1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: Welcome to America's, Mr garbutsch Off. Tear down this wall. 2 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 1: Either you're with us or you were with the terrorists. 3 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 1: If you've got healthcare already, then you can keep your plan. 4 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:16,480 Speaker 1: If you're satisfied with is not anmity, President of the 5 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:20,079 Speaker 1: United States, take it to a bank. Together, we will 6 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:26,600 Speaker 1: make America great again. We'll never sharend It's what you've 7 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: been waiting for all day. But Sexton with America now 8 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:34,279 Speaker 1: joined the conversation called buck toll free at eight four 9 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 1: four nine hundred buck. That's eight four four nine hundred 10 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 1: to eight to five. Sharp mind, strong voice. But Sexton, 11 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: welcome to the Freedom Hut. Everybody, Thank you so much 12 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: for hanging out. Great to have you here. A lot 13 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: to get through, a lot to talk about today, much 14 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 1: going on in the news cycle. Of course, we have 15 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: the Gorseitch hearing. We will dive together deeply to do 16 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 1: a deep dive. I guess that's another way of saying 17 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:17,839 Speaker 1: the same thing. We'll get into that. We will also, hopefully, 18 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: depends on how it all goes, we make it. We'll 19 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 1: get into Obamacare and the simmering GOP revolt from within Obamacare, 20 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:30,040 Speaker 1: and we will also talk a bit about the travel ban, 21 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:34,759 Speaker 1: updating on that Russian fake news, maybe even some climate change. 22 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: Got a very packed show with you today. Let's get 23 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 1: into it with Gorseitch though first, because this is the 24 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:45,399 Speaker 1: big show. Journalists love this stuff. They get to watch 25 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: for hours and hours on end while various political figures 26 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 1: grand stand. They pretend that this is all necessary, of 27 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 1: course for the people. They pretend that this is all 28 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 1: to our benefit, meant to make things more clear for 29 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: us on who the next Supreme Court nominee or who 30 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 1: the nex Supreme Court justice rather is going to be. 31 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: So you're you can expect that there will be a 32 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 1: lot of grandstad and you can expect and of course 33 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:15,920 Speaker 1: we saw that today to get a window into the 34 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:20,679 Speaker 1: mind of the Democrats and how they view judicial philosophy, 35 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 1: how they view the role of the Supreme Court. And 36 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 1: it is illuminating, to say the least. You see the 37 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 1: the central struggle is central planning. That's what you have 38 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 1: to keep in mind here. That is the central struggle 39 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:38,239 Speaker 1: within our government right now. That is the main battle 40 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:44,359 Speaker 1: ground between the two parties. Democrats view the judiciary as 41 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 1: a very useful part of central planning. As in smart 42 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: people get to make the so called smart people. In 43 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 1: some cases they are, in some cases they're not. They 44 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: get to make the decisions for you. They get to 45 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: tell you how to live your life, what the long is, 46 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 1: what you're allowed to do, where your liberties start and stop. 47 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 1: That's all determined by a bunch of judges in some cases, 48 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 1: a bunch of judges in d C. So you have 49 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 1: this guy gor Sich, Colorado, tenth Circuit judge, and he 50 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 1: should be a very straightforward choice. There's nothing that is 51 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:27,959 Speaker 1: surprising here at all. The guy is universally considered brilliant. 52 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 1: He is universally considered to be a really decent and 53 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 1: honorable human being. Democrats are looking for a way to 54 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: oppose him, although I wonder the end of the day, 55 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: unless there's something they can come up with that's really damning, 56 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: you'll just end up with somebody else from Trump's list 57 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 1: of the judges. Right, the president has to nominate in 58 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: the Senate has to confirm, and we're told, of course 59 00:03:57,560 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: that also has to it's going to require sixty votes, 60 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 1: So some democo crats are going to come along here. Um, 61 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: that would be necessary. But I think that from the 62 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: interactions today that you saw you recognize a few things. 63 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 1: First of all, democrats love class warfare, very useful to them. 64 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 1: And this comes up in the criticism against Corsets. They'll say, 65 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 1: I read this was the New York Times subscribing Corsets 66 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 1: that he has quote a cold and literal reading of 67 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:35,839 Speaker 1: the law and skewed toward business interests. Isn't What is 68 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 1: the difference between a cold and literal reading of the 69 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:43,279 Speaker 1: law and just reading the law. This also then begs 70 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 1: the question if judicial philosophy is not based in originalism 71 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: when we're talking about the Constitution, it's not based in 72 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:53,799 Speaker 1: a literal reading of the law. What is it based 73 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: in what you like, what you want, what you would 74 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: hope the policy outcome of any given case. Maybe if 75 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: that is in fact where we are all, Um, if 76 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 1: that is in fact, where we're all going to be 77 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 1: putting our our sway, if we're gonna be making choices 78 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 1: and putting ourselves and positions where judges are able to 79 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:24,159 Speaker 1: just do what they want. Um, what's the purpose of 80 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 1: having a law in the first place. Why not just 81 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: leave it to somebody sitting on the bed to make 82 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: the determination as he or she sees fit. I don't 83 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:34,359 Speaker 1: even have to be tethered to the law. Now, I 84 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:37,280 Speaker 1: know you'd say, well, that's kind of extreme, But when 85 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 1: you hear, for example, what is it a senator, I 86 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:46,280 Speaker 1: believe with Senator feine Stein who was talking about philosophy, 87 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 1: and she says it should not simply that one should 88 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:54,280 Speaker 1: not simply evaluate legalistic theories. Let's play, Senator fine Stein. 89 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: I am concerned when I hear that Judge Gorsi is 90 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 1: an originalist who sits on the Supreme Court should not 91 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:09,919 Speaker 1: simply evaluate legalistic theories. They must understand the court's decision 92 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: have real world consequences. No, I'm pretty sure that the 93 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 1: judge's job is is in fact to evaluate legalistic theories. 94 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:22,919 Speaker 1: If that is not a judge's job, I'm going to 95 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: need someone to come up with a sensible explanation of it, 96 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 1: and I wonder what that will sound like. But this 97 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 1: is this is very instructive. It's a lot of hearings, 98 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:38,160 Speaker 1: questions back and forth the senators, and it is mostly 99 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 1: political theater. But it's instructive to see what the Democrats 100 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 1: on any given issue, what they say, what they believe, 101 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 1: what they hold up as their judicial philosophy. They will 102 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 1: tear down originalism. Here you have Diane Feinstein saying it's 103 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:58,039 Speaker 1: it's not just about evaluating legalistic theories. No, I think 104 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:01,919 Speaker 1: that it is. And a lot of the problems that 105 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 1: we have seen with the overt politicization of the court, 106 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: a lot of the problems that we've seen coming from 107 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: this are the result of Democrats pushing for policies that 108 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 1: they want and doing so as judges, not as legislators. Well, 109 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:24,559 Speaker 1: this has been long standing. Now we've seen this playing 110 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 1: out before our very eyes. And you also get a 111 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 1: sense of and but I brought up the class warfare 112 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: is tue because that's where they're coming after Gorsts. They're 113 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 1: saying that he quote harbors a right wing pro corporate 114 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: special interest agenda. I believe that was Chuck Schumer making 115 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: that claim right wing pro corporate special interest in Jenna. 116 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 1: So they're trying to say that he's in the pocket 117 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 1: of rich people. Um and there. Any time they can 118 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 1: exacerbate a class divide or they can make inequality the 119 00:07:56,520 --> 00:08:00,040 Speaker 1: centerpiece of the discussion, Democrats feel like they've been to 120 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 1: fit from it because they are the ones who are 121 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 1: constantly talking about also fixing social justice issues, fixing inequality, 122 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 1: fixing these things. How do you fix it? Well, of 123 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 1: course you need to just give the government more authority. 124 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 1: You give the government more power, and they will fix 125 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 1: it for you. And in this case, the way the 126 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 1: government has more powers judges having more power, judges become instruments, 127 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 1: they become tools of social justice, they become tools for 128 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 1: fixing inequality. That is how the Democrats view it. It 129 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: is in the Republican judicial philosophy, or the judicial philosophy 130 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: supported by Republicans, that they admit that there will be 131 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 1: moments when a judge accurately applies the law and the 132 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:45,560 Speaker 1: out and they and they do not like the outcome. 133 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 1: Democrats don't really adhere to that. They want an outcome 134 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 1: for them, the end justifies the means. And if that 135 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:56,680 Speaker 1: in this case means that a judge has to take 136 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 1: the plain meaning of the law and pretend that it's 137 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:03,199 Speaker 1: not they're pretend that it's not obvious, they will do that. 138 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: Judges will do that. And perhaps no better place have 139 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 1: you seen this than on the issue of Roe v. Wade, 140 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 1: which always comes up in these hearings. And it's just 141 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: it's just a preposterous political game that you've got Democrats 142 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: playing here, because they'll say, well, don't you let let's 143 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 1: go over the precedence. What do you think do you 144 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: think this was rightly wrong? They decided, And a savvy 145 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 1: judge like Gorseitch will respond, well, I'm not going I 146 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 1: don't want to make any promises here. This is not 147 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 1: about politics. That was really the theme of the day 148 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: for Gorset. It's not about politics. A judge is not 149 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 1: supposed to be a political actor in a black robe 150 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: up on a bench who's just dictating. That's not how 151 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 1: this is supposed to work. For Democrats, it really is. 152 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 1: And their fear is that somebody who doesn't take that philosophy, 153 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 1: of course, is not going to do what they want, 154 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: and so they'd rather not have somebody like that in 155 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: the very powerful position of being a supreme or justice 156 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 1: for life. Um so they will ask, for example about 157 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 1: Roe v. Wade. In fact, I believe the term super 158 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 1: precedent was even which is not a thing. There's no 159 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 1: such thing as a super president. I think that was 160 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 1: also fine Stein, Senator fine Stein. And there's just precedent. 161 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 1: Their starry decisive there is some uh weight given, some 162 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 1: leeway given to previous decisions, and that is as far 163 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 1: as it goes, because the moment they say, well, how 164 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: could you this is already decided or this is they 165 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 1: start to play this game of what's settled law and 166 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 1: what's not settled law. Any decision is open to being overturned. 167 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 1: Now that doesn't mean that judges should do that wantonly 168 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: and excessively. But I could sit here and we could 169 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 1: talk about any number of cases right and dread Scott 170 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: plus e versus Ferguson. You look at cases that we're 171 00:10:55,480 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 1: poorly decided, and eventually the Supper Court overturn those decisions. 172 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 1: So just because it was done at one point doesn't 173 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 1: mean it is done forever. And Democrats like to play 174 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 1: this game, well, on these issues, it is done forever, 175 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 1: while we know that's not really true. If there is 176 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 1: a legal reasoning, a legal rationale for overturning a previous 177 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:22,599 Speaker 1: decision that is sound, that is constitutional, then it is 178 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 1: in fact incumbent upon the Supreme Court to overturn previous 179 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 1: poor decisions. But as much as anything else, this is 180 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 1: just an opportunity for various elected officials to stand up 181 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 1: in front of the American people and take a position 182 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 1: that allows them to show what this is like virtue 183 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 1: signaling on national TV. This is establishing for all those 184 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 1: watching how important they view wrote to be, how important 185 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 1: they view different decisions that are at the heart of 186 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 1: progressive ideology these days. Right, These are wedge issues, These 187 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:01,319 Speaker 1: are polarizing issues. There are places where pe well differentiate 188 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 1: themselves from the political other, Roe being a particularly clear 189 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: example of that. You got Gorsts for example, asked specifically 190 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 1: about Roe v. Wade, and this is what he said, 191 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: forty one. Had you ever met President Trump personally? Not 192 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 1: until my interview. In that interview, did he ever ask 193 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 1: you to overrule Roe v Wade? No, Center, What would 194 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 1: he have done if he If he had asked Center, 195 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 1: I would have walked out the door. It's not what 196 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 1: judges do, Okay. I don't do it at that end 197 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: of Pennsylvania Avenue, and they shouldn't do it at this 198 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:43,560 Speaker 1: end either. Respectfully, Gorstch is saying exactly what I would 199 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: want to judge to say in these situations. Now, I 200 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 1: do also believe that there's a bit of gamesmanship at 201 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 1: work here, and if that is the case, then I'm 202 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 1: also all right with it, because I'd rather have an 203 00:12:56,280 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 1: I believe in an originalist is the only legitimate interpretation 204 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 1: of the Constitution that you look at the words, you 205 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 1: look at the intent, you look at what is written there, 206 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:08,320 Speaker 1: what and you look at precedent, sure as well, but 207 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 1: you try to figure out what the intent of the 208 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:13,960 Speaker 1: founding was, what these words meant in their time, and 209 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: you go from there. Otherwise you're you're unmoored from any 210 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 1: real judicial philosophy other than I want it should be, 211 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: and therefore I will make it so. That's dictatorial, that's 212 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 1: not judicial philosophy. That's putting far too much power, far 213 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 1: too much of a central planning vibe, into the hands 214 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 1: of these judges. But of course it's back to the 215 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:43,680 Speaker 1: gamesmanship point. If he's being a bit savvy here, maybe 216 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 1: even a bit sly by making sure the Democrats can't 217 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 1: hammer him on any of this, I'm fine with that, 218 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 1: just as I said before. If his calling out Donald 219 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 1: Trump on Trump calling out judges some weeks ago, if 220 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 1: that's helpful, the Gorst's fine. I yeah, whatever's gonna help 221 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: him get through this. He's being put through a lot, 222 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 1: and I think a lot of individuals who are watching 223 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 1: this and seeing how an esteemed jurist and esteemed member 224 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 1: of the federal judiciary already, who was voted unanimously into 225 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: his current pition. And I do think sure maybe an 226 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: additional scrutiny is wanted for the Supreme Court. You can 227 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: certainly make that case. But you can't go from a 228 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 1: hundred of senators think you're great for a lifetime appointment 229 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 1: to the federal bench, but then almost half of them 230 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 1: are like, you know, this guy's got big problems. We 231 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 1: can't have him as a Supreme No, sorry, don't buy it. 232 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 1: So the Democrats already are in a very difficult place. 233 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 1: There's no way for them to make their case without 234 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 1: looking hypocritical, without looking like they lack principles, because they do. Um. 235 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 1: But we'll get into Gorse such a bit more. And 236 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: also I want to talk to you about some legal issues, 237 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 1: including the status of the travel band. We gotta talk 238 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 1: about the Obamacare fight and a jam pack show. Everybody, 239 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 1: Thank you very much for hanging out with me in 240 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 1: the Freedom Hut. We got much more common eight four 241 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 1: to eight to five, Buck, I will be right back. 242 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 1: So there's really two different ways you can look at 243 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 1: judicial philosophy here in the context of the Gore six nomination. Well, 244 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 1: it's it's big steaks for Democrats. They get it right, 245 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 1: it's four or four right now. If it goes five four, 246 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 1: they view it as even though Kennedy, I mean, come on, 247 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: conservative really, but they view it as a blow to 248 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: their last line of well, there's the media, there's the bureaucracy, 249 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 1: but their last very effective and immediate line of defense 250 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 1: against a Trump administration, against the Republican agenda with the judges, judges, 251 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 1: I could give you some stats and maybe I will 252 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 1: later on the show, about how effective the Obama aministration 253 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 1: was in packing the federal courts with judges. I think 254 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 1: about a third. I think about a third of sitting judges, 255 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 1: and I'll let's scope out the numbers in the break. 256 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 1: We're Obama appointees in one way or another. Um. But 257 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 1: you have Gorst on the one hand saying that there's 258 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 1: nothing to do that that your views, personal views have 259 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 1: nothing to do with being a good judge. If I 260 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 1: ask you to tell me whether Heller was rightly decided, 261 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 1: could you answer that question for me Center, I'd respectfully 262 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 1: respond that it is a precedent of the United States 263 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 1: Supreme Court. You don't approach that question anew as if 264 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 1: it had never been decided that would be a wrong 265 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 1: way to approach it. My personal views, I'd also tell you, 266 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 1: Mr Chairman, belong over here. I leave those at home. 267 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 1: Mr Kotchell yesterday said that what he wants is a 268 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: fair judge. That's what I wanted as a lawyer. Democrats 269 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 1: don't like this. They don't like that kind of talk 270 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 1: about leaving your politics out of it. You gotta have 271 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 1: their politics and you've got to institute them from the bench. 272 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: So you can take the Gorcitch, the Harvard Law federal 273 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 1: judge with a record of tremendous uh well, tremendous integrity. 274 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:13,159 Speaker 1: Or you could looked at Cosmopolitan. Everybody if something you 275 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:17,200 Speaker 1: like Casapoon was Cosopolitan magazine, which usually on its front 276 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 1: cover has you know, nine shades of lipstick for the summer, 277 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 1: which is cool, which is fine. I'm not saying that 278 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:26,120 Speaker 1: there shouldn't be a magazine that tells you that. But 279 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 1: Cosmo today put out a piece nine reasons constitutional originalism 280 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:34,399 Speaker 1: is and then they have a bad b S. They 281 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:39,639 Speaker 1: have a bad word. Um, nine reasons constitutional originalism is 282 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 1: BS and they go into it and they right. The 283 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: first one is nobody, no one Israeli and originalist. This 284 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 1: isn't Cosopolitan. Uh not even Scalia, who decided plenty of 285 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:56,360 Speaker 1: cases according to his own whims and opinions, is an originalist. 286 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:59,919 Speaker 1: And they go, they go, this is constitutional and non 287 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:06,360 Speaker 1: palysis by Cosmopolitan magazine. Everyone. I'm just putting it out there. 288 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 1: This is another The Democrats, you know, kind of take 289 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 1: some of these points of view on this. So I 290 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 1: figured we could just get right to it. Cosmos like 291 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 1: totally like just wants to do constitutional analysis. Uh So, 292 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 1: for example, they write, this is a quote from their 293 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 1: peace Until recently, judges generally interpreted the Second Amendment according 294 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:31,440 Speaker 1: to the same narrow interpretation. The Second Amendment doesn't give 295 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: individuals the right to bear arms, but provides the right 296 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 1: of militias. Wait, where's the part I'm trying to get 297 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 1: to it about handguns? Oh? Here we go quote of course. 298 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 1: Uh nor did these semi automatic handguns at issue in 299 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:47,199 Speaker 1: the Heller case exist in the eighteenth century? Mind, I 300 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 1: saw this earlier the day it just said handguns. Originally 301 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 1: they must have added in semi automatic, is my understanding, 302 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 1: although I need to check on that, But so now 303 00:18:56,400 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: it's semi there were handguns at the time of the Foundings. 304 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 1: So now it's like how how fast the handgun fires? 305 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 1: When every time you depress the trigger, that's whether or 306 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:09,400 Speaker 1: not it counts or so you can go to Cosmo 307 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 1: for your analysisde The problem is that the analysis you 308 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:17,119 Speaker 1: get from Cosmo magazine is not very different from what 309 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:20,159 Speaker 1: you're hearing from a lot of the Democrats senators that 310 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 1: are trying to grill corsets. So um, yeah, that's important 311 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: to keep in mind here as we get closer to 312 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:32,119 Speaker 1: voting and the fight, the battle over who will be 313 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 1: the ninth Supreme Court justice intensifies and intensifies with venom 314 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 1: more coming. He's an ex CIA officer who knows how 315 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 1: to outsmart the enemies of liberty. What I do have 316 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:56,719 Speaker 1: very particular set of skills, Buck Sexton with America now team, 317 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 1: your mission, should you choose to accept it, called the 318 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 1: Freedom on Operations Center nine hundred, Buck, make contact unless 319 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 1: you're under hostile surveillance nine two, eight to five. This 320 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:15,919 Speaker 1: is amazing, everybody. I did check in the break and 321 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:20,160 Speaker 1: like the Cosmopolitan piece on like how originalism it's just 322 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: like total b s. It's such bus Um. I looked 323 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 1: at it and in fact they did change. They did 324 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 1: change the original piece because I read it earlier today 325 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 1: and I remember reading no handguns in the eighteenth century. 326 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:37,399 Speaker 1: Have they never watched Pirates of the Caribbean or anything, 327 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, have they never seen 328 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:40,879 Speaker 1: any years old where they go where the pirates have 329 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 1: the old flint lock pistol or I mean that's even 330 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 1: some well some cases it's if we're gonna be clear, 331 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 1: that would be seventeenth century, but eighteen centuries, eighteenth century 332 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:51,479 Speaker 1: as well. Um. But then they changed it to make 333 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:54,959 Speaker 1: semi automatic handguns. But like originally they were like no handguns, 334 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 1: so like handguns are really bad, but okay, like I 335 00:20:57,920 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 1: had to make it semi automatic hanks. So they did change. 336 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 1: And I wasn't crazy, of course I was right. And 337 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:04,159 Speaker 1: I just want to put that out there so you 338 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:06,119 Speaker 1: can take the gorcerch side of the law means what 339 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 1: the law says. Originalism is a judicial philosophy that is 340 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 1: well rooted in a philosophical basis for judges not just 341 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 1: interpreting things as they see fit based upon their whims 342 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:20,159 Speaker 1: or there's whatever else the liberals come up with on 343 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 1: any given day, like oh my gosh, like handgun stunning test. 344 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 1: But let's get into this with an expert on all 345 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:29,919 Speaker 1: things judiciary or joined by Hans von Spakovsky. He's a 346 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:33,399 Speaker 1: senior legal fellow at the Heritage Foundation, former FEC commissioner, 347 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 1: and d o J lawyer. He's also author of the 348 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 1: book Obama's Enforcer, Eric Holder's Justice Department. Hans, great to 349 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:43,640 Speaker 1: have you, well, thanks for having me on. I appreciate it. Uh. 350 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,640 Speaker 1: I mean, look, the hearings go on for hours and hours, 351 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:48,959 Speaker 1: and unless you're a Capital Hill report, I think at 352 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 1: some point you decide, you know, I'm gonna get lunch. 353 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 1: I've had enough. But what were your what were your 354 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 1: main takeaways from this today? Gorstch is from everything that 355 00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:00,880 Speaker 1: I can see. You know, gorc is a ninth degree 356 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,159 Speaker 1: constitutional black belt and he can handle all this stuff. 357 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:07,360 Speaker 1: But what did you see? I saw the same thing. 358 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:11,840 Speaker 1: And he literally ran rings around these senators who were 359 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:16,199 Speaker 1: trying to ask him all these complex questions, hoping to 360 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:19,120 Speaker 1: hoping to get him. And it was very clear that 361 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:22,920 Speaker 1: people like Diane Feinstein, for example, are so ignorant of 362 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:27,200 Speaker 1: the law that she really didn't understand the question she's asking. Yeah, 363 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 1: was she she asked about did she asked about. She 364 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 1: was the one who asked about the super precedent, right, yes, yeah, 365 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:34,639 Speaker 1: which is a new thing. So I give her credit 366 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:36,920 Speaker 1: for creativity, but I had never come across that before. 367 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:38,879 Speaker 1: The super precedent not to be confused with the normal 368 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 1: judicial precedent. Yeah, but listen, that's typical. Uh, Listen. I 369 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 1: actually had a confirmation hearing about ten years ago in 370 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 1: front of her for the Federal Election Commission, and she 371 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 1: also back then tried asking me these complex legal questions 372 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 1: because I was working at the Justice Harmon and the 373 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,640 Speaker 1: questions had obviously been fed to her by her staff. 374 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 1: Because she clearly didn't understand what she was asking me. 375 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 1: And when I answered her question, I gave her very 376 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 1: very long answer explaining a law to her. She clearly 377 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: didn't understand what I told her either. What do you 378 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 1: think the purpose? What are the Democrats that are on 379 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,119 Speaker 1: the because the Republicans were asking pretty straightforward questions that 380 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:24,919 Speaker 1: we would expect them to ask. And I'm not going 381 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,400 Speaker 1: to pretend they're not kinder and more favorable to gor 382 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 1: which of course they are. Okay, fine, but what do 383 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 1: democrats really think they're going to get when they push 384 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:37,640 Speaker 1: on Oh, that case that you decided about the trucker. 385 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 1: You know that that that doesn't show that gorste hates 386 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 1: puppies and his and his evil You know, like, well, 387 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 1: why are they why are they trying to dig into 388 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 1: some of these more obscure cases, just because they're trying 389 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 1: to create this narrative that he's he's a friend to 390 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 1: rich people, are not nice to workers. Yes, you've got 391 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 1: to remember this really isn't about Gorsage and what he 392 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 1: really believes. But I think this is a show trial. 393 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 1: And by a show trial, what I mean is that, um, 394 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 1: look all the all the groups that support these Democratic senators, 395 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 1: you know, all the advocacy groups that have huge amounts 396 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 1: of money behind them. These are the ones who helped 397 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,399 Speaker 1: get out the vote for them, who feed them money 398 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:21,919 Speaker 1: into their campaigns. They are all suffering from Trump derangement 399 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,919 Speaker 1: syndrome of a kind that's much worse than when George 400 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 1: Bush was the president. They want these elected Democrats to 401 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:33,639 Speaker 1: oppose absolutely everything Trump is doing, and so these Democrats 402 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:37,920 Speaker 1: centers are trying to be as nasty as possible, asking 403 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,920 Speaker 1: these what they think are tough questions because they want 404 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,879 Speaker 1: to then be able to say to their supporters. See, 405 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 1: we we gave him a hard time. Yeah, we couldn't 406 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 1: stop him from getting confirmed. Republicans control the Senate, but 407 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 1: we gave him a hard time. That's what's it's that's 408 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 1: what's really going on here. It's a show trial, Yeah, 409 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 1: it's and it's virtue signaling for the Senate Democrats and 410 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,360 Speaker 1: also giving a little a little love to their special 411 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 1: interests in their base in the process. Right, I think 412 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 1: at the grand standard, tell, but can can you walk 413 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,240 Speaker 1: us through just as a process question here, because you 414 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:09,439 Speaker 1: have a bunch of Democrats, Uh, Senator Richard Richard Durbin, 415 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 1: Senate Minority Chuck Schumer. Uh, they're out there saying that 416 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 1: there's a sixty vote standard. That's not true strictly speaking, right, 417 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 1: I mean, you would need sixty votes to for a 418 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:27,119 Speaker 1: cloture vote to override a filibuster, but you don't technically 419 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 1: need sixty votes for Supreme You only need that if 420 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 1: a filibuster is invoked in this case. Right, How does 421 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 1: that whole process work? Now? That's exactly right. Um, a 422 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:41,119 Speaker 1: filibuster once, once a nominee is on the floor of 423 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:44,920 Speaker 1: the Senate, then the Senate has opened up for debate 424 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:50,639 Speaker 1: about his nomination. And one way to try to delay 425 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:54,439 Speaker 1: a vote is to basically keep talking. And that's what 426 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:58,919 Speaker 1: a filibuster is. And it does take sixty votes to 427 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,639 Speaker 1: end the bait so that you can have a vote. 428 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,959 Speaker 1: You can't have a vote actually before the Senate until 429 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,399 Speaker 1: everybody has agreed to debate will and and that's what 430 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 1: a filibuster is, as an attempt to keep the debate 431 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 1: going um so that there can be no vote. And 432 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 1: it is true. Look, Harry Reid actually broke the filibuster 433 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 1: for lower lower court nominees, right, That's how they stacked. 434 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 1: Isn't about a third of the federal judiciary or Obama 435 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:32,440 Speaker 1: appointees now is my understanding? Yeah? Close? Okay, even higher 436 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,639 Speaker 1: than a third, yeah yeah. And that's why we're getting 437 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 1: a lot of these bad decisions. For example, on Trump's 438 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 1: uh executive order on on travel. You know, the the 439 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:49,119 Speaker 1: judge out in Hawaii who issued the injunction was an 440 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:53,119 Speaker 1: Obama pointee. The judge in Maryland who last week issued 441 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 1: injunction against the travel band was also an Obama pointee. 442 00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 1: So in essence, Roack Obama may be gone, but his 443 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 1: political appointees are still in office in the judiciary, causing 444 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 1: all kinds of problems, and they could always change there. 445 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 1: They did change it for lower court nominees. The Republicans 446 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:15,920 Speaker 1: have the majority in the Senate, So if they really 447 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 1: wanted to, couldn't they change Senate rules such that they 448 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 1: would be able to get through that they'd be able 449 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 1: to get rid of the filibuster even for Supreme Court nominees. 450 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 1: I'm not saying they would do this, but they could 451 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 1: do that, couldn't they. Oh, listen, Senator McConnell has already 452 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 1: threatened to do that. McConnell has said that he wants 453 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,480 Speaker 1: to get Corsage confirmed by early April, which is coming 454 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 1: up on us fast, and he has pretty much said 455 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 1: directly that if the Democrats try a filibuster, uh, he 456 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:51,120 Speaker 1: may exercise the nuclear option and complete what Harry Reid did. 457 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,639 Speaker 1: And I gotta tell you, I don't think that's gonna 458 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,640 Speaker 1: happen for this reason. I think the Democrats are making 459 00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,879 Speaker 1: a lot of noise right now, but I think in 460 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 1: the end they are not going to push a filibuster 461 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 1: for this reason. Look, right now, we're in essence placing 462 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 1: a replacing a conservative justice Scalia with another conservative If 463 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 1: the filibuster gets busted, now, the Democrats are going to 464 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 1: be in a whole hurt of trouble when, as it's 465 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 1: highly likely a year from now, two years from now, 466 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:26,199 Speaker 1: three years from now, Trump gets another replacement pick on 467 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court, because it's highly likely that the next 468 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 1: one may be one of the liberal justices on the court, 469 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 1: And if the Democrats have busted the filibuster on this nomination, 470 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,160 Speaker 1: then Trump will be able to ease in whoever he 471 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 1: wants without a big fight. Do you think you think 472 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 1: Gorcitch gets through at the end of this Yes, I 473 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 1: think the Democrats put on a big show, but they 474 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 1: don't want the filibuster rule busted because they're really worried 475 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 1: about the next Supreme Court pick, not this one. Now, 476 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,959 Speaker 1: let's turn our attention for a second to the latest 477 00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 1: on Trump's immigration executive order. I keep trying to stay 478 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 1: away from calling it a travel battle. I know everyone 479 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 1: in the media for the most part is referring to 480 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 1: do is that it's not a ban. It does not 481 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 1: ban all travel, um. But what is the legal status 482 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 1: of it right now? There's been some there's been some 483 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 1: movement the last couple of days Uh, well, as you know, 484 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 1: we had injunctions issued by these judges in Hawaii and Maryland, 485 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 1: and I suspect what's going to happen is there's going 486 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:29,720 Speaker 1: to be emergency appeals filed by the Justice Department with 487 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 1: the Courts of Appeal. I don't think they're going to 488 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 1: get any different decision from the Courts of Appeal, particularly 489 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 1: the Ninth Circuit, which as you know, is one of 490 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 1: the most liberal courts in the country. Um, and then 491 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 1: they're going to do an emergency appeal to the U. S. 492 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 1: Supreme Court. I think they're going to try to time 493 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 1: things so the data appeal doesn't get to the U. S. 494 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 1: Supreme Court until Gorsa has been confirmed to the Court, 495 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 1: so probably sometime in April, and the the decision from 496 00:29:56,120 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 1: the judge judge out in Hawaii that has has been 497 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 1: uh Derrek Watson, that's been that's been out there, that 498 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 1: started a lot of this is that is there any 499 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 1: way you think that that survives if it goes all 500 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 1: the way up to the Supreme Court. Now, if the 501 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 1: Supreme Court um follows the law, they'll basically end all 502 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 1: of this nonsense. And uh, what was little noticed was 503 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 1: that last week At almost the same time for the 504 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 1: Lion Judge issues this decision, there was this great descent 505 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 1: filed in the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals by five 506 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 1: of the best conservative judges in the Ninth Circuit, and 507 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 1: in thirty pages they basically laid out why everything that 508 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:43,480 Speaker 1: the president has done is legal. It's not any different 509 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 1: than what past presidents have done, and what these current 510 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 1: judges are doing have violates case after case after case 511 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 1: of prior decisions by the U. S. Supreme Court, which 512 00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 1: is basically said, the government's got almost exclusive power to 513 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 1: decide when they are not going to let aliens into 514 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 1: the country, and and that is established law, and all 515 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 1: these current courts they're just ignoring that. So so this 516 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 1: gets the Supreme Court and they follow prior precedent, Trump's 517 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 1: gonna win. Based on Judge Watson's reasoning here, is it 518 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 1: fair to say that one could assert that if Obama 519 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 1: had done what Trump has done here, it would be 520 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 1: considered by Judge Watson or by other judges who take 521 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 1: the same approach to be okay. Because it is in 522 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 1: fact Trump as a as a person, as a human 523 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:38,880 Speaker 1: being that invalidates because of his supposed animus to Muslims 524 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 1: that invalidates his executive authority here. Yeah, and that's what 525 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 1: is so crazy, really bizarre about their rulings. Look, if 526 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:52,080 Speaker 1: commerce passes a law and a court looks at it, 527 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 1: they're supposed to look at the text of the law 528 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 1: and whether it's it's constitutional. Um that whether or not 529 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 1: that law is institutional doesn't change based on the debate 530 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:08,040 Speaker 1: that had occurred on the floor of Congress. A law 531 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:12,240 Speaker 1: can't be constitutional if passed by one Congress, but not 532 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 1: constitutional I passed by another car same thing with an 533 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 1: executive order the president, if it's constitutional on its face, 534 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 1: and this order clearly is, the very same order can't 535 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 1: suddenly be unconstitutional because it's signed by some of the president. 536 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,720 Speaker 1: That that's not the way our legal system works. Hans 537 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 1: von Spakowski is a senior legal fell at the Heritage Foundation. 538 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 1: He's the author of Obama's Enforcer, Eric Holder's Justice Department. Hans, 539 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 1: great to have you. Thanks for sharing your expertise or 540 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 1: we appreciate it. Sure anytime, I gonna hit a break 541 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 1: here in the second team eight four four nine hundred 542 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 1: to eight to five eight four four nine hundred buck, 543 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 1: We'll be back in just a few because I like 544 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,280 Speaker 1: to give you all of the necessary facts here. I 545 00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,200 Speaker 1: said that we heard before I said over a third word, 546 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,560 Speaker 1: or at least a third. Obama has appointed three hundred 547 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,480 Speaker 1: or Obama had appointed by the end of his term 548 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 1: three hundred and twenty nine judges to lifetime jobs, which 549 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 1: is over a third of the judiciary. So when you 550 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 1: talking about the lasting Obama legacy, the judiciary is among 551 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,280 Speaker 1: the most will be among the most long lasting, and 552 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:27,480 Speaker 1: is right now the most profound impediment to the Republican 553 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 1: and Trump agenda. And we will talk, by the way, 554 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 1: about those agendas and where they coincide and when they diverge, 555 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 1: when they're where they diverge on healthcare and just a 556 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,479 Speaker 1: few minutes, but I wanted to I had mentioned some 557 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,959 Speaker 1: sound some clips to you before moments from the hearing 558 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:51,240 Speaker 1: earlier day with gorcum including we have the alf Al 559 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:55,520 Speaker 1: Franken talking about let's let's let's play that one. First, 560 00:33:55,560 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 1: Al Franken pushing Gorcitch on the Trucker case, Go, how 561 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 1: do you think Merrick Garland was treated by the Center 562 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:07,640 Speaker 1: Since I became a judge, talking about I have a 563 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:11,759 Speaker 1: canon of ethics that precludes me from getting involved in 564 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,160 Speaker 1: any way, shape or form in politics. There the reason 565 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 1: why judges don't clap at the state of the Union 566 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,680 Speaker 1: and why I can't even attend a political caucus in 567 00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,400 Speaker 1: my home state to register a vote in the equivalent 568 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,120 Speaker 1: of a primary. Okay, but I don't think that this 569 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:31,880 Speaker 1: is is you have to state your political views. That's 570 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:35,320 Speaker 1: not what this is about. How a Supreme Court justice 571 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,399 Speaker 1: who was nominated by the President of the United States, 572 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:43,600 Speaker 1: Just like in the Constitution, I think you're allowed to 573 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:47,239 Speaker 1: talk about what happens to the last guy it was 574 00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:51,360 Speaker 1: nominated in your position. You're allowed to say something without 575 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:56,360 Speaker 1: being about getting involved in politics. You can express an 576 00:34:56,440 --> 00:35:00,400 Speaker 1: opinion on this center. I appreciate the invitation, but I 577 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,840 Speaker 1: know the other side has their views of this, and 578 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,399 Speaker 1: you your site has your views of it. That by 579 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:11,959 Speaker 1: definition is politics. I like it. Corsosh holding them off. 580 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,200 Speaker 1: You know, you got what does Merrick Garland have to 581 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,720 Speaker 1: do about anything? Oh, that's right, because for a few months, 582 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:20,760 Speaker 1: political journalists in d C. We're acting like every every 583 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:24,960 Speaker 1: water tower, every you know, every school billboard outs out 584 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,279 Speaker 1: in front of every church across and every small town 585 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,320 Speaker 1: across the country. They just had you know where's Merrick? 586 00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:34,240 Speaker 1: Save Merrick? We need Merrick. Like no one cared about 587 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,960 Speaker 1: this other than Democrats are looking for stories to write 588 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:42,759 Speaker 1: about Republican obstructionism. We still have to hear about Merrick Garland. Um. Yeah. 589 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,200 Speaker 1: It stings for Democrats because they figured Hillary would win 590 00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:48,920 Speaker 1: and then they could give us the second coming of 591 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:55,400 Speaker 1: Justice Ginsburg or so do mayor or um one of those, right. 592 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,959 Speaker 1: They thought they could give us a clear left progressive 593 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:04,600 Speaker 1: dickt hate from the bench judge, and instead they got Gorsets, 594 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,040 Speaker 1: who's doing an excellent job. Oh and we have also 595 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:12,920 Speaker 1: Diane Feinstein on super precedent. Play that one other question. 596 00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:20,840 Speaker 1: Do you view Row as having super precedent? Senator a 597 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:25,320 Speaker 1: super precedent? Is it in numbers? It has been reaffirmed 598 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:30,359 Speaker 1: many times. I can say that yes, yes, dozens, Yeah, 599 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,719 Speaker 1: fine Stein. They're wanting everybody to know that she's come 600 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:35,640 Speaker 1: up with a term that it is not a part 601 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:39,239 Speaker 1: of our judicial philosophy lexicon. But you know, she she 602 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:40,880 Speaker 1: wanted to make her point and so she did. But 603 00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,880 Speaker 1: I remembered hearing that earlier today and being like, really 604 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,320 Speaker 1: that's a that's a new one. And I think Corset 605 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:51,880 Speaker 1: handled that one pretty well, all things considered, they're not 606 00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,080 Speaker 1: gonna be able to do much more than what they 607 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,319 Speaker 1: did today, which is just a lot of grundstanding. But 608 00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:00,359 Speaker 1: I want to move us on to healthcare because is 609 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,880 Speaker 1: I'm still and this is gonna be a return to 610 00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:09,000 Speaker 1: our conversation about central planning. I'm still not sold on 611 00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:10,920 Speaker 1: this GOP bill. So we're gonna talk about that in 612 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:16,200 Speaker 1: the next hour. And um, we're gonna be getting into 613 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:20,160 Speaker 1: all of the pressure that's being brought to bear on 614 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:24,960 Speaker 1: members of the House by from what we read, the 615 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:30,680 Speaker 1: administration saying that they better go along with this or 616 00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:34,160 Speaker 1: else they may get primaried. Uh. This shouldn't be a 617 00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:39,600 Speaker 1: case where Republicans have to be pressured by fellow Republicans 618 00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:43,360 Speaker 1: or by the Republican president in the White House to 619 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,320 Speaker 1: go along. This should be obvious, it should be clear, 620 00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,359 Speaker 1: and it is not. It is not to me. I've 621 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:50,920 Speaker 1: been saying this to you all along, and not just 622 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,640 Speaker 1: because I want to stand around and be like, oh, 623 00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:57,080 Speaker 1: I'm the most I'm the most free market the purist 624 00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:01,200 Speaker 1: of the free marketeers. On healthcare, it's just not very good. 625 00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:05,000 Speaker 1: But I'm seeing it doesn't tackle the fundamental problems of Obama. 626 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:09,319 Speaker 1: It Look, it doesn't repeal Obamacare, so you gotta start there, 627 00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:17,560 Speaker 1: Buck Sexton with America. Now the Freedom Hut is fired 628 00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:21,640 Speaker 1: up as team Buck as symbols shouldered as shoulder shields. 629 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:26,160 Speaker 1: High call in eight four four d Buck, that's eight 630 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:32,000 Speaker 1: four four to eight to five. Is the GOP healthcare 631 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,560 Speaker 1: bill going to get passed in the House this week? 632 00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:38,120 Speaker 1: They said Thursday, it's looking a little shaky. Right now, 633 00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,160 Speaker 1: we're going to talk to Ben Dominoch. He's the publisher 634 00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:44,480 Speaker 1: of The Federalist, host of The Federalist Radio Hour, and 635 00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:48,040 Speaker 1: writes a subscription newsletter called The Transom. I'll give you 636 00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:52,160 Speaker 1: all latest on politics, and also has a piece that 637 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:54,200 Speaker 1: made me think that you'd be a great person to 638 00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,239 Speaker 1: have on today is a piece in the New York 639 00:38:56,280 --> 00:39:00,640 Speaker 1: Times how Trump can fix healthcare. Ben. Great to have you, 640 00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:03,000 Speaker 1: Great to be with you as always, Buck, Thank you, 641 00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,919 Speaker 1: thank you, sir. So Look, I've been saying this now 642 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,120 Speaker 1: for a number of weeks. I'm trying to take a 643 00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,919 Speaker 1: a broad philosophical approach to this health care discussion, because 644 00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,880 Speaker 1: I think it's easy to get uh lost in the weeds, 645 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,800 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, Paul Ryan does his whole 646 00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,600 Speaker 1: budget dance that everyone's talking about, Oh no, it'll get 647 00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:26,160 Speaker 1: better and everything. There are some very basic realities here 648 00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,040 Speaker 1: that I don't think the GOP bill addresses, and one 649 00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:32,399 Speaker 1: of them is that we don't really have health insurance. 650 00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,360 Speaker 1: This is about health coverage and redistributing health coverage to 651 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:39,200 Speaker 1: different groups and different populations in this country by age 652 00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:43,279 Speaker 1: and other criteria. And you're saying in this piece that 653 00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,719 Speaker 1: we need to just start with everybody has what it 654 00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,879 Speaker 1: would be truly insurance, and just start from there, meaning 655 00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:52,719 Speaker 1: catastrophic insurance. Walk us through the plan. Sure, well, I 656 00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,160 Speaker 1: mean your plan, not the plan. Sorry, yeah, yeah, my 657 00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,760 Speaker 1: own plan. Uh So, this is something that I've thought 658 00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:59,719 Speaker 1: for a couple of years now, as being in a 659 00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:03,200 Speaker 1: p coach, that that really ought to be the best 660 00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:06,080 Speaker 1: given the current political situation. And I'll say this, you know, 661 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,880 Speaker 1: in with my with my own caveat that I have 662 00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,720 Speaker 1: a lot of qualms about government being in the business 663 00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:15,360 Speaker 1: of health, of health insurance or healthcare regulation at all. 664 00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,520 Speaker 1: I would vastly prefer that be something that was kept 665 00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,799 Speaker 1: only as a state level issue. But given the realities 666 00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:25,080 Speaker 1: that we have currently and sort of seeing the framework 667 00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:28,080 Speaker 1: of the GOP plan. I was really disappointed with it, 668 00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:29,520 Speaker 1: and so I felt the need to come out and 669 00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:31,920 Speaker 1: say something about this. When he was running for president, 670 00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:35,400 Speaker 1: Donald Trump promised repeatedly that he wanted all Americans to 671 00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,400 Speaker 1: be covered, and at least that's the way that I 672 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,960 Speaker 1: think a lot of people interpreted what he was saying. 673 00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,120 Speaker 1: And he wanted it to be cheaper, he wanted it 674 00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,080 Speaker 1: to be more available to people. He wanted people to 675 00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:46,319 Speaker 1: be able to buy it at a lower cost, but 676 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,120 Speaker 1: also to get high quality care along the way. And 677 00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:50,839 Speaker 1: I think that what we really need to do here 678 00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:54,439 Speaker 1: is break down the difference. End this this false sort 679 00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:58,520 Speaker 1: of difference between what insurance is for and what and 680 00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:03,040 Speaker 1: what basically has become a healthcare preplayment payment plan where 681 00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:06,160 Speaker 1: you're sending money to ensures based on what you're going 682 00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,000 Speaker 1: to need in the future. What I would what I 683 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,280 Speaker 1: would do, what I would advocate for, is a national 684 00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:15,000 Speaker 1: health health policy that was a guarantee to all Americans 685 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,200 Speaker 1: that was paid for via a block grants that to 686 00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,799 Speaker 1: each state based on the number of citizens that they have, 687 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:25,080 Speaker 1: that guarantees them the the basic uh level of catastrophic 688 00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,760 Speaker 1: coverage that is designed to prevent you from having astronomical 689 00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:30,840 Speaker 1: bills if you get hit by a car, have a 690 00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:34,720 Speaker 1: terrible accident, or or acquire some terrible life threatening disease. 691 00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:38,400 Speaker 1: That's something that can be done at less than half 692 00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:41,480 Speaker 1: the cost of Obamacare as a whole. And frankly, I 693 00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:43,000 Speaker 1: think it would be a much better approach than the 694 00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:44,920 Speaker 1: way that the Republicans are going about this, because it 695 00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:48,200 Speaker 1: would teach people what health insurance really should be for, 696 00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:50,759 Speaker 1: which is not the day to day expenses that you have. 697 00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,600 Speaker 1: It's not for birth control, it's not for you know, 698 00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:57,200 Speaker 1: normal dealings with chronic care. It should be about whether 699 00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:58,759 Speaker 1: you're whether you get hit by a car, whether you 700 00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,040 Speaker 1: have some life threatening illness or not. And then on 701 00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:04,640 Speaker 1: top of that, insurers can offer additional products to people 702 00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:06,560 Speaker 1: who want to who want to purchase them, either for 703 00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,200 Speaker 1: themselves or for their families, uh to deal with and 704 00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,440 Speaker 1: and pay for the various needs that they have based 705 00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,520 Speaker 1: on their situation. It's been really interesting since I wrote 706 00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:16,759 Speaker 1: this piece in The Times to get the reactions. All 707 00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,759 Speaker 1: day long, I've been getting emails both from right of 708 00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,319 Speaker 1: center policy walks and academics and people on the hill, 709 00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:24,640 Speaker 1: but also from left to center people as well. Because 710 00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,520 Speaker 1: the fact that it is universal is something that appeals 711 00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,359 Speaker 1: to them because they know that Obamacare, frankly, was not 712 00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,040 Speaker 1: achieving anywhere near the level of coverage that they had 713 00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:34,600 Speaker 1: hoped it would be able to achieve when it was 714 00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:36,919 Speaker 1: put in place. The fact is, if we covered every 715 00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,839 Speaker 1: American this way, if we had a basic guarantee of 716 00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,360 Speaker 1: that with a means tested deductible, that would depend on 717 00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,840 Speaker 1: how much money you earned. So for someone like you 718 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,000 Speaker 1: or me, bucket might be five thousand dollars a year. 719 00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,120 Speaker 1: For someone else it might be a thousand dollars a year. 720 00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,279 Speaker 1: But the issue is you're still getting a plan that 721 00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:54,080 Speaker 1: is that is going to take care of you in 722 00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:57,920 Speaker 1: the event that something really terrible happens. But that but 723 00:42:57,960 --> 00:42:59,839 Speaker 1: that on in addition, on top of that, you can 724 00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:02,640 Speaker 1: have additional coverage as you as you are able to 725 00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:06,040 Speaker 1: purchase it while guaranteeing this base level of coverage for everybody. Now, 726 00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,120 Speaker 1: I agree with you. I've been saying this. I've been 727 00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,560 Speaker 1: saying something similar on this show now four weeks, and 728 00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,439 Speaker 1: that is that people have this notion and we've really 729 00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,120 Speaker 1: been led to believe by the way the ones the 730 00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,680 Speaker 1: Republicans are in charge. Uh and I know you wrote 731 00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:19,359 Speaker 1: in your piece that you had a serious medical issue 732 00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,520 Speaker 1: you dealt with recently being celiac, and I've had to 733 00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:24,160 Speaker 1: deal with some things in the past where I've really 734 00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,600 Speaker 1: been through the system, and you know, you get to 735 00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:28,640 Speaker 1: know at firsthand that all of a sudden you bad is. 736 00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,120 Speaker 1: But people have this idea that I mean, I mean 737 00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:33,080 Speaker 1: most people in this country, because it's what we're led 738 00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:34,680 Speaker 1: to believe, that we're all going to be able to 739 00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:36,680 Speaker 1: have great plans, go see whatever doctors we want, to 740 00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:39,759 Speaker 1: have access to world class care and more or less 741 00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,040 Speaker 1: paid twenty bucks as a co pay or you know 742 00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:44,760 Speaker 1: that there'll be some very small percentage of our healthcare 743 00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:46,920 Speaker 1: costs that we're really gonna pay, and either our our 744 00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,600 Speaker 1: employer or the government's going to pick up a vast 745 00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:54,000 Speaker 1: majority of the overall cost. That's just not reality, that 746 00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:57,680 Speaker 1: that's not feasible, that's not going to happen, go ahead. 747 00:43:57,880 --> 00:43:59,759 Speaker 1: It really isn't and and it's and it's and just 748 00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,200 Speaker 1: as you've experienced this as well. You know, unlike any 749 00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:05,840 Speaker 1: other aspect of when you're when you're making a purchase, 750 00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,560 Speaker 1: when you're deciding something about where to go, you have 751 00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,319 Speaker 1: no real there is no real motive on the part 752 00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,600 Speaker 1: of patients to act as consumers and to think about 753 00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:16,680 Speaker 1: these things. Is it cheaper for me, I just had 754 00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:18,840 Speaker 1: to get an echo cardiogram. Is it cheaper for me 755 00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:20,600 Speaker 1: to get it at the place where the doctor told 756 00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:21,920 Speaker 1: me to get it, or is it cheaper for me 757 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:23,840 Speaker 1: to get it fifteen minutes down the road road and 758 00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,600 Speaker 1: maneuver I It's impossible for me to be able to 759 00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:28,680 Speaker 1: tell that, you know, And that's something that I think 760 00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,400 Speaker 1: in order to change that, we have to have people 761 00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,759 Speaker 1: think more about as consumers when they're when they're dealing 762 00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,359 Speaker 1: with these things that are not emergency situations, which, let's 763 00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:38,080 Speaker 1: face it is most of the time, most of the 764 00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:40,160 Speaker 1: time you go to the doctor, you're not you know, 765 00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:42,160 Speaker 1: bleeding out in an e R or something like that. 766 00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,160 Speaker 1: You're dealing with something that is that is a much 767 00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,319 Speaker 1: more gradual issue that you're going to have to work through, 768 00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,920 Speaker 1: and you can buy insurance plans that are tailored for 769 00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,040 Speaker 1: you to deal with those. If we are able to 770 00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:52,799 Speaker 1: get rid of a lot of these other regulations. The 771 00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,239 Speaker 1: side benefit of what I'm talking about as a plan 772 00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:59,360 Speaker 1: is that you you basically can sweep away and render 773 00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:04,120 Speaker 1: moot so many different aspects of health insurance regulation today 774 00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:07,040 Speaker 1: that are designed to have a ton of different essential 775 00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:10,239 Speaker 1: benefits for everyone, that are designed to force insures to 776 00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,920 Speaker 1: do things that don't make sense within the marketplace. Instead, 777 00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,040 Speaker 1: what you have is a is a system that is 778 00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,400 Speaker 1: more designed for people to think about insurance the way 779 00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:20,200 Speaker 1: they think about other products and understand that it should 780 00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:23,000 Speaker 1: be there for the extreme situation to make sure that 781 00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:26,480 Speaker 1: nobody ever goes bankrupt in America from having these healthcare costs. 782 00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:28,759 Speaker 1: I think that would be something that's more consistent with 783 00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:32,520 Speaker 1: Trump's promise to Americans that would deliver on it, and that, frankly, 784 00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:36,120 Speaker 1: I think is possible given the political realities of the moment, 785 00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,480 Speaker 1: just given the fact that there do seem to be 786 00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:42,479 Speaker 1: enough votes to to really prevent Ryan's plan from going 787 00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:46,040 Speaker 1: forward as it stands, either just in the sense that 788 00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,080 Speaker 1: even if they are able to squeeze it through the 789 00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,480 Speaker 1: House of Representatives, it's going to be have to be 790 00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:53,840 Speaker 1: rewritten significantly in order to pass the Senate. And on 791 00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,399 Speaker 1: that point you're being by the way, I just want 792 00:45:56,440 --> 00:46:00,080 Speaker 1: to say that the pushback that we see when I 793 00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:03,120 Speaker 1: believe it was Jason chaff it's Representative Chase Chafits of 794 00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:05,680 Speaker 1: Utah said you might need to pay for healthcare and 795 00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,080 Speaker 1: STEF and iPhone, which was very similar to what Obama 796 00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:11,440 Speaker 1: had previously said before that. I I think it's it's 797 00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:15,360 Speaker 1: instructive for everyone watching and listening to that that the 798 00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,360 Speaker 1: immediate reaction is, Oh, that's such a ridiculous and terrible 799 00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:22,600 Speaker 1: and wrong thing to say. Well, no, actually, this is 800 00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:27,280 Speaker 1: if you're going to have health insurance instead of subsidized healthcare, 801 00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:32,000 Speaker 1: a very complex system of government mandated subsidized healthcare, there 802 00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:34,200 Speaker 1: are going to be more costs associated for a lot 803 00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:36,920 Speaker 1: of including people with that have employer sponsored plants. I mean, 804 00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,480 Speaker 1: this is going to be you know, you're gonna go 805 00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:41,200 Speaker 1: to the doctor. It's gonna cost you a hundred hundred, 806 00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,600 Speaker 1: fifty buck or two hundred, but whatever it is, and 807 00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,320 Speaker 1: that will become normal instead of twenty dollar copays and 808 00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:48,279 Speaker 1: all the other ways that people are constantly trying to 809 00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:50,759 Speaker 1: you know, hit your deductible all this stuff, and the 810 00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,560 Speaker 1: way that they do reductions. Are you is the is 811 00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:57,359 Speaker 1: the agreement going to mean that the doctor's bill goes 812 00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:59,560 Speaker 1: down just based upon you know, that's it's one of 813 00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:01,640 Speaker 1: the only place you'll ever see this. The cost isn't 814 00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:04,240 Speaker 1: the cost just based upon what you're getting. The cost 815 00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,040 Speaker 1: is the cost depending on whether or not there's a 816 00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,919 Speaker 1: relationship between your ensurre and the doctor. I mean, that's 817 00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,360 Speaker 1: just crazy, but it means more. It means people have 818 00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,759 Speaker 1: to pay ben and that's politically I think difficult. It 819 00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:16,400 Speaker 1: is difficult. And I think that the other thing that 820 00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:18,960 Speaker 1: comes into play here is, you know, we understand that 821 00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,400 Speaker 1: the you know, you play stuff like this out and 822 00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,000 Speaker 1: the motivation is always to ratchet up the number of 823 00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:26,160 Speaker 1: benefits that are going on the number of things that 824 00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:28,920 Speaker 1: are guaranteed each plan, because it's easy for politicians to 825 00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:30,840 Speaker 1: do that and say we're gonna give you free x 826 00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,040 Speaker 1: y Z, not pointing out that that's going to be 827 00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:36,399 Speaker 1: reinterpreted during your you know, during your premium and you're 828 00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:38,920 Speaker 1: going to be paying for it yourself without necessarily knowing that. 829 00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,120 Speaker 1: The difference that I think would happen with the kind 830 00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:44,879 Speaker 1: of plan that I propose in the Times, a plan 831 00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:47,160 Speaker 1: which you know, is consistent with someones that have been 832 00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:48,920 Speaker 1: proposed in the past, and that was outlined in an 833 00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:51,120 Speaker 1: essay that I linked to in the Times. Peace to 834 00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,920 Speaker 1: UH that was ran in national affairs a couple of 835 00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,480 Speaker 1: years ago. Is that you have the ability with something 836 00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:58,680 Speaker 1: like this, to block granted to the states, to give states, 837 00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,800 Speaker 1: you know, a set amount of money based on their insurance, 838 00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:04,359 Speaker 1: both based on the people who live there, and then 839 00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,279 Speaker 1: if the states want to offer additional benefits. So let's 840 00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:10,080 Speaker 1: say California wants to offer a bunch of additional benefits 841 00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:12,600 Speaker 1: in their plan, which is something that they know typically 842 00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,960 Speaker 1: wanted to do. That's fine, California needs to pay for that, 843 00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:19,560 Speaker 1: all right. We we can have a national guarantee that says, 844 00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,000 Speaker 1: you know, there's no citizen of America as We're ever 845 00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:23,920 Speaker 1: going to go bankrupt because they get hit by a 846 00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:27,600 Speaker 1: car because they have some terrible, uh, terrible illness. But 847 00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,000 Speaker 1: if you want to have a bunch of other benefits 848 00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,120 Speaker 1: in your plan, then your state can do it. And 849 00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:34,760 Speaker 1: they're gonna have to find those tax dollars themselves because 850 00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,400 Speaker 1: then they have to balance their budgets, unlike the federal budgets. 851 00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:39,239 Speaker 1: So that's the kind of side of this that I 852 00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:42,200 Speaker 1: think would actually be very beneficial, would send those decisions 853 00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:44,439 Speaker 1: closer to the voters, closer to the people we are there, 854 00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:46,440 Speaker 1: and they will understand that that's going to come out 855 00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:48,560 Speaker 1: in their tax bill the next time that they're paying it. 856 00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:52,239 Speaker 1: What is your assessment at this point of both the 857 00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:56,920 Speaker 1: how would you grade the GOP American Healthcare Act as 858 00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:00,960 Speaker 1: it stands? And also the political realities here are so 859 00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,880 Speaker 1: whether you think it will pass and clearly that the 860 00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,120 Speaker 1: heats getting turned up. You've got members of Congress being 861 00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:08,040 Speaker 1: told you better pass this or else you're gonna get 862 00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:11,680 Speaker 1: primary Yes, you know, so a couple of things about that. 863 00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:14,840 Speaker 1: I personally, and you know, listeners to your show have 864 00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,080 Speaker 1: probably heard me talk about health care for years, and 865 00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:20,760 Speaker 1: I appreciate the opportunity all the time. Personally, I would 866 00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:25,280 Speaker 1: grade this, uh, this Paul Ryan measure as as basically 867 00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:27,760 Speaker 1: a D to a D minus. It is just nowhere 868 00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,800 Speaker 1: near what the kind of replacement they needed to pass, 869 00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:32,960 Speaker 1: you know, looks like. In fact, I wish that they 870 00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:36,120 Speaker 1: had just stuck with their original bill that they all 871 00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:39,440 Speaker 1: voted for, which was, you know, frankly significantly better. I 872 00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:40,880 Speaker 1: would have given it at least, you know, a C 873 00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,600 Speaker 1: plus or a B. Right now, what you're looking at 874 00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:45,680 Speaker 1: is bill that really does not match up with the 875 00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:47,879 Speaker 1: promises that were made to the voters, and I think 876 00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:51,000 Speaker 1: that the political realities of it are are significant and difficult. 877 00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:53,840 Speaker 1: Right now, you shouldn't trust really anything that's going to 878 00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,439 Speaker 1: come out of the House of the Presentatives because they 879 00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:59,080 Speaker 1: try to make a bill that would make moderates in 880 00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:01,400 Speaker 1: the in the Senate happy, that would please the Senate 881 00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:03,719 Speaker 1: parliamentarian because of all the limits on what they can 882 00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,680 Speaker 1: do via reconciliation. Instead, I think they ended up with 883 00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:08,920 Speaker 1: something that was sort of too clever by half, that 884 00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:11,759 Speaker 1: didn't really achieve what they wanted to achieve and didn't 885 00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,000 Speaker 1: really achieve what people promised to achieve. You know, President 886 00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,040 Speaker 1: Trump went to Capital hol today trying to urge people 887 00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:18,799 Speaker 1: to support the bill. But the indication that I really 888 00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:20,279 Speaker 1: have is that they're gonna have to twist a lot 889 00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:21,960 Speaker 1: more arms in the next four or eight hours to 890 00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,520 Speaker 1: make it happen. I think they might probably they might 891 00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:26,120 Speaker 1: end up getting there, because a lot of the time 892 00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:28,560 Speaker 1: bills like this end up having a way of getting there. 893 00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:31,279 Speaker 1: But the problem is that when he says things like 894 00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,120 Speaker 1: you know, will primary people who don't who don't vote 895 00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:36,000 Speaker 1: along with this, the guys who are going to not 896 00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:37,480 Speaker 1: go along with this the most are going to be 897 00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:40,720 Speaker 1: the most conservative members of of that of the House, 898 00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:43,960 Speaker 1: who are probably people who won their districts by good 899 00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:47,040 Speaker 1: twenty points more than Donald Trump, did you know, and 900 00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:48,840 Speaker 1: in typically you know, in a lot of those places, 901 00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,520 Speaker 1: these guys are actually safer in terms of in terms 902 00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:54,520 Speaker 1: of their position because of how conservative their districts are. 903 00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:56,440 Speaker 1: The only way to really beat them would be by 904 00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:59,400 Speaker 1: running running to their right as opposed to running from 905 00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:01,480 Speaker 1: the center them, which is what it would be if 906 00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:04,319 Speaker 1: you were running in defense of the Ryan Bill, which 907 00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:07,240 Speaker 1: every indication we have is is just not very popular 908 00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:09,239 Speaker 1: with people when they when they answer to the Polsters. 909 00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:10,760 Speaker 1: I think at the end of the day, they probably 910 00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:12,799 Speaker 1: will get something out of the House. How much it 911 00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,160 Speaker 1: looks like this though, when it goes through what it's 912 00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:17,200 Speaker 1: going to need to do in the Senate, where you're 913 00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:20,000 Speaker 1: going to have a bunch of different squabbling factions, everybody 914 00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:22,000 Speaker 1: from Rand Paul and the right who really wants to 915 00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:25,120 Speaker 1: achieve the conservative solution, to people like Rob Portman, who 916 00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:27,160 Speaker 1: you know basically are just in there to defend their 917 00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:29,920 Speaker 1: their medicaid expansions in their states. A lot of different 918 00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:31,640 Speaker 1: priorities going on there, and so I think you're gonna 919 00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:33,759 Speaker 1: end up with something that looks very different than this, 920 00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:36,879 Speaker 1: and it's gonna be kind of a Frankenstein monster, Frankenstein's 921 00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:39,200 Speaker 1: monster of a healthcare bill that doesn't really make a 922 00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:43,240 Speaker 1: lot of people happy. I have to say, I I agree, 923 00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:46,840 Speaker 1: and I'm it's disconcerting that this is the first major 924 00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:50,200 Speaker 1: legislative initiative of this new Republican Congress and under this 925 00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:53,839 Speaker 1: new president. Uh and they're just sort of telling us 926 00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,160 Speaker 1: that you got to go along with this or else. 927 00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:58,480 Speaker 1: And it's like, why, you know, I was willing to 928 00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:00,640 Speaker 1: overlook a fair amount to get to this point. You know, 929 00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:05,680 Speaker 1: I'm not willing to overlook everything. Why though, like this 930 00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:09,160 Speaker 1: is you know, this was this was the signature thing. Obviously, 931 00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:12,000 Speaker 1: Trump acknowledges that in the sense that every time he 932 00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:13,359 Speaker 1: talked about he says, we have to get this Thune, 933 00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:15,560 Speaker 1: we have to get this done. I just wish, and 934 00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:17,360 Speaker 1: this is the reason I wrote that that times a 935 00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:20,120 Speaker 1: bit I wish that he would play a more aggressive 936 00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:22,600 Speaker 1: role in this process, because the fact is I think 937 00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:24,799 Speaker 1: that Trump, when he whoever he tends to talk about 938 00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:27,720 Speaker 1: healthcare for him, tends to be bolder and to offer 939 00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:32,239 Speaker 1: basically the bigger change away from where things currently are, uh, 940 00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:35,520 Speaker 1: you know, in compared to what Paul Lyon and others supporting. Now, 941 00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:37,400 Speaker 1: I don't agree with Trump in a lot of senses, 942 00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:39,080 Speaker 1: but I do think that when it comes to his 943 00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:41,560 Speaker 1: promise that everybody would be covered, there's a way to 944 00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:43,080 Speaker 1: do it. There's a way to do it a lot 945 00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,640 Speaker 1: cheaper than Obamacare, in a way that is straightforward, that 946 00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:47,480 Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense, and that would change the 947 00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:49,799 Speaker 1: way people think about insurance, which I think would be 948 00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:51,600 Speaker 1: very important for the long term. Last one for you 949 00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:54,040 Speaker 1: been real quick because we go to break Uh. If 950 00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:57,120 Speaker 1: everyone is in a position where they could buy insurance 951 00:52:57,600 --> 00:52:59,759 Speaker 1: and so, but they're not forced to buy insurance by 952 00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:02,640 Speaker 1: law off, doesn't that mean then that if people choose 953 00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:04,719 Speaker 1: not to then then they do have to deal with 954 00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,000 Speaker 1: the financial consequences. Doesn't mean they get to not care, 955 00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:08,279 Speaker 1: but it does mean that they're going to run out 956 00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:11,120 Speaker 1: of cash. I think that that is something that you 957 00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:12,799 Speaker 1: would have to deal with. But the reality is that 958 00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:14,560 Speaker 1: this is this is a carrot and not a stick, 959 00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:16,160 Speaker 1: and I think it's something that would be an easy 960 00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:19,160 Speaker 1: carrot to actually administer, particularly if you go into the 961 00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:21,799 Speaker 1: states where they already have so many trigger points where 962 00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:23,920 Speaker 1: they can sign people up in the sense that you know, 963 00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:25,920 Speaker 1: just as you go into a d m V and 964 00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:28,840 Speaker 1: they prompt you to update your voter registration. This is 965 00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:30,920 Speaker 1: something that could be as ubiquitous as that. And I 966 00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:32,840 Speaker 1: don't think you need that mandate if you put it 967 00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:34,680 Speaker 1: in that position and make it very easy to do 968 00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:36,640 Speaker 1: and simple, which would be the true in the case 969 00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:38,879 Speaker 1: of these catastrophic plans, in the sense that they don't 970 00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:41,000 Speaker 1: even need to do a health evaluation of you in 971 00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:43,320 Speaker 1: order to sell it to you. Ben Dominoch is publisher 972 00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:45,799 Speaker 1: of The Federalist, host of The Federalist Radio Hour, and 973 00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:49,200 Speaker 1: also the author of the newsletter The Transom. Check out 974 00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:51,640 Speaker 1: his piece today in New York Times dot com. Ben, 975 00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:54,480 Speaker 1: great to have you, Thanks for joining us today. Great 976 00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:56,680 Speaker 1: to be with you as always. But I'm gonna hit 977 00:53:56,680 --> 00:54:00,160 Speaker 1: a break care Team eight four four nine eight two five. 978 00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:04,040 Speaker 1: What do you think of the gop House bill. Should 979 00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:06,040 Speaker 1: we go along with this thing? Or you agree with 980 00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:09,160 Speaker 1: Ben and me that this is not good, needs to 981 00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:11,879 Speaker 1: be a whole lot better. We'll hit that and more 982 00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:17,359 Speaker 1: right after the break. Phone lines are open, everybody, you're 983 00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:19,880 Speaker 1: lighting them up. I appreciate it. Team Buck eight four 984 00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:24,240 Speaker 1: hundred buck eight four four nine to eight to five 985 00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:27,879 Speaker 1: h tweet of the tweet of the day definitely goes 986 00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:30,200 Speaker 1: to that's it. We should do that. Let's do a 987 00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:32,920 Speaker 1: segment from that. We should do a recurring thing on 988 00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:37,520 Speaker 1: this radio show. Tweet of the day, Maxine Waters get 989 00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:42,759 Speaker 1: ready for impeachment. I just saw this. Uh, Congress s 990 00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:45,799 Speaker 1: wooming Waters. That's awesome, getting ready for impeachment. I don't. 991 00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:48,640 Speaker 1: I don't think so. Um, I don't think so. I don't. 992 00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:51,360 Speaker 1: I don't think you have the numbers Congress Congress swimming Waters. 993 00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:56,880 Speaker 1: But very uh classic twenty four thousand retweets of that. 994 00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:59,160 Speaker 1: By the way, we've got a lot of lines A 995 00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:00,680 Speaker 1: lit up. I want to get to your calls now. 996 00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:02,480 Speaker 1: If you're on hold, stay with me, and if you want, 997 00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:05,279 Speaker 1: we got another spot or two open, give us a ring. Uh. 998 00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:09,600 Speaker 1: Let's start with Richard in West Virginia w w v A. 999 00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:13,759 Speaker 1: What's up, Richard? I know why they asked, because I 1000 00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:17,520 Speaker 1: heard you earlier talking about Supreme Court judges. They get 1001 00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:21,000 Speaker 1: a lifetime position, and I've always I'm wondered this for 1002 00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:23,919 Speaker 1: a good while. Nobody else in calling just gets any 1003 00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:27,840 Speaker 1: lifetime positions. Why or why our Supreme Court judge is 1004 00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:31,480 Speaker 1: given a lifetime position. Well, it's supposed to be so 1005 00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:35,560 Speaker 1: that they have there there's an impartiality attached to it, right, 1006 00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:38,680 Speaker 1: so that they don't have to think about re election 1007 00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:41,440 Speaker 1: or they don't have to think about, uh, the next term. 1008 00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:43,319 Speaker 1: But but I agree with you, it seems to me 1009 00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:47,240 Speaker 1: why not have them for certainly for the lower lower 1010 00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:50,560 Speaker 1: federal courts? Why do not have ten years? Why not 1011 00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:53,000 Speaker 1: have so? I don't come up with some cool number 1012 00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,600 Speaker 1: that we all agree on, but lifetime does seem like 1013 00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:58,160 Speaker 1: a long time. I think that's that's a fair point 1014 00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:00,360 Speaker 1: to make. But it's supposed to be to keep them 1015 00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:04,040 Speaker 1: from having to worry about shifting with the political wins, which, 1016 00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:07,960 Speaker 1: by the way, they do. Anyway, the judiciary is a 1017 00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:10,320 Speaker 1: lot like the media, and that we've been told fictions 1018 00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:12,239 Speaker 1: about it for a long time. And I would just 1019 00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:15,759 Speaker 1: rather everyone be honest about stuff I don't like, Orwellian 1020 00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:20,239 Speaker 1: word games. I don't like euphemisms. Let's just call things 1021 00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:23,239 Speaker 1: what they are. And right now, the Supreme Court is 1022 00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:27,040 Speaker 1: viewed as a political football by both side. It just 1023 00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:29,520 Speaker 1: is it is. We can pretend that it's not, and 1024 00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:33,680 Speaker 1: it shouldn't be, but it is. And you'd also have 1025 00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:37,360 Speaker 1: to wonder why those just say, like other politicians know 1026 00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:41,560 Speaker 1: what they run for, their voted in by the people 1027 00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:44,560 Speaker 1: like me and you, the American public. Why is it 1028 00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:52,000 Speaker 1: the Why aren't judges give their position of what they get? 1029 00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:54,360 Speaker 1: Why don't they have to be elected by the public. 1030 00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:57,200 Speaker 1: I don't like everybody else very interestingly, I mean, you 1031 00:56:57,440 --> 00:56:59,880 Speaker 1: can go back, you can go back to the you know, 1032 00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:03,480 Speaker 1: coequal branches and the structure of the judiciary as a 1033 00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:06,280 Speaker 1: as and the separation of powers. And there's a deeper 1034 00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:08,520 Speaker 1: philosophical and thank you for Colin and Richard, there's a 1035 00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:12,680 Speaker 1: deeper philosophical point perhaps to be made about we we have, 1036 00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:16,680 Speaker 1: I believe, prosecutors in you know, prosecutors in many counties 1037 00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:20,160 Speaker 1: have to run for re election, you know, d A s. 1038 00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:22,960 Speaker 1: They have to run. Now, I don't think we want 1039 00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:27,280 Speaker 1: judges to be completely subject to political whims and to 1040 00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:31,720 Speaker 1: the tides of politics as they come in and recede. 1041 00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:34,440 Speaker 1: But I also can understand why we look at this 1042 00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:37,840 Speaker 1: and say to ourselves, well, if we don't have term 1043 00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:40,840 Speaker 1: limits for judges, which we don't, maybe we should start 1044 00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:43,440 Speaker 1: to be a little a little more liberal about removing 1045 00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:45,880 Speaker 1: judges through the impeachment process, and that this is something 1046 00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:47,760 Speaker 1: that on the federal level of something that SID can do. 1047 00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:51,040 Speaker 1: Maybe we should start to think about that a bit 1048 00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:56,200 Speaker 1: more more coming. He's an x c I, a officer 1049 00:57:56,920 --> 00:58:00,200 Speaker 1: who knows how to outsmart the enemies of liberty. What 1050 00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:05,200 Speaker 1: do I do? Have very particular set of skills, Buck 1051 00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:09,680 Speaker 1: Sexton with America Now Team, your mission, should you choose 1052 00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:13,920 Speaker 1: to accept it, called the Freedom Hunt Operations Center nine 1053 00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:20,360 Speaker 1: hundred Buck make contact the pleasure under Hostile Surveillance D 1054 00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:26,240 Speaker 1: to eight to five. We've got Micheline in New York 1055 00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:32,240 Speaker 1: State online on the I Heart app. What's up? Yes, Hello, Hello, 1056 00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:36,479 Speaker 1: thank you for listening to the show. Hi. Yeah, yeah, 1057 00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:41,600 Speaker 1: you're welcome. Yes. My name is Michael Kuzowski from Little Falls, 1058 00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:46,560 Speaker 1: New York. And I'm just really upset because here we 1059 00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:50,880 Speaker 1: have Donald Strong trying to help our country out, and 1060 00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:53,720 Speaker 1: I'm sorry about our country. Everybody is so narrow minded 1061 00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:57,120 Speaker 1: and he's just trying to help. He doesn't have to 1062 00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:01,240 Speaker 1: be a president. He has plenty of money, and I 1063 00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:04,160 Speaker 1: just don't get it. When you mean you don't get it, 1064 00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:06,560 Speaker 1: why why you don't understand why people which would have 1065 00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:08,960 Speaker 1: to include me and this, and Ben who was just 1066 00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:12,080 Speaker 1: on and and and oh Vic Roy who's been on before, 1067 00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:15,120 Speaker 1: who's a conservative health care expert. Of all of us, 1068 00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:17,240 Speaker 1: why all of us think that the GOP bill is 1069 00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:20,600 Speaker 1: not very good? Because keep it. It's it's the Congress. 1070 00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:23,960 Speaker 1: Congress is what's putting this forward, not Donald Trump specifically. 1071 00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:27,920 Speaker 1: He's saying, we can negotiate over this and it'll get better. 1072 00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:31,400 Speaker 1: So but he didn't write this bill. So it's it's 1073 00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:35,840 Speaker 1: not really a criticism of Trump. It's a criticism are 1074 00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:38,520 Speaker 1: going to get better in our world? I mean, even 1075 00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:41,760 Speaker 1: with terrorists and everything. I mean, he's not going to 1076 00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:44,040 Speaker 1: put up with the craft and that he's not going 1077 00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:49,360 Speaker 1: to allow people to come over. You know, but Micheline, 1078 00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:53,160 Speaker 1: are you are you? Are you wondering why there's opposition 1079 00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:56,120 Speaker 1: to Trump generally or are you wondering why there's opposition 1080 00:59:56,160 --> 01:00:00,280 Speaker 1: to Trump specifically on healthcare? Because generally, I mean that's 1081 01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:01,800 Speaker 1: a whole that's like a whole show. We could just 1082 01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:04,680 Speaker 1: sit here and talk about why people hate Trump, right, 1083 01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:06,160 Speaker 1: I mean, that's I don't think you need me to 1084 01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:08,240 Speaker 1: even explain that. I Mean it's pretty clear that the 1085 01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:11,280 Speaker 1: news cycle day in and day out is one long 1086 01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:16,880 Speaker 1: explanation of why journalist hate Trump. But on healthcare, I 1087 01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:18,880 Speaker 1: think that this is you know, I was as I 1088 01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:22,400 Speaker 1: mentioned this to to Ben when we were doing the interview, 1089 01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:27,400 Speaker 1: and there's a lot that I'm willing to overlook, or 1090 01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:29,520 Speaker 1: or at least I'm willing to stomach when it comes 1091 01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:32,040 Speaker 1: to you know, I mean, I don't really want to 1092 01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:34,800 Speaker 1: be hearing much about a trillion dollar infrastructure spending program 1093 01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:38,040 Speaker 1: from a Republican president. But all right, I mean, let's 1094 01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:39,960 Speaker 1: kind of see. I mean, it's not what I want 1095 01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:42,360 Speaker 1: to hear. And also the way that he's spoken about 1096 01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:44,280 Speaker 1: some of the surveillance issues that have come up not 1097 01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:47,280 Speaker 1: what I want to hear. But in the aggregate or 1098 01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:49,480 Speaker 1: looking at this, looking at this overall, I think he's 1099 01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:52,080 Speaker 1: gonna do some really good things. But healthcare isn't one 1100 01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:54,880 Speaker 1: that they can get wrong. This is really important. Healthcare 1101 01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:58,040 Speaker 1: is not something that they can mess up and then 1102 01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:00,160 Speaker 1: try to rebound. You see what I'm saying. It's it's 1103 01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:03,400 Speaker 1: too important of an issue to politically and to me 1104 01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:06,760 Speaker 1: and to you and everybody listening. Isn't gonna just say 1105 01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:10,160 Speaker 1: stuff out of his you know what, because he knows 1106 01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:15,080 Speaker 1: what he's talking about well something or forward, and I'm 1107 01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:16,960 Speaker 1: telling you, people are going to find out he's going 1108 01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:20,520 Speaker 1: to be the best for our country anybody ever could imagine. 1109 01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:23,480 Speaker 1: I'm telling you, all right, Well, Micheline, I I hope 1110 01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:29,800 Speaker 1: go ahead, he will be he really will be. Okay, Okay, 1111 01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:32,040 Speaker 1: I hear you. I hear you. I hope you're right, 1112 01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:34,160 Speaker 1: And a lot of people listening hope you're right too. 1113 01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:37,840 Speaker 1: But hoping is not enough. I need to be clear 1114 01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:41,400 Speaker 1: about what my expectations are based on what the administration 1115 01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:43,720 Speaker 1: is doing day in and day out. So well, can 1116 01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:46,600 Speaker 1: you will continue to follow it? Uh? And at Michelin, right, 1117 01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:50,280 Speaker 1: is that how you say it? Thank you, Michaeleen, all right, 1118 01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:56,160 Speaker 1: I was close. Thank you for what's up to you. 1119 01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:57,920 Speaker 1: Oh nice talking to you. Thank you very much for 1120 01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:04,520 Speaker 1: calling in chill tie so oh by the way, I mean, 1121 01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:07,440 Speaker 1: I'm I'm not gonna like I'm gonna just tell you 1122 01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:08,920 Speaker 1: about this. This isn't the tweet of the day. This 1123 01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:10,920 Speaker 1: is another tweet that's out there. I'm sure a lot 1124 01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:12,720 Speaker 1: of you aren't even on Twitter. So this is this 1125 01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:15,240 Speaker 1: is how journalists talk to each other throughout the day. Now, 1126 01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:17,720 Speaker 1: I think that's mostly it's Trump, and then the journalists 1127 01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:19,920 Speaker 1: all talking about Trump. That's most of what Twitter is, 1128 01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:25,439 Speaker 1: or you know, ariana grande grande stuff. That's right, that's 1129 01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:28,800 Speaker 1: that's and and beebs the beeps is that what we 1130 01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:30,959 Speaker 1: call him now as well? The beeps? Now, I sound 1131 01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:33,680 Speaker 1: like an old and I'm not even that, not that old. 1132 01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:39,400 Speaker 1: But am I a it's a believer, A believer, right, 1133 01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:44,120 Speaker 1: A believer? Okay. I have found myself on more than 1134 01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:45,840 Speaker 1: one This is what people also talk about on Twitter. 1135 01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:47,800 Speaker 1: What I'm saying, I found myself on more than one 1136 01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:50,720 Speaker 1: occasion being like I kind of like this song and 1137 01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:55,080 Speaker 1: then someone's like, it's a Justin Bieber song. I'm like, ah, no, 1138 01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:58,040 Speaker 1: I I know, I won't take it back. It's actually pretty, 1139 01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:02,880 Speaker 1: it's pretty catchy, uh groovy tunes. Okay, Um, But on 1140 01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:05,439 Speaker 1: Twitter you have people like Nate Silver, who I've mentioned before, 1141 01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:08,760 Speaker 1: who's a a numbers guy. I think we'd call him 1142 01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:11,320 Speaker 1: a statistician, or at least he's a what is he? 1143 01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:15,200 Speaker 1: He's the editor in chief of five thirty eight. Um, 1144 01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:17,760 Speaker 1: he just a few minutes ago those you listen to 1145 01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:20,440 Speaker 1: show now that I was talking with this at some 1146 01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:24,400 Speaker 1: length before he tweeted out, seems like Trump Ryan should 1147 01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:27,920 Speaker 1: have begun with a bill that either moderates. I'm sorry 1148 01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:33,320 Speaker 1: that either moderates, Buck, Learning is fun, Reading is fun. Buck, 1149 01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:37,320 Speaker 1: that either moderates really loved or conservatives really loved and 1150 01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:40,680 Speaker 1: bargained from there. Instead, they began with a bill that 1151 01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:43,200 Speaker 1: nobody loved and are having to fight a two front war. 1152 01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:46,680 Speaker 1: That's tough to negotiate your way out of. What has 1153 01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:50,640 Speaker 1: yours truly been saying. I'm just saying anchoring. We talked 1154 01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:53,760 Speaker 1: about this as a negotiation tactic yesterday. If you're trying 1155 01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:56,440 Speaker 1: to get the most conservative bill possible, your first offering 1156 01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:59,440 Speaker 1: should be the most conservative version. Anybody who's ever done 1157 01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:02,680 Speaker 1: any contra aract negotiation, have you ever had somebody when 1158 01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:04,640 Speaker 1: they're doing work on your house? And I'm not trying 1159 01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:06,760 Speaker 1: to pick on general contractors here. You guys are very 1160 01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:09,000 Speaker 1: important society and do great stuff. But do you think 1161 01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:11,200 Speaker 1: that when somebody says, well, we're gonna redo your bathroom, 1162 01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:14,000 Speaker 1: and they put out the first estimate and you're gonna 1163 01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:16,000 Speaker 1: negotiate from that and then you push back, do you 1164 01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:19,480 Speaker 1: think the second time around, uh, you know you're gonna 1165 01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:23,040 Speaker 1: be able to say well, um, let's just completely forget 1166 01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:26,120 Speaker 1: your first offering and I'm gonna give you my number. No, 1167 01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:28,560 Speaker 1: they've already put a number out there. That's now what 1168 01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:32,520 Speaker 1: you're negotiating with. Otherwise the negotiations like it to completely 1169 01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:34,440 Speaker 1: break off. Right If he says ten thousand and you 1170 01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:38,120 Speaker 1: say two thousand, well a lot of daylight there, right. 1171 01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:42,520 Speaker 1: But if somebody if it's really worth ten thousand and 1172 01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:46,880 Speaker 1: he says twelve thousand, you know, now he's already pulling 1173 01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:48,920 Speaker 1: you in the direction of what reality is and he's 1174 01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:50,440 Speaker 1: hoping maybe gets a little more, but at least will 1175 01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:53,800 Speaker 1: be close. With this healthcare bill, it's like they've gone 1176 01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:56,640 Speaker 1: to the opposite direction, you know, They've they've decided that 1177 01:04:56,640 --> 01:05:00,200 Speaker 1: they're going to make They're going to negotiate against themselves 1178 01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:03,720 Speaker 1: unless and this is what I really believe, they don't 1179 01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:05,720 Speaker 1: want it to be that conservative because they know that 1180 01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:07,680 Speaker 1: a really conservative bill. And you'll you heard this from 1181 01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:09,840 Speaker 1: Ben before and maybe we'll have Ovic back on next 1182 01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:12,240 Speaker 1: week overcrowd to talked about this too. Those are two 1183 01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:15,120 Speaker 1: of the best guys that I know of on healthcare. 1184 01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:16,800 Speaker 1: I mean, these are these are guys who read the 1185 01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:19,720 Speaker 1: entirety of Obama, who read the entirety of Obamacare, who 1186 01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:23,080 Speaker 1: read all these bills top to bottom. I've read as 1187 01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:25,520 Speaker 1: much of the American Healthcare Bill as I can stomach. 1188 01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:27,720 Speaker 1: I have gone through a lot of Obamacare, but I'm 1189 01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:30,040 Speaker 1: not a health care policy specialist, so I didn't spend 1190 01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:33,960 Speaker 1: all I didn't go through all twenty seven pages of Obamacare. 1191 01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:37,400 Speaker 1: But they look at this and they come away with 1192 01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:39,680 Speaker 1: many of the same conclusions I do, which is that 1193 01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:43,080 Speaker 1: people want to believe the government's gonna just swoop in 1194 01:05:43,120 --> 01:05:46,560 Speaker 1: and take care of them. That's popular. That's what people want. 1195 01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:50,000 Speaker 1: Everything else is noise. People want the government. And when 1196 01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:51,920 Speaker 1: I say people, I mean a majority of the American 1197 01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:55,440 Speaker 1: people have an expectation that Governm's gonna pay their healthcare costs. 1198 01:05:56,120 --> 01:05:58,640 Speaker 1: And it's not just like it's not popular to say 1199 01:05:59,080 --> 01:06:00,880 Speaker 1: we have to raise the retire harm in age. We 1200 01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:03,520 Speaker 1: have to deal with the titles. That's not a popular 1201 01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:07,480 Speaker 1: thing because you're it's like telling somebody to you know, 1202 01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:10,280 Speaker 1: eat there. It's gonna say, eat their Brussels sprouts. But 1203 01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:12,840 Speaker 1: I think we all know that Brussels sprouts prepared properly 1204 01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:17,240 Speaker 1: are delicious. It's really been a much rehabilitated vegetable. Now. 1205 01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:19,160 Speaker 1: I think brussel sprouts had made quite a comeback in 1206 01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:21,000 Speaker 1: the twenty one century. When I was a kid, was 1207 01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:24,760 Speaker 1: like brussel sprouts and califlower getting no love at all now. 1208 01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:27,320 Speaker 1: But nobody wants to be told to eat their eat 1209 01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:29,480 Speaker 1: their peas. I think peas are good too. I'm actually 1210 01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:32,200 Speaker 1: pretty much a vegetable. Guys. What we're finding out here? Um, 1211 01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:34,479 Speaker 1: I don't what what's like? What's a gross thing? Nobody 1212 01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:36,760 Speaker 1: wants to told to eat? There? Eat the liver. I 1213 01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:40,160 Speaker 1: don't like organ meat, also known as sweetbreads. One of 1214 01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:43,560 Speaker 1: the greatest lies, since if you like your health care 1215 01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:46,360 Speaker 1: plan you can keep it, is just to call anything 1216 01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:49,520 Speaker 1: that is an organ meat sweet bread. It is not sweet, 1217 01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:53,360 Speaker 1: it is not bread. It is gross. Um. But it 1218 01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:57,760 Speaker 1: is a lie that is perpetrated against all of us. Uh. 1219 01:06:57,960 --> 01:06:59,760 Speaker 1: What the heck was I even talking? I just got 1220 01:06:59,840 --> 01:07:02,520 Speaker 1: completely I sometimes will this will happen. I will completely 1221 01:07:02,520 --> 01:07:06,640 Speaker 1: derail myself. Oh, telling people that economic reality is that 1222 01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:09,200 Speaker 1: they're going to have to pay more for their health care. 1223 01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:12,760 Speaker 1: They don't want to hear that. They simply don't want 1224 01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:16,720 Speaker 1: to be told that that is what has to happen here. Remember, 1225 01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:19,680 Speaker 1: the free market means winners and losers. That's what a 1226 01:07:19,720 --> 01:07:21,880 Speaker 1: real free market situation. Now, Ben is putting in the 1227 01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:24,520 Speaker 1: stop gap in his in his idea here, and it's 1228 01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:25,880 Speaker 1: an idea that I a forward it as well. And 1229 01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:30,800 Speaker 1: I believe in of okay, catastrophe actual insurance, catastrophic care 1230 01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:34,200 Speaker 1: and making it possible for anybody, and it will have 1231 01:07:34,320 --> 01:07:36,560 Speaker 1: to be at some level based on risk profile to 1232 01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:38,720 Speaker 1: which means age. I thought it was fascinating to see 1233 01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:42,480 Speaker 1: all the pushback against the GLP bill because people were saying, well, 1234 01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:46,640 Speaker 1: now seniors are gonna have to pay more. Yeah, that's 1235 01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:50,400 Speaker 1: that's reality. Older people are more likely to get sick, 1236 01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:53,600 Speaker 1: So why wouldn't older oh you mean younger having to 1237 01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:56,880 Speaker 1: subsidize the old. Once again we see this. People like 1238 01:07:56,920 --> 01:07:58,960 Speaker 1: talking about how medicare is something you pay into, and 1239 01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:01,560 Speaker 1: that is true, but many Medicare beneficiaries take a lot 1240 01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:03,400 Speaker 1: more out of the program than they pay into over 1241 01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:06,680 Speaker 1: the course of their earning cycle of their lives. So 1242 01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:08,840 Speaker 1: that means the taxpayer is picking up a lot of 1243 01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:11,080 Speaker 1: the tab, not all of it. It's not welfare, but 1244 01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:16,639 Speaker 1: it's certainly taxpayer subsidized. In many cases. This is again 1245 01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:21,160 Speaker 1: cold heart facts, economic reality, financial reality. It's never fun 1246 01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:23,000 Speaker 1: to be the guy who says there's no Santa Clause. 1247 01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:24,880 Speaker 1: The Democrats are in the game of just telling everybody 1248 01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:28,559 Speaker 1: there's a Santa Claus and Republicans are are the Grinch 1249 01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:31,760 Speaker 1: and are bad. It's not. I know it's a little 1250 01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:35,799 Speaker 1: late for Christmas analogies here, but they still work. Barry 1251 01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:39,439 Speaker 1: in Mississippi on the I Heart app. What's up Barry? Hey, 1252 01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:46,080 Speaker 1: good sir, how are you anyway? Listen? I think wanting 1253 01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:48,439 Speaker 1: to spread my feelings for a while, and I finally 1254 01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:54,559 Speaker 1: got them there, spread your feelings. Remember back in when 1255 01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:58,360 Speaker 1: the government said you've gotta buy insurance, you know, or 1256 01:08:58,360 --> 01:09:00,599 Speaker 1: else you know, men with guns come here, else, etcetera. 1257 01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:04,280 Speaker 1: We were like totally outraged, weren't we. The whole country 1258 01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:06,599 Speaker 1: was up in arms. We went and stood on bridges 1259 01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:10,120 Speaker 1: with signs. That's that's how outraged we were. Well, where 1260 01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:14,599 Speaker 1: the outrage go? Why are the ultra conservatives? And I'm 1261 01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:17,760 Speaker 1: pretty conservative myself, I squeaked, but I'm talking about the 1262 01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:21,479 Speaker 1: rigid right. Why are these mandates no big deal? Now? 1263 01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:26,400 Speaker 1: Everybody squawking about medicaid? Medicare you know government controls, which 1264 01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:29,120 Speaker 1: are the mandates. Somebody said, wait, we wanted to get 1265 01:09:29,160 --> 01:09:32,760 Speaker 1: rid of the tyranny, forget the mandates. Uh duh, The 1266 01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:37,080 Speaker 1: mandates are the tyranny. Obamacare is the mandates. Let's just 1267 01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:39,800 Speaker 1: get rid of that. No matter what. We gotta pay 1268 01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:42,400 Speaker 1: the myris just to get you know, to get this through, 1269 01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:45,240 Speaker 1: and then you know, then this will all work out. 1270 01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:48,360 Speaker 1: Is this gonna be the last healthcare bill ever? You 1271 01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:50,400 Speaker 1: know why we have to pretend like this is it 1272 01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:53,000 Speaker 1: or we got no other chances. Now we've got no 1273 01:09:53,120 --> 01:09:57,200 Speaker 1: other chance regarding the mandates. If this bill fails, will 1274 01:09:57,240 --> 01:10:00,880 Speaker 1: there be a second attempt at repealing the mandates? I 1275 01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:03,280 Speaker 1: don't think so them. If people can't wait for a 1276 01:10:03,320 --> 01:10:06,120 Speaker 1: Phase three, how can they wait for a second edition 1277 01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:10,000 Speaker 1: of Phase one. I'm bothered. I'm bothered We're gonna get 1278 01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:13,439 Speaker 1: stuck with the mandates forever. Yes, I think that's what 1279 01:10:13,560 --> 01:10:16,560 Speaker 1: this is leading us towards. And I also think it's important. 1280 01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:21,639 Speaker 1: It's it's important to point out that unless there is 1281 01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:25,840 Speaker 1: a drastic action taken by the Congress that works, where 1282 01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:29,880 Speaker 1: people see premiums go down, where people see the benefits 1283 01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:33,080 Speaker 1: of a conservative free market approach, not gonna be perfect, 1284 01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:35,320 Speaker 1: but it's going to be at least rooted in those 1285 01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:40,400 Speaker 1: principles of choice and competition. And if unless that happens, 1286 01:10:40,479 --> 01:10:43,479 Speaker 1: guess what, we're just waiting around, biding our time until 1287 01:10:43,479 --> 01:10:45,639 Speaker 1: the Democrats all of a sudden have the votes again 1288 01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:48,519 Speaker 1: on the Hill and in the House, and they pushed 1289 01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:53,240 Speaker 1: through an even bigger entitlement state healthcare reform. I mean, 1290 01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:57,200 Speaker 1: that's you have to win on this issue. You can't 1291 01:10:57,240 --> 01:10:59,840 Speaker 1: just bide your time and wonder what's gonna happen in 1292 01:10:59,880 --> 01:11:03,439 Speaker 1: the future and taking small steps, small measures. I know 1293 01:11:03,479 --> 01:11:05,839 Speaker 1: what they're saying is, you know, don't throw the temperature 1294 01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:07,760 Speaker 1: up all the way, Buck, you know, the saunas gonna 1295 01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:09,920 Speaker 1: be too hot. You gotta do step by step. But 1296 01:11:10,040 --> 01:11:12,040 Speaker 1: I think we gotta throw the water on the coals 1297 01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:14,440 Speaker 1: and we gotta get it steamy in there. My analogy 1298 01:11:14,479 --> 01:11:15,920 Speaker 1: is weird, but I think I think you know what 1299 01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:18,040 Speaker 1: I'm saying. We gotta go all in on this thing, Barry, 1300 01:11:18,040 --> 01:11:19,599 Speaker 1: I gotta run to a break man. Thanks for calling 1301 01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:24,280 Speaker 1: it from Mississippi. And uh yeah, by the way, if 1302 01:11:24,280 --> 01:11:26,880 Speaker 1: you haven't already, please subscribe to the podcast and Bucks 1303 01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:30,240 Speaker 1: Accent with American Now go on iTunes. Type in buck 1304 01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:32,879 Speaker 1: Sex and with America Now you can listen anywhere anytime, 1305 01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:36,120 Speaker 1: download it, play it, send it to your friends, and 1306 01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:38,920 Speaker 1: pass the buck. By that, I mean, I mean you 1307 01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:42,320 Speaker 1: can't physically literally do that. I'm I'm a bit heavy. Um, 1308 01:11:42,360 --> 01:11:44,080 Speaker 1: but you can tell any of your friends you want 1309 01:11:44,120 --> 01:11:46,680 Speaker 1: about the show, which would be great to be like, hey, 1310 01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:49,599 Speaker 1: there's this cool radio show buck Sex with American Now. 1311 01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:56,400 Speaker 1: Interesting discussion that's been happening recently, um about well everything 1312 01:11:56,439 --> 01:12:00,920 Speaker 1: having to do with surveillance and the surveillance state. Uh. 1313 01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:05,920 Speaker 1: And you have Representative Adam Schiff talking at the he's, 1314 01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:08,120 Speaker 1: of course what he's on the Intelligence Committee, right, so 1315 01:12:08,160 --> 01:12:10,080 Speaker 1: he's again a lot. I think he was the one 1316 01:12:10,120 --> 01:12:12,080 Speaker 1: that one up against Tucker Carlson last night. Is that 1317 01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:13,960 Speaker 1: Am I imagining that? Or he did? Right? Yeah? I 1318 01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:17,559 Speaker 1: think he had the the spirited back and forth with 1319 01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:21,160 Speaker 1: with Tucker Carlson. It was it was tense, it was entertaining, 1320 01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:25,160 Speaker 1: entertaining viewing. But Schiff told an audience at Brookings, which 1321 01:12:25,200 --> 01:12:30,040 Speaker 1: is the among the most prominent left leading it's not 1322 01:12:30,200 --> 01:12:33,080 Speaker 1: straight up left. It's it's not like the Nation or Salon, 1323 01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:38,519 Speaker 1: which are basically wanting to run around and preach about 1324 01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:42,160 Speaker 1: the Communist Internationale and how that's the way of the future. 1325 01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:45,759 Speaker 1: It's not. It's not hard left, but it's left of center. 1326 01:12:46,120 --> 01:12:49,919 Speaker 1: He was at Brookings and he was speaking about the 1327 01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:53,760 Speaker 1: limits to publishing stolen material Play thirty seven. I'm not 1328 01:12:53,800 --> 01:12:57,439 Speaker 1: saying that you should never publish stolen material. There may 1329 01:12:57,439 --> 01:12:59,719 Speaker 1: be stolen material that is of such a high public 1330 01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:04,160 Speaker 1: value you that it can't help but be published. But 1331 01:13:04,240 --> 01:13:06,960 Speaker 1: I do think the context always ought to be present, 1332 01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:11,320 Speaker 1: so there are sometimes when publishing stolen stuff is I 1333 01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:15,200 Speaker 1: just think this is interesting because with Trump's tax returns, 1334 01:13:16,240 --> 01:13:18,240 Speaker 1: we're all told, well, this is this is fine to do. 1335 01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:23,080 Speaker 1: This is fine too. Publish information knowingly and willfully that 1336 01:13:23,560 --> 01:13:26,479 Speaker 1: is protected under law, but they're just going to publish 1337 01:13:26,520 --> 01:13:29,479 Speaker 1: it anyway. As I pointed out to you yesterday, there 1338 01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:33,759 Speaker 1: is no exception in law for journalists to publish classified information, 1339 01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:36,719 Speaker 1: although so many journalists I know, I think that there 1340 01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:42,160 Speaker 1: is um and the hypocrisy that we see playing out 1341 01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:46,320 Speaker 1: with this whole debate and discussion. It's Hypocricy is a 1342 01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:48,080 Speaker 1: word you're gonna hear. A lot of it comes of Democrats, 1343 01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:50,920 Speaker 1: and I do agree with those who will say that 1344 01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:54,960 Speaker 1: it's not a it's not something that slows the Democrats 1345 01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:57,840 Speaker 1: down on this, because if the ultimate pursuit is just 1346 01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:00,439 Speaker 1: power is to be in charge, why you don't care 1347 01:14:00,439 --> 01:14:03,240 Speaker 1: about hypocrisy. Hypocrisy is like for you know, for jerks, 1348 01:14:03,240 --> 01:14:06,120 Speaker 1: for losers who cares. So while we look at this 1349 01:14:06,160 --> 01:14:08,719 Speaker 1: and say, oh, well, the hypocrisy, we talked about principles 1350 01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:11,559 Speaker 1: and hypocrisy, they're like, yeah, whatever it works for us, 1351 01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:15,519 Speaker 1: now it worked today. Perfect distillation of this is that 1352 01:14:15,720 --> 01:14:18,200 Speaker 1: the Harry Read attitude of yeah, so I lied about 1353 01:14:18,280 --> 01:14:20,640 Speaker 1: Romney on the floor of the Senate. Did he win? No, 1354 01:14:21,240 --> 01:14:27,760 Speaker 1: Therefore it was justified. That's perfect encapsulation of a widespread 1355 01:14:28,200 --> 01:14:31,360 Speaker 1: mentality among the Democrats and the Democrat Party. But so 1356 01:14:31,439 --> 01:14:35,799 Speaker 1: Trump tax returns, That's that's something that also I've pointed 1357 01:14:35,800 --> 01:14:39,120 Speaker 1: out on social media when when some of this initially 1358 01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:42,400 Speaker 1: some of the tax return issue came up, that okay, 1359 01:14:42,439 --> 01:14:45,000 Speaker 1: so we've managed to get some leaks of Trump tax 1360 01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:50,759 Speaker 1: returns already, never had anybody leak uh Barack Obama's records 1361 01:14:50,760 --> 01:14:54,120 Speaker 1: at Columbia University. What I think is fascinating about that 1362 01:14:54,400 --> 01:14:57,800 Speaker 1: is it automatically they jumped to the conclusion, well, if 1363 01:14:57,840 --> 01:15:00,880 Speaker 1: you're bringing that up, you must be a Bertha, or 1364 01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:03,200 Speaker 1: you must be trying to smear the president's place of 1365 01:15:03,240 --> 01:15:05,840 Speaker 1: birth or whatever. No, I just think it's interesting that 1366 01:15:06,360 --> 01:15:09,160 Speaker 1: Barack Obama didn't have to release those and that with 1367 01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:11,920 Speaker 1: the press just stayed away from that there was or whatever. 1368 01:15:12,760 --> 01:15:15,040 Speaker 1: And you could say, well, Buck, what what difference does 1369 01:15:15,080 --> 01:15:18,320 Speaker 1: it make? What difference does it make like Hillary Clinton style? 1370 01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:22,240 Speaker 1: At this point? What different? But it made a difference 1371 01:15:22,240 --> 01:15:25,000 Speaker 1: for John Kerry and George W. Bush and Al Gore 1372 01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:26,880 Speaker 1: and go down the line of all the presidents before 1373 01:15:26,920 --> 01:15:29,760 Speaker 1: who released Nobody really cared when they found out that 1374 01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:35,120 Speaker 1: those presidents had mediocre to less than mediocre grades. The 1375 01:15:35,120 --> 01:15:36,880 Speaker 1: only reason I think it would have been interesting to 1376 01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:38,880 Speaker 1: Obama's grades is that we were told that he was 1377 01:15:40,280 --> 01:15:44,960 Speaker 1: effectively a genius. And I mean, I'm not saying Obama 1378 01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:47,000 Speaker 1: was a terrible student. I just would like to see 1379 01:15:47,080 --> 01:15:50,840 Speaker 1: I have a feeling that given the transfer from Occidental 1380 01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:54,519 Speaker 1: to Columbia University, you know, I mean, maybe he was 1381 01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:57,040 Speaker 1: like getting bees. But that's why I think they didn't 1382 01:15:57,040 --> 01:15:59,280 Speaker 1: release them, because it would have hurt the narrative that 1383 01:15:59,320 --> 01:16:02,679 Speaker 1: this is the most brilliant scholar president in the history 1384 01:16:02,720 --> 01:16:06,200 Speaker 1: of the United States. But you'll notice the media dropped 1385 01:16:06,200 --> 01:16:09,160 Speaker 1: that and there was no leak of that information and 1386 01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:12,120 Speaker 1: nobody calling for that. So I just think it's interesting 1387 01:16:12,160 --> 01:16:15,400 Speaker 1: with the tax returns. Yeah, sometimes publishing stolen stuff, you know. 1388 01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:21,840 Speaker 1: Adam Schiff says, it's okay, Buck Sexton with America. Now 1389 01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:27,680 Speaker 1: the Freedom Hunt is fired up. As Team Buck assembles, 1390 01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:32,240 Speaker 1: shouldered his shoulder, shields high, call in eight four four 1391 01:16:32,520 --> 01:16:36,559 Speaker 1: nine hundred bucks. That's eight four four hundred to eight 1392 01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:40,240 Speaker 1: to five. Welcome back to the Freedom Hunt team eight 1393 01:16:40,360 --> 01:16:44,200 Speaker 1: eight oh sorry, eight four four five, eight four nine 1394 01:16:44,280 --> 01:16:49,600 Speaker 1: hundred buck. As you just heard them say, uh I, 1395 01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:52,280 Speaker 1: I want to just talk a bit about where we're 1396 01:16:52,360 --> 01:16:57,240 Speaker 1: progressivism is heading and attach it to some policies here. Um. 1397 01:16:57,320 --> 01:16:59,320 Speaker 1: First of all, if if you go back and read 1398 01:16:59,720 --> 01:17:01,760 Speaker 1: us some of the memoirs of those who have lived 1399 01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:06,120 Speaker 1: in totalitarian societies, one recurring themes something that comes up 1400 01:17:06,280 --> 01:17:11,240 Speaker 1: is that for a true believer in a totalitarian system, 1401 01:17:11,320 --> 01:17:15,040 Speaker 1: or for one who believes that the state has all answers, 1402 01:17:15,080 --> 01:17:17,960 Speaker 1: the state is everything and nothing can be outside the state, 1403 01:17:19,120 --> 01:17:22,040 Speaker 1: it's not enough to change your opinions on a certain subject. 1404 01:17:22,520 --> 01:17:26,760 Speaker 1: It's not even enough to hold the proper approved opinions. 1405 01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:32,519 Speaker 1: You have to view the orthodoxy of the state, the 1406 01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:37,000 Speaker 1: progressive orthodoxy, as the absolute truth. And in fact, in 1407 01:17:37,080 --> 01:17:41,000 Speaker 1: addition to that, to really cross over properly and to 1408 01:17:41,080 --> 01:17:45,960 Speaker 1: be fully recognized and accepted by your progressive comrades, you 1409 01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:48,640 Speaker 1: have to find ways to convince yourself that you always 1410 01:17:48,720 --> 01:17:52,559 Speaker 1: believe whatever you believe now, even if that means lying 1411 01:17:52,600 --> 01:17:56,400 Speaker 1: to yourself about whatever you used to believe, and anything 1412 01:17:56,400 --> 01:17:59,320 Speaker 1: other than that would be called a considered deviationist, to 1413 01:17:59,400 --> 01:18:04,240 Speaker 1: be one who deviates from the orthodoxy and the progressive norm. So, 1414 01:18:04,439 --> 01:18:07,439 Speaker 1: but this is very important. It's not enough for you 1415 01:18:07,479 --> 01:18:10,200 Speaker 1: to just say today, for if when you're talking about 1416 01:18:10,200 --> 01:18:14,240 Speaker 1: a true progressive, a true status and this is evidenced 1417 01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:19,639 Speaker 1: in you can see cases of this with writers from 1418 01:18:19,640 --> 01:18:23,080 Speaker 1: within totalitarian societies. Is it's it's not just enough to say, 1419 01:18:23,240 --> 01:18:25,240 Speaker 1: you know, yes we all pray to the dear Leader, 1420 01:18:25,640 --> 01:18:30,160 Speaker 1: or yes, comrades, Stalin is the future of the revolution. 1421 01:18:30,200 --> 01:18:32,760 Speaker 1: And no, you have to say that that's what you've 1422 01:18:32,800 --> 01:18:36,560 Speaker 1: always believed. Because the moment that you accept that you 1423 01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:41,040 Speaker 1: thought something else in the past, one you have shown 1424 01:18:41,080 --> 01:18:46,760 Speaker 1: yourself to be suspect and highly imperfect. And two you 1425 01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:49,599 Speaker 1: might start to ask questions, why did I believe that 1426 01:18:49,680 --> 01:18:54,559 Speaker 1: then and believe something else now? That's just logical. No, 1427 01:18:54,760 --> 01:18:58,080 Speaker 1: you have to believe what they tell you to believe today, 1428 01:18:58,160 --> 01:19:02,160 Speaker 1: and you really have to convince yourself you've always believe that. 1429 01:19:02,760 --> 01:19:06,120 Speaker 1: And that's a terrifying thought. I mean, it is the 1430 01:19:06,200 --> 01:19:09,640 Speaker 1: death of the mind. It is uh that that is 1431 01:19:09,640 --> 01:19:11,720 Speaker 1: what is truly totalitarian. It's not enough of them to 1432 01:19:11,760 --> 01:19:14,280 Speaker 1: just control what you can do day to day and 1433 01:19:14,320 --> 01:19:17,000 Speaker 1: to have your to live under the threat of constant 1434 01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:19,200 Speaker 1: force and to have no freedom. They also have to 1435 01:19:19,240 --> 01:19:22,760 Speaker 1: exert absolute mind control over you. And I know that 1436 01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:27,800 Speaker 1: when we talk about transgender issues and transgender rights, there's 1437 01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:30,759 Speaker 1: always this part of me that wants to start off 1438 01:19:30,840 --> 01:19:33,640 Speaker 1: with a preamble of sorts. And I've done this in 1439 01:19:33,680 --> 01:19:35,760 Speaker 1: the past, and I'll do it. I guess right now 1440 01:19:36,600 --> 01:19:40,760 Speaker 1: that someone should never be bullied or picked on or 1441 01:19:40,840 --> 01:19:44,960 Speaker 1: mistreated because of any life choice that is within the 1442 01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:47,000 Speaker 1: law right and if it's not with the law, they 1443 01:19:47,040 --> 01:19:48,799 Speaker 1: shouldn't be bullied or picked on, they should be arrested. 1444 01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:50,760 Speaker 1: But any life choice that one's making this within the law. 1445 01:19:50,840 --> 01:19:56,599 Speaker 1: They shouldn't be mistreated. That's unkind. Dare I even say 1446 01:19:56,600 --> 01:19:59,080 Speaker 1: I'm Christian. It's not a term you hear very often 1447 01:19:59,080 --> 01:20:02,200 Speaker 1: these days, at least not in mass media. Um, you 1448 01:20:02,240 --> 01:20:04,840 Speaker 1: should never be unkind to somebody. And I think it's 1449 01:20:04,840 --> 01:20:06,920 Speaker 1: also fair to point out that kindness is our first, 1450 01:20:07,120 --> 01:20:12,360 Speaker 1: our first obligation to each other. But that's said. The 1451 01:20:12,439 --> 01:20:16,280 Speaker 1: problem that I have with what's happening in the transgender 1452 01:20:16,320 --> 01:20:20,080 Speaker 1: movement around the around the English speaking world and in 1453 01:20:20,120 --> 01:20:24,560 Speaker 1: this country is that it demands of me that I 1454 01:20:24,640 --> 01:20:29,559 Speaker 1: be a party to a lie. It demands of me 1455 01:20:29,680 --> 01:20:35,280 Speaker 1: that I subject myself to saying things, to agreeing to 1456 01:20:35,360 --> 01:20:38,920 Speaker 1: things that I know to be false. And I'm uncomfortable 1457 01:20:38,920 --> 01:20:42,880 Speaker 1: with that. And in the recent years we've seen on 1458 01:20:43,040 --> 01:20:49,880 Speaker 1: this issue, there is no question that that circumstances that 1459 01:20:50,040 --> 01:20:52,639 Speaker 1: even five years ago we would have been told that 1460 01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:58,760 Speaker 1: is a preposterous, That is a completely absurd suggestion. Now 1461 01:20:59,080 --> 01:21:01,639 Speaker 1: now you're told, well, you better, but you better accept 1462 01:21:01,680 --> 01:21:05,479 Speaker 1: that now. And we're supposed to act like we should 1463 01:21:05,479 --> 01:21:07,559 Speaker 1: have always accepted this, that this has always been what 1464 01:21:07,720 --> 01:21:12,280 Speaker 1: is true. Oh. One example of this even just comes 1465 01:21:12,360 --> 01:21:15,760 Speaker 1: up with how Obama didn't touch transgender school bathroom used 1466 01:21:15,760 --> 01:21:18,400 Speaker 1: policy until seven and a half years into his presidency. 1467 01:21:18,439 --> 01:21:21,000 Speaker 1: But he was always in favor of this policy. Of course, 1468 01:21:21,680 --> 01:21:23,360 Speaker 1: that's that must have been what he always thought. But 1469 01:21:23,360 --> 01:21:26,479 Speaker 1: he just waited until the very very end and left 1470 01:21:26,520 --> 01:21:31,360 Speaker 1: this policy in place. I have a problem both with 1471 01:21:31,960 --> 01:21:35,840 Speaker 1: being forced to say things that are a lie, being 1472 01:21:35,880 --> 01:21:39,840 Speaker 1: forced to bend the knee and pretend something is true 1473 01:21:39,880 --> 01:21:42,640 Speaker 1: that is not, and also with that, of course, to 1474 01:21:42,720 --> 01:21:48,880 Speaker 1: really avoid scorn and derision, and to avoid cries or 1475 01:21:48,920 --> 01:21:52,400 Speaker 1: accusations of bigotry or insensitivity or hatred or any number 1476 01:21:52,439 --> 01:21:55,479 Speaker 1: of things. You hold the right position now, and you 1477 01:21:55,520 --> 01:21:58,120 Speaker 1: pretend like you've always held that position. You're never supposed 1478 01:21:58,160 --> 01:22:00,320 Speaker 1: to talk about what he used to think you asumption 1479 01:22:00,360 --> 01:22:02,360 Speaker 1: as you've always thought that you're supposed to always have 1480 01:22:02,439 --> 01:22:07,920 Speaker 1: thought that. And with transgenderism, that a woman can become 1481 01:22:07,960 --> 01:22:10,160 Speaker 1: a man or a man can become a woman, this 1482 01:22:10,240 --> 01:22:12,519 Speaker 1: is we're now taught this as though it has always 1483 01:22:12,520 --> 01:22:17,559 Speaker 1: been an absolute truth. This has always been reality, and 1484 01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:21,920 Speaker 1: it is just not. And this plays out in different ways. 1485 01:22:21,960 --> 01:22:26,400 Speaker 1: But we see this and the madness of progressivism and 1486 01:22:26,479 --> 01:22:31,599 Speaker 1: the mentality that it it fosters, and people um that 1487 01:22:31,640 --> 01:22:33,920 Speaker 1: those who know nothing about the science of this that 1488 01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:36,760 Speaker 1: know nothing about well science in general, but they love 1489 01:22:36,800 --> 01:22:40,839 Speaker 1: to talk about science because it's a buzzword for progressive ism. 1490 01:22:40,880 --> 01:22:43,120 Speaker 1: You know, the smart people can make all the decisions 1491 01:22:43,120 --> 01:22:44,400 Speaker 1: for all of us. And if you don't agree with 1492 01:22:44,439 --> 01:22:46,880 Speaker 1: the smart people make all the decisions for you, well, 1493 01:22:46,880 --> 01:22:49,080 Speaker 1: clearly you're not smart. That's the way that that's the 1494 01:22:49,080 --> 01:22:51,880 Speaker 1: way the logic circle goes over there. And have a 1495 01:22:51,880 --> 01:22:53,960 Speaker 1: couple of stories that made me think about this now, 1496 01:22:55,160 --> 01:22:59,759 Speaker 1: um and one of them there. They're both outside the country, 1497 01:22:59,800 --> 01:23:01,920 Speaker 1: but I think we could see it happening. It has 1498 01:23:01,960 --> 01:23:04,760 Speaker 1: happened here too. So these are just examples of what 1499 01:23:04,920 --> 01:23:09,040 Speaker 1: is happening all over the Western English speaking world. First, 1500 01:23:09,080 --> 01:23:14,280 Speaker 1: you have a weightlifter in New Zealand who is the 1501 01:23:14,320 --> 01:23:19,000 Speaker 1: first ever transgender athlete to represent New Zealand and come 1502 01:23:19,000 --> 01:23:24,040 Speaker 1: away with a weightlifting victory. Now, this is where we 1503 01:23:24,160 --> 01:23:27,040 Speaker 1: run into reality and we're told to ignore it, and 1504 01:23:27,080 --> 01:23:29,760 Speaker 1: I'm not comfortable doing that. It's not because I'm trying 1505 01:23:29,800 --> 01:23:32,960 Speaker 1: to be mean. It's not because I'm encouraging bigotry or 1506 01:23:33,000 --> 01:23:34,559 Speaker 1: bullying or any of the things that the left will 1507 01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:37,760 Speaker 1: throw out there. I just like to deal with what 1508 01:23:37,960 --> 01:23:41,840 Speaker 1: is true as it is true, and not play games 1509 01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:46,880 Speaker 1: with that. Uh. Male biology is different from female biology. 1510 01:23:47,240 --> 01:23:52,439 Speaker 1: Male biology is going to give for anyone who is 1511 01:23:52,479 --> 01:23:56,320 Speaker 1: training as an athlete an advantage as a function of 1512 01:23:56,320 --> 01:24:01,719 Speaker 1: biology over a female because of what is down to biochemistry, 1513 01:24:02,520 --> 01:24:08,200 Speaker 1: testosterone levels and estrogen levels, and these are you know, 1514 01:24:08,360 --> 01:24:11,960 Speaker 1: we are all really just walking around, you know. Uh, 1515 01:24:12,479 --> 01:24:15,280 Speaker 1: you can take the Jenney lam Janey lamb Uh sorry 1516 01:24:15,439 --> 01:24:18,519 Speaker 1: Jamie Lanister view from Game of Thrones. We're just sacks 1517 01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:23,000 Speaker 1: of meat. But we're all just bags of walking chemicals. Really, 1518 01:24:23,040 --> 01:24:25,080 Speaker 1: we're all just moving around. And I know, of course 1519 01:24:25,120 --> 01:24:26,320 Speaker 1: we're all made in the image of God and we 1520 01:24:26,360 --> 01:24:30,320 Speaker 1: have souls. I'm not talking about that, but biologically speaking, chemistry, 1521 01:24:30,360 --> 01:24:33,760 Speaker 1: our internal chemistry is very important, our brain chemistry and 1522 01:24:33,920 --> 01:24:37,800 Speaker 1: also all of the rest of the bodily functions that 1523 01:24:37,800 --> 01:24:40,400 Speaker 1: are determined by our chemistry. And to ignore that or 1524 01:24:40,439 --> 01:24:42,759 Speaker 1: to pretend that's not real is just to defy science 1525 01:24:42,840 --> 01:24:46,519 Speaker 1: and reality and that you have a female I'm sorry, 1526 01:24:46,600 --> 01:24:49,760 Speaker 1: a male athlete who claims to be female who is 1527 01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:53,840 Speaker 1: winning an athletic competition. It's just wrong. It's just wrong. 1528 01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:57,280 Speaker 1: And with weightlifting, maybe people are more willing to look 1529 01:24:57,360 --> 01:24:59,240 Speaker 1: the other way and just say, well, this is the 1530 01:24:59,280 --> 01:25:01,680 Speaker 1: way things are are now. And I've always believed this, 1531 01:25:01,800 --> 01:25:03,360 Speaker 1: of course, because I want to be in good standing. 1532 01:25:03,439 --> 01:25:07,160 Speaker 1: It's like we're all sitting around trying to get a 1533 01:25:07,240 --> 01:25:10,560 Speaker 1: pat on the head from the Central Committee of the 1534 01:25:10,640 --> 01:25:13,000 Speaker 1: Communist Party here, because that's the way it used to be. 1535 01:25:13,360 --> 01:25:14,960 Speaker 1: You know. It wasn't enough to just say, yeah, I 1536 01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:16,080 Speaker 1: agree with you. It is yeah, I agree with you. 1537 01:25:16,120 --> 01:25:18,280 Speaker 1: I've always agreed with you because this is this has 1538 01:25:18,320 --> 01:25:21,400 Speaker 1: always been true. And see there's an additional level. It's 1539 01:25:21,439 --> 01:25:26,560 Speaker 1: it's beyond just acceptance. It's the celebration and the perpetuation 1540 01:25:26,920 --> 01:25:32,120 Speaker 1: of a false idea. And with transgenderism and this man 1541 01:25:32,240 --> 01:25:35,479 Speaker 1: who is of the belief that he is a woman 1542 01:25:36,240 --> 01:25:41,800 Speaker 1: competing in an athletic competition, Uh, how can anyone think 1543 01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:44,560 Speaker 1: that this is fair? I don't know what other word is. 1544 01:25:44,840 --> 01:25:47,680 Speaker 1: How can I think this is a good idea, this 1545 01:25:47,840 --> 01:25:50,559 Speaker 1: is the way it's supposed to be. And then when 1546 01:25:50,600 --> 01:25:55,720 Speaker 1: you go to another story, this might hammer home the 1547 01:25:55,840 --> 01:25:59,200 Speaker 1: point even more, This might make it even more clear. 1548 01:25:59,800 --> 01:26:03,240 Speaker 1: In the United Kingdom, you have a man who has 1549 01:26:03,400 --> 01:26:09,639 Speaker 1: been convicted, is a convicted rapist who has gone through 1550 01:26:09,720 --> 01:26:15,320 Speaker 1: a transgender process and is now being housed in an 1551 01:26:15,400 --> 01:26:19,680 Speaker 1: all women's prison. These are examples that even in the 1552 01:26:19,960 --> 01:26:23,360 Speaker 1: in the close to sixty years now, I've been doing 1553 01:26:23,400 --> 01:26:25,360 Speaker 1: media that I've put out there before and said, well, 1554 01:26:25,880 --> 01:26:27,800 Speaker 1: how can you tell me this won't happen? And oh, 1555 01:26:27,960 --> 01:26:30,120 Speaker 1: I would get the emails and the messages. Oh, how 1556 01:26:30,520 --> 01:26:33,040 Speaker 1: how dare that will never happen? We're just trying to 1557 01:26:33,080 --> 01:26:35,360 Speaker 1: stop people from being bullied in school. No. No, Now 1558 01:26:35,479 --> 01:26:40,400 Speaker 1: we have biological males, which is really repetitive. We have 1559 01:26:40,520 --> 01:26:45,120 Speaker 1: males competing as females, and we are supposed if it's 1560 01:26:45,160 --> 01:26:49,560 Speaker 1: not just enough to say that you don't care or no, no, 1561 01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:52,800 Speaker 1: if this comes up, you better say with if you're 1562 01:26:52,800 --> 01:26:54,599 Speaker 1: going to be in good standing with the Democrat Party, 1563 01:26:54,640 --> 01:26:59,320 Speaker 1: with Hollywood, with the media, you better celebrate this. They're 1564 01:26:59,320 --> 01:27:01,519 Speaker 1: gonna rub your face in this. They're not gonna let 1565 01:27:01,560 --> 01:27:03,439 Speaker 1: you just turn a blind eye and say, well, it's 1566 01:27:03,479 --> 01:27:05,920 Speaker 1: not my problem, I don't care. The moment that it 1567 01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:10,519 Speaker 1: comes up around you, you're supposed to accept this, celebrate this, 1568 01:27:10,720 --> 01:27:16,479 Speaker 1: and forget everything you knew beforehand. Um, but the athletic competition, okay, fine, 1569 01:27:16,640 --> 01:27:19,160 Speaker 1: when you look at mixed martial arts, though, whether it 1570 01:27:19,320 --> 01:27:22,000 Speaker 1: has been a male competing as a female, I mean 1571 01:27:22,080 --> 01:27:24,000 Speaker 1: that that to me is just it's just appalling. I mean, 1572 01:27:24,120 --> 01:27:26,639 Speaker 1: you've got a man, You've got a man who's who's 1573 01:27:26,640 --> 01:27:28,719 Speaker 1: beating up women as a as a form of entertainment 1574 01:27:28,760 --> 01:27:31,120 Speaker 1: in a ring. I mean, this is not This should 1575 01:27:31,120 --> 01:27:35,960 Speaker 1: not be okay to anybody. And of course his incredible 1576 01:27:36,040 --> 01:27:40,080 Speaker 1: record in the ring is not surprising. It shouldn't be 1577 01:27:40,120 --> 01:27:43,960 Speaker 1: surprising to anybody. Um, you have the most comprehensive study 1578 01:27:44,040 --> 01:27:47,520 Speaker 1: ever done of and this is this is not about transgenderism, 1579 01:27:47,560 --> 01:27:49,439 Speaker 1: but the most comprehensive study ever done by the Marine 1580 01:27:49,439 --> 01:27:52,240 Speaker 1: Corps showed that we're keep being told all the standards 1581 01:27:52,280 --> 01:27:55,200 Speaker 1: will be the same. Well, men dramatically and overwhelming the 1582 01:27:55,200 --> 01:27:59,479 Speaker 1: outperformed women in the physical tasks of the infantry. There's 1583 01:27:59,479 --> 01:28:02,880 Speaker 1: a byel logical difference that manifests itself in very real ways. 1584 01:28:04,080 --> 01:28:07,160 Speaker 1: But we've got now male athletes competing as female athletes 1585 01:28:07,360 --> 01:28:11,120 Speaker 1: because they're trying to erase that biological distinction. And I 1586 01:28:11,240 --> 01:28:16,320 Speaker 1: know I keep drawing upon former communists and former communists 1587 01:28:16,320 --> 01:28:18,920 Speaker 1: writing here to make make some of these points, but 1588 01:28:19,120 --> 01:28:22,000 Speaker 1: the eradication of the difference between the sexes the eradication 1589 01:28:22,040 --> 01:28:25,280 Speaker 1: of the family. This is all this is all Marxist, 1590 01:28:25,920 --> 01:28:30,720 Speaker 1: early Marxist doctrine, early marks and angles. Uh the you know, 1591 01:28:31,200 --> 01:28:32,960 Speaker 1: marriage is slavery. A lot of this stuff that's been 1592 01:28:32,960 --> 01:28:36,439 Speaker 1: adopted by the left, even in this country, in contemporary ways. 1593 01:28:37,439 --> 01:28:39,040 Speaker 1: You can trace it all the way back and say, 1594 01:28:39,040 --> 01:28:42,360 Speaker 1: oh wow, that sounds a lot like early Communist party 1595 01:28:42,400 --> 01:28:45,840 Speaker 1: doctrine within the Soviet Union, and it and it is. 1596 01:28:46,400 --> 01:28:48,000 Speaker 1: And the destruction of the family and the destruction of 1597 01:28:48,040 --> 01:28:52,040 Speaker 1: the distinctions between genders is a part of an ultra 1598 01:28:52,240 --> 01:28:56,240 Speaker 1: status society. So none of again, none of this is surprising. 1599 01:28:56,640 --> 01:29:00,439 Speaker 1: But you have women competing in men's athletic competitions, and 1600 01:29:00,680 --> 01:29:04,479 Speaker 1: you have women, now I'm sorry, men competing in women's 1601 01:29:04,479 --> 01:29:06,679 Speaker 1: that I might have gone the wrong way. Men competing 1602 01:29:06,720 --> 01:29:12,439 Speaker 1: in women's athletic competitions. And you have men being housed 1603 01:29:12,479 --> 01:29:15,599 Speaker 1: in female prisons who have a history of violence against women, 1604 01:29:16,360 --> 01:29:20,280 Speaker 1: rapist in this case. And this is what is considered 1605 01:29:20,360 --> 01:29:25,080 Speaker 1: to be fair and just and normal among the left. 1606 01:29:25,680 --> 01:29:30,280 Speaker 1: You can call liberals, progressives, whatever definition you care to use. 1607 01:29:31,360 --> 01:29:34,599 Speaker 1: We are we are being drawn down a pathway of madness. 1608 01:29:34,720 --> 01:29:40,519 Speaker 1: And all madness starts with a rejection of truth. But 1609 01:29:40,680 --> 01:29:44,519 Speaker 1: this is crazy and that you have people who have 1610 01:29:45,120 --> 01:29:47,000 Speaker 1: no idea what they're talking about. I mean, if I 1611 01:29:47,080 --> 01:29:49,680 Speaker 1: started to ask them to lay out for me the 1612 01:29:49,760 --> 01:29:53,640 Speaker 1: International Olympic Committee's regulations on female hyper androgen is um, 1613 01:29:53,920 --> 01:29:56,080 Speaker 1: they looked at me like, I have no idea what 1614 01:29:56,120 --> 01:29:58,559 Speaker 1: I'm talking about, because now you've got the Olympic Committee 1615 01:29:58,560 --> 01:30:01,920 Speaker 1: even looking at well, we're gonna measure hormone levels, and no, 1616 01:30:03,080 --> 01:30:07,479 Speaker 1: we really don't. Men should compete against men, women should 1617 01:30:07,479 --> 01:30:12,960 Speaker 1: compete against women. Biology matters. Biology makes a difference, and 1618 01:30:13,800 --> 01:30:18,560 Speaker 1: this erasing of the lines between male and female is 1619 01:30:18,640 --> 01:30:22,240 Speaker 1: just part of a much larger effort to create a 1620 01:30:22,320 --> 01:30:25,080 Speaker 1: society that we all have to live in where the 1621 01:30:25,120 --> 01:30:27,960 Speaker 1: state gets to determine the truth and you have to 1622 01:30:28,080 --> 01:30:30,360 Speaker 1: accept what they say the truth is not what actually 1623 01:30:30,520 --> 01:30:36,800 Speaker 1: is true. Alright, eight four four five, four hundred buck. 1624 01:30:37,040 --> 01:30:40,599 Speaker 1: We will be right back. Very interesting in the New 1625 01:30:40,680 --> 01:30:46,439 Speaker 1: York Times how Americans think about climate change in six maps. 1626 01:30:46,680 --> 01:30:48,080 Speaker 1: I want to walk you through a little bit of this, 1627 01:30:48,320 --> 01:30:50,080 Speaker 1: and I may not finish and may come back to 1628 01:30:50,160 --> 01:30:55,639 Speaker 1: this after the break, because I find this to be really, oh, 1629 01:30:56,240 --> 01:31:01,040 Speaker 1: very very delicious reading here. How Americans think about climate 1630 01:31:01,120 --> 01:31:02,760 Speaker 1: change in six maps, and then it goes into this 1631 01:31:03,680 --> 01:31:09,240 Speaker 1: Americans overwhelmingly believe that global warming is happening and that 1632 01:31:09,360 --> 01:31:13,040 Speaker 1: carbon emissions should be scaled back, but fewer are sure 1633 01:31:14,320 --> 01:31:17,320 Speaker 1: that the changes will harm them personally. This is data 1634 01:31:17,360 --> 01:31:20,360 Speaker 1: by Yale researchers that have been put into these maps 1635 01:31:20,479 --> 01:31:25,960 Speaker 1: or heat maps to look at the density of different occurrences. Right, 1636 01:31:26,080 --> 01:31:28,639 Speaker 1: So darker color for whatever the color as they choose, 1637 01:31:28,680 --> 01:31:31,720 Speaker 1: means more people or more people without opinion. Um. And 1638 01:31:31,760 --> 01:31:33,559 Speaker 1: I know I'm describing maps on radio, which is kind 1639 01:31:33,560 --> 01:31:36,320 Speaker 1: of difficult, but let me just start with how they well, 1640 01:31:36,360 --> 01:31:39,479 Speaker 1: how they start how Americans think about climate change. And 1641 01:31:39,520 --> 01:31:42,280 Speaker 1: the first line is Americans overwhelmingly believe that global warming 1642 01:31:42,479 --> 01:31:48,280 Speaker 1: is happening, which which isn't is it climate change or 1643 01:31:48,439 --> 01:31:54,200 Speaker 1: is it global warming? Uh? This is not This is 1644 01:31:56,439 --> 01:32:00,800 Speaker 1: uh not something that I think is irrelevant or unimportant. Um. 1645 01:32:01,240 --> 01:32:05,000 Speaker 1: This is not something that we can just skip over 1646 01:32:05,760 --> 01:32:08,479 Speaker 1: because the language that really matters. They're doing polling and 1647 01:32:08,479 --> 01:32:10,760 Speaker 1: they're saying to people, well, do you believe in global warming? 1648 01:32:10,800 --> 01:32:14,040 Speaker 1: Do you believe in climate change? Climate change is a 1649 01:32:14,880 --> 01:32:16,720 Speaker 1: I don't know what the definition of it really is, 1650 01:32:17,240 --> 01:32:18,960 Speaker 1: and people do oh, he doesn't know the definition. No, 1651 01:32:19,080 --> 01:32:23,000 Speaker 1: what what? The climate is always changing, So when someone 1652 01:32:23,040 --> 01:32:25,519 Speaker 1: says you believe in climate change, a natural reaction to 1653 01:32:25,600 --> 01:32:30,000 Speaker 1: that is going to be well, yeah, I guess. And 1654 01:32:30,080 --> 01:32:32,320 Speaker 1: they said, well, no, climate change means that there is 1655 01:32:32,400 --> 01:32:38,559 Speaker 1: an impending catastrophic global event that is coming our way, 1656 01:32:39,240 --> 01:32:41,559 Speaker 1: or a series of global events coming our way because 1657 01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:47,040 Speaker 1: of c O two emissions in the air. Um no, 1658 01:32:47,200 --> 01:32:50,280 Speaker 1: I don't believe that. And these maps. But it's interesting 1659 01:32:50,280 --> 01:32:52,200 Speaker 1: is that they switched back and forth between climate changeing 1660 01:32:52,200 --> 01:32:55,960 Speaker 1: global warming, which one is it warming is a very 1661 01:32:56,040 --> 01:32:59,360 Speaker 1: straightforward concept, and if their data shows a drop in 1662 01:32:59,400 --> 01:33:01,880 Speaker 1: warming in any given year, then they have to explain 1663 01:33:01,960 --> 01:33:05,280 Speaker 1: that much easier to say climate change because and people 1664 01:33:05,320 --> 01:33:07,639 Speaker 1: have glibly said, well, you know, climate change is weather, 1665 01:33:07,880 --> 01:33:10,519 Speaker 1: but that is true, and if you take the time. 1666 01:33:10,600 --> 01:33:12,479 Speaker 1: And I don't recommend it because it's highly boring, but 1667 01:33:12,560 --> 01:33:17,080 Speaker 1: I've I've read not the most reason but the second 1668 01:33:17,120 --> 01:33:20,800 Speaker 1: most recent I believe, international or sorry, Intergovernmental Panel on 1669 01:33:20,840 --> 01:33:23,360 Speaker 1: Climate Change i p c C report and they say 1670 01:33:23,400 --> 01:33:26,680 Speaker 1: that climate is a dcoupled non linear chaos system more 1671 01:33:26,760 --> 01:33:30,360 Speaker 1: or less, which to math and science mortals like myself 1672 01:33:30,479 --> 01:33:34,480 Speaker 1: just means it's really really complicated. It's really really complicated, 1673 01:33:35,000 --> 01:33:37,280 Speaker 1: which is a nice way of saying, we can't tell 1674 01:33:37,320 --> 01:33:39,360 Speaker 1: you exactly what's going to happen here because we don't know. 1675 01:33:39,760 --> 01:33:41,479 Speaker 1: But trust us when we said that you should hand 1676 01:33:41,520 --> 01:33:44,200 Speaker 1: over a tremendous amount of control over your life and 1677 01:33:44,240 --> 01:33:48,479 Speaker 1: over your economy and everything else that's happening because of 1678 01:33:49,800 --> 01:33:54,720 Speaker 1: climate change. Um, that's they're asking for quite a leap 1679 01:33:54,800 --> 01:33:57,600 Speaker 1: of faith, I think with all of this. But in 1680 01:33:57,680 --> 01:34:00,200 Speaker 1: these maps, it shows exactly what you would think, is 1681 01:34:01,360 --> 01:34:06,240 Speaker 1: that adults who American adults who believe climate change will 1682 01:34:06,280 --> 01:34:09,040 Speaker 1: harm them, or global warming is actually the verbiage they 1683 01:34:09,120 --> 01:34:11,000 Speaker 1: use more frequently global warming will harm people. In the 1684 01:34:11,040 --> 01:34:15,360 Speaker 1: United States, the Democrats strongholds are where you see a 1685 01:34:15,400 --> 01:34:18,599 Speaker 1: lot of people worried about global warming, and the reader 1686 01:34:18,800 --> 01:34:23,519 Speaker 1: in terms of Republican Republican areas the country, the redder 1687 01:34:23,560 --> 01:34:25,840 Speaker 1: the state, the redder the region of the state, the 1688 01:34:26,000 --> 01:34:28,240 Speaker 1: less likely it is in general for people to be 1689 01:34:28,360 --> 01:34:33,240 Speaker 1: particularly worried about global warming. And this just mirrors what 1690 01:34:33,280 --> 01:34:35,639 Speaker 1: we already know, which is that just like the debate 1691 01:34:35,720 --> 01:34:39,639 Speaker 1: over guns and the debate over climate change and many 1692 01:34:39,720 --> 01:34:44,320 Speaker 1: other issues, but those are two particularly powerful examples. I 1693 01:34:44,400 --> 01:34:47,400 Speaker 1: think it has not for many people. For most people 1694 01:34:47,479 --> 01:34:49,640 Speaker 1: that have strong opinions on this, it's not about the 1695 01:34:49,760 --> 01:34:54,439 Speaker 1: issue on the left. The whole purpose of holding the 1696 01:34:54,560 --> 01:34:59,719 Speaker 1: position is that allows you to think you're better, smarter, wiser, nicer, kind, 1697 01:35:01,600 --> 01:35:07,240 Speaker 1: more informed than other people on on the left. That's 1698 01:35:07,280 --> 01:35:10,120 Speaker 1: what this is really about. Um. This is why they 1699 01:35:10,160 --> 01:35:13,479 Speaker 1: don't just have a disagreement with people that believe in 1700 01:35:13,520 --> 01:35:15,760 Speaker 1: the Second Amendment. For example, they have an antipathy, they 1701 01:35:15,840 --> 01:35:19,280 Speaker 1: have a disdain for for those who are part of 1702 01:35:19,960 --> 01:35:23,200 Speaker 1: that very large segment of America that has some form 1703 01:35:23,280 --> 01:35:26,840 Speaker 1: of gun culture. UM. And with climate change, the same thing. 1704 01:35:27,720 --> 01:35:30,040 Speaker 1: It's not that they really worry that much at their 1705 01:35:30,040 --> 01:35:33,000 Speaker 1: houses in Malibu are going to be swamped by the 1706 01:35:33,200 --> 01:35:36,880 Speaker 1: rising seas. It's they believe in climate change because climate 1707 01:35:36,960 --> 01:35:39,680 Speaker 1: change is what makes them better and smarter and more 1708 01:35:39,760 --> 01:35:45,000 Speaker 1: worthwhile than those other people who you know, voted for 1709 01:35:45,080 --> 01:35:48,080 Speaker 1: Donald Trump and go to NASCAR and drink Budweiser and 1710 01:35:48,120 --> 01:35:51,200 Speaker 1: all that other stuff that liberals sneer at in the 1711 01:35:51,240 --> 01:35:53,559 Speaker 1: rest of the country. So I thought these maps are interesting, 1712 01:35:53,640 --> 01:35:55,160 Speaker 1: but not for the reasons that The New York Times 1713 01:35:55,200 --> 01:35:58,360 Speaker 1: would think. Uh, and it did. I guess confer what 1714 01:35:58,400 --> 01:36:02,320 Speaker 1: I already knew. See, I a officer who knows how 1715 01:36:02,360 --> 01:36:07,879 Speaker 1: to outsmart the enemies of liberty. I have very particular 1716 01:36:07,960 --> 01:36:13,439 Speaker 1: set of skills. Buck Sexton with America Now Team your mission, 1717 01:36:13,560 --> 01:36:16,320 Speaker 1: should you choose to accept it, call the Freedom Hunt 1718 01:36:16,360 --> 01:36:22,280 Speaker 1: Operations Center nine hundred, Buck make contact unless you're under 1719 01:36:22,360 --> 01:36:29,400 Speaker 1: hostile surveillance to A to five, everybody. We're joined by 1720 01:36:29,800 --> 01:36:32,760 Speaker 1: Glenn Reynolds. He's a University of Tennessee law professor and 1721 01:36:33,920 --> 01:36:37,320 Speaker 1: a member of USA Today's Board of Contributors. He is 1722 01:36:37,360 --> 01:36:41,679 Speaker 1: an op ed in USA Today, the Suicide of Expertise. Glenn. 1723 01:36:41,760 --> 01:36:46,880 Speaker 1: Great to have you, Glen, great to have you. But 1724 01:36:47,040 --> 01:36:50,280 Speaker 1: I don't think we do. I think we we had 1725 01:36:50,360 --> 01:36:53,000 Speaker 1: Glenn and he was gonna hang out with us, and 1726 01:36:53,120 --> 01:36:56,439 Speaker 1: then we lost Glen, and so now I think we'll 1727 01:36:56,439 --> 01:36:57,640 Speaker 1: have to see if we can get him back on 1728 01:36:58,240 --> 01:37:00,400 Speaker 1: I don't know. Whenever, whenever a guest calls in on 1729 01:37:00,439 --> 01:37:03,000 Speaker 1: the Skype connection, it's it's it can be a little, 1730 01:37:03,080 --> 01:37:04,720 Speaker 1: it can be a little dicey. I like to kick 1731 01:37:04,720 --> 01:37:08,640 Speaker 1: at old school landline phones. Everybody, landline phones are the 1732 01:37:08,680 --> 01:37:10,760 Speaker 1: way to go. Well, here's the the idea that I 1733 01:37:10,840 --> 01:37:13,200 Speaker 1: wanted to talk to Glenn about which I'll just speak 1734 01:37:13,200 --> 01:37:14,800 Speaker 1: to you about it for a few minutes myself here. 1735 01:37:15,840 --> 01:37:19,320 Speaker 1: And that is a follow up to our conversation with 1736 01:37:19,600 --> 01:37:24,080 Speaker 1: Tom Nichols, who has his book about expertise that we 1737 01:37:24,360 --> 01:37:27,640 Speaker 1: talked about UM and how he believes that thesis of 1738 01:37:27,680 --> 01:37:34,160 Speaker 1: his book is that people reject expertise UM. They they 1739 01:37:34,280 --> 01:37:39,360 Speaker 1: decide that in that immortal New Yorker cartoon where you 1740 01:37:39,439 --> 01:37:41,000 Speaker 1: have a guy set up these pilots are out of 1741 01:37:41,040 --> 01:37:43,080 Speaker 1: touch with regular people like us, who thinks I should 1742 01:37:43,080 --> 01:37:46,880 Speaker 1: fly the plane, Which was interesting because the reactions to 1743 01:37:46,960 --> 01:37:49,160 Speaker 1: that were very much it was really like a roor 1744 01:37:49,240 --> 01:37:53,840 Speaker 1: shock test in the form of a cartoon, because the 1745 01:37:53,880 --> 01:37:56,360 Speaker 1: reactions that told us a lot about where one stands 1746 01:37:56,479 --> 01:38:01,679 Speaker 1: on the issue of the elites in society. And it's 1747 01:38:01,720 --> 01:38:05,080 Speaker 1: it's very interesting to watch this, watch this continue to 1748 01:38:05,160 --> 01:38:07,759 Speaker 1: be a topic of discussion. Here's how I think it matters. 1749 01:38:08,479 --> 01:38:10,599 Speaker 1: First of all, as I've been talking to you, it's 1750 01:38:10,640 --> 01:38:13,599 Speaker 1: like I'm bringing the whole show here full circle about 1751 01:38:13,680 --> 01:38:17,640 Speaker 1: how the central problem is central planning UM, and that 1752 01:38:17,760 --> 01:38:20,960 Speaker 1: this is what really the the ideology of the Democrat 1753 01:38:21,040 --> 01:38:28,920 Speaker 1: Party in this country, which largely borrows from social democrat 1754 01:38:29,000 --> 01:38:31,599 Speaker 1: ideology in other countries, it's very similar a lot of ways. 1755 01:38:33,160 --> 01:38:35,960 Speaker 1: Is based on, in large part, the notion that there 1756 01:38:36,000 --> 01:38:39,920 Speaker 1: will be people who are better at things than you 1757 01:38:40,080 --> 01:38:43,160 Speaker 1: and they should make those decisions for you, and the 1758 01:38:43,280 --> 01:38:47,000 Speaker 1: track record of that, especially the context I've been talking about. 1759 01:38:47,520 --> 01:38:49,479 Speaker 1: You know, there's there's a doctor that you meet with 1760 01:38:49,560 --> 01:38:52,560 Speaker 1: as an individual and that you will decide what the 1761 01:38:52,720 --> 01:38:55,400 Speaker 1: best health care. Of course that that's sensible and that's 1762 01:38:55,760 --> 01:38:59,840 Speaker 1: a good idea, but one doctor in DC deciding what 1763 01:39:00,000 --> 01:39:03,200 Speaker 1: everybody should do across the country, whether it's about heart 1764 01:39:03,240 --> 01:39:07,640 Speaker 1: disease or it's about uh dietary guidelines. You start to 1765 01:39:07,680 --> 01:39:11,880 Speaker 1: see how this this begins to create its own problems. 1766 01:39:12,320 --> 01:39:15,800 Speaker 1: And the track record of even very smart people, whether 1767 01:39:15,840 --> 01:39:19,360 Speaker 1: we're talking about those who run the FED and Fannie 1768 01:39:19,400 --> 01:39:21,679 Speaker 1: and Freddie and oh yeah all that with the financial 1769 01:39:21,760 --> 01:39:26,080 Speaker 1: crisis versus those who or their their track record rather 1770 01:39:26,240 --> 01:39:29,880 Speaker 1: is not particularly good. And in recent years I think 1771 01:39:29,880 --> 01:39:33,439 Speaker 1: people have started to feel like, um, that that's a 1772 01:39:33,560 --> 01:39:35,240 Speaker 1: problem that should be addressed. So this is the other 1773 01:39:35,320 --> 01:39:37,880 Speaker 1: side of that equation. I believe we have Glenn who 1774 01:39:38,000 --> 01:39:40,280 Speaker 1: want to talk to us about his USA today op ED. 1775 01:39:40,479 --> 01:39:44,639 Speaker 1: Now Glenn is that you sir, Hey, we got you there. Yeah, 1776 01:39:44,800 --> 01:39:47,320 Speaker 1: we can hear you. Now. I like it. So let's talk. 1777 01:39:47,400 --> 01:39:49,880 Speaker 1: Let's talk a bit about your piece of suicide of expertise. 1778 01:39:50,000 --> 01:39:52,240 Speaker 1: I was doing a little groundwork on this people, a 1779 01:39:52,280 --> 01:39:55,640 Speaker 1: little laying the groundwork beforehand. Uh, you walk us through this. 1780 01:39:55,800 --> 01:39:57,760 Speaker 1: But we did have Tom Nichols, who you mentioned the 1781 01:39:57,840 --> 01:39:59,920 Speaker 1: first paragraph here. We had him on I think about 1782 01:39:59,920 --> 01:40:03,840 Speaker 1: a week ago. So you take a different view on this. Yeah. Well, 1783 01:40:03,880 --> 01:40:06,000 Speaker 1: in fact, by piece sort of was kicking off from 1784 01:40:06,120 --> 01:40:09,280 Speaker 1: a tweet that Foreign Affairs sat where they said that 1785 01:40:09,320 --> 01:40:12,839 Speaker 1: Americans reject the advice of experts so as to insulate 1786 01:40:12,920 --> 01:40:15,880 Speaker 1: their fragile egos from ever being told wrong. And that 1787 01:40:15,960 --> 01:40:19,280 Speaker 1: was plugging a piece by Tom Nichols. Uh, there's certainly 1788 01:40:19,320 --> 01:40:21,639 Speaker 1: some people with fragile egos who want to be told 1789 01:40:21,680 --> 01:40:24,400 Speaker 1: they're wrong. We see a lot of that on college campuses. 1790 01:40:25,280 --> 01:40:27,920 Speaker 1: But you know, as I said, the experts don't have 1791 01:40:28,000 --> 01:40:29,920 Speaker 1: the kind of authority they used to have because theyn't 1792 01:40:29,920 --> 01:40:31,280 Speaker 1: have the kind of track record they used to have. 1793 01:40:31,479 --> 01:40:35,960 Speaker 1: I mean, fifty years ago, the experts had given us vaccines, antibiotics, 1794 01:40:36,080 --> 01:40:39,160 Speaker 1: jet airplanes, nuclear power, and space flight, and the idea 1795 01:40:39,240 --> 01:40:41,160 Speaker 1: that they might really know what was best seemed you know, 1796 01:40:41,320 --> 01:40:44,040 Speaker 1: fairly plausible. But now we look at what they've done 1797 01:40:44,040 --> 01:40:46,040 Speaker 1: for us lately, and not only do we never get 1798 01:40:46,040 --> 01:40:48,519 Speaker 1: our moon bases or flying cars like they promised us, 1799 01:40:48,880 --> 01:40:51,080 Speaker 1: which is a swore point with me, but they did 1800 01:40:51,160 --> 01:40:54,840 Speaker 1: bring us, you know, Vietnam. Uh, as explained in the 1801 01:40:55,280 --> 01:40:57,920 Speaker 1: David Happe's Howard Stam's The Best and the Brightest. Uh. 1802 01:40:58,000 --> 01:41:01,040 Speaker 1: They brought us the financial crisis. Uh, they brought us 1803 01:41:01,200 --> 01:41:03,759 Speaker 1: federal nutrition guidelines that just seemed to make people fatter 1804 01:41:03,920 --> 01:41:06,400 Speaker 1: and fatter. And in foreign affairs, which you think the 1805 01:41:06,439 --> 01:41:09,519 Speaker 1: people in foreign affairs would pay the most attention to history, 1806 01:41:09,520 --> 01:41:13,240 Speaker 1: has been especially awful. I mean they I was actually 1807 01:41:13,240 --> 01:41:16,160 Speaker 1: just talking about Susan Rice and how she and Samantha 1808 01:41:16,200 --> 01:41:18,519 Speaker 1: Power and Hillary Clinton are maybe the most disastrous troyka 1809 01:41:18,640 --> 01:41:21,080 Speaker 1: and foreign policy history. But she's back in the Washington 1810 01:41:21,120 --> 01:41:23,519 Speaker 1: Post with an OpenD today saying, if you can believe it, 1811 01:41:23,640 --> 01:41:26,360 Speaker 1: that the president shouldn't lie to the people like you 1812 01:41:26,439 --> 01:41:30,360 Speaker 1: know she did about ben Ghazi and stuff. Uh, Glenn, 1813 01:41:31,360 --> 01:41:33,280 Speaker 1: I think part of this, I'm sorry, I didn't mean 1814 01:41:33,280 --> 01:41:36,599 Speaker 1: to cut. You're gonna say that Syria was a debacle 1815 01:41:36,640 --> 01:41:39,360 Speaker 1: on the administration, and it certainly was um But as 1816 01:41:39,439 --> 01:41:42,040 Speaker 1: I see it, and this is from somebody who looked 1817 01:41:42,040 --> 01:41:45,600 Speaker 1: at going to different graduate programs before I decided to 1818 01:41:45,640 --> 01:41:47,519 Speaker 1: go to media instead, you know, I decided to just 1819 01:41:47,640 --> 01:41:50,599 Speaker 1: join the circus instead of actually getting an advanced degree. 1820 01:41:50,640 --> 01:41:52,240 Speaker 1: So we'll see it. We'll see how that works out. 1821 01:41:53,280 --> 01:41:57,559 Speaker 1: But there are all these different areas where experts I mean, 1822 01:41:57,560 --> 01:41:59,479 Speaker 1: I think in this applies specifically to some of the 1823 01:41:59,520 --> 01:42:04,280 Speaker 1: things you're talking about, the social sciences, politics, where expertise 1824 01:42:04,560 --> 01:42:08,920 Speaker 1: is a very amorphous concept to begin with, let me 1825 01:42:09,000 --> 01:42:11,200 Speaker 1: give you what I mean. But and at foreign policy, 1826 01:42:12,160 --> 01:42:14,400 Speaker 1: what does that even mean? To have worked in foreign 1827 01:42:14,439 --> 01:42:16,960 Speaker 1: policy does not necessarily mean you're good at foreign policy 1828 01:42:17,080 --> 01:42:18,640 Speaker 1: or smart. It means you've got a job somewhere in 1829 01:42:18,720 --> 01:42:21,600 Speaker 1: the government where you're working on issues that touch on 1830 01:42:21,680 --> 01:42:24,720 Speaker 1: foreign policy. Right. Uh. To have even been a very 1831 01:42:24,800 --> 01:42:28,160 Speaker 1: senior government official on whether you're talking about somebody who 1832 01:42:28,240 --> 01:42:31,280 Speaker 1: runs the State Department or somebody who's a national security advisor, 1833 01:42:31,600 --> 01:42:33,960 Speaker 1: does not mean that you are truly expert in the 1834 01:42:34,120 --> 01:42:36,280 Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton was not a foreign policy expert when she 1835 01:42:36,320 --> 01:42:39,400 Speaker 1: became Secretary of State by any normal definition of real 1836 01:42:39,439 --> 01:42:42,120 Speaker 1: expert pills. Oh she was a senator and yeah, okay whatever, 1837 01:42:42,160 --> 01:42:44,840 Speaker 1: her staff gave her talking points about things. Great. Uh 1838 01:42:45,080 --> 01:42:46,760 Speaker 1: so that I think that has to be a part 1839 01:42:46,800 --> 01:42:48,640 Speaker 1: of this discussion as well, and I wanted you to 1840 01:42:49,040 --> 01:42:50,840 Speaker 1: weigh in on that. I mean, I've had I took 1841 01:42:50,880 --> 01:42:54,160 Speaker 1: socio sociology class in college and I just had to laugh. 1842 01:42:54,200 --> 01:42:56,240 Speaker 1: I was like, this is this person has a PhD 1843 01:42:56,360 --> 01:42:58,360 Speaker 1: to tell me this, This is he's telling me nothing. 1844 01:42:58,479 --> 01:43:01,439 Speaker 1: This is just all debatable, nonset. Well, you know what 1845 01:43:01,520 --> 01:43:05,360 Speaker 1: a my readers actually uh comment on my blog pretty intelligently. 1846 01:43:05,439 --> 01:43:08,360 Speaker 1: He said, expertise worked to tell about the mid sixties 1847 01:43:08,439 --> 01:43:10,599 Speaker 1: when people realize that as long as you could claim 1848 01:43:10,640 --> 01:43:12,600 Speaker 1: you're an expert, you'd have a lot more influence than 1849 01:43:12,640 --> 01:43:15,640 Speaker 1: you otherwise would have. So they credential themselves in a 1850 01:43:15,760 --> 01:43:19,080 Speaker 1: variety of ways to give themselves more influence in politics. 1851 01:43:19,760 --> 01:43:21,880 Speaker 1: But then he didn't waste their time actually learning stuff 1852 01:43:21,880 --> 01:43:24,400 Speaker 1: anymore because that wasn't their goal. And I think that's 1853 01:43:24,400 --> 01:43:29,200 Speaker 1: about right. Yeah. I as a commentator, I don't try 1854 01:43:29,240 --> 01:43:32,280 Speaker 1: to take up the mantle of being a journalist, but 1855 01:43:32,400 --> 01:43:33,960 Speaker 1: as a commentator, I have to say I find it 1856 01:43:34,040 --> 01:43:36,040 Speaker 1: interesting to watch so many journalists who are in a 1857 01:43:36,160 --> 01:43:40,920 Speaker 1: profession where the barriers to entry, especially in the Internet age, 1858 01:43:41,000 --> 01:43:44,920 Speaker 1: are can you read? Can you write reasonably well on 1859 01:43:45,040 --> 01:43:47,680 Speaker 1: both of those fronts? Uh? And then you you can 1860 01:43:47,800 --> 01:43:50,200 Speaker 1: do this job. Of course, it's very hard, and there 1861 01:43:50,200 --> 01:43:52,120 Speaker 1: are people do it much better than others, but you 1862 01:43:52,240 --> 01:43:55,599 Speaker 1: can do it. And I think that there's a uh, 1863 01:43:56,040 --> 01:44:00,479 Speaker 1: there's an irritation among the journalistic establishment with people recognizing 1864 01:44:00,520 --> 01:44:02,479 Speaker 1: that more and more that that there's no magic to 1865 01:44:02,560 --> 01:44:04,920 Speaker 1: what people are doing. Yeah, there's some general guidelines that 1866 01:44:04,960 --> 01:44:06,559 Speaker 1: I don't think a lot of the major newsrooms take 1867 01:44:06,640 --> 01:44:10,200 Speaker 1: very seriously. But the media likes to think of themselves 1868 01:44:10,320 --> 01:44:13,680 Speaker 1: as expert in doing media. And you know, anybody with 1869 01:44:13,760 --> 01:44:16,719 Speaker 1: an Internet Internet account and or you know ip address 1870 01:44:16,840 --> 01:44:20,320 Speaker 1: and Twitter and Facebook can basically become their own media brand. 1871 01:44:20,360 --> 01:44:24,160 Speaker 1: Now become their own journalist. And what I think journalists 1872 01:44:24,160 --> 01:44:27,080 Speaker 1: particularly hate is, uh, readers and viewers could judge you 1873 01:44:27,160 --> 01:44:29,719 Speaker 1: by your track record, and they don't like that because 1874 01:44:30,000 --> 01:44:32,560 Speaker 1: their track record isn't great and they must prefer to 1875 01:44:32,600 --> 01:44:36,040 Speaker 1: have a novel so it doesn't matter. Uh. Now, what 1876 01:44:36,280 --> 01:44:38,960 Speaker 1: is your recommendation? Then? Do you think that experts should 1877 01:44:39,000 --> 01:44:41,280 Speaker 1: be uh? That that I do you think that you 1878 01:44:41,360 --> 01:44:43,120 Speaker 1: agree that there needs to be a different sense of 1879 01:44:43,200 --> 01:44:45,479 Speaker 1: what an expert is, that the credentialing should be, that 1880 01:44:45,479 --> 01:44:48,040 Speaker 1: people shouldn't be impressed with. I was told, for example, 1881 01:44:48,400 --> 01:44:52,040 Speaker 1: don't go to journalism school because you become a journalist. Right. 1882 01:44:52,120 --> 01:44:54,680 Speaker 1: I got a job at the CIA without getting a 1883 01:44:54,880 --> 01:44:57,680 Speaker 1: masters and international relations or anything, because if you want 1884 01:44:57,720 --> 01:44:59,560 Speaker 1: to work in the intelligence community, the best thing to 1885 01:44:59,600 --> 01:45:01,680 Speaker 1: do is we're in the intelligence community. I feel like 1886 01:45:01,760 --> 01:45:04,320 Speaker 1: that's been lost now. Everyone is now expected to get 1887 01:45:04,320 --> 01:45:07,840 Speaker 1: an undergrad degree and to get some professional degree above 1888 01:45:07,920 --> 01:45:10,559 Speaker 1: that to be quote an expert. But just doing something 1889 01:45:10,840 --> 01:45:13,360 Speaker 1: and doing it well is its own form of expertise. 1890 01:45:13,479 --> 01:45:16,040 Speaker 1: I think. I think that's right. I mean, the pressure 1891 01:45:16,080 --> 01:45:20,400 Speaker 1: nowadays is to be credential not even necessarily to be educated. Uh, 1892 01:45:20,520 --> 01:45:23,400 Speaker 1: and that's not that valuable. I mean. There's an old 1893 01:45:23,400 --> 01:45:26,240 Speaker 1: story about HL Lincoln when he was a columnist. People 1894 01:45:26,280 --> 01:45:28,280 Speaker 1: from the State Department came and wanted to talk to 1895 01:45:28,360 --> 01:45:30,519 Speaker 1: him because they thought he had special sources of information 1896 01:45:30,600 --> 01:45:33,240 Speaker 1: on foreign affairs, and he said, well, no, I just 1897 01:45:33,439 --> 01:45:35,360 Speaker 1: you know, read all the newspapers and think about them 1898 01:45:35,360 --> 01:45:37,040 Speaker 1: and compare what people say now to what they were 1899 01:45:37,080 --> 01:45:39,280 Speaker 1: saying a year ago, and apparently that was a real 1900 01:45:39,320 --> 01:45:42,599 Speaker 1: cutting edge technique then and it's still kind of is. Yeah, 1901 01:45:42,680 --> 01:45:46,719 Speaker 1: you can if you read enough of the front pages 1902 01:45:46,920 --> 01:45:49,000 Speaker 1: and and if you were to spend enough of your 1903 01:45:49,040 --> 01:45:52,280 Speaker 1: time reading major news sources, you have a really good 1904 01:45:52,320 --> 01:45:54,200 Speaker 1: sense of what's going on in the world. And you'll know, 1905 01:45:54,439 --> 01:45:55,960 Speaker 1: you know, I know people that have never been in 1906 01:45:56,040 --> 01:45:58,559 Speaker 1: North Korea, and I've heard their analysis of North Korea. 1907 01:45:58,600 --> 01:46:02,040 Speaker 1: I'm like, that's pretty astute. So well, and then of 1908 01:46:02,080 --> 01:46:03,559 Speaker 1: course you could be right in the belly of the beast, 1909 01:46:03,600 --> 01:46:06,040 Speaker 1: getting classified briefings all day long and not have the 1910 01:46:06,080 --> 01:46:08,599 Speaker 1: slightest idea what you're doing. And we've certainly seen plenty 1911 01:46:08,600 --> 01:46:10,800 Speaker 1: of evidence of that. Yeah, I know total idiots who 1912 01:46:10,880 --> 01:46:13,880 Speaker 1: had the highest level clearance one could have. And I 1913 01:46:14,000 --> 01:46:16,360 Speaker 1: was always amazed at and I'm not gonna just call 1914 01:46:16,400 --> 01:46:18,400 Speaker 1: out members of Congress here, but I mean, I'm not 1915 01:46:18,439 --> 01:46:20,880 Speaker 1: gonna not do that. I was amazed at how little 1916 01:46:20,920 --> 01:46:24,240 Speaker 1: some of them would retain. Yeah, well, you know, there's 1917 01:46:24,280 --> 01:46:27,760 Speaker 1: no i Q test for Congress. I know, it's it's 1918 01:46:27,800 --> 01:46:30,760 Speaker 1: an astonishing thing to watch. So, Glen, anything else you 1919 01:46:30,840 --> 01:46:32,160 Speaker 1: were going to be working on this week or you 1920 01:46:32,160 --> 01:46:33,840 Speaker 1: want to direct people to and I got your piece 1921 01:46:33,840 --> 01:46:38,200 Speaker 1: here on USA Today. Well, I mean, I would encourage you. 1922 01:46:38,240 --> 01:46:40,559 Speaker 1: I've got a post on my blog now about Susan 1923 01:46:40,680 --> 01:46:43,839 Speaker 1: Rice's audacity and saying that it's troubling when the president 1924 01:46:43,880 --> 01:46:47,559 Speaker 1: twists the truth given her record on a number of events, 1925 01:46:47,560 --> 01:46:49,280 Speaker 1: you know, they set her out to the Sunday shows 1926 01:46:49,320 --> 01:46:51,280 Speaker 1: to pedal a lie that they knew to be a 1927 01:46:51,320 --> 01:46:53,960 Speaker 1: lie at the time, that the big Ghazi attacks were 1928 01:46:54,000 --> 01:46:56,280 Speaker 1: caused by a YouTube video. And I think it's actually 1929 01:46:56,320 --> 01:46:58,719 Speaker 1: pretty disgraceful at the Washington Post gave her that spot 1930 01:46:58,880 --> 01:47:02,479 Speaker 1: and that headline given her track record. We hear all 1931 01:47:02,560 --> 01:47:04,080 Speaker 1: the time from people that, you know, members of the 1932 01:47:04,080 --> 01:47:06,519 Speaker 1: Trump administration, you've lied should be cut out, you know, 1933 01:47:06,600 --> 01:47:09,280 Speaker 1: Kelly and Conwoy, shouldn't be allowed on MSNBC anymore or whatever. 1934 01:47:09,560 --> 01:47:11,519 Speaker 1: But they don't treat the Obama people that way. And 1935 01:47:11,560 --> 01:47:13,320 Speaker 1: the reason they don't treat the Obama people that ways 1936 01:47:13,400 --> 01:47:16,000 Speaker 1: if they didn't have lying Obama officials on, they wouldn't 1937 01:47:16,000 --> 01:47:18,760 Speaker 1: have any x Obama officials on. And I have to 1938 01:47:18,840 --> 01:47:22,360 Speaker 1: say when you when you look at the way that 1939 01:47:22,479 --> 01:47:26,400 Speaker 1: people talk about fake news now and then you'll have 1940 01:47:26,840 --> 01:47:29,960 Speaker 1: I've seen I've seen Brian Williams segments recently where he's 1941 01:47:30,000 --> 01:47:33,120 Speaker 1: talking about journalistic ethics. I've seen Dan Rather brought on 1942 01:47:33,320 --> 01:47:36,360 Speaker 1: CNN to talk about how to be a real journalist, 1943 01:47:36,400 --> 01:47:40,920 Speaker 1: and I'm like, no, this is not acceptable, folks. That 1944 01:47:41,000 --> 01:47:42,840 Speaker 1: goes back to the part about remembering what people said 1945 01:47:42,960 --> 01:47:45,280 Speaker 1: last year. They don't like that. Yeah, I know it 1946 01:47:45,320 --> 01:47:48,519 Speaker 1: can be tough. Um. Glenn Reynolds is a U T. 1947 01:47:48,960 --> 01:47:52,440 Speaker 1: Law professor, author of The New School, How the Information 1948 01:47:52,520 --> 01:47:55,240 Speaker 1: Age will Save American Education from itself, and he's got 1949 01:47:55,320 --> 01:47:57,920 Speaker 1: a piece up on USA Today where he is a columnist. Glenn, 1950 01:47:58,280 --> 01:48:01,360 Speaker 1: thanks for making the time, have a great today, Thanks 1951 01:48:01,439 --> 01:48:03,360 Speaker 1: for having me. Team. We're gonna hit a break and 1952 01:48:03,479 --> 01:48:08,840 Speaker 1: close out the show strong. I don't talk that much 1953 01:48:08,840 --> 01:48:12,479 Speaker 1: about football here on the show. Well, for one, it's 1954 01:48:12,520 --> 01:48:15,200 Speaker 1: not football season, so that's and and I haven't been 1955 01:48:15,240 --> 01:48:18,360 Speaker 1: on the show during football season, so I suppose that 1956 01:48:18,439 --> 01:48:20,320 Speaker 1: that all makes It makes a bit of sense in 1957 01:48:20,439 --> 01:48:23,479 Speaker 1: and of itself. But football is of course a football 1958 01:48:23,520 --> 01:48:26,799 Speaker 1: players in the headlines right now for a couple of reasons, 1959 01:48:27,360 --> 01:48:33,200 Speaker 1: and Mr Colin Kaepernick it's having trouble finding a another 1960 01:48:33,320 --> 01:48:35,559 Speaker 1: place that will pay him, another football team that will 1961 01:48:35,560 --> 01:48:39,360 Speaker 1: pay him tens of millions of dollars, and this comes 1962 01:48:39,400 --> 01:48:42,599 Speaker 1: after last season he made quite a stir by taking 1963 01:48:42,640 --> 01:48:46,160 Speaker 1: a knee during the national anthem, which a lot of 1964 01:48:46,200 --> 01:48:50,120 Speaker 1: people found to be very disrespectful, I including myself, I 1965 01:48:50,320 --> 01:48:52,720 Speaker 1: think that it's a fact. It's fascinating to watch this 1966 01:48:52,760 --> 01:48:57,000 Speaker 1: play out where people um want the benefits of free 1967 01:48:57,040 --> 01:48:58,720 Speaker 1: speech when they think it's going their way, and then 1968 01:48:58,760 --> 01:49:01,960 Speaker 1: they want to claim that there's censorship or there's some 1969 01:49:02,080 --> 01:49:06,600 Speaker 1: nefarious something or other going on the moment that a 1970 01:49:07,800 --> 01:49:11,439 Speaker 1: company or some organization that does not owe you, does 1971 01:49:11,520 --> 01:49:14,240 Speaker 1: not have to hire you or pay you anything, and 1972 01:49:14,400 --> 01:49:17,719 Speaker 1: can take your speech and your public pronouncements into account 1973 01:49:17,760 --> 01:49:20,519 Speaker 1: when it's making decisions about hiring. The moment it goes 1974 01:49:20,560 --> 01:49:24,639 Speaker 1: against someone, then it's all the martyr routine. Oh look 1975 01:49:24,680 --> 01:49:26,800 Speaker 1: what they're doing to me. It's so terrible. I'm just 1976 01:49:26,920 --> 01:49:29,880 Speaker 1: standing up for truth and justice, Like, no, you were kneeling. 1977 01:49:29,920 --> 01:49:34,479 Speaker 1: You're kneeling to the national anthem. And that bothers people 1978 01:49:35,560 --> 01:49:37,760 Speaker 1: for reasons that I don't think I have to go 1979 01:49:37,840 --> 01:49:42,400 Speaker 1: into here. They're pretty self explanatory. But Trump during the 1980 01:49:42,520 --> 01:49:46,760 Speaker 1: rally last night in Louisville, which I enjoy, saying I'm 1981 01:49:46,800 --> 01:49:49,559 Speaker 1: getting closer and closer. I'm told by Kentucky natives who 1982 01:49:49,600 --> 01:49:52,599 Speaker 1: listen to the show, They're like, you're getting closer. Louisville 1983 01:49:53,680 --> 01:49:57,880 Speaker 1: that that Trump mentioned Kaepernick last night during the rally 1984 01:49:58,240 --> 01:50:01,920 Speaker 1: out in Kentucky. And this is what Trump said. There 1985 01:50:02,000 --> 01:50:08,000 Speaker 1: was an article today is reported that NFL owners don't 1986 01:50:08,120 --> 01:50:11,360 Speaker 1: want to pick him up because they don't want to 1987 01:50:11,479 --> 01:50:14,720 Speaker 1: get a nasty tweet from Donald Trump. Do you believe that? 1988 01:50:20,600 --> 01:50:25,760 Speaker 1: I just saw that. I just saw that. I said, 1989 01:50:25,760 --> 01:50:27,720 Speaker 1: if I remember that one, I'm going to report it 1990 01:50:27,800 --> 01:50:31,120 Speaker 1: to the people of Kentucky because they like it when 1991 01:50:31,240 --> 01:50:37,960 Speaker 1: people actually stand for the American flag. Right. Trump understands 1992 01:50:38,000 --> 01:50:42,679 Speaker 1: his audience. His rallies are incredibly entertaining. The the energy 1993 01:50:42,760 --> 01:50:45,960 Speaker 1: of the crowd really comes through on the screen when 1994 01:50:45,960 --> 01:50:48,000 Speaker 1: you're watching. It even comes through an audio when you're 1995 01:50:48,040 --> 01:50:51,240 Speaker 1: listening to it. But but yeah, you have the President 1996 01:50:51,320 --> 01:50:54,920 Speaker 1: Nited States mentioning this Kaepernick issue. Isn't it incredible when 1997 01:50:54,920 --> 01:51:00,400 Speaker 1: you think about how now any issue in the right 1998 01:51:00,920 --> 01:51:05,160 Speaker 1: or in a specific political context, any small gesture can 1999 01:51:05,280 --> 01:51:09,479 Speaker 1: turn into something that is a national news story. Uh. 2000 01:51:09,600 --> 01:51:11,280 Speaker 1: And in this case, you've got a very famous guy 2001 01:51:11,320 --> 01:51:13,960 Speaker 1: who's doing something quite publicly. But I'm just saying in general, 2002 01:51:14,360 --> 01:51:17,080 Speaker 1: you wouldn't think that the president United States would weigh 2003 01:51:17,120 --> 01:51:21,840 Speaker 1: in on the contract troubles of an NFL. I'm told 2004 01:51:21,920 --> 01:51:24,360 Speaker 1: these like not he's not that good, right, like, he's 2005 01:51:24,400 --> 01:51:27,599 Speaker 1: not that Yeah, I know my team here because they 2006 01:51:27,680 --> 01:51:30,320 Speaker 1: know the football, they're telling me that he's not really 2007 01:51:31,439 --> 01:51:34,360 Speaker 1: any any great great stuff out in the field anyway. 2008 01:51:35,320 --> 01:51:37,360 Speaker 1: But this is You're going to see more of this 2009 01:51:37,479 --> 01:51:41,639 Speaker 1: where people take these positions and they like the attention, 2010 01:51:42,000 --> 01:51:45,879 Speaker 1: they like to stand. This is now with social media especially, 2011 01:51:45,960 --> 01:51:49,040 Speaker 1: there's an amplifying effect of it, and you can get 2012 01:51:49,080 --> 01:51:52,639 Speaker 1: a short term you know, especially playing the martyr role. 2013 01:51:52,840 --> 01:51:55,360 Speaker 1: You know, oh look what's going on. I'm just speaking 2014 01:51:55,479 --> 01:51:57,360 Speaker 1: up for you know, my truth or I'm just the 2015 01:51:57,400 --> 01:51:59,479 Speaker 1: one that's I'm taking the need during the national anthem. 2016 01:51:59,479 --> 01:52:01,840 Speaker 1: I'm just trying to be to be honest about how 2017 01:52:01,880 --> 01:52:06,160 Speaker 1: I feel about that. And then you have people on 2018 01:52:06,240 --> 01:52:07,639 Speaker 1: your side who are of course going to come out 2019 01:52:07,640 --> 01:52:09,920 Speaker 1: and say, oh, well, you know, look at this he's 2020 01:52:09,960 --> 01:52:14,040 Speaker 1: be he's being so brave. But there's a correlarity to that, 2021 01:52:14,200 --> 01:52:16,280 Speaker 1: or that there's an equal and opposite reaction to it 2022 01:52:16,360 --> 01:52:18,200 Speaker 1: from the other side as well. People see this and 2023 01:52:18,280 --> 01:52:21,519 Speaker 1: they think to themselves, well, the case of Kaepernick, you know, 2024 01:52:21,600 --> 01:52:24,920 Speaker 1: what a jerk and what is he really taking a 2025 01:52:25,000 --> 01:52:27,040 Speaker 1: knee for? We start to ask questions, what are you 2026 01:52:27,120 --> 01:52:30,920 Speaker 1: really taking a knee for? Exactly? You believe that there's 2027 01:52:31,200 --> 01:52:34,320 Speaker 1: racist oppression in this country? Do you think you're taking 2028 01:52:34,360 --> 01:52:37,240 Speaker 1: a knee is going to make anything better? Now? I 2029 01:52:37,320 --> 01:52:40,120 Speaker 1: also think it's fair to point out that there have 2030 01:52:40,240 --> 01:52:46,040 Speaker 1: been other very political acts taken by uh by, not 2031 01:52:46,120 --> 01:52:49,519 Speaker 1: just NFL players, professional athletes, and they tend to have 2032 01:52:49,600 --> 01:52:52,080 Speaker 1: to deal with the consequences of that. In many cases 2033 01:52:52,280 --> 01:52:54,320 Speaker 1: they just let it go. Owners let it go, the 2034 01:52:54,400 --> 01:52:58,080 Speaker 1: teams let it go. It depends on what the specifics 2035 01:52:58,280 --> 01:53:01,439 Speaker 1: of the act are, what the moment is we're referring to. 2036 01:53:02,560 --> 01:53:04,920 Speaker 1: But the national anthem and taking a knee during that 2037 01:53:05,520 --> 01:53:09,680 Speaker 1: is just not something that the American people are over 2038 01:53:10,000 --> 01:53:11,880 Speaker 1: overwhelmingly that they're not going to be okay with that. 2039 01:53:12,000 --> 01:53:13,559 Speaker 1: They're not going to agree with you, they're not going 2040 01:53:13,600 --> 01:53:16,360 Speaker 1: to appreciate it, and they're actually gonna look down on 2041 01:53:16,760 --> 01:53:22,360 Speaker 1: such an active disrespect. And it is another example of 2042 01:53:23,600 --> 01:53:27,040 Speaker 1: an ideology that has left of center taking hold of 2043 01:53:27,120 --> 01:53:30,600 Speaker 1: someone in such a way that he or she believes 2044 01:53:30,840 --> 01:53:33,840 Speaker 1: that there can be a risk, that that there can 2045 01:53:33,880 --> 01:53:37,519 Speaker 1: be a risk free political stance, that you can have 2046 01:53:37,560 --> 01:53:41,200 Speaker 1: all the benefits without any of the drawbacks. He didn't 2047 01:53:41,240 --> 01:53:43,559 Speaker 1: think that this was going to backfire. And people are 2048 01:53:43,560 --> 01:53:45,000 Speaker 1: telling me, by the way, and maybe this is true, 2049 01:53:45,040 --> 01:53:46,840 Speaker 1: that it's not even the take in the knee, that's 2050 01:53:46,880 --> 01:53:48,719 Speaker 1: the reason that he's not getting picked up by the teams. 2051 01:53:48,720 --> 01:53:50,720 Speaker 1: It's that he's overpaid and he's not that good, which 2052 01:53:50,760 --> 01:53:53,680 Speaker 1: is also Hey, that's the free market at work. Um. 2053 01:53:53,880 --> 01:53:56,080 Speaker 1: But I do think it's interesting to see this now 2054 01:53:56,200 --> 01:53:59,960 Speaker 1: and others, not just in professional sports, but other celebrity 2055 01:54:00,000 --> 01:54:02,920 Speaker 1: These other famous people may just take a moment to 2056 01:54:02,960 --> 01:54:06,240 Speaker 1: stop and think about what the long term ramifications of 2057 01:54:06,560 --> 01:54:10,960 Speaker 1: using their non political position in the public eye to 2058 01:54:11,080 --> 01:54:13,479 Speaker 1: advance a political ideology or political point that may not 2059 01:54:13,520 --> 01:54:16,680 Speaker 1: be particularly well thought out. All right, that's gonna be 2060 01:54:16,720 --> 01:54:18,799 Speaker 1: it for the show today. As I said, please download 2061 01:54:18,880 --> 01:54:21,320 Speaker 1: buck section with American Now on iTunes. 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