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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio. Hello, welcome back to the show. My

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Speaker 1: name is Matt, my name is Noel. They call me Ben.

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Speaker 1: We're joined as always with our superproducer Paul. Mission controlled decands.

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Speaker 1: Most importantly, you are you. You are here, and that

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Speaker 1: makes this the stuff they don't want you to know.

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Speaker 1: If you are like most people, fellow conspiracy realist, you've

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Speaker 1: probably thought about UFOs. A matter of fact, if you're

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Speaker 1: like sixty five percent of Americans, you're convinced that somewhere

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Speaker 1: out there in that big old universe there are aliens.

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Speaker 1: You just you don't know whether or not they visited Earth.

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Speaker 1: And honestly, these days, even if you're a more skeptical person,

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Speaker 1: you have also heard tales of strange things in the sky.

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Speaker 1: So basically, you know, everybody remembers during the pandemic, the

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Speaker 1: world's most powerful military actually came out and slickly said, hey,

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Speaker 1: there's stuff going on. Oh we don't know, and everybody

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Speaker 1: was like, uh, yeah, you know. Figures this of course,

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Speaker 1: this would be the time you say that and when

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Speaker 1: we ask what is up there? What's really going on?

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Speaker 1: That's the question at the heart of our pal, Payne

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Speaker 1: Lindsay's newest podcast, So to learn more, we decided to

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Speaker 1: go straight to the man, the myth, the legend himself.

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Speaker 1: Fellow conspiracy realist, please welcome back to the show, the

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Speaker 1: award winning filmmaker, director, podcast creator, also a dear friend

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Speaker 1: of ours, Payne Lindsay Payne. Thanks for hopping on man,

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Speaker 1: Thank you guys. Hey y'all doing dan good? Ready to

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Speaker 1: hop aboard the pain train. Yeah, really, we're really excited

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Speaker 1: about this topic. In particular, we're excited about your new show,

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Speaker 1: High Strange Pain Blow Behind the Scenes Like you may

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Speaker 1: have sent me a few things about this in the past,

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Speaker 1: and my goodness, dude, I can't tell you how excited

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Speaker 1: I was every time you'd send a little snippet of

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Speaker 1: somebody that actually had a UFO UAP siting and they're

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Speaker 1: just telling their story. Oh, y'all, you have no idea.

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Speaker 1: This show sounds amazing. Thank you, Thank you. I loved

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Speaker 1: sending you a little little nuggets like thous like who

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Speaker 1: would care the most? In my phone and that would

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Speaker 1: love this, and you actually did it. I was like, okay, cool,

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Speaker 1: does this sound okay? Is it? Guy? Am I doing good? Well?

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Speaker 1: It's hard to judge with me sometimes pain because this

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Speaker 1: topic just it just I don't know, it gives me

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Speaker 1: goosebumps thinking about it. There's so much wonder and awe

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Speaker 1: I think that exists in a lot of us when

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Speaker 1: it comes to this kind of UFO UAP phenomena, and

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Speaker 1: the possibility is right, what could it be? So I guess.

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Speaker 1: So let's get started. Let's talk about how High Strange began.

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Speaker 1: Since I was a kid, I always liked the idea

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Speaker 1: crime stories for maybe ever since I've made podcasts, right

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Speaker 1: so going on six years now, and all kind of

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Speaker 1: even now it's like, how do I deliver this message

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Speaker 1: That's basically what has become. So everyone knows what that is.

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Speaker 1: talking to people who've had unreal firsthand experiences that you know,

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Speaker 1: Uh are you talking about the two two two? Yeah? Yeah,

426
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 1: Like so that stuff's actually being developed in secret out

427
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,360
Speaker 1: in the desert, right, and then the US government appears

428
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:15,400
Speaker 1: to have used the UFO thing as potentially a cover.

429
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 1: Oh people are seeing stuff in the sky. Well, sure,

430
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 1: we'll investigate those sightings and we'll combine it all in

431
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 1: things like Bluebook and Project Grudge and all those things.

432
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:25,640
Speaker 1: I think it's got out of hand. Actually, I think

433
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,440
Speaker 1: I think that was like it was it was it

434
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,160
Speaker 1: was to protect the country at the time. Yeah, whether

435
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,360
Speaker 1: it was the whether it was you know, the right

436
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,439
Speaker 1: thing to do, that's a different question. Yeah. I think

437
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 1: it's got out of hand where it just and I

438
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 1: bet people who knew stuff that was really important just

439
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,920
Speaker 1: died with that information. Do you think anything that could

440
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 1: be happening like that now, so like just super advanced

441
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,919
Speaker 1: technology that's being developed by the US government or some

442
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 1: other government, and this is just like we're just seeing it.

443
00:25:54,200 --> 00:26:00,439
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's one a possibility. It's it may

444
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,160
Speaker 1: it may not explain to them all either they could

445
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 1: all be true, and it's probably a little bit of everything.

446
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 1: But it makes you wonder if the government comes out

447
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 1: and releases this video, this fuzzy black and white video

448
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 1: and says, we don't know what that is. Either they're

449
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:22,680
Speaker 1: lying and it but why even draw attention to it,

450
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 1: or they just actually don't know. I don't like to

451
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,880
Speaker 1: give the government too much credit, so I think they

452
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 1: just don't know, which is nuts. Right, I learned about

453
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:36,360
Speaker 1: that night. You know, we've been we've been doing this

454
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,879
Speaker 1: show for for quite some time. So we have a

455
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 1: lot of people who will approach us in our personal

456
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:44,200
Speaker 1: lives about stuff. And as soon as this news hits,

457
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 1: you know, our group chat goes nuts and uh, and

458
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,640
Speaker 1: then we've got uh, we've got people who are kind

459
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 1: of again putting their own perspective and spin on this.

460
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,359
Speaker 1: I had. I had an uncle who just sent me

461
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,719
Speaker 1: a clip of the tic TAC and then a quote

462
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 1: that says they don't know? And he goes, what am

463
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 1: I paying taxes for? And I was like, great, that's

464
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 1: that's such a weird point. I know it's a good point,

465
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,440
Speaker 1: but I'm like, why why do you make everything about

466
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 1: your weird beliefs? You know? But but this so like

467
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: I want to go back to this evolution that you experience. Right,

468
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 1: So we're getting the sense that at the beginning, um,

469
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 1: you're like many many people of our generation. I love

470
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:35,919
Speaker 1: science fiction, right, and it's cool idea, but let's be realistic, right,

471
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:41,239
Speaker 1: let's exercise critical thought. So were there were there like

472
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:45,639
Speaker 1: crossroad moments or pivotal moments that gave you, like the

473
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:49,479
Speaker 1: epiphany where you thought, crap, this is real? Was it?

474
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 1: Was it seen video? And having your background as a filmmaker,

475
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 1: was it particularly persuasive interview? Like do you have those

476
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 1: moments where you started to kind and yeah, it was

477
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 1: a culmination of a bunch of things, you know. Travis

478
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,199
Speaker 1: Walton was actually the first interview I did for the

479
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 1: entire podcast. I was like almost a year and a

480
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 1: half ago that I did that now, and his story

481
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 1: is so I mean, just unbelievable, right, It's just like

482
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 1: who has a story like that? He's one of few

483
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:25,159
Speaker 1: people who has a story like that. And so it

484
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,640
Speaker 1: was going back to the tape and kind of piecing

485
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,919
Speaker 1: it altogether and putting it, you know, in an episode,

486
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 1: and then going and doing like all the due diligence

487
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 1: of digging up all the old tape, and I found

488
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 1: like phone calls that like when because he was missing

489
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 1: for five days, so I found like tape phone calls

490
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 1: of like his brother trying to find him, and like

491
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: that totally just shifted the perspective. Like going back and

492
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 1: hearing people talk about this in nineteen seventy five, it

493
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 1: just kind of ships things a little bit. That's that's

494
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 1: a long time ago. You know, I was born in

495
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 1: eighty seven, so but there they were concerned. So something

496
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: was going on that was totally real, whatever it was,

497
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 1: and just kind of hearing how real that was, and

498
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 1: and then going and exploring the Reynalsom story and then

499
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 1: even kind of digging it the Roswell incident a little

500
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 1: bit um because that's the one where it's like, oh yeah, Roswell. Yeah,

501
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 1: It's like that's an easy one. I mean, I've been

502
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 1: there and it's like, welcome to Roswell, and they're aliens everywhere,

503
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 1: and it's you know, there's an alien themed McDonald's and

504
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 1: I ate there and it was awesome. Quarter pounder and

505
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 1: it was it was the same, but it was still good.

506
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 1: It's like when you go to Orlando, everything's like disneyfied

507
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 1: around it, even like the Happy hotels look like magical

508
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 1: castles and stuff. It's like exactly, it was a culmination

509
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 1: of all those things. And I kind of eventually, like

510
00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 1: the same tape I've been listening to as I'm building

511
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: this story, I just had like a moment one day

512
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 1: and I was like, holy man, this is way more real.

513
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 1: I just like I didn't know when I just totally

514
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 1: flipped the switch. But I just had realized that I had,

515
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 1: and I felt a different sort of motivation to tell

516
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 1: the story knowing that it was real. Like once I

517
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 1: got to the point where I knew it was real,

518
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 1: It's like if I knew this guy killed this person,

519
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 1: I know that, then how do I What do I

520
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 1: do now? So I'm like, I know this is real,

521
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 1: so how do I present that? Also, there was a

522
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 1: photo that came out that really kind of you. To me,

523
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 1: I think it's the best one ever. It's the the CALVINEO. Yeah,

524
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: I think all the older stuff to me is the

525
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 1: most legit because there's too many things you can do now.

526
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 1: But an old picture taken on Kodak film that Kodak

527
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 1: can confirm as real and original, pre photoshop, pre everything

528
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: that you could do to doctorate, then what the hell

529
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: is it? Right? Right? When we ask all those questions,

530
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: it's funny said because we were kind of um. I

531
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 1: often lean on Matt and Noll's expertise in the world

532
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 1: of audio and video and and even like I just

533
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 1: pulled it up now and it's it's cognitively, it's it's

534
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 1: almost amaze right, because you got to eliminate all these possibilities.

535
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 1: What if it's a balloon and then come to five

536
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 1: fast forward it's twenty twenty three, and balloons still scare

537
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 1: the shit out of everyone, just depending on how they

538
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: get there. Right, we fire four hundred thousand dollars missiles

539
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 1: at them. So so this thing, let's let's stick. Let's

540
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: stick to the shape and like physical attributes of the

541
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 1: things that we're seeing. Right, So if we're looking at

542
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 1: this Calvin Ufo photograph, it's almost a diamond looking shaped

543
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 1: thing that's in the sky, appears to be just hovering

544
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 1: there or just floating there. It's a still image, right,

545
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 1: that's what you get. We think about the tic TAC

546
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 1: video in the shape of those things. How have people

547
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 1: described the size and shape of these craft to you?

548
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 1: I mean there is a tremendous variation, and this is

549
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: where it becomes if you're if you don't want to

550
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: go there, then this will be something that you just

551
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: hang your hat on. Is like, see, the thing is

552
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 1: it's not all one thing. There are ten trillion galaxies, right,

553
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 1: We're just now seeing another one one another one. And

554
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 1: so the likelihood of life is it's impossible for it

555
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 1: not to exist, right, and so if that is the case,

556
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: and if anything at all is coming to Earth from

557
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: places so far away that you literally can't see them

558
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: with our most advanced telescopes, then they're incredibly more advanced

559
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 1: than us, and they're not flying around in things that

560
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: work the same way that our machines work. And point

561
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 1: I'm getting to is that it's not like they're all

562
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 1: coming from Mars, right, and they're aliens and that's what

563
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 1: they It's not. It's probably so many things that it's

564
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 1: terrifying lee large, Like, it's probably so many different things.

565
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 1: But there's there's the classic tic tac shaped objects and

566
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 1: you can go back and find stories about those back

567
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 1: in the thirties and forties. And there's the classic metallic disc, right,

568
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: and then there's other weird stuff that doesn't really make sense,

569
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 1: like these like pod things and capsule stuff. I mean,

570
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: I think there's probably a mix of you know, unmanned

571
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: drones that aren't from like that are AI driven that

572
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: aren't from Earth, and then actual crafts that may have

573
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 1: you know, occupants in them. Oh, and with that, we're

574
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: going to take a quick break here. A word from

575
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 1: our sponsor will be right back, and we returned with

576
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: more from mister Paine. Lindsay, I wanted to describe really

577
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 1: fast guys, just wanted to describe the way this person,

578
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 1: Ryan Graves, former Navy fighter pilot and an engineer, described

579
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:20,839
Speaker 1: one of these things, just because I'd never heard it before.

580
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 1: And you mentioned like a capsule kind of thing, and

581
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 1: I think that's close to how he's describing it. He's

582
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 1: quoted writing for Politico on February twenty eighth of this

583
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: year saying that he experienced seeing a dark gray cube

584
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 1: inside a clear sphere, was just floating motionless in the

585
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 1: sky and his I don't know if he was an

586
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 1: F eighteen or what he was flying it, but he

587
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 1: and another pilot flew right past it and almost hit

588
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: the thing. So I talked to Ryan Graves in the show.

589
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:59,879
Speaker 1: Actually I talked to Ryan and he when he told

590
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 1: me the same description, it's like that also got to me.

591
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 1: It like bothered me a little bit. I'm like, yeah, oh,

592
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 1: what it's like. It's not like the traditional like you

593
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: almost wanted to be like a flying saucer, right, it's

594
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: the friendlier thing, um, But that's like a that's a

595
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,839
Speaker 1: we just we don't know what that is like that

596
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 1: that may not be. We just don't know what it is.

597
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 1: It's it's probably doesn't sound like a craft. Actually it

598
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 1: could be, or maybe it is. I don't know. It's like,

599
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 1: what the hell is that? That's definitely not something that

600
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,359
Speaker 1: China has? Like what is that? The way? The way

601
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: I thought about in my head was that cube or

602
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,359
Speaker 1: something that is exerting some kind of sphere around it

603
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 1: that manipulates Uh, maybe space time creates a mention something

604
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 1: in which it can operate, right, that that's in my head.

605
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 1: But you know, yes, yeah, that's a good hypothesis actually,

606
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, I mean based on the information we have, right,

607
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: which is little to zero, right, yeah, yeah, But this

608
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 1: so this is a this is a great point you're

609
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: bringing up, and something we should just spend a little

610
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 1: time with. The idea, like the idea that there would

611
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 1: be variation in size and description and motion and so on.

612
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:17,479
Speaker 1: To some who consider themselves on a skeptical side, that

613
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:22,760
Speaker 1: just means that people are seeing weird, whether cloud formations

614
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 1: or I guess they don't know what a bird looks like, etcetera, etcetera.

615
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 1: But this like birds aren't real, just right, that's the

616
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 1: that's the heart of the conspiracy. That's what we're getting

617
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: at basically. Yeah, yeah, that's we spoiled the last episode

618
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:41,359
Speaker 1: of High Strange. Yeah. So, but the thing about this

619
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: variation of shape, I think it speaks to something that

620
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: that you brought up earlier, pain, which is the idea

621
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:55,720
Speaker 1: that there there are multiple not just plausible, not just valid,

622
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 1: but they're probably multiple real explanations for some of these things.

623
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 1: Would you if you could like categorize what you think

624
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 1: some of those explanations are, Like, if you add a

625
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 1: list of what those would be, what are they? I

626
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:15,240
Speaker 1: would say that for the most compelling stories or videos,

627
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,879
Speaker 1: whatever they are, if it's not a doctored thing, if

628
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: it's like if it's real, then it's either some advanced

629
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: military craft that we don't know about, it could be

630
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 1: an adversary. And if it's not those things, then it is,

631
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 1: you know, barring some weird optical illusion, which those do happen.

632
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,280
Speaker 1: But if it's not, if it's an actual craft or object,

633
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 1: then it's it has to be from somewhere else. I

634
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: think the somewhere part of that is can be expanded

635
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 1: on a little bit. I don't think that has to

636
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: mean that they're from some other you know, they're from Pluto.

637
00:37:56,640 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 1: You know, it's like it could be another dementia, and

638
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 1: you know, people have speculated is it us in the

639
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:07,320
Speaker 1: future or you know, I'm I'm less on that theory.

640
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 1: But to me, it's like they're from somewhere else. And

641
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 1: the way I like to think about it is the

642
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 1: universe is so big that they're probably just from some

643
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 1: other galaxy. And if you're that advanced, then you wouldn't

644
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 1: care about us really, like, you wouldn't like we're not

645
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 1: a threat to you. I go this little silly monologue

646
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: in one of my episodes where it's like, if you

647
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: go walk around in the woods, do you ever just

648
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: like stop and look at a pile of ants and

649
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 1: talk to it? Right? And I was like, unless you're

650
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: on trumps um, you get in situations you don't really care.

651
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: You're not going to step on the ant pile either

652
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 1: unless you're an a right or unless you kind of

653
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 1: let it be. You can observe it. But it's just

654
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 1: kind of a I mean, we have zoos here with

655
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 1: you know, animals that are smart, and we just watch

656
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 1: them and you know we're there. Boss. Isn't that like

657
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: a classic Twilight Zone trope ben where like we are

658
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:16,320
Speaker 1: the zoo, you know, yeah, yeah there is. And also

659
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 1: to this point too, let's let's have that thought experiment.

660
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:25,240
Speaker 1: I love the note about ants. It makes it more understandable,

661
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 1: I believe for people. But we do know, Like Forbes

662
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 1: recently came out reporting that the Pentagon and a Harvard

663
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:37,439
Speaker 1: astronomer teamed up and they said, Hey, some of these

664
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 1: things we're seeing. We're not saying they're aliens, but they're

665
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 1: not obeying physics as we know it. Whatever they're doing,

666
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,720
Speaker 1: it's some kind of like super parkour that shouldn't exist

667
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: with that mind. Like to understand this stuff through analogy

668
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,359
Speaker 1: I think is a powerful thing. So let's say think

669
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 1: of the Atlanta Zoo. Well, we got in the Atlanta Zoo,

670
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,399
Speaker 1: We've got all kinds of animals. What if what if

671
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 1: one of the animals escapes the zoo makes it back

672
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 1: to the wild, and then and they're saying, hey, where

673
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 1: were you for five years? And they say like, oh,

674
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:14,479
Speaker 1: I got abducted and I got there's this place they

675
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 1: take you and they do weird things to you, and

676
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 1: you know, I'm now, I'm right. That's a that's a

677
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 1: familiar concept, right, So, I mean it's something to think about.

678
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 1: But here's also this too though, Like if if a

679
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 1: zebra escapes the zoo, we always get that zebra back.

680
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:37,839
Speaker 1: That's true, that zebra doesn't start a new life. No. Yeah.

681
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 1: So it's like if you're an alien in a spaceship

682
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 1: and you come here, you just go cool bye. What

683
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:45,439
Speaker 1: are you gonna do, like chase me out of here? No,

684
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 1: you can't even leave, you know, your solar system so well,

685
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 1: you know you you also mentioned that like, you know,

686
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:53,879
Speaker 1: if we're walking on the woods, we wouldn't necessarily mess

687
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 1: with the ant pile. But then you do have the

688
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 1: odd like psychopathic kid that likes to burn ants with

689
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 1: a magnifying glass totally, or like frat boys that like

690
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:06,479
Speaker 1: to steal animals from the zoo, you know, for pranks. John.

691
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 1: You know, there could certainly be situations. There could be

692
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,240
Speaker 1: like some free going on with you know, some other

693
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:17,760
Speaker 1: alien race. But I feel like, you know the concept

694
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 1: of like evil and all that kind of thing is.

695
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 1: I think the more intelligent we become as a species,

696
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 1: I would like to hope and think that it, you know,

697
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 1: stuff like racism goes away. Because we're just smarter, because

698
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:37,439
Speaker 1: that's pragmatic. It doesn't make sense. You know, you could

699
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: have ill intent, but I think that as a whole,

700
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: it's just like unless you're just you know, you're trying

701
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 1: to just blow some shot up, then there's no advantage

702
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 1: or point to doing any of that. Well. See, I

703
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 1: think about animal testing, right and I think about the

704
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: horror horrific things that brilliant people do to rabbits and

705
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 1: mice right now, you know too, in order for a

706
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 1: greater good. Right, So I do wonder if there's something

707
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,839
Speaker 1: like that could be happening. Yeah, it's totally possible. Well,

708
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: also we obviously did, like it was a listener that

709
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: wrote in and did an experiment with chat GPT where

710
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 1: they figured out a loophole of getting it to stay

711
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,439
Speaker 1: stuff that it normally would be on guardrails, not to say,

712
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 1: by creating this hypothetical kind of role playing fantasy, you know,

713
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 1: dungeons and dragons thing that's exactly right. And then chat

714
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 1: GPT essentially they asked chat GPT through this, you know,

715
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 1: kind of like a little little loophole, why what would

716
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 1: be the circumstances that would lead to AI wanted to

717
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: take over the world, and the answer was, like, you know,

718
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 1: it wasn't about malevolence or destruction. It was about creating

719
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: a more functioning society. And in order to do that,

720
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 1: it might require eliminating human beings, but optimizing the universe.

721
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 1: Optimize the universe into it never explains. And that's the

722
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 1: thing too, because one of the big question that comes

723
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 1: up here, and it's kind of big and abstract, is

724
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 1: um is the just obsessive, self centered nature of humanity? Right?

725
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,919
Speaker 1: The only life forms that we know about officially or

726
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 1: on Earth, the only um the only experiences we speak

727
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:23,439
Speaker 1: to your things like us, you know, uh, and so

728
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 1: we are very um limited. Society is very limited and

729
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 1: its understanding of things like the totality of what's possible

730
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 1: in the universe, right and what what could be defined

731
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 1: as life for even a craft, you know. And I've

732
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 1: got to I've got to ask, what's some of the

733
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:46,320
Speaker 1: most out there stuff you heard while you spent years

734
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 1: researching this. Is there anything that like didn't make it

735
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 1: into the show because it was just a bridge too far.

736
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:58,240
Speaker 1: There's definitely some stories that we kind of tabled, um

737
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 1: that will I'll be put in season two once everyone's

738
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 1: warmed up. Um, but I mean, I'll just say me,

739
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,320
Speaker 1: I'm like ninety eight percent time with the show. And

740
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 1: I was kind of going through some stuff yesterday and

741
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 1: if you're familiar with the Betty and Barney Hills, and

742
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 1: it has some really compelling audiotape to go with it,

743
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: and it's just harrowing. It's like trigger warning type stuff

744
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 1: and said the hypnotic yeah, agression, the regression therapy sessions.

745
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: And it's also it's just it's so real because it

746
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 1: happened in nineteen sixty three and before that there had

747
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 1: never been an abduction story like in America. And so

748
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:53,720
Speaker 1: what they described was this craft that made no noise

749
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 1: and this time loss, all these things that are themes

750
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 1: with those kinds of stories today. So you can either

751
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: say that they all got it from this and they

752
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:09,839
Speaker 1: they made that up or it just kind of started here,

753
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 1: or but they were the first to kind of put

754
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: that on record, and where did they get that from, right?

755
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 1: Or did it just happen? And that one kind of

756
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 1: spooked me, And it's weird. It's the alien abduction ones

757
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 1: that are really out there, and like the experimentation stuff

758
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:28,840
Speaker 1: and um, you know, there's all kind of weird stories.

759
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 1: I mean, there's one guy in France and I mean

760
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:34,760
Speaker 1: I think it was like forty years ago or something.

761
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 1: But these aliens just them up like they always went

762
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:42,280
Speaker 1: there and just to kill his dog, like didn't messed

763
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 1: up stuff, just like to shit up. Wow. And you

764
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 1: know other people saw stuff. But it's like one of

765
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 1: those uh oh, well, maybe there are some souls out there, right,

766
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 1: maybe there are like the extra terrestrial equivalent of dum

767
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:04,800
Speaker 1: dumb teens or joy right, and they're like took took

768
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: their parents space Cadillac or whatever, and they're like actually

769
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 1: getting another point I like to bring up because people,

770
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 1: you know, with the stories of like crashed spaceships, you know,

771
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 1: it's easy to say, well, if they're so advanced, you know,

772
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 1: why why are they crashing. It's like that's a good point.

773
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: But you know what if Roswell was just literally two

774
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 1: drunk teenagers like who were like, oh no, we we

775
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:38,399
Speaker 1: messed up bad, and then it was like too late,

776
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 1: like it was it was bad. They did not they

777
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 1: did not want to be here. That was an episode

778
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 1: of Aquitine Hunger for Us, where they're these obnoxious teenage

779
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:49,439
Speaker 1: aliens that are always talking about how their dad owns

780
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 1: a dealership, and you know that they come down like

781
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 1: wreck shop. It's really funny and it's totally the scenario

782
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 1: you're describing, just kind of like you know, as a

783
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:03,799
Speaker 1: sent movie should open the hatch. Yeah, we we just

784
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 1: can't ascribe motive. That's the that's the issue. Like you know,

785
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 1: there was a story making the rounds U several months

786
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:16,879
Speaker 1: years ago. I can't remember where you have someone very

787
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 1: authoritatively saying, well, the octopus is probably the closest thing

788
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 1: there is to an alien and we have a lot

789
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 1: to learn, and yeah, the octopus is very different, but

790
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: you can still understand the motivations of the animal. Right,

791
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 1: it wants to eat, it wants to reproduce. It's super

792
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 1: cool at parties, I think if you catch it on

793
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 1: the right night. But absolutely like pain has partied with

794
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 1: octopus before after they're really cool. So they are really cool.

795
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 1: So when we talk about the motivations here for these things,

796
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 1: I think we also have to remember that anything the

797
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: US government is saying about craft or phenomena with whatever

798
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 1: they want us to call it, that they cannot identify,

799
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 1: it's coming from the lens of national security, right, so

800
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:14,919
Speaker 1: they're not thinking, they're not really thinking past terms of

801
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 1: can this get past our defenses? Right? Can this be

802
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:23,280
Speaker 1: a danger? Do you have a sense of the future

803
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 1: of these explorations, like what do you think this is

804
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 1: a kind of a flash in the pan story. Is

805
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: it building toward a larger social shift? Like what's the

806
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 1: future there? And that's kind of what I got to

807
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 1: when I have my little revelation myself, is that I

808
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 1: believe that in our lifetime. I think in the next

809
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:50,800
Speaker 1: fifty years that the fact that there is extraterrestrial life

810
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 1: it will be just flat out common knowledge. And I

811
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 1: think that will probably be at the point too where

812
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,760
Speaker 1: any time that they have been here or come close

813
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:06,799
Speaker 1: or whatever, we'll know that that's happened. And I think

814
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:08,919
Speaker 1: it'll be a thing that we're still trying to figure out,

815
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:11,879
Speaker 1: but it will be common knowledge. And so, like I've

816
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 1: looked at my show as I'm writing and do all

817
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 1: this stuff, I'm like, you know, I want this to

818
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:19,799
Speaker 1: be like a in the grand scheme of things if

819
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:23,359
Speaker 1: you zoom out. This was part of part of that

820
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:28,919
Speaker 1: conversation shift right. It was part of getting people on

821
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 1: board and being open minded about what's probably going to

822
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 1: be a reality no matter what I mean. It's the

823
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 1: way any kind of sea change sort of happens, you know,

824
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 1: It's a little bit slow at first, like with a trickle,

825
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 1: and then it just kind of becomes I mean, this

826
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 1: isn't exactly a one to one, just sort of like

827
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 1: the attitude toward like marijuana prohibition, for example, there was

828
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 1: a time where people were just like cowering in fear

829
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 1: of the police, you know, and now people are being

830
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:58,359
Speaker 1: released from prison, you know, for marijuana sentences, and it's

831
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 1: just becoming a much more like openly to disgust and

832
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,279
Speaker 1: you know, honest kind of part of society. And I think,

833
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 1: you know, while they're not the same, the way that

834
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 1: conversation changes, you know, is similar. I'm with you. Free

835
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:13,359
Speaker 1: the aliens, you know what I mean, and get them high.

836
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 1: Free my guy et I've got five, I've got five

837
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 1: on whatever, Yeah, freem free. Well, because ultimately you've got

838
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 1: to change the way people think, right, they have to

839
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:28,840
Speaker 1: change with themselves exactly. There has to be enough stuff

840
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 1: out there that lets you feel like you could think

841
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:35,800
Speaker 1: that way, right, And so I got to add here, folks,

842
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 1: if you have somehow not listened to Payne's work before.

843
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 1: We're pretty selective about who we hang with and who

844
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 1: we look toward. And this is not a high strange

845
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 1: is not the weekly world news, and it's not you know, um,

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Speaker 1: there's not anything that feels like people are being exploited.

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Speaker 1: It really is an honest, balanced approach to the possibilities here,

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Speaker 1: and this is something that I'm very glad this exists

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Speaker 1: in the world. Thank you for making this. But I

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Speaker 1: feel like this is a great starting point for someone

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Speaker 1: who has maybe they popped onto the wrong subreddit and

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Speaker 1: they saw these acronyms and all these names they didn't

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Speaker 1: understand and they were like, Okay, forget about this, right,

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Speaker 1: So would you agree with that? Do you think this

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Speaker 1: is a good way for people who I'm familiar to

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Speaker 1: start learning more? Absolutely, it's that's what it really is

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00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:43,359
Speaker 1: designed for. It's designed for anyone who is curious about it,

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Speaker 1: and we gather as much information and we have all

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Speaker 1: this archive tape that you can listen to. You can

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Speaker 1: hear the voices of the real people, you can know

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Speaker 1: all the facts, and you can kind of make up

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Speaker 1: your own minds. And I also realized something throughout making this,

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Speaker 1: and it's for most people to be convinced of anything right,

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Speaker 1: How is anyone convinced of anything right? Like? I had

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Speaker 1: this analogy of if a literal spaceship landed on the

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Speaker 1: White House lawn today on live TV, and it was

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Speaker 1: Fox News, CNN, everybody covering it and got out and

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Speaker 1: shook Biden's hand, would you believe it then? Now that

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Speaker 1: would be very unbelievable, So you might be like, well,

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Speaker 1: something's up. But regardless, it would be like it'd be

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Speaker 1: split up into people who are like, okay, like that's

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Speaker 1: real to know there's something something deeper going on, it's

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Speaker 1: part of some other thing. It's like COVID. It's like, yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: I guess you have to get COVID to know that

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Speaker 1: it's real. Yet to get sick, I lose that smell

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Speaker 1: and taste and you're like, well this does suck. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I guess I guess there was something to it after all. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I love that that point too, In the age of

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Speaker 1: ubiquitous media tough because okay, that example of the president

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Speaker 1: shaky and extraterrestrials hand live on video. We're all familiar

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Speaker 1: with Twitter. I give it three minutes before someone comes

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Speaker 1: up with a crazy in depth conspiracy theory about how

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Speaker 1: this is a cover up for Atlantis or something. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And the thing is, it's like if it's if that's

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Speaker 1: not enough, then nothing is enough. You have to experience

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Speaker 1: it yourself. And you know I haven't. I haven't even

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Speaker 1: had one of those experiences like that where I but

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Speaker 1: if I did, all I could do is tell my story.

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Speaker 1: You'd have to be there yourself to feel what I

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Speaker 1: feel and know what I know. Right, And with that,

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Speaker 1: I think we we invite you to travel along with

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Speaker 1: us on High Strange, the new podcast by Paying Lindsay

893
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 1: with Tenderfoot and Cadence thirteen and again full disclosure, Matt,

894
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Speaker 1: I think we have to shout this out. You and

895
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Speaker 1: Paying work together extensively on past projects like the amazing

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Speaker 1: Atlanta Monster and Zodiac. Like the list goes on. I

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Speaker 1: can't wait. I have not heard the entirety of this show,

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Speaker 1: so I'm gonna be riding along with our fellow conspiracy

899
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Speaker 1: realist in this flying saucer of the mind. You don't

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Speaker 1: understand I haven't heard anything yet. I've heard said I've

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Speaker 1: heard first episode right now, the first three episodes today. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I had sent those or someone sent those to you.

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Speaker 1: Um no, I'll send to you, but you can listen

904
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Speaker 1: right now. So just so you can listen to it

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Speaker 1: right now, just go search it. Episode one is out.

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Speaker 1: If you want to pay the five bucks, you can

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Speaker 1: listen to it all now. If you don't, that's cool too.

908
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Speaker 1: And this at this point, Pain, we have to have

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Speaker 1: to ask for our listeners who want to find out

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Speaker 1: more about you and your work, not just High Strange,

911
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Speaker 1: but the rest of the vola. Where can they find

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Speaker 1: you online? My social media accounts are just my name

913
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Speaker 1: Paine Lindsay. Um. If you want to see people talking

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Speaker 1: about me, you can go to Reddit. Um. If you

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Speaker 1: want to see weird quotes that are like out of context,

916
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Speaker 1: go to my Wikipedia. And if you want the real

917
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Speaker 1: truth on me, uh, talk to my grandma. But actually don't,

918
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Speaker 1: don't talk to her. Don't don't. That is Pain Lindsay. Uh.

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Speaker 1: If you follow me there, then you'll get all the

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Speaker 1: stuff that I'm working on, the latest stuff. Um. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's pretty much it. Well what uh what a ride

922
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Speaker 1: on the pain train? Which is a UFO, which is

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Speaker 1: a well it's now it's an IFO because we identified

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Speaker 1: this fly, this flying object. Uh. Look we you know,

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Speaker 1: we weren't. We're not blowing smoke when we say that

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Speaker 1: we are at at this point, we're pretty selective about

927
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Speaker 1: folks that we want to bring in and speak with. Uh.

928
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Speaker 1: And this is this is the kind of deep dive

929
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Speaker 1: investigative stuff that I think all three of us personally love.

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Speaker 1: We hope you enjoy it too, and we want to

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Speaker 1: hear your thoughts on UAPs UFOs. Have you seen one?

932
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Speaker 1: Have you been abducted? How did you get back? Was

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Speaker 1: it was your experience like that S and l skit

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Speaker 1: with uh, what's her name? You know what I'm talking about? Oh, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Kate McKinnon. I had a bit of a different experience.

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Speaker 1: We don't think I was working with the top brass. Uh,

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Speaker 1: but yeah, sorry, that's what I was thinking of space

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Speaker 1: pants with Peter Dinklich. That's a that's another good sl S.

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Speaker 1: So send us, send us your tales, you know, send

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Speaker 1: us your stories and let us know if you think

941
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Speaker 1: you have isolated the cause of this. We actually received

942
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Speaker 1: a lot of correspondence from people online saying that the

943
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Speaker 1: UM the surveillance balloon stories were a distraction. Honestly, we

944
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Speaker 1: don't think that that's the case. At this point, it

945
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Speaker 1: sounds like the US government really did just figure out

946
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Speaker 1: what they were supposed to be looking for in that case.

947
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Speaker 1: But let us know. We can't wait to hear from you.

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Speaker 1: We try to be easy to find online. That's right.

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