WEBVTT - Feminism with Gloria Steinem

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<v Speaker 1>Podcast. Hey Mama, Good morning Angels, Good morning Charlie. What's

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<v Speaker 1>going on with toppening? I thought we could do an

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<v Speaker 1>episode of Charlie's Angels today instead of the podcast. I

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<v Speaker 1>thought it. I thought it could be fun, maybe switch

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<v Speaker 1>gears a little bit. We could talk to illegal about it.

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<v Speaker 1>But today it's actually a big interview, so we should

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<v Speaker 1>just stick to the script. Okay, okay, Yes, yesterday is

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<v Speaker 1>a big day. Our topic is feminism and we will

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<v Speaker 1>have Glorious Steinum on the phone today. Gloria Steinhum. You

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<v Speaker 1>have seen her picture. She wears a nice pair of

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<v Speaker 1>Aviator glasses, a Kashmir turtleneck, and a tiny little cowboy

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<v Speaker 1>hat perched on the top of her head. I think

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<v Speaker 1>she got it from a doll. No, one of those

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<v Speaker 1>things is not true. But yes, we're talking to work

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<v Speaker 1>Sun today. She's calling in. I'm excited and Um, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit nervous. Nervous. Okay, why are you nervous? Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you afraid your speech impediment might act up? I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have a speech impediment. No, it's that thing,

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<v Speaker 1>you know where your voice gets really high and annoying.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's just my voice. Oh sorry, Well, the

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<v Speaker 1>good news is at least you're not on the radio,

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<v Speaker 1>You're just on a podcast. Maybe you can just maybe

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<v Speaker 1>you can try a different voice, one that's easier to

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<v Speaker 1>listen to. Back to our guests today. Your voice is

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<v Speaker 1>as if a small little singing bird had an evil

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<v Speaker 1>crow as a sister, one that crows and crows until

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<v Speaker 1>little children scream and run into their homes. Okay, let's

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<v Speaker 1>move on back to our guests today. Right, Carolina is

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<v Speaker 1>nervous about talking to Glorious Steadem. I'm not, but Carolina is.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm actually more nervous about you talking to Glorious. But

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<v Speaker 1>my why really? Because my voice isn't annoying. It's smooth,

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<v Speaker 1>like a like a Coultrane solo. Your voice is like

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<v Speaker 1>if someone handed a bunch of eight year old some

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<v Speaker 1>clarinets and told them to blow as hard as they can.

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<v Speaker 1>This is why I'm nervous about you talking to Glorius Steinham.

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<v Speaker 1>I just can't stress what an important figure she is

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<v Speaker 1>to the feminist movement. And you can just be I

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<v Speaker 1>can be what, Oh, I can be Bosley from Charlie's Angels. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll talk to legal, but we can't play Charlie's Angels

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<v Speaker 1>this episode anyway. Glory Steinham is a woman who has

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<v Speaker 1>worked her whole life for the feminist movement, and you

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<v Speaker 1>can be a little misogynistic. How dare you? How dare

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<v Speaker 1>you call me that? That word that? What does that

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<v Speaker 1>word mean in English? It's it's French we ron. Misogyny

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<v Speaker 1>is when you act prejudiced against women. I know what

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<v Speaker 1>that where it means? Well, you're writing it down on

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<v Speaker 1>your notepad with a question mark next to it, and

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<v Speaker 1>you and you spelled it round. Oh and I bet

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<v Speaker 1>that is misogyness, misogyn Listen, sometimes you just treat women differently,

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<v Speaker 1>So please, I'm interested. After our first season wrapped, you

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<v Speaker 1>gave all the guys cigars and all the girls tootoose

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<v Speaker 1>and ballerina slippers. Yes, and I got size of leven

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<v Speaker 1>for you big feet care liner. You're welcome. By the way,

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<v Speaker 1>How are those ballet classes coming better than that African

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<v Speaker 1>drumming class you took at the Y Huh? I think well,

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<v Speaker 1>and just want you to recognize that they're equal to

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<v Speaker 1>men and that our interests aren't necessarily whatever the patriarchy

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<v Speaker 1>is deemed feminine. Yes, right? Are you writing? Is that

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<v Speaker 1>patriarchy you're writing down? I'm writing something else. I'm writing St.

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<v Speaker 1>Patrick's Day, remember when, don't forget St Patrick's Day this year.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I'm writing. So you saw the pay of Patrick,

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<v Speaker 1>the saint who drove all the snakes out of Ireland.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's just try and keep an open mind today. Carolina,

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<v Speaker 1>you're so nervous to talk to Gloria's She's very she's

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<v Speaker 1>just really I get I am, I am, well, I'm not.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the headline here. I'm gonna go in and we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna go toe to toe, right, very well. Well, but

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<v Speaker 1>as she tangled with Ron Burgundy, no the journalist, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think so. I don't think so. All right, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, we'll see what happens. You know, you're not

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<v Speaker 1>talking to some piece of wallpaper here, No, you're You're

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<v Speaker 1>a formidable figure. So I'm gonna I'm gonna get in

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<v Speaker 1>there and I'm gonna give as much as I get. Okay, right,

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<v Speaker 1>once we come back from commercial, Oh yes, glorious, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>watch out all right, and we are back. This is

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<v Speaker 1>Ron Burgundy on the Ron Burgundy Podcast, And as promised,

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<v Speaker 1>we are joined by feminist icon. Glorious Steinham, Gloria, I

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<v Speaker 1>just have to ask you this, coming out of the gate.

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<v Speaker 1>What's up, my lady. It's an honor m um. Do

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<v Speaker 1>you uh let me look at my notes here? You

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<v Speaker 1>you your name is Gloria. You went to Smith College,

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<v Speaker 1>I believe, and um that's located in New Mexico. Uh

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<v Speaker 1>close Massachusetts. Oh well, not close at all. Sorry, um,

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<v Speaker 1>Smith College. I want to ask you you, in today's

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<v Speaker 1>world of AI and robots replacing all of us, is

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<v Speaker 1>there any value anymore in a liberal arts education. It's

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<v Speaker 1>valuable just to sit in the same room with other people,

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<v Speaker 1>because it turns out that we can't empathize or really

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<v Speaker 1>learn on a screen or without all five senses. So

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<v Speaker 1>whatever the experience is, we need to spend at least

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<v Speaker 1>as much time with each other as we do looking

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<v Speaker 1>at a screen or listening. With all due respect to

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<v Speaker 1>this listening. We're trending towards avoiding human contact. But but

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<v Speaker 1>we have to somehow maintain that. You know, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>reason why solitary confinement is torture. We are communal animals.

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<v Speaker 1>We have to be together. All kinds of bad things

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<v Speaker 1>have mounted since we've been looking at screens, depression, sadness.

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<v Speaker 1>So aside, we need to spend at least as much

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<v Speaker 1>time with other people as we do with objects. Do

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<v Speaker 1>you hear that, Carolina? So you need to stay off here, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>put down your iPhone exactly. No more screen time. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>make eye contact, okay for future? Yes, well, I totally

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<v Speaker 1>agree with you, Gloria. I mean luckily for me, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't even have any sort of sell your device. I

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<v Speaker 1>still have a hard line and a rotary dial phone.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm contributing positively, I think, Gloria. Yes, I'm here,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm here, okay. Um I want to you. So after

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<v Speaker 1>college you spent a couple of years in India. Is that?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that correct? Yes? That's right? And what was was that?

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<v Speaker 1>Like the craziest spring break ever? Is that? What? It was?

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<v Speaker 1>The longest, the longest and the craziest. But it turned

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<v Speaker 1>out to change my life in all kinds of positive ways. Although,

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<v Speaker 1>to be honest, I was escaping getting married, I was engaged.

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<v Speaker 1>I needed to go very far away. But but I'm

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<v Speaker 1>glad I chose India. And you talk about taking the

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<v Speaker 1>train in India and that being sort of a revolutionary

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<v Speaker 1>experience right, Yes, because first of all, the train system

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<v Speaker 1>is very good, and the third class cars, especially the

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<v Speaker 1>women's third class cars, are like traveling dormitories or women's groups.

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<v Speaker 1>The women you know, looked after me. We got an

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<v Speaker 1>endless difficult conversations. Difficult mainly because I couldn't speak handy. Um, no,

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<v Speaker 1>it was, And I spent a couple of days, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>going down the coast in a train in that car. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>if you can take solace, I can't speak hindy either,

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<v Speaker 1>so um, I would have been in the same boat,

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<v Speaker 1>our train or train. Yes, um, Gloria, you you worked

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<v Speaker 1>undercover as a playboy bunny when you were a journalist. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>during that experience, did you run into any misogyny? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>probably not, because they were not smart enough to know

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<v Speaker 1>what the word was, So yeah, tell me about it was.

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<v Speaker 1>It was. It was just wall to wall exploitation. It

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<v Speaker 1>was an assignment to write an article, and X was

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<v Speaker 1>a I had invented a background of being a secretary

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<v Speaker 1>and wanting a more interesting job because the advertisements for

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<v Speaker 1>being a bunny said that this was a glamorous, wonderful job.

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<v Speaker 1>But the bunny mother who interviewed me said honey, if

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<v Speaker 1>you can type, you don't want to work here. That

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<v Speaker 1>should have been a warning. That should have been warning.

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<v Speaker 1>Was that in was that in Chicago? No? Here in

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<v Speaker 1>New York? And yet I don't know if people even

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<v Speaker 1>know what Playboy magazine is nowadays, you know, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm sorry to say that that now here in

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<v Speaker 1>Manhattan a Playboy club has just opened, even though it

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<v Speaker 1>was given up as uh, totally out of date, even

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<v Speaker 1>by Hefner. So I'm not quite sure how the one

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<v Speaker 1>here is able to call itself a playboy club, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's pretty crazy that they just opened it a few

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<v Speaker 1>months ago. Well, I used to have I had a

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<v Speaker 1>subscription for as long as I can remember. And I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not just saying this because I'm talking to you. I

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<v Speaker 1>read it strictly for the articles. Uh. You know, they

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<v Speaker 1>had a formula even in the articles that in no

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<v Speaker 1>way were women allowed to win. I mean that was

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<v Speaker 1>was Hefner's formula. You know, whatever was printed or whatever

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<v Speaker 1>was photographed, it had to be clear that men were dominant.

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<v Speaker 1>Holy smokes, you and his sat in pajamas? Huh. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I do think he was kind of pathetic and insecure,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I once gotten a fist fight with

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<v Speaker 1>him at the Playboy Mansion. Kidding well, they lost my car.

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<v Speaker 1>The valet lost my car, and so I had to

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<v Speaker 1>spend three weeks at the Playboy Mansion. Um, it was.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the worst three weeks of my life because

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<v Speaker 1>of all the Missalgermy. Yeah, Gloria, you were. You were

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<v Speaker 1>part of the effort, in conjunction with miss Foundation for Women,

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<v Speaker 1>to institute a take our Daughters to Work Day. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>let me ask you this. Do you think gambling bookies

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<v Speaker 1>should be taking their daughters to work? Or drug lords?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, why did you start such a dangerous holiday? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>now that you say that, I think it might not

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<v Speaker 1>be bad for kids to see the terrible things their

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<v Speaker 1>pair are doing. Maybe they would help to reform their parents.

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<v Speaker 1>We we actually we started it just because we wanted

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<v Speaker 1>girls to feel at home in the workplace. And actually

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<v Speaker 1>there was no other day devoted to girls, no national

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<v Speaker 1>day devoted to girls at all. It turned out to

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<v Speaker 1>be one of the few things that girls had that

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<v Speaker 1>boys wanted. So now it's take your child to work

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<v Speaker 1>day boys too. You know, I I had a son

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<v Speaker 1>later in life, Walter Burgundy, and I should have brought

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<v Speaker 1>him to work more often. You left him in the car.

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<v Speaker 1>I left him in the car a lot, which is

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<v Speaker 1>which is not the right thing to do. Um, Gloria,

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<v Speaker 1>You've got in trouble with with Bernie Sanders supporters during

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<v Speaker 1>the presidential race because you said the boys are with

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<v Speaker 1>Bernie and with him running again, would you say the

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<v Speaker 1>boys are back in town now? Actually I was talking

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<v Speaker 1>about free tuition. I wasn't talking about sex, but the

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<v Speaker 1>way because I was on my track of talking about

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<v Speaker 1>free tuition and that's there. Therefore the boys were attracted

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<v Speaker 1>to that, and the girls too. It ended up sounding

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<v Speaker 1>like sex instead of an education. So completely end of no,

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<v Speaker 1>end of problem. Um. Now, this is something you may

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<v Speaker 1>not be able to answer, and I totally respected if

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<v Speaker 1>you can't. But I was looking on Wikipedia, which we

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<v Speaker 1>all know is controlled by the Russians. Um, were you

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<v Speaker 1>involved in the CIA at one point? If you can't answer,

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<v Speaker 1>you could just make the sound of a bird of prey.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so much more boring than that. I hesitate to

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<v Speaker 1>disappoint you, but I went to to Communist youth festivals

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<v Speaker 1>UH several years apart, which was sponsored by the then

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<v Speaker 1>Soviet Union and where where would that have taken place?

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<v Speaker 1>There was one in Vienna, uh and one in Helsinki,

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<v Speaker 1>I think, Oh fancy okay, So, and those the attendants

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<v Speaker 1>at those festivals was sponsored by foundations that in turn,

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<v Speaker 1>we're sponsored by a world federalist, a left wing person

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<v Speaker 1>who was in the CIA and their forehead escaped McCarthy.

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<v Speaker 1>M So. So it's it's it's kind of obscure, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's not boring at all. Well, but the problem

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<v Speaker 1>with it is that it makes it sound as if

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<v Speaker 1>anyone was telling any of us what to do or say,

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<v Speaker 1>which just wasn't true. So no one gave you like

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<v Speaker 1>a lipstick that was actually a pistol or something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>You didn't get any spy devices or anything like that. No,

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<v Speaker 1>nothing like that or nothing like that. Well then yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's really boring. It is. Yeah, no, it was. It

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<v Speaker 1>was interesting, but it's just there are some initials, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>that make everything sound subversive, and the CIA is are

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<v Speaker 1>three of them. Well, it's funny because I have also

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<v Speaker 1>never been involved with the CIA. Wink wink um. Here's

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<v Speaker 1>a wild card question for you, which I thought of

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<v Speaker 1>on my drive over here. What are some TV shows

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<v Speaker 1>that you like, Well, I'm a news I'm a news junkie,

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<v Speaker 1>so I confess that I'm almost always listening or looking

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<v Speaker 1>at the news when I'm watching television. So are you're

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<v Speaker 1>You're not, because I'm really into Roswell on the c

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<v Speaker 1>w uh huh. Anyway, Um, now, if you didn't finish

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<v Speaker 1>an entire school year until you were twelve, uh, much

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<v Speaker 1>like myself, how do you think that affected your career? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>at the time, I kind of wanted to go to

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<v Speaker 1>school like other kids, you know, because I saw kids

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<v Speaker 1>in movies. But looking back on it, I think it

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<v Speaker 1>was a kind of good thing because I escaped a

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<v Speaker 1>certain amount of brainwashing that I would have got in

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<v Speaker 1>those years with Dick and Jane books and what girls

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<v Speaker 1>were supposed to do when boys were supposed to do. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And instead of that, I could just follow my interests

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<v Speaker 1>and read anything. I mean, I hope it would be

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<v Speaker 1>better now because schools are better now, but in that

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<v Speaker 1>era especially, I think probably it was better to be

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<v Speaker 1>able to follow my interests. Just so I'm following the math.

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<v Speaker 1>That would have been sixth grade that you just took

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<v Speaker 1>the year off. I think I entered sixth grade. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't enter at the very beginning, so probably seventh grade

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<v Speaker 1>was my first full year because I sixth grade. That's

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<v Speaker 1>a toughie, isn't it. I repeated it three times? Sixth grade? Um,

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<v Speaker 1>you wrote a book about Marilyn Monroe, did you not? Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>I did. Yeah. What was your fascination with with Marilyn Monroe?

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<v Speaker 1>Was it? Was it just based on the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>blonds have more fun? You know? I think that a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of us have a kind of rescue fantasy about

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<v Speaker 1>Marilyn Monroe. If she had lived at a time when

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<v Speaker 1>there was a women's movement, might she still be alive?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, she had such a tough life. She was

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<v Speaker 1>a foster kid, she was sexually abused, she was as

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<v Speaker 1>an adult treat for her. Outside is not her inside's

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<v Speaker 1>not her heart or her mind. And I've always been

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<v Speaker 1>and I think a lot of people are a little

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<v Speaker 1>haunted by the early end of her life and what

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<v Speaker 1>might have been. I wrote a book on Marilyn Manson,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's a Marylin right, yes, and it's still sitting

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<v Speaker 1>on the shelf at the manuscript No one wants to

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<v Speaker 1>publish it. So maybe you could help me publish my

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<v Speaker 1>book on Marilyn Manson, Well, I probably would be a

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<v Speaker 1>good thing to see how we could avoid having more

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<v Speaker 1>of them. Great, let's get to work on that. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>get your home address when we get off the podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'll just joke at your house and we can

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<v Speaker 1>start working on that. Gloria, you famously said the truth

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<v Speaker 1>will set you free, but first it will piss you off.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you know that? Farrell Williams, the singer, songwriter producer,

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<v Speaker 1>says that at the top of one of his latest songs, Lemon,

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<v Speaker 1>no are you pissed? I don't. I don't. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>mean to start a beef, but no, I'm honored to

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<v Speaker 1>be to be quoted. I mean, I said, it is

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<v Speaker 1>a kind of smartass thing to say, but it does

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<v Speaker 1>have a lot of applications. The truth will set you free,

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<v Speaker 1>but first of all, piss you off. What exactly does

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<v Speaker 1>that mean? Do you think that we need to know

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<v Speaker 1>how bad things are and then we're we're happy and

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<v Speaker 1>then um, but then we get angry? Well I do?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, the truth will set you free comes from

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<v Speaker 1>the Bible, So the idea of the truth was a

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<v Speaker 1>religious truth. Um, I started to add, but first of all,

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<v Speaker 1>piss you off during the Vietnam War era, because there

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<v Speaker 1>were some young men who were carrying signs saying the

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<v Speaker 1>truth will set you free them at the truth of

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<v Speaker 1>the war would set them free from the draft, and

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<v Speaker 1>it kind of uck with me from from that time forward,

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<v Speaker 1>and being a smartass myself, I just started to say,

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<v Speaker 1>but first it, we'll piss you off. And now I

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<v Speaker 1>see it in amazing places. I mean, it's on campus,

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<v Speaker 1>on bulletin boards, it's I saw it as a tattoo.

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<v Speaker 1>It's uh, it's amazing birthday cake. Really, yeah, I've never

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<v Speaker 1>seen that. And I love quotes anyway, because I think

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<v Speaker 1>quotes are kind of populist poetry and they're short enough

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<v Speaker 1>to remember, but smart enough to be memorable. Carolina gave

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<v Speaker 1>me a wonderful book of quotations, very heavy, sturdy book.

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<v Speaker 1>Um that is I use as a paperweight. Yes, very

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<v Speaker 1>good use for books. And one of these days I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to crack it open and take a look to do.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's why I got it for you. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure you've produced many great quotes. Yes, I've been

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<v Speaker 1>quoted a fair amount of times, and I find it

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<v Speaker 1>to be very flattering. But I cannot set myself on

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<v Speaker 1>the same bar as you. There's no question. Well, it's

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<v Speaker 1>just it is kind of populist poetry to to try

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<v Speaker 1>to say things short. I think it also comes from

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<v Speaker 1>being a magazine person and sitting around at editorial meetings

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<v Speaker 1>trying to think of titles and blurbs and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>how to how to be intriguing in a small space.

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<v Speaker 1>One of my one of my favorite quotes, and I

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<v Speaker 1>believe it was Sophocles who said, and I hope you

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<v Speaker 1>get this right. If this van's a rocking, don't come

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<v Speaker 1>a knocking God, I hope sophically said that, I hope

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<v Speaker 1>he had fun. Oh you you know, Sophocles, he did,

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<v Speaker 1>he did have fun. Uh. Gloria, we cannot thank you

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<v Speaker 1>enough for coming on the podcast today. We know you

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<v Speaker 1>have a incredibly busy schedule, so thank you for taking

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<v Speaker 1>time and talking about your life and and you're welcome

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<v Speaker 1>back anytime. Thank you so much for no thank you,

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you everyone, Glorious Dynham will be will be right

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<v Speaker 1>back on the Ron Burgundy Podcast after this break, and

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<v Speaker 1>we're back for Ron Burgundy Podcast. Carolina, I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>how you felt that. I I just I froze up

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<v Speaker 1>like a like a I don't know something that's really

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<v Speaker 1>frozen about freezing up? Yes, is formidable and uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>she had a lot of compelling things to say, important things,

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't know, I feel like I I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like I dropped the ball up time. I felt like

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I just wanted to. I just hope she

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<v Speaker 1>liked us. Yeah, that's the thing. I hope. Right, do

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<v Speaker 1>you want me to ask? Let's yeah, why don't you

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<v Speaker 1>try to reach your team and see if she likes us?

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<v Speaker 1>Because I don't know if i'll sleep tonight, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just because I don't know if I put my best

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<v Speaker 1>foot forward. Look, I'll say this, I'm not perfect, but

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<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty damn good of the time. And this was

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<v Speaker 1>in that you know where we don't know Old Ronnie

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<v Speaker 1>had as you know what flying in the wind and

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<v Speaker 1>you could tell where was all your your Sarah Lownds

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<v Speaker 1>training didn't kick in blank, I don't know what happened,

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<v Speaker 1>well as you can probably tell. I I learned a

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<v Speaker 1>lot this season, even learned how to pronounce miss sand

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<v Speaker 1>and new But it's time for me to go back

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<v Speaker 1>to learning from my everyday life, learning from my long

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<v Speaker 1>walks on a few of my neighbor's properties, learning from

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<v Speaker 1>the trees, talking to the birds, hearing their side of things.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you learn talking to the trees or birds?

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<v Speaker 1>You wouldn't understand a man of nature. I mean by

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<v Speaker 1>the pale color of your skin, I'd estimate you haven't

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<v Speaker 1>been outside for a while. Come to think of, do

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<v Speaker 1>you do you ever leave this podcast booth? Do you

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<v Speaker 1>live here? Wait? Were you born here? Now? That's that's enough.

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<v Speaker 1>Where do you shower in a sink like a baby?

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<v Speaker 1>You don't have to answer that anyway. It's that time again.

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<v Speaker 1>Today's episode was our last of season two. The season

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<v Speaker 1>is over, and like the Barrenstein bears, it's time for

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<v Speaker 1>us to go back into hibernation. There Stein bears didn't

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<v Speaker 1>wait to you mean, just like a bear? Well, sure,

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<v Speaker 1>any any park ranger or or you know, nature specialists

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<v Speaker 1>will We'll tell you. There's many types of bears. There's

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<v Speaker 1>the black bear, the brown bear, grizzly bear, polar bear,

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<v Speaker 1>and the barren Stein bears. And they're the ones who

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<v Speaker 1>wear clothes and live in a treehouse. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>when you see a grizzly you have to play dad, right, well,

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<v Speaker 1>if you see a barren Stein bear, you should strike

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<v Speaker 1>up a conversation and try to be reasonable. If they're

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<v Speaker 1>they're really nasty, give them your watch. That's my last

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<v Speaker 1>tip of the season. I bet you're you're glad you

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<v Speaker 1>stay tuned to hear that jewel of advice. Anyway, we'd

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<v Speaker 1>like to give a warm thank you to our listeners,

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<v Speaker 1>a warm, warm thank you. We'd like to hug you,

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<v Speaker 1>pat you on the head and tell you it's all

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<v Speaker 1>going to be all right. Disregard all of the stuff

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<v Speaker 1>about the Barrenstein bearries. Please, We just we just like

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<v Speaker 1>to thank everyone for tuning in. That's it, that's all,

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<v Speaker 1>And we'd like to invite you to our cabin for

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<v Speaker 1>a cup of hot cider. Wrap you in a warm

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<v Speaker 1>wool blanket. Ah, look outside, the snow was falling. The

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<v Speaker 1>ice has frozen over the nearby pond. Oh look a fox.

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<v Speaker 1>Until next time when I have you in my house

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<v Speaker 1>and we can really talk man to man. This was

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<v Speaker 1>the Ron Burgundy Podcast. Thank you for joining. The truth

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<v Speaker 1>will set you free, but first it'll piss you off.

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<v Speaker 1>The Ron Burgundy Podcast is a production of I Heart

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<v Speaker 1>Radio and funnier doc I'm Ron Burgundy, the host, writer

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<v Speaker 1>and executive producer. Carolina Barlow is my co host, writer

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<v Speaker 1>and producer. Our producers are Jack O'Brien, Nick Stump, Myles Gray,

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<v Speaker 1>and Whitney Out. Our executive producer is Mike farre Our

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<v Speaker 1>consulting producer is Andrew Steele. Our coordinating producer is Colin McDougall.

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<v Speaker 1>Our associate producers are Anna Hosnier and Sophie Lechterman. Our

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<v Speaker 1>writer is Jake Fogelist. Our production coordinator is Hannah Jacobson.

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<v Speaker 1>This episode was engineered, mixed, and edited by Nick Stop.

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<v Speaker 1>Until next time, this is Ron Burgundy.