Speaker 1: Podcast. Hey Mama, Good morning Angels, Good morning Charlie. What's
Speaker 1: going on with toppening? I thought we could do an
Speaker 1: episode of Charlie's Angels today instead of the podcast. I
Speaker 1: thought it. I thought it could be fun, maybe switch
Speaker 1: gears a little bit. We could talk to illegal about it.
Speaker 1: But today it's actually a big interview, so we should
Speaker 1: just stick to the script. Okay, okay, Yes, yesterday is
Speaker 1: a big day. Our topic is feminism and we will
Speaker 1: have Glorious Steinum on the phone today. Gloria Steinhum. You
Speaker 1: have seen her picture. She wears a nice pair of
Speaker 1: Aviator glasses, a Kashmir turtleneck, and a tiny little cowboy
Speaker 1: hat perched on the top of her head. I think
Speaker 1: she got it from a doll. No, one of those
Speaker 1: things is not true. But yes, we're talking to work
Speaker 1: Sun today. She's calling in. I'm excited and Um, I'm
Speaker 1: a little bit nervous. Nervous. Okay, why are you nervous? Oh?
Speaker 1: Are you afraid your speech impediment might act up? I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't have a speech impediment. No, it's that thing,
Speaker 1: you know where your voice gets really high and annoying.
Speaker 1: I think that's just my voice. Oh sorry, Well, the
Speaker 1: good news is at least you're not on the radio,
Speaker 1: You're just on a podcast. Maybe you can just maybe
Speaker 1: you can try a different voice, one that's easier to
Speaker 1: listen to. Back to our guests today. Your voice is
Speaker 1: as if a small little singing bird had an evil
Speaker 1: crow as a sister, one that crows and crows until
Speaker 1: little children scream and run into their homes. Okay, let's
Speaker 1: move on back to our guests today. Right, Carolina is
Speaker 1: nervous about talking to Glorious Steadem. I'm not, but Carolina is.
Speaker 1: I'm actually more nervous about you talking to Glorious. But
Speaker 1: my why really? Because my voice isn't annoying. It's smooth,
Speaker 1: like a like a Coultrane solo. Your voice is like
Speaker 1: if someone handed a bunch of eight year old some
Speaker 1: clarinets and told them to blow as hard as they can.
Speaker 1: This is why I'm nervous about you talking to Glorius Steinham.
Speaker 1: I just can't stress what an important figure she is
Speaker 1: to the feminist movement. And you can just be I
Speaker 1: can be what, Oh, I can be Bosley from Charlie's Angels. Okay,
Speaker 1: we'll talk to legal, but we can't play Charlie's Angels
Speaker 1: this episode anyway. Glory Steinham is a woman who has
Speaker 1: worked her whole life for the feminist movement, and you
Speaker 1: can be a little misogynistic. How dare you? How dare
Speaker 1: you call me that? That word that? What does that
Speaker 1: word mean in English? It's it's French we ron. Misogyny
Speaker 1: is when you act prejudiced against women. I know what
Speaker 1: that where it means? Well, you're writing it down on
Speaker 1: your notepad with a question mark next to it, and
Speaker 1: you and you spelled it round. Oh and I bet
Speaker 1: that is misogyness, misogyn Listen, sometimes you just treat women differently,
Speaker 1: So please, I'm interested. After our first season wrapped, you
Speaker 1: gave all the guys cigars and all the girls tootoose
Speaker 1: and ballerina slippers. Yes, and I got size of leven
Speaker 1: for you big feet care liner. You're welcome. By the way,
Speaker 1: How are those ballet classes coming better than that African
Speaker 1: drumming class you took at the Y Huh? I think well,
Speaker 1: and just want you to recognize that they're equal to
Speaker 1: men and that our interests aren't necessarily whatever the patriarchy
Speaker 1: is deemed feminine. Yes, right? Are you writing? Is that
Speaker 1: patriarchy you're writing down? I'm writing something else. I'm writing St.
Speaker 1: Patrick's Day, remember when, don't forget St Patrick's Day this year.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm writing. So you saw the pay of Patrick,
Speaker 1: the saint who drove all the snakes out of Ireland.
Speaker 1: Let's just try and keep an open mind today. Carolina,
Speaker 1: you're so nervous to talk to Gloria's She's very she's
Speaker 1: just really I get I am, I am, well, I'm not.
Speaker 1: That's the headline here. I'm gonna go in and we're
Speaker 1: gonna go toe to toe, right, very well. Well, but
Speaker 1: as she tangled with Ron Burgundy, no the journalist, I
Speaker 1: don't think so. I don't think so. All right, yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, we'll see what happens. You know, you're not
Speaker 1: talking to some piece of wallpaper here, No, you're You're
Speaker 1: a formidable figure. So I'm gonna I'm gonna get in
Speaker 1: there and I'm gonna give as much as I get. Okay, right,
Speaker 1: once we come back from commercial, Oh yes, glorious, I'm
Speaker 1: watch out all right, and we are back. This is
Speaker 1: Ron Burgundy on the Ron Burgundy Podcast, And as promised,
Speaker 1: we are joined by feminist icon. Glorious Steinham, Gloria, I
Speaker 1: just have to ask you this, coming out of the gate.
Speaker 1: What's up, my lady. It's an honor m um. Do
Speaker 1: you uh let me look at my notes here? You
Speaker 1: you your name is Gloria. You went to Smith College,
Speaker 1: I believe, and um that's located in New Mexico. Uh
Speaker 1: close Massachusetts. Oh well, not close at all. Sorry, um,
Speaker 1: Smith College. I want to ask you you, in today's
Speaker 1: world of AI and robots replacing all of us, is
Speaker 1: there any value anymore in a liberal arts education. It's
Speaker 1: valuable just to sit in the same room with other people,
Speaker 1: because it turns out that we can't empathize or really
Speaker 1: learn on a screen or without all five senses. So
Speaker 1: whatever the experience is, we need to spend at least
Speaker 1: as much time with each other as we do looking
Speaker 1: at a screen or listening. With all due respect to
Speaker 1: this listening. We're trending towards avoiding human contact. But but
Speaker 1: we have to somehow maintain that. You know, there's a
Speaker 1: reason why solitary confinement is torture. We are communal animals.
Speaker 1: We have to be together. All kinds of bad things
Speaker 1: have mounted since we've been looking at screens, depression, sadness.
Speaker 1: So aside, we need to spend at least as much
Speaker 1: time with other people as we do with objects. Do
Speaker 1: you hear that, Carolina? So you need to stay off here, Yeah,
Speaker 1: put down your iPhone exactly. No more screen time. Let's
Speaker 1: make eye contact, okay for future? Yes, well, I totally
Speaker 1: agree with you, Gloria. I mean luckily for me, I
Speaker 1: don't even have any sort of sell your device. I
Speaker 1: still have a hard line and a rotary dial phone.
Speaker 1: So I'm contributing positively, I think, Gloria. Yes, I'm here,
Speaker 1: I'm here, okay. Um I want to you. So after
Speaker 1: college you spent a couple of years in India. Is that?
Speaker 1: Is that correct? Yes? That's right? And what was was that?
Speaker 1: Like the craziest spring break ever? Is that? What? It was?
Speaker 1: The longest, the longest and the craziest. But it turned
Speaker 1: out to change my life in all kinds of positive ways. Although,
Speaker 1: to be honest, I was escaping getting married, I was engaged.
Speaker 1: I needed to go very far away. But but I'm
Speaker 1: glad I chose India. And you talk about taking the
Speaker 1: train in India and that being sort of a revolutionary
Speaker 1: experience right, Yes, because first of all, the train system
Speaker 1: is very good, and the third class cars, especially the
Speaker 1: women's third class cars, are like traveling dormitories or women's groups.
Speaker 1: The women you know, looked after me. We got an
Speaker 1: endless difficult conversations. Difficult mainly because I couldn't speak handy. Um, no,
Speaker 1: it was, And I spent a couple of days, you know,
Speaker 1: going down the coast in a train in that car. Well,
Speaker 1: if you can take solace, I can't speak hindy either,
Speaker 1: so um, I would have been in the same boat,
Speaker 1: our train or train. Yes, um, Gloria, you you worked
Speaker 1: undercover as a playboy bunny when you were a journalist. Um,
Speaker 1: during that experience, did you run into any misogyny? Well,
Speaker 1: probably not, because they were not smart enough to know
Speaker 1: what the word was, So yeah, tell me about it was.
Speaker 1: It was. It was just wall to wall exploitation. It
Speaker 1: was an assignment to write an article, and X was
Speaker 1: a I had invented a background of being a secretary
Speaker 1: and wanting a more interesting job because the advertisements for
Speaker 1: being a bunny said that this was a glamorous, wonderful job.
Speaker 1: But the bunny mother who interviewed me said honey, if
Speaker 1: you can type, you don't want to work here. That
Speaker 1: should have been a warning. That should have been warning.
Speaker 1: Was that in was that in Chicago? No? Here in
Speaker 1: New York? And yet I don't know if people even
Speaker 1: know what Playboy magazine is nowadays, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm sorry to say that that now here in
Speaker 1: Manhattan a Playboy club has just opened, even though it
Speaker 1: was given up as uh, totally out of date, even
Speaker 1: by Hefner. So I'm not quite sure how the one
Speaker 1: here is able to call itself a playboy club, but
Speaker 1: it's pretty crazy that they just opened it a few
Speaker 1: months ago. Well, I used to have I had a
Speaker 1: subscription for as long as I can remember. And I'm
Speaker 1: not just saying this because I'm talking to you. I
Speaker 1: read it strictly for the articles. Uh. You know, they
Speaker 1: had a formula even in the articles that in no
Speaker 1: way were women allowed to win. I mean that was
Speaker 1: was Hefner's formula. You know, whatever was printed or whatever
Speaker 1: was photographed, it had to be clear that men were dominant.
Speaker 1: Holy smokes, you and his sat in pajamas? Huh. Well,
Speaker 1: I do think he was kind of pathetic and insecure,
Speaker 1: you know what I once gotten a fist fight with
Speaker 1: him at the Playboy Mansion. Kidding well, they lost my car.
Speaker 1: The valet lost my car, and so I had to
Speaker 1: spend three weeks at the Playboy Mansion. Um, it was.
Speaker 1: It was the worst three weeks of my life because
Speaker 1: of all the Missalgermy. Yeah, Gloria, you were. You were
Speaker 1: part of the effort, in conjunction with miss Foundation for Women,
Speaker 1: to institute a take our Daughters to Work Day. Um,
Speaker 1: let me ask you this. Do you think gambling bookies
Speaker 1: should be taking their daughters to work? Or drug lords?
Speaker 1: You know, why did you start such a dangerous holiday? Well,
Speaker 1: now that you say that, I think it might not
Speaker 1: be bad for kids to see the terrible things their
Speaker 1: pair are doing. Maybe they would help to reform their parents.
Speaker 1: We we actually we started it just because we wanted
Speaker 1: girls to feel at home in the workplace. And actually
Speaker 1: there was no other day devoted to girls, no national
Speaker 1: day devoted to girls at all. It turned out to
Speaker 1: be one of the few things that girls had that
Speaker 1: boys wanted. So now it's take your child to work
Speaker 1: day boys too. You know, I I had a son
Speaker 1: later in life, Walter Burgundy, and I should have brought
Speaker 1: him to work more often. You left him in the car.
Speaker 1: I left him in the car a lot, which is
Speaker 1: which is not the right thing to do. Um, Gloria,
Speaker 1: You've got in trouble with with Bernie Sanders supporters during
Speaker 1: the presidential race because you said the boys are with
Speaker 1: Bernie and with him running again, would you say the
Speaker 1: boys are back in town now? Actually I was talking
Speaker 1: about free tuition. I wasn't talking about sex, but the
Speaker 1: way because I was on my track of talking about
Speaker 1: free tuition and that's there. Therefore the boys were attracted
Speaker 1: to that, and the girls too. It ended up sounding
Speaker 1: like sex instead of an education. So completely end of no,
Speaker 1: end of problem. Um. Now, this is something you may
Speaker 1: not be able to answer, and I totally respected if
Speaker 1: you can't. But I was looking on Wikipedia, which we
Speaker 1: all know is controlled by the Russians. Um, were you
Speaker 1: involved in the CIA at one point? If you can't answer,
Speaker 1: you could just make the sound of a bird of prey.
Speaker 1: It's so much more boring than that. I hesitate to
Speaker 1: disappoint you, but I went to to Communist youth festivals
Speaker 1: UH several years apart, which was sponsored by the then
Speaker 1: Soviet Union and where where would that have taken place?
Speaker 1: There was one in Vienna, uh and one in Helsinki,
Speaker 1: I think, Oh fancy okay, So, and those the attendants
Speaker 1: at those festivals was sponsored by foundations that in turn,
Speaker 1: we're sponsored by a world federalist, a left wing person
Speaker 1: who was in the CIA and their forehead escaped McCarthy.
Speaker 1: M So. So it's it's it's kind of obscure, and
Speaker 1: it's it's not boring at all. Well, but the problem
Speaker 1: with it is that it makes it sound as if
Speaker 1: anyone was telling any of us what to do or say,
Speaker 1: which just wasn't true. So no one gave you like
Speaker 1: a lipstick that was actually a pistol or something like that.
Speaker 1: You didn't get any spy devices or anything like that. No,
Speaker 1: nothing like that or nothing like that. Well then yeah,
Speaker 1: that's really boring. It is. Yeah, no, it was. It
Speaker 1: was interesting, but it's just there are some initials, you know,
Speaker 1: that make everything sound subversive, and the CIA is are
Speaker 1: three of them. Well, it's funny because I have also
Speaker 1: never been involved with the CIA. Wink wink um. Here's
Speaker 1: a wild card question for you, which I thought of
Speaker 1: on my drive over here. What are some TV shows
Speaker 1: that you like, Well, I'm a news I'm a news junkie,
Speaker 1: so I confess that I'm almost always listening or looking
Speaker 1: at the news when I'm watching television. So are you're
Speaker 1: You're not, because I'm really into Roswell on the c
Speaker 1: w uh huh. Anyway, Um, now, if you didn't finish
Speaker 1: an entire school year until you were twelve, uh, much
Speaker 1: like myself, how do you think that affected your career? Well,
Speaker 1: at the time, I kind of wanted to go to
Speaker 1: school like other kids, you know, because I saw kids
Speaker 1: in movies. But looking back on it, I think it
Speaker 1: was a kind of good thing because I escaped a
Speaker 1: certain amount of brainwashing that I would have got in
Speaker 1: those years with Dick and Jane books and what girls
Speaker 1: were supposed to do when boys were supposed to do. Uh.
Speaker 1: And instead of that, I could just follow my interests
Speaker 1: and read anything. I mean, I hope it would be
Speaker 1: better now because schools are better now, but in that
Speaker 1: era especially, I think probably it was better to be
Speaker 1: able to follow my interests. Just so I'm following the math.
Speaker 1: That would have been sixth grade that you just took
Speaker 1: the year off. I think I entered sixth grade. I
Speaker 1: didn't enter at the very beginning, so probably seventh grade
Speaker 1: was my first full year because I sixth grade. That's
Speaker 1: a toughie, isn't it. I repeated it three times? Sixth grade? Um,
Speaker 1: you wrote a book about Marilyn Monroe, did you not? Yes?
Speaker 1: I did. Yeah. What was your fascination with with Marilyn Monroe?
Speaker 1: Was it? Was it just based on the fact that
Speaker 1: blonds have more fun? You know? I think that a
Speaker 1: lot of us have a kind of rescue fantasy about
Speaker 1: Marilyn Monroe. If she had lived at a time when
Speaker 1: there was a women's movement, might she still be alive?
Speaker 1: I mean, she had such a tough life. She was
Speaker 1: a foster kid, she was sexually abused, she was as
Speaker 1: an adult treat for her. Outside is not her inside's
Speaker 1: not her heart or her mind. And I've always been
Speaker 1: and I think a lot of people are a little
Speaker 1: haunted by the early end of her life and what
Speaker 1: might have been. I wrote a book on Marilyn Manson,
Speaker 1: and there's a Marylin right, yes, and it's still sitting
Speaker 1: on the shelf at the manuscript No one wants to
Speaker 1: publish it. So maybe you could help me publish my
Speaker 1: book on Marilyn Manson, Well, I probably would be a
Speaker 1: good thing to see how we could avoid having more
Speaker 1: of them. Great, let's get to work on that. I'll
Speaker 1: get your home address when we get off the podcast,
Speaker 1: and I'll just joke at your house and we can
Speaker 1: start working on that. Gloria, you famously said the truth
Speaker 1: will set you free, but first it will piss you off.
Speaker 1: Did you know that? Farrell Williams, the singer, songwriter producer,
Speaker 1: says that at the top of one of his latest songs, Lemon,
Speaker 1: no are you pissed? I don't. I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: mean to start a beef, but no, I'm honored to
Speaker 1: be to be quoted. I mean, I said, it is
Speaker 1: a kind of smartass thing to say, but it does
Speaker 1: have a lot of applications. The truth will set you free,
Speaker 1: but first of all, piss you off. What exactly does
Speaker 1: that mean? Do you think that we need to know
Speaker 1: how bad things are and then we're we're happy and
Speaker 1: then um, but then we get angry? Well I do?
Speaker 1: I mean, the truth will set you free comes from
Speaker 1: the Bible, So the idea of the truth was a
Speaker 1: religious truth. Um, I started to add, but first of all,
Speaker 1: piss you off during the Vietnam War era, because there
Speaker 1: were some young men who were carrying signs saying the
Speaker 1: truth will set you free them at the truth of
Speaker 1: the war would set them free from the draft, and
Speaker 1: it kind of uck with me from from that time forward,
Speaker 1: and being a smartass myself, I just started to say,
Speaker 1: but first it, we'll piss you off. And now I
Speaker 1: see it in amazing places. I mean, it's on campus,
Speaker 1: on bulletin boards, it's I saw it as a tattoo.
Speaker 1: It's uh, it's amazing birthday cake. Really, yeah, I've never
Speaker 1: seen that. And I love quotes anyway, because I think
Speaker 1: quotes are kind of populist poetry and they're short enough
Speaker 1: to remember, but smart enough to be memorable. Carolina gave
Speaker 1: me a wonderful book of quotations, very heavy, sturdy book.
Speaker 1: Um that is I use as a paperweight. Yes, very
Speaker 1: good use for books. And one of these days I'm
Speaker 1: going to crack it open and take a look to do.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's why I got it for you. Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm sure you've produced many great quotes. Yes, I've been
Speaker 1: quoted a fair amount of times, and I find it
Speaker 1: to be very flattering. But I cannot set myself on
Speaker 1: the same bar as you. There's no question. Well, it's
Speaker 1: just it is kind of populist poetry to to try
Speaker 1: to say things short. I think it also comes from
Speaker 1: being a magazine person and sitting around at editorial meetings
Speaker 1: trying to think of titles and blurbs and you know,
Speaker 1: how to how to be intriguing in a small space.
Speaker 1: One of my one of my favorite quotes, and I
Speaker 1: believe it was Sophocles who said, and I hope you
Speaker 1: get this right. If this van's a rocking, don't come
Speaker 1: a knocking God, I hope sophically said that, I hope
Speaker 1: he had fun. Oh you you know, Sophocles, he did,
Speaker 1: he did have fun. Uh. Gloria, we cannot thank you
Speaker 1: enough for coming on the podcast today. We know you
Speaker 1: have a incredibly busy schedule, so thank you for taking
Speaker 1: time and talking about your life and and you're welcome
Speaker 1: back anytime. Thank you so much for no thank you,
Speaker 1: Thank you everyone, Glorious Dynham will be will be right
Speaker 1: back on the Ron Burgundy Podcast after this break, and
Speaker 1: we're back for Ron Burgundy Podcast. Carolina, I don't know
Speaker 1: how you felt that. I I just I froze up
Speaker 1: like a like a I don't know something that's really
Speaker 1: frozen about freezing up? Yes, is formidable and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: she had a lot of compelling things to say, important things,
Speaker 1: and I don't know, I feel like I I feel
Speaker 1: like I dropped the ball up time. I felt like
Speaker 1: I mean, I just wanted to. I just hope she
Speaker 1: liked us. Yeah, that's the thing. I hope. Right, do
Speaker 1: you want me to ask? Let's yeah, why don't you
Speaker 1: try to reach your team and see if she likes us?
Speaker 1: Because I don't know if i'll sleep tonight, you know,
Speaker 1: just because I don't know if I put my best
Speaker 1: foot forward. Look, I'll say this, I'm not perfect, but
Speaker 1: I'm pretty damn good of the time. And this was
Speaker 1: in that you know where we don't know Old Ronnie
Speaker 1: had as you know what flying in the wind and
Speaker 1: you could tell where was all your your Sarah Lownds
Speaker 1: training didn't kick in blank, I don't know what happened,
Speaker 1: well as you can probably tell. I I learned a
Speaker 1: lot this season, even learned how to pronounce miss sand
Speaker 1: and new But it's time for me to go back
Speaker 1: to learning from my everyday life, learning from my long
Speaker 1: walks on a few of my neighbor's properties, learning from
Speaker 1: the trees, talking to the birds, hearing their side of things.
Speaker 1: What do you learn talking to the trees or birds?
Speaker 1: You wouldn't understand a man of nature. I mean by
Speaker 1: the pale color of your skin, I'd estimate you haven't
Speaker 1: been outside for a while. Come to think of, do
Speaker 1: you do you ever leave this podcast booth? Do you
Speaker 1: live here? Wait? Were you born here? Now? That's that's enough.
Speaker 1: Where do you shower in a sink like a baby?
Speaker 1: You don't have to answer that anyway. It's that time again.
Speaker 1: Today's episode was our last of season two. The season
Speaker 1: is over, and like the Barrenstein bears, it's time for
Speaker 1: us to go back into hibernation. There Stein bears didn't
Speaker 1: wait to you mean, just like a bear? Well, sure,
Speaker 1: any any park ranger or or you know, nature specialists
Speaker 1: will We'll tell you. There's many types of bears. There's
Speaker 1: the black bear, the brown bear, grizzly bear, polar bear,
Speaker 1: and the barren Stein bears. And they're the ones who
Speaker 1: wear clothes and live in a treehouse. And you know,
Speaker 1: when you see a grizzly you have to play dad, right, well,
Speaker 1: if you see a barren Stein bear, you should strike
Speaker 1: up a conversation and try to be reasonable. If they're
Speaker 1: they're really nasty, give them your watch. That's my last
Speaker 1: tip of the season. I bet you're you're glad you
Speaker 1: stay tuned to hear that jewel of advice. Anyway, we'd
Speaker 1: like to give a warm thank you to our listeners,
Speaker 1: a warm, warm thank you. We'd like to hug you,
Speaker 1: pat you on the head and tell you it's all
Speaker 1: going to be all right. Disregard all of the stuff
Speaker 1: about the Barrenstein bearries. Please, We just we just like
Speaker 1: to thank everyone for tuning in. That's it, that's all,
Speaker 1: And we'd like to invite you to our cabin for
Speaker 1: a cup of hot cider. Wrap you in a warm
Speaker 1: wool blanket. Ah, look outside, the snow was falling. The
Speaker 1: ice has frozen over the nearby pond. Oh look a fox.
Speaker 1: Until next time when I have you in my house
Speaker 1: and we can really talk man to man. This was
Speaker 1: the Ron Burgundy Podcast. Thank you for joining. The truth
Speaker 1: will set you free, but first it'll piss you off.
Speaker 1: The Ron Burgundy Podcast is a production of I Heart
Speaker 1: Radio and funnier doc I'm Ron Burgundy, the host, writer
Speaker 1: and executive producer. Carolina Barlow is my co host, writer
Speaker 1: and producer. Our producers are Jack O'Brien, Nick Stump, Myles Gray,
Speaker 1: and Whitney Out. Our executive producer is Mike farre Our
Speaker 1: consulting producer is Andrew Steele. Our coordinating producer is Colin McDougall.
Speaker 1: Our associate producers are Anna Hosnier and Sophie Lechterman. Our
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Speaker 1: This episode was engineered, mixed, and edited by Nick Stop.
Speaker 1: Until next time, this is Ron Burgundy.