1 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:21,279 Speaker 1: Podcast. Hey Mama, Good morning Angels, Good morning Charlie. What's 2 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 1: going on with toppening? I thought we could do an 3 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: episode of Charlie's Angels today instead of the podcast. I 4 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 1: thought it. I thought it could be fun, maybe switch 5 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: gears a little bit. We could talk to illegal about it. 6 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:33,480 Speaker 1: But today it's actually a big interview, so we should 7 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: just stick to the script. Okay, okay, Yes, yesterday is 8 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:41,840 Speaker 1: a big day. Our topic is feminism and we will 9 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:46,839 Speaker 1: have Glorious Steinum on the phone today. Gloria Steinhum. You 10 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:49,519 Speaker 1: have seen her picture. She wears a nice pair of 11 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 1: Aviator glasses, a Kashmir turtleneck, and a tiny little cowboy 12 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: hat perched on the top of her head. I think 13 00:00:56,920 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: she got it from a doll. No, one of those 14 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: things is not true. But yes, we're talking to work 15 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:04,959 Speaker 1: Sun today. She's calling in. I'm excited and Um, I'm 16 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 1: a little bit nervous. Nervous. Okay, why are you nervous? Oh? 17 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 1: Are you afraid your speech impediment might act up? I don't. 18 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:16,119 Speaker 1: I don't have a speech impediment. No, it's that thing, 19 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:18,759 Speaker 1: you know where your voice gets really high and annoying. 20 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 1: I think that's just my voice. Oh sorry, Well, the 21 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: good news is at least you're not on the radio, 22 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 1: You're just on a podcast. Maybe you can just maybe 23 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:37,319 Speaker 1: you can try a different voice, one that's easier to 24 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 1: listen to. Back to our guests today. Your voice is 25 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: as if a small little singing bird had an evil 26 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 1: crow as a sister, one that crows and crows until 27 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 1: little children scream and run into their homes. Okay, let's 28 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 1: move on back to our guests today. Right, Carolina is 29 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: nervous about talking to Glorious Steadem. I'm not, but Carolina is. 30 00:01:59,880 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 1: I'm actually more nervous about you talking to Glorious. But 31 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: my why really? Because my voice isn't annoying. It's smooth, 32 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: like a like a Coultrane solo. Your voice is like 33 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: if someone handed a bunch of eight year old some 34 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:15,920 Speaker 1: clarinets and told them to blow as hard as they can. 35 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 1: This is why I'm nervous about you talking to Glorius Steinham. 36 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 1: I just can't stress what an important figure she is 37 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: to the feminist movement. And you can just be I 38 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: can be what, Oh, I can be Bosley from Charlie's Angels. Okay, 39 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: we'll talk to legal, but we can't play Charlie's Angels 40 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: this episode anyway. Glory Steinham is a woman who has 41 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 1: worked her whole life for the feminist movement, and you 42 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: can be a little misogynistic. How dare you? How dare 43 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: you call me that? That word that? What does that 44 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:56,799 Speaker 1: word mean in English? It's it's French we ron. Misogyny 45 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 1: is when you act prejudiced against women. I know what 46 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 1: that where it means? Well, you're writing it down on 47 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:05,079 Speaker 1: your notepad with a question mark next to it, and 48 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: you and you spelled it round. Oh and I bet 49 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 1: that is misogyness, misogyn Listen, sometimes you just treat women differently, 50 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:17,679 Speaker 1: So please, I'm interested. After our first season wrapped, you 51 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:20,959 Speaker 1: gave all the guys cigars and all the girls tootoose 52 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: and ballerina slippers. Yes, and I got size of leven 53 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:27,799 Speaker 1: for you big feet care liner. You're welcome. By the way, 54 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: How are those ballet classes coming better than that African 55 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: drumming class you took at the Y Huh? I think well, 56 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 1: and just want you to recognize that they're equal to 57 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: men and that our interests aren't necessarily whatever the patriarchy 58 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 1: is deemed feminine. Yes, right? Are you writing? Is that 59 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 1: patriarchy you're writing down? I'm writing something else. I'm writing St. 60 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: Patrick's Day, remember when, don't forget St Patrick's Day this year. 61 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: That's what I'm writing. So you saw the pay of Patrick, 62 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: the saint who drove all the snakes out of Ireland. 63 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 1: Let's just try and keep an open mind today. Carolina, 64 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 1: you're so nervous to talk to Gloria's She's very she's 65 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,599 Speaker 1: just really I get I am, I am, well, I'm not. 66 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 1: That's the headline here. I'm gonna go in and we're 67 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: gonna go toe to toe, right, very well. Well, but 68 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 1: as she tangled with Ron Burgundy, no the journalist, I 69 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: don't think so. I don't think so. All right, yeah, 70 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 1: all right, we'll see what happens. You know, you're not 71 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 1: talking to some piece of wallpaper here, No, you're You're 72 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:44,599 Speaker 1: a formidable figure. So I'm gonna I'm gonna get in 73 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: there and I'm gonna give as much as I get. Okay, right, 74 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:55,600 Speaker 1: once we come back from commercial, Oh yes, glorious, I'm 75 00:04:55,640 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 1: watch out all right, and we are back. This is 76 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:13,839 Speaker 1: Ron Burgundy on the Ron Burgundy Podcast, And as promised, 77 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:18,359 Speaker 1: we are joined by feminist icon. Glorious Steinham, Gloria, I 78 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: just have to ask you this, coming out of the gate. 79 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:31,280 Speaker 1: What's up, my lady. It's an honor m um. Do 80 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 1: you uh let me look at my notes here? You 81 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 1: you your name is Gloria. You went to Smith College, 82 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 1: I believe, and um that's located in New Mexico. Uh 83 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 1: close Massachusetts. Oh well, not close at all. Sorry, um, 84 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 1: Smith College. I want to ask you you, in today's 85 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 1: world of AI and robots replacing all of us, is 86 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 1: there any value anymore in a liberal arts education. It's 87 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 1: valuable just to sit in the same room with other people, 88 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:21,919 Speaker 1: because it turns out that we can't empathize or really 89 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 1: learn on a screen or without all five senses. So 90 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 1: whatever the experience is, we need to spend at least 91 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:34,839 Speaker 1: as much time with each other as we do looking 92 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:38,159 Speaker 1: at a screen or listening. With all due respect to 93 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 1: this listening. We're trending towards avoiding human contact. But but 94 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: we have to somehow maintain that. You know, there's a 95 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: reason why solitary confinement is torture. We are communal animals. 96 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 1: We have to be together. All kinds of bad things 97 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:59,720 Speaker 1: have mounted since we've been looking at screens, depression, sadness. 98 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 1: So aside, we need to spend at least as much 99 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 1: time with other people as we do with objects. Do 100 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:09,479 Speaker 1: you hear that, Carolina? So you need to stay off here, Yeah, 101 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 1: put down your iPhone exactly. No more screen time. Let's 102 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: make eye contact, okay for future? Yes, well, I totally 103 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 1: agree with you, Gloria. I mean luckily for me, I 104 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 1: don't even have any sort of sell your device. I 105 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 1: still have a hard line and a rotary dial phone. 106 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 1: So I'm contributing positively, I think, Gloria. Yes, I'm here, 107 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 1: I'm here, okay. Um I want to you. So after 108 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 1: college you spent a couple of years in India. Is that? 109 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: Is that correct? Yes? That's right? And what was was that? 110 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 1: Like the craziest spring break ever? Is that? What? It was? 111 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: The longest, the longest and the craziest. But it turned 112 00:07:55,440 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 1: out to change my life in all kinds of positive ways. Although, 113 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: to be honest, I was escaping getting married, I was engaged. 114 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 1: I needed to go very far away. But but I'm 115 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 1: glad I chose India. And you talk about taking the 116 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: train in India and that being sort of a revolutionary 117 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: experience right, Yes, because first of all, the train system 118 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 1: is very good, and the third class cars, especially the 119 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 1: women's third class cars, are like traveling dormitories or women's groups. 120 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 1: The women you know, looked after me. We got an 121 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:47,079 Speaker 1: endless difficult conversations. Difficult mainly because I couldn't speak handy. Um, no, 122 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:50,560 Speaker 1: it was, And I spent a couple of days, you know, 123 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 1: going down the coast in a train in that car. Well, 124 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 1: if you can take solace, I can't speak hindy either, 125 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 1: so um, I would have been in the same boat, 126 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 1: our train or train. Yes, um, Gloria, you you worked 127 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 1: undercover as a playboy bunny when you were a journalist. Um, 128 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 1: during that experience, did you run into any misogyny? Well, 129 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 1: probably not, because they were not smart enough to know 130 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:25,559 Speaker 1: what the word was, So yeah, tell me about it was. 131 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 1: It was. It was just wall to wall exploitation. It 132 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:32,439 Speaker 1: was an assignment to write an article, and X was 133 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 1: a I had invented a background of being a secretary 134 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: and wanting a more interesting job because the advertisements for 135 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 1: being a bunny said that this was a glamorous, wonderful job. 136 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 1: But the bunny mother who interviewed me said honey, if 137 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:51,439 Speaker 1: you can type, you don't want to work here. That 138 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 1: should have been a warning. That should have been warning. 139 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 1: Was that in was that in Chicago? No? Here in 140 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 1: New York? And yet I don't know if people even 141 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 1: know what Playboy magazine is nowadays, you know, you know, 142 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 1: I'm I'm sorry to say that that now here in 143 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 1: Manhattan a Playboy club has just opened, even though it 144 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:18,319 Speaker 1: was given up as uh, totally out of date, even 145 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 1: by Hefner. So I'm not quite sure how the one 146 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 1: here is able to call itself a playboy club, but 147 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:27,959 Speaker 1: it's pretty crazy that they just opened it a few 148 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: months ago. Well, I used to have I had a 149 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: subscription for as long as I can remember. And I'm 150 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 1: not just saying this because I'm talking to you. I 151 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:41,439 Speaker 1: read it strictly for the articles. Uh. You know, they 152 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: had a formula even in the articles that in no 153 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 1: way were women allowed to win. I mean that was 154 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 1: was Hefner's formula. You know, whatever was printed or whatever 155 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 1: was photographed, it had to be clear that men were dominant. 156 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: Holy smokes, you and his sat in pajamas? Huh. Well, 157 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:06,439 Speaker 1: I do think he was kind of pathetic and insecure, 158 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 1: you know what I once gotten a fist fight with 159 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:16,080 Speaker 1: him at the Playboy Mansion. Kidding well, they lost my car. 160 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: The valet lost my car, and so I had to 161 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 1: spend three weeks at the Playboy Mansion. Um, it was. 162 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 1: It was the worst three weeks of my life because 163 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 1: of all the Missalgermy. Yeah, Gloria, you were. You were 164 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 1: part of the effort, in conjunction with miss Foundation for Women, 165 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 1: to institute a take our Daughters to Work Day. Um, 166 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 1: let me ask you this. Do you think gambling bookies 167 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 1: should be taking their daughters to work? Or drug lords? 168 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 1: You know, why did you start such a dangerous holiday? Well, 169 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 1: now that you say that, I think it might not 170 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 1: be bad for kids to see the terrible things their 171 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 1: pair are doing. Maybe they would help to reform their parents. 172 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 1: We we actually we started it just because we wanted 173 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: girls to feel at home in the workplace. And actually 174 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:17,959 Speaker 1: there was no other day devoted to girls, no national 175 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:20,560 Speaker 1: day devoted to girls at all. It turned out to 176 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 1: be one of the few things that girls had that 177 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: boys wanted. So now it's take your child to work 178 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 1: day boys too. You know, I I had a son 179 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 1: later in life, Walter Burgundy, and I should have brought 180 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:38,679 Speaker 1: him to work more often. You left him in the car. 181 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 1: I left him in the car a lot, which is 182 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 1: which is not the right thing to do. Um, Gloria, 183 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 1: You've got in trouble with with Bernie Sanders supporters during 184 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 1: the presidential race because you said the boys are with 185 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 1: Bernie and with him running again, would you say the 186 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:59,199 Speaker 1: boys are back in town now? Actually I was talking 187 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 1: about free tuition. I wasn't talking about sex, but the 188 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:08,079 Speaker 1: way because I was on my track of talking about 189 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 1: free tuition and that's there. Therefore the boys were attracted 190 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 1: to that, and the girls too. It ended up sounding 191 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 1: like sex instead of an education. So completely end of no, 192 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: end of problem. Um. Now, this is something you may 193 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 1: not be able to answer, and I totally respected if 194 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 1: you can't. But I was looking on Wikipedia, which we 195 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 1: all know is controlled by the Russians. Um, were you 196 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 1: involved in the CIA at one point? If you can't answer, 197 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 1: you could just make the sound of a bird of prey. 198 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 1: It's so much more boring than that. I hesitate to 199 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:54,439 Speaker 1: disappoint you, but I went to to Communist youth festivals 200 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 1: UH several years apart, which was sponsored by the then 201 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:02,319 Speaker 1: Soviet Union and where where would that have taken place? 202 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:08,679 Speaker 1: There was one in Vienna, uh and one in Helsinki, 203 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 1: I think, Oh fancy okay, So, and those the attendants 204 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 1: at those festivals was sponsored by foundations that in turn, 205 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: we're sponsored by a world federalist, a left wing person 206 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 1: who was in the CIA and their forehead escaped McCarthy. 207 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 1: M So. So it's it's it's kind of obscure, and 208 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 1: it's it's not boring at all. Well, but the problem 209 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 1: with it is that it makes it sound as if 210 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 1: anyone was telling any of us what to do or say, 211 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: which just wasn't true. So no one gave you like 212 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 1: a lipstick that was actually a pistol or something like that. 213 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 1: You didn't get any spy devices or anything like that. No, 214 00:14:57,080 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 1: nothing like that or nothing like that. Well then yeah, 215 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 1: that's really boring. It is. Yeah, no, it was. It 216 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 1: was interesting, but it's just there are some initials, you know, 217 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 1: that make everything sound subversive, and the CIA is are 218 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 1: three of them. Well, it's funny because I have also 219 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 1: never been involved with the CIA. Wink wink um. Here's 220 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 1: a wild card question for you, which I thought of 221 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 1: on my drive over here. What are some TV shows 222 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 1: that you like, Well, I'm a news I'm a news junkie, 223 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 1: so I confess that I'm almost always listening or looking 224 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 1: at the news when I'm watching television. So are you're 225 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 1: You're not, because I'm really into Roswell on the c 226 00:15:55,120 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 1: w uh huh. Anyway, Um, now, if you didn't finish 227 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 1: an entire school year until you were twelve, uh, much 228 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 1: like myself, how do you think that affected your career? Well, 229 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 1: at the time, I kind of wanted to go to 230 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 1: school like other kids, you know, because I saw kids 231 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 1: in movies. But looking back on it, I think it 232 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 1: was a kind of good thing because I escaped a 233 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 1: certain amount of brainwashing that I would have got in 234 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 1: those years with Dick and Jane books and what girls 235 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: were supposed to do when boys were supposed to do. Uh. 236 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 1: And instead of that, I could just follow my interests 237 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 1: and read anything. I mean, I hope it would be 238 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 1: better now because schools are better now, but in that 239 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 1: era especially, I think probably it was better to be 240 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 1: able to follow my interests. Just so I'm following the math. 241 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 1: That would have been sixth grade that you just took 242 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 1: the year off. I think I entered sixth grade. I 243 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 1: didn't enter at the very beginning, so probably seventh grade 244 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 1: was my first full year because I sixth grade. That's 245 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 1: a toughie, isn't it. I repeated it three times? Sixth grade? Um, 246 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 1: you wrote a book about Marilyn Monroe, did you not? Yes? 247 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:29,159 Speaker 1: I did. Yeah. What was your fascination with with Marilyn Monroe? 248 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:32,159 Speaker 1: Was it? Was it just based on the fact that 249 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:37,679 Speaker 1: blonds have more fun? You know? I think that a 250 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:41,639 Speaker 1: lot of us have a kind of rescue fantasy about 251 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:45,640 Speaker 1: Marilyn Monroe. If she had lived at a time when 252 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 1: there was a women's movement, might she still be alive? 253 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 1: I mean, she had such a tough life. She was 254 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:58,640 Speaker 1: a foster kid, she was sexually abused, she was as 255 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 1: an adult treat for her. Outside is not her inside's 256 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: not her heart or her mind. And I've always been 257 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: and I think a lot of people are a little 258 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:12,639 Speaker 1: haunted by the early end of her life and what 259 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:16,400 Speaker 1: might have been. I wrote a book on Marilyn Manson, 260 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 1: and there's a Marylin right, yes, and it's still sitting 261 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 1: on the shelf at the manuscript No one wants to 262 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 1: publish it. So maybe you could help me publish my 263 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 1: book on Marilyn Manson, Well, I probably would be a 264 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 1: good thing to see how we could avoid having more 265 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 1: of them. Great, let's get to work on that. I'll 266 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 1: get your home address when we get off the podcast, 267 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 1: and I'll just joke at your house and we can 268 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 1: start working on that. Gloria, you famously said the truth 269 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 1: will set you free, but first it will piss you off. 270 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:58,120 Speaker 1: Did you know that? Farrell Williams, the singer, songwriter producer, 271 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:00,679 Speaker 1: says that at the top of one of his latest songs, Lemon, 272 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 1: no are you pissed? I don't. I don't. I don't 273 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 1: mean to start a beef, but no, I'm honored to 274 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 1: be to be quoted. I mean, I said, it is 275 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 1: a kind of smartass thing to say, but it does 276 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 1: have a lot of applications. The truth will set you free, 277 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 1: but first of all, piss you off. What exactly does 278 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:22,640 Speaker 1: that mean? Do you think that we need to know 279 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:27,399 Speaker 1: how bad things are and then we're we're happy and 280 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:30,399 Speaker 1: then um, but then we get angry? Well I do? 281 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:32,719 Speaker 1: I mean, the truth will set you free comes from 282 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:36,199 Speaker 1: the Bible, So the idea of the truth was a 283 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 1: religious truth. Um, I started to add, but first of all, 284 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 1: piss you off during the Vietnam War era, because there 285 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:51,399 Speaker 1: were some young men who were carrying signs saying the 286 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:53,439 Speaker 1: truth will set you free them at the truth of 287 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 1: the war would set them free from the draft, and 288 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: it kind of uck with me from from that time forward, 289 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 1: and being a smartass myself, I just started to say, 290 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,399 Speaker 1: but first it, we'll piss you off. And now I 291 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:13,680 Speaker 1: see it in amazing places. I mean, it's on campus, 292 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 1: on bulletin boards, it's I saw it as a tattoo. 293 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:26,120 Speaker 1: It's uh, it's amazing birthday cake. Really, yeah, I've never 294 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:30,160 Speaker 1: seen that. And I love quotes anyway, because I think 295 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:36,920 Speaker 1: quotes are kind of populist poetry and they're short enough 296 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:42,200 Speaker 1: to remember, but smart enough to be memorable. Carolina gave 297 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 1: me a wonderful book of quotations, very heavy, sturdy book. 298 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:55,120 Speaker 1: Um that is I use as a paperweight. Yes, very 299 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 1: good use for books. And one of these days I'm 300 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:00,159 Speaker 1: going to crack it open and take a look to do. 301 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 1: I mean, that's why I got it for you. Yes, 302 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 1: I'm sure you've produced many great quotes. Yes, I've been 303 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: quoted a fair amount of times, and I find it 304 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 1: to be very flattering. But I cannot set myself on 305 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 1: the same bar as you. There's no question. Well, it's 306 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 1: just it is kind of populist poetry to to try 307 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 1: to say things short. I think it also comes from 308 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 1: being a magazine person and sitting around at editorial meetings 309 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 1: trying to think of titles and blurbs and you know, 310 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:34,719 Speaker 1: how to how to be intriguing in a small space. 311 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 1: One of my one of my favorite quotes, and I 312 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 1: believe it was Sophocles who said, and I hope you 313 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 1: get this right. If this van's a rocking, don't come 314 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:54,640 Speaker 1: a knocking God, I hope sophically said that, I hope 315 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:58,359 Speaker 1: he had fun. Oh you you know, Sophocles, he did, 316 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 1: he did have fun. Uh. Gloria, we cannot thank you 317 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,439 Speaker 1: enough for coming on the podcast today. We know you 318 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 1: have a incredibly busy schedule, so thank you for taking 319 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 1: time and talking about your life and and you're welcome 320 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 1: back anytime. Thank you so much for no thank you, 321 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 1: Thank you everyone, Glorious Dynham will be will be right 322 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:30,440 Speaker 1: back on the Ron Burgundy Podcast after this break, and 323 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:35,719 Speaker 1: we're back for Ron Burgundy Podcast. Carolina, I don't know 324 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 1: how you felt that. I I just I froze up 325 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 1: like a like a I don't know something that's really 326 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:52,199 Speaker 1: frozen about freezing up? Yes, is formidable and uh, you know, 327 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,359 Speaker 1: she had a lot of compelling things to say, important things, 328 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 1: and I don't know, I feel like I I feel 329 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:02,159 Speaker 1: like I dropped the ball up time. I felt like 330 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 1: I mean, I just wanted to. I just hope she 331 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 1: liked us. Yeah, that's the thing. I hope. Right, do 332 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 1: you want me to ask? Let's yeah, why don't you 333 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:17,160 Speaker 1: try to reach your team and see if she likes us? 334 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,639 Speaker 1: Because I don't know if i'll sleep tonight, you know, 335 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 1: just because I don't know if I put my best 336 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 1: foot forward. Look, I'll say this, I'm not perfect, but 337 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 1: I'm pretty damn good of the time. And this was 338 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 1: in that you know where we don't know Old Ronnie 339 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 1: had as you know what flying in the wind and 340 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 1: you could tell where was all your your Sarah Lownds 341 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 1: training didn't kick in blank, I don't know what happened, 342 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 1: well as you can probably tell. I I learned a 343 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 1: lot this season, even learned how to pronounce miss sand 344 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 1: and new But it's time for me to go back 345 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 1: to learning from my everyday life, learning from my long 346 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 1: walks on a few of my neighbor's properties, learning from 347 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: the trees, talking to the birds, hearing their side of things. 348 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,160 Speaker 1: What do you learn talking to the trees or birds? 349 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 1: You wouldn't understand a man of nature. I mean by 350 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 1: the pale color of your skin, I'd estimate you haven't 351 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 1: been outside for a while. Come to think of, do 352 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 1: you do you ever leave this podcast booth? Do you 353 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 1: live here? Wait? Were you born here? Now? That's that's enough. 354 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,439 Speaker 1: Where do you shower in a sink like a baby? 355 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 1: You don't have to answer that anyway. It's that time again. 356 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:52,439 Speaker 1: Today's episode was our last of season two. The season 357 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 1: is over, and like the Barrenstein bears, it's time for 358 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 1: us to go back into hibernation. There Stein bears didn't 359 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 1: wait to you mean, just like a bear? Well, sure, 360 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 1: any any park ranger or or you know, nature specialists 361 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 1: will We'll tell you. There's many types of bears. There's 362 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 1: the black bear, the brown bear, grizzly bear, polar bear, 363 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,160 Speaker 1: and the barren Stein bears. And they're the ones who 364 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 1: wear clothes and live in a treehouse. And you know, 365 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,399 Speaker 1: when you see a grizzly you have to play dad, right, well, 366 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:27,680 Speaker 1: if you see a barren Stein bear, you should strike 367 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:31,160 Speaker 1: up a conversation and try to be reasonable. If they're 368 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 1: they're really nasty, give them your watch. That's my last 369 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 1: tip of the season. I bet you're you're glad you 370 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 1: stay tuned to hear that jewel of advice. Anyway, we'd 371 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,360 Speaker 1: like to give a warm thank you to our listeners, 372 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 1: a warm, warm thank you. We'd like to hug you, 373 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 1: pat you on the head and tell you it's all 374 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:54,160 Speaker 1: going to be all right. Disregard all of the stuff 375 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,119 Speaker 1: about the Barrenstein bearries. Please, We just we just like 376 00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,360 Speaker 1: to thank everyone for tuning in. That's it, that's all, 377 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 1: And we'd like to invite you to our cabin for 378 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 1: a cup of hot cider. Wrap you in a warm 379 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 1: wool blanket. Ah, look outside, the snow was falling. The 380 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:14,360 Speaker 1: ice has frozen over the nearby pond. Oh look a fox. 381 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 1: Until next time when I have you in my house 382 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:21,919 Speaker 1: and we can really talk man to man. This was 383 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:30,920 Speaker 1: the Ron Burgundy Podcast. Thank you for joining. The truth 384 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,400 Speaker 1: will set you free, but first it'll piss you off. 385 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 1: The Ron Burgundy Podcast is a production of I Heart 386 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 1: Radio and funnier doc I'm Ron Burgundy, the host, writer 387 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:49,920 Speaker 1: and executive producer. Carolina Barlow is my co host, writer 388 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 1: and producer. Our producers are Jack O'Brien, Nick Stump, Myles Gray, 389 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 1: and Whitney Out. Our executive producer is Mike farre Our 390 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 1: consulting producer is Andrew Steele. 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