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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from coast to coast. AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeart Radio. Let's go east of the Rockies. And Doug

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Speaker 1: is in the Garden State, Beautiful New Jersey. Doug, good

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Speaker 1: morning and welcome to coast. Yes, it is beautiful. Spring

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Speaker 1: starting to kake in, and the robins were singing and

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Speaker 1: we're warming up out here. Yes, I have a question.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out if I had an out

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Speaker 1: of body experience or a near death experience. It we're

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Speaker 1: going back about thirty five or forty years now. I

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Speaker 1: was young and stupid. It was a winter's day. My

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Speaker 1: brother and I had gone ice fishing. I had made

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Speaker 1: a few holes in the icy We had about six

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Speaker 1: inches of ice under us, very solid, no problems there. Well,

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Speaker 1: I want to make one more hole, and I'm holding

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Speaker 1: onto a seventy five pound gas powered ice auger. And

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Speaker 1: as soon as the bit had caught, I went right

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Speaker 1: through the ice, straight straight through. The shock of the

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Speaker 1: ice water just made me freeze up. And I held

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Speaker 1: on to this auger and it took me right to

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Speaker 1: the bottom. Oh Lord, And I let go of it

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Speaker 1: and I started swimming up. And as I came up,

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Speaker 1: I realized I was nowhere near the hole. I didn't

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Speaker 1: know where the hole was. I was just banging on

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Speaker 1: the ice. I could see my brother and another gentleman

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Speaker 1: at this time, who appeared from from where I don't know,

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Speaker 1: and they were pointing to where the hole was, but

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Speaker 1: the ice wasn't clear enough for me to see this.

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Speaker 1: I was just following their body direction, and eventually I

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Speaker 1: had just led out the last you know, the air

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Speaker 1: that I had in my lungs, and I blacked out.

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Speaker 1: That's all I remember. The next thing I knew, I

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Speaker 1: was coming to and my brother and this other gentleman

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Speaker 1: were throwing me over the back of a snow mobile

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Speaker 1: and they were driving away. And I'm standing there next

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Speaker 1: to the hole, yelling to them, where are you going?

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Speaker 1: Don't don't leave me here. I'm gonna die a frost bite.

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Speaker 1: Come back and get me. And as I'm yelling this,

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Speaker 1: I realized that that is me sitting on the back.

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Speaker 1: I took there. They have lady on the back of

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Speaker 1: the snowmobile, and I started running toward them, and they're

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Speaker 1: not paying no attention out looking in my direction. And

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Speaker 1: even when they did, they didn't, you know, take notice

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Speaker 1: of me in any way shape or for him. He

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Speaker 1: took the gentleman with the ace with the snowmobile, drove

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Speaker 1: right to my brother's car. He put the heat on

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Speaker 1: the car. They cut the clothes off of Mecus By

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Speaker 1: now driving across the lake, they were almost frozen solid. Uh,

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Speaker 1: He's yelling, there, you know, where's the closest hospital around here?

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Speaker 1: He says, I just know where the lakes are. I'm

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Speaker 1: from her. He starts giving them directions, and I'm yelling,

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Speaker 1: what the hell are you doing me? I don't you know?

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Speaker 1: Why are you helping him? This? This? This guy you

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Speaker 1: got in the car help me? And they're not looking

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Speaker 1: in my direction or anything. And all of a sudden

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Speaker 1: I awake inside the car from the heat and everything else.

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Speaker 1: I come out of the shock, and the second that

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Speaker 1: that happened, me standing outside the car yelling at them,

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Speaker 1: had disappeared. So I was I was in two places

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Speaker 1: at the same time, watching my dilemma and knowing that

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Speaker 1: I was unconscious because I was there watching the dilemma unfold. Remarkable. Remarkable.

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Speaker 1: That's what I call a class A out of body

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Speaker 1: experience or near death experience. I don't think they're mutually

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Speaker 1: you began the phone call asking was it an OBE

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Speaker 1: or an NDE. I don't think they're mutually exclusive. I

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Speaker 1: think an NDE can give rise to an out of

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Speaker 1: body experience. But wow, I mean, that's an amazing experience.

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Speaker 1: I have heard people say that that when they had

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Speaker 1: the added body experiences, they they had floated above themselves

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Speaker 1: and they could see down what was going on and whatnot.

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Speaker 1: But I was. I was literally standing there watching them

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Speaker 1: drive off with the snowmobile, saying, you know what do

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Speaker 1: I make you know? Do you have any do you

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Speaker 1: have any idea how long you were unconscious and whether

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Speaker 1: your heart had stopped at any point that I don't know.

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Speaker 1: When when they got me there, they had the fellow

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Speaker 1: there with the with the snowmobile. He drove up to

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Speaker 1: the the the sort of a coffee and hot chocolate

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Speaker 1: hut he would drove up there. And this was back

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Speaker 1: before cell phones. He drove up to the hut and said,

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Speaker 1: Cole nine one one, tell him the fellow coming in

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Speaker 1: with a with a hypothermic brother. He's on his way,

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Speaker 1: And I didn't. I had come too. When we were

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Speaker 1: in the car on the way there right when that's

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Speaker 1: hat when that happened. That's when I was no longer

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Speaker 1: outside the car watching the car drive away. Well, you

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Speaker 1: must have taken in some water, I'm assuming did your

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Speaker 1: brother or this other gentleman. Did they perform any sort

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Speaker 1: of CPR or how did they get the water out

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Speaker 1: of your lungs? They did? The thing was that I

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Speaker 1: had when I had released just I just released that

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Speaker 1: last breath of air that was in my lungs, and

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Speaker 1: when I did, I had blacked out. They reached under

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Speaker 1: the ice and they grabbed a hold of my shoes

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Speaker 1: and pulled me straight, you know, straight back and out

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Speaker 1: of the ice. They got me to where the ice

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Speaker 1: was a bit thicker because they were afraid they were

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Speaker 1: going to fall through this. You know, it turned out

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Speaker 1: the reason why I went through the ice so easily

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Speaker 1: is the place where I went to decide to make

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Speaker 1: They drilled the last hole was right underneath an up

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Speaker 1: swallowen ups spring that was causing the ice to form

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Speaker 1: any thicker than you know, makes sense? How did this

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Speaker 1: change your life? I'm still at the devout fisherman. I

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Speaker 1: fish as much as I possibly can, but I do

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Speaker 1: not and will not ever go ice fishing again. That's

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Speaker 1: that's for them, sure, but but well, I can understand that.

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Speaker 1: But in terms of your outlook on life and your

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Speaker 1: your attitude, I after seeing myself being driven away on

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Speaker 1: the back of a snowmobile and realizing that I was

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Speaker 1: in two places at one time, I knew from then

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Speaker 1: on them I always had faith. I was brought up,

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Speaker 1: you know, Irish Catholic, always had faith. But it's strengthened

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Speaker 1: it in ways that you have no no idea. It

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Speaker 1: lets me know that, yes, there is a life after death.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that I did die. Nobody confirmed that,

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Speaker 1: you know, like that was conscious when I got to

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Speaker 1: the house, but I may have, you know, gone out

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Speaker 1: for a while there and uh, but I definitely believe

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Speaker 1: there was something after this, and for whatever reason, we're

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Speaker 1: not going to know the answer until the time for

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Speaker 1: us to go there and find out, I guess. Doug,

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Speaker 1: Thank you for sharing. That was a remarkable story. Listen

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