WEBVTT - S2 – 4: The Way, The Truth, The Lie

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<v Speaker 1>Welcomed Unobscured, a production of I Heart Radio and Aaron Minky.

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<v Speaker 1>Bell had known him for decades. When they were children

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<v Speaker 1>growing up in the Dutch community along the Hudson River,

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<v Speaker 1>the two had played together, the Dutch Boy and the

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<v Speaker 1>Black Girl, enslaved by his neighbors. Isaac's father had owned

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<v Speaker 1>slaves as well, but as he grew up, he and

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<v Speaker 1>his brother rejected its brutality. Bell had lived through that brutality, though,

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<v Speaker 1>and the scars on her back would be a reminder

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<v Speaker 1>of its evil for the rest of her life. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>somewhere along the way, Belle had heard that Isaac condemned

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<v Speaker 1>the evil that his neighbors considered normal. Maybe it was

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<v Speaker 1>just their mutual friends who told Bell that Isaac would

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<v Speaker 1>lend her a hand, whatever the case. On July, Bell

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<v Speaker 1>knocked on Isaac's door. When he welcomed her inside. Bell

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<v Speaker 1>stepped in, holding her infant daughter, and then quickly explained

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<v Speaker 1>what had happened. By that time, though the man she

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<v Speaker 1>had escaped was hard on her heels. Soon enough, a

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<v Speaker 1>second fist was pounding on Isaac's door, his voice demanding

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<v Speaker 1>that Bell come back to his home, to his land.

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<v Speaker 1>The slavery, never wanted to shrink from danger or oppression.

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<v Speaker 1>Bell answered back, yes, she was here, but no, she

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<v Speaker 1>would never go back to her old life. Furious, the

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<v Speaker 1>pair continued to spar until Isaac stepped in and paid

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<v Speaker 1>the man off. He marched back out to the road,

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<v Speaker 1>fuming with anger and frustration, his money clenched in a

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<v Speaker 1>tight fist. Isaac turned to Bell and said, there is

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<v Speaker 1>but one master, and he who is your master is

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<v Speaker 1>my master. The pair stood together as they always had,

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<v Speaker 1>nothing more than children of God, following his voice, agonizing

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<v Speaker 1>days were ahead, though Bell stayed as a guest with

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<v Speaker 1>Isaac's family while she decided what to do next. But

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of her children were still held captive, and

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<v Speaker 1>Isaac heard news one day the Bell's five year old son, Peter,

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<v Speaker 1>a spirited, mischievous, inquisitive boy, had disappeared from the farm.

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<v Speaker 1>Asking more questions, they learned that the man's nephew had

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<v Speaker 1>taken the boy to New York City and sold him

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<v Speaker 1>to Alabama. The malice behind the sale was clear. Bell

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<v Speaker 1>charged back to the farm and confronted the family. The

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<v Speaker 1>farmer's wife mocked her and spat venomous slurs. Both at

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<v Speaker 1>her and her boy. But whenever she recalled that moment

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<v Speaker 1>years later, Bell would say, I was sure God would

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<v Speaker 1>help me to get him. I felt as if the

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<v Speaker 1>power of the nation was with me. But she knew

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<v Speaker 1>the nation she imagined, the one that honored her dignity

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<v Speaker 1>and worth, was still struggling to be born. For now.

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<v Speaker 1>The United States was still gripped by what she called

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<v Speaker 1>a national sin that made America Babylon instead of New Israel.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's historian Margaret Washington. This is our second sense of

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<v Speaker 1>what a powerhouse this woman is going to be. The

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<v Speaker 1>first one is when she challenges her owner and flees.

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<v Speaker 1>The second one is when she will not accept the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that her son has been sold. And she basically

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<v Speaker 1>campaigned all over the neighborhood of Ulster County, rilling people

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<v Speaker 1>about this, and especially the Quakers, because it is against

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<v Speaker 1>the law. But what enslaved woman has the wherewithal to

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<v Speaker 1>challenge the slave power? Antislavery? Quakers rallied to her cause

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<v Speaker 1>and helped to pay for a lawyer, But when they

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<v Speaker 1>reached the courtroom, things were already tilted against Bell. The

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<v Speaker 1>district attorney on the case was another nephew of the

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<v Speaker 1>farmer that Bell had escaped. The jury was a collection

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<v Speaker 1>of other wealthy slaveholders and their relatives, and at one

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<v Speaker 1>point the Justice of the Peace even suggested pain Bell

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<v Speaker 1>six hundred dollars to settle trial. But this was her

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<v Speaker 1>son's life on the line. Belle raised Hell, and she

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<v Speaker 1>had allies on her side, Quakers, yes, but also the

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<v Speaker 1>spirits of her dead father and the spirit of God himself.

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<v Speaker 1>She talked with God as she traveled the countryside organizing support.

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<v Speaker 1>By the day of the trial, well healed country squires

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<v Speaker 1>were squaring off on both sides of the case. It

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<v Speaker 1>took a year, but in the end, Bell and her

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<v Speaker 1>son Peter won their reunion under the laws of New York,

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<v Speaker 1>much to the anger of some of the states citizens.

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<v Speaker 1>Bell would later talk about these divisions in New York

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<v Speaker 1>as a spiritual contest like the one between Babylon and Israel,

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<v Speaker 1>a contest for the soul of the nation. But for

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<v Speaker 1>too many women like Bell, that fight was not just

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<v Speaker 1>a metaphor. Her story makes clear what was at stake

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<v Speaker 1>in the battles she would fight for the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>her life, whether the next generation of black Americans would

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<v Speaker 1>continue to be shuffled from bondage to bondage for the

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<v Speaker 1>profit of powerful slaveholders, or whether black families would be

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<v Speaker 1>able to break the system of chattel slavery rebel The

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<v Speaker 1>fight was as personal as it gets, but Bell didn't

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<v Speaker 1>struggle alone. Together with her friends and the anti slavery

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<v Speaker 1>societies of the Northeast, including those in Rochester, she became

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<v Speaker 1>part of something bigger, a movement, a driving force of

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<v Speaker 1>radicalism and revolution, a force that was all too familiar

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<v Speaker 1>to someone else, the spiritualists. This is unobscured. I'm Aaron Manky.

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<v Speaker 1>The call to freedom was spiritual. You'll remember that when

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<v Speaker 1>Bell freed herself, she was following the voice of God,

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<v Speaker 1>and when she took up the fight for her son's freedom,

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<v Speaker 1>she viewed it as a divine mission. In fact, most

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<v Speaker 1>radical reformers in the eighteen hundreds were intensely religious. One

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<v Speaker 1>abolitionist would later say that she left her church more

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<v Speaker 1>because it was comfortable with slavery than because she stopped

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<v Speaker 1>believing any of its teachings. Even Amy and Isaac Post

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<v Speaker 1>criticized their fellow Quakers not because they rejected the religion,

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<v Speaker 1>but because they saw how corrupt some Quakers had become.

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<v Speaker 1>When Bell started living with a family known as the

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<v Speaker 1>Van Wagoners. She joined them from Methodist camp meetings in

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<v Speaker 1>rural New York. She found in the New Church a

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<v Speaker 1>warm antislavery community who welcomed black converts and black preaching.

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<v Speaker 1>And at these meetings she started to have amazing experiences.

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<v Speaker 1>The feeling of Jesus presence, cool and refreshing and as

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<v Speaker 1>she would later say, be mean with the beauty of

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<v Speaker 1>holiness would wash over her. And it was an experience

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<v Speaker 1>that she wanted to share, so she started to preach,

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<v Speaker 1>telling the story of her fight to recover her son.

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<v Speaker 1>When Methodists from New York City visited and heard her

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<v Speaker 1>freedom sermons, they were struck. Here's historian Margaret Washington. Once again,

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<v Speaker 1>They essentially said, your message is too important for you

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<v Speaker 1>to be here. She had a kind of specialness about

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<v Speaker 1>her because of her experiences, because of her capacity to communicate,

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<v Speaker 1>keeping in mind that her English is not very good,

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<v Speaker 1>but she's able to communicate with him even with her

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<v Speaker 1>broken English and her Dutch rogue, in a way so

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<v Speaker 1>that they find her incredibly inspiring. And she becomes a

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<v Speaker 1>Revivalist preacher. And there was plenty of preaching to do

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<v Speaker 1>for fifteen years she taught about the moral reform and

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<v Speaker 1>renewal of the nation. In New York City, she opened

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<v Speaker 1>a Sabbath school in the infamous Five Points neighborhood, known

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<v Speaker 1>for its theaters, saloons, dance halls, and brothels. Among the

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<v Speaker 1>other New York Methodists who are preaching a reformed society, though,

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<v Speaker 1>there was one man who would give Bell her first

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<v Speaker 1>glimpse at seeing her faith and best impulses exploited by others.

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<v Speaker 1>He called himself Matthias, and he was among the Methodists

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<v Speaker 1>who objected when church leaders said that they wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>make the Methodist Church less radical and more respectable. Here's

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<v Speaker 1>Margaret Washington again, by the lady eteen twenties. The Methodists

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to become just like High Church. They wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>become like Presbyterians and Congregationalists. All the things that made

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<v Speaker 1>me tois m a religion of expression, those were left

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<v Speaker 1>by the wayside, and concerned for the poor, those were

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<v Speaker 1>left by the wayside. And so people who were Methodists

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<v Speaker 1>objected to this. So they left the Methodist Church and

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<v Speaker 1>founded these little perfectionist cells, and the Matthias Kingdom grew

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<v Speaker 1>out of one of those Yes, you heard that right.

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<v Speaker 1>The Matthias Kingdom, you see, it started with the Communal

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<v Speaker 1>House downtown, a place where these newly independent Methodists could

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<v Speaker 1>keep caring for the poor and teaching the people that

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<v Speaker 1>the other church leaders wanted to leave behind, like those

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<v Speaker 1>suffering from cholera in New York. Sixth ward not to

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<v Speaker 1>mention the city sex workers or all of the families

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<v Speaker 1>who were simply struggling as they tried to find jobs

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<v Speaker 1>inside the slums. When none of matthias followers were hit

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<v Speaker 1>by cholera, they took it as a sign they were

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<v Speaker 1>on God's path. But working in the Five Points put

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<v Speaker 1>Matthias and Bell in the crosshairs of the law. They

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<v Speaker 1>were too unsavory for the polished up image of the

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<v Speaker 1>Methodist church. They made enemies among church leaders, and that

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<v Speaker 1>left them vulnerable. After their home was raided by the police,

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<v Speaker 1>Matthias was thrown into an asylum. When he was released,

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<v Speaker 1>he decided it was time for his followers to leave

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<v Speaker 1>the city. But that's when things went sideways. Bell found

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<v Speaker 1>herself in a mansion outside the cities. Matthias said that

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<v Speaker 1>his goal, like Aiden Blue, was to form a perfect

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<v Speaker 1>community that he called Zion Hill. It would be a

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<v Speaker 1>place of temperance, clean living, prayer and unity. But when

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<v Speaker 1>Bell arrived, she realized the reality didn't pass the smell test.

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<v Speaker 1>You see, Matthias had made some wealthy friends, and from

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<v Speaker 1>their new center of gravity outside the city, they started

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<v Speaker 1>plotting a run of real estate speculation downtown. They also

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<v Speaker 1>threw temperance to the wind. Lavish meals turned to lavish parties.

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<v Speaker 1>Lavish parties turned into something more. Soon Matthias was teaching

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<v Speaker 1>that God had given him the right to other men's wives,

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<v Speaker 1>and the families in the commune fell into a series

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<v Speaker 1>of backstabbing, recriminations, and eventually even criminal charges. When one

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<v Speaker 1>of the men died. That's when one of the women

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<v Speaker 1>who had been sleeping with Matthias tried to pin the

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<v Speaker 1>murder on Bell. Here's Dr Washington again. So she wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to put the blame on the colored woman. And that

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<v Speaker 1>would make sense to the average white New Yorker, because

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<v Speaker 1>part of the attitudes toward black women was that they

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<v Speaker 1>were loose women. Bell wasn't afraid though. She'd been to

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<v Speaker 1>court before, as we've already seen, and she had won.

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<v Speaker 1>And the one of the ways in which she got

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<v Speaker 1>prepared is she went to an editor and told her

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<v Speaker 1>story of the commune, which I'm in the process of reproducing,

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<v Speaker 1>republishing her story of what happened. And she said, as

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<v Speaker 1>it's a wonderful quote. I've got the truth on my side,

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<v Speaker 1>and I can crush them with the truth. Not only

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<v Speaker 1>did Matthias and his followers fail to pin the death

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<v Speaker 1>on Bell, but she turned the situation around and sued

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<v Speaker 1>them for defamation of character, and she won. Bell didn't

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<v Speaker 1>quite leave the situation unscathed, though. She came out of

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<v Speaker 1>the Kingdom of Matthias with a new disgust for flamboyant

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<v Speaker 1>leaders and for how easily the desire for a loving

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<v Speaker 1>community could be turned to selfish ends. She also had

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<v Speaker 1>a renewed reliance on her own internal compass and the

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<v Speaker 1>voices of spirits who would guide her better than any

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<v Speaker 1>charismatic preacher ever could. Other tragedies soon followed, though. Bell's son, Peter,

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<v Speaker 1>who had grown from that five year old boy into

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<v Speaker 1>a working sailor, died at sea, and the political landscape

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<v Speaker 1>in New York was changing too. Somehow, despite their work,

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<v Speaker 1>pro slavery forces had risen to power Harry in the

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<v Speaker 1>way of all that tragedy, Bell left the city, and

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<v Speaker 1>it was this journey that finally led her into a

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<v Speaker 1>new identity, when the Voice of God confirmed that it

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<v Speaker 1>was her calling for the rest of her life to

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<v Speaker 1>travel and teach and to crush her adversaries with the truth.

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<v Speaker 1>That same voice of God comforted her when a Quaker

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<v Speaker 1>woman mocked her for still carrying the name she'd had

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<v Speaker 1>in slavery. As true as God, as true, the Voice

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<v Speaker 1>had said to her. So she took a new name,

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<v Speaker 1>Sojourner Truth. That she could do. It was, in her

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<v Speaker 1>own words, a name with a handle to it. At

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<v Speaker 1>the age of forty six, she began traveling between Methodist camps, working, cooking,

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<v Speaker 1>and preaching both religion and abolition. Unfortunately, Sojourner Truths run

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<v Speaker 1>in with Matthias wasn't the only time the story of

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<v Speaker 1>Spiritualism saw predators ready to take advantage of a heartfelt faith.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems that as Spiritualism grew, there were more and

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<v Speaker 1>more wolves waiting in the shadows. Victoria was named after

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<v Speaker 1>the Queen. We can't be sure why. At the time,

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<v Speaker 1>it was a tribute that must have seemed even stranger

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<v Speaker 1>than the Davis family naming their boy for a presidential candidate,

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<v Speaker 1>especially for a family that lived in a wood shack

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<v Speaker 1>on the side of a hill in Homer, Ohio. The

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<v Speaker 1>story goes that the kids in the neighborhood like to

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<v Speaker 1>run along the rickety porch so that they could hear

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<v Speaker 1>the boards rattle. But it wasn't just the house that

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<v Speaker 1>barely held together, it was the family too. Victoria's spirit

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<v Speaker 1>ecstasies came from her mother Anna. She had been a

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<v Speaker 1>poor girl who elevated her station in life by working

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<v Speaker 1>as a maid for the governor of Pennsylvania. But the

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<v Speaker 1>governor's son, John, was as venal and entitled as anyone

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<v Speaker 1>born to wealth and power you can imagine, and as

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<v Speaker 1>friends were worse. Friends like Buck Claflin, a law school dropout,

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<v Speaker 1>put his talents and intelligence in service to his predatory instincts.

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<v Speaker 1>When Buck fell in with the governor's son and the

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<v Speaker 1>pair started stealing horses to assemble a private racing stable,

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<v Speaker 1>he was living in the room next door to Anna.

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<v Speaker 1>When Buck and Anna married in eighteen five, she was

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<v Speaker 1>already three months pregnant. Buck and John didn't know which

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<v Speaker 1>of them was the father. During their painful marriage, Anna

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<v Speaker 1>would give birth on average every two years over a

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<v Speaker 1>twenty year period. She followed Buck when he parted ways

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<v Speaker 1>with John, but it wasn't for security. They bounced from

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<v Speaker 1>one Pennsylvania river town to another, while Buck ran taverns

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<v Speaker 1>and crude riverboats. Here's author Mary Gabriel Buck class and

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<v Speaker 1>her father was a notorious thief arsonist. He called himself

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<v Speaker 1>a lawyer, but his main connection to the law was

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<v Speaker 1>breaking it. When two of their daughters died of typhus,

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<v Speaker 1>and his grief hardened into permanent bitterness. Her only solace

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<v Speaker 1>came in the fervor of her the just visions, and

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<v Speaker 1>she wasn't quiet about it either. Here's Mary Gabriel again. Basically,

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<v Speaker 1>the mother would go out and kind of have hallucinations

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<v Speaker 1>and shout to the skies her problems about her husband

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<v Speaker 1>and said what she was doing was speaking to it

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<v Speaker 1>to spirits from another world after dead relatives or her

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<v Speaker 1>dead children. The problem was Buck saw Anna's zeal as

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<v Speaker 1>one more way to play at a game. He convinced

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<v Speaker 1>Anna to start setting up a table as a fortune

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<v Speaker 1>teller at local fairs. When he caught wind of the

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<v Speaker 1>new science of mesmerism. Well, he added that to her

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<v Speaker 1>act as well. By the time Victoria and her younger sister,

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<v Speaker 1>Tennessee were born, Anna had a habit of falling into

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<v Speaker 1>trances and firing invisible energies into her daughters to cure

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<v Speaker 1>them when they were sick. By the time her children

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<v Speaker 1>had survived the vulnerable days of their infancy, Anna was

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<v Speaker 1>convinced that she had the power to heal. But she

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<v Speaker 1>went further. Anna told her daughter Victoria that she had

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<v Speaker 1>other eyes, eyes she could use to see the girl's thoughts,

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<v Speaker 1>and that when she doctored the girls with mesmerism, she

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<v Speaker 1>healed not just their bodies, but sanctified their souls as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Anna might have gained another eye, but somewhere along the way,

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<v Speaker 1>Buck had lost one, almost two on the nose for

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<v Speaker 1>his approach to life. One writer calls Buck a one eyed,

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<v Speaker 1>one man crime spree, and honestly, that's just about right.

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<v Speaker 1>With his wife so focused on healing, Buck joined in

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<v Speaker 1>selling bottles of a life elixir for one dollar each,

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<v Speaker 1>a mix of alcohol, opium, herbs, and molasses, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was popular, but Anna probably took more of it than

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<v Speaker 1>anyone else. It seems that everything Buck tried his hand

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<v Speaker 1>out was a con except maybe for the violence that

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<v Speaker 1>was real enough. He was brutal with his wife and

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<v Speaker 1>his children. Things were so bad in their household that

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<v Speaker 1>one of Victoria's brothers disappeared when he was thirteen to

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<v Speaker 1>escape the family's vicious life. Victoria, though, followed in her

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<v Speaker 1>mother's footsteps. Religious x to sees, lifted her spirit out

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<v Speaker 1>of the violent home. In one of their neighborhoods, Victoria

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<v Speaker 1>found daily refuge with a woman who fed her, washed

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<v Speaker 1>her hair, and taught her to read and write. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a comforting and carrying presence in an otherwise harsh world.

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<v Speaker 1>But when that neighbor died, the sense that only a

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<v Speaker 1>different world could provide an escape from suffering lodged into

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<v Speaker 1>Victoria's heart. She would later say that her neighborhood friend's

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<v Speaker 1>spirit was her first visitation. As Victoria wept over the

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<v Speaker 1>woman's death, the woman's tender hearted ghost took her by

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<v Speaker 1>the hand, lifted her off the ground, and for three

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<v Speaker 1>hours the pair soared over Homer, Ohio. Except to her

0:18:40.640 --> 0:18:43.680
<v Speaker 1>mother Anna, it only looked as if Victoria had collapsed

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<v Speaker 1>on the floor rather than flying. She lay as if

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<v Speaker 1>dead for three hours. That wasn't the last time it

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<v Speaker 1>would happen either. Trances and paralysis became a regular part

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<v Speaker 1>of Victoria's life. Then other remarkable thing started to happen

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<v Speaker 1>around her. Anna reported that once, when Victoria was taking

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<v Speaker 1>care of a sick baby, the girl fell into a

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<v Speaker 1>trance and the baby's fever dropped. Years before spiritualism arrived

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<v Speaker 1>in New York, it seemed that Victoria was already a

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<v Speaker 1>trance healer. When Victoria was ten, Buck ensured the unused

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<v Speaker 1>gristmill on the land near their shack for four thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>Then it mysteriously caught fire while he was drinking at

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<v Speaker 1>a nearby pub. When Buck tried to collect the insurance,

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<v Speaker 1>the neighbors random out of town, but they didn't think

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<v Speaker 1>that he worked alone. In fact, they suspected Anna and

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<v Speaker 1>Victoria of helping him set the fire. Buck had been

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<v Speaker 1>the town's postmaster too, and when he was gone, they

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<v Speaker 1>discovered a trunk filled with empty envelopes addressed to homer residence.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems mail theft could be added to his long

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<v Speaker 1>string of offenses. In the winter of eighty eight, when

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<v Speaker 1>the Fox sisters were meeting the ghost of a murdered

0:19:59.040 --> 0:20:01.800
<v Speaker 1>peddler who claimed be buried in their basement. The women

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<v Speaker 1>of Homer, Ohio were organizing a fundraiser to pay for

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<v Speaker 1>Anna's exit. She packed up the kids into a wagon

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<v Speaker 1>and rattled off over the frozen ground. Hard scrabble years

0:20:11.640 --> 0:20:14.800
<v Speaker 1>would follow, but so would greater and greater interest in

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<v Speaker 1>communicating with the spirits. When he finally rejoined his wife

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<v Speaker 1>and children, Buck knew that the spirits were on the move.

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<v Speaker 1>There was never a trusting soul that Buck couldn't exploit,

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<v Speaker 1>and as always, he took out every scheme, impulse, and

0:20:29.440 --> 0:20:35.359
<v Speaker 1>outburst on his daughter's Victoria was rarely strong enough to work, though,

0:20:35.440 --> 0:20:38.879
<v Speaker 1>so Buck began using his youngest daughter, seven year old Tennessee,

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<v Speaker 1>in his schemes. He dressed up a wagon with a

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<v Speaker 1>bright red canopy, blue trim, and a playbill announcing the

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<v Speaker 1>wonder child who would channel spirits. After their first tour,

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<v Speaker 1>he roped in the sickly Victoria. In eighteen forty one,

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<v Speaker 1>he opened rooms at the boarding house in Mount Gilead, Ohio,

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<v Speaker 1>and broadcast that his fourteen year old daughter, Vick Torria,

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<v Speaker 1>was a medium. Just like the Fox sisters. She could

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<v Speaker 1>hold seances, convey spirit messages, and make spirit music. All

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<v Speaker 1>for the low low price of just one dollar per

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<v Speaker 1>visit the opiate of the masses. By now, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>famous put down of religion. In the eighteen fifties, there

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<v Speaker 1>were plenty of folks who thought it was a perfect

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<v Speaker 1>description of spiritualism, and with people like Buck on the scene,

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<v Speaker 1>who could blame them if the new movement was going

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<v Speaker 1>to be dismissed as a con game, though, there would

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<v Speaker 1>need to be some proof. Mediums and their seance visitors

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<v Speaker 1>were certainly witnesses to something, but what exactly. When the

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<v Speaker 1>Fox sisters were sitting at Barnum's Hotel in the summer

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<v Speaker 1>of eighteen fifty, they convinced many of their observers that

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<v Speaker 1>there was no better explanation than the one they gave.

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<v Speaker 1>They were simply well tuned instruments of the spirits. Among

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<v Speaker 1>those converts was Horace Greeley. He was the publisher of

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<v Speaker 1>the New York Tribune and a significant intellectual figure in

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<v Speaker 1>American life. In August of that year, he wrote in

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<v Speaker 1>his newspaper that the girls had been put to every

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<v Speaker 1>reasonable test. They had absorbed keen and critical scrutiny. No

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<v Speaker 1>one could detect any method of fraud as far as

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<v Speaker 1>Horace could tell, whatever the origin of the noises might be,

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<v Speaker 1>he wrote, Leah, Maggie and Kate did not manufacture them.

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<v Speaker 1>An opposing verdict arrived that winter. You see, the Fox

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<v Speaker 1>sisters left New York City in the fall and started

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<v Speaker 1>touring throughout the Northeast. In December, they spent three weeks

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<v Speaker 1>in Buffalo. The following February, three professors from the University

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<v Speaker 1>of Buffalo published a joint letter in the local newspaper.

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<v Speaker 1>Unlike Horace Greeley, they said they had a better explanation

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<v Speaker 1>than spirit contact for the strange rapping sounds. It was,

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<v Speaker 1>they said, simply the popping of knee joints. Leah, managing

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<v Speaker 1>the public face of her younger sisters, immediately challenged the

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<v Speaker 1>professors to of it, which they accepted. The game was on.

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<v Speaker 1>Things didn't exactly go well for the Fox sisters, though.

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<v Speaker 1>The tests left the doctors unconvinced, and they didn't mind

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<v Speaker 1>saying so. But when the professors published their findings, it

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<v Speaker 1>was clear that they were looking down their noses at

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<v Speaker 1>the girls from the start. Their report called Leah, Maggie

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<v Speaker 1>and Kate the Rochester females, and according to some readers.

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<v Speaker 1>Those doctors had been a little too eager to see

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<v Speaker 1>what they wanted in the tests. The report described how

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<v Speaker 1>the three men gripped the girl's legs and help them

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<v Speaker 1>in a static position. During those sittings, there were no

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<v Speaker 1>strange knocking sounds. When the girls were allowed to sit

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<v Speaker 1>comfortably on the sofa with their feet on the floor

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<v Speaker 1>and without the professors squeezing their legs, the tapping sounds resumed.

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<v Speaker 1>The three professors agreed that this was definitive proof that

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<v Speaker 1>their theory was right. The fox sisters, they claimed, had

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<v Speaker 1>created the sounds with popping joints. Here's historian Kathy Gautier ris,

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<v Speaker 1>the existence of fake flowers does not disprove the existence

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<v Speaker 1>of real ones. The idea that because there are occasional cheaters,

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<v Speaker 1>or that an actual medium occasionally cheats, is sort of

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<v Speaker 1>easily incorporated into the world view. So if you thought

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<v Speaker 1>they were ridiculous began with you continued to think they

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<v Speaker 1>were ridiculous after the Buffalo investigations, And if you thought

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<v Speaker 1>they were the real deal, but they are just kids

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<v Speaker 1>put in this awkward position, so sometimes it got slippery,

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<v Speaker 1>then that's what you thought. This wasn't the most damaging test, though,

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<v Speaker 1>no that came in April of the same year, when

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<v Speaker 1>The New York Herald decided to go head to head

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<v Speaker 1>with Horace Greeley's New York Tribune. In an article co

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<v Speaker 1>signed by a doctor and a minister, one of the

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<v Speaker 1>Fox in laws, Mrs Culver gave some damning testimony. She

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<v Speaker 1>said that for two years she had believed the knocking

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<v Speaker 1>sounds were genuine communication from the dead. That is until

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<v Speaker 1>a recent visit when Maggie was away and Kate asked

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<v Speaker 1>for some assistance with a seance. That was when, according

0:25:09.280 --> 0:25:13.040
<v Speaker 1>to Mrs Culver, Kate showed her how it worked. She

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<v Speaker 1>said that Kate told her it was the girls who

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<v Speaker 1>made the knocking sounds by popping their knees and toes

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<v Speaker 1>in the early tests. Mrs Culver said the girls had

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<v Speaker 1>accomplices who knocked on the walls from the room next

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<v Speaker 1>door when necessary. Taken together, these accounts caused to stir

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<v Speaker 1>The first, the three Buffalo professors, came from people who

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<v Speaker 1>leaned on their academic credentials. The second, the New York

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<v Speaker 1>Herald challenge, came with the flavor of an exposed cover up.

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<v Speaker 1>Writing on the social standing of religious and medical authorities

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<v Speaker 1>from both angles. These articles claimed that the Fox Sisters

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<v Speaker 1>the Rochester females were tricksters and the movement that trusted

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<v Speaker 1>them as four Runners and champions was based on a

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<v Speaker 1>simple prank that had grown into a massive fraud. These

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<v Speaker 1>debunking effort were all about what was true, but they

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<v Speaker 1>also carried a whiff of the town meetings in Wisconsin

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<v Speaker 1>when the leaders of the community got together to shut

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<v Speaker 1>down Cora and Mary, who had challenged their authority. On

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<v Speaker 1>one level, debunking was an attempt to hold back the

0:26:14.000 --> 0:26:18.200
<v Speaker 1>opportunistic frauds of the world, predatory hucksters like buck Laughlin,

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<v Speaker 1>But too often it was also clearly an attempt to

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<v Speaker 1>keep society's reigns in the hands of the professor's, doctors

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<v Speaker 1>and ministers who had held them for so long. And

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<v Speaker 1>of course, being convinced of spirit contact wasn't the only

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<v Speaker 1>reason that someone might pay a few pennies to step

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<v Speaker 1>into a concert hall and see young women shuddering entrances

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<v Speaker 1>on stage, or to slide a dollar over to a

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<v Speaker 1>medium's manager or an evening's meeting with her in a

0:26:45.160 --> 0:26:48.840
<v Speaker 1>dimly lit parlor. But spiritual belief was just one of

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<v Speaker 1>the many conflicting reasons for holding hands around a seance table.

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<v Speaker 1>It could also have been a thirst for thrills, for

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<v Speaker 1>a night of entertainment, or a simple curiosity about something bizarre.

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<v Speaker 1>Two amateur sleuths, what could be more tantalizing than a

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<v Speaker 1>chance to go out and do a little fraud detection

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<v Speaker 1>of your own. But don't take these early attacks on

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<v Speaker 1>spiritualism at purely face value. Yes, they were assaults on

0:27:14.080 --> 0:27:17.600
<v Speaker 1>a new and growing movement, but there were something else too,

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<v Speaker 1>Because when it came to turning tables for a profit,

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes even bad press was good business. Cora was headed

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<v Speaker 1>back to Spiritualism's heartland. She had traveled with her father

0:27:38.160 --> 0:27:41.720
<v Speaker 1>all over Wisconsin, speaking in trances and working with her

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<v Speaker 1>German doctor to heal illnesses. But they had received tragic news.

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<v Speaker 1>Their friend Aidan Blue, whose Hope Dale community was their

0:27:50.760 --> 0:27:55.480
<v Speaker 1>original launchpad, had suffered a blow. His son, Augustus had died.

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<v Speaker 1>The boy had only been nineteen, but had also been

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<v Speaker 1>an ardent follower of his father's teaching. He was an

0:28:01.520 --> 0:28:06.199
<v Speaker 1>apt scholar, an enthusiastic reader of European socialist writers, and

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<v Speaker 1>an eloquent speaker. But now he was dead. Under normal

0:28:10.840 --> 0:28:14.119
<v Speaker 1>circumstances that might only have required some mailed gift or

0:28:14.200 --> 0:28:17.320
<v Speaker 1>a message of sympathy. But the times were new, and

0:28:17.400 --> 0:28:21.320
<v Speaker 1>it seemed that Augustus wasn't done preaching just yet. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>word of his death reached Cora and her father before

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<v Speaker 1>the message that raced over the telegraph lines to the west.

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<v Speaker 1>You see, Augustus had begun to speak through Coras trances.

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<v Speaker 1>From this point forward, he would become one of her

0:28:34.160 --> 0:28:37.600
<v Speaker 1>most common spirit controls, and he had more words of

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<v Speaker 1>hope and healing for his country and for his father.

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<v Speaker 1>So in the summer of eighteen fifty two, Cora and

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<v Speaker 1>her father boarded the very same steamer that had brought

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<v Speaker 1>them to Wisconsin, a canal boat called the Globe, to

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<v Speaker 1>make their way back to New York. By the time

0:28:53.120 --> 0:28:55.760
<v Speaker 1>they reached their destination, they had a new convert to

0:28:55.800 --> 0:28:58.920
<v Speaker 1>Cora's cause. The captain of the boat had suffered from

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<v Speaker 1>an ulcerous fever sore. When Cora sat with him during

0:29:02.240 --> 0:29:05.160
<v Speaker 1>the voyage, his pain had cleared and the ulcers started

0:29:05.200 --> 0:29:08.240
<v Speaker 1>to close. He was just one of thousands who would

0:29:08.280 --> 0:29:13.640
<v Speaker 1>experience something miraculous in her presence. They brought word back

0:29:13.680 --> 0:29:16.720
<v Speaker 1>east from Augustus to his family in Hopedale, but also

0:29:16.840 --> 0:29:19.960
<v Speaker 1>to Cuba, New York, where Cora's father grew up. There

0:29:19.960 --> 0:29:23.400
<v Speaker 1>were no Mrs Culver's and Corus family. Her large circle

0:29:23.440 --> 0:29:26.000
<v Speaker 1>of relatives paved the way for her to speak in school,

0:29:26.000 --> 0:29:29.800
<v Speaker 1>district houses, and town halls across the county. Despite all

0:29:29.840 --> 0:29:32.880
<v Speaker 1>the fake flowers in the garden, a medium was blooming

0:29:32.960 --> 0:29:35.560
<v Speaker 1>in the family, and in the spring of eighteen fifty

0:29:35.560 --> 0:29:40.760
<v Speaker 1>two that meant something. With Augustus Blue as her spirit guide,

0:29:40.840 --> 0:29:45.040
<v Speaker 1>Corus trances started to become more complex. Soon it wasn't

0:29:45.120 --> 0:29:48.120
<v Speaker 1>just Augustus. Like the crowds of spirits that arrived in

0:29:48.240 --> 0:29:51.480
<v Speaker 1>Rochester to speak through Isaac Post, a full roster of

0:29:51.560 --> 0:29:55.680
<v Speaker 1>significant figures appeared in her spirit sessions. She would speak

0:29:55.720 --> 0:29:59.640
<v Speaker 1>on philosophy, she would speak on ethics. One writer remarked

0:29:59.640 --> 0:30:02.400
<v Speaker 1>that ardless of whether her lectures were her own thoughts

0:30:02.680 --> 0:30:06.160
<v Speaker 1>or truly from a spirit control, they would have astonished him,

0:30:06.160 --> 0:30:10.000
<v Speaker 1>coming from the most accomplished orator in the world. But

0:30:10.120 --> 0:30:12.880
<v Speaker 1>things changed for Cora when her father died in eighteen

0:30:12.920 --> 0:30:17.400
<v Speaker 1>fifty four. Her mother and siblings retreated to the Hopetale community,

0:30:17.440 --> 0:30:21.160
<v Speaker 1>but Cora's fame had outgrown its shelter. And that's when

0:30:21.200 --> 0:30:24.160
<v Speaker 1>Cora was invited to join a spiritualist circle in Buffalo,

0:30:24.440 --> 0:30:27.960
<v Speaker 1>where the university inquisition had wrung the Fox Sisters dry

0:30:28.000 --> 0:30:32.400
<v Speaker 1>two years earlier. Just fourteen years old, Cora took up

0:30:32.440 --> 0:30:35.880
<v Speaker 1>the challenge, and it threw her star into the sky.

0:30:36.000 --> 0:30:38.760
<v Speaker 1>When she arrived, there were plenty of friendly spiritualists to

0:30:38.800 --> 0:30:42.040
<v Speaker 1>watch out for her when the interrogations came, and come

0:30:42.160 --> 0:30:46.680
<v Speaker 1>they did. James Mapes, professor of chemistry there, decided that

0:30:46.720 --> 0:30:49.200
<v Speaker 1>he would be the first. He challenged Cora to speak

0:30:49.240 --> 0:30:52.160
<v Speaker 1>for the spirits on geology. The text of the spirit

0:30:52.240 --> 0:30:55.120
<v Speaker 1>lecture is lost to us, but by the end Mapes

0:30:55.240 --> 0:30:58.440
<v Speaker 1>was stunned. I have been all my long life an

0:30:58.440 --> 0:31:02.600
<v Speaker 1>investigator on scientific subjects, he said, but I stand here

0:31:02.640 --> 0:31:07.640
<v Speaker 1>this afternoon dumb before this girl. More friends in high

0:31:07.680 --> 0:31:10.800
<v Speaker 1>places followed. One of them was Samon P. Chase, the

0:31:10.840 --> 0:31:13.640
<v Speaker 1>former senator who had been elected governor of Ohio in

0:31:13.720 --> 0:31:18.920
<v Speaker 1>eighteen fifty. A host of other professional skeptics, lawyers, doctors,

0:31:18.960 --> 0:31:23.200
<v Speaker 1>and scientific agnostics were also baffled by her. At least,

0:31:23.280 --> 0:31:26.840
<v Speaker 1>that's the story that comes down to us. Not so

0:31:26.880 --> 0:31:31.160
<v Speaker 1>easily dismissed as a simple trickster. Cora instead directly confronted

0:31:31.200 --> 0:31:35.840
<v Speaker 1>the man's world of the intellectual elite, and somehow she thrived.

0:31:37.320 --> 0:31:40.640
<v Speaker 1>The first Spiritual Society of Buffalo ballooned as a result.

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<v Speaker 1>By the summer of eighteen fifty five. They had to

0:31:43.000 --> 0:31:46.160
<v Speaker 1>rent out a larger hall for their regular meetings. Of course,

0:31:46.200 --> 0:31:49.840
<v Speaker 1>they made Cora their centerpiece. As we've seen though, such

0:31:49.880 --> 0:31:53.120
<v Speaker 1>a bright light also tends to attract moths, which is

0:31:53.160 --> 0:31:57.440
<v Speaker 1>where she met Dr Benjamin F. Hatch. As one historian

0:31:57.480 --> 0:32:01.320
<v Speaker 1>puts it, his m d was um self awarded in

0:32:01.360 --> 0:32:04.480
<v Speaker 1>his fifties. He had been, like Buck Laflin, a pitchman

0:32:04.600 --> 0:32:06.840
<v Speaker 1>for a number of cures that he talked to patients

0:32:06.920 --> 0:32:10.520
<v Speaker 1>under false credentials until he landed on his golden ticket.

0:32:10.720 --> 0:32:18.200
<v Speaker 1>That is Here's historian John Busher, Benjamin Hatch was alternative

0:32:18.560 --> 0:32:22.200
<v Speaker 1>physician in that time. That could mean almost anything. In

0:32:22.240 --> 0:32:26.360
<v Speaker 1>his case, it meant that he was one who was

0:32:26.640 --> 0:32:31.120
<v Speaker 1>very intent on using masmerism as part of his tools.

0:32:33.400 --> 0:32:36.600
<v Speaker 1>He must have projected an air of success. He was

0:32:36.640 --> 0:32:40.280
<v Speaker 1>convincing enough to Cora's friends and then to Cora herself.

0:32:40.680 --> 0:32:44.520
<v Speaker 1>In fact, he convinced the girl to marry him after

0:32:44.560 --> 0:32:47.080
<v Speaker 1>he pulled her out of Buffalo. Benjamin put her name

0:32:47.120 --> 0:32:50.040
<v Speaker 1>in lights. It was as Cora Hatch that she would

0:32:50.040 --> 0:32:52.920
<v Speaker 1>become best known. But the story of Benjamin and Cora

0:32:53.040 --> 0:32:56.000
<v Speaker 1>would become a major scandal in the spiritualist movement over

0:32:56.080 --> 0:33:01.160
<v Speaker 1>the next five years. Here's Kathy Gutierrez once again. She

0:33:01.280 --> 0:33:06.040
<v Speaker 1>was very beautiful, and every single newspaper account of her

0:33:06.360 --> 0:33:10.479
<v Speaker 1>just fulminates over her long blonde curls, and she was

0:33:10.560 --> 0:33:16.520
<v Speaker 1>always decked out in a slightly racy outfit. And as

0:33:16.560 --> 0:33:20.440
<v Speaker 1>for Benjamin, he was, not, to put too fine a

0:33:20.520 --> 0:33:22.960
<v Speaker 1>point on it, a bit of charlatan and something of

0:33:22.960 --> 0:33:26.680
<v Speaker 1>a pimp. There is no need to treat him with

0:33:26.760 --> 0:33:30.000
<v Speaker 1>kid gloves. After only two years of marriage, Cora was

0:33:30.080 --> 0:33:36.360
<v Speaker 1>run ragged, exhausted, sick, and trapped. One night in New Haven, Connecticut,

0:33:36.400 --> 0:33:40.000
<v Speaker 1>a bedraggled Cora burst into a hotel and begged for shelter.

0:33:40.600 --> 0:33:42.720
<v Speaker 1>She had run out into the night to escape a

0:33:42.760 --> 0:33:45.560
<v Speaker 1>beating from Benjamin. She was worried that he was going

0:33:45.600 --> 0:33:48.480
<v Speaker 1>to kill her. One of the guests in the hotel,

0:33:48.600 --> 0:33:52.080
<v Speaker 1>William Britton, heard the noise in the entry hall. William

0:33:52.280 --> 0:33:55.760
<v Speaker 1>was a spiritualist, and he recognized the famous girl. He

0:33:55.840 --> 0:33:57.840
<v Speaker 1>stepped out with a book in his hand and saw

0:33:57.840 --> 0:34:00.800
<v Speaker 1>the tears on her face, the fear in her eyes.

0:34:02.040 --> 0:34:04.680
<v Speaker 1>William covered the cost of her room that night and

0:34:04.720 --> 0:34:07.560
<v Speaker 1>delivered her into the care of her friends. Soon enough,

0:34:07.880 --> 0:34:11.040
<v Speaker 1>Cora and Benjamin launched divorce proceedings that would become a

0:34:11.120 --> 0:34:15.000
<v Speaker 1>snarl of lawsuits, battles for the proceeds of her lectures,

0:34:15.040 --> 0:34:18.240
<v Speaker 1>and venomous public statements that would stretch out for almost

0:34:18.239 --> 0:34:21.480
<v Speaker 1>a decade. And in the midst of that fight, William

0:34:21.520 --> 0:34:25.480
<v Speaker 1>Brittain's assistants became a rare example of something much needed

0:34:25.520 --> 0:34:28.160
<v Speaker 1>in the lives of the mediums who would go public

0:34:28.280 --> 0:34:38.040
<v Speaker 1>with their work kindness. Buck knew how he wanted the

0:34:38.040 --> 0:34:42.560
<v Speaker 1>seances to work, but Victoria wouldn't cooperate. She would fall

0:34:42.640 --> 0:34:45.200
<v Speaker 1>so deeply into her trances that she wouldn't respond to

0:34:45.239 --> 0:34:47.640
<v Speaker 1>his commands, and when she woke back up, she would

0:34:47.640 --> 0:34:51.160
<v Speaker 1>be disoriented. And it was important that she did what

0:34:51.239 --> 0:34:53.600
<v Speaker 1>she was told because Buck was counting on his daughters

0:34:53.640 --> 0:34:57.040
<v Speaker 1>for his drinking and gambling money. So when Victoria started

0:34:57.040 --> 0:35:00.200
<v Speaker 1>getting sicker and sicker, he called on a doctor. He

0:35:00.320 --> 0:35:04.319
<v Speaker 1>called on Kenning Woodhall. He was one of the many

0:35:04.400 --> 0:35:06.480
<v Speaker 1>who were making their way west to find a place

0:35:06.480 --> 0:35:09.400
<v Speaker 1>in the world, but Canning came to Mount Guillet, Ohio

0:35:09.520 --> 0:35:12.320
<v Speaker 1>with the story that bolstered his prospects more than most.

0:35:12.800 --> 0:35:18.920
<v Speaker 1>Here's Mary Gabrielle again. Keening Woodhall was supposedly a medical

0:35:18.960 --> 0:35:22.920
<v Speaker 1>doctor who rolled into Mount Guillet, Ohio, where Victoria was

0:35:22.960 --> 0:35:25.840
<v Speaker 1>living with her family, and set up a practice. Keening

0:35:25.840 --> 0:35:28.600
<v Speaker 1>Woodhall was in his early thirties and Victoria was fifteen,

0:35:29.400 --> 0:35:32.359
<v Speaker 1>and he started wooing her and told her that he

0:35:32.480 --> 0:35:34.640
<v Speaker 1>was related to the mayor of New York City, and

0:35:34.760 --> 0:35:37.479
<v Speaker 1>was a relative of a judge in New York, and

0:35:37.840 --> 0:35:40.640
<v Speaker 1>that he was a practicing doctor, and in other words,

0:35:40.760 --> 0:35:45.640
<v Speaker 1>he was everything Victoria Woodhall wasn't. Maybe it was because

0:35:45.680 --> 0:35:48.359
<v Speaker 1>of these famous connections the Buck decided to ask him

0:35:48.360 --> 0:35:52.200
<v Speaker 1>to treat Victoria, and his first prescriptions seemed promising enough.

0:35:52.560 --> 0:35:56.640
<v Speaker 1>A healthy diet, school lessons instead of seances, and regular

0:35:56.680 --> 0:35:59.920
<v Speaker 1>walks in the fresh air. On one of her walks,

0:36:00.280 --> 0:36:03.319
<v Speaker 1>Victoria ran into Channing in the street. He asked the

0:36:03.320 --> 0:36:05.400
<v Speaker 1>girl to come to him to Mount Gilead's Fourth of

0:36:05.480 --> 0:36:09.320
<v Speaker 1>July picnic. She agreed and sold apples by hand until

0:36:09.360 --> 0:36:12.000
<v Speaker 1>she had stashed enough money away from Bucks Clutches to

0:36:12.040 --> 0:36:15.840
<v Speaker 1>buy clothes for the event. Afterwards, when he was walking

0:36:15.840 --> 0:36:19.160
<v Speaker 1>her back to her family's door, Canning ling down and said,

0:36:19.600 --> 0:36:22.080
<v Speaker 1>tell your father and mother that I want you for

0:36:22.160 --> 0:36:25.879
<v Speaker 1>a wife. Anna saw a way to get her daughter

0:36:25.920 --> 0:36:29.680
<v Speaker 1>out from under Buck's predatory thumb. Buck saw the same thing,

0:36:29.880 --> 0:36:33.040
<v Speaker 1>just from his own point of view. He confronted Canning

0:36:33.080 --> 0:36:35.720
<v Speaker 1>and told him to stay away from Victoria. But despite

0:36:35.719 --> 0:36:38.680
<v Speaker 1>these attempts to keep her under his control, Victoria slipped

0:36:38.680 --> 0:36:41.680
<v Speaker 1>out and married Channing anyway. She had known him for

0:36:41.760 --> 0:36:45.720
<v Speaker 1>only a few months, but an escape was still an escape.

0:36:46.840 --> 0:36:49.440
<v Speaker 1>It turned out to be a terrible one, though sure.

0:36:49.520 --> 0:36:52.240
<v Speaker 1>Canning was less harsh than her father, and he taught

0:36:52.239 --> 0:36:54.839
<v Speaker 1>her some social graces that she had never learned at home,

0:36:55.239 --> 0:36:57.279
<v Speaker 1>but it also gave her a long hard look at

0:36:57.320 --> 0:37:01.319
<v Speaker 1>what was beneath his veneer of respectability. Canning was not,

0:37:01.640 --> 0:37:04.920
<v Speaker 1>as he claimed, related to judges and mayors, but he

0:37:05.040 --> 0:37:08.799
<v Speaker 1>was an alcoholic and a morphine addict. His medical credentials

0:37:08.840 --> 0:37:12.200
<v Speaker 1>matched Benjamin Hatches too, and to put a punctuation mark

0:37:12.280 --> 0:37:14.640
<v Speaker 1>on all the lies, he spent the third night of

0:37:14.680 --> 0:37:19.560
<v Speaker 1>their marriage at the local brothel. Soon enough, Victoria was

0:37:19.600 --> 0:37:22.840
<v Speaker 1>a teenage wife without love or money, She followed Canning

0:37:22.920 --> 0:37:26.560
<v Speaker 1>from tavern to brothel to tavern. Six weeks into their marriage,

0:37:26.560 --> 0:37:28.920
<v Speaker 1>she found a letter in her husband's jacket from his

0:37:29.000 --> 0:37:33.320
<v Speaker 1>previous mistress. By the middle of eighteen fifty four, Victoria

0:37:33.400 --> 0:37:36.720
<v Speaker 1>had left Ohio and the Clafland clan behind her. Winter

0:37:36.920 --> 0:37:40.040
<v Speaker 1>found her living in a Chicago tenement. She was pregnant,

0:37:40.360 --> 0:37:42.759
<v Speaker 1>far from home and trapped in a marriage with a

0:37:42.840 --> 0:37:47.120
<v Speaker 1>counterfeit doctor. She would later write, I soon learned that

0:37:47.160 --> 0:37:50.000
<v Speaker 1>what I had believed of marriage and society was the

0:37:50.080 --> 0:37:53.880
<v Speaker 1>merest sham, a cloak made by devotees to hide the

0:37:53.920 --> 0:37:58.480
<v Speaker 1>realities and to entice the innocent into their snares. The

0:37:58.520 --> 0:38:02.279
<v Speaker 1>deep suffering and dis illusionment of those experiences would take

0:38:02.360 --> 0:38:05.879
<v Speaker 1>roots in Victoria. Over time, they would fuel a fire

0:38:05.960 --> 0:38:08.400
<v Speaker 1>that would burn so hot it would threaten the central

0:38:08.440 --> 0:38:12.240
<v Speaker 1>pillars of the society that allowed men like Matthias but Claflin,

0:38:12.480 --> 0:38:16.360
<v Speaker 1>Benjamin Hatch, and Canning Woodhall to wield so much power

0:38:16.600 --> 0:38:20.439
<v Speaker 1>over the women in their lives. Victoria didn't know it then,

0:38:20.560 --> 0:38:22.799
<v Speaker 1>but there were already a host of people working to

0:38:22.920 --> 0:38:26.440
<v Speaker 1>challenge that society and to bring something new into being.

0:38:27.000 --> 0:38:29.759
<v Speaker 1>And they were nowhere more active than in the town

0:38:29.800 --> 0:38:33.839
<v Speaker 1>of Northampton, Massachusetts. That's where sojourn Or Truth found her

0:38:33.840 --> 0:38:39.880
<v Speaker 1>way into their company. Here's Margaret Washington. Northampton was a

0:38:40.000 --> 0:38:43.799
<v Speaker 1>very special place. First of all, it was founded by

0:38:43.920 --> 0:38:47.200
<v Speaker 1>William Lord Garrison, the head of the American Anti Slavery Society,

0:38:47.320 --> 0:38:51.280
<v Speaker 1>founded by his brother in law. That made it sort

0:38:51.280 --> 0:38:57.920
<v Speaker 1>of an entrepole for anti slavery. The next headquarters after

0:38:58.040 --> 0:39:03.239
<v Speaker 1>Boston was really rot Chester. Northampton was in between. For

0:39:04.200 --> 0:39:10.600
<v Speaker 1>individuals leaving Boston and that area to go into the Midwest.

0:39:10.680 --> 0:39:15.480
<v Speaker 1>To speak, then Northampton was a stopping place for them

0:39:15.480 --> 0:39:18.439
<v Speaker 1>going that way. It was also a stopping place if

0:39:18.520 --> 0:39:21.920
<v Speaker 1>they were going to go north. It was also an

0:39:21.960 --> 0:39:28.360
<v Speaker 1>important underground railroad entrepos All of the reasons that someone

0:39:28.400 --> 0:39:31.680
<v Speaker 1>would want to be in Northampton as sort of the

0:39:31.719 --> 0:39:36.040
<v Speaker 1>core of anti slavery in the East were there for Sojourner.

0:39:37.760 --> 0:39:41.280
<v Speaker 1>The friends at Northampton lived in rustic Plaine farming quarters.

0:39:41.560 --> 0:39:44.280
<v Speaker 1>It was a refreshing contrast to the brawl of life

0:39:44.280 --> 0:39:49.360
<v Speaker 1>in the Five Points or the hypocritical indulgence of Matthias's mansion. Besides,

0:39:49.400 --> 0:39:52.680
<v Speaker 1>Sojourner had finally found a community that prided itself on

0:39:52.760 --> 0:39:56.480
<v Speaker 1>equality of races and the equality of men and women too.

0:39:57.360 --> 0:40:03.080
<v Speaker 1>The air was full of ideas communal living, transcendentalism, abolitionism,

0:40:03.120 --> 0:40:05.680
<v Speaker 1>and of course they were also discussing the ideas of

0:40:05.719 --> 0:40:10.799
<v Speaker 1>Andrew Jackson Davis. When his Harmonial Philosophy reached Northampton. Some

0:40:10.880 --> 0:40:14.759
<v Speaker 1>in the group found his writing verbose, redundant, and derived.

0:40:15.160 --> 0:40:17.800
<v Speaker 1>In their eyes, he was just a poor man's Emerson.

0:40:19.360 --> 0:40:22.839
<v Speaker 1>In light of her history with Matthias, Sojourner was suspicious

0:40:22.840 --> 0:40:25.759
<v Speaker 1>of spiritualism's preference for talking with the spirits of the

0:40:25.800 --> 0:40:29.240
<v Speaker 1>dead overhearing from the voice of God. As her friends

0:40:29.239 --> 0:40:33.400
<v Speaker 1>read Davis's book, Sojourner rejected his approach to Christian teaching.

0:40:33.840 --> 0:40:37.040
<v Speaker 1>He denied the doctrines of the Trinity, original sin, and

0:40:37.080 --> 0:40:41.040
<v Speaker 1>the miraculous conception of Christ. Throughout her life, Sojourner had

0:40:41.080 --> 0:40:44.760
<v Speaker 1>seen enough miracles and enough sin for his new visions

0:40:44.800 --> 0:40:49.719
<v Speaker 1>to leave her unimpressed. Once, in eighteen fifty one, she

0:40:49.840 --> 0:40:53.560
<v Speaker 1>visited Rochester and stayed with Amy and Isaac Post. She

0:40:53.719 --> 0:40:56.399
<v Speaker 1>was there at the right time too. The Posts were

0:40:56.400 --> 0:41:00.000
<v Speaker 1>forming a seance circle, and they invited Sojourner to join them.

0:41:00.160 --> 0:41:03.359
<v Speaker 1>The spirit knocking did come, but it came faint and low.

0:41:03.760 --> 0:41:06.879
<v Speaker 1>There were long gaps in between, nothing to set your

0:41:06.880 --> 0:41:09.360
<v Speaker 1>traveling feet to if you were a woman on a mission.

0:41:09.719 --> 0:41:12.680
<v Speaker 1>In the words of one writer, so Journer listened with

0:41:12.719 --> 0:41:16.640
<v Speaker 1>all her soul until her patients ran out. She leaned

0:41:16.640 --> 0:41:19.760
<v Speaker 1>down to the floor and called out, come, spirit, hop

0:41:19.840 --> 0:41:21.959
<v Speaker 1>up here on the table and see if you can't

0:41:22.000 --> 0:41:25.279
<v Speaker 1>make a louder noise. She clearly knew how to keep

0:41:25.280 --> 0:41:28.160
<v Speaker 1>her head and her sense of humor when she was

0:41:28.280 --> 0:41:31.600
<v Speaker 1>less than convinced, But her own beliefs still shared too

0:41:31.640 --> 0:41:34.960
<v Speaker 1>much in common with Davis's to keep her completely apart

0:41:35.040 --> 0:41:39.359
<v Speaker 1>from her spiritualist friends. In reality, she agreed with much

0:41:39.360 --> 0:41:43.359
<v Speaker 1>of what they believed about the afterlife. After all, she

0:41:43.440 --> 0:41:46.640
<v Speaker 1>had been speaking with the spirit of her father for decades,

0:41:47.440 --> 0:41:57.160
<v Speaker 1>only she didn't need a table to do it. Not

0:41:57.280 --> 0:42:01.200
<v Speaker 1>every medium wanted to change society. Some just wanted to

0:42:01.239 --> 0:42:05.840
<v Speaker 1>float above it, like our Scottish friend Daniel Hume. The

0:42:05.920 --> 0:42:08.480
<v Speaker 1>day he held his seance with Maria Hayden was a

0:42:08.520 --> 0:42:11.880
<v Speaker 1>turning point for the spread of spiritualism to Europe. She

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<v Speaker 1>took the voices of the spirits with her to harvest

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<v Speaker 1>converts in the Old world, but Daniel hadn't quite tapped

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<v Speaker 1>every well in American soil. After Maria's husband William published

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<v Speaker 1>his story of their seance, Daniel never again had a

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<v Speaker 1>spare moment. Every day and every night he had people

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<v Speaker 1>clamoring to see the power of the spirits turned tables

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<v Speaker 1>like Cora. He was flooded with invitations from doctors and scientists,

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<v Speaker 1>from ministers who wanted to put his spirits to the test,

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<v Speaker 1>and from writers who wanted to see for themselves if

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<v Speaker 1>the stories were true. When the voice of a spirit

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<v Speaker 1>helped him find the missing will of a dead man

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<v Speaker 1>in Ohio, Daniel made the story his banner. Finding the

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<v Speaker 1>document allowed the man's niece to inherit the land. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a point of pride for the young medium, and

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<v Speaker 1>no surprise, it put him in the most charming lights imaginable.

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<v Speaker 1>Through his new communication with the spirits, justice could be

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<v Speaker 1>done for the women of America, who were so often

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<v Speaker 1>built of their rights and property and were suffering from

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<v Speaker 1>losses at the hands of powerful men and tilted scales.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a new way to be made whole again

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<v Speaker 1>by Daniel's telling. That new way was him. There were

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<v Speaker 1>plenty who were ready to hear his White Night stories too,

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<v Speaker 1>and as Daniel started to travel around New England, he

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<v Speaker 1>was supported by a string of benefactors who shielded him

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<v Speaker 1>from scrutiny. In eighteen fifty one, when the Fox Sisters

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<v Speaker 1>were being ridiculed by their relatives and the faculty at

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<v Speaker 1>the University of Buffalo, Daniel was befriending former Presbyterian minister

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<v Speaker 1>George Bush, who taught biblical languages and ancient literature at

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<v Speaker 1>New York University. Daniel then hopped over to poet, journalist

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<v Speaker 1>and lawyer William Cullen Bryant. After that it was Harvard

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<v Speaker 1>engineer and economist Vid Aims Wells. Their report on the

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<v Speaker 1>violent energy of the spirits at his seance, with shocks

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<v Speaker 1>that shook the room, cemented their belief that there was

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<v Speaker 1>some powerful intelligence manifesting through him. Of course, he was

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<v Speaker 1>also a man, so no one bothered to restrain his legs.

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<v Speaker 1>Where the height of the scientific community and the intellectual

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<v Speaker 1>sets came down heavily on the Fox Sisters, those same

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<v Speaker 1>forces actually assisted Daniel Humes rise, but as we'll soon

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<v Speaker 1>find out, they weren't the only forces lifting him up.

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<v Speaker 1>That's it for this week's episode. Of Unobscured. Stick around

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<v Speaker 1>after this short sponsor break for a preview of what's

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<v Speaker 1>in store for next week. Next time on Unobscured. A

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<v Speaker 1>group of prominent citizens in turn organized their own spirit

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<v Speaker 1>circle in eighteen fifty six, which included members of the

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<v Speaker 1>Savoy nobility and even the vice president of their parliament,

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<v Speaker 1>But under pressure from the Catholic Church, that group didn't

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<v Speaker 1>last more than two years. In Spain, the response was

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<v Speaker 1>even more dramatic. They're The Bishop of Barcelona called on

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<v Speaker 1>the military to help. He had heard that a Spanish

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<v Speaker 1>bookseller ordered a shipment of spiritualist books from France, and

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<v Speaker 1>they were arriving on a French steamship called the L Monarca.

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<v Speaker 1>They whispered that the captain was a known smuggler who

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<v Speaker 1>had used compartments in the ship to transport government fugitives

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<v Speaker 1>and forbidden literature. From the bishop's point of view, El

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<v Speaker 1>Monarca might as well have shipped the books direct from

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<v Speaker 1>the fires of Hell. When the ship landed, soldiers marched

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<v Speaker 1>aboard and toward apart. They carted the books into the

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<v Speaker 1>city square and threw them into a bonfire. The drifting

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<v Speaker 1>spiral of smoke was all the levitation the bishop wanted,

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<v Speaker 1>but there were some who claimed that, just like the

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<v Speaker 1>mob in Hartford, the book burning had the opposite effect.

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<v Speaker 1>When Barcelona's citizens realized what was happening, a crowd gathered.

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<v Speaker 1>First there were just murmurs, but then someone shouted down

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<v Speaker 1>with the inquisition. Soon the boldest people in the crowd

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<v Speaker 1>rushed toward the flames and snatched burning fragments of paper.

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<v Speaker 1>The declaration of forbidden knowledge ended up drawing curious citizens

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<v Speaker 1>like moths to a flame. An underground network of spiritualist

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