WEBVTT - Ellin + Logan 0:00:03.920 --> 0:00:08.360 I don't charge much for it, an autograph a price 0:00:08.400 --> 0:00:11.560 for boarding with see, I don't just give out an autograph. 0:00:11.600 --> 0:00:14.239 I say, have your people call my people and I'll 0:00:14.240 --> 0:00:18.160 see about an autograph. I tell everybody get me now. 0:00:18.200 --> 0:00:23.119 While I'm cheap, really must never say your cheap. That's 0:00:23.120 --> 0:00:27.920 what's right, Ellen, who's gonna be on the podcast this morning? 0:00:28.480 --> 0:00:32.120 It is me and Logan. Oh that's gonna be hard. 0:00:32.479 --> 0:00:34.760 You've got to be very objective element. I want to 0:00:34.800 --> 0:00:39.159 see how they edited it. May believe it's not your grandson, 0:00:39.360 --> 0:00:41.680 and we'll tell it as it is, like we always do. 0:00:41.960 --> 0:00:44.520 Have that well, I tell it like it is, even 0:00:44.560 --> 0:00:48.720 when I'm objective. So I'm really looking forward to this. 0:00:48.720 --> 0:00:58.920 This should be good. This should be good. You know what, 0:00:59.000 --> 0:01:01.520 I don't think my life is any more interesting than 0:01:01.560 --> 0:01:05.399 anybody else's. I think everybody has all these stories. I 0:01:05.480 --> 0:01:17.160 just remember them. This is, of course my grandmother, Ellen 0:01:17.240 --> 0:01:22.520 Bernstein Grodsky. Logan, this downless like daddy exactly. Your voice 0:01:22.560 --> 0:01:25.759 comes through just like his, but I better know hers, Nana. 0:01:26.240 --> 0:01:33.240 He is the most charming, the most intelligent, brilliant, sweet kind. 0:01:33.800 --> 0:01:37.480 There is nothing negative about Logan at all. Nothing. She 0:01:38.000 --> 0:01:41.520 uh always a very big presence in my life. He 0:01:41.680 --> 0:01:44.760 was gorgeous from the minute he was born. What listen, 0:01:44.800 --> 0:01:46.600 I'm his grandmother. What can I tell you at a 0:01:46.720 --> 0:01:51.680 Jewish grandmother? Yet so well. I think there's two things 0:01:51.760 --> 0:01:55.240 that come almost equally, love of course, and then related. 0:01:55.400 --> 0:01:58.280 I think food is is very, very big. I definitely 0:01:58.280 --> 0:02:02.200 associate that with her. Logan is not a material person 0:02:02.320 --> 0:02:04.600 at all, and when you say to Logan, what do 0:02:04.680 --> 0:02:08.680 you want, nothing, Nana, It's impossible to get him a gift. 0:02:08.760 --> 0:02:11.040 It really is. We used to see a movie on 0:02:11.080 --> 0:02:15.320 my birthday and that was that was enough. I have 0:02:15.440 --> 0:02:18.440 some great books that my grandmother's got it me over 0:02:18.480 --> 0:02:21.800 the years. That's always what it ended up being. There's 0:02:21.840 --> 0:02:26.960 a massive encyclopedia of the Confederacy that she got me, 0:02:27.000 --> 0:02:29.640 and I must have been very small when she got 0:02:29.639 --> 0:02:32.200 it for me. It's very dense and I remember loving 0:02:32.280 --> 0:02:35.560 reading it. He's been a voracious reader since he was 0:02:35.760 --> 0:02:38.840 very small, and an intelligent one. I mean, I would 0:02:38.840 --> 0:02:41.680 never insult him by getting him a child's book. You 0:02:41.720 --> 0:02:44.320 don't get into the ninety ninth percentile of the S 0:02:44.400 --> 0:02:47.120 A T. S if you're not very smart. I'm applying 0:02:47.160 --> 0:02:49.640 to college right now. And she always tells me that 0:02:49.680 --> 0:02:51.280 any school would be lucky to have me, and that 0:02:51.320 --> 0:02:53.040 I should get into all these schools. And I keep 0:02:53.080 --> 0:02:55.639 telling her I really wish she was on the admissions committee. 0:02:55.840 --> 0:02:59.160 Believe me, if I was at the committee, you would 0:02:59.160 --> 0:03:06.600 be in a Harvard any First of all, he sounds wonderful. 0:03:06.680 --> 0:03:09.120 He's got such a lovely voice. And of course your 0:03:09.160 --> 0:03:13.560 magect is in the beginning a very objective, brilliant, gorgeous, 0:03:13.919 --> 0:03:18.840 which I'm sure he is. Ellen is, absolutely, he is. Absolutely. 0:03:18.919 --> 0:03:22.080 I'm not even gonna question your Mine aren't such geniuses. 0:03:22.160 --> 0:03:26.359 They're just nice, good, normal kid. But okay, you're entitled. 0:03:26.400 --> 0:03:31.040 You're a Jewish grandmother. I have seven grandchildren, and two 0:03:31.120 --> 0:03:34.600 of them, I would say, are really in the genius strata. 0:03:35.280 --> 0:03:37.920 But all of them bring something to the table. You know, 0:03:38.120 --> 0:03:40.960 you remind me a a friend of mine who's got 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:44.200 a very smart water and also genius. There's a couple 0:03:44.200 --> 0:03:49.800 of geniuses in this world. But on Stein, maybe Bill Gates, 0:03:50.040 --> 0:03:55.200 Logan Grotsky. Okay, I'm given to you, he's a genius. Whatever. 0:03:55.280 --> 0:04:04.960 You're alla malus, which in Jewish means all good things, right, right, Okay, 0:04:05.360 --> 0:04:08.680 the producers just gave me the titles. So here we 0:04:08.720 --> 0:04:13.680 go Part one. I know from grandparents, and I have 0:04:13.760 --> 0:04:15.840 a feeling that I know what this is going to 0:04:15.920 --> 0:04:30.159 be about. Grandparenting is is wonderful because it's parenting without 0:04:30.200 --> 0:04:35.800 the responsibility. She always responds to my text messages. I 0:04:35.839 --> 0:04:38.760 can always call her up. Occasionally I'll call her up 0:04:38.760 --> 0:04:42.320 and ask her for a recipe. Very very available, as 0:04:42.400 --> 0:04:47.120 it's all retired. Grandparents should be one thing i'd ever do. 0:04:47.200 --> 0:04:54.520 Has said to myself. Yeah, I can attest. Were you 0:04:54.640 --> 0:04:59.560 close to your grandparents? Unfortunately my grandparents died when I 0:04:59.600 --> 0:05:02.880 was too young. I remember more of my father's parents. 0:05:04.720 --> 0:05:06.440 I think you have to tell the story of the 0:05:06.800 --> 0:05:11.840 steamshift New York. Oh well, that is our famous family story. 0:05:12.839 --> 0:05:17.320 My grandparents emigrated from Russia to England, and they met 0:05:17.360 --> 0:05:21.360 in London, and my grandfather left for the United States 0:05:21.960 --> 0:05:25.240 and left my grandmother in England, and she discovered she 0:05:25.320 --> 0:05:30.159 was pregnant, and he worked very hard to make money 0:05:30.200 --> 0:05:33.680 to send her a ticket to come to America. And 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:37.240 the ticket was on the maiden voyage of the steamship 0:05:37.320 --> 0:05:41.719 New York. And she was of course in steerage. But 0:05:42.200 --> 0:05:44.839 up above there were parties going on because it was 0:05:44.880 --> 0:05:47.960 a maiden voyage, and the Vanderbilts were on board and 0:05:48.000 --> 0:05:51.720 the lower group just stayed below decks. And about two 0:05:51.839 --> 0:05:55.360 days into the trip, my grandmother went into labor. One 0:05:55.400 --> 0:05:58.320 of the women who was down in that area with 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:00.840 her went up to the ships to actor and she said, 0:06:00.880 --> 0:06:03.600 there's a young girl down there in labor, and they 0:06:03.600 --> 0:06:07.359 brought her up to the ship's infirmary. And it became 0:06:07.480 --> 0:06:09.960 known on the ship that my grandmother was about to 0:06:09.960 --> 0:06:14.159 have a baby, and so Mrs Vanderbilt and Mrs Hoosie 0:06:14.160 --> 0:06:18.880 Tusie and Mrs Lutzie Luzzie all took turns sitting with 0:06:18.920 --> 0:06:23.000 my grandmother while she was in labor, and eventually she 0:06:23.080 --> 0:06:27.560 had the baby on the ship. Fast forward, my grandfather 0:06:27.680 --> 0:06:30.960 arrives at Ellis Island and everybody gets off the ship 0:06:31.000 --> 0:06:34.760 except my grandmother, and he is frantic, and in his 0:06:34.960 --> 0:06:38.800 very broken English, he goes over to some man and 0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:42.039 he says, my vibe, I was supposed to come on 0:06:42.120 --> 0:06:46.760 this boat, and I I didn't get off from the boat, 0:06:46.839 --> 0:06:49.800 but I know she got on from the boat. And 0:06:49.880 --> 0:06:53.280 he said, what's the name? And his hold her and 0:06:53.320 --> 0:06:56.880 he says, she's at long Island College Hospital, and they 0:06:56.960 --> 0:07:00.320 sent my grandfather in a carriage, and when he there, 0:07:00.400 --> 0:07:03.840 my grandmother was in the room piled up to the 0:07:04.080 --> 0:07:07.320 ceiling with gifts from all these fancy women on the ship. 0:07:08.080 --> 0:07:11.520 And the ship's captain was sitting with her and he said, 0:07:11.640 --> 0:07:14.960 Mr Bernstein, we're waiting for you to give the baby 0:07:15.000 --> 0:07:17.800 a name. And my grandfather and my grandmother sat and 0:07:17.840 --> 0:07:21.120 they spoke in Yiddition, and finally my grandfather turned around, 0:07:21.560 --> 0:07:24.800 but his hands on his Jess goes the name for 0:07:25.080 --> 0:07:31.720 the baby is going to be Samuel Steamship New York, Benstein. 0:07:32.160 --> 0:07:37.320 And that was my uncle Sam's name, Samuel Steamship New York. 0:07:38.280 --> 0:07:41.080 That's always been a favorite story of mine. It actually 0:07:41.080 --> 0:07:44.720 made it into one of my my college essays. Such 0:07:44.720 --> 0:07:49.960 a remarkable story. And my cousin named her son Scott 0:07:50.400 --> 0:07:55.920 York after her father. But you know, when you have 0:07:56.000 --> 0:07:58.720 a grandfather, it's it's a different kind of a relationship. 0:07:59.040 --> 0:08:03.160 We saw him, but he had a second vibe. I 0:08:03.200 --> 0:08:07.160 never knew that. I never knew Jennie. She used to 0:08:07.160 --> 0:08:12.800 say call me Godma, and my cousin and I used 0:08:12.840 --> 0:08:17.320 to say, we'll call you Jennie. I never knew that 0:08:17.360 --> 0:08:19.640 he had a second wife. Yes, I remember when my 0:08:19.720 --> 0:08:23.960 grandfather passed away, we went to the funeral and Jenny, 0:08:24.080 --> 0:08:26.240 Oh God, I'm gonna tell this story, and it's gonna 0:08:26.280 --> 0:08:29.800 be out there permoctly. My mother said, you go over 0:08:29.840 --> 0:08:33.800 and you pay your respects to Jenny. So I walked over, 0:08:33.920 --> 0:08:36.160 and I remember I was wearing a navy blue dress. 0:08:37.160 --> 0:08:39.000 And I walked over to Jenny and she was sitting 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:41.839 on one of those little stools because Jewish people when 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:44.840 there in mourning, they have to sit on a little bench. 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:49.120 And I said, Jenny, I want to offer my condolences. 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:52.560 And she took the hem of my skirt in her 0:08:52.600 --> 0:08:57.040 hand and she said, hear us such a wonderful man. 0:08:57.640 --> 0:09:00.360 And she took my skirt and she dried her wise 0:09:00.440 --> 0:09:05.880 with it. When we came home, I took the dress 0:09:06.000 --> 0:09:08.400 and I put it in a brown paper bag and 0:09:08.440 --> 0:09:12.840 I put it down the incinerator. I just couldn't stand 0:09:12.920 --> 0:09:15.880 those those tears. She was married to my grandfather for 0:09:16.000 --> 0:09:20.120 one year, and months later I was looking for something 0:09:20.160 --> 0:09:22.199 to wear it to something. My mother said, what about 0:09:22.240 --> 0:09:25.080 that blue dress with the white collar. I said, you know, mom, 0:09:25.120 --> 0:09:29.160 I don't know where it is, but I do see. 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:33.480 That's a story I have never heard of. Okay, you 0:09:33.640 --> 0:09:35.840 really hated it about me. I would be given it 0:09:35.880 --> 0:09:38.840 to the cleaners, and that I don't give away a 0:09:38.880 --> 0:09:41.440 good dress like that. I felt that it was so 0:09:41.440 --> 0:09:44.640 soiled rude, but I just could never wear it. That's 0:09:44.679 --> 0:09:47.679 a good. Oh my god, I don't want any to 0:09:47.800 --> 0:09:51.520 tell you the things I've saved. I'm very conservative that way, 0:09:51.520 --> 0:09:53.640 and it's something I'm gonna tell you own. You didn't 0:09:53.640 --> 0:09:56.200 have to throw away the dress, just have a clean ruta. 0:09:56.480 --> 0:09:59.840 I was fifteen or fourteen. I didn't know. I just 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:07.199 felt so defiled by that god my skirt that I 0:10:07.240 --> 0:10:12.920 had to get rid of it. San Steamship, your adorable story. 0:10:13.480 --> 0:10:16.880 You told me that story once before, but each time 0:10:16.960 --> 0:10:19.280 I hear it, I just love it. It's such an 0:10:19.280 --> 0:10:23.360 original story. And Logan loves that story too. I can 0:10:23.400 --> 0:10:26.320 hear all my grandkids love it. It's it's sort of 0:10:26.440 --> 0:10:29.080 you know, everybody saw Fiddler on the Roof and they 0:10:29.080 --> 0:10:31.720 see all these people coming over with the piano on 0:10:31.800 --> 0:10:36.319 their back or something, and actually these people struggled, it 0:10:36.360 --> 0:10:39.360 would just struggle to pay for one ticket. So when 0:10:39.360 --> 0:10:41.960 my grandchildren hear it, I want them also to hear 0:10:42.520 --> 0:10:46.200 not only that it was a big funny story, but 0:10:46.559 --> 0:10:51.360 that this was the struggle that their family had to 0:10:51.559 --> 0:10:55.280 endure in order to get to America, and that they 0:10:55.280 --> 0:10:58.920 should be very, very lucky that they have this life 0:10:58.920 --> 0:11:01.480 that they do due to of those people. You know, 0:11:01.600 --> 0:11:04.000 it's funny that you said, because here's the people that 0:11:04.160 --> 0:11:07.400 came over from Europe. They couldn't speak English, and the 0:11:07.600 --> 0:11:11.079 people at elis Ol and that resigning the men, they 0:11:11.120 --> 0:11:15.520 couldn't understand their language or their names. And we used 0:11:15.559 --> 0:11:18.440 to say, where did you get that name? They said, 0:11:18.520 --> 0:11:20.960 I don't know. When I came to Less Island. That's 0:11:21.000 --> 0:11:24.640 what they wrote down. That's good. Whatever they heard, that's 0:11:24.640 --> 0:11:28.400 what they wrote down today. And name, my god, the 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:31.040 minute you find out you're pregnant, you're looking through the books, 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:34.640 you can't find the name good enough, different, whatever. When 0:11:34.679 --> 0:11:36.640 my kids were growing up, oh my god, it had 0:11:36.720 --> 0:11:39.040 to be like as an American as you could get. 0:11:39.600 --> 0:11:42.559 But today we're back to the Biblical names, which we used, 0:11:42.600 --> 0:11:45.360 the Hebrew names. We used the Hebrew names, which I love, 0:11:45.520 --> 0:11:51.200 which I love. Now listen, don't go anywhere. We're going 0:11:51.240 --> 0:11:53.720 to do a quick commercial. And I know you're gonna 0:11:53.720 --> 0:11:56.240 come right back, because we'll be looking for you. And 0:11:56.320 --> 0:12:09.839 there's nothing like Jewish guilt. Part two, Rising above expectations. Well, 0:12:09.880 --> 0:12:14.079 we're a food family. My grandparents wet caters, and from 0:12:14.120 --> 0:12:16.760 the time that this one was a little taught, he 0:12:16.840 --> 0:12:19.160 always liked to cook. He always liked to help. He 0:12:19.280 --> 0:12:22.400 made mac and cheese. I think I've graduated up to 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:26.800 more sophisticated recipes. Did you have any recipes that you 0:12:26.840 --> 0:12:30.160 know come directly from them? Well, definitely, the brisk it 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:34.000 comes from my grandmother. The chicken suit, the mats of balls, 0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:39.240 potato pancakes, So mostly I guess the most standard fair yes, 0:12:39.400 --> 0:12:45.120 well for us. So what was your first job? Oh, 0:12:45.160 --> 0:12:48.600 teach it I taught in Chinatown. Well, first I taught 0:12:48.520 --> 0:12:51.800 in bed Fitz Darvison and it was a fun place 0:12:51.840 --> 0:12:54.480 to work. It was lovely. You've also said that you 0:12:54.520 --> 0:12:57.319 didn't think that teaching was your passion. Would you say 0:12:57.360 --> 0:12:59.679 you don't regret it. I don't regret that I taught, 0:12:59.800 --> 0:13:02.840 but it wasn't my passion. I became a teacher because 0:13:02.880 --> 0:13:05.400 my mother said that that's what I should be. I 0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:07.400 really wanted to be like my mother. I wanted to 0:13:07.400 --> 0:13:12.120 be an interior designer, and so once I had children, 0:13:12.679 --> 0:13:16.560 I started taking course as an interior design And do 0:13:16.559 --> 0:13:21.040 you ever wish you had gone into your second career earlier? Yes, 0:13:21.559 --> 0:13:25.120 I wish I had studied for it originally rather than 0:13:25.360 --> 0:13:28.760 doing it after I had children. And what would you 0:13:28.800 --> 0:13:34.720 say you are more passionate about food or interior design? Well, food, 0:13:35.679 --> 0:13:40.120 as I think that's the correct answer. I'm a retired 0:13:40.240 --> 0:13:43.880 interior designer. I don't work anymore at that, but I 0:13:43.920 --> 0:13:48.280 work at cooking absolutely. You know, I create food every 0:13:48.280 --> 0:13:51.160 single night. Because your grandfather doesn't even know how to 0:13:51.200 --> 0:13:53.520 crack an egg to make it. So I think you'd 0:13:53.520 --> 0:13:57.320 agree that those creative channels very much are available to 0:13:57.400 --> 0:14:00.960 you through cooking, because you are really creative cook. I 0:14:01.040 --> 0:14:03.959 love to cook, as my grandmother used to say, Patrika 0:14:04.200 --> 0:14:06.920 in the kitchen. And of course the fact that you 0:14:07.040 --> 0:14:09.480 love to cook and you did manage recipes out of 0:14:09.520 --> 0:14:13.280 your interior design clients, that you have combined those things successfully, 0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:16.760 I did. I did vodka source. I haven't made that 0:14:16.840 --> 0:14:19.760 for you yet, but my vodka source comes from from 0:14:19.760 --> 0:14:22.920 my clients. We've made we've made that together. Vodka source 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:27.160 I made with you. Yeah, don't tell your mother. I 0:14:27.200 --> 0:14:33.960 didn't tell her. I didn't. Don't worry, I personally could 0:14:34.000 --> 0:14:38.200 speak personally. Allen is an excellent cook, and she has 0:14:38.240 --> 0:14:40.880 a little cookbook that she puts out for the friends, 0:14:40.960 --> 0:14:43.640 which we all have. As a very little girl, I 0:14:43.680 --> 0:14:46.920 remember my grandmother being in the kitchen and I would 0:14:46.960 --> 0:14:50.080 stand next hour and she would say, give me from 0:14:50.120 --> 0:14:52.440 that part, and give me from this, and hand me that. 0:14:53.040 --> 0:14:55.800 The only thing is those old cone cooks. They never 0:14:55.880 --> 0:14:59.840 knew amounts. You take a handful, while you're a handful 0:14:59.840 --> 0:15:02.320 of twice it start to my innfol In the Yiddish, 0:15:02.360 --> 0:15:05.680 that's called shipping gifts. It means just a minute where 0:15:05.720 --> 0:15:08.200 will be no it's s h I T T. I 0:15:08.240 --> 0:15:11.800 think ship. You throw it and you guess what all 0:15:11.800 --> 0:15:17.680 that drops like ships creak on the television today. My 0:15:17.720 --> 0:15:26.760 grandmother never never used the recipe. Part three Summer Camp. 0:15:28.200 --> 0:15:31.640 Nana suffers from an excess of lucid thought. She can 0:15:31.720 --> 0:15:34.840 draw a family tree if she wanted to, with great detail. 0:15:35.600 --> 0:15:41.600 Here is a story for the ages. When I was seven, 0:15:42.120 --> 0:15:45.520 I went to Camp Oh, the chicken pox story. It 0:15:45.640 --> 0:15:50.240 was just wonderful. And the night of the banquet, kid 0:15:50.320 --> 0:15:53.840 in my bunk got chicken packs. During the night. I 0:15:53.920 --> 0:15:57.280 woke up and I felt very sick and very hot. 0:15:58.240 --> 0:16:01.240 They called my mother in the morning and my mother said, 0:16:01.280 --> 0:16:03.120 oh my god. We didn't have a car at the time. 0:16:03.560 --> 0:16:06.400 And as they were talking to me, a man came 0:16:06.440 --> 0:16:08.360 into the office and said, I'm he had to pick 0:16:08.440 --> 0:16:12.960 up my daughter shows chicken pox. So the camp mother said, 0:16:13.240 --> 0:16:16.400 will you take this little girl with you? Oh? Sure, 0:16:16.520 --> 0:16:18.600 you know, he says, But we have to go right away, 0:16:18.600 --> 0:16:21.680 he says, because my wife is expecting a baby and 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:25.680 she's due to give birth any minute. And they put 0:16:25.720 --> 0:16:28.680 me in the car and the man's mother was in 0:16:28.720 --> 0:16:32.160 the car. May she rest in peace. She smelled like 0:16:32.280 --> 0:16:36.000 chicken soup. So we were driving along and I kept 0:16:36.000 --> 0:16:40.240 on saying stop. All the way home. I was getting 0:16:40.240 --> 0:16:43.640 out and throwing up, and finally we stopped. In some time, 0:16:44.000 --> 0:16:46.480 he says, we've got to go. I can't keep stopping. 0:16:46.640 --> 0:16:50.360 He says, I know a family and they're very lovely 0:16:50.400 --> 0:16:53.760 people and they'll take care of her. And he called 0:16:53.800 --> 0:16:56.520 my mother and he explained to her, and my mother said, okay, 0:16:56.640 --> 0:17:00.160 tell me where I'm going. So they bring me to 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:04.200 this farm and this lady came out with a very 0:17:04.280 --> 0:17:08.720 heavy German accent. And this was World War two. Times 0:17:09.240 --> 0:17:11.760 I heard a German accent and I figured, he's leaving 0:17:11.800 --> 0:17:16.080 me with the Germans. And I was beside myself, thinking 0:17:16.440 --> 0:17:18.479 that Hitler was going to walk through the door at 0:17:18.520 --> 0:17:24.199 any second. Finally, and I remember hearing the Murta de 0:17:24.400 --> 0:17:28.520 murte escape kimmen, the mother has come. And then my 0:17:28.560 --> 0:17:31.040 mother started to speak to them, and I said, when 0:17:31.080 --> 0:17:33.520 they help? Did my mother learn how to speak German? 0:17:33.840 --> 0:17:37.639 And I realized later on, of course they were speaking Yiddish. 0:17:37.680 --> 0:17:43.000 These were Jewish refugees who had escaped. They invited my 0:17:43.080 --> 0:17:45.960 mother for dinner. Everything was fresh from the farm, and 0:17:46.040 --> 0:17:48.280 they made me chicken soup and they put it in 0:17:48.359 --> 0:17:50.000 a bag and they gave it to my mother to 0:17:50.040 --> 0:17:53.320 take with us. These things I still remember. And I 0:17:53.440 --> 0:17:56.719 was seven. Do you think in retrospect that you were 0:17:56.760 --> 0:17:59.000 really too young to be going away to sleep where 0:17:59.000 --> 0:18:01.800 I can No, I was a very independent child. You 0:18:01.840 --> 0:18:03.840 went to camp. I think I was eight or nine 0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:05.960 when I first went away to camp. I could not 0:18:06.080 --> 0:18:08.720 have gone to camp for the same reason. I don't 0:18:08.760 --> 0:18:10.800 think I could have walked into an office building and 0:18:10.840 --> 0:18:12.880 like done accounting work. I just don't think I could 0:18:12.920 --> 0:18:16.760 have done it, but you were very adult as a 0:18:16.800 --> 0:18:19.600 little boy. Logan. Maybe I could have done the accounting work, 0:18:19.600 --> 0:18:23.840 but I couldn't have gone away to camp. That's very funny, 0:18:23.880 --> 0:18:29.440 look and very true. So there you go. I don't 0:18:29.480 --> 0:18:31.119 think I could have been away from my mother for 0:18:31.200 --> 0:18:40.840 that long that when he didn't tell me, you never 0:18:41.000 --> 0:18:43.760 told me. Came back to chick Camp and Chacob back. 0:18:44.040 --> 0:18:47.360 Those people were so good. And finally this old man 0:18:47.520 --> 0:18:50.000 came up and he scared me to death because I 0:18:50.080 --> 0:18:52.359 was sure that he was the head of the s S. 0:18:52.480 --> 0:18:56.760 I was positive, and he was carrying a rabbit, a 0:18:56.840 --> 0:18:59.639 real rabbit. It was a farm, and he put the 0:18:59.720 --> 0:19:03.240 rap in the bed with me, and I finally fell asleep. 0:19:03.720 --> 0:19:06.399 I mean he infected them with the chicken pox and 0:19:06.560 --> 0:19:12.200 doing mother that was going out of the war. Can 0:19:12.240 --> 0:19:14.439 I you'd wear a mask. They wouldn't even let you 0:19:14.520 --> 0:19:18.040 in the house. Today. You hardly hear about chicken pox anymore. 0:19:18.280 --> 0:19:23.240 Oh you don't. I think we have to stop for 0:19:23.320 --> 0:19:26.920 a commercial, so Poul little Nikki can go out. Should 0:19:26.920 --> 0:19:44.160 have gotten an apartment with a terrorist rita Okay, next up, 0:19:44.720 --> 0:19:48.160 Part four, A little bit of Brightness and I don't 0:19:48.200 --> 0:19:54.240 have a clue what this could be about. So how 0:19:54.280 --> 0:19:58.320 did you meet my grandfather? My mother's cousin belonged to 0:19:58.440 --> 0:20:02.080 some kind of a group in in her temple, and 0:20:02.160 --> 0:20:05.800 she had a very good friend there named Mary, and 0:20:06.240 --> 0:20:09.360 the two of them decided that I should meet Mary's nephew. 0:20:10.320 --> 0:20:13.439 He called, and I thought he sounded terrible on the phone, 0:20:14.240 --> 0:20:16.280 and I felt I had to go out with him, 0:20:16.320 --> 0:20:19.840 because you know, I couldn't insult my mother's cousin that way. 0:20:20.200 --> 0:20:25.040 What about him sounded terrible? Well, he lived in North Carolina, 0:20:25.720 --> 0:20:29.200 so I figured I was gonna get a Southern gentleman 0:20:29.840 --> 0:20:35.000 with a Southern accident. And the phone rang, and well, 0:20:35.040 --> 0:20:37.240 you know, they live in North Carolina, and he's going 0:20:37.320 --> 0:20:40.200 to call you at eight o'clock. Eight o'clock, the phone rings, 0:20:40.200 --> 0:20:46.720 and I go hello, and he says, why is this Ellie? 0:20:48.920 --> 0:20:51.760 So his early years. I guess we're in New York. 0:20:52.040 --> 0:20:55.600 You know, Peter doesn't get rid of anything. Unfortunately, the 0:20:55.640 --> 0:20:57.920 New York accident was one of the things that he 0:21:00.080 --> 0:21:03.560 m and so we went out. He said, you want 0:21:03.560 --> 0:21:05.400 to just ride around a little bit. I said sure, 0:21:05.440 --> 0:21:10.560 and we were driving down Eastern Parkway, and there's a 0:21:10.560 --> 0:21:13.560 an island that goes down the center of Eastern Parkway, 0:21:13.800 --> 0:21:17.000 and right in front of our car was a little 0:21:17.040 --> 0:21:21.080 old couple and the cars were going on either side, 0:21:22.000 --> 0:21:24.679 and I remember my husband took his car and he 0:21:25.320 --> 0:21:28.800 turned it so that cars couldn't come down until these 0:21:28.800 --> 0:21:31.959 old people got across the street. And I looked at 0:21:32.000 --> 0:21:36.280 him and I thought to myself, I'm gonna marry him. 0:21:36.520 --> 0:21:41.240 I did. One of my favorite things to hear about 0:21:41.600 --> 0:21:45.560 is your father and his experiences with the draft during 0:21:45.560 --> 0:21:48.000 the Second World War. Can you tell us about that. 0:21:49.080 --> 0:21:52.000 At those days, they used to have a radio program 0:21:52.040 --> 0:21:56.120 once a week and a judge would pick names out 0:21:56.119 --> 0:21:59.840 of a hat. They would pick numbers, draft numbers, and 0:22:00.000 --> 0:22:03.040 those were the men who had drafted. My father was 0:22:03.080 --> 0:22:08.400 never called. Never. About two years after the war was over, 0:22:09.000 --> 0:22:11.720 we got a phone call from a judge and he 0:22:11.800 --> 0:22:14.480 asked for my father. He says, I was taking some 0:22:14.600 --> 0:22:19.560 suits to give away to goodwill or whatever, and in 0:22:19.720 --> 0:22:23.000 the cuff of the suit was this little piece of 0:22:23.040 --> 0:22:26.639 paper and it was your draft number, sir. That was 0:22:26.680 --> 0:22:28.680 the reason my father didn't go to World War two. 0:22:29.200 --> 0:22:31.880 I know my father, who adored him. He had been 0:22:31.960 --> 0:22:34.960 drafted or something horrible had happened, my father would have 0:22:34.960 --> 0:22:38.040 been a different person, and all the men who were 0:22:38.119 --> 0:22:43.640 drawn from that group was sent to the Baton death 0:22:43.720 --> 0:22:45.440 March or something. I mean, it was one of those 0:22:45.560 --> 0:22:48.119 terrible parts of the war. I mean there was there 0:22:48.200 --> 0:22:56.400 was something divine that spanned him. I'll tell you what 0:22:56.440 --> 0:22:58.800 my mother did for the war rapid. This is funny, 0:22:59.160 --> 0:23:01.400 my sister and right. She would never cut our hair. 0:23:01.960 --> 0:23:05.520 We used to have two long braids, and every morning 0:23:05.520 --> 0:23:09.000 before school she'd get up, and we hated it and 0:23:09.200 --> 0:23:12.680 we cried, I don't want the brains coming. Well, they 0:23:12.760 --> 0:23:18.000 used to use human hair for certain known special instruments 0:23:18.080 --> 0:23:21.680 or something. My mother, thank god, I shouldn't say thank 0:23:21.760 --> 0:23:24.440 God for the war, but she cut her hands. Fun 0:23:25.000 --> 0:23:28.479 it's a terrible thing to say, but we donated our 0:23:28.560 --> 0:23:30.960 hands and the war wrafic all right, thank god I 0:23:31.119 --> 0:23:34.600 found he got rid of those two long brains. I 0:23:34.640 --> 0:23:42.000 want you to know, girls, war, the war. I'll never 0:23:42.080 --> 0:23:44.480 forget that. He just took the car and he put 0:23:44.520 --> 0:23:48.800 it across two lanes that were coming down, and nobody 0:23:48.800 --> 0:23:52.400 could pass until these two little old people scurried across 0:23:52.440 --> 0:23:56.040 the street. And now we are those two little old people. 0:23:58.680 --> 0:24:03.040 If we if we could walk right, got to be 0:24:03.480 --> 0:24:10.720 the wall. How can I tell you My first experience 0:24:10.760 --> 0:24:13.240 would Phil, which was who was also a blind date. 0:24:13.600 --> 0:24:16.879 He came into my house. I should have I should 0:24:16.920 --> 0:24:20.719 have known them. He was wearing a brown and white 0:24:20.840 --> 0:24:25.960 pinch striped suit but big pin stripe brown, and he 0:24:26.160 --> 0:24:30.720 was wearing blue Swayne shoes with a thick rubb up. 0:24:31.440 --> 0:24:37.080 Hell wasn't in his absence? I said no. The only 0:24:37.160 --> 0:24:39.600 time it made a good pick is when you chose me. 0:24:40.240 --> 0:24:43.080 I used to buy us everything except his pants. I 0:24:43.080 --> 0:24:46.520 couldn't buy him pin paunch, pardon me. He had no tossas, 0:24:46.920 --> 0:24:50.480 so you don't all know what it toss is pant 0:24:50.560 --> 0:24:58.639 for falling down because he had no all Right. Last 0:24:58.720 --> 0:25:04.359 on my list, here's pot five. Family is everything, and 0:25:04.520 --> 0:25:11.480 truer words were never spoken. I think we were young longer. 0:25:12.920 --> 0:25:17.360 Less was expected of us. At an early age. There 0:25:17.440 --> 0:25:21.720 was an innocence that doesn't exist today. I think there 0:25:21.720 --> 0:25:25.719 there's an element of countervailing forces there. They think that 0:25:25.840 --> 0:25:31.040 we are less adventurous, perhaps less independent, and we also 0:25:31.080 --> 0:25:35.399 have more responsibility, also have more possibility, and at the 0:25:35.440 --> 0:25:38.680 same time, perhaps our ability to go online has supplanted 0:25:38.720 --> 0:25:42.040 our ability to walk down the street, which is especially 0:25:42.080 --> 0:25:44.600 in this pandemic age, and it's kind of scary to 0:25:44.640 --> 0:25:48.440 some except but it is. Perhaps there are also our reality. 0:25:48.760 --> 0:25:50.960 I will say I'm an old soul, so to some 0:25:51.080 --> 0:25:53.640 degree I possess a nostalgia for a time I never 0:25:53.680 --> 0:25:56.040 lived in. But also I don't have to worry about 0:25:56.040 --> 0:25:59.320 polio these days, so that's a boom. Yeah, but you 0:25:59.440 --> 0:26:06.480