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Speaker 1: Welcome into the Official Jets Podcast. We are here at

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Speaker 1: the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis, Indiana. It is America's heartland.

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Speaker 1: Eric Allen here joined by ESPN's Matt Miller. We go

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Speaker 1: aways bad long before. Yeah, Matt was at ESPN like

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Speaker 1: ten years, spent ten years.

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Speaker 2: I predate I predate the mccagnum era. Hanging out with

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Speaker 2: you guys so long. It's been how about that now

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Speaker 2: to bring up any any past, but you know, it's

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Speaker 2: been a long time.

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Speaker 1: I used to love the times that we shared back

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Speaker 1: at the old facility where we got you up on

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Speaker 1: the board as far as we'd bring you in for

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Speaker 1: a day or two and get Miller recover every position group.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we got to do that again. I'll start again.

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Speaker 1: It'll be fun, all right, I'd enjoy it. You just

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Speaker 1: got off the set of the NFL Live Housings going

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Speaker 1: with the ESPN.

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Speaker 2: Oh man, it's great. I love it. It's, you know,

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Speaker 2: a lifelong dream. I was thinking about that today driving

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Speaker 2: in of like, this is something I wanted to do

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Speaker 2: when I was eight years old, you know, before the

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Speaker 2: No one covered the combine then, right, but I wanted

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Speaker 2: to cover the draft for ESPN, So to have that

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Speaker 2: moment happen has been phenomenal, Like, never been treated better.

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Speaker 2: The support is amazing, the access is amazing, and you

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Speaker 2: know you get a chance to share your opinions and

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Speaker 2: your hard work with more people than you can in it. Well,

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Speaker 2: so it's a dream come true.

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Speaker 1: What's prep like for you as far as the draft

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Speaker 1: is concerned.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know my role is a lot of

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Speaker 2: you know NFL Live, we're talking about quarterbacks, wide receivers, tackles,

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Speaker 2: not stop. And then my role in Detroit is Day three.

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Speaker 2: So it's it's funny because you got to know this

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Speaker 2: time of year very very well, the top twenty five

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Speaker 2: thirty players. I don't do as much right now, think

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Speaker 2: about round two and round three because so much of

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Speaker 2: my prep work is on those Day three guys. So

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Speaker 2: trying to draw a line at like, okay, here's my player,

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Speaker 2: this drank seventy five, let me look at everyone else

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Speaker 2: and try to know those players to be able to

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Speaker 2: talk about them for ninety seconds when they get drafted.

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Speaker 2: So you want to make sure you have all that

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Speaker 2: nailed down. But it's really like you want to know

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Speaker 2: five hundred players is kind of the number that I

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Speaker 2: have bouncing around in my head. It's like five hundred players.

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Speaker 1: That's crazy because I think there's only like three and

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Speaker 1: fifty six picks. You never three hundred and twenty one

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Speaker 1: guys that were invited.

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Speaker 2: Here, right, But you never know, right, And there's always

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Speaker 2: you know, like last year, Kobe Turner gets drafted in

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Speaker 2: the third round, and you want to make sure, hey

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Speaker 2: if that's if you're on the desk when Kobe Turner

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Speaker 2: gets drafted. You can't just be like, oh, he wasn't

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Speaker 2: invited to the combine, I don't know. You know, you

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Speaker 2: you got to be ready to roll.

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Speaker 1: So as far as the draft is concerned, the Jets

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Speaker 1: have the tenth overall selection, don't have a second round

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Speaker 1: pick this year. You mentioned you're going to be live

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Speaker 1: on Day three. Where is the most depth in this draft?

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Speaker 2: Like, man, I love the running back depth late, which

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Speaker 2: you guys have one of my favorite running backs in Breezeols.

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Speaker 2: So not suggesting anything there, but it is a great

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Speaker 2: running back draft late. It's just a very good wide

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Speaker 1: Late.

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Speaker 2: Corner is really really good late, I think because of

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Speaker 2: positional value and because of the talent in this class.

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Speaker 2: We're not going to see tight ends flap the board

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Speaker 2: early outside of brock Bower from Georgia. We're not going

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Speaker 2: to see safeties fly off the board early. So I

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Speaker 2: think you can find really really good players at those

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Speaker 1: Is in an oversimplicate oversimplification for me to say from

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Speaker 1: a Jets perspective, at ten, if you stay there, it's

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Speaker 1: either offensive line or receiver.

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Speaker 2: No, that's what it is. It's tackle a receiver. Which

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Speaker 2: one is it? I think you could even break it

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Speaker 2: down farther than that. It's tackle or wide receiver, and

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Speaker 2: it's you're probably looking at it of like, could one

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Speaker 2: one of them falls? If not, okay, which tackle do

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Speaker 2: we like? Because it is a loaded tackle class. I

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Speaker 2: think I had seven or eight in my top thirty

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Speaker 2: It is a loaded tackle class. So I think that's

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Speaker 2: the top three receivers are going cool, we're going to

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Speaker 2: take the best tackle available and we're going to come

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Speaker 2: back around three and look at a wide receiver if

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Speaker 2: you've ever seen anything like this as far as the

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Speaker 2: receivers are concerned, the three guys, man, I don't think so.

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Speaker 2: You know, the Jamar Chase Yer was at twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: where it's like, gosh, these are good players, you know, Jaylen, Watald,

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Speaker 2: I get Marvin Harrison in ninety eight. I gave Neighbors

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Speaker 2: and a Junesday ninety sixes, which is I'm a pretty

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Speaker 2: tough grader, you know, I don't like to do that.

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Speaker 2: They're all so special and bring unique traits to the

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Speaker 2: play wide receiver ones who are going to be go

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Speaker 1: What world do we live in where there is a

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Speaker 1: scenario where one of those guys get the time.

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Speaker 2: You guys need to be the biggest JJ McCarthy fans

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Speaker 2: in the world right now, right like I mean, I

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Speaker 2: expect Joe Douglas to be talking about j. J. McCarthy

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Speaker 2: is the greatest quarterback I've ever seen. If you can

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Speaker 2: get four quarterbacks to go in the top ten, that's

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Speaker 2: a really good thing for you guys to get that

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Speaker 2: to happen. But you know, wide receiver has become a

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Speaker 2: premier position, like you're talking about. We started doing this,

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Speaker 2: all the talk was, oh, you wait till round two

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Speaker 2: to get a receiver because of like the Michael Thomases

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Speaker 2: you better get a wide receiver pretty early because they're

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Speaker 2: flying off the board. You guys have a great one

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Speaker 2: in Garrett Wilson obviously, but now it has become such

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Speaker 2: see them go pretty early.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so we're taping here on Tuesday. You just drove

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Speaker 1: in about six plus hours. I just got off the plane.

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Speaker 1: There are reports yesterday saying that the Jets are intending

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Speaker 1: to release Lincoln Tomlinson. With that being said, I know

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Speaker 1: a lot of people enter the offseason said, well, Jets

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Speaker 1: need tackles. Yeah, but you got to look at the

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Speaker 2: Jets need alignment. And I think we're still trying to

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Speaker 2: figure out what AVT is going to be because some injuries.

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Speaker 2: You know, I was a huge fan of his coming

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Speaker 2: much versatility. I thought Carter Warren showed some things last year,

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Speaker 2: So you've got three guys that I think are solid

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Speaker 2: young players. Try to figure that out, you know. Okay,

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Speaker 2: is this our nucleus if we add in a veteran.

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Speaker 2: Let's say we added a veteran left hand. Okay, maybe

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Speaker 2: Tyrone Smith wants to go with Aaron Rodgers and Chase

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Speaker 2: for one year. And so you're sitting at ten thinking

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Speaker 2: this is a draft in which is very right tackle heavy.

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Speaker 2: Joe alt is the name. You're going to hear a

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Speaker 2: lot from Notre Dame. He's a left tackle. Olu Fashano,

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Speaker 2: Penn State, You're gonna have name a lot, he's a

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Speaker 2: left tackle. Every other tackle I have a first round

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Speaker 2: Joe Douglas watches, I know Joe will watch this. He

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Speaker 2: does the left tackle might be a free agency move.

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Speaker 2: Right tackle is just rich at pick ten. How do

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Speaker 2: you separate all? I think it's in terms of readiness.

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Speaker 2: All is a finished product, not just because you know

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Speaker 2: his dad is the Chiefs Hall of Famer coming out

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Speaker 2: of Notre Dame. He's more well versed, more balanced. I

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Speaker 2: think Forshano at times in the run game lost his

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Speaker 2: can work on that. He's he's working with Duke Mannyweather, who,

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Speaker 2: for my money, is the best offensive line coach, private

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Speaker 2: offense line coach in the game. If a Shano's down

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Speaker 2: type of player he's going to become in the next

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Speaker 2: I think all is ready right now for Shano has

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Speaker 2: a chance to be better.

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Speaker 1: Some of this is so absurd because free agency precedes

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Speaker 1: the draft, so this is so hard for free dated.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, really, quickly.

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Speaker 1: It is so hard because you're going to be addressing

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Speaker 1: doing that. You mentioned the runner right tackles that you anticipate.

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Speaker 1: We're hit sitting here in late February. February twenty seventh.

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Speaker 1: What's the scenario where Joe Douglas says, you know what,

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Speaker 1: I think it can move back, yeah and pick up

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that is where if you can solve

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Speaker 2: you could slide back and get a right tackle. Because

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Speaker 2: those guys are really closely grouped together. You know, there's

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Speaker 2: not one of those right tackles outside of for Wago,

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Speaker 2: who I would say, yeah, you gotta stay at tend

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Speaker 2: to draft him, you know, if foag is off the board,

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Speaker 2: you could move back and that's where we become J. J.

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Speaker 2: McCarthy fans again, because you want to say to a

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Speaker 2: team like the Raiders, like the Broncos, hey like, why

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Speaker 2: don't you come up a couple spots make sure you

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Speaker 2: get the fourth quarterback, and we're happy draft in at

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Speaker 2: twelve or thirteen because we can still get our right

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Speaker 2: tackle there and pick up, you know, some of that

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Speaker 2: extra draft capital that you've you've used to get guys

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Speaker 1: We do a lot of content with Lege Dousable, a

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Speaker 1: former Jets defensive lineman. Dudes is very high on Guidon

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Speaker 1: and what his ceiling is making that switch from defensive line, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's an offensive line. What do you think about him?

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Speaker 2: Now? I love him, and it is it is that

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Speaker 2: matter off. He's still learning, but my goodness, all the

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Speaker 2: tools are there, you know, athletically it's there. I'll tellhim.

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Speaker 2: My comp for him was, I remember watching Lane Johnson

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Speaker 2: move from quarterback to tight end to tackle, and I

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Speaker 2: think Geiden has some of that same good to his game.

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Speaker 2: Of Gosh, the agility is there, the link is there,

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Speaker 2: the mentality is all there. He just needs a little

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Speaker 2: bit more time to figure it out to become great.

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Speaker 2: He could be your Week one starting right tackle, but like,

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Speaker 2: there's a lot of ceiling there for him to continue

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Speaker 2: to get better.

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Speaker 1: Wear you with Latham the Alabama I.

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Speaker 1: Daniels, I think he's gonna leave a mark over with

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Speaker 1: Yeah, very explosive offense at LSU. He's not the biggest

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Speaker 1: What do you think about the Jets macro level from

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I protect Aaron Rodgers is the biggest thing. You

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Speaker 2: So I think your your focus this offseason is you've

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Speaker 1: You love the receivers. Where do you stand on Brock Bowers?

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Speaker 1: Who is more likely to be there at ten You

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Speaker 2: Neither neither. I would say if one of them is

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Speaker 1: Do you take a quarterback Day three? If you're the Jets,

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Speaker 2: I Ron Wolf mentality. I draft quarterback every year if

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Speaker 1: All right, Matt, we're putting you on the spot, magical

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Speaker 1: bread time. We got three slots wide receiver, offensive line,

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Speaker 2: We'll give me the pen. All right, so free agency,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna go there. I I spoiled some of this.

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Speaker 2: I'm going Tyron Smith.

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Speaker 1: Okay, left tackle, but is here is he your question mark?

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Speaker 1: Ten overall, go on to Lisa Fluaga Okay, so you

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Speaker 2: No second round pick, I understand that, so we'll go

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Speaker 2: third round. I went Jalen Polk from Washington, A physical

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Speaker 2: I'll take Jalen Polk there.

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Speaker 1: You'll put him on the outside and put Carrott inside.

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Speaker 1: So thanks, absolutely, absolutely, all right, sign your name. All right,

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Speaker 1: I'll put the date on there. That's Matt Miller from ESPN,

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Speaker 1: A great senior brother.

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Speaker 2: Likewise, we got to do this.

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Speaker 1: Thanks many. We're rolling on for the scouting Combine here

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Speaker 1: in Indianapolis. Sam Manson from Pro Football Focus is so great.

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Speaker 2: To see you.

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Speaker 1: I think we do this annually. What has your attention

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Speaker 3: in the background, while the content guys are over here

434
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Speaker 3: in radio row, Media row looking at the hearing the

435
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Speaker 3: guys of the podiums, and then obviously you get the

436
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Speaker 3: week of the actual workouts, and you know, I think

437
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Speaker 3: it's all just building the puzzle of all these draft prospects.

438
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Speaker 3: There's little pieces of information you get all the way along,

439
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Speaker 3: whether it's listening to guys talk at the podium, whether

440
00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:49,560
Speaker 3: it's watching them work out, whether it's the actual measureables

441
00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:51,520
Speaker 3: that they run, and all of it is just part

442
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Speaker 3: of the puzzle, along with the data that we already

443
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Speaker 3: have and you know, the measurables and the production.

444
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Speaker 1: What's the most important content, cap sure for the teams themselves,

445
00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:05,640
Speaker 1: would you say it starts with the medicals and then

446
00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:08,879
Speaker 1: they'll one on one time as far as interviews are concerned.

447
00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:11,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, the origin of the combine is the medicals.

448
00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:14,119
Speaker 3: That's still the biggest part of this. That's why even

449
00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:17,240
Speaker 3: the teams that you know, don't send coaching staffs here

450
00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:19,840
Speaker 3: because they can get they get the data they get

451
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Speaker 3: them at the the measurable stuff. They get the player

452
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Speaker 3: tracking data that gives them athleticism data.

453
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Speaker 2: As well.

454
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Speaker 3: They still have representatives here, they still have medical guys,

455
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Speaker 3: they still get the medical information.

456
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Speaker 2: That's still the single biggest thing.

457
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Speaker 3: The interviews are huge as well, because even though you

458
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Speaker 3: know you're going to talk to all these guys as well,

459
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Speaker 3: I think it's just about eliminating people. You know, every

460
00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:42,320
Speaker 3: one of us has talked to somebody. We're in the

461
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Speaker 3: first five minutes, You're like, I want no part of

462
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Speaker 3: this human being.

463
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Speaker 2: Right. There are players out there that are like that,

464
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Speaker 2: and you can spot.

465
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Speaker 3: It immediately, and maybe you're going to take a good

466
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Speaker 3: player off the board because of it.

467
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Speaker 2: Maybe you're gonna get wrong sometimes.

468
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Speaker 3: But mostly it's about, look, that guy's clearly something is off.

469
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Speaker 2: We're not. We're not in there.

470
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Speaker 3: And I I think every one of these pieces of

471
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Speaker 3: information is just about eliminating players, right, Guys that don't

472
00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:08,239
Speaker 3: meet your thresholds for athleticism, Guys that don't you know,

473
00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:10,879
Speaker 3: have a medical to clears, Guys.

474
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Speaker 2: That do give off some sort of strange vibe or whatever.

475
00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:14,760
Speaker 3: In the interview, we're just taking off a couple of

476
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Speaker 3: names here or there. That's why every team ends up

477
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Speaker 3: with a draft board that's not three five hundred names long.

478
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Speaker 3: It's one hundred names long, right, because you've gone through

479
00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:25,760
Speaker 3: and you've eliminated a few names every step of the way,

480
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Speaker 3: and you end up with this consolidated list of guys

481
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Speaker 3: that you would be comfortable drafting.

482
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Speaker 1: Three hundred and twenty one prospects. We're invited here to

483
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Speaker 1: America's heartland. Not all of them are going to be drafted.

484
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Speaker 1: What are your takes as far as the class as

485
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Speaker 1: a whole twenty twenty four, what we're looking at two months.

486
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Speaker 2: Prior to the draft.

487
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Speaker 3: I think it's a solid class overall, but I think

488
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Speaker 3: the depth isn't there this time. A lot of guys

489
00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:51,120
Speaker 3: went back to college this year. I think the whole

490
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Speaker 3: landscape is still shaking itself out after the COVID year

491
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Speaker 3: and the extra year that that people are afforded in

492
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Speaker 3: college sometimes and a lot of guys went back to

493
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Speaker 3: college this time.

494
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Speaker 2: So Day three of the draft I think is weak

495
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Speaker 2: this year.

496
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Speaker 3: So there's a lot of teams actually this year who

497
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Speaker 3: have a ton of Day three draft picks and the

498
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Speaker 3: players are not going to be there to use them,

499
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Speaker 3: and maybe that's going to result in teams using those

500
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Speaker 3: picks and you just get some strange names that would

501
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Speaker 3: be seen as reaches in other years because the draft

502
00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:20,119
Speaker 3: boards will be so different when you get to that

503
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Speaker 3: point in the draft, or.

504
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Speaker 2: Maybe you start seeing a lot more movement.

505
00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:26,240
Speaker 3: Where guys trade into next year, guys trade up into

506
00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:29,000
Speaker 3: Day two from Day three, and you just move around

507
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Speaker 3: with that extra ammunition rather than use those picks.

508
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Speaker 1: I think you got one of the most difficult jobs

509
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Speaker 1: out there because you're studying the draft, you're studying pro

510
00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,280
Speaker 1: football free agency, and you're doing it not just for

511
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Speaker 1: one team, you're doing it for thirty two teams. Right

512
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Speaker 1: when you look at the New York Jets, the needs.

513
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Speaker 1: It starts with the offensive line. We know that, yeah,

514
00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:53,600
Speaker 1: wide receiver people have talked about as well, back up

515
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Speaker 1: quarterback the Jets are going to be in the market there.

516
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Speaker 1: And then defensive side of the ball, defensive tackle, some

517
00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:01,920
Speaker 1: questions we don't know what's going to happen free agency.

518
00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,879
Speaker 1: Next to Quinn and Williamson. Then the safety position, a

519
00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:08,920
Speaker 1: couple of special teamers, special team standouts are out there

520
00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:13,119
Speaker 1: as far as Greg Zerline is concerned. Of course, Thomas

521
00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:15,520
Speaker 1: Moorese does as well, justin Hardy. The list goes on

522
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Speaker 1: and on. Well, just from a macro perspective thirty thousand

523
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Speaker 1: foot view. When you look at the Jets needs, what

524
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Speaker 1: do you got to get done to free agency prior

525
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Speaker 1: to the draft?

526
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Speaker 2: I think the offensive line is the big one.

527
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Speaker 3: Like that last year we didn't get to see what

528
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Speaker 3: the Jets were going to look like because Rogers went down,

529
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Speaker 3: you know, four snaps, and the whole season is different.

530
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Speaker 3: Now now we don't get the Jets, we get a

531
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Speaker 3: different version of this team and the whole set of

532
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Speaker 3: experiment is tainted because we this is not what we

533
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,760
Speaker 3: were expecting to see. So, you know, you look across

534
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Speaker 3: and he say, yeah, there's a lot of holes in

535
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Speaker 3: this roster that things we need to fix, but most

536
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,199
Speaker 3: of those cracks are papered over. If Aaron Rodgers is

537
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Speaker 3: back looking like Aaron Rodgers right, you look at the

538
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,280
Speaker 3: Kansas City Chiefs right now, and you're like, there's a

539
00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:57,959
Speaker 3: lot of holes in this roster and they just won

540
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Speaker 3: a Super Bowl because most of them don't really matter.

541
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Speaker 3: If you have Andy Reid, Patrick Mahomes, Travis Kelcey and

542
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,440
Speaker 3: those guys fire, then you can have a lot of holes.

543
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,879
Speaker 3: You know, you're not going to get this perfect roster created.

544
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 3: You just need to be good enough in the right areas.

545
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Speaker 3: But the offensive line is the one where even last year,

546
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Speaker 3: you know, you're looking at the struggles on offense and

547
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Speaker 3: you're saying, even if Rogers was playing, even if his

548
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Speaker 3: achilles hadn't popped that to four snaps, that offensive line

549
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Speaker 3: playing the way it is right now, might be a

550
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Speaker 3: big enough problem that it would have gone badly anyway.

551
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Speaker 3: Right Maybe, I mean, it would have been better than

552
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Speaker 3: it was, but maybe it still wouldn't have been enough

553
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 3: because that line was a big enough problem. So I

554
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Speaker 3: think it definitely starts with that offensive line. You're going

555
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Speaker 3: to be using a draft pick on one. In an

556
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Speaker 3: ideal world, you don't want to be forcing those picks

557
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,120
Speaker 3: and have to chase a certain spot in the draft.

558
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Speaker 2: You want to take care.

559
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Speaker 3: Of the spots in free agency and at least give

560
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 3: you the wiggle room to go in a different direction

561
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:53,520
Speaker 3: at a specific pick if you need to. But I

562
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,480
Speaker 3: think their line had enough problems that you can hit

563
00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:58,879
Speaker 3: both and be comfortable, you know, hit the free agent

564
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,920
Speaker 3: market for that offensive line and come back in the draft,

565
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Speaker 3: and I think they're going to be well positioned that

566
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 3: in the first round they're going to have offensive lineman

567
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:07,440
Speaker 3: available to them.

568
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Speaker 1: What do you make of a free agency tackle class

569
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Speaker 1: before we get to the draft, because there are a

570
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Speaker 1: lot of people saying that we could see as many

571
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Speaker 1: as seven tackles taken in the first round of this draft.

572
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it's a good group of free agents.

573
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Speaker 3: Not necessarily a ton of superstars, but a lot of quality,

574
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 3: starting level offensive lineman, which is ideal for a team

575
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 3: like the Jets. And actually a lot of them are

576
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Speaker 3: playing I think in that secondary or tertiary sort of

577
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:34,879
Speaker 3: spending bracket, you know, a group where you don't have

578
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,360
Speaker 3: to break the bank to bring them in. And there's

579
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,359
Speaker 3: a few different sort of experience levels as well. There's

580
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 3: some younger players, but there's also some old veterans that

581
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 3: might be able to be brought in for the right

582
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Speaker 3: kind of money.

583
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Speaker 2: It wouldn't be cheap, but you know, doable.

584
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Speaker 3: So guys like Tyron Smith for Dallas, like he showed

585
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 3: last year, Tyron Smith on the field is still one

586
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:55,879
Speaker 3: of the top five offensive tackles in the NFL. The

587
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 3: guy's a superstar. Now you probably have to budget in

588
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,199
Speaker 3: the idea that you're to miss a few games from him.

589
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 3: He's going to get hurt at some point, He's gonna

590
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:05,399
Speaker 3: miss a few games. But if you get him at

591
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Speaker 3: the right time, and I don't think he would break

592
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,879
Speaker 3: the bank, given the risk attached to him and his age,

593
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 3: you could get a guy that locks down the left

594
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Speaker 3: side of the line for ten million a year.

595
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Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Do you think when players are looking at

596
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Speaker 1: the market and they see the Jets. Obviously money's going

597
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 1: to be number one for these guys in free agency,

598
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:30,360
Speaker 1: but is an attractive spot playing with a guy like Rogers,

599
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 1: a veteran quarterback behind it.

600
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Speaker 3: I think we saw, you know, in the Hard Knocks

601
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Speaker 3: TV thing. Players love that guy, like players believe in

602
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,879
Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers. Players gravitate to him. Players believe in the

603
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:45,959
Speaker 3: force of will that he brings to the table and

604
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 3: that he is capable of doing special things. And you know,

605
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,399
Speaker 3: there's quite a lot of teams in the NFL that

606
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 3: I think can sort of talk team or talk players

607
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 3: into you can win a championship here. But I think

608
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,719
Speaker 3: absolutely the Jets are a destination where if Aaron Rodgers

609
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,679
Speaker 3: is back and healthy, you can convince people that this

610
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 3: is somewhere you want to be to go and win

611
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 3: a championship. Like they did with Dalvin Cookie year ago

612
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 3: before everything, you know, blew up.

613
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Speaker 1: If somebody who lives in breeze it every day. What

614
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Speaker 1: do you make of people when they talk about windows.

615
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,119
Speaker 1: Specifically with the Jets, you got Aaron Rodgers coming off

616
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Speaker 1: to Achilles, He's forty years old, he's going to be

617
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 1: forty one in December. You got Joe Douglass centering a

618
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:24,640
Speaker 1: very important year along with Robert Sala.

619
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think most of the time that talk is

620
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Speaker 3: overblown a little bit. You know, there's no real reason

621
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 3: that a team needs to have a defined window. But

622
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 3: generally when you're talking about that, you're talking about guys

623
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 3: with quarterbacks that can play on for years, right, and

624
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,719
Speaker 3: therefore there's no reason that window can't be open for

625
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 3: the entire time they're there. Cincinnati Bengals and Joe Burrow

626
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:46,679
Speaker 3: that there's no reason that needs to be a two

627
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,639
Speaker 3: year window. This can be his entire career as the window.

628
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 3: Josh Allen and the Bills and obviously Patrick Mahomes and

629
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Speaker 3: the Chiefs like, the window is as long as that

630
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 3: guy's still there and playing the way he's capable of playing.

631
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Speaker 3: Where it gets different for a team like the yeah,

632
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 3: it is. You know, Rogers's already over forty. There is

633
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 3: a defined window there. He's not going to go on forever.

634
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 3: He's probably not going to go on for very long,

635
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:11,160
Speaker 3: so this is a shorter window where you know, teams

636
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 3: I think generally don't go too hard with that all

637
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 3: in strategy because that window talk is overblown. But I mean,

638
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 3: you might have one more year with Aaron Rodgers, so

639
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 3: when he leaves, you're starting over again. To an extent anyway,

640
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,160
Speaker 3: you might as well throw everything at that year.

641
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 1: Can you compare the situation to any that you've witnessed.

642
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,639
Speaker 1: I mean, because people brought up Tom Brady in the

643
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:38,160
Speaker 1: past last year, but now we don't have a situation

644
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,919
Speaker 1: where the quarterback's coming off in injury. You're pairing them

645
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 1: up with one of the best defenses in the National

646
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: Football League. I want to get your thoughts on that.

647
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: And there are some young stars at the skill positions

648
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 1: at offense.

649
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a little bit like the Tom Brady situation

650
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,439
Speaker 3: when he went to Tampa and everyone is kind of

651
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,640
Speaker 3: aware this would be you know, a one or two

652
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Speaker 3: year project.

653
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Speaker 2: Let's go, let's try and do this. Now.

654
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:02,959
Speaker 3: It's a little bit like the Rams as well when

655
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 3: they traded for Matthew Stafford. They definitely pushed more chips

656
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 3: into the middle than they would normally. I don't think

657
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 3: they they quite went as all in as people said

658
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,479
Speaker 3: were saying they were, but they definitely were very aware

659
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 3: that they had, you know, a quote unquote window of

660
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 3: a couple of years where they could win a Super

661
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 3: Bowl and now is the time to attack that, and

662
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 3: they got a championship out of it.

663
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 2: You know.

664
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 3: The Jets may be the most extreme version, I think

665
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,679
Speaker 3: in recent years of a team that like they have

666
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 3: a very defined window and it might only be this year.

667
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: When do you add a quarterback to the mix, because

668
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 1: you're going to have to get a young guy into

669
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 1: the stable at.

670
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 3: Some point, you are, I feel like it should be

671
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 3: as much as it's going to be front and center

672
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 3: in everybody's mind, you know, because of the way last

673
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 3: season went. Ultimately, whether it was Zach Wilson or any

674
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 3: other generic backup quarterback, the season's probably ending the same. Like,

675
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 3: maybe they sneak into the playoffs, but you're not getting

676
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 3: through the AFC with the backup quarterback, so it probably

677
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 3: doesn't matter, you know, whether it's Zach Wilson, Jacoby Brissett,

678
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 3: whoever your favorite backup is. If Rodgers goes down, it's done,

679
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 3: Like Rogers is how you're winning a super Bowl. And

680
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 3: even with one of the best defenses in the NFL,

681
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 3: even with improved roster around him, that the AFC is

682
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 3: still a gauntlet. You know, Buffalo couldn't get there with

683
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 3: Josh Allen and the incredible players that they have, Like,

684
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 3: you're almost certainly not getting through an AFC gauntlet and

685
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 3: then winning a super Bowl against whoever the NFC can

686
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 3: send there with your backup quarterback, even if he's a

687
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 3: significant step forward from Zach Wilson. So sure, upgrade the position,

688
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 3: you know, go get a backup.

689
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 1: Do you like any guys out there?

690
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 3: I mean, look, Jacoby Brissett hits the market almost every year.

691
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 3: He's a good backup, and I think we saw this

692
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 3: year there is value to those guys.

693
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 2: You know, Brissett is a.

694
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 3: Good guy that can come in and win you a

695
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 3: couple of games in a pinch and you know, steer

696
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 3: the ship and not be a liability at that spot.

697
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 3: I think he would absolutely be a good backup quarterback.

698
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 3: But like I say, I don't think it should be

699
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 3: that big a priority.

700
00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 1: Right, And Joe Douglas said today here in Indianapolis, the

701
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: Jets have given Zach Wilson and his agents permission to

702
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: seek a trade, So we'll have to see how that

703
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 1: all unfolds. What do you make of the position at

704
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:13,959
Speaker 1: ten overall for the Jets in terms of what's going

705
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: to happen before them and also the prospects, because this

706
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 1: seems like an unprecedented possibly run from an offensive perspective,

707
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 1: where maybe we see nine guys an offensive side of

708
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 1: all go before the Jets line up there to pick.

709
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they're in a good position.

710
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 3: Any of the teams picking in that top ten kind

711
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 3: of area that don't need a quarterback, I think you're

712
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 3: in a great spot because we might end up in

713
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 3: a draft where quarterback go one, two, three.

714
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 2: The teams in and around the next group.

715
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 3: Are quarterback needy, and they might move around and jump

716
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 3: up and go after quarterbacks or different spots. So anyone

717
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 3: that's just willing to sit there and see how the

718
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 3: draft falls to them may end up at a perfect position,

719
00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:00,120
Speaker 3: particularly if you're not necessarily in need of a wide

720
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,959
Speaker 3: receiver as well, or at least not in desperate need

721
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 3: of a wide receiver that you need that number one guy.

722
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 3: Maybe you can wait till later in the second or

723
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 3: third rounds for different teams and come back and get

724
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 3: a guy that's probably going to still come in and

725
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 3: be a good player, but doesn't need to be your

726
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 3: number one from day one. Because easily in the top ten,

727
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 3: we could have three quarterbacks off the board, we could

728
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 3: have three wide receivers off the board.

729
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 2: We could have a tackle or two.

730
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 3: But anyone that does need one of those positions is

731
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 3: just willing to sit there, and we could have the

732
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 3: top player on our board at a given position available

733
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 3: to us if.

734
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: All goals early. I Fashano goes early. You're there at ten,

735
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: you're Joe Douglas and you've addressed the offensive line to

736
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: a certain extent, and free agency, would you entertain the

737
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 1: possibility and know when you want to dance, you got

738
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 1: to find a partner. But actually moving back because the

739
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 1: Jets don't have a second round pick this year.

740
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's definitely on the table if certainly,

741
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 3: if there's a run on those offensive tackles, you know,

742
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 3: and a few of them go and they don't love

743
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 3: the next guy up absolutely. I think you listen to

744
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 3: phone calls again, teams in and around them are in

745
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 3: the quarterback markets. What kind of depends how those quarterbacks fall, right,

746
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 3: Maybe they're in a situation where, you know, JJ McCarthy

747
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 3: from Michigan is a lot.

748
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 2: Of people's QB four.

749
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 3: If he's still on the board, if there's a team

750
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 3: just below the Jets that want that guy, there's a

751
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 3: potential trade.

752
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 2: To be done there.

753
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's absolutely a live option. But also

754
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 3: grabbing the next tackle on the board might be might

755
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 3: make a lot of sense as well. To lease Fuaga

756
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 3: from Oregon. Steak is a guy that I think is

757
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 3: rising up boards recently. Yeah, but certainly I don't know

758
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 3: there's a big gap between you know, Joe Alton and

759
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 3: Fuaga and a guy like that. So if it does

760
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 3: go Fuaga, Fishan who gone? But Alts rather and fishanhu

761
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 3: gone and Fouega is still sitting there, it's not a

762
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 3: bad pick. I don't think to grab him.

763
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: Day three. I know you said this class does not

764
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: have the depth that we've seen recently, but where is

765
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: it going to be ultimately more promising than others?

766
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 3: I think there's some positions that are still very strong

767
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 3: wide receiver. Every year seems to be the case that

768
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 3: there's just so much depth at the wide receiver group,

769
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 3: but I think that's true this year as well, so

770
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 3: many good players. You can be twenty guys deep into

771
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 3: this class and still find receivers that you really like

772
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 3: and think and come in and be immediate contributors. It's

773
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 3: a weird running back group where there's nobody's going to

774
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 3: go on Day one. We might not see a guy

775
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 3: going in the second round either, but there's a ton

776
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 3: of guys in the third round or fourth round, you know,

777
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 3: where we're sort of analytics and data says you should

778
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 3: be drafting running backs anyway.

779
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 2: I think there's a load of.

780
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 3: Guys that could come in and be really useful parts

781
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 3: of a backfield and maybe not necessarily the every down

782
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 3: bell kalal that can do everything, but can fill a

783
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 3: role within a backfield that already has a specific type

784
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 3: of running back, you know, taking part of that equation

785
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 3: as well. I think running back has a lot of

786
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 3: useful players as well.

787
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 1: Are you ready for the immaculate grid here? Yeah? Let's

788
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 1: go all right, So here's how we're doing this wide

789
00:33:54,360 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: receiver offensive line you can have any selection realistics election

790
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: in terms of free agency or the draft wide receiver.

791
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: First an offensive line, and then question wherever you want

792
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: to go, whatever position you could double down on a position.

793
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, I say on.

794
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 1: The board is yours.

795
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 3: I'm going out of order right because I think my number,

796
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 3: my my big, my big expenditure is that top first

797
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:21,439
Speaker 3: round draft pick.

798
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 1: YEP.

799
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 3: I think the best thing that can happen to them

800
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:31,319
Speaker 3: is Fashanu from from Penn State, Uh falls to them

801
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 3: at number ten. Goops can't talk and write at the

802
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 3: same time as taking my brain.

803
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 2: I think you spend number ten on him.

804
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,760
Speaker 3: You have a guy that has incredible footwork, is incredibly strong.

805
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 3: I think he's one of the most natural pass blocking

806
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 3: tackles to come in.

807
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 2: The league in a long time. Immediately comes in fills.

808
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 3: Your left tackle starting position and gives you solidity at

809
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,800
Speaker 3: that spot, which is still the most important.

810
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 2: Spot on the offensive line. Right.

811
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 3: It's you know, things are developed a bit, it's there's

812
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 3: other positions are valuable as well, but left is still

813
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 3: where you want your best guy, and particularly when you

814
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 3: have an old quarterback coming off an Achilles.

815
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:08,399
Speaker 1: Injury, and even though your window is now. This guy

816
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: might not only help you in twenty twenty four, but

817
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: he might be sitting there for ten years.

818
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 2: Right.

819
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 3: He's a long term building block as well, so assuming

820
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 3: he hits the ground running, which is hit or miss

821
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 3: recently with tackles. You know, some guys have been amazing

822
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 3: from day one, some guys have taken a couple of years.

823
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 3: If he's able to hit the ground running, it's an

824
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,399
Speaker 3: absolute home run hit wide receiver. I think the best

825
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 3: thing that can happen to them is one of those

826
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,879
Speaker 3: one of those later draft picks that they have, third round,

827
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:38,439
Speaker 3: fourth round. Jamari Thrash from Louisville is a really talented guy.

828
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 3: He was really good at the All Star Games. He's

829
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 3: got quickness, he's got enough size. They don't need him

830
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 3: to be the number one. They've obviously already got Garrett

831
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 3: Wilson and a useful receiving corps. But he straight strikes

832
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:51,399
Speaker 3: me as the kind of guy that can come in

833
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 3: a little bit like Tank Dell and be just an

834
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 3: immediate impact player, albeit not one that's going to carry

835
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 3: the offense by himself.

836
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: Tamari Thrash LIEU of the Cardinal, what round do you

837
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 1: think around three or four.

838
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would be fine taking him around three.

839
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 3: He might last until four or beyond, because you know

840
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 3: there are some guys that aren't as high on him,

841
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 3: but I think he'd be an incredible player for them.

842
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 1: And then Sam's wildcard, my wildcard.

843
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 3: I think I would go back to the offensive line,

844
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:23,240
Speaker 3: and the spot that I would grab is Michael Owenu

845
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 3: the New England Patriots tackle slash guard, and.

846
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 2: I think at that point you end up.

847
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 3: With two of those players, with Elijah Vera Tucker at

848
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,720
Speaker 3: right tackle. Both those guys are capable playing right tackle

849
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 3: or guard. You just figure out which, you know what

850
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 3: the best order that is when it was always verted

851
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 3: well for us. From since day one, he's been moved

852
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 3: all around that Patriots offensive line. I think he's played

853
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,479
Speaker 3: at least three of the five starting positions for them.

854
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 3: I think his best position is right tackle, but I

855
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,919
Speaker 3: think you could slot him into at least to either

856
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 3: way of the right side and you'd be good.

857
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:58,280
Speaker 1: So you could go Fishano Love tackle one oh, right tackle,

858
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 1: and then he could shift back Elijah Vera Tucker to guard.

859
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, absolutely.

860
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: How about signing that baby or keep.

861
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 3: We got this for the record we go, or you

862
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 3: keep Elijah vir Tucker at right tackle and have a

863
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 3: winning play right guard.

864
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 2: Either way, your right side is set with those two guys.

865
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 2: I think I enjoyed it.

866
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. We do this every year and

867
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: top storyline coming out of this what are we gonna

868
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 1: learn from Indy?

869
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 2: I don't know.

870
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,839
Speaker 3: There's the last this time a year ago we had

871
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,439
Speaker 3: Jalen Carter getting himself arrested, and you know, all kinds

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Speaker 3: of crazy stories coming from this one's it's more of

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Speaker 3: a quiet combine so far. I'm sure once we get

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Speaker 3: to the workouts there'll be some you know, big stories

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Speaker 3: coming out of it. Guy like Chop Robinson, the Penn

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Speaker 3: State edge rusher might blow up the combine with some

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Speaker 3: crazy measurables.

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Speaker 2: But you know, there'll be a couple of guys like that.

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Speaker 3: But it's it's kind of a it's almost a by

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Speaker 3: the numbers combine so far.

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Speaker 1: Where can we find you throughout the off season? Let

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Speaker 1: them know?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, PFF dot com obviously is where all of our

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Speaker 3: stuff is or PFF underscore Sam on Twitter, slash x

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Speaker 3: what we're calling it these days.

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Speaker 1: Great senior, Thanks you, Thanks, thank you. M M M. M.