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Speaker 2: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered, our special draft extravaganza.
Speaker 2: It's Day three of the NFL Draft and it's Fred Kurge,
Speaker 2: Paul Torello, Evan Lazar, Mike do So. We'll be here
Speaker 2: for the next two hours at least, at least breaking
Speaker 2: down what's going on at most. So, Patriots made three
Speaker 2: picks yesterday. We'll go over them again. Right now, the
Speaker 2: NFL Draft is getting down to the end of the
Speaker 2: fourth round. I think there's two more picks left in
Speaker 2: the fourth round and then we're on to the fifth. Yeah, correct,
Speaker 2: where the Patriots have a couple picks.
Speaker 3: Right, just one one are seventy one right now, one
Speaker 3: thirty nine. The Patriots will next select the next schedule
Speaker 3: to select at one to seventy one, right right, Yeah.
Speaker 4: They still have three six round picks.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, they should happen pretty quick.
Speaker 2: I mean one seventy one's package those.
Speaker 4: Three six is to get up in the fifth will
Speaker 4: go two fifth rounds. Well I was looking at it
Speaker 4: last night, the trade value chart as one does, and Welles.
Speaker 2: Trying to figure out sure it all added up.
Speaker 5: If they did want to.
Speaker 4: Give rid of these sixth round picks, dump the picks,
Speaker 4: as they say, uh, then maybe you know they they
Speaker 4: if they did package two of their sixth round picks
Speaker 4: with their fifth round pick, they could have gotten back
Speaker 4: into the fourth round. So you know, one of their
Speaker 4: sixth round picks would get them to the top of
Speaker 4: the fourth of the fifth, maybe the very last pick
Speaker 4: of the fourth, top of the fifth, right in this range.
Speaker 4: So if they were interested in trading up, they they
Speaker 4: could do it right now. So stay tuned.
Speaker 5: Okay, that would be great because right now it feels
Speaker 5: like you're watching the fray go by a little bit.
Speaker 5: Guys going off the big board. Definitely a player.
Speaker 4: Definitely feels like this is a top one fifty kind
Speaker 4: of draft. Like once you get outside of the top
Speaker 4: one hundred and fifty picks, normally it starts to really
Speaker 4: fall off a cliff, but in a draft like this,
Speaker 4: I'd say it falls even harder.
Speaker 2: On my back of the envelope, guys went, Yeah, the
Speaker 2: Bills took Juke Bowery alignment from BC should have been
Speaker 2: a little closer to.
Speaker 3: The front of the envelope then, now, you do you
Speaker 3: do expect your back of the envelope guys to all
Speaker 3: get drafted?
Speaker 2: Right? Not necessarily.
Speaker 4: It's my favorite name of.
Speaker 5: The draft the Fijians Price Sock. Yes, I liked him,
Speaker 5: like a name I should have named taj. This is
Speaker 5: a reading in the book, right, it's very biblical. But
Speaker 5: you do expect all your back.
Speaker 4: Of the envelope guys to get killed, right?
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't think they all will. Oh no,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: My two except for the guys that have they had
Speaker 3: the red flag, they might not get Jack Velling could
Speaker 3: be an undrafted free agent as well as Xavian Surrey Junior.
Speaker 5: I mean, you're here today, freend, so maybe you can
Speaker 5: make some calls if he doesn't get drafted, you know,
Speaker 5: try to talk them some help.
Speaker 3: That was one of the talked about last night where
Speaker 3: they might miss Mike Rabel's presence is recruiter with the
Speaker 3: U d F as like my I mean, Fred, I
Speaker 3: think there's an opportunity.
Speaker 2: But all kidding aside that that was interesting that Elliott
Speaker 2: said that that it would be missed.
Speaker 5: I did think that was interesting. That was one of
Speaker 5: the things that I thought, you know, usually like the
Speaker 5: boards kind of set, I would assume that, you know,
Speaker 5: they can kind of pull the trigger. But Mike Rabel
Speaker 5: is a great salesman, and you hear all the players
Speaker 5: they've already selected respond to him on the phone. Uh,
Speaker 5: you know, I love I love what you know Lomu
Speaker 5: had to say about, you know, getting to meet him,
Speaker 5: and he's a little aggressive, you know, kind of stand
Speaker 5: off with him. So that is something I think that
Speaker 5: that could hurt a little bit.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, look.
Speaker 4: At Elijah Ponder. You know, they got him as an
Speaker 4: undrafted rookie last year and he contributed a lot as
Speaker 4: a rookie.
Speaker 2: All Right, so you've had a night to sleep on it.
Speaker 5: I didn't really sleep Forred. I'm gonna be honest. That
Speaker 5: coffee right before the show last night. I'm up on
Speaker 5: my I know I was coming to Fred, but you
Speaker 5: need to. I'm still ready.
Speaker 2: Your day after assessment of the first three picks for
Speaker 2: the New England Patriots.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it's there's a lot to like about Rared,
Speaker 5: and I mean I think there's a lot comparable to
Speaker 5: Lomu and that there is some raw ability there, but
Speaker 5: the athleticism again, and you know, I don't always going
Speaker 5: back to that, but they've been drafting a lot of
Speaker 5: really athletic guys, good size, good link. That was actually
Speaker 5: talking to Brian Hory. We're having a Patriots event here,
Speaker 5: watch party. Bunch of pups. If you're around the area,
Speaker 5: get down there a lot of cute little dogs running around.
Speaker 5: But you know, Brian Horry really liked the pick. He
Speaker 5: was telling me that, you know, he thinks he's gonna
Speaker 5: fit Josh McDaniel's offense.
Speaker 4: Really well, but probably needs to get a little.
Speaker 5: Stronger, you know, continue to one, continue to grow up,
Speaker 5: Kolby Young, is that what you're saying? Going so, yeah,
Speaker 5: I I like it. I'm excited to see him coming.
Speaker 5: It's exactly the cos there you go.
Speaker 3: Could you see the wheels turning? An even points to
Speaker 3: the screens. There's another one of Fred's guys, and Fred
Speaker 3: looks and you see him thinking, is that one of.
Speaker 4: My looks at his domble.
Speaker 3: He actually has a back of the envelope, that is,
Speaker 3: it's not like a metaphor.
Speaker 5: It actually is the back of the envelope.
Speaker 4: Real thing and then it cuts. That's one of my guys.
Speaker 4: I remember all the guys he said. It's one of
Speaker 4: my favorite parts of the draft is hearing what you
Speaker 4: guys think. I spend way too much time on this,
Speaker 4: so I'm interested to hear it.
Speaker 2: I just do a back of the envelope and I'm
Speaker 2: more accurate than one hundred percent and.
Speaker 4: Nailed only kidding, Yeah, you nailed it.
Speaker 5: But I'm I'm excited to see Raredan come into here
Speaker 5: and see how he fits in. Wanted that third tight
Speaker 5: end you can learn under Hunter Henry. But I think
Speaker 5: he's got size, He's got big hands, and I think
Speaker 5: that that could be a potential weapon in the red.
Speaker 2: Und He could be well, he could be the hidden
Speaker 2: gem of this draft for the Patriots.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think what you're optimistic about with him
Speaker 4: because I know a lot of people go back to
Speaker 4: the injuries and the tear and then retear of the
Speaker 4: same acl but that that happened in twenty twenty one
Speaker 4: and twenty twenty two. You know, he played twenty eight
Speaker 4: straight games. I'd noted, damn without getting hurt. So hopefully
Speaker 4: the injuries are are in his rear view mirror, and
Speaker 4: he's beyond that now as a player, and obviously he
Speaker 4: had to break out season last year, you know at
Speaker 4: Notre Dame, So I maybe I would have picked different
Speaker 4: guys in certain spots than they did. But there were
Speaker 4: so many different conversations of going tackle, edge, tight end.
Speaker 4: With their first three picks, felt like every mock draft
Speaker 4: you saw was that combination in some order way, shape
Speaker 4: or form. So they they kind of in that respect
Speaker 4: wen Chalk and sort of did what we all wanted
Speaker 4: them to do and expected them to do. You know,
Speaker 4: they took Raridon. You know at the end of the
Speaker 4: third round, maybe I would have taken injuries from Texas,
Speaker 4: but they took Rridon and like they probably will end
Speaker 4: up being right about it. You know, he's probably will
Speaker 4: be a better player. So I think in a lot
Speaker 4: of different cases they did sort of you can't be
Speaker 4: mad at them at all, Like, yeah, because they did
Speaker 4: what what we all wanted and expected, and then what
Speaker 4: they were saying all off season were the priorities, and
Speaker 4: they went out and they attacked them.
Speaker 2: So if the aj Brown thing wasn't didn't seem to
Speaker 2: be so likely. Do you think one of those three
Speaker 2: might have been a wide receiver on more mock drafts
Speaker 2: as we got closer to the draft.
Speaker 5: Maybe maybe sure, I think we crossed wide receiver. Maybe
Speaker 5: not entirely off the list, but I would say the
Speaker 5: first two days I crossed it off the list, assuming
Speaker 5: it's going to be aj Brown. But keep going back
Speaker 5: to the point that they have three guys that are
Speaker 5: for contract next year, talking about Booty, they do need
Speaker 5: some other guys in the pipeline, so I wouldn't be
Speaker 5: surprised here if the right guy falls through the cracks.
Speaker 5: Everybody's saying how bad this draft is, Is there really
Speaker 5: going to be much of a market for the undrafted guys.
Speaker 5: I'd assume that these six and seventh round picks are
Speaker 5: essentially going to be the guys who are usually that
Speaker 5: quality of player of undrafted.
Speaker 3: To the experts that a lot of them have said
Speaker 3: stuff like that Day three is going to be a
Speaker 3: struggle comparatively. Now, there's going to be good players that
Speaker 3: get taken today. You know, there always are There always
Speaker 3: are guys, you know, like Pooka Nakula that you know
Speaker 3: no one's really paying attention to, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: three years from now, you go, like, imagine they got
Speaker 3: that guy in the fifth round or whatever. You know, Yeah,
Speaker 3: there's always, I mean always hidden guys. I'm curious on
Speaker 3: on Raridan. Is it rared in or is it just Rearden? Like,
Speaker 3: how do we rared in? I think so Okay, So
Speaker 3: I'm not ready to just say he's a third tight end.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm wondering if they're going if they're going
Speaker 3: to use two tight end sets. Yeah, I mean, I
Speaker 3: I don't think it makes a lot of sense to
Speaker 3: have Hill out there with with Hunter Henry. I think
Speaker 3: it makes more sense to have this guy out there
Speaker 3: with Hunter Henry and have two guys that the defense
Speaker 3: necessarily has to pay attention to.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just I would say like tight end is
Speaker 4: typically one of the slower developing positions from college to
Speaker 4: the NFL. Now, Notre Dame is a good tight end factory,
Speaker 4: and they maybe they're guys are a little bit more
Speaker 4: pro ready than the average and a college tight end
Speaker 4: their college prospect. But most of the time, tight end
Speaker 4: is a slower burn when it comes to develop. No,
Speaker 4: You're right about it.
Speaker 2: So I look at I think.
Speaker 4: That Rariden has a potential to have an imp because
Speaker 4: of his vertical field stretching ability. That's an element that
Speaker 4: Henry and Hill. At this stage of Henry's career, he's
Speaker 4: not bringing the down the field threat that Raridan can bring.
Speaker 4: So you know, maybe he's one of those guys that,
Speaker 4: you know, just like he did last year in college.
Speaker 4: You know, he only had thirty two catches, but they
Speaker 4: went for fifteen yards of catch, which you know, I
Speaker 4: like it, right, So you know, maybe he's only has
Speaker 4: twenty catches as a rookie, but he is able to
Speaker 4: break off some big plays and make an impact that way.
Speaker 4: I would just temper expectations that he's gonna step in
Speaker 4: and have like this huge role, No, because that doesn't
Speaker 4: really usually happen at tight end unless you draft a
Speaker 4: guy like Tyler Warren or something like that.
Speaker 5: In the fast I wouldn't expect that.
Speaker 3: I'm just I'm just looking ahead to some specific things
Speaker 3: that they did with like with Hooper and yeah, and Henry,
Speaker 3: and I think that he can, you know, because I
Speaker 3: don't think Hooper had a huge role last year. No,
Speaker 3: but a couple of touchdowns, yeah, a couple of big
Speaker 3: plays like Evan just talked about, And you know, I
Speaker 3: think maybe this guy the ability to do that. He's right,
Speaker 3: Evan's right about I mean, even with Gronk and Hernandez.
Speaker 3: It took Gronk a little bit. You know, we're talking
Speaker 3: about one of the best, if not the best, to
Speaker 3: ever do it. It took him a little while to
Speaker 3: get his feet wet. But it's usually the you know,
Speaker 3: balancing the dual responsibilities because you're almost like another off
Speaker 3: You're almost like a sixth offensive lineman and you're you know,
Speaker 3: like the fourth receiver, you know, at.
Speaker 5: The same time.
Speaker 3: That's exactly and that's what makes that transition a little
Speaker 3: more difficult.
Speaker 5: Well that's that's what makes me excited about him because
Speaker 5: I kind of made peace with a guy like delp
Speaker 5: or maybe he's never gonna be that guy, and that's okay,
Speaker 5: that you can find a role for that guy. But
Speaker 5: the potential of rot and I, you know, I went
Speaker 5: back to my notes of what I wrote about him,
Speaker 5: and I, you know, I felt like he had the
Speaker 5: desire to block. I think he's maybe a better blocker
Speaker 5: than some people are getting him credit for. But I
Speaker 5: think you can also get stronger and tougher and to
Speaker 5: develop an all around tight end like that and You've
Speaker 5: got the balance in front of him between Hill and
Speaker 5: Henry that you know, you don't have to do anything.
Speaker 2: An intriguing potential.
Speaker 5: It's exactly what I wanted of We can just it's
Speaker 5: when I said to Hoyer, I'm like, Josh can kind
Speaker 5: of play with this kid a little bit. There's no
Speaker 5: pressure on him to have to come in and you know, look,
Speaker 5: we're gonna let you play, but you better make sure
Speaker 5: you're blocking well. You know, if there's not that, it's hey,
Speaker 5: this is gonna be a package for you. We feel
Speaker 5: like we can take advantage of your size down the
Speaker 5: seam and you know, just the catch radius, the size
Speaker 5: of the hands that I've been saying it all all
Speaker 5: spring appealing to me with Drake May who Drake May like.
Speaker 4: That's my favorite part about him as a player, Like
Speaker 4: you have nearly eleven in chance, an eighty inch wingspan,
Speaker 4: he's six foot.
Speaker 5: Six, he likes he's all of six foot six.
Speaker 4: You know, he's a seam runner. He runs a lot
Speaker 4: of deep crossing routes, he runs a lot of you know,
Speaker 4: post corner type concepts, and he's just a big target.
Speaker 4: He's a big, big target and you can just see
Speaker 4: in your eye, you can just see Drake may just
Speaker 4: kind of putting it on the platter for him and
Speaker 4: letting him use his size and you know, be a nice, big,
Speaker 4: friendly target for him between the numbers. But you know,
Speaker 4: I just I look at it as this year. I like,
Speaker 4: you get a few big plays out of him, like
Speaker 4: I was talking about earlier, with his speed and with
Speaker 4: his ability to stretch the field vertically. But really you're
Speaker 4: drafting him because Hunter Henry's thirty one years old and
Speaker 4: you want a developmental player at that position. You want
Speaker 4: to add somebody into the pipeline. With Akis, I think
Speaker 4: Agus is going to push for playing time right away.
Speaker 4: I think Akis has a chance. And I love Harold Landry.
Speaker 4: I'm not trying to be disrespectful, but I think Accus
Speaker 4: has a chance to be to surpass Harold Landry immediately
Speaker 4: pretty quickly. I agree as a rookie that that picked
Speaker 4: you know, Lamu and rare it In feel more like
Speaker 4: long term development plays, which is what the draft is for.
Speaker 4: Akus feels like the guy that is going to make
Speaker 4: the biggest impact on this.
Speaker 3: Maybe they can sort of transition Landry to you know,
Speaker 3: you know, we talk a lot about Morgan Moses. They
Speaker 3: have a plan for him, you know, is coming off
Speaker 3: an injury. Maybe that's the.
Speaker 5: Plan, you know, get him a bunch of reps, can.
Speaker 3: Make him more of a part time player, and let
Speaker 3: akin in Draymond Jones be the you know, sort of
Speaker 3: the every down you know, edge setting physical uh you know, yeah,
Speaker 3: bull rush types as opposed to the speed rush types.
Speaker 3: I mean, there's a lot to ask for a rookie
Speaker 3: second or pick. I'm not putting the cart before the horse,
Speaker 3: but potentially I could see something like that. And what
Speaker 3: I really like about the offense when you're talking about
Speaker 3: all this stuff you guys, is these are some of
Speaker 3: the little chess pieces, like you said, Mike, that that
Speaker 3: Josh can use with a kid like this, and then
Speaker 3: you can go power with what they did in the
Speaker 3: off season, you know, like Barah Tucker, you know up
Speaker 3: front in front of Reggie Gilliam and Julian Hill. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, when you want to talk to you guys
Speaker 3: at the combine about wanting to be more wanted to
Speaker 3: be more physical, wanted to be more consistent running the ball.
Speaker 3: We've got to get stronger. Yeah, right, That's what he
Speaker 3: said to you guys. Yeah, so now they have the
Speaker 3: opportunity to do that.
Speaker 2: I've heard of the past though, that sometimes it's hard
Speaker 2: to do that for a linemen. It's like you're either
Speaker 2: the game plans there were going to fire out and
Speaker 2: be running today or or not. And you know, it's
Speaker 2: it's tough to make that transition within the game. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, because it's a different mindset.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you could see that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll see. I also just I was.
Speaker 5: Looking back at you know, their rankings in the red
Speaker 5: zone last year. I mean, they they peaked kind of
Speaker 5: around the middle of the league, but basically they were
Speaker 5: below average. I mean, you know, by Baltimore, they're twenty
Speaker 5: six in the league in red zone offense. I mean,
Speaker 5: I wonder if Riden can help that number two because
Speaker 5: that's a place that I don't think they were.
Speaker 4: All in his profile that I you know, as I've
Speaker 4: dug deeper into the tape, you know, in the last
Speaker 4: twelve hours, he only had three career touchdowns at Notre Dame.
Speaker 4: He had zero last year, you know, in his big season,
Speaker 4: and I was, you know, was it usage?
Speaker 5: Was it?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 4: You know, they just didn't feature him in the red
Speaker 4: zone obviously they had those two running backs and they
Speaker 4: kind of just ran the ball in a lot of
Speaker 4: the time Jeremiah Love and and Price. But I was
Speaker 4: just looking at that and I thought that was weird,
Speaker 4: Like this six foot six, big tight end, pass catching
Speaker 4: tight end with this huge catch radius and big hands,
Speaker 4: and like you'd think that that would be a mismatch
Speaker 4: kind of piece that you could use in the red zone.
Speaker 4: And they didn't really use him. Interesting and that, but
Speaker 4: not that he wasn't on the field, but it just
Speaker 4: wasn't He wasn't a featured red zone target. So maybe
Speaker 4: there's untapped potential there. Yeah, you know, maybe there's more
Speaker 4: there that Notre Dame didn't do with him. You know,
Speaker 4: that's part of the translation, you know. I would say
Speaker 4: the college game from a passing standpoint, with receivers and
Speaker 4: tight end is very different than the pro style game.
Speaker 4: And they don't really feature the tight end in college
Speaker 4: as like a mismatch weapon like they do in the pros.
Speaker 4: They don't move him around as much, they don't hunt
Speaker 4: matchups as much with those guys. I'd say Notre Dame
Speaker 4: does it more than the average school in college, but
Speaker 4: for the most part, it's not. That's not what you're
Speaker 4: really trying to get out of that position.
Speaker 2: Back to Akis, what did you think about how emotional
Speaker 2: he was in his call when he talked of Rabel
Speaker 2: and the owner and love it.
Speaker 4: I mean that doesn't like he like you just hear
Speaker 4: so much about his violence and his physicality. You don't
Speaker 4: play like that if you're without emotion, right, like, you know,
Speaker 4: like I feel like those two things go hand in hand.
Speaker 4: He was a captain at Illinois, like a real leader
Speaker 4: of that program. And I feel like you can't be
Speaker 4: running through guys faces like he does. If you're not,
Speaker 4: you don't have that sort of attitude about you. So,
Speaker 4: I mean him and Mike Rabel are like kindred spirit.
Speaker 2: It's like he just seemed like really grateful to have
Speaker 2: been taken. Yeah, and now that he's been taken, like
Speaker 2: he said, you're gonna get everything I can give.
Speaker 5: From day, send me the playbooks, send me the playbook.
Speaker 4: I wonder if some of that too he lasted, you know,
Speaker 4: like for him, you know, there were rumblings that he
Speaker 4: was going to be a top forty, top fifty pick
Speaker 4: easily when fifty five, so he waited a little bit
Speaker 4: longer than maybe he was expecting. So maybe there was
Speaker 4: a little bit of relief that you know, he finally
Speaker 4: did get drafted as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, gabbitus that's his new names. All right, where are we?
Speaker 4: We are picked five of the fifth five.
Speaker 2: They hold back. Yeah, this could go a lot faster
Speaker 2: if the league wanted it to. Sam hecked about twenty
Speaker 2: five twenty five.
Speaker 4: There's a handful of centers that have gone in the
Speaker 4: last like, you know, twenty picks or so that we're
Speaker 4: all the centers that everybody has been talking about. Logan
Speaker 4: Jones went super early, but you know, Connor Lao, Sam Hacked, like,
Speaker 4: those are the guys that a lot of people are
Speaker 4: talking about, is projecting them as starting centers.
Speaker 5: You know that I have a lot of the off
Speaker 5: the ball linebackers have gone. They have That's that's been
Speaker 5: a spot where you know a number of guys Jimmy
Speaker 5: Roller from Michigan we talked about. Uh, I don't think
Speaker 5: Perkins has gone yet, but you know that's just the
Speaker 5: spot we talked about day three. Wer Yeah, Betcher.
Speaker 4: Betcher, Yeah. Laws in Deantay Lawson from Alabama has injury
Speaker 4: red flags on him. Harold Perkins obviously had the A
Speaker 4: C L earlier on in his career at LSU justin Jefferson.
Speaker 4: You know, some people liked him Aiden Fisher, My guy's
Speaker 4: still there. He was like kind of the last I
Speaker 4: was a Betcher Roller Fisher. You know, those are the
Speaker 4: three guys I was zooming in on. I like Perkins too,
Speaker 4: is just like a fun chess piece if you can
Speaker 4: figure him out. I mean, he's such a good athlete.
Speaker 4: If you can figure out what to do with him,
Speaker 4: then you know you might get a steal there. So
Speaker 4: they're looking for the guy that is more consistent and
Speaker 4: is just gonna kind of do the Robert Splane dance,
Speaker 4: then that's probably like a Fisher if you're looking for
Speaker 4: upside and potential than Perkins. Still being there is intriguing.
Speaker 2: Bob and Wilmington, North Carolina, writes Senate podcast at Patriots
Speaker 2: dot Com. He wants to know what's your favorite round
Speaker 2: of the draft?
Speaker 5: Second round? First, Well, the second round, because I think
Speaker 5: that's where you know. The first round you general generally
Speaker 5: know you know how guys are gonna go. But I
Speaker 5: think second round gets interesting, and I also think that's
Speaker 5: a time where you get a guy who might be
Speaker 5: devalued a little bit, but that still maybe they're coming
Speaker 5: off a bad year, maybe they had an injury. You
Speaker 5: have to take a little bit of a chance on
Speaker 5: a guy the first round. I love it, of course,
Speaker 5: but a lot of pressure on that player, you know,
Speaker 5: and to nail that player for the team. So I
Speaker 5: love Day two. I just that second and third round.
Speaker 5: Said it last night. That's where the rubber meets the road.
Speaker 4: That's the pick.
Speaker 5: Still, that's the heart of your draft. You've got to
Speaker 5: hit those ones. And you know, and to Paul's point,
Speaker 5: the Day three ones, this is where the great teams
Speaker 5: find players. This is you know, if you want to
Speaker 5: be consistently competitive in the NFL, you've got to find
Speaker 5: a couple of players almost every year on Day three.
Speaker 5: And that's what that's what the really good teams do.
Speaker 5: So you know, Patriots not No. Four fourth round pick.
Speaker 5: That's a little bit of a doughnut in their in
Speaker 5: their draft class this year. But you know, hopefully they
Speaker 5: have somebody here who falls through the cracks. But you know,
Speaker 5: to be honest, a lot of the guys that I
Speaker 5: love there, they're going fast and furious.
Speaker 2: Now, yeah, what's your favorite round.
Speaker 4: I would say day two, you know, even the fourth round,
Speaker 4: Like I think that's where you separate the men from
Speaker 4: the boys. Like everybody can draft in the first round,
Speaker 4: like if you're especially if you're high in the first round.
Speaker 4: You know, I look even at the Patriots, like you know,
Speaker 4: Drake May and Will Campbell, like you know, those guys
Speaker 4: are guys that are consensus great players, great prospects.
Speaker 2: Uh, you know, but you know, not everyone you know.
Speaker 3: And there's a lot of misses, right, And I think
Speaker 3: you get that. It's so exacerbated when you missed there,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean because of what Ever's saying, Like,
Speaker 3: these are the guys that everybody has rated, and if
Speaker 3: you miss some one of those, you know, there's a
Speaker 3: laundry list of offensive tackles that have missed in the
Speaker 3: first round over the last five years.
Speaker 2: You paid a big price the draft high in the
Speaker 2: first round, whether it's because you suck or you traded
Speaker 2: a lot of acids to get there. Miss.
Speaker 4: I just think the killer the real hardcore scouting is
Speaker 4: yesterday and today, right, Like, and the guys that I
Speaker 4: think the best teams, like Deuce was saying, are the
Speaker 4: ones that find the diamonds in the rough. You know,
Speaker 4: Paul mentioned Nikua earlier on the show. You know, the
Speaker 4: Patriots like you going back to it drafting Craig Woodson
Speaker 4: in the fourth round. You know, like that that sort
Speaker 4: of those sort of picks are huge. I mean that
Speaker 4: that's if.
Speaker 5: You're asking me what's more impressive? You know what's harder?
Speaker 3: Absolutely, you know when you're getting those Day two and
Speaker 3: Day three picks. When the when when all the consensus
Speaker 3: talent is gone? Because in the first round you're picking
Speaker 3: from consensus talented players. But now you've got to figure
Speaker 3: out the intangibles. You know, who has you know, the desire,
Speaker 3: you know who's who's in what what what player is
Speaker 3: important enough? And then who fits in your system and
Speaker 3: stuff like that, what's what's the better fit? Yeah, I
Speaker 3: just think first rounders the difference makers. Yeah, and that's why.
Speaker 4: Most of the time.
Speaker 5: But then I gravitate the talent.
Speaker 4: Most, Like if you're gonna throw Trey Lance at me,
Speaker 4: like I can throw Fred Warner at you, like you know,
Speaker 4: like there's guys like that that go you know later
Speaker 4: in the draft to the.
Speaker 2: Only reason I threw Trey Lance. You said it was
Speaker 2: easy to draft the first well.
Speaker 5: It's pretty easy. There's more.
Speaker 3: I would argue there's more Round one busts than there
Speaker 3: are Day three Fred Warner I was.
Speaker 5: Going to say, it's hard not to draft in the
Speaker 5: first round. It's hard not to draft the guy. And
Speaker 5: I wonder in some of these teams if it becomes
Speaker 5: kind of group thinking. It's you look at these mock
Speaker 5: drafts and they say, well, Trey Lance is the fourth quarterback,
Speaker 5: and everyone's got that, and do.
Speaker 4: We really love them?
Speaker 5: Like I don't know, but you know, like I, it's
Speaker 5: hard because these guys get slotted and you know, you're
Speaker 5: they're supposed to go there.
Speaker 4: But go back five years, look at the.
Speaker 5: First round, Paul's there's a handful of complete miss It's going.
Speaker 3: To be eight to ten guys that you say, eh, yeah,
Speaker 3: he's okay. And you and here's the here's the thing
Speaker 3: that happens to and it happens to me all the time.
Speaker 3: You know all those names because we're doing we do
Speaker 3: this every year, right, so you really remember those thirty
Speaker 3: forty names very well, you know, and then you look at,
Speaker 3: you know, the round five guys that are getting taken
Speaker 3: today right now, you know, a lot of these names
Speaker 3: are somewhat familiar to me because you know I but
Speaker 3: they'll go right out of my mind if they don't hit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, do you know what I mean? Whereas you know
Speaker 4: what I would just say, like if you say, you know,
Speaker 4: there's I don't know. It's usually like a fifty percent
Speaker 4: hit rate in the first round, and then once we
Speaker 4: get out of the first round, that drops off a cliff, right, yeah,
Speaker 4: and then once we get into Day three that drops
Speaker 4: off another play. Sure, So like at least in the
Speaker 4: first round, you're you're flipping a coin that you're probably
Speaker 4: going to hit on the player, and if you're good
Speaker 4: at it, you're in the And.
Speaker 3: The miss in the first round is usually not a
Speaker 3: guy who's like out of the league, unless you're less
Speaker 3: like the Raiders.
Speaker 2: At what point in the draft, it's more it's more
Speaker 2: it's better to be lucky than good, lucky than good,
Speaker 2: you know, like if you're hitting in fifth, sixth, and
Speaker 2: seventh round, is that more luck or is it really good?
Speaker 5: It's probably a coin flip between those two probably, to
Speaker 5: be honest.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I would also say, like I know what
Speaker 3: your point is, but like if you do that consistently,
Speaker 3: you have a hard time calling.
Speaker 2: It luck, right, Yeah, Like, but who the Rams.
Speaker 3: Have consistently gotten like really high quality players outside of
Speaker 3: the first round, now out of necessity because they gave
Speaker 3: away so many of the first round picks, but they
Speaker 3: had that that slight up. Then one of the nights
Speaker 3: of the draft this weekend, and there was like eight
Speaker 3: guys on that board. None of them were first round picks,
Speaker 3: you know, and they're all, you know, household names for
Speaker 3: everybody who watches Rams games like that, At some point,
Speaker 3: it's not luck. Now if you just you know, you
Speaker 3: picked Tom Brady in the sixth round, there's an element
Speaker 3: of fortune to that. I'm not trying to be silly
Speaker 3: about it. But when you get good, when you get
Speaker 3: Craig Woodson's yeah, I would say I have a hard
Speaker 3: time calling that luck through four.
Speaker 4: Like, I'm not talking about the back end of the third.
Speaker 4: I don't think they were lucky to get Craig Woodson.
Speaker 4: I think they identified something that.
Speaker 2: Guy like Julian Edelman, that's that's that's a lot. They
Speaker 2: saw something in him because he was it was a quarterback.
Speaker 2: They knew he wasn't going to be a quarterback.
Speaker 3: Ye, Bill had no idea and he is. He's admitted
Speaker 3: it as much. He had no idea what he wanted
Speaker 3: to do.
Speaker 2: Some yeahpetitor driving him, we can do something with that.
Speaker 5: It's interesting what it is, right, well, I think that's
Speaker 5: the feeling in these later rounds is what's the one trait? Like,
Speaker 5: is there one trait? Does he have great size? Does
Speaker 5: he have great speed? Does he have great quickness? And
Speaker 5: then see if we can build around them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's interesting. I think that, you know, the Julian
Speaker 4: Edelman's are probably trailblazers in this regard. But like you
Speaker 4: see so many of these guys when you're doing research
Speaker 4: on these players that work quarterbacks and they actually just
Speaker 4: make the switch in college now you know, like so yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: so it's no yah Stowers was one of them. It's
Speaker 4: no longer the Julian Edelman route of Oh he was
Speaker 4: a college quarterback all the way through and then he
Speaker 4: becomes a wide receiver. So I bet you you know,
Speaker 4: it's probably a little bit to do with Edelman's success
Speaker 4: and you know why that happened sooner. But you know,
Speaker 4: Jacobe Myers is one of those guys. He started as
Speaker 4: a quarterback and then he switched in college to wide receivers,
Speaker 4: so you see that lesson less now that they position
Speaker 4: switches once you get to the league.
Speaker 2: Mike and Brooklyn writes and he wants to talk about
Speaker 2: Raret and he says, I've watched every down and game
Speaker 2: he played at Notre Dame. Nice, my wife of twelve
Speaker 2: is a Notre Dame alumnus, so we don't make plans
Speaker 2: on Saturdays in the fall, we watch the Irish. He's
Speaker 2: gonna be good. He is too tall to block with
Speaker 2: a lot of power, but as a crazy athlete, and
Speaker 2: Notre Dame used his speed and lengthy have him get
Speaker 2: to key places in the run game. He and Lomu
Speaker 2: give them a lot of flexibility in how they can block.
Speaker 2: In the run game at Notre Dame, is ranged to
Speaker 2: get really wide or to the second third level, helped
Speaker 2: spring a ton of big runs for love and price.
Speaker 2: With an athlete like Lomu and May being a run
Speaker 2: threat and the speed Henderson has, I think they're building
Speaker 2: a run game built around space and athleticism, not power,
Speaker 2: and it's really exciting. Really want to know what Evan
Speaker 2: thinks of this?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that's definitely a lot of good points
Speaker 4: I think with Reard and you know his blocking tape,
Speaker 4: he's definitely at his best when he can get some
Speaker 4: momentum into the blocks, whether it's in space orts up
Speaker 4: to the second level, or you know, down blocking on
Speaker 4: the line of scrimmage, where he's using his athleticism to
Speaker 4: like create power. You know, if you ask him to
Speaker 4: just sit there and dig out somebody, you know, at
Speaker 4: the point of attack, he doesn't really have the raw
Speaker 4: strength and the you know, the power to kind of
Speaker 4: displace that defender. But if you give him some momentum,
Speaker 4: like he was really good at inserting like up through
Speaker 4: the middle of the line of scrimmage, up to the
Speaker 4: linebackers at the second level and kind of almost like
Speaker 4: a full back, you know, leading through the whole, so
Speaker 4: to speak. So there was a lot of different movement
Speaker 4: blocks that I thought were impressive. And you know, when
Speaker 4: we talked to Elliott Wolf yesterday, you know, that's what
Speaker 4: he said. He said, they want athletes on the offensive
Speaker 4: line that they want to be a little bit more athletic,
Speaker 4: and you know, with that is going to probably come
Speaker 4: with finesse. You know, like that's just naturally a side
Speaker 4: effect of getting guys that are good athletes, but they'll
Speaker 4: be fun. I mean, if they they're all of a
Speaker 4: sudden a you know, more of like a spread space
Speaker 4: team and Drake Mays and the shotgun a lot and
Speaker 4: he's surveying and doing his thing like that, that would
Speaker 4: be a fun brand of football to watch.
Speaker 2: Okay, Anthony and Seattle says, take a.
Speaker 3: Lot of excitement out of the draft with that whole
Speaker 3: run oriented thing.
Speaker 5: Kind of bummed me out a little bit. Why so,
Speaker 5: I don't want to be a running team.
Speaker 4: They don't want to be a running team. They're drafting
Speaker 4: all these athletes because they don't want to move the ball.
Speaker 3: I want to score.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I want to move the ball and score.
Speaker 3: Mike, how do you score.
Speaker 4: To score?
Speaker 5: Run to win?
Speaker 6: Well?
Speaker 4: What was the thing when I asked Elliot Wolf about
Speaker 4: the athlete.
Speaker 3: I'm being starcastic, everybody.
Speaker 4: The number one thing that he said was pass blocking,
Speaker 4: because we have a quarterback that's going to drop back
Speaker 4: to pass a lot. That was his number one thing.
Speaker 4: And then he got into some of the multiplicity in
Speaker 4: the run game.
Speaker 3: And I understand like Rabel's thing about being more consistent
Speaker 3: in the running game with some with some ability to
Speaker 3: run when you need to run a little bit more effectively.
Speaker 3: I'm all for that, because that's Mike's cliche. Yeah, that's
Speaker 3: when you when you run to win, like you throw
Speaker 3: the score and you run to win. I know that's
Speaker 3: a cliche, but there's a lot of validity to that.
Speaker 4: I would just say that where I differentiate with the
Speaker 4: blocking element with the tight end position. When you're blocking
Speaker 4: out in space and you're blocking up on the move
Speaker 4: and you're getting the tight end on linebackers and defensive backs,
Speaker 4: like it's cool to watch that, and like there's there's
Speaker 4: value to that. That doesn't really make him a blocker
Speaker 4: in my opinion, like a a guy that's a blocker
Speaker 4: is a guy that puts his hand in the dirt
Speaker 4: and can block.
Speaker 7: Any more of a guy who gets in the way
Speaker 7: and outside linebacker.
Speaker 3: You did that for them last year was Mac Hollins.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, he was a big time He was really
Speaker 3: a slot tight end who blocked for them in those
Speaker 3: kinds of situations.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And there's nothing I'm not you could do that
Speaker 4: saying that it's a bad thing. I'm just saying, you know,
Speaker 4: when we start talking about guys that are true blocking
Speaker 4: tight ends. I think of the inline guys like Gronk
Speaker 4: that had to hand in the dirt, and like Gronk
Speaker 4: could take a three hundred and five pound defensive end
Speaker 4: and block them. I don't think Raridan is going to
Speaker 4: be that kind of guy.
Speaker 2: Anthony ciliss I agree with Evan Induced. I think you
Speaker 2: can make up for a first round miss with second
Speaker 2: and third round hits.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't. Well, still miss on your first round pick.
Speaker 3: You're not getting blue chip talent.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's I mean the exception will be if you
Speaker 5: somehow you know, I'm blue chip talent in those second
Speaker 5: and I mean you.
Speaker 3: Can do that once in a while. But you're not
Speaker 3: getting consistent blue chip talent beyond the.
Speaker 5: First right, Like maybe the acceptable thing is you got
Speaker 5: a solid player, but not you know, but if you
Speaker 5: have good players throughout the draft.
Speaker 3: But like, there's a reason why when you look back
Speaker 3: at the Hall of Fame and you go by round,
Speaker 3: there's the reason why they're almost all first round.
Speaker 2: Right, sure talent, let's go to the phones eight five five,
Speaker 2: pats five hundred, Fred, you.
Speaker 3: Lost your chance to get Justin Jefferson. All these years later,
Speaker 3: he went back into.
Speaker 5: The draft times. Yeah, as a linebacker.
Speaker 2: Interesting, Let's go to Dorchester where Butcher's what's up this
Speaker 2: Butch turns.
Speaker 8: Big guys looking at talk linebacker here. I feel like
Speaker 8: every year, even going back to the end of the
Speaker 8: Belichick days, we're looking for some solution here at inside linebacker,
Speaker 8: and it seems like, you know, these guys are available
Speaker 8: around three to five, and they're relatively cheap and free agency,
Speaker 8: and we just you know, seem to be putting a
Speaker 8: band aid on the situation here instead of you know,
Speaker 8: sort of building long term. So we got Splaine and
Speaker 8: right now, I'd say Alice is starting next to him,
Speaker 8: and I'm not really sold on Ellis. You know, Gibson's gone,
Speaker 8: and I actually really liked Gibson for what they asked
Speaker 8: him to do. kJ Britt, you know, kind of feels
Speaker 8: like an upgrade over Gibson a little, and you know,
Speaker 8: I never really thought to buy was was what we needed.
Speaker 8: He was a liability and coverage. All signs point towards
Speaker 8: the Missouri kid. We'll see if he's there when when
Speaker 8: we're up. I kind of like the Byu kid. But
Speaker 8: you know, are they starters or do we have to
Speaker 8: look to free agency, and you know, Matt Milano's still
Speaker 8: out there, maybe a veteran incentive laden deal. We can
Speaker 8: cut him if it doesn't work type of thing. You know,
Speaker 8: what are we doing in linebacker here?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Okay, lineback? Is it getting harder and harder to
Speaker 2: find good line Well?
Speaker 4: I would just say that the position itself as a
Speaker 4: whole has been devalued. And when we talked to Elliott
Speaker 4: Well before the draft and the pre draft press conference,
Speaker 4: he highlighted Day three as a sweet spot in this
Speaker 4: particular class for linebackers. So they have five more picks
Speaker 4: to make today and I fully expect one of them
Speaker 4: at least to be a linebacker. Now, maybe it's not
Speaker 4: the value that the caller is looking for in terms
Speaker 4: of immediate impact and all that kind of stuff, but
Speaker 4: you know, I think that they're looking for linebackers today,
Speaker 4: and I'm sure even at one seventy one they might
Speaker 4: end up coming out with a linebacker at that bit.
Speaker 5: I totally hear the call, though, I mean, it's a
Speaker 5: concern of mine. There's only so much you can do
Speaker 5: in the draft. There's only so many, you know, talented
Speaker 5: pieces that you can get. But you know, if Spain
Speaker 5: r Ellis gets hurt. And I mean I like Ellis,
Speaker 5: I don't. I'm not in love with Elis. I think
Speaker 5: he's okay to holdover. I mean, they wanted to keep
Speaker 5: him and he had moments, yeah, but I think ultimately
Speaker 5: he's not the kind of game changer, you know, and
Speaker 5: Speling's a little older, and it's just when you look
Speaker 5: at that, it could be an achilles heel form given
Speaker 5: it snaps in a reserve role last year.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure. kJ Britt. You know, we'll find out.
Speaker 3: I don't know much about I'm not saying that he's
Speaker 3: not that, but I'm not He hasn't played that much defense,
Speaker 3: so maybe he can come in and do exactly what
Speaker 3: Gibbons did or more, and then at least.
Speaker 5: You have some depth there.
Speaker 3: But I would be surprised if they didn't find, you know,
Speaker 3: another piece. What are the guys I mean, but a
Speaker 3: kid that got hurt at l s U. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: just I wouldn't be opposed to taking a flyer on that.
Speaker 4: I'm lying. I I don't like I'm kind of probably
Speaker 4: say this all the time about other positions. I do
Speaker 4: linebacker on your own time, Well.
Speaker 3: That's like you say, this whole thing with like the
Speaker 3: position's been devalued. Just go right down to like how
Speaker 3: many are on the field. Like when when I started,
Speaker 3: when I started doing this, they had four linebackers on
Speaker 3: the field at all times. Now that you're lucky if
Speaker 3: there's more than two, right, I mean, you need in
Speaker 3: my opinion, you need three linebacks. You want one guy
Speaker 3: like Robert Spulaane who's kind of your anchor at that position.
Speaker 3: You're going to play some standard nickels, so you're going
Speaker 3: to have a second linebacker like Ellis playing next to him.
Speaker 4: And then you want a super sub like Jack Gibbons.
Speaker 4: But even Jack Gibbons was like a spot starter and
Speaker 4: really and a special teamer.
Speaker 3: Like that is going to have to be a special team, right.
Speaker 4: And so like that that role in itself is also
Speaker 4: you know, ninety percent kicking game anyways, you know the
Speaker 4: sideline the sideline linebacker thing, like on third down, they're
Speaker 4: they're going to put an extra defensive back on the
Speaker 4: field and you're not going to have that guy in coverage.
Speaker 3: Like I know what we concerned I would have is
Speaker 3: because Robert Sperlane plays so many plays if something were
Speaker 3: to happen you lost him, Yeah.
Speaker 2: On the stretch last year made a difference, and.
Speaker 3: I and I do think, you know, I do think
Speaker 3: Gibbons did a good job of filling in for him,
Speaker 3: and I, you know, I don't know that they have
Speaker 3: the ability to do that. Yeah, now, you know, maybe
Speaker 3: they do. Maybe Britain is that maybe Christian Ellis is
Speaker 3: a little bit better this year and second year or
Speaker 3: this system.
Speaker 4: I still think some of the linebackers that are available
Speaker 4: can play. You know, I think, like I said earlier,
Speaker 4: this this class was touted as this is the sweet
Speaker 4: spot for the linebackers. And that doesn't mean I'm not
Speaker 4: saying that as in like they're all it was a
Speaker 4: bad year for linebackers. Actually a really deep year for linebackers.
Speaker 4: It just you know, they they a lot of them
Speaker 4: happened to grade out in like this fourth or fifth
Speaker 4: round range. So I still think that there's a lot
Speaker 4: of options of guys that they could get that could
Speaker 4: at least be that third guy like Jack Gibbons was.
Speaker 4: Maybe he's not going to replace Robert Spuline. Maybe they're
Speaker 4: they're not doing that quite yet, But I think there's
Speaker 4: like four or five guys that you know, I thought
Speaker 4: were solid players.
Speaker 5: I wonder about the tavaiavit all too, because he never
Speaker 5: really seemed to fit entirely what they did. They found
Speaker 5: a role for him kind of as a stand up
Speaker 5: strong side guy. I mean, they'll stand up Landry, you know,
Speaker 5: I'm sure they'll stand up Draymond Jones to make that
Speaker 5: third linebacker. But there's no obvious third linebacker right now.
Speaker 5: I mean, I feel like Britt is more inside kind
Speaker 5: of a guy. Do they even want that position? But
Speaker 5: I just I think back two years ago, I thought
Speaker 5: that was kind of the poster child for when you
Speaker 5: don't have linebackers who can get off blocks or get
Speaker 5: around blocks and make plays, and teams are just grinding
Speaker 5: you to death. And you paid. You pointed out when
Speaker 5: Spolen got hurt like twice, and it was weird.
Speaker 3: And that year that you're talking about two years ago,
Speaker 3: they were terrible.
Speaker 5: Bentley got hurt.
Speaker 3: Bentley got hurt, right, yep, And all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: that right, and I'm saying, and if something were to
Speaker 3: happen to Splaine, I'm not sure that you'd just be okay,
Speaker 3: I mean, right, no, me neither.
Speaker 5: I mean, he just talks so much about how he
Speaker 5: makes everybody right and he's the communicator, and I mean,
Speaker 5: don't even talk about the energy that he brings.
Speaker 4: But but where were they going to Like, if they
Speaker 4: were going to do that, they would have had to
Speaker 4: have done it last night.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and one of you guys, one of you guys
Speaker 3: made the point, like you can't just do everything right now.
Speaker 2: I was listening to one of your shows this morning, Paul,
Speaker 2: and this is my show, and the kid was, you know,
Speaker 2: talking about tackle, saying, you know, he wasn't crazy about
Speaker 2: the pick. But you know, last year they went into
Speaker 2: the season with no plan. The ste this is the
Speaker 2: achilles heel this team. They they don't have a plan.
Speaker 2: And as if, like every year you can address every need,
Speaker 2: you just can't.
Speaker 4: So I'm curious about this. What did he.
Speaker 2: Mean, like a plan for tackle?
Speaker 5: The plan?
Speaker 3: The plan this year was as plan as the nose
Speaker 3: in your face. The plan in the draft. Havevn't said
Speaker 3: it right at the top of the show. I mean,
Speaker 3: you ask any Patriots fan what their top three needs were,
Speaker 3: and in some order, it was tackle, edge, tight end. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: those are the three needs. You know, everybody kind of
Speaker 3: assumed they were going to get a J.
Speaker 4: Brown. So it was.
Speaker 3: Tackle edge tight end and they did it like that's
Speaker 3: not a plan.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going.
Speaker 3: To push back on that a little bit. Who said
Speaker 3: that who should.
Speaker 4: I should I be mad?
Speaker 2: Was with Megan Odalini.
Speaker 5: He's planted his flag in. I hate this draft.
Speaker 3: It's not my station, especially after what they did to
Speaker 3: my boy.
Speaker 5: That's true and my boy.
Speaker 4: So just looking at the linebackers yesterday, because there was
Speaker 4: a gap in linebackers, they a bunch of them went
Speaker 4: in the second round and then none until today in
Speaker 4: the fourth round. So the Patriots took Acis at fifty five,
Speaker 4: Anthony Hill Junior went at sixty, and there wasn't another
Speaker 4: linebacker taken until the fourth round, So you know, there
Speaker 4: was obviously a drop off there. You know, C J. Allen,
Speaker 4: Anthony Hill Junior, Gold Day. They all went in the
Speaker 4: second round last night, Trotter.
Speaker 3: So you've seen a lot of these names go off
Speaker 3: today too, Like you know, keishaan Elliott, I saw you.
Speaker 2: Was it Eliam?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I think Kishan Elliott still available?
Speaker 3: Thatcher went he is I think I thought I saw
Speaker 3: him go.
Speaker 4: No, you saw Kyle Lewis go. Maybe right now, so
Speaker 4: far Elims or Kendall Daniels, Betcher Lewis, and Justin Jefferson
Speaker 4: have been drafted at linebacker. But we went from pick
Speaker 4: twenty six or excuse me, pick yeah twenty eight in
Speaker 4: the second round.
Speaker 3: Reckon dudes, what great great highlight tape he had. Evan
Speaker 3: was giggling, Oh you see that, He's like giggling. It
Speaker 3: was like Kean was saying, it's about time you watch
Speaker 3: some of these guys.
Speaker 5: Seriously, Well, you do us some of them sometime. You
Speaker 5: watch these six round picks, right, I mean.
Speaker 4: Would you so you had to address that need at linebacker,
Speaker 4: and like we all agreed to really addressed address the need, right,
Speaker 4: you would have had to have done it at fifty
Speaker 4: five last night, and like who would you have rather had,
Speaker 4: you know, an off ball linebacker or ais?
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, you're totally right, And that's you know, this
Speaker 5: is what you have to choose. You have to make
Speaker 5: a choice. And there is a little more pressure on
Speaker 5: Splaine and Elis to be better.
Speaker 3: And I'm not looking to draft a guy. This is
Speaker 3: kind of back to our larger point about what's your
Speaker 3: favorite round of the job. I'm not looking for a guy, right,
Speaker 3: now that can replace Robert Splaine. Yeah, right now. But
Speaker 3: it's kind of like what they did with Lomu. I'm
Speaker 3: looking for a guy who I think might have the
Speaker 3: potential to someday step into a role like that, But
Speaker 3: this year I'm going to ask him to be a
Speaker 3: core four special team right and provide some depth in
Speaker 3: case someone gets banged up. Yep, I'm not asking someone
Speaker 3: to go out. I'm not. I'm not drafting someone on
Speaker 3: day three that I'm going to ask to replace Robert
Speaker 3: Splaine day one. I don't think Robert Splaine, when he
Speaker 3: was drafted or when he came into the league was
Speaker 3: capable of doing that.
Speaker 4: It's just interesting to me, you know, you mentioned the
Speaker 4: special teams element because I think some of you know,
Speaker 4: these linebackers, like my Guyden Fisher is more of like
Speaker 4: he wins with his brain, right, like he's winning with instincts,
Speaker 4: He's winning with feel. I don't know if he has
Speaker 4: the athleticism necessarily to be like a great player in
Speaker 4: the kicking game. But then other guys that are great
Speaker 4: athletes might not have his instincts, but they have the
Speaker 4: athleticism to play in the kicking game. So if you're
Speaker 4: kind of dead set on the guy that you draft
Speaker 4: being somebody that plays you know, is like a Core
Speaker 4: four special team or like, you know, that might be
Speaker 4: a little bit of a different type of player than
Speaker 4: someone that you're projecting is gonna play on defense. So
Speaker 4: it'd be interesting to see how they kind of split
Speaker 4: that because I don't know if Fisher has as the
Speaker 4: Jack Kelly from b YU who some people like Kayshaun
Speaker 4: Elliott might have it, you know, I don't know if
Speaker 4: they have the athleticism to go out there and play
Speaker 4: in space like that in the kicking game.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, I grew up in the days of
Speaker 2: you know, Willie Lanier and Jack Lambert and you know
Speaker 2: even Andre Tippett and and Steve Nelson's Lawrence Taylor. They
Speaker 2: were linebackers, you know.
Speaker 3: Okay, so those guys are Andre Tippett and Lawrence Taylor
Speaker 3: are now like Miles Garrett, like, you don't call them linebackers.
Speaker 2: But back then they were linebackers.
Speaker 3: Right, But they were pass rushers. They would stand up
Speaker 3: edge rushers. Now they now, both of those guys could cover,
Speaker 3: but that's not what they made their living doing. Those
Speaker 3: guys were really edge rushers, the Jack Lambert's and the
Speaker 3: William Laniers that you're talking about. This is Evans Lament.
Speaker 3: There's not they don't have those linebackers now that you know,
Speaker 3: like Ted Johnson, you know just couda come up and
Speaker 3: fill the gap, take on the you know, yeah, take
Speaker 3: take on the blocks and fill gaps. And it's it's
Speaker 3: more you need sideline to sideline, three down guys who
Speaker 3: can cover a little bit tackle the athletes to be
Speaker 3: able to match up with some of these running backs
Speaker 3: that are so prevalent now in the passing game.
Speaker 4: It's hard, hard position.
Speaker 2: Ray Lewis was sort of like the last of the
Speaker 2: breed where he could thump, he could cover, he could
Speaker 2: go sidelines to sideline, he could do it all.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, I just you know, for me, like linebackers,
Speaker 4: like I want my linebackers going forward if the guys
Speaker 4: that are covering, like what, let's get the dbs to cover, right,
Speaker 4: like the guys. I don't want my linebackers being in
Speaker 4: high stress coverage situations like if it's third down, I'm
Speaker 4: taking that linebacker off the field. Maybe, Like you have
Speaker 4: one linebacker, you know, splain would that's what it is?
Speaker 3: One guy. Yeah, and but he would blitz like he
Speaker 3: would have and it's basically just in case they run.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, like he would play. He would blitz or
Speaker 4: he'd mirror or or you know whatever. He wouldn't be
Speaker 4: like covering somebody you know, one on one too often.
Speaker 4: So I I think I feel like that has also
Speaker 4: kind of played role. You know, teams are playing so
Speaker 4: much nickel and dime defense now that you don't even
Speaker 4: really need the guys you know that can match up
Speaker 4: on running backs like that. I think that's even getting
Speaker 4: a little bit more extinct too.
Speaker 2: Do you think we'll ever see the cycle kind of
Speaker 2: go back to needing those types of linebackers.
Speaker 4: I think, in my opinion, it's going back to the
Speaker 4: guys that can take on blocks like because you're trying
Speaker 4: to stop the run out of these lighter boxes and
Speaker 4: if you don't have guys that can come downhill and
Speaker 4: fill and basically count as extra defensive linemen to take
Speaker 4: back gaps, then it gets really really difficult. So I
Speaker 4: actually think that in a lot of cases now you
Speaker 4: can beat two hundred and twenty five pounds in fill
Speaker 4: a gap. You just do it with speed to power
Speaker 4: instead of just like raw size. But you know we
Speaker 4: saw it like Josiah Trotter went last night really really early.
Speaker 4: Like that's because he is a really, really good run
Speaker 4: defending linebacker. Like he's not a coverage player, you know,
Speaker 4: he's a really good run defender. I think some of
Speaker 4: these teams are looking at it and saying, you know,
Speaker 4: we're going to play a six man bob, So our
Speaker 4: mic is going to have to be able to compress space.
Speaker 4: They're gonna have to take on blocks, They're going to
Speaker 4: have to be able to make plays against the run.
Speaker 4: You know, let the safeties cover people, let the corners
Speaker 4: cover people. You know, this guy's going to go downhill.
Speaker 2: All right? Eight five to five pass five hundred is
Speaker 2: the hotline. Let's go to Sean and Vancouver. What's up Sean.
Speaker 9: He's like a few things, you know. Joe Kim believed
Speaker 9: that Gay Bachis would be a Patriot. How much of
Speaker 9: the New England Patriots connection worked the other way to
Speaker 9: convince the Paths. Also, safety Jalen Kilgar seems to be
Speaker 9: falling a bit. What do you think of him as
Speaker 9: a Patriot if he's still available? Last thing, what do
Speaker 9: you think about nose tackle Tim Keenan the third. Could
Speaker 9: he be a tong replacement. I'll let you go on that.
Speaker 5: He's the comp. He was the comp and in NFL
Speaker 5: dot Com. Yeah, I think. I mean I'd probably if
Speaker 5: I had to bet right now, I might roll the
Speaker 5: dice on those tackle at this spot coming up.
Speaker 4: I think the Godfather is still out there too, Timmy Keenan.
Speaker 4: When I watched him, was I mean, there's no pass
Speaker 4: rush there, Dad died. He is a situational He's gonna
Speaker 4: play on first down, He's gonna play on short yardage,
Speaker 4: goal line. He's not going to play at all in
Speaker 4: passing situations. So I I you know, I think Dane
Speaker 4: had him like a late Day three pick just because
Speaker 4: of how you know, small over role he's gonna play.
Speaker 4: Kilgore I think is falling because he's kind of like
Speaker 4: a specialized like he's a nickel. I think he's gonna
Speaker 4: play in the slot. But I you can want you
Speaker 4: need to have a role for that, Like if you
Speaker 4: don't want to play a big nickel like that, then
Speaker 4: you know there's a lot of teams that that just
Speaker 4: rules out that kind of player altogether.
Speaker 2: All Right, Connor wants to know do you think the
Speaker 2: Patriots would have taken Eli Raridan regardless, or do you
Speaker 2: think Chris Bell was the pick if the Dolphins didn't
Speaker 2: snag him one pick earlier.
Speaker 5: I'd go question. I mean, I'd lean with what they did.
Speaker 5: I just tight ends a bigger need. It's a position
Speaker 5: we talked about. We're assuming A. J. Brown is going
Speaker 5: to be coming in. That's the way I would lean in.
Speaker 5: And Paul's thing Bell was, you know, maybe you're gonna
Speaker 5: have to store him for a little while. Maybe east
Speaker 5: he opens up on pup. But yeah, I'm interested to
Speaker 5: know how they viewed this whole tight end class. I mean,
Speaker 5: we'll never know, but there were a lot of good
Speaker 5: a lot of good players. But I'm excited about Ard
Speaker 5: and I. It's funny you go back and you look
Speaker 5: at your notes and I'm like, yeah, I really like
Speaker 5: this kid. Why was I not really on him as much?
Speaker 5: And you know, it just kind of happens when you're
Speaker 5: sifting through all these guys. But now it's just thinking
Speaker 5: about it last night, getting to see him on the
Speaker 5: field with the link that he has, it's gonna be intriguing.
Speaker 5: You know, see how Drake responds to that just so much.
Speaker 5: I mean out of the gate in training camp, you
Speaker 5: felt like, now he likes Matt Collins, like he's throwing
Speaker 5: the ball to Matt Collins a lot. And I and
Speaker 5: I was talking about Brian. I was talking to Brian
Speaker 5: Horror today about it. I just said, you know, is
Speaker 5: there did you have types of receivers that you struggled
Speaker 5: to build chemistry with because they were smaller? And I
Speaker 5: forget the name of the receiver he told me about,
Speaker 5: but he said that, yes, he.
Speaker 2: Was wanted like children from Cleveland.
Speaker 4: Day's not a Patriot guy.
Speaker 5: It's like a Cleveland guy. It was like a Cleveland guy.
Speaker 5: But he said, you know in the receiver said it
Speaker 5: it's so hard because you can't see me and I
Speaker 5: can't see you.
Speaker 4: And he was like, you know, when he catched the ball,
Speaker 4: it'd be like whoa.
Speaker 5: You know, you wouldn't see it until it's right here,
Speaker 5: you know. So I and and it's just a general
Speaker 5: Drake thing. I think he just likes seeing those targets.
Speaker 5: I mean, Drake's got good size, he doesn't have a
Speaker 5: problem scanning the field. But I'm excited that I think
Speaker 5: rare And is going to fit exactly that kind of
Speaker 5: mold that that Drake likes to throw.
Speaker 4: Tom Yeah, it's interesting the I don't feel like fans,
Speaker 4: you know, think about sometimes you just can't see the guy,
Speaker 4: like so it's easy, like when you watch it from
Speaker 4: like a bird's eye view and it's like, oh, this
Speaker 4: guy's open, right, but like the screen cap, but like
Speaker 4: some guys you know, there's yeah, or like the lineman
Speaker 4: flash in front of his face, or like a guy
Speaker 4: kind of hides and it's actually his skill as a
Speaker 4: receiver to like if he can't see you, then you
Speaker 4: can't see him, right, So like the receivers are supposed
Speaker 4: to know that if I can't make eye contact with
Speaker 4: the quarterback right now and he can't see me, so
Speaker 4: I need to move, Like I'm not in a good
Speaker 4: place with that. So it's funny how that happens. Sometimes.
Speaker 4: There was one I can't remember exactly what play it was,
Speaker 4: but there was one play last year of the year
Speaker 4: before where Drake missed a guy open over the middle
Speaker 4: of the field and he's like, honestly, I couldn't see him.
Speaker 2: A lot of guys, not a lot, but you see
Speaker 2: some guys regardless of the color of their uniforms, they
Speaker 2: wear those bright yellow receiving gloves.
Speaker 4: Yeah, do you think.
Speaker 2: That has anything to do with Maybe that flashes and
Speaker 2: my quarterback sees it a little better.
Speaker 4: Maybe I remember Edelman. Edelman talked about how Bill would
Speaker 4: have them wear receiver gloves if they were the same
Speaker 4: color as the jersey of the opponent, right, so that
Speaker 4: the whole for holding, so that they couldn't see where
Speaker 4: their hands. The refs couldn't see the hands as well
Speaker 4: on the jerseys, so they would like camouflage into the jersey.
Speaker 5: So you can't wear teal gloves against the Dolphins on
Speaker 5: the Patriots.
Speaker 4: So they just have like a bunch of different colored
Speaker 4: gloves and like if they're playing a team with like
Speaker 4: dark colored jur they put the black gloves on, and
Speaker 4: like jerseys, they put the white gloves on. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I told him that I just hate when they weigh
Speaker 3: the yellow gloves because he always looks like a flag.
Speaker 3: Yeah you're watching TV, you know, like, oh, it's a flag, right, No,
Speaker 3: it's just a glove.
Speaker 2: Eddie and la fun draft so far, I personally would
Speaker 2: have liked howl over August. I want to say yakis,
Speaker 2: but I know it's ocus achus, but I see the
Speaker 2: potential with Akis, so I can't keep playing. Uh So,
Speaker 2: say Campbell isn't suited for a left tackle, would it
Speaker 2: be smart to try him at right tackle and then
Speaker 2: guard or would you move him straight to guard and
Speaker 2: try Lamu Lamou at left tackle? Just some thoughts and
Speaker 2: how you would go about fixing the line if things
Speaker 2: don't work out.
Speaker 5: I mean, I just whatever you do, I don't want
Speaker 5: to weaken two spots at once. So you know, if
Speaker 5: you're a Tucker is in the left guard spot and
Speaker 5: he's playing well.
Speaker 4: Then where he's very Tucker going. If you're right Campbell
Speaker 4: left guard and it's very Tucker going to right guard,
Speaker 4: I guess, and then maybe on when he was out,
Speaker 4: And like, I.
Speaker 5: Mean, we're just possible.
Speaker 3: I think that the larger rather than worrying about sides
Speaker 3: is would you try Campbell at right tackle before you
Speaker 3: tried to move them to guard?
Speaker 4: I'm going to play with Will Campbell at left tackle? No, no, no,
Speaker 4: this hype efect.
Speaker 2: You need to I don't like.
Speaker 3: No, I don't need I don't know why we have
Speaker 3: to entertain this like this, this whole I'm gonna I
Speaker 3: want to explore this further during the course of the
Speaker 3: off season around the room a little this utter refusal,
Speaker 3: like I don't care who plays left tackle as long
Speaker 3: as they're the best left tackle on the team.
Speaker 4: I think he's the best left tackle on the team.
Speaker 4: I understand that That's not what I'm not saying.
Speaker 3: It's trying to suggest that low moom is better at
Speaker 3: left tackle than Will Campbell. So then where what would
Speaker 3: you do with Will Campbell in that case?
Speaker 5: Would you to me that is.
Speaker 4: Just hypotheticals, Like we're just making things up, right, So why.
Speaker 3: Like, because it's a possibility. That's why, I mean a possibility.
Speaker 3: That's why you create competition on your roster so you
Speaker 3: see the best player is can we see.
Speaker 4: The guy play in pads in an NFL practice before
Speaker 4: we start saying if that is happening, if you.
Speaker 3: Like, you need to open your mind a little bit,
Speaker 3: like no one said this is happening.
Speaker 5: Okay, but we don't know.
Speaker 3: In an emailer has I think a very legitimate question,
Speaker 3: would you just automatically I'm.
Speaker 4: Not trying to guard I just feel like.
Speaker 2: We just don't want to entertain it, right.
Speaker 3: It's like, because everybody likes the guy, I love the
Speaker 3: kid too. No, he's not talking to my wife at
Speaker 3: the welcome party. I thought it was great.
Speaker 5: I love somebody as good.
Speaker 2: As you know, Like somebody tells Evan, you know somebody
Speaker 2: in your family could get sick. No they can't. I'm
Speaker 2: just not gonna like that.
Speaker 3: Where no one wants to even bring up the possibility
Speaker 3: that I hear it, because like it just I'm not whatever.
Speaker 4: I I just like we're talking about because we're talking
Speaker 4: about a guy that played at a really high level
Speaker 4: I think at that position for fourteen weeks. Then he
Speaker 4: tore his mcut and then you don't think that. I mean,
Speaker 4: he had one bad game against Miles Garrett. Are we
Speaker 4: gonna We're gonna, We're gonna.
Speaker 5: Bras the game. I mean, like I think there was
Speaker 5: a lot of like really late pressure.
Speaker 3: I mean I know that the set, Like you just
Speaker 3: look at the sack total at the end of that
Speaker 3: game and it looks like you got killed. I don't
Speaker 3: really think he got killed that game. I know we
Speaker 3: gave up five sacks, but.
Speaker 4: A couple of them were well out of the.
Speaker 3: Pocket, and Miles Garret is just a superior athlete and
Speaker 3: ran them down.
Speaker 5: But I would I.
Speaker 4: Think that he can. We just think he's give it
Speaker 4: some time before we broach the subject, like let's watch
Speaker 4: the season unfold away.
Speaker 3: I just don't understand now that we have to get time.
Speaker 2: I hear you, Evan. I'm, like I've said many times,
Speaker 2: I'm team Campbell. However, they just drafted a guy who
Speaker 2: all he's played is left tackle.
Speaker 3: That's kind of why Evan doesn't really love to pick.
Speaker 10: You know.
Speaker 2: And and so you know it's right, like yeah, and
Speaker 2: some people think that, yeah, Will Campbell played at a
Speaker 2: very high level against the lesser competition in the league,
Speaker 2: and when you know, things got a little bit more
Speaker 2: heated later on, you didn't do well. Now, a lot
Speaker 2: of that could been the injury. I give you that,
Speaker 2: But people are just you know what if so.
Speaker 4: You're thinking about this all wrong about what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: like has nothing to do with that. I like the guy, Okay,
Speaker 4: this is about let's move this guy over here, and
Speaker 4: let's move that guy over there, and then you know,
Speaker 4: like that's just magically going to make them all better.
Speaker 4: Well you know, but but no, But the thing that
Speaker 4: I'm saying is is that moving Will Campbell inside to
Speaker 4: guard or flipping him to right tackle. There's no guarantee
Speaker 4: that he's a better left guard or right tackle than
Speaker 4: he is a left tackle. True, and actually in reality
Speaker 4: it's like a lot harder than people are giving it,
Speaker 4: like credence for it.
Speaker 2: That's an even darker it could be. But but on
Speaker 2: the other hand, if he's not doing well at left tackle,
Speaker 2: you don't want to just scuttle him. You want to
Speaker 2: find a place for him because you think he's a
Speaker 2: good football player.
Speaker 4: Okay, but you're we're all just assuming that ince same
Speaker 4: thing with Loomb But we're all just assuming he can
Speaker 4: play right No, assuming that Will is gonna be want
Speaker 4: the left guard and he's gonna.
Speaker 3: Be I won a great a fairness of the other
Speaker 3: night when they picked Lomu. I had said to Mike, like, well,
Speaker 3: what if he can't do that? Like, I don't know
Speaker 3: what Lomu is. Guy's never played an NFL game, ain't right,
Speaker 3: So like this might be a completely moved point, But I.
Speaker 5: Just I just can I answer it? Yeah, I'll just
Speaker 5: say I would wait till twenty twenty seven, and if
Speaker 5: it happened, I would let one you walk and I
Speaker 5: would slide verit. Tucker to right guard, and I would
Speaker 5: put Will Campbell at left guard.
Speaker 3: That to me not in favor of that. I think
Speaker 3: that's a lot of moving parts.
Speaker 4: Well, Ver Tucker's played right guard, he has played right guard. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I know, it's just a lot of moving parts.
Speaker 5: He's a left left guard, Will Campbell be I think
Speaker 5: that that probably would be where it would be. But
Speaker 5: I don't see the need to do it this year,
Speaker 5: you know, I I mean, I think about injury in that.
Speaker 5: But in that scenario, who plays right tackle? Morgan Moses.
Speaker 2: Could probably find it.
Speaker 5: Right soon to be desired a third straight year of
Speaker 5: a the third straight year of a tackle.
Speaker 3: He can't Spaah Tucker at right guard? Who plays right tackle?
Speaker 3: What I said, they don't have one who's on third.
Speaker 3: But I think that's what the crux of the thing is.
Speaker 3: I understand Evan's point. He doesn't necessarily want to get
Speaker 3: bogged down on hypotheticals. And this is typical of my shows.
Speaker 3: This is a typical my show hypothetical. I grant you that,
Speaker 3: But if that were to happen, if you felt like Lomu,
Speaker 3: Let's say, Lomu is really good, but is one of
Speaker 3: those guys that Belichick and Dante have talked about he's
Speaker 3: not comfortable on the right side and he's really good.
Speaker 3: Maybe Campbell is comfortable moving, so maybe Campbell's fine, but
Speaker 3: he has more of an ability to play right tackle
Speaker 3: than Lomu does. Maybe maybe he's just a natural switch.
Speaker 3: So that's a positive way to look at now, yet
Speaker 3: to really good tackles, to just fix the whole thing,
Speaker 3: well Campbell thing that That is what happened at Utah.
Speaker 3: Spencer Finol came to Utah with Lomu, and the Utah
Speaker 3: coaching staff said, we think Lomu can only play the
Speaker 3: left side, and so we're going to ask Spencer Fane,
Speaker 3: who's actually was drafted higher.
Speaker 4: He's the first tackle. Yeah, and some people think was,
Speaker 4: you know, the better player. We're actually going to ask
Speaker 4: him to play on the right side, which is unconventional
Speaker 4: because Lomu is really a left tackle only player. And
Speaker 4: so that for that reason was a big reason why
Speaker 4: I wrote off Lomu as somebody.
Speaker 3: They were just also similar to Missouri. Last year you
Speaker 3: had Arman membu Yah was the first round pick right tackle.
Speaker 3: In our own Marcus Bryant was the seventh round pick
Speaker 3: left tackle. Now, obviously there's a much closer gap between
Speaker 3: the two Utah guys. They were both first round talents
Speaker 3: and first round picks. But it was the same kind
Speaker 3: of thing. When I talked to the Missouri line coach,
Speaker 3: they went out and got Marcus Bryant, I believe from
Speaker 3: SMU from the memory correctly, and they plugged him right
Speaker 3: in on the left side because they thought Membu was
Speaker 3: more comfortable where he was and they didn't want to
Speaker 3: disrupt that.
Speaker 2: I want to go back to Evan's story about Lomu
Speaker 2: at Utah and Fino, So if that's the case, they
Speaker 2: didn't think he could play on the right side. Do
Speaker 2: you think the Patriots you know about that story. I
Speaker 2: would think the Patriots scouting would know about that story
Speaker 2: too and have talked to them about that. And maybe
Speaker 2: in the years since, you know now, do you think
Speaker 2: he could play right time?
Speaker 7: You think so they've talked about that with Utah probably,
Speaker 7: And look, that was just you know, one person's interpretation
Speaker 7: of you know what happened, you know what was what
Speaker 7: was being talked about.
Speaker 2: But they.
Speaker 4: They felt like Finoa was more comfortable switching, so they switched. Fine,
Speaker 4: The Patriots said after the draft on Thursday night that
Speaker 4: he took past sets at right tackle at his pro
Speaker 4: day and looked pretty good getting in out of his
Speaker 4: stance at right tackle. Because everything's flipped right, you're not
Speaker 4: just your hands but also your feet, so you know,
Speaker 4: the foot that you're kicking out of your stance with
Speaker 4: is now the opposite foot. So they said that, you know,
Speaker 4: he looked pretty comfortable doing it. He's played thirty two
Speaker 4: snaps in his entire collegiate career on the right side.
Speaker 4: It's not even a full game, so we haven't really
Speaker 4: seen him do it yet.
Speaker 5: You know, he didn't do it at a.
Speaker 4: College All Star game that I'm aware of, Like, so
Speaker 4: he really hasn't done it in pads yet. So we'll see,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 2: I'm just wondering the people at Utah who know him
Speaker 2: the best, say the stuff that we saw that we
Speaker 2: thought would keep him being able to play right tackle
Speaker 2: back then, he's improved on those things and now it's
Speaker 2: it's different now we think he could probably make that transition. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I hope, So, I mean I hope that's the case.
Speaker 4: And you know, look, maybe maybe we end up getting
Speaker 4: into a place where it's will Campbell, that's switching because
Speaker 4: he's more comfortable switching. I don't know, I just I
Speaker 4: keep going back to, you know, the things that I've
Speaker 4: been told about offensive line play, and everybody thinks that
Speaker 4: it's just so easy to play musical chairs on the
Speaker 4: offensive line. We're just gonna move this guy on this
Speaker 4: side to that side, and that side to this side,
Speaker 4: and he's going to go inside and that guy's gonna
Speaker 4: go outside. And like all the line coaches that I've
Speaker 4: ever talked to say, no, you can't do it like that.
Speaker 4: And you know, that was a big thing that you know,
Speaker 4: Dante Scarnekia used to say, was like they used to
Speaker 4: just do one for one substitutions because they wanted to
Speaker 4: just instead of weakening two spots, they were just weaken
Speaker 4: one with the backup going in right directly for that spot.
Speaker 4: That's how you get, you know, the Jordan Devies, you know,
Speaker 4: starting games for the Patriots. So like, you know, I
Speaker 4: just that's why I get annoyed by the question, not
Speaker 4: because of the Will Campbell piece of it. It's the assumption,
Speaker 4: you know, we're just going to be able to move
Speaker 4: everybody around and it's gonna end up being better than
Speaker 4: it was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is good.
Speaker 5: I just I think it's worth pointing out to that
Speaker 5: Utah ran a run first offense. So I don't know
Speaker 5: that the left tackle right tackle thing in the traditional
Speaker 5: sense of the way that we're thinking about it is
Speaker 5: exactly applicable to how they were playing. So there might
Speaker 5: be some nuance there where you know, there are po
Speaker 5: heavy team like, I don't know, it's not the traditional
Speaker 5: drop back passing where you know what I mean, there
Speaker 5: might be some more nuance to that decision than being
Speaker 5: so simple as.
Speaker 3: He's better on the left. But I think that the
Speaker 3: I mean, again, I say this all the time. I'm
Speaker 3: not an offensive line expert, but to me, the the
Speaker 3: change is the difficulty in going from left to right
Speaker 3: is really less to do with the style of offenses.
Speaker 3: Is everything is backwards, so whether you're run blocking or
Speaker 3: pass blocking, you're doing it from the opposite side.
Speaker 5: Like so yeah, basically.
Speaker 3: You're there's just not you know what I mean, is
Speaker 3: kind of mirrored.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean this is I mean, I'm thinking off
Speaker 5: the top of my head here though, But you know,
Speaker 5: is it easier as a run blocker where I'm mostly
Speaker 5: just coming off and going off to my right rather
Speaker 5: than your kick stepping back to the right side and
Speaker 5: trying to you know, get you know what I mean
Speaker 5: past block guys like I am. I'm not saying that
Speaker 5: it's a total difference. There just might be some nuance in.
Speaker 4: There with it.
Speaker 2: All right, it's three o'clock. We're on about the one
Speaker 2: hundred and sixty fourth pick. Patriots are sitting at the
Speaker 2: one hundred and seventy first pick. So let's take up
Speaker 2: right when we come back, it'll be that much closer
Speaker 2: to when the Patriots make their fifth round pick. We'll
Speaker 2: be right now.
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Speaker 1: Dy Welcome back to the twenty twenty sixth Patriots on
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Speaker 4: These guys that have been picniced and are so like
Speaker 4: Abney happy.
Speaker 5: For I know they were back.
Speaker 2: Oh we are back.
Speaker 3: I know the running back from Penn State.
Speaker 2: Just crossing off another back of the envelope. Guy Tanner
Speaker 2: Cozy from Houston.
Speaker 5: It was like a six foot seven middles cooler, Like
Speaker 5: he just had such a baby face, but he was
Speaker 5: a giant dude. And he's behind the podium at the
Speaker 5: combine and I was like, Oh, who's this guy? And
Speaker 5: then he like stepped down and like, oh my god,
Speaker 5: he's a huge kid.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Remind me of a lot of Mike Sicky. Like
Speaker 4: good receiving, tight end, great hands, great intested catchability, not
Speaker 4: a blocker, all right.
Speaker 2: Penn State took Nicholas Singleton running back.
Speaker 4: Tennessee took Nicholas Sington from Tennessee. Draft players.
Speaker 2: Right popped in nicol Penn State got taken by Tennessee.
Speaker 2: Uh so the Bears are on the clock.
Speaker 4: Those guys back to back.
Speaker 3: For about four picks away at this point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, back to back picks coming up. So I wonder
Speaker 2: what bill.
Speaker 3: Does Bills are in the fifth round. They had two
Speaker 3: picks earlier.
Speaker 4: In the round two, fourth round they got work around Patriots.
Speaker 4: They had back to back fourth round picks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, big Day three team.
Speaker 4: They took Skylar Bell with the Patriots. Skyline picked Patriots trader.
Speaker 2: This is a humane draft for the Bills. This is
Speaker 2: the beginning of their new era.
Speaker 5: Oh Fred is the we're opening the window.
Speaker 2: At the new stadium, you know, new right.
Speaker 4: It is interesting that obviously he's a he's you know,
Speaker 4: was their offensive coordinator, but they have a new defensive coordinator,
Speaker 4: Jim Leonard, and like the system is, you know, defensively,
Speaker 4: looks like it's going to change pretty significantly. Like I
Speaker 4: don't think t. J. Parker would have been their type
Speaker 4: of guy in a four to three and like their
Speaker 4: old type of system. So it's interesting to see what
Speaker 4: Buffalo is, you know, transitioning to these days. Kesehawn Elliott
Speaker 4: just went so one of the another one of those linebackers.
Speaker 2: Yep, so Bill's Bill steal As Brown's Patriots coming up.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I mean, this is the fifth round of the draft.
Speaker 5: At this point, you know, who knows what their board
Speaker 5: looks like. I go back to the question I poorly
Speaker 5: asked of Elliott two days ago. But you know, at
Speaker 5: this point, how do you know when it's time to
Speaker 5: trade up? Or I mean, are there less trades when
Speaker 5: you get into Day three or are there more trade
Speaker 5: It's because I mean, maybe you see somebody that you
Speaker 5: really really like and you'd say, screwed, we gotta go
Speaker 5: get him, but at this point, don't you feel like
Speaker 5: you just kind of sit and wait and see what's
Speaker 5: there when you get there and hopefully make a quality pick. Uh,
Speaker 5: let's see Mike, and may add not playing that's fine,
Speaker 5: he didn't like it to add.
Speaker 2: Fuel to the fire. According to Kadlake's x account, starting
Speaker 2: five from left to right will be Lomu, Campbell, Wilson, You,
Speaker 2: and Vera Tucka.
Speaker 5: This was Evan. It's about to go.
Speaker 4: He said that if he said something about can you
Speaker 4: read that again?
Speaker 2: Left tackle?
Speaker 5: Vera Tucker is going to play right tackle.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: He got roasted for this take. He got roasted so
Speaker 4: bad for the take that he replied to the tweet
Speaker 4: with a revised version and said, Okay, all right, I
Speaker 4: get you know, Mike, don't back up, Mike gun.
Speaker 3: I'm not even gonna if that's Evan was well aware
Speaker 3: of that.
Speaker 4: You know what my guys are doing right along? Then
Speaker 4: I just love sending it in the group text like
Speaker 4: we're going to make a guard attack in the rookie
Speaker 4: got left hock.
Speaker 5: I just imagine the textbox up from ev and it's
Speaker 5: just like, what is this?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Because a lot of like so much fun.
Speaker 2: The thing that I was thinking about this morning when
Speaker 2: one of your guys was talking about, you know, they
Speaker 2: don't have a plan. They should have done all this
Speaker 2: stuff last year, all this stuff right as if you
Speaker 2: can do it. These guys are playing fantasy football, some
Speaker 2: of these analysts, these quote analysts.
Speaker 3: Yeah that's not they need a wr one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not. It's not how it works. You just
Speaker 2: can't do everything every year.
Speaker 4: Honestly though, like I was in game, as I do,
Speaker 4: I was thinking about this last night on my ride home.
Speaker 4: Their roster looks pretty darn good on paper right now.
Speaker 5: It's not bad, especially Patriots.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they don't have any huge hole, especially if you
Speaker 4: are we're all assuming A J. Brown is going to
Speaker 4: be a part of this in a month.
Speaker 3: I mean, they did a really good job and a
Speaker 3: really short amount of time of filling a lot of hole.
Speaker 2: Like talk about depth issues in certain case.
Speaker 4: Theftball linebacker is the depth issue right now. But like
Speaker 4: you know, they were talking about Lomu, you know, having
Speaker 4: a little bit of guard flexibility maybe as a rookie
Speaker 4: if he's backing up, you know, kind of four spots.
Speaker 4: You know, if that it comes to that, you know,
Speaker 4: I don't know if you'd necessarily have all this major
Speaker 4: depth issues on the offensive line because you still have
Speaker 4: Ben Brown who can back up three spots on the interior.
Speaker 4: If you know Lomu can be your swing tackle. I
Speaker 4: mean that, how much more do you like NFL caliber
Speaker 4: depth on the line? To people say, what.
Speaker 2: Bround was Joe Tuney taken or fourth? If he had
Speaker 2: been a first round pick and still had the same
Speaker 2: career where he's kind of like this guy that can
Speaker 2: play a lot, would that have been a good first
Speaker 2: round pick?
Speaker 5: I mean, it's we get into the guard thing, but yeah,
Speaker 5: but he's a Hall of Fame guard, so yeah, I
Speaker 5: would say probably a late.
Speaker 3: First round pick would have been. Yeah, he's a Hall
Speaker 3: of Fame.
Speaker 5: You guys know, I keep my Nerd depth chart here
Speaker 5: and I would just say that the three spots I
Speaker 5: have left, like I have red spots of where I
Speaker 5: think they need depth lest that guard, you know guard,
Speaker 5: I think they needed Michael When is going to be up.
Speaker 5: And regardless you.
Speaker 2: Got Ben Brown.
Speaker 5: He's a good swing guy, but I think you need
Speaker 5: one more young guard, a nose tackle, and an off
Speaker 5: the ball linebacker. Those are the three spots I have
Speaker 5: left that I'd like to get some depth pieces. They
Speaker 5: don't have to be immediate contributors, but maybe guys that
Speaker 5: develop behind the scenes. But you know, after that, I'm
Speaker 5: pretty good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say big pitcher for the whole roster.
Speaker 3: I agree that I think they've done an amazing job
Speaker 3: filling a lot of holes in a year and a
Speaker 3: year plus right last year and now so far this year.
Speaker 3: I would say one thing that would say, you know,
Speaker 3: they've addressed it, but we'll see if it works. So
Speaker 3: wide receiver where you're gonna have AJ Brown, most likely
Speaker 3: in Romeo Dobbs.
Speaker 5: Do they work? Yeah, So if they work, now you've
Speaker 5: given Drake.
Speaker 3: May As, let's just say minimally as much as you
Speaker 3: gave him last year, if not more, probably more, I
Speaker 3: would say more, right, depending on Brown.
Speaker 4: As long as that yeah, as long as that works.
Speaker 3: Now, if A. J. Brown's knees are shot and he's
Speaker 3: not you know, when he is on the decline and
Speaker 3: Romeo Dobbs kind of is what he is. He's just
Speaker 3: sort of a complimentary piece and nothing more, then you're
Speaker 3: probably gonna still be looking for some more weapons for
Speaker 3: for Drake may Next year.
Speaker 4: I mean maybe I like a Brown, we've addressed it.
Speaker 3: You can't say they didn't.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like a J. Brown, Romeo Dobbs and whoever wins
Speaker 4: out for the third Kyle Williams or maccollins or Booty
Speaker 4: or Pop are still on the roster at that point.
Speaker 4: Henry now rear it in. Yeah, you're blocking tight end
Speaker 4: and Julian Hill, and you also have Ramandre and Trevon
Speaker 4: Henderson as your two backs.
Speaker 12: Help.
Speaker 2: It's it's a pretty damn good roster.
Speaker 4: And you have all five offensive lineman figured out.
Speaker 3: The roster's gotten better, uh dramatically in just two seasons. Like,
Speaker 3: I don't know if you could ask much more out
Speaker 3: of these guys.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think, you know, like the one spot I
Speaker 4: you know, would say in terms of high end talent,
Speaker 4: like we talked about receiver, like you know Akis has
Speaker 4: got a hit. You know, like akis Is is going
Speaker 4: to have to be you know, a double digit sack guy.
Speaker 4: You know, they don't really have that kind of player
Speaker 4: without him, you know, hitting his ceiling as a player.
Speaker 4: But even like I, you know a lot of people
Speaker 4: are talking about you know, well, they still need depth
Speaker 4: of safety, like Craig Woodson and Kevin Byrd is a
Speaker 4: pretty darn good starting safety.
Speaker 3: Exciting, right, And the reason I bring up the wide
Speaker 3: receiver thing, right is because if it works out that
Speaker 3: let's just say it's the worst case scenario and A J.
Speaker 3: Brown doesn't work, so he's probably going to be a
Speaker 3: one and done. They'll probably find a way to move
Speaker 3: on from him if he's not good. So now you'd
Speaker 3: have Dobbs next year. And then Mike has been talking
Speaker 3: about this for months. You know, the rest of the
Speaker 3: receivers basically are up, so you're really going to be
Speaker 3: looking for weapons in the passing game next year if
Speaker 3: it doesn't.
Speaker 5: Work out with the guys, guy, if A J.
Speaker 3: Brown is a twelve hundred yard receiver and Romeo Dobbs
Speaker 3: can go from you know, a complimentary piece to like
Speaker 3: a one A.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you're draft back hit. Jerry Smith from the Buckeyes.
Speaker 2: Jerry Jerry Rice Jerry Well.
Speaker 4: The good news is that even besides Jeremiah Smith right now,
Speaker 4: on paper, it's a loaded wide receiver class next year,
Speaker 4: Like there's probably gonna be you know, some I would
Speaker 4: say at least three, if not number one, like true,
Speaker 4: like first round blue chip kind of receivers. Obviously, Jeremiah
Speaker 4: Smith's in his own stratosphere. But it's a good class,
Speaker 4: you know. But I just looked at you know, their
Speaker 4: their hour lads depth chart as work it does for hour,
Speaker 4: and I mean I was kind of like I got it.
Speaker 4: Maybe I'm a homer, but like, this looks like a
Speaker 4: pretty good roster, especially when you consider that Drake may
Speaker 4: is the quarterback and Mike Rabel's the coach. Like it's
Speaker 4: it's a pretty good team.
Speaker 5: I would agree.
Speaker 2: Simon California says, as a former offensive lineman and lifelong
Speaker 2: football fan, I'm disappointed in the Patriots drafting a left
Speaker 2: tackle who needs to build strength but had great pass
Speaker 2: protection skills in a run first Utah offense.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Will Campbell played through injury and has a mentality similar
Speaker 2: Logan Mankins. Meanwhile, one of the knocks and Lomo is
Speaker 2: his attitude to punish people. I hope for the best,
Speaker 2: but one hundred percent agree with Evan. We should have
Speaker 2: picked an edge at thirty one and got Markel Bell
Speaker 2: in the third round. And for Deuce, if you had
Speaker 2: to switch from left to right defense and hockey, how
Speaker 2: would that affect you?
Speaker 5: No problem? I mean you just slightly adjust it doesn't
Speaker 5: I mean, it's basically I would just say the breakouts
Speaker 5: and you know, both ends. So I'm playing on the wall.
Speaker 5: I got my stick on the left side easier than
Speaker 5: I'm on the right side.
Speaker 3: I gotta catch it if.
Speaker 4: You're gonna play pept I think.
Speaker 3: Five five left shots, I believe.
Speaker 4: Isn't it easier to play with your stick on the
Speaker 4: side of the boards though.
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, I mean technically it is, but it's not
Speaker 5: that hard to just catch it on your back hand.
Speaker 2: It's something.
Speaker 5: But I didn't hear them what you got, Maddie.
Speaker 2: I was just making a joke.
Speaker 5: I said, you should sniff after that, duce.
Speaker 4: Oh well, sailors pick is in out one sixty nine.
Speaker 4: The Browns are on the clock at one seventies, so
Speaker 4: the Patriots might actually be on the clock.
Speaker 3: H Yeah, Buffalo didn't want to own the fifth round.
Speaker 3: By the way, they traded the second one of these.
Speaker 2: They took the kill guy that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's a like a big nickel, And like I
Speaker 4: said earlier, I really liked him. But you have to
Speaker 4: have a role in mind for a player like that,
Speaker 4: Like if that's not that role doesn't already exist in
Speaker 4: your defense. It's hard to just kind of create it
Speaker 4: out of thin air.
Speaker 2: Evan going into last year, thought Campbell was the best
Speaker 2: option among him, Membu and Banks. Does he feel the
Speaker 2: same today. Each had pretty similar seasons and Campbell finished poorly.
Speaker 4: I think that, yes, But you know, realistically, probably maybe
Speaker 4: a little bit closer between Campbell and Banks. I mean,
Speaker 4: membuo played right tackle, and he played right tackle in college,
Speaker 4: and he played right tackle for the Jets, So I'm
Speaker 4: not I'm just kind of not counting that one as much.
Speaker 4: But you know, Banks also didn't play the Chargers, the Texans,
Speaker 4: the Broncos in Seattle, and we didn't get to see
Speaker 4: the exposure of what he would have.
Speaker 2: Looked like against after an injury, four of the best.
Speaker 4: Pass rushers in football. So I didn't get hurt last year.
Speaker 4: I hadn't heard that.
Speaker 3: Snarky snarky ball.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Don and Philly. With Rabel not being available today,
Speaker 2: has Elliott reached out to Evan about selecting any of
Speaker 2: his my guys a little disrespectful if not?
Speaker 4: Has he?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 4: He has not.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 16: No, I.
Speaker 4: Will say the seventh round pick.
Speaker 5: I will say no because Nancy Meyer, I think is
Speaker 5: going to make a pick today and you know, shout
Speaker 5: out Nancy Meyer. This is probably one of her I mean,
Speaker 5: this is I think if for her last fifty one
Speaker 5: you know, season's been nineteen seventy four. One of my
Speaker 5: favorite moments of Super Bowl Week was that the party
Speaker 5: Paul you and I went up to Nancy. We you know,
Speaker 5: took a great picture with her, and she's just been
Speaker 5: so sweet to me. I mean, it's it's she is
Speaker 5: the Patriots.
Speaker 4: It's like I look at her.
Speaker 5: I mean, her and Tip are the two that have
Speaker 5: been here for every single Super Bowl and it's just
Speaker 5: such a wonderful person.
Speaker 3: And I'm you know, when we talk about all these
Speaker 3: things like like thirty visits and you know, when we
Speaker 3: picked these players and they come in and they you know,
Speaker 3: they get come to the organization. Nancy Meyers the clock
Speaker 3: and helping, you know, with all the logistics of all
Speaker 3: that kind of stuff. She is a truly special person.
Speaker 4: Even get into the combine this year where we all
Speaker 4: had to go through the snowstorm to get to Indianapolis.
Speaker 4: H you know, just organizing so that Elliott and the
Speaker 4: scouting staff can all get to Indianapolis. And all the
Speaker 4: different flights and rental cars and all the different things
Speaker 4: that you know, they had to jump through. I remember
Speaker 4: my first time flying on the plane and the Patriots
Speaker 4: are on the clock. So this is a longer story.
Speaker 2: So let's just you know, with Nancy and all the
Speaker 2: you know, the twenty dark years of Bill where we
Speaker 2: were the enemy and you couldn't talk to anyone and
Speaker 2: they couldn't talk to you. She was always, you know,
Speaker 2: nice and kind and always love the newspaper, always making
Speaker 2: sure there were copies down there for everybody.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: So she wasn't, you know, like the others.
Speaker 5: Yeah, now, I mean I she didn't. She didn't pick
Speaker 5: my change my flight. But when I got to Indy,
Speaker 5: she was there.
Speaker 4: She's like hop in with us, Mike.
Speaker 5: She's a sweetheart.
Speaker 2: So the pick is in for the Patriots. Who is it?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I see who it is?
Speaker 5: I have not seen it?
Speaker 4: See yeah, who it is?
Speaker 5: Position will be on the defensive side of the ball
Speaker 5: in the secondary. I'm buying time right now. So someone
Speaker 5: I thought we weren't saying now, I'm not gonna tip it.
Speaker 5: I'll wait till we see it on on on Twitter.
Speaker 5: But and I did know this is the time nough
Speaker 5: where it's just I don't like I said, there's three
Speaker 5: positions I think they need at this point.
Speaker 12: B p A.
Speaker 5: If there's a guy in a positions it's not even one
Speaker 5: of those, but you really like them, go for it.
Speaker 4: Okay, So it should be this position. So you got
Speaker 4: your depth, all right?
Speaker 5: So it's out by Jordan Schultz, it's a wake Forest cornerback.
Speaker 5: Karen Prunty. Prunty, Yeah, carry did.
Speaker 4: I don't even I think this guy's in the beast.
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna lie to you, which is a first
Speaker 4: for for Dan Brugler. I'm not super familiar with him either.
Speaker 4: I I know that they had him in for a
Speaker 4: pre draft visit and it wasn't There weren't many teams
Speaker 4: that you know, had him in for visits. I think
Speaker 4: he only had a couple. He played some safety, if
Speaker 4: I remember correctly. So I don't know if he's going
Speaker 4: to be a corner or if he's going to be
Speaker 4: a safety at the next level. But you know, this
Speaker 4: is a guy that we kind of were talking about, right,
Speaker 4: you know, cornerback depth, safety depth, maybe special teams, you know,
Speaker 4: I would say most likely, but definitely sort of a
Speaker 4: hidden gem.
Speaker 5: Yeah, definitely, there is some film with him if you're interested.
Speaker 5: From Wake forest on on the tweet machine. Had had
Speaker 5: four visits during the pre draft process, one with the Patriots,
Speaker 5: So he is in the.
Speaker 4: Beast, but he's uh, he's in there as a priority
Speaker 4: free agent and he does not have a profile.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's among the best of the rest, is he not?
Speaker 3: Because I'm looking at the cornerbacks and he's not on
Speaker 3: my top forty two.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is cornerback fifty seven. Again, this is just
Speaker 4: Dane's rankings. Yeah, yeah, and he's a He has him
Speaker 4: as a UDFA grade in his and doesn't even have
Speaker 4: strengths and weaknesses.
Speaker 2: Yeah, on our lads, you know, they ranked from ten
Speaker 2: to zero and the lowest grade is a two point five.
Speaker 2: He's at a two point nine to two.
Speaker 3: So he's got to be a special teams guy with
Speaker 3: some with some traits that they think can can contribute
Speaker 3: in special teams.
Speaker 5: Yeah, four, four, five, forty nothing you know, too special.
Speaker 5: But it does look like he has some size to him.
Speaker 2: So does he return kicks at all or anything like that.
Speaker 12: No.
Speaker 4: The week into that I remember about him because they
Speaker 4: did have him in for a pre draft visit was
Speaker 4: that he played a little bit of both safety and
Speaker 4: cornerback in college. So maybe special teams guy, maybe some
Speaker 4: depth on the roster at you know, maybe both of
Speaker 4: those positions, one those positions. I guess we'll see where
Speaker 4: they end up playing him. But you know, someone that
Speaker 4: is pretty off the beaten path. They picked the guy that,
Speaker 4: I mean when he doesn't even have it right up
Speaker 4: in the that's when you.
Speaker 5: Know that goes is now, Like we have people we
Speaker 5: work with who have to are scrambling to find highlights.
Speaker 3: Some random guy that this is gonna be why we're
Speaker 3: going to be hearing about this week.
Speaker 5: All right, and Matista, if you're listening, don't text me
Speaker 5: for an expert announces.
Speaker 3: Right now, let's not be making it up off the
Speaker 3: top of.
Speaker 4: I'm surprised a little bit just the fact that, you know,
Speaker 4: there's some linebackers especially that are so on board. Now
Speaker 4: they have three six round picks, so maybe they feel
Speaker 4: like the some of those linebackers are are going to
Speaker 4: make it to them in the sixth round. But you know, I,
Speaker 4: I don't know, you know where this guy slots in
Speaker 4: in terms of being able to contribute you know, on
Speaker 4: the actual defense versus contributing on special teams. But you know,
Speaker 4: whether it was Perkins, you know, Aiden Fisher, Jack Kelly,
Speaker 4: Deontay lost In, I know has some injury history, Red
Speaker 4: Murdoch from Buffalo, like those are all guys that people
Speaker 4: projected at that linebacker position that they thought we're going
Speaker 4: to be able to be you know, decent players even
Speaker 4: at safety. You know, guys like VJ. Payin is still available,
Speaker 4: Bishop Fitzgerald, Lewis Moore. So I thought that there were
Speaker 4: some guys that actually could still potentially contribute, you know,
Speaker 4: on defense, that it was still available, and they went
Speaker 4: with with Prunty, who I'm not super familiar with.
Speaker 2: Okay, well they it'll be interesting to hear, is it
Speaker 2: Elliott that's going to talk today? Yes, So I'm sure
Speaker 2: you know that'll be the question, what did what do
Speaker 2: you know about this guy? Why do you like him?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Why did you pick him in the fifth round? So
Speaker 2: we'll say about that. So now the next pick is
Speaker 2: how long.
Speaker 5: I think they're the tenth in the next round, so
Speaker 5: it's uh not to not too long. It is we're
Speaker 5: one seventy two and they got to get ninety one
Speaker 5: ninety one, so about nineteen picks. Ye picks in yah,
Speaker 5: we go.
Speaker 3: In the next two picks, So.
Speaker 5: He might make we might make it to those maybe me,
Speaker 5: I don't know, but it is interesting. This is just
Speaker 5: another day three cornerback Marcella's style Kobe Minor, uh, now
Speaker 5: you add punty to that mix. Brandon Crossley was a
Speaker 5: practice squad guy last year. Can someone emerge from that group?
Speaker 5: Can someone? I thought last year Mark Marcello's style actually
Speaker 5: was starting to show a little bit.
Speaker 3: This a lot like Kobe Minor to me in my mind,
Speaker 3: like probably has some fish. They think he can play
Speaker 3: on special teams and then we'll see, you know, like
Speaker 3: Marcellus dial and I know, like people laugh at me
Speaker 3: because I'm so disinterested in like these kinds of things.
Speaker 3: But he developed into a really really good guy on
Speaker 3: the punting, like a really good vice guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that was a hole that they they thought
Speaker 3: enough to fill out. I think that's kind of what
Speaker 3: led to Chucky Trees when they went out and got
Speaker 3: Charles Woods early in the year. They needed a guy
Speaker 3: that could fill that kind of role. You know, we'll
Speaker 3: see what kind of skills, you know, once he has
Speaker 3: I'm not This is no question the guy that I
Speaker 3: did not on my radar at all.
Speaker 4: Yeah, barely on Danes radar. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm not here to.
Speaker 3: Trash a pick of a player that I'm not familiar.
Speaker 2: You know what.
Speaker 4: I'll say this, and you know, because I rattled off
Speaker 4: some guys that I liked that were still available in
Speaker 4: this range, it's not quite this. You know, I knew
Speaker 4: who Craig Woodson was, and I knew a little bit
Speaker 4: more about him, but Craig Woodson was the one pick
Speaker 4: last year where I felt like they went off the
Speaker 4: beaten path and against consensus, he ended up being one
Speaker 4: of the best picks of the draft for them last year.
Speaker 4: I don't know if this is going to be Craig Woodson.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying that, but you know, the Patriots they
Speaker 4: have a little bit of rope with me because of
Speaker 4: the Craig Woodson thing that you know, maybe they see
Speaker 4: a player differently, they have a different evaluation and a
Speaker 4: different grade on him, and uh, you know, they they're
Speaker 4: higher on him than everybody else's.
Speaker 5: It is funny though, the gravesman you draft who.
Speaker 2: I was hoping stop stop.
Speaker 4: Now, we'll see.
Speaker 5: But that's a position where they have a bunch of guys,
Speaker 5: but can any of them play, can any of them contribute?
Speaker 5: I don't really know whereas you know, linebacker. To Evan's point,
Speaker 5: they don't really have a bunch of guys. Chad Muma, I.
Speaker 2: Forgot about him.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he was dressing late in the year, especially came
Speaker 5: in as a special teams guy and he played a
Speaker 5: little bit. I mean, he was a little bit more
Speaker 5: highly touted, So you know, maybe they see some potential
Speaker 5: in him.
Speaker 2: I don't know, at least at least some of the depths.
Speaker 3: Good point, Mike, that's another element of the because that's
Speaker 3: what you're looking for, is another depth guy that can
Speaker 3: play special teams and he was playing in that role
Speaker 3: late in the year. Yep, maybe they liked what they saw.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they saw those three six round picks. And you know,
Speaker 4: some of the linebackers that I've been hyping up are
Speaker 4: still on the board, and yeah, they're still going.
Speaker 3: And I'm not gonna lie because I'm so immature. When
Speaker 3: the Patriots sort of let go of you know, Jack
Speaker 3: Gibbons and then decided to release Jolani Tavai, and you know,
Speaker 3: one after another or breathlessly.
Speaker 5: This is a big need. This is a big need.
Speaker 3: You know, like everybody you know sort of overreacting to
Speaker 3: like depth linebackers as a need. And then you know,
Speaker 3: we all the three of us kind of had some
Speaker 3: fun on April thirteenth when we had the Elliott Wolf
Speaker 3: pre draft press conference and he specifically said, yeah, we'll
Speaker 3: be looking at some of those Day three linebackers. And
Speaker 3: you know, here we are in round five taking a
Speaker 3: cornerback that no one's really overly familiar with. Obviously they
Speaker 3: didn't see it as as big a need as everybody
Speaker 3: else did.
Speaker 2: And you know, whether it's you know, that big guy
Speaker 2: in the middle like Tonga, or these linebackers that you
Speaker 2: know we could use right now, you can be able
Speaker 2: to get them off the street.
Speaker 5: There's always options. This isn't the end of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Tonga was a free agent. That was that was
Speaker 3: an unrestricted free agent. He was off the street.
Speaker 2: Now, well, yeah, but he was a seventh round pick
Speaker 2: that he was available, that is what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: No, he was.
Speaker 3: He played for another team and they didn't resign them.
Speaker 3: It's like that's like an office street free agentsy guys
Speaker 3: out of the league.
Speaker 2: And you just he's a jump but there'll be people available.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I agree with your premise about Yeah, like
Speaker 3: you can find these guys I should.
Speaker 5: I mean even a nose tackle too. I think like
Speaker 5: if they got out of the draft without one, and
Speaker 5: even at this point expecting a nose tackle, they draft
Speaker 5: to come in and beat the Tonga guy and rotate,
Speaker 5: probably asking him a bit much. But you can always
Speaker 5: there's always guys out there on the street that you
Speaker 5: can try to find, especially at that position where you
Speaker 5: really just need a two down with stuff.
Speaker 2: Specific role, you know, a one dimensional player. But that's
Speaker 2: all I need, you know.
Speaker 4: I mean, even the nose tackles, there are still guys
Speaker 4: out there.
Speaker 5: Carl Davis remember him, like it was that his name,
Speaker 5: Carl Davis, Carl he was nose tackles. Really, is that right?
Speaker 5: I feel like I'm compe with Carlton. Yeah, no, I
Speaker 5: know ninety eight.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I know who you're talking about. There's still
Speaker 4: some nose tackles available that I liked. And you know,
Speaker 4: like I said earlier that that position is just so
Speaker 4: specialized that are not going to be high draft picks
Speaker 4: right when you're gonna play a run stuffing nose tackle
Speaker 4: as it's like Kayden McDonald and he's like a dude.
Speaker 3: Like he's, yeah, he's I'm going to be showing everybody
Speaker 3: I'm the best player in this draft.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: But like the Godfather, Dante Corleone, you know, tend to
Speaker 4: call her called in about Tim Keenan. You know, these
Speaker 4: are all guys that might just make it to their
Speaker 4: picks in the sixth round. You know, some of these
Speaker 4: linebackers and nose tackles.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: Corleone had a blood clots issue earlier on in his
Speaker 4: college career, so maybe that has you know, been a
Speaker 4: flag for some teams, has been flagged in the medical
Speaker 4: process because I thought he was going to go ahead it,
Speaker 4: you know, earlier than this. So maybe that is contributing there.
Speaker 4: And even you know some of the guys like Xavian Harris,
Speaker 4: who has some off field stuff, you know, for Sean Benny,
Speaker 4: Like there's still some guys on the defensive line too,
Speaker 4: So uh, you know, I think the sixth round still
Speaker 4: has some value in it, uh.
Speaker 2: Walker Walker from the Berks Hears. Let's get one thing straight.
Speaker 2: Our roster is pretty staffed now with the addition of
Speaker 2: AJ Brown and a stronger run game. It's looking pretty good.
Speaker 2: But what's the biggest concern on offense?
Speaker 5: If Drake may takes the leap forward in year two
Speaker 5: of the system that he needs to make mental yeah,
Speaker 5: I think that. I mean, I think that to me
Speaker 5: will determine how good they are. How can you know
Speaker 5: how they handled this year. It's gonna be tougher year
Speaker 5: for them. They're probably gonna have more injuries than they
Speaker 5: had last year. You know, games might not unfold all
Speaker 5: in their favor where they're up ten to nothing and
Speaker 5: playing from a position to strength. So I think if
Speaker 5: Drake takes the step that they want him to take
Speaker 5: and that they think he can take, then I think
Speaker 5: that'll help them. I think that they've done a really
Speaker 5: good job of filling a lot of holes in the roster.
Speaker 3: I would not call this roster stacked. So my biggest
Speaker 3: concern would be what I talked about about a half
Speaker 3: hour ago. You address the pass catchers. Does your addressing
Speaker 3: the guys that you addressed, do they work? And in
Speaker 3: conjunction with that, do the guys that you have in place.
Speaker 3: You know, we talked about how good everything was last year.
Speaker 3: Mike keeps talking about like, you know, you played a
Speaker 3: lot of games on your terms. Are those guys going
Speaker 3: to be as good as they were last year or
Speaker 3: did they level off a little bit? You know, like,
Speaker 3: and it starts with Drake. Drake was an MVP last year.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 4: Does he level off? Does he play better? Well? Does
Speaker 4: he take a step back? You know?
Speaker 3: Maybe everybody says, you know, what we saw in the
Speaker 3: playoffs that if you can sort of take away that
Speaker 3: deep stuff and make him do it in a different
Speaker 3: way and get you know, get in his face early
Speaker 3: in games, you can kind of get them up. There's
Speaker 3: a lot of different things that can happen.
Speaker 4: Like, what are my concerns.
Speaker 3: My concerns are AJ Brown's not AJ Brown anymore and
Speaker 3: Romeo Dobbs is just a complimentary piece.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I love that point, Paul, and I would
Speaker 5: say I do wonder if that's how teams viewed Drake,
Speaker 5: to say, take away the deep stuff from him, make
Speaker 5: him read it out and take the take the underneath change.
Speaker 2: We get bored the Patriots made it could have this way.
Speaker 2: It could happen where the Patriots have not as good
Speaker 2: a record this year as last year, but they're.
Speaker 5: A better team. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, they.
Speaker 2: Could be a better back this year, but not be
Speaker 2: an MVP can Yeah yeah, you know, no, I could
Speaker 2: happen too.
Speaker 5: I think more than it could happen, I think there's
Speaker 5: a very good chance that that it does happen.
Speaker 3: And I would say if he plays better than he
Speaker 3: played last year, he'll be an MVP candidate again, because
Speaker 3: I don't know, he played at an exceptionally high.
Speaker 5: Level last year. Yeah yeah, and especially if he's going
Speaker 5: into Seattle, going into Kansas City, I mean tearing up
Speaker 5: those teams, Like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, these are just concerns because he asked
Speaker 3: for concerns. These are not things I'm expecting. I like
Speaker 3: where the roster is, I like where they're headed. I
Speaker 3: think the arrow was pointing up. But he's asking for
Speaker 3: things that you I would worry that he levels off
Speaker 3: a little bit and doesn't play as well as he
Speaker 3: did last year because he played so well last year.
Speaker 3: It's almost like, how could he possibly get better?
Speaker 11: And I.
Speaker 4: Still think it's the offensive line, Like he's a good
Speaker 4: one too. It's a good one too.
Speaker 5: They're all connected because you are making me open my mind,
Speaker 5: like Campbell, if he doesn't don't mock me play the
Speaker 5: first way he did the first fourteen weeks of the season.
Speaker 4: He doesn't take a step forward.
Speaker 2: Vera.
Speaker 4: Tucker's got to stay healthy. You know, Jared Wilson's moving
Speaker 4: into center. We think he's going to be better at
Speaker 4: center than he was at guard.
Speaker 3: But we don't know if he's going to be better
Speaker 3: than Bradbury was at center.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: And you know, then with Morgan Moses thirty five years old, well,
Speaker 4: does he play seventeen games? Does he play seventeen games?
Speaker 4: Does he play at the same level? Does Lomu have
Speaker 4: to play more than you want him to have to
Speaker 4: play as a rookie? I you know, I hear what
Speaker 4: all you guys are saying about Drake May. But I
Speaker 4: think Drake May established himself that he's going to be
Speaker 4: playing at a pretty high level too.
Speaker 2: But Mike is right, like they're all connected.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like you could make an argument that Drake May
Speaker 3: played fine in the playoffs, but he had less time
Speaker 3: to do it. Or you can make an argument and
Speaker 3: said the offensive line was the same all year, but
Speaker 3: Drake made him look better than they were in the
Speaker 3: regular season. He couldn't do that in the playoffs. Depends
Speaker 3: on your perspective.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but it's all related, right, and you can compensate
Speaker 5: for if the offensive line isn't quite as good, but
Speaker 5: AJ Brown and Dobbs are excellent, and then that's going
Speaker 5: to offset some of it.
Speaker 4: You know, how does it all fit?
Speaker 2: You could play the law of averages and be a
Speaker 2: real down. Let's say everything worked out last year. The
Speaker 2: odds are everything's not.
Speaker 5: Going well and unfortunately, friend, like, I'm not going to
Speaker 5: say that it's going to be it's going to be
Speaker 5: more in the middle of the pack.
Speaker 3: And that's your theory of you could be better this
Speaker 3: year than you were last year and not win as
Speaker 3: many games.
Speaker 4: Right to me, that's that's schedule related. Their schedule and
Speaker 4: is much harder and injury related to Yeah, yeah, their
Speaker 4: schedule is much harder, and you know they're going to
Speaker 4: be playing on much better team.
Speaker 2: Russell and Florida. I was really hoping that we would
Speaker 2: jump back into the fourth, but I'm assuming that they
Speaker 2: feel the talent left isn't worth the move. That being said,
Speaker 2: do you think that by the sixth round they start
Speaker 2: using picks on UDFA guys that they like, you think
Speaker 2: Taylor Green could be on their radar? At one seventy
Speaker 2: one or if he slips to the sixth, Well.
Speaker 4: I think kron Punty might have been a guy that
Speaker 4: was closer to you, UDFA. And you know they talked
Speaker 4: about the drop off in this draft. I mean the
Speaker 4: fact that that's happening in the fifth round.
Speaker 2: Well, I just thought of something with Elliott said, we
Speaker 2: don't have Mike Rabel to do the recruiting for the UDFA,
Speaker 2: we better maybe the thinking we might as well get
Speaker 2: him now and not have to recruit them.
Speaker 3: Do you have your numbers on your your fancy little
Speaker 3: geek chart for them?
Speaker 2: I'm sorry chart?
Speaker 5: Yes, for what.
Speaker 3: Number on how many players are currently on the roster?
Speaker 5: You have an added I can tell actually hold on,
Speaker 5: give me ten seconds a.
Speaker 3: Right, yeah effort that. I also, I'm going to throw
Speaker 3: this one to you. Well, Mike's doing his his geek count. Yes,
Speaker 3: email just brought up Taylor Green. Are you interested in
Speaker 3: the quarterback here and any of these last four picks?
Speaker 4: I'd be fine with it. I think the backup quarterback
Speaker 4: thing always goes one away. Taylor Green is like a
Speaker 4: raw ball of clay. But that's a developmental pick. That's
Speaker 4: Joe Milton is what that is.
Speaker 3: I just meant the position in Jai.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that, you know, I get that they
Speaker 4: count on Tommy DeVito and they feel good about Tommy DeVito,
Speaker 4: but I'd have no problem with it. Like, but the
Speaker 4: question is is do you go with a guy like
Speaker 4: Taylor Green, who's Joe Milton. I mean maybe not with
Speaker 4: the arm talent, but the mobility and size and all
Speaker 4: the you know, physical tools, or you know the kid
Speaker 4: from Yukon who's like more of like that's just going
Speaker 4: to be Chase Daniel, Like that's going to be your
Speaker 4: classic NFL backup quarterback for the next ten years. I
Speaker 4: think you had one pick the entire season last year.
Speaker 4: You know, that's going to be that type of player.
Speaker 4: You know, which direction would you rather go in in
Speaker 4: terms of you know, getting I guess if you feel
Speaker 4: good about de Vito, like maybe you take the chance
Speaker 4: on the upside.
Speaker 3: Another great name has a Kaya Mass.
Speaker 4: I liked him. I had him on the big board.
Speaker 4: I really liked him. I thought he was really smooth
Speaker 4: in his pedal, silky smooth hips right flip and run.
Speaker 4: Maybe not as good in man coverage right now, but
Speaker 4: I thought he was a really good zone corner already.
Speaker 5: I think I'm at seventy two, so seventy two for
Speaker 5: the draft, So seventy six seventy two with eight picks, right,
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, that they haven't But you haven't counted
Speaker 5: any draft picks yet. I didn't count I just did
Speaker 5: seventy two.
Speaker 3: Seventy two draft picks without draft, so that's eighty So
Speaker 3: there is still them for some new DFAs. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: got ten more spots.
Speaker 5: I'm I'm gonna double check that though, But I mean
Speaker 5: it's you.
Speaker 3: You're talking to eight to ten spots. Yeah, like you
Speaker 3: know whether it's exact or not. So yeah, I mean,
Speaker 3: I guess there is some room. I was kind of
Speaker 3: thinking they wouldn't have a tremendous amount of room for
Speaker 3: u DFAs this year because of the increase of the
Speaker 3: caliber of the roster. You're in a better sets than
Speaker 3: you were last year, but you still have room for
Speaker 3: some That's how I.
Speaker 4: Feel too, with you know, eleven draft picks going into
Speaker 4: the draft. Yeah, it just felt like a lot, especially
Speaker 4: in a draft but you know, less talent like this one.
Speaker 4: And they seem like they kind of agreed because they
Speaker 4: traded you know, their two fourth round picks to move
Speaker 4: up in the first two days and kind of consolidated
Speaker 4: the picks a little bit.
Speaker 2: Uh Don and Philly. Everyone is saying that the AFC
Speaker 2: East is cooking in this draft. I'm not worried about
Speaker 2: the Jets or Dolphins, but the Bills seem to be
Speaker 2: stockpiling slot receivers with the move tight ends on their roster.
Speaker 2: What is their goal?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't we then' that's some commentary.
Speaker 3: I don't love some of the I love some of
Speaker 3: the stuff that the Bills have done. I don't hate it,
Speaker 3: but I don't I would have looked for more of
Speaker 3: a dynamic presence at the receiver position than just another
Speaker 3: slot kind of guy. But I do think the Jets
Speaker 3: have had a nice draft, and we talked a lot
Speaker 3: about the Jets yesterday. I think if and it's a
Speaker 3: big if because he's coming off a horrific season, if
Speaker 3: Gino Smith gives them passable quarterback play, I think they
Speaker 3: have the makings of a decent offense. And they're trying
Speaker 3: to rebuild the defense on a fly after really gutting
Speaker 3: it last year with Quinn Williams and Sauce Gardner and
Speaker 3: all those guys leaving. I think if they if Gino
Speaker 3: Smith has a decent year, I don't think them knocking
Speaker 3: on the door of you know, six seven wins, you know,
Speaker 3: in other words, not just two that you just pencil
Speaker 3: in automatic like you did this year, because they were
Speaker 3: so bad this year, they weren't beating you next year.
Speaker 3: I could see them being in a position where if
Speaker 3: you don't take if you don't take them seriously and
Speaker 3: you don't show up to play, you could be in
Speaker 3: some trouble.
Speaker 5: Can I bring up one other position? We haven't talked
Speaker 5: about his quarterback? Like do they need a third quarterback? Here?
Speaker 5: In one of these lives.
Speaker 3: When you were counting your geek chart, I transitioned to
Speaker 3: Evan and I did sorry because the email had just said,
Speaker 3: Taylor Green, what's one of these picks down here? And
Speaker 3: I was thinking like a Haines king, you know, which
Speaker 3: is kind of like my TV was the.
Speaker 4: Ability Garrettnsmeyer still available for some reason? Maybe the back
Speaker 4: thing is why he's not drafted yet.
Speaker 3: I'm surprised by that because I thought he was more
Speaker 3: talented than a lot of guys that have gotten taken.
Speaker 4: Me too, Taylor and Green, is you know we just
Speaker 4: talked about Cole Payton is kind of in the same
Speaker 4: category as Joe Fugano from Yukon is like pure back.
Speaker 3: No part of is the North Dakota State kid that's
Speaker 3: the left the lefty.
Speaker 4: I don't like him at all. I don't get it.
Speaker 3: And this this will be my Greg Bernard moment it
Speaker 3: turns on to get drafted in the when he turns
Speaker 3: out to.
Speaker 5: Be a stud. You guys could throw.
Speaker 3: It's rare to find guys when you watch their highlights
Speaker 3: that you're not impressed with. Yeah, and I watched his
Speaker 3: highlights and I was like, Okay, there's nobody there when
Speaker 3: he ran for a touchdown, Like, Okay.
Speaker 4: The Haines King one's interesting King.
Speaker 2: I love.
Speaker 4: I think Haynes King's kind of taste some Hill Like.
Speaker 4: I don't know if he's like actually a quarterback. No,
Speaker 4: Taylor Green might not be a quarterback.
Speaker 3: He's a hair better than Tebow as a as a passer.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they read a triple option. They you know, they
Speaker 4: run the ball a Ton.
Speaker 2: And he unbelt Taylor and Green.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 4: Some people think you know, I said, you know, remember
Speaker 4: Traill Prior, Like Trell Prior like switched to wide receiver
Speaker 4: and actually had a couple of good years as a
Speaker 4: wide receiver. If it doesn't work out for Tailing Green
Speaker 4: at quarterback, he could potentially do that. So do you
Speaker 4: want to do that thing with the athlete or do
Speaker 4: you want like Diego Pavia, who's going to be a
Speaker 4: ten year backup in the league.
Speaker 3: Right, Pavia is going to be one of those guys
Speaker 3: that I think could cost some issues as a backup
Speaker 3: with his mouth. Oh yeah, he's I mean, he's likely.
Speaker 3: He's extremely self confident, and I think that could cause
Speaker 3: issues as a backup up. Yeah, another tremendous college player, though.
Speaker 2: Let's see Scott says it was nice of the Patriots
Speaker 2: to let Bill make the pick at one seventy one. Good.
Speaker 5: That's funny.
Speaker 2: At the eight five five Pats five hundred the hot line,
Speaker 2: James is in North Carolina? What's up? James? James? James
Speaker 2: James in North Carolina? Muss has a player from North
Speaker 2: Carolina been drafted yet?
Speaker 15: Not?
Speaker 2: I'm aware the second believe Jordan Hudson's still available.
Speaker 5: Checked by college here.
Speaker 4: Let's go serious.
Speaker 2: Oh that Jordan.
Speaker 3: There's a player named Jordan Hudson. You didn't know this,
Speaker 3: it's been like all.
Speaker 2: Over from North Carolina.
Speaker 4: Oh, I don't think. I don't remember this being a.
Speaker 5: Big now Carolina, Thaddius Dixon, Marcus Allen and have all
Speaker 5: not been drafted.
Speaker 3: We're all transferred out on HIV. Din'd you listen to Lombardi?
Speaker 4: I was gonna say, Okay, Michael Party.
Speaker 2: Anthony Seattle, do you guys think that attitude slash nastiness
Speaker 2: is a bigger factor on defense and athleticism is more
Speaker 2: important on a modern day offense. That could explain the
Speaker 2: first three picks a little bit.
Speaker 5: That's what I thought last night. I mean, like, I'd
Speaker 5: much rather have a you know, an offensive player that
Speaker 5: you're like, we got to bring some of that out
Speaker 5: and him, then you know, a defensive player that's just
Speaker 5: more Traditionally, usually the defensive guys are a little bit tougher,
Speaker 5: but you know, there's always those guards that we talked
Speaker 5: about last night.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think there's toughness on both sides
Speaker 3: of the line, for sure, But I need athletes on
Speaker 3: defense too. You know, is there a better athlete on
Speaker 3: the Patriots than Christian Gonzales?
Speaker 17: No?
Speaker 4: No, there isn't.
Speaker 5: Poetry and most I.
Speaker 4: Still feel watch practice moves different than everybody else on
Speaker 4: the team. Yeah yeah, and in a good way. That's
Speaker 4: not a bad thing.
Speaker 5: I just I just don't want to get carried away
Speaker 5: with the Rabel thing of you know, the violence, the
Speaker 5: violence and he's not violent, and I order, you know,
Speaker 5: fixating your look. I get it. It's a type. They
Speaker 5: like it, they want to play with that style. But
Speaker 5: you can also incorporate players who maybe aren't innately always
Speaker 5: driving guys into the ground and given extra business.
Speaker 2: And did any research on the excellent lineman who was
Speaker 2: more technical than physical what we were talking about, you know,
Speaker 2: were there some great linemen were known for their technically I.
Speaker 5: Should have done how while I was trying to sleep
Speaker 5: last night, that would be that would probably.
Speaker 4: I feel like I have a couple. But I also
Speaker 4: like feel like it's not it's doing them a disservice
Speaker 4: to say that they didn't know.
Speaker 3: It, because I'm thinking of like Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4: Tech Joe Thomas, Like Joe Thomas was an absolute technician.
Speaker 5: That's one of them.
Speaker 3: I was thinking like Johnathan Ougden Orlando, like these guys
Speaker 3: were so good with their Trent Williams, you know, Trent
Speaker 3: Williams has a nasty street. Yeah, but he's such he's
Speaker 3: so good. He's almost never out of position. And you
Speaker 3: don't need to be you know what I mean, you
Speaker 3: don't need to be like one of these guys that's like.
Speaker 5: Playing to the right, right, right, a couple of shots.
Speaker 3: Guy, you're your favorite guy, Tyrone Smith.
Speaker 2: Right, he made it look easy. Yeah.
Speaker 3: When you're really good and you're really skilled, you don't
Speaker 3: like you're nasty.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, he made it look easy.
Speaker 3: But those guys were nasty to thank. Evan put it right.
Speaker 3: You don't want to give it's like a disservice to it.
Speaker 5: We always call the extra business in hockey, like the
Speaker 5: guys who there's this one senior defenseman who didn't play much,
Speaker 5: you know, and so he's always kind of scrappy and
Speaker 5: just every practice like man Whitey his name is John
Speaker 5: white White he's giving extra business, like in front of
Speaker 5: the nets, like just stop, what are you doing?
Speaker 4: You know, like just like the cross check.
Speaker 5: Yeah, h Whitey Yeah.
Speaker 2: Zach and Chelmsford, thank you. Thank you for the amazing
Speaker 2: coverage through the weekend. When we talk about uh Yakis
Speaker 2: being a violent edge player.
Speaker 4: What we're gonna get it right. We're going to get
Speaker 4: there and.
Speaker 2: Talk about Akis being a violent edge player. Can we
Speaker 2: break down what makes him different than key On White?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, light, Well, he's certainly lighter. I mean key On
Speaker 4: White was two hundred and eighty pounds. Acus is two sixty. Uh,
Speaker 4: you know, lighter, lighter on his feet.
Speaker 5: More bend to him.
Speaker 12: You know.
Speaker 4: Ke White was just very stiff.
Speaker 5: It was right into the you know, just bull rush
Speaker 5: every time and sometimes he got him, especially with guards.
Speaker 5: That's when he was affected, when he could run into
Speaker 5: a guy and just push him back into the quarterback.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean I wouldn't say that Akus is bendy,
Speaker 4: like he's not a speed rusher. He's not a bendy
Speaker 4: rusher necessarily.
Speaker 5: But agree, he's.
Speaker 4: Twenty pounds lighter than Keon White.
Speaker 2: He's eleven sacks last year. Kean White never had that
Speaker 2: no in his years.
Speaker 5: No, and he was and key On White was a project.
Speaker 4: He didn't know exactly was.
Speaker 2: He was going in and he remained that way.
Speaker 5: Did you guys watch him at all with with san
Speaker 5: fran I know he had a couple of places he
Speaker 5: got shot.
Speaker 2: I hope heah, But.
Speaker 5: It seemed like It wasn't like they unlocked them either.
Speaker 5: You know, I just he had a great face. He
Speaker 5: looked the part saw somebody first guy off the bus.
Speaker 5: But you know, it just did never add it.
Speaker 2: Up for me. Timmy California subject line, stop being nice
Speaker 2: to Elie. It looks like karen punty. You got it.
Speaker 2: It's not punty. Karenny was on the raidar of the
Speaker 2: Green Bay Packers. He barely played at Kansas before transferring
Speaker 2: to Wake Forest. Why didn't we pick Aiden Fisher from
Speaker 2: Indiana or Adam Randall from Clemson? Is Elliott making good decisions?
Speaker 4: I mean, they still have three more picks in the
Speaker 4: sixth round, so I'm not gonna get upset about something
Speaker 4: they haven't done yet. You know, let's see what their
Speaker 4: picks are in the sixth round. This pick was definitely
Speaker 4: a little bit weird. Now I'll go full Bellichick on you.
Speaker 4: It is the fifth round. The fifth round is the
Speaker 4: least valuable round of the entire draft. Why is that
Speaker 4: just a way to drop off works in the draft?
Speaker 4: You know, once you get outside the top one fifty,
Speaker 4: now you're in that as Deuce likes to call it,
Speaker 4: like a doughnut between like you know, guys that are
Speaker 4: UDFA grades and then guys that have late round grades
Speaker 4: on them. So it's the least valuable draft round. So
Speaker 4: there you go. There's your col Payton to the Eagles.
Speaker 4: Good luck, Philly, Howie, Howie.
Speaker 5: Just so I wasn't prepared for that.
Speaker 4: Bill always used to draft the special teamers in this round.
Speaker 4: You always used to draft his long snappers, covere bases
Speaker 4: like all that different type of stuff because it it, uh, analytically,
Speaker 4: is the least valuable round of the draft.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, interesting.
Speaker 4: We're almost out.
Speaker 5: I see then. This is such a familiar thing for
Speaker 5: me watching the draft when you finally see the little
Speaker 5: any at the end of the ticker and it's slowly.
Speaker 4: The problem is is that they have one and one
Speaker 4: ninety eight, so they have picks and quick session coming
Speaker 4: up here, then to twelve.
Speaker 3: So you're telling me we're going beyond four o'clock, aren't you.
Speaker 3: At least at least we should probably stay for those
Speaker 3: two picks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Butcher Dorchester assuming to get a J. Brown, a
Speaker 2: run stopping nose tackle, a linebacker, and a punter.
Speaker 3: A lot when they have left, I really don't want
Speaker 3: to draft.
Speaker 2: It's another thing, I get, what would you say then,
Speaker 2: is the biggest position. So here's the thing. Forget about
Speaker 2: the AJ Brown. If you're gonna get a run stopping
Speaker 2: nose tackle and free agency, okay, But if you think
Speaker 2: you're going to fill needs with what's left and they're
Speaker 2: gonna come in and play and make an impact this year,
Speaker 2: that's that's that's a reach. That's a reach just because
Speaker 2: you draft a position in the sixth or seventh round.
Speaker 2: That's not filling a need. That is not filling a need,
Speaker 2: that's just adding bodies to camp.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 4: Now this is for not filling needs at this point
Speaker 4: in the draft. Right now, if they draft somebody in
Speaker 4: the sixth round that people like me, then losers like
Speaker 4: me or Dane or whatever felt like were actually really
Speaker 4: good value in the sixth round. It happens. I mean,
Speaker 4: Booty and Pop are examples of guys that you know
Speaker 4: outperform their draft stock. So I'm not good sixth round value.
Speaker 4: Both of those. I don't write off the sixth round.
Speaker 4: And I mean, obviously Mike on Win who is great,
Speaker 4: Tom Brady is Tom Brady, you know, but uh, you
Speaker 4: know that it does happen.
Speaker 3: So I'm not, of course, draft Kaisham Booty and Tomario
Speaker 3: Douglas and say we address wide receiver.
Speaker 2: As of right now, as of this moment. If you
Speaker 2: feel the Patriots still have a need or needs, you're
Speaker 2: gonna have to do it in free agency if you
Speaker 2: want to help it this year. And it's probably not
Speaker 2: a permanent fix. It's just a band aid. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: so that's now all. Every once in a while you
Speaker 2: do find find that diamond in the rough in the
Speaker 2: late rounds and it happens, but it usually doesn't happen
Speaker 2: right away. It takes a year or so for that
Speaker 2: person to emerge.
Speaker 4: I would say it usually happens because of red flags
Speaker 4: that are outside of like their actual skill on the field.
Speaker 4: Pop Douglas went to Liberty. He's five foot eight, you know,
Speaker 4: slot receiver that went to Liberty and played out a
Speaker 4: smaller school. Kaishan Boudi had the ankle injury in college
Speaker 4: and had a bad way about things in college at LSU.
Speaker 4: So like Kaishan Boudi talent wise, was not a six
Speaker 4: round pick. He just had the ankle. He had some
Speaker 4: off feel stuff and so it knocks him down in
Speaker 4: the round to the sixth round. You know, if you
Speaker 4: take a fire. I mean, I'll give you an example.
Speaker 4: Harold Perkins hasn't been drafted yet. So if you take
Speaker 4: a fire on a guy like Carol Perkins in the
Speaker 4: sixth round, he might hit because he has the talent,
Speaker 4: he just has some question marks.
Speaker 5: Sorry, Fred, I was just gonna say, I just look
Speaker 5: real quick at like a current available nose tackles, and
Speaker 5: there's a bunch of old guys out there that you
Speaker 5: can get on a one year deal, like you know,
Speaker 5: DJ Readers of the World, day Kwon Jones. I mean,
Speaker 5: you know, nobody's going to be a long term edition,
Speaker 5: but much more to grab a guy like that on
Speaker 5: a one year deal.
Speaker 3: That's what Freddy was talking to.
Speaker 5: Draft right than to draft. Like you said, fred draft
Speaker 5: the sixth round.
Speaker 2: What they did with Tong, you.
Speaker 3: Can always get a nose Scotch. Well then that was
Speaker 3: but again, like Tongo was like a first day of
Speaker 3: free agency signing.
Speaker 5: This is like we can just get a guy. Yeah,
Speaker 5: Like I mean, he's probably gonna be thirty two and
Speaker 5: you know, not going to be the answer forever.
Speaker 4: But I still like some of the nose tackles. Yeah,
Speaker 4: like give me give that would would give me the
Speaker 4: Godfather and this X round don't need to nose tackle
Speaker 4: after that. He's got it about the blood clots. The
Speaker 4: blood clots, we'll just be.
Speaker 3: Making all kinds of derogatory comments about Italians and no
Speaker 3: get and my daughter's wedding, everybody asking everybody be doing
Speaker 3: stuff like that.
Speaker 4: You asked me to stop the run, you know, but
Speaker 4: we can't do that. Let's see what happens if it's
Speaker 4: another nationality.
Speaker 5: You can make fun of.
Speaker 3: The Scottish without repercussions that.
Speaker 4: I was gonna say, I'm Scottish.
Speaker 5: You can make fun of the Scottish all you want
Speaker 5: to boot snout.
Speaker 17: The world?
Speaker 2: Excuse me, Nedd in North Carolina, Little Neddy wants to
Speaker 2: go back to the draft. Did you put a patio
Speaker 2: swing chair on the list. It's a solid three for me.
Speaker 5: That's nice, that's relaxing.
Speaker 3: How about your I don't live in a mansion.
Speaker 5: No, you don't have anything that don't have room for
Speaker 5: a patio swing chair.
Speaker 3: No, But I I think you're also we you know,
Speaker 3: we need to make a distinction between indoor and outdoor
Speaker 3: furniture to yeah, and then like exactly we got to
Speaker 3: identify furniture. I'm not big on the TV as part
Speaker 3: of your furniture. Like it's a sofa, it's a love seat,
Speaker 3: it's a recliner, you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I will say I don't feel I've found the
Speaker 5: truly perfect piece of outdoor furniture that I really love
Speaker 5: and am comfortable and it can just go and sit
Speaker 5: out on the deck and relax, like I haven't found
Speaker 5: that thing.
Speaker 2: Like Paul puts his cushions in everything.
Speaker 5: I know, I respect. I can't do that now my cushions.
Speaker 2: So if you're not going to do that, you have
Speaker 2: to buy like these the furniture.
Speaker 3: I don't put the cushions in every night I put
Speaker 3: I put a cover over the whole sofa every night.
Speaker 3: Yeah it doesn't get it's ridiculous, But I don't put
Speaker 3: the correct the cushions in.
Speaker 2: All right, Well you cover them up every night.
Speaker 4: I don't want. I don't let them get wet every.
Speaker 2: It's a responsibility.
Speaker 4: I wish furniture, But then you sit on there, you
Speaker 4: get soaked.
Speaker 5: I know if I respect it, But what I'm.
Speaker 2: Saying, you're right, come on, and that's what happens because
Speaker 2: I have the cheap pillows, but if you buy the
Speaker 2: really expensive pillows, the water just wicks right off. They don't.
Speaker 2: It doesn't absorb.
Speaker 3: So I have like a little mold, right, I have
Speaker 3: a little bar set it like it's like the wicker material.
Speaker 3: When that gets wet, it doesn't feel like it's wet,
Speaker 3: but it's sod. You sit on that, you got to
Speaker 3: like tip it and all the water comes out, but
Speaker 3: then it drives up right away once you do that,
Speaker 3: but then you sit down, you get that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but no one likes the questions I have, Like
Speaker 2: they're supposed to be water resistant, they're not water proof,
Speaker 2: and if it really rains, they're gonna get wet and
Speaker 2: it takes you have to take them and put them
Speaker 2: on their edge and wait for them to dry out.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Right, that's what they make these really. Like the cushions
Speaker 2: are like over three hundred dollars each water and the
Speaker 2: water just doing plasts like a rain.
Speaker 5: Are they comfortable is like plastic?
Speaker 2: No, no, no, it's not plastic. It's it's but but
Speaker 2: like I said, if you have a couch with three
Speaker 2: cushions and three back cushions, that's that's you know, yeah, six.
Speaker 5: Times you're speaking my language.
Speaker 4: Struggle, I know.
Speaker 5: And then there's like leaves get blown in and it's
Speaker 5: all gross. I wish I had a cover to do
Speaker 5: it like you do, because so much time I spent.
Speaker 5: I want to go sit outside. Oh it rained yesterday,
Speaker 5: they're sopping. I got to do Freds thing and flip
Speaker 5: them on the side.
Speaker 3: And you have a like one of those little outdoor
Speaker 3: kind of gazebo things, not like not a permanent not
Speaker 3: I don't know why your mind.
Speaker 4: Goes there talking.
Speaker 2: The cow is a cover.
Speaker 3: There is a cover over and then I put a
Speaker 3: cover on top of the like thet I don't really
Speaker 3: think that that's that rare.
Speaker 5: No, I think it's smart. But I wish I wish
Speaker 5: I had that.
Speaker 3: But now most overrated outdoor furniture is the adiron deck chair.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, uncomfortable. Comfortable, thank you Fred. Uncomfort.
Speaker 5: I need an outdoor recliner that's like weather proof and
Speaker 5: that I can.
Speaker 4: Just sit and relax.
Speaker 5: And I it's the couches are too small.
Speaker 2: Things are too You guys have fire pits.
Speaker 4: I do.
Speaker 3: I have a gas fire pit.
Speaker 5: A gas fire now, yeah, I got a fire it's
Speaker 5: got like a glass.
Speaker 2: Top yeah, I have one of those with the pebbles
Speaker 2: in it.
Speaker 5: But the glass, the blue.
Speaker 4: Glass does it give off heat.
Speaker 3: A little heat, but you don't use it for heat.
Speaker 3: It's just kind of like Beyonce.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's it's more.
Speaker 5: Like it's the mood.
Speaker 3: It's more like a bunch of college kids sitting around.
Speaker 4: And at my house right like just to annoy me.
Speaker 4: I just like the fire pit because then you smelled
Speaker 4: like fire.
Speaker 5: So that's the good part of the game. You don't smell.
Speaker 3: I don't smell because that's a smell you can't get
Speaker 3: rid of, like three days.
Speaker 4: If you like, if you have a hoodie.
Speaker 3: At a like you forget that, you'd have to wash
Speaker 3: it three times.
Speaker 4: You get the.
Speaker 5: Smell out of it.
Speaker 4: The smell is good.
Speaker 5: I do like burn there, like.
Speaker 3: When you when you sit around the fire. I like
Speaker 3: that smell. I don't like the way I smell. The
Speaker 3: next day, you kept just sitting around.
Speaker 4: Winter as much as you get I was thinking, like,
Speaker 4: when you know you smell like fire instead of smelling
Speaker 4: like booze.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I know what he was doing. You were
Speaker 3: burning down the woods, and Heaven was out back smoking
Speaker 3: evil whoa so I was.
Speaker 5: I was, and I just drank. No, I appreciate it.
Speaker 4: When you were in high school, eighteen was the drinking age, So.
Speaker 5: That is not true.
Speaker 4: That is not true.
Speaker 2: But it was a good, good shot, A good shot.
Speaker 5: I believed I was when you might have been.
Speaker 2: Changed while I was in high school. So geez. So
Speaker 2: the night before it happened where your grandfather there, carry
Speaker 2: convinced my mother to buy us ten cases of beer
Speaker 2: and we went down to Smuggler's Beach and sold them,
Speaker 2: you know, one bottle at a time for two bucks each,
Speaker 2: and made a fortune that night.
Speaker 3: Smart I always had an angle.
Speaker 5: Smart I thought he was going to say, and that
Speaker 5: was my beer for the next two years.
Speaker 2: Job.
Speaker 4: He's always scheming, you know, because this.
Speaker 2: Man evans explanation for why fifth round picks so less
Speaker 2: valuable than later round picks didn't really add up. Is
Speaker 2: the idea that fifth rounders cost noticeably more than six
Speaker 2: rounders without offering a meaningfully higher chance of success.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it just the talent has just leveled off at
Speaker 4: this point of the draft.
Speaker 2: But you're paying more for them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, And so you left that part out, Okay,
Speaker 4: But it's not like a tremendous amount more. It's not
Speaker 4: all I know is and I've probably done the better
Speaker 4: job of explaining it. But all I know is is
Speaker 4: that Bill used to always draft the special teamers in
Speaker 4: the fifth round.
Speaker 3: And I would say, and has been outspoken in favor
Speaker 3: of what Evans is.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and every argument that he used to use of
Speaker 4: the reason why he did that is because it was
Speaker 4: analytically the least valuable round of the draft.
Speaker 3: The two rounds Bill always talked about as being sort
Speaker 3: of different with the third round. In the fifth round,
Speaker 3: the third round, he used to say, oftentimes had a
Speaker 3: lot of first round talent in it that had questions,
Speaker 3: whether it be injuries, character issues, you know, some kind
Speaker 3: of weird circumstance that caused a guy that had the
Speaker 3: talent to go in the first round to drop to
Speaker 3: the third round and the fifth round. I just think
Speaker 3: was more about what Evan's talking about in terms of value.
Speaker 3: I don't know exactly why it was. Maybe it is
Speaker 3: money related, but I don't like, is there really that
Speaker 3: great of a difference salary wise between a fifth and
Speaker 3: sixth rounder.
Speaker 2: R So Cahol and Galway Ireland has the same question,
Speaker 2: doesn't understand the logic why it's easier to find value
Speaker 2: in the sixth round in the fifth round. It's because
Speaker 2: of the way you have to pay fifth rounders as
Speaker 2: opposed to six rounders.
Speaker 4: But I'll do some more actual reasoning behind this for
Speaker 4: Tuesday's PU and we I'll have a better rationale for it.
Speaker 4: I've always just kind of taken Bill Belichick and other
Speaker 4: people smarter than me at their words for it.
Speaker 2: Go into one of those gbt's and say, what's the
Speaker 2: most valuable round in the NFL? What's the least valuable
Speaker 2: round in the NFL?
Speaker 5: All right, so let me do this.
Speaker 2: Well, while you're doing that, we'll go to Noah in Toronto.
Speaker 2: What's up?
Speaker 5: Noah?
Speaker 2: Noah? You there?
Speaker 9: Can you hear me?
Speaker 2: Yep? We can?
Speaker 18: Okay, Yeah, thanks for all the content. So one thing
Speaker 18: I've been reading a lot about Kaleb low move is
Speaker 18: that is not a nasty enough player. And I was
Speaker 18: wondering if you guys think that's a legitimate concern or
Speaker 18: is that kind of just a heart oh coach thing,
Speaker 18: because I don't know, in my mind, is like a
Speaker 18: feaking blostake in front of him. I don't care if
Speaker 18: he needs him in the kary and after you get them.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 4: Think that maybe, like when you talk about like nasty
Speaker 4: and finish, we're talking about play strength. It's not I'm
Speaker 4: not saying that he's got to go and like beat
Speaker 4: people up right, I'm talking about, you know, can he
Speaker 4: eight movement in the run game? Can he get on
Speaker 4: a block? And can he drive a guy off the ball.
Speaker 4: You know, I didn't necessarily see that kind of power
Speaker 4: in the run game to him. Doesn't mean he can't
Speaker 4: and can't eventually get to that point. I'm not necessarily
Speaker 4: talking about like he's going out there and.
Speaker 5: It's a great, great description, That's what I agree. It's
Speaker 5: I think you get lost in the you know, is
Speaker 5: he does he know the stuff that people loved about
Speaker 5: Will Campbell early last year when he was driving guys
Speaker 5: into the ground you're going to play in.
Speaker 3: The preseason game when he dreve drove a guy like
Speaker 3: ten yards down field, like that's just kind of a
Speaker 3: nasty streak.
Speaker 4: Like, you know, I'm not saying that you have to
Speaker 4: have now, but.
Speaker 5: It's it's evansing because that directs directly correlates to play
Speaker 5: in the position.
Speaker 3: I think nasty a lot of times gets confused with dirty,
Speaker 3: and I don't think it's the same due to anyway.
Speaker 5: Are you just did.
Speaker 4: Microsoft co pilot on this program?
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay.
Speaker 3: The fifth round is an average of four point six
Speaker 3: million to full point seven eight over four years, the
Speaker 3: same sound as four point four million to four point
Speaker 3: six million over four years. So it's not a money
Speaker 3: to make. It's not a money thing, and they're not
Speaker 3: guaranteed in either regard, so it's that's not it's not
Speaker 3: a lot.
Speaker 2: I don't I don't have research on this, because logically,
Speaker 2: the higher you pick the person, the better they should be.
Speaker 3: Maybe there's more chances taken in the fifth The only
Speaker 3: other thing.
Speaker 4: That I can think of is that. And I don't
Speaker 4: know if I don't think this is the case as
Speaker 4: much anymore. But the Patriots used to have a notoriously
Speaker 4: small draft board like they used to have under Bill.
Speaker 4: They might only have like like one hundred guys on
Speaker 4: the entire draft board. Most teams have like double that,
Speaker 4: So maybe at this point in the draft they kind
Speaker 4: of have run out of draftable players could be, and
Speaker 4: so they're looking at it saying, you know.
Speaker 2: Depends on how big the ructors close one of your
Speaker 2: guys do those Internet, Yeah, I don't. I mean, I
Speaker 2: think he's more of an upfield kind of guy.
Speaker 5: You know that he's not going to be the nose tip.
Speaker 5: But you know, I pulled this tweet up. I think
Speaker 5: you referenced earlier Paul Hall of famers by what round
Speaker 5: they were drafted. I thought this was interesting a little
Speaker 5: bit into the reference. Uh, first rounders one hundred and
Speaker 5: thirty seven, second rounders, thirty eight, third rounders, twenty eight,
Speaker 5: fourth rounders, twelve, fifth round, eight, sixth round, four, seventh round, ten,
Speaker 5: eighth round, and later twenty eight. Of course, draft used
Speaker 5: to be a lot longer and undrafted twenty two. Yeah,
Speaker 5: so I.
Speaker 3: Would just say, like the eighth round and later in
Speaker 3: the undrafted there's a lot more of those, yeah, right
Speaker 3: than first rounders.
Speaker 13: Do you know?
Speaker 3: There's an infinite amount of undrafted free agents that can
Speaker 3: make the league. Every year, there's only thirty two first
Speaker 3: round picks that make.
Speaker 5: The yep so, but yeah, yeah, about one hundred and
Speaker 5: thirty seven in the first round, and then you drop
Speaker 5: the thirty eight and that's a big drop. That's a
Speaker 5: hugeho that's one hundred, one hundred guys. Yeah, ninety nine.
Speaker 2: The draft used to be what twelve rounds back in
Speaker 2: the day?
Speaker 5: Is that?
Speaker 2: Ever?
Speaker 3: When there were times it was even longer than that.
Speaker 3: But I mean, was the eighth round pick?
Speaker 2: Was it?
Speaker 4: Was it seven when you started here?
Speaker 2: Was it down to seven when you started?
Speaker 3: I think it was down to seven when I started. Yeah,
Speaker 3: Troy was ninety three, and I think it was shortly
Speaker 3: after that they cut it to seven. I think the
Speaker 3: first draft that I covered was seven.
Speaker 5: Be a long show.
Speaker 2: Did you know that the New England well I think
Speaker 2: it was the Boston Patriots back then, drafted fran Tarkenton. Really, yeah,
Speaker 2: he chose to go to the Giants.
Speaker 5: You know, it was another interesting one. I didn't know
Speaker 5: they drafted with Steve McMichael Mungo. I knew that was
Speaker 5: a huge part of the Chicago Bears, and I was
Speaker 5: like what, I didn't realize that, And then it seemed
Speaker 5: like he never quite caught on here. They didn't quite
Speaker 5: get his personality. Then he went to Chicago he was
Speaker 5: able to be part of that great forty six defense,
Speaker 5: And yeah, that was that was one, because I mean
Speaker 5: they he was out of there in like two years.
Speaker 5: It was you know and went on to this great career.
Speaker 2: All right, so where are we? Taylor Green, just Tyl Green,
Speaker 2: first pick of the sixth round.
Speaker 3: Oh, put a tent on that quarterback circus.
Speaker 2: Wow they picked another quarterback. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4: They just they feel like if they're gonna just throw
Speaker 4: as many darts at that position and like maybe they'll
Speaker 4: get Tom Brady and you know, I feel like that's
Speaker 4: their mindset.
Speaker 5: There's Paul's guy, Cole Peyton doesn't look like he's throwing it.
Speaker 4: I mean that looks like a pretty good throw.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he actually looks like he has big arms,
Speaker 3: great biceps.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I got a feeling like six seventh round, you're
Speaker 2: gonna see some weird picks from a lot of different teams.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm curious. It's just kind of glad to see.
Speaker 5: We've got two Anny's on the tracker right now.
Speaker 3: So Dud's just tracking the Ay.
Speaker 4: I love that Now.
Speaker 5: I think back to the days I really did enjoy
Speaker 5: the draft when it was the weekend and you know,
Speaker 5: I would just make a weekend out of it and
Speaker 5: make food and have friends come over, and you just
Speaker 5: kind of the excuse to just sit there and eat
Speaker 5: food and kind of started when they fread it was
Speaker 5: the Saturday Sunday. It was you know, it was one,
Speaker 5: two and three on Saturday and then four to seven
Speaker 5: on Sunday. When I was a kid, it was during
Speaker 5: the week, during the day, and that's when I went
Speaker 5: all Evan, yeah, and I geeked out and I used
Speaker 5: to fake being sick so I could stay home from
Speaker 5: school and watch the draft.
Speaker 3: I did it twice, all know. My father caught on
Speaker 3: the second he did, yeah, yeah, the draft today. Second
Speaker 3: because I would do it, you know, my father would
Speaker 3: go to work and then I would go to my mother,
Speaker 3: I'm not feeling well, and I would stay, you know,
Speaker 3: would just sit in my room and watch the draft
Speaker 3: all day. He pulled the first and then the second
Speaker 3: year when that happened again. You know, my so my
Speaker 3: father's gone, doesn't realize it's happened, and he was like,
Speaker 3: wait a minute, you did this last year too, No,
Speaker 3: I know what you're doing. And that was it was yeah,
Speaker 3: I think we took Evan would have been like that,
Speaker 3: that's my boy. Like Tony Collins in the second round.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, I might have been like the
Speaker 3: tip draft too.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: It was in that era it was like eighty two,
Speaker 4: eighty three.
Speaker 3: Somewhere in that vicented some good drafts and you know,
Speaker 3: faking being sick to watch the draft. I've told this
Speaker 3: story before, but I'd never forget just the thought of
Speaker 3: my brain and being like, it'd be so cool to
Speaker 3: be able to like sit in front of the computer
Speaker 3: and just be on the Internet and be on my computer.
Speaker 5: While I'm on the TV. You know it's hard line
Speaker 5: dial up. You know you'd have to be over in.
Speaker 2: The other room.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, right, right, but you know the imagination of
Speaker 5: Wi Fi being like, that'd be so cool. You know,
Speaker 5: I can like do my little blogs and everything.
Speaker 2: I have to be honest, I wouldn't you. I wouldn't
Speaker 2: even have known when the draft was until after college.
Speaker 3: Ye Now, where to contemplate to miss the draft?
Speaker 2: I swear, I I it's too busy playing sports.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, I didn't watch it before like two thousand
Speaker 5: and six.
Speaker 4: I mean, it wasn't like I was watching in two
Speaker 4: thousand and six and I was like ten, yeah, no.
Speaker 3: Well that's like I was. Yeah, I was like it
Speaker 3: was when I really got into the pool. It wasn't
Speaker 3: like I'm a fan of the league and I want
Speaker 3: to see where I two thousand and six, I'd say,
Speaker 3: is where I really watching the draft?
Speaker 5: Sitting there?
Speaker 4: You know, I would say, yeah, like fourth or fifth grade.
Speaker 4: And then back then, like that's when like they started
Speaker 4: having the YouTube stuff for like Draft breakdown and stuff
Speaker 4: like that, and they would just have these cutups of
Speaker 4: players TV copy where I was just like four or
Speaker 4: five minutes of just all their snaps and you could
Speaker 4: just watch the guy play a game all the way through.
Speaker 4: And I used to just all sit there and just
Speaker 4: watch like as many guys as I possibly could. I
Speaker 4: didn't like take notes or anything back then. I just
Speaker 4: like knowing the names and schools and stuff like that.
Speaker 5: But you get like the I mean, there wasn't the
Speaker 5: prolific draft coverage you had on the internet, but you
Speaker 5: get that like Draft magazine finally, and you know going
Speaker 5: through that. I would love that, but I getting when
Speaker 5: that would finally hit the news stand. I'd be so
Speaker 5: excited to, you know, go through the prospects.
Speaker 4: Yeah, back then, like you know, guys like Mel Kuiper
Speaker 4: and I know he gets a lot of credit for
Speaker 4: this from everybody, but like he you know, he obviously
Speaker 4: started it. Well you know, he was one.
Speaker 2: Of the first, was one of the best.
Speaker 3: Joe Joel Buschbomb was a scout, though mel Kuiper is
Speaker 3: the first one to just sort of do it as.
Speaker 2: Like a hobby but had his own book.
Speaker 3: But he was a scout. He was actually in the NFL.
Speaker 3: I heard an internet thing about mel Kiper, Joel Bush
Speaker 3: Bill Joel. Because of that, he used to talk to
Speaker 3: us until he didn't anymore.
Speaker 5: I saw some footage of like early mel Kiper. I
Speaker 5: forget what I was watching, but uh, and somebody was
Speaker 5: talking about how you cover the draft, and I thought
Speaker 5: it was really interesting because of you know, all of
Speaker 5: our processes that they're talent evaluators and then there are
Speaker 5: information gatherers, you know, and I feel like, you know,
Speaker 5: Evan leans hard into talent evaluation. He watches the players
Speaker 5: and he you know, whereas and I do a dabble
Speaker 5: in that. But I'd say I'm more of an information gatherer.
Speaker 5: I like to look at different people. I you know,
Speaker 5: find traits that I like or guys that you know,
Speaker 5: maybe have some keywords that this is the kind of
Speaker 5: guy you might be. Now. I watch him a little bit,
Speaker 5: but that was an interesting way to kind of look
Speaker 5: at it, and they were saying, you know, mel kiper
Speaker 5: initially more of an information gatherer.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because back then there was no.
Speaker 5: Internet, you know, and it's a guy who's talking to
Speaker 5: everybody and getting the opinion rather than you know, there's
Speaker 5: a couple of different ways to kind of approach it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: To me, like, if you're not watching him play, then
Speaker 2: you're not scouting, I think, because you're if you're relying
Speaker 2: on other people's words, whether they're written or verbal, it's
Speaker 2: too subjective. You have to see it with your eyes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and I understand and that, you know, some
Speaker 4: people might think that I don't have the expertise or
Speaker 4: they don't have the expertise to be able to watch
Speaker 4: it and give an opinion, but I do. That's how
Speaker 4: I do it, And like my rankings like I that
Speaker 4: I put together, uh that we publish, Like I don't know,
Speaker 4: I'm not always right in terms of predicting the draft
Speaker 4: in the order that the players come off the board,
Speaker 4: but like I'm actually kind of more interested to see
Speaker 4: if I'm going to be right in two to three
Speaker 4: years and then being right like, oh, this guy went
Speaker 4: in the in the third round and Evan had him
Speaker 4: in the seventh round, like, well, maybe I they overdrafted it.
Speaker 2: I thought he was going to be a good football
Speaker 2: player and he ended up being a good football.
Speaker 5: Or bad you know.
Speaker 4: Definitely plenty of the on the other direction too, But
Speaker 4: I would say Barth like it does more trying to
Speaker 4: predict what the league is going to do, you know.
Speaker 2: Like he's more more of a game.
Speaker 4: He's more of the information gathering side where he wants
Speaker 4: to get it right in terms of the you know,
Speaker 4: projecting where the league is going to draft the players.
Speaker 5: I agree with you.
Speaker 3: I would rather just try to see I can identify
Speaker 3: what's going to be a good player, like I remember,
Speaker 3: you know, just like the individual players that come around.
Speaker 3: And I was like, I really liked that guy, Like
Speaker 3: Randall Cobb was a guy like back and I was like,
Speaker 3: I really liked the way that guy isn't Like the
Speaker 3: first game he played for Green Bay, I think he
Speaker 3: had like two touchdowns. I was like, bang, look, I
Speaker 3: was I was psyched because like this is a guy that,
Speaker 3: you know, not like a top five pick.
Speaker 2: It's like Day two kind of guy.
Speaker 3: That guy's got some skills, he can play, he can
Speaker 3: do some things in the slot and you know whatever,
Speaker 3: That's what I would be more interested in if I
Speaker 3: was doing it as a hobby, like you know, like
Speaker 3: Fretz's Bushbomb. I'm actually looking up his thing here. You're
Speaker 3: kind of right, Fred I was wrong. He never really
Speaker 3: had a job in the NFL. He worked at Pro
Speaker 3: Football Weekly, right, and was kind of a draft guy.
Speaker 3: So he was different than mel Kiper in that he
Speaker 3: actually worked, and Kiper kind of just did it on
Speaker 3: his own. But neither of them was ever an actual
Speaker 3: scout and worked. He's I thought he was more Gil
Speaker 3: Brandt pushbomb, but he wasn't. He just he was like
Speaker 3: the editor. I like Pro Football Weekly.
Speaker 2: I got somebody mad here who really like Joe Bush
Speaker 2: bumbas that he lives in the basement of his mother's house.
Speaker 2: That was the wrong. Pro Football Weekly was a pretty
Speaker 2: good rag back, is that that little one? There was
Speaker 2: always a magazine.
Speaker 5: It was like three quarter size, it was, I remember
Speaker 5: that one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And actually he had the best one.
Speaker 2: And actually Patrios Football Weekly. Yeah, the font is kind
Speaker 2: of stolen from Football Weekly. I wanted it to look
Speaker 2: like that so people would have that feeling.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah when they read it. That's funny.
Speaker 2: I remember that little It's yeah yeah pamphlet. And then
Speaker 2: then Pro Football Weekly had a show that sometimes you
Speaker 2: could watch on Saturday night at eleven thirty if you're
Speaker 2: a loser, And I.
Speaker 4: Think that's still on Pro.
Speaker 5: Football Weekly, Yeah, with like Artcush Cush.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And there's one of the former Chicago Bears I think
Speaker 3: is on I think Wantstead is on it, Dave Wanstead.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Let's go to the phones. Randy's in Providence. What's up,
Speaker 2: Randy guy?
Speaker 17: How's it going to the first off, I just want
Speaker 17: to say I love gay back as as a pick,
Speaker 17: Like he's got the size, athleticism and like at the
Speaker 17: edge Russia position production translates from college usually, you know,
Speaker 17: I just really feel good about that pick. I want
Speaker 17: to ask you guys about these upcoming picks here. We
Speaker 17: still need a guard. What do you guys think about
Speaker 17: Jaden Roberts or Anez Cooper? And then like also on
Speaker 17: the offensive line, do you really think that the team
Speaker 17: is like so stuck on proving Will Campbell's a left
Speaker 17: tackle not a right tackle or anything else that they
Speaker 17: wouldn't consider switching him because look, it just philosophically the
Speaker 17: guy who's a really good pass protector but not a
Speaker 17: great run blocker, usually on the left. The guy who's
Speaker 17: a mean run blocker but not the best pass protector,
Speaker 17: usually on the right. So like just you know, I mean,
Speaker 17: for like.
Speaker 8: The entirety of the time that I've been watching.
Speaker 17: Football, that's basically been true. You know, why wouldn't they
Speaker 17: consider a swap ultimately if that's you know, with with
Speaker 17: having draft drafted, but let's say a great pass protector,
Speaker 17: I would hope, I.
Speaker 2: Would hope in a worst case they would consider everything.
Speaker 4: Oh and I think.
Speaker 5: They would be.
Speaker 4: And Elliot Wolf and Mike Rabell both said, well, if
Speaker 4: we can get a better left tackle than Will Campbell,
Speaker 4: then he'll play. But they just didn't feel the reason
Speaker 4: why other than putting a vote of confidence behind Will Campbell,
Speaker 4: is because they didn't feel like they were going to
Speaker 4: do better than the fourth overall pick in the draft
Speaker 4: at left tackle. Now, if maybe Lomu ends up being better,
Speaker 4: but you know, I think that's why, you know, to
Speaker 4: Randy's question, like why in terms of the styles and
Speaker 4: stuff like that, Well, if Will Campbell is just a
Speaker 4: better player then Lomu, then you're not going to make
Speaker 4: Will Campbell play out of position, you know, on the
Speaker 4: right side, just to accommodate Lomu. That that wouldn't make
Speaker 4: any sense.
Speaker 3: And I just I just don't think they'll be stubborn.
Speaker 3: Me neither if they, you know, if they were probably
Speaker 3: more stubborn than them about they watched these guys play
Speaker 3: for a year and they think one's better than the other.
Speaker 3: I don't think they're going to say, well, no, right,
Speaker 3: we're going to play the guy who's inferior. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: think they'll make the move.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I just I think you somewhat throw the needs
Speaker 5: out at this point. I mean a little bit. But
Speaker 5: it's more who.
Speaker 2: Do you like?
Speaker 5: Who do you think has some kind of chance to
Speaker 5: find a role on this team? Not hey, we really
Speaker 5: need to guard. We don't love this guy doesn't really fit,
Speaker 5: but let's just take him anyway. At this point, these
Speaker 5: guys are long shots anyway.
Speaker 2: Yep. So we're closing in. Looks like the Jets are
Speaker 2: on the clock. Three or four picks away, yep. Then
Speaker 2: Bengals and Saints than Patriots at one Jets.
Speaker 5: Pick us in.
Speaker 3: So moving along almost there. So we have Pistons lost again.
Speaker 5: Did they really yeah.
Speaker 3: Red soots one today seventeen to one, Freddy.
Speaker 2: There we go.
Speaker 5: See they're like, you know what, no more of this
Speaker 5: showing hot?
Speaker 2: How did Roman Holiday do?
Speaker 3: He's sad again, said as Jim Murray would call him,
Speaker 3: Roman Garoppolo took the day.
Speaker 2: Off, Roman, I call him?
Speaker 4: Why is he injury? Is just like four games? Then
Speaker 4: last year? Was it like obleaque or something like that? Yeah, No,
Speaker 4: I watched the end of the Celtics game when last
Speaker 4: night had it recorded, and uh, Jaylen Brown and Jason Tatum,
Speaker 4: I mean they probably shouldn't be in a game that's
Speaker 4: that closed against the Sixers in the first round of
Speaker 4: the playoffs, to be honest, but uh, they they closed
Speaker 4: that game out. They they took over the game.
Speaker 5: Big three by U.
Speaker 3: Yeah, actually a big pull up by Jalen Brown too
Speaker 3: to make it a two school game and then a
Speaker 3: dagger three by Tatum to end it.
Speaker 4: Dagger did he? Was he alpha enough for people on
Speaker 4: that one pound on the chest? Like was that did
Speaker 4: he show enough the whole look at the hand. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's just that's a silly Yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't, I don't, it's oh my god, Mike, that's
Speaker 3: wrong with my hand, it is not sexy.
Speaker 2: Chad's in Los Angeles. Hey Chad, Yeah good?
Speaker 6: And Hey, just about the signal. When I use the app,
Speaker 6: I have a very clear signal.
Speaker 16: But when I just called you guys, you guys sound like.
Speaker 6: You're still working on Netscape.
Speaker 5: So I think that's fatigue.
Speaker 16: Yeah, yeah, you're you're I mean, he's sound very like digitized.
Speaker 16: Uh gut role. But let me ask my question.
Speaker 8: Then I'll get off the call.
Speaker 6: And you know, just if that's helpful for you guys
Speaker 6: to tech support purposes, I don't know, but okay, so.
Speaker 16: Here's my question. The guy that just called a little
Speaker 16: while ago, he was talking about little Cammell and how
Speaker 16: dedicated we are, you know or not to him, and
Speaker 16: it made me kind of reflect on last year a
Speaker 16: little bit. And you know, we obviously we made it
Speaker 16: a super Bowl.
Speaker 6: That's awesome, but you know, we kind of beat up
Speaker 6: on the weaker guys because of our schedule, and then
Speaker 6: when we got to the tougher teams, you know, our
Speaker 6: product duty really dropped out. So this spear is going
Speaker 6: to be a lot harder. And it kind of made
Speaker 6: me think about that little Campbell saying like, do you
Speaker 6: guys really think that we are like really dedicated to
Speaker 6: him as our left tackle and that he's going to
Speaker 6: have the jump that we need.
Speaker 16: And how much do you think we're improving so far?
Speaker 16: And I guess on that note, let's pretend we have
Speaker 16: agent Brown.
Speaker 6: I guess yeah, okay, well, all right, the call clear line?
Speaker 2: All right, thanks Chad.
Speaker 3: The issues with your cell phone?
Speaker 2: Your cell phone is not too great either. Well, I guess, first,
Speaker 2: are they that dedicated?
Speaker 3: I thought, But every time they've been asked, they emphatically
Speaker 3: say that, Well, I don't know what else you can
Speaker 3: do without playing and showing it. But at this time
Speaker 3: of year, you just keep saying he's.
Speaker 5: Our left tackle, and you know, fino, he said. Loaneo
Speaker 5: said that Will Campbell was the first person to text him,
Speaker 5: so clearly, Will Campbell, I would, was right on the
Speaker 5: cutting edge of that decision and had his number and
Speaker 5: was ready to go right away. So yeah, but I
Speaker 5: just again, I don't think that they're going to be
Speaker 5: stupid and they're gonna be stubborn about it. But to
Speaker 5: Paul's point that he made at the top of the
Speaker 5: first show that look, you've got an athletic.
Speaker 4: Kid that I don't know.
Speaker 5: Will Camble might just get hurt, like, he might just
Speaker 5: get hurt like and you're going to need an athletic tackle,
Speaker 5: so you know there's that factor too.
Speaker 4: It's too bad to Will Campbell got hurt. I'd like
Speaker 4: to say that at least we could have like done
Speaker 4: this on like an even playing field.
Speaker 3: And I'm gonna apologize because I like, now all of
Speaker 3: a sudden, we're getting a lot of calls on it
Speaker 3: because of that email that started this, and I didn't like.
Speaker 3: I think it's a non factor today. I don't think
Speaker 3: it's really much. Every time that Rabel and Elliott Wolf
Speaker 3: have been asked about it, it's emphatic he's the left tackle.
Speaker 3: Evan might be right, that might be a vote of confidence,
Speaker 3: But I would be stunned if we go to OTA's
Speaker 3: in a couple of weeks and they line up for
Speaker 3: any kind of a formation and Will Campbell's not the
Speaker 3: left tackle. It'd be flat out stunning to see that
Speaker 3: when they play this year. If it doesn't go well
Speaker 3: and then they have then we can have these conversations.
Speaker 3: But right now, I think it is premature to back Evans.
Speaker 3: I'm not backing off of our conversation. But yeah, to
Speaker 3: your side of it right now, it's not I don't
Speaker 3: think worth it.
Speaker 4: And that's all I was trying to say to it.
Speaker 4: Just it feels a little bit premature to.
Speaker 5: Be I think we're going to have a trade.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I think they traded out of the pick the Patriots. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I traded out.
Speaker 3: Oh that's not what we're looking for. That's adding picks,
Speaker 3: not far.
Speaker 5: Though far now, and now they're going to have to
Speaker 5: before their next pick.
Speaker 4: Basically, So I.
Speaker 3: Did see the Jets took that guard that someone.
Speaker 4: Just says yes, yeah, and as Cooper bigger guard, another
Speaker 4: like nasty road grading type of guard.
Speaker 2: Glass eater glass a lot about It's weird.
Speaker 4: About sometimes though with those guys. Friend is like he
Speaker 4: was he played really high, so even though he was
Speaker 4: like yeah, you could tell that he was big. Now
Speaker 4: though he's big, and he played a lot with a
Speaker 4: lot of raw power, Like a lot of those guys
Speaker 4: don't create as much movement because of their pad level.
Speaker 4: You know, we're talking about wrestling and leverage yesterday, they
Speaker 4: just aren't getting underneath guys and pushing them back. Paul's
Speaker 4: upset because we just added more picks. It's okay, Paul,
Speaker 4: It's okay, Alex.
Speaker 5: This is the prototypical you're not doing low movie.
Speaker 12: What do you mean?
Speaker 3: This is the prototypical Belichick trade just for the sake
Speaker 3: of trading.
Speaker 4: Okay. Can we just tell the trade now because we've
Speaker 4: been talking about it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So and two forty five be the picks.
Speaker 2: So we gave up one ninety one.
Speaker 5: So yeah, we just did going down to to what
Speaker 5: one ninety six? So I think that one ninety six
Speaker 5: and one ninety eight now be with Tennessee I believe
Speaker 5: a Jaguars. Yeah, and then they'll have two forty five
Speaker 5: and two forty seven as well. So now they have
Speaker 5: five more picks, three six rounds and two seventh rounders
Speaker 5: twelve two forty five and two forty seven.
Speaker 2: Okay, so we'll we'll hang out until one ninety six
Speaker 2: and one ninety eight.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that coming up quick.
Speaker 2: See what's gonna go on a lot of emails coming in.
Speaker 16: Uh.
Speaker 2: The most interesting Patriots fan of the world says, if
Speaker 2: furniture is inanimate objects that are easily moved, as deusyndicated,
Speaker 2: I'm still taking Will Campbell first in the furniture draft.
Speaker 5: Oh oh, does the chair have long enough arms for you, though?
Speaker 4: Is that?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: What a tremendous draft, Robert Rights.
Speaker 2: I have one hundred percent lied to my family friends
Speaker 2: that employed to stay home and watch the draft. Now
Speaker 2: I do house chores with my earbuds in because I
Speaker 2: have all what I have? You all watching it for me? Oh?
Speaker 5: There you go. I don't know, did you, guys ever
Speaker 5: any other reason you skipped schoo I remember I skipped
Speaker 5: school once when I was like in elementary school because
Speaker 5: it was my little sister's birthday and there she was
Speaker 5: having like a party. She was like a four years
Speaker 5: old and I wanted to hang out for cake. So
Speaker 5: I don't feel so good, mom, that's a real fat kid.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's see Tim wrights in, he said, Fred, be
Speaker 2: patient with me. Who would you rather pick a six two,
Speaker 2: one hundred and ninety four pound cornerback who ran a
Speaker 2: four four five forty yard dash and played in the
Speaker 2: Big twelve and sac or a six', one one hundred
Speaker 2: and ninety two cornerback safety who ran a four to
Speaker 2: two seven and played in the college in THE cfp
Speaker 2: in The big.
Speaker 5: Ten On day, THREE i have no.
Speaker 4: Idea this is obviously two people that exist.
Speaker 2: In, Right.
Speaker 3: But you're giving me nothing about players LIKE i can
Speaker 3: give you a guy who walks down the street and
Speaker 3: has those? Measurables has he ever played down a football
Speaker 3: in his? LIFE i don't know who was talking.
Speaker 2: About the first one played in The big twelve in THE, sec.
Speaker 3: But did he play, WELL i don't know he do
Speaker 3: you know if it's any?
Speaker 5: Good?
Speaker 3: Yeah, well chances are these two guys that he's profiling.
Speaker 3: Here evan's the only one who knows.
Speaker 5: Him SO i don't have this blasting numbers.
Speaker 3: Out if you give me the, NAMES i won't know,
Speaker 3: them SO i can't give you an.
Speaker 2: Opinion, well the first one the six, two one hundred
Speaker 2: and ninety cornerback who ran a four four five and
Speaker 2: played in The big twelve AT. Sec As Karen, prunty.
Speaker 4: He did not play in THE. Sec he was briefly
Speaker 4: supposed to go TO i Think South, carolina but he Didn't,
Speaker 4: okay didn't actually play.
Speaker 2: The six to one hundred and ninety two. Cornerbacks last
Speaker 2: safety who ran a four to two seven and played
Speaker 2: in THE cfb and The Big ten And Notre dame
Speaker 2: Was Lorenzo styles From Ohio state who went to The
Speaker 2: saints after our. Pick.
Speaker 4: Yeah the, Yeah PRUNTY i, believe like was committed to
Speaker 4: transfer To South. Carolina never made it To South, carolina
Speaker 4: ended up going To kansas, instead and then made his
Speaker 4: way To Wake forest. Eventually but there's no doubt That,
Speaker 4: styles his brother went seventh overall in the, Draft Sunny.
Speaker 4: Styles there's no doubt that people were talking about that
Speaker 4: player a lot more than That, prunty you.
Speaker 2: KNOW i, mean it's my running back, Receiver Josh.
Speaker 5: Cameron that was another. One it's fun is, This AS
Speaker 5: i said To, Paul it's like sometimes you just see
Speaker 5: a guy who's kind of different and, weird and that
Speaker 5: was Definitely Josh. CAMERON i, remember didn't only see a
Speaker 5: total fifth form. BAT i just kind of just.
Speaker 3: One of those guys that makes place and you, know.
Speaker 5: Runs, hard good college. Player, yeah let's.
Speaker 2: See bruno, SAYS i just had a brief but very
Speaker 2: insightful exchange with SHAT. Gbt the extremely short version of
Speaker 2: the reason For round five being the least valuable is
Speaker 2: that teams take a conservative approach drafting for roster depth
Speaker 2: instead of taking flyers when the math says they should
Speaker 2: be doing, otherwise and they do this because general perception
Speaker 2: is that a round five failure is a bus not
Speaker 2: a bet that didn't. Pay and of course it's least
Speaker 2: a media criticism fans booming a.
Speaker 3: JOB i CAN i can see, that like if you
Speaker 3: some somehow like a fifth round is high enough that
Speaker 3: like you'll think team, yeah yeah, yeah whereas like the
Speaker 3: sixth or seventh round just flyers anywhere they don't make.
Speaker 2: It he has the, whole he has the whole. Conversation
Speaker 2: BUT i don't want to get into.
Speaker 3: IT i, MEAN i think there could be some validity to.
Speaker 4: THAT i was wondering if, maybe you, know to that,
Speaker 4: point like we were talking about. Earlier you, Know Kaishan
Speaker 4: boody ends up going in the sixth round because of
Speaker 4: his ankle and because of what turns out some legal
Speaker 4: trouble off the field AT. Lsu you, know maybe the
Speaker 4: fifth round people feel like it's too early to take
Speaker 4: on some of that, risk you, Know but then all
Speaker 4: of a sudden you get to the end of the
Speaker 4: draft and that's when you are willing to take on
Speaker 4: a risk like. That and it's not a lack of
Speaker 4: talent that those players, fail it's off the field issues
Speaker 4: why those players fell Our. Injuries so there's a couple
Speaker 4: of guys like you know that are still on the
Speaker 4: board that were we knew ahead of, time had some
Speaker 4: some skeletons and some some. Issues, yeah things like. That
Speaker 4: so maybe that's that's why we're. Here you, Know Garrett
Speaker 4: nestmeier had like the back thing he had to.
Speaker 11: His.
Speaker 5: Spiners, yeah you, know so.
Speaker 4: He, is and like that's another. ONE i don't. KNOW
Speaker 4: i didn't wasn't aware That Jack injuries had any sort
Speaker 4: of injury or medical flags or anything like. That but,
Speaker 4: clearly uh he, does because you, know he was supposed
Speaker 4: to be like a fourth or fifth round pick and
Speaker 4: he's still.
Speaker 2: Available mark In, Lakeland florida wants to know how we
Speaker 2: stand on the back of the envelope guys of The
Speaker 2: patriots taking any of? Them, no so Far Kobe, Young
Speaker 2: tanacozio And Jude Barry bowery have been, taken but there's
Speaker 2: still uh, one, two, three, four, five six guys.
Speaker 5: That still the seventh rounds your time to.
Speaker 2: Shine Nolan rucci is the guy THAT i think will
Speaker 2: end up being a patriotlan Because Todd, Ruthy, YEAH i
Speaker 2: think he'll end up being A.
Speaker 5: Patriot getting. Invited we love.
Speaker 4: That so they're gonna make nine, picks right if they? Don't,
Speaker 4: yes that's they started with, Eleven, PAUL.
Speaker 3: I, know AND i got all, excited, sure just getting.
Speaker 4: UPSET i wonder if IF i, listen it's not my,
Speaker 4: Board but IF i was the, LIKE i wouldn't you
Speaker 4: just at this point of the draft to start throwing
Speaker 4: some darts at some of these like Like i'm off
Speaker 4: the field. Stuff you have to be comfortable with. That but,
Speaker 4: like you, know if it's injury related or you, know
Speaker 4: If Dante corleone has like the blood clot thing popped
Speaker 4: up in medical re checks or something, like but you
Speaker 4: got to, lose like if the, guy if the guy's
Speaker 4: health pans out and he's you, know he's gonna be
Speaker 4: a good. Player he's gonna be better than most six round.
Speaker 2: Picks jeremy writes in we have some time to kill
Speaker 2: before the. Picks we probably all agree that wide receiver
Speaker 2: one Is Aj? Brown why receiver two Is Romeo? Dobbs
Speaker 2: would you agree.
Speaker 5: With that wide?
Speaker 2: Receiver so if you were THE gm or the wide receiver,
Speaker 2: coach who would you be banking on as you're starting
Speaker 2: W r, three four and.
Speaker 5: Five, WELL i Think Mac collins is going to have a.
Speaker 5: ROLE i, MEAN i don't think you necessarily qualify him
Speaker 5: as like wide receiver, four BUT i think that's kind
Speaker 5: of what he. Is like why wide receiver four or?
Speaker 5: Five but a good, one you, know a guy that can,
Speaker 5: contribute that has a chemistry With. Drake saw him make
Speaker 5: some big plays and you, know Super bowl touchdown after.
Speaker 5: THAT i Just i'm hoping For Kyle williams and then
Speaker 5: we'll see how it goes out With.
Speaker 2: But you've really got three for four. There you've Got Kyle,
Speaker 2: Williams Booty, Pop, douglas And. Hollins those are your four
Speaker 2: left right, yep, ye you know for all, intents.
Speaker 5: So you're bringing an extra guy somebody's. OUT i, mean right,
Speaker 5: now it would point probably Towards. POP i, think you.
Speaker 4: Know, YEAH i MEAN i think you, ideally to answer the,
Speaker 4: question like you you'd hope That Kyle williams is the
Speaker 4: wide receiver. Three that's the ideal situation, realistically just looking
Speaker 4: how comfortable they were with each other last, Year Mac
Speaker 4: collins probably has the best.
Speaker 3: Chance i've been really surprised If mike is wrong And
Speaker 3: Mac collins doesn't have a significant.
Speaker 5: Role because of, THAT.
Speaker 4: I do, wonder you, know maybe he's more of like you,
Speaker 4: Know paul were you were talking earlier about he's kind
Speaker 4: of like a slot tight end type of. Player maybe
Speaker 4: that's the role because he's not going to PLAY. X
Speaker 4: OBVIOUSLY A. J brown is going to PLAY, x which which.
Speaker 3: WONDER i worry Where booty winds up because he kind
Speaker 3: of filled that role last. Year and again we talked
Speaker 3: about all the trade rumors you, know about him leading
Speaker 3: into the. Draft does he ended up? STAYING i, mean
Speaker 3: there's your thing To paul.
Speaker 5: OF i, mean Mac collins has had some stops and
Speaker 5: he's kind of been the same player every, place and
Speaker 5: it just seems like all of a sudden it kind
Speaker 5: of runs their course and teams move. On doesn't seem
Speaker 5: like that's the direction it's. Headed BUT i Just i'll
Speaker 5: be interested to see what happens If Kyle williams doesn't really,
Speaker 5: progress and you, know because he's going to be in
Speaker 5: a situation where he needs to show.
Speaker 2: SOMETHING i just wonder If Kyle, williams.
Speaker 4: When you think, of you, KNOW A. J brown at
Speaker 4: this stage of his, Career Romeo, dobbs Neither, BURNERS i
Speaker 4: would SAY A. J brown's winning with. Physicality you, Know
Speaker 4: Romeo dobbs is winning with like craftiness and you, know
Speaker 4: sort of, consistency, steadiness at least For Kyle, williams like
Speaker 4: the path is is that you're the one like that
Speaker 4: can really stretch the field with your. Speed you. Know
Speaker 4: Matt collins has sneaky, speed you, know BUT i don't
Speaker 4: know if that's truly, like you, know this is a different.
Speaker 4: Dimension Kyle williams kind of brings a little bit of
Speaker 4: a different dimension and obviously more size than Than pop you,
Speaker 4: know who has speed. Too so IF i Was Kyle,
Speaker 4: williams like that's how that would be the best case
Speaker 4: scenario to me is, like you, Know i'm kind of
Speaker 4: complimentary to these two, guys and maybe that's what they're.
Speaker 4: THINKING i don't know how much ex they're putting In
Speaker 4: Kyle williams's, basket but maybe they're, thinking you, KNOW. A.
Speaker 4: J brown is gonna win with you, know, physicality and
Speaker 4: he's gonna win the, ball and you Know dobb's gonna
Speaker 4: win with his route running and we got our, Burner.
Speaker 2: KYLE i do have to. Apologize they said they have
Speaker 2: four players for three. Positions really five players left.
Speaker 4: Out i'm glad that you corrected, that because you know,
Speaker 4: what you should at least bring him up like he
Speaker 4: deserves to be brought.
Speaker 5: Up, yeah, yeh he should be in the. MIX i
Speaker 5: mean your two get, stronger small school kid you.
Speaker 2: Know, yep come In eddie's In New. York what's, Up?
Speaker 3: EDDIE i thought we WERE i thought we were improving the.
Speaker 3: ROSTER i was trying to. Win Sorry eddie?
Speaker 12: There, yes, yes what's?
Speaker 2: Up?
Speaker 10: Going first time call on love you guys. Show i'm
Speaker 10: a big dew fan of the offensive. Line do you
Speaker 10: think The patriots have done enough to address your line
Speaker 10: or should or not? Enough whether remain pick should go?
Speaker 10: There Because i'm the one to think that if you
Speaker 10: protect the, quarterback any wide receiver could get. OPEN i
Speaker 10: just want to pay your take on.
Speaker 2: The, okay have they done enough to offensive on? Guard?
Speaker 5: Yes, YEAH i take out of guard. HERE i MEAN
Speaker 5: i don't think is.
Speaker 2: It going to? WORK i don't, know BUT i think
Speaker 2: they've addressed.
Speaker 4: IT i Mean Elijah, Vera tucker And Caleb. BLOMO i
Speaker 4: Mean Bear tucker is one of your bigger free agent.
Speaker 4: Signings loan was your first round.
Speaker 3: PICK i mean and that's coming on the heels of
Speaker 3: taking a tackle with the fourth overall. PICK i, mean
Speaker 3: there's so much more you can.
Speaker 5: Do there's always more things you could.
Speaker 3: Do but they had a first and a third round
Speaker 3: pick last year that are. Starting they had a first
Speaker 3: round pick this year that at the very least is
Speaker 3: going to provide.
Speaker 5: Depth.
Speaker 3: You As evan, said one of your one of your
Speaker 3: top free agent signings was a starting. Guard last, year
Speaker 3: you also signed a starter at tackle and free agency
Speaker 3: In Morgan. Moses everybody tells me that there's no lineman
Speaker 3: in the, league but yet The patriots are thin at
Speaker 3: the offensive line because they don't have a seventh or eighth.
Speaker 3: Option and this is not directed at the. Caller this
Speaker 3: is kind of what's going on around. Here like a
Speaker 3: lot of the REP i mean offensive. LINE i, mean
Speaker 3: they got to do something about that offensive. Line how
Speaker 3: much more can you?
Speaker 4: Do you just have to talent.
Speaker 2: Correctly you can't complain about. It they do, stuff and then,
Speaker 2: oh they shouldn't have taken linemen you've been.
Speaker 3: SAYING i don't think anybody saying they shouldn't have taken.
Speaker 3: LINEMAN i think people are, wondering did they take enough,
Speaker 3: lineman AND i don't, LIKE i don't know how many
Speaker 3: of you can, take, Right, like The chargers were like
Speaker 3: six seven deep at tackle last year and they still
Speaker 3: found a way to get to the. PLAYOFFS i, mean
Speaker 3: obviously we saw that they had no shot when they
Speaker 3: got there because of. That but that's kind of uncommonly
Speaker 3: bad luck what they what they went through with the
Speaker 3: tackle position last.
Speaker 5: Year, yeah and they've had a good uh draft solidifying.
Speaker 5: That you, know one of the guys we. LIKED i
Speaker 5: think they Grabbed Travis. BURKE i think maybe yeah.
Speaker 3: Play i'm saying everybody says there aren't enough tackles in the,
Speaker 3: league and The patriots have a problem because they don't
Speaker 3: have a third or fourth tack do you, Know, LIKE
Speaker 3: i just don't know what else you can.
Speaker 5: DO i, mean that's it's like all of this right.
Speaker 5: Now it's like they don't have a third, linebacker they.
Speaker 4: Don't want offensive, lineman and The patriots have drafted an offensive.
Speaker 4: Lineman The patriots Drafted Demitrius cronover From TEXAS a AND
Speaker 4: m so so really interesting. Player he was like WHEN
Speaker 4: i started the process back In, february everybody thought that
Speaker 4: he was going to be like a top one hundred.
Speaker 4: PICK i don't know why he fell out of the
Speaker 4: draft this. FAR i then The beast came out And
Speaker 4: dane had, him you, know around this range as. WELL a,
Speaker 4: big powerful right. Tackle this is a pure right tackle.
Speaker 4: Prospect he played right tackle At TEXAS a AND. M
Speaker 4: but big, hands you, know lots of raw power to his,
Speaker 4: game you, know kind of that prototypical right side of
Speaker 4: the line type of. Player but he's sixty seven three nineteen.
Speaker 4: Pounds you ready for this, one, dude.
Speaker 5: Give it to.
Speaker 4: Me thirty five and three eighth inch. Arms thirty five
Speaker 4: and three eighth in arms on this, guy so extremely long.
Speaker 4: Arms he locks him out really heavy cinder block for.
Speaker 4: Hands but you know he's got some development to. Do
Speaker 4: another guy that, has you, know a lot of development to.
Speaker 4: Do AND i think a lot of people were worried
Speaker 4: about some of that type of. Stuff but from a
Speaker 4: raw ball Of clay's standpoint in terms of measurable's, length
Speaker 4: power play, Strength, uh he's got that foundation to, potentially you,
Speaker 4: know stick in the.
Speaker 5: League do you think they're gonna take maybe just take
Speaker 5: some of his arms off and give it to you,
Speaker 5: know other members of the offensive line is.
Speaker 4: That it's possible you could take a half inch.
Speaker 2: Off is he long for this?
Speaker 5: One, WELL i MEAN i think it's A i MEAN
Speaker 5: i think this guy probably a little bit more of
Speaker 5: a ceiling than you might, expect but similar. SIZE i,
Speaker 5: mean another you, know.
Speaker 4: Giant, YEAH i MEAN i had him at forty first
Speaker 4: in my big on my big. Boards good win for.
Speaker 4: YOU i pulled that one on BECAUSE i when, originally you,
Speaker 4: know LIKE i, said when we started this back In,
Speaker 4: february this was one of those guys that was going
Speaker 4: to be in their sweet spot in the third or fourth.
Speaker 2: Round might have looked at your board.
Speaker 4: Maybe at ninety five, One like all the early mocks
Speaker 4: had cronover as, like, well if you don't take tackle
Speaker 4: in the first, round then maybe we'll take him in
Speaker 4: the middle. Rounds and this was the, guy you know
Speaker 4: when this all. Started i'll have to do something you
Speaker 4: and find out. Why you know that didn't come out
Speaker 4: once the grade came out for the teams at the
Speaker 4: end of the. Draft but you, KNOW i compared him
Speaker 4: To Cam. Robinson you, KNOW i think that that he's
Speaker 4: got that kind of physicality and that kind of power to.
Speaker 4: Him but the arms is obviously what stands. OUT i
Speaker 4: mean he's got the guy's got over thirty five inch,
Speaker 4: Arms so that's, like you, know rare kind of arm
Speaker 4: light that you don't see every.
Speaker 2: Day, Okay so that means The rams are on the.
Speaker 2: Clock they just traded in to the one hundred and
Speaker 2: ninety seventh pick and then it's The patriots again at
Speaker 2: one ninety, Eight so we've got another big pick coming.
Speaker 2: Up while we're, waiting we'll go back to the, phones
Speaker 2: and it Is neil And. Warwick what's? That?
Speaker 4: Neil, hey what's going?
Speaker 16: On you?
Speaker 19: Know, hey SO i haven't called in a. While it's
Speaker 19: been a long time SINCE i called, in but do.
Speaker 19: SO i was, thinking you, Know i'm In Ohio state
Speaker 19: and we wish we Took Max claire last, night but
Speaker 19: we did get a tight, end SO i knowing when
Speaker 19: is happy right. Now but the other, Thing i'm curised
Speaker 19: nobody Has Kake cayden courage From Ohio. State you. KNOW i,
Speaker 19: MEAN i think he'd be great figure you can, learn you,
Speaker 19: know uhl refer defensive.
Speaker 15: END i move my.
Speaker 19: Mind i'm, TIRED i got a. Baby so but besides,
Speaker 19: THAT i think they should Draft. KERRY i mean verable
Speaker 19: with the defensive End Ohio states and then turn into a.
Speaker 19: Linebacker SO i think they can turn SO i think
Speaker 19: would be a pretty good.
Speaker 2: Pick all, right Thanks, Neil Matt. Morrell we got to
Speaker 2: look into why our phone's beeping on our. End it's definitely,
Speaker 2: us not.
Speaker 4: That we gotta call.
Speaker 5: Waiting it's pretty.
Speaker 2: Cool, yeah all, Right so any reaction to the.
Speaker 5: Call, WELL i don't. Know i'm, Sorry i'm still on Crown.
Speaker 5: Over it's, just you, know is this, UH i mean
Speaker 5: they drafted another, big long right, tackle you, know, like
Speaker 5: is he going into the?
Speaker 4: GUARD i, Mean paul's give an.
Speaker 5: Eyeball paul's just talking about we don't have enough. TACKLES i,
Speaker 5: mean right now you, have by my. COUNT i know
Speaker 5: some of them are, bumps but you have eight, tackles you,
Speaker 5: know including some of the practice squad guys from last
Speaker 5: Year's Lawrence Matt Marcus bryant from last. Year.
Speaker 3: YEAH i think they're they're trying to add some. Depth
Speaker 3: this is where you. GET i was told You i'll
Speaker 3: be stunned if they don't take some offensive lineman in day.
Speaker 5: THREE i would have thought probably a.
Speaker 3: Guard maybe we'll get a guard. Now But i'm not
Speaker 3: overly surprised about a, tackle And evan had one that
Speaker 3: was on his. Radar, YEAH i should get tickets or
Speaker 3: can't be too much of.
Speaker 4: Us, No i'm pretty excited about this pick BECAUSE i
Speaker 4: thought that he was going to go much higher because
Speaker 4: you had him on your.
Speaker 5: Board, NO i, mean like.
Speaker 4: They picked him at one ninety, six and you, KNOW
Speaker 4: i just looking at the consensus. Board WHEN i published
Speaker 4: my big, board the consensus ranking for him was one
Speaker 4: hundred and three and they drafted them at one ninety.
Speaker 4: Six elliott will talk after the. Draft maybe there's more
Speaker 4: to the story that we don't know about about why
Speaker 4: he fell ninety something picks off. Consensus but the one
Speaker 4: THING i would say is like WHEN i watched, HIM
Speaker 4: i didn't really feel like guard was in his. Future
Speaker 4: he actually played tight end early on and then put
Speaker 4: on weight and then became a, Tackle so he's already
Speaker 4: kind of moved one spot over. Already SO i didn't
Speaker 4: watch him and, think you know that he had like
Speaker 4: he doesn't play like a. Guard he plays a little
Speaker 4: bit more, upright is you know. Lamb his like leverage
Speaker 4: is a little bit more higher. Cut so, LIKE i
Speaker 4: didn't really see him as someone that could play, guard
Speaker 4: BUT i did see him as like a classic McDaniel's right,
Speaker 4: tackle and McDaniel's historically has had The Marcus cannons like
Speaker 4: that kind of right tackle that was just like a
Speaker 4: rogue grading type of. Player and that's like what this
Speaker 4: guy sort of reminded me of. Of SO i think
Speaker 4: that this is pretty solid pick. Here this is WHAT
Speaker 4: i wanted them to do in this, round was, like
Speaker 4: all these guys that have fallen through the cracks for whatever,
Speaker 4: reason just just take some, darts you, know throw some
Speaker 4: darts on some of these guys and hopefully some of
Speaker 4: them work. OUT i think they traded out.
Speaker 20: Again, yeah The, vikings and that's going to be until
Speaker 20: two thirty. Four all, Right, well so that means we
Speaker 20: should probably wrap things up so you guys can get to.
Speaker 5: Work we didn't add a, pick, though we did not
Speaker 5: for next.
Speaker 2: Year, yeah well we're gonna need that next.
Speaker 5: YEAR i don't care same.
Speaker 2: Today all, Right, okay that's.
Speaker 20: It it's been a Good draft, twenty great.
Speaker 2: Weekend patriots are continuing to add a couple. Players we'll
Speaker 2: have all of that On patriots Dot com and our other.
Speaker 2: Platforms Elliott wolf will be speaking live On patriots Dot
Speaker 2: com at the end of the seventh, round so we'll
Speaker 2: get his explanation for what he. Did we'll have stuff
Speaker 2: from the draft, room you, know uh calls to the,
Speaker 2: players the players will have their press, conference so there's
Speaker 2: a lot of content that will still to come On
Speaker 2: patriots Dot com later this afternoon in, too so stick with.
Speaker 2: Us we'll be back On, Tuesday Patriots unfiltered to have
Speaker 2: really have had time to digest, everything and we'll get
Speaker 2: into it. Then but for, now For, duce For, evan For, paul,
Speaker 2: Myself Matt morrell and the booth and everybody behind the.
Speaker 2: Scenes thank you for sticking with us all. Weekend it's
Speaker 2: been a fun. Draft you, know it Wasn't there wasn't
Speaker 2: a lot of quarterbacks involved this, year BUT i think
Speaker 2: it was an interesting draft and one we might be
Speaker 2: talking about for a few years to. Come, yeah if
Speaker 2: it works out for The patriots and four six round
Speaker 2: picks next, Year so get ready for all, Right.
Speaker 4: Paul can't.
Speaker 5: Wait have a good rest of your.
Speaker 2: Weekend, hey this Is.
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