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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,
Speaker 2: my name is Noah.
Speaker 3: They call me Ben.
Speaker 4: We're joined as always with our super producer Alexis code
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Speaker 4: Brush your shoulders off, folks, we've made it to another evening.
Speaker 4: Now before we begin a little bit of housekeeping here
Speaker 4: for our strange news program, We, like everybody in the
Speaker 4: United States and the world entire kept a close eye
Speaker 4: on the attempt assassination of former President Donald J.
Speaker 2: Trump.
Speaker 4: We do have a breaking news episode that we put
Speaker 4: out on that on that subject, on those events. You
Speaker 4: can listen to it now wherever podcasts are available.
Speaker 5: As far as this exact moment in the news cycle,
Speaker 5: I don't know that there have been any particularly new
Speaker 5: earth shattering revelation that we didn't discuss in that episode.
Speaker 5: Is there anything you guys want to add that maybe
Speaker 5: we didn't cover? That's kind of popped out that maybe
Speaker 5: I'm missing.
Speaker 6: The biggest thing for me is that people were watching
Speaker 6: there's video.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, like he's got to go on there he is.
Speaker 5: Yes, look look please, plenty of time, more than enough time,
Speaker 5: an absurd amount of time.
Speaker 6: That was pretty shocking, it really is. But you know,
Speaker 6: other than that, you guys did a really great job.
Speaker 6: I really liked that episode. I got a chance to
Speaker 6: listen to it before it came out in Really good
Speaker 6: job guys.
Speaker 3: That's very kind, Thank you, Matt.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we also know it was the first, what we
Speaker 4: would say, near JFK level operation of its type in
Speaker 4: the world of abiquitous social media, so more details will emerge.
Speaker 4: We just want to get that out of the way.
Speaker 5: I did have one little thing I believe on the episode,
Speaker 5: we already shouted out friend of the show, Frank, and
Speaker 5: he was listening to it and sent me a text
Speaker 5: thank you Gus for the shout out, and then he said,
Speaker 5: we were asking good questions about the other roof and asked,
Speaker 5: did you hear at the head of the USS made
Speaker 5: the decision to not put someone on the roof because
Speaker 5: it was sloped.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I continuing, thank you to everybody reached out
Speaker 4: to us as a group or to me specifically about that. Again,
Speaker 4: check out the episode. It seems like when you have
Speaker 4: a lot of moving parts, you also have a higher
Speaker 4: likelihood of different organizations saying not my problem or someone
Speaker 4: else's job.
Speaker 6: And just one last thing to add here. Weird enough,
Speaker 6: and it's mildly connected. But just because this is happening,
Speaker 6: I'm gonna plug a show that's coming out in September
Speaker 6: through through our team. It's it's called Rip Current and
Speaker 6: it is about the two attempted assassinations of Gerald Ford.
Speaker 6: And it's a really interesting tale of two women who
Speaker 6: attempted to kill a president and failed. And just it's
Speaker 6: mildly connected. I just want to put it out there.
Speaker 2: Look for it. It's going to be called Rip Current.
Speaker 3: And thank you for that shout out.
Speaker 7: Man.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I mean I certainly think everyone's interested, you know,
Speaker 5: with so little information about the motives of this this
Speaker 5: young man, Like what goes through the mind of someone
Speaker 5: trying to achieve something like this, And was this just
Speaker 5: a case of someone getting incredibly lucky to the point of,
Speaker 5: you know, getting into that very rarefied position, you know,
Speaker 5: on that rooftop and then literally being able to take
Speaker 5: the shots, and then of course another series of happenstance
Speaker 5: kind of circumstances leading to it.
Speaker 7: Being a failure.
Speaker 5: But boy was in a perfect storm of kind of successes,
Speaker 5: you know, happenstances and then ultimately failures.
Speaker 4: Great way to get Epstein documents out of the news,
Speaker 4: along with a couple of criminal cases. All right, I
Speaker 4: walked down the street for that one. We have so
Speaker 4: much to get to this evening. We also in our notes, folks,
Speaker 4: fellow conspiracy realists, I think we organically discovered a little
Speaker 4: bit of a spy situation. We are going to talk
Speaker 4: about some things that may not be appropriate for all
Speaker 4: listeners this evening. There is a fentanyl robbery gang.
Speaker 7: There are.
Speaker 4: Numerous bodies being discovered in Kenya as we record. There
Speaker 4: is an update from the founder of ocean Gate, and
Speaker 4: there are a lot of spies getting busted. You guys,
Speaker 4: remember a while ago we were going to do an
Speaker 4: episode about why so many spies are getting busted and
Speaker 4: then we backpocketed it.
Speaker 3: Do you remember that, I do, Yes, I do?
Speaker 7: Okay, Oh cool.
Speaker 6: Well, it's because we were talking about that guy specifically
Speaker 6: that was spying for Cuba who was working in high
Speaker 6: levels of the government here in the United States, and
Speaker 6: he'd been doing it pretty much his entire career, and
Speaker 6: he had a long career. So that was a bit
Speaker 6: of a weird situation. And now we're seeing more and
Speaker 6: more people former White House staff members. Who was the
Speaker 6: other person, one of the a Senator Bob Menendez was
Speaker 6: just caught taking some crazy bribes apparently working for other countries.
Speaker 2: Was it Egypt like working for Egypt?
Speaker 4: Yes, well, working for someone who works for Egypt is
Speaker 4: probably got it the most accurate, you know, you want
Speaker 4: the hand And also shout out to Ken Jim Chol
Speaker 4: who recently drowned in a pond in Russia.
Speaker 7: Was weird, he still was a part.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So we're going to pause and then we are
Speaker 4: going to dive into some updates on ocean Gate.
Speaker 7: And we rip serve.
Speaker 5: Do you guys remember ocean Gate, Remember that little debacle
Speaker 5: with the PlayStation controller and everything.
Speaker 4: And the sub that the private sub that imploded. While
Speaker 4: that's attempting to take some very well, to do very
Speaker 4: well to the wreckage of the Titanic, that's.
Speaker 5: Right, and all the while naysayers, you know, we're chiming
Speaker 5: in people who do this for a living, people like
Speaker 5: James Cameron, who, while you know, he's largely known as
Speaker 5: a big shot Hollywood film director of the Abyss Terminator franchise,
Speaker 5: true lies all of that stuff, he also is, I
Speaker 5: don't know, has devoted a large portion of his time,
Speaker 5: resources and wealth to this very thing, these very very deep,
Speaker 5: deep deep water excursions, you know, in these single or
Speaker 5: very few small crew subs, and he the whole time
Speaker 5: was saying, this is a bad idea, and then sure
Speaker 5: enough the thing was unresponsive. And then it turns out
Speaker 5: that it did, in fact implode. Ocean Gate was the
Speaker 5: name of the company they were using. I think it
Speaker 5: was some sort of like mesh woven kind of micro
Speaker 5: like what would you call it, There was a name
Speaker 5: for it. It was almost like a really stiff, kind
Speaker 5: of like impenetrable mesh weave that maybe could be used
Speaker 5: for aircraft. I'm sorry, I'm doing a bad job of
Speaker 5: describing this material. But it turns out that once it
Speaker 5: gets penetrated or is cracked or there are you know,
Speaker 5: let's call them vulnerabilities within them, they spread very quickly
Speaker 5: and then the whole thing just kind of went pop.
Speaker 5: So we also know that there's another billionaire out there
Speaker 5: that's attempting to do another Titanic excursion, you know, to
Speaker 5: kind of prove that it's safe. I think we talked
Speaker 5: about this on a previous thing. There were some memes
Speaker 5: saying this dude has the chance to do the funniest
Speaker 5: thing ever, which is, you know, have it happen exactly
Speaker 5: the same way a second time. He hasn't funny at all.
Speaker 5: Every life is important, but it is a little bit
Speaker 5: shocking to see that level.
Speaker 7: Of hubris in some of these you know, billionaires.
Speaker 5: It just thinks it's because they have money that means
Speaker 5: they also have expertise, because, as we all notice, because
Speaker 5: you have lots of men doesn't necessarily mean that you're smart.
Speaker 5: So one of the co founders of ocean Gate, an
Speaker 5: Argentine American businessman named Gulielmo Sonline, has announced plans to
Speaker 5: colonize the Moon, you know that old chestnut, Let's colonize
Speaker 5: the moon. He wants to create a society that's spread
Speaker 5: across the Earth and the Moon. And he's very kind
Speaker 5: of hithily named it mirth like me e a r thh.
Speaker 5: So that'll be what the society is and he believes
Speaker 5: that this is achievable by twenty sixty three, and the
Speaker 5: pilot program for it is. One of the programs associated
Speaker 5: with this is something called Project Moon Hut, which is
Speaker 5: kind of like the very first you know, outpost that
Speaker 5: would be created on the Moon.
Speaker 7: He says.
Speaker 5: It is a basic hut comparable to a double wide
Speaker 5: trailer that is commonly used on job construction sites. And
Speaker 5: this would be in place by twenty thirty one. And
Speaker 5: I imagine the idea is to build out from there.
Speaker 5: Four to eight people, he says, would be kind of
Speaker 5: the initial colonizers, and then and then eventually would assemble
Speaker 5: an industrial park that could grow to house around ninety people.
Speaker 7: And I don't know, Ben, this made me think of you.
Speaker 5: He is kind of talking about it being like a
Speaker 5: company down, you know, like the idea of your buy
Speaker 5: and stuff from the company's store. You're beholden to this
Speaker 5: guy's you know, corporate structure.
Speaker 7: Here's a quote.
Speaker 5: Sixteen tenants have been selected to utilize the Moon's unique
Speaker 5: environment for discovery, manufacturing, and selling products from the Moon
Speaker 5: to Earth. According to a statement from Project Moon Hut,
Speaker 5: this marks the beginning of the mirth economic system, and
Speaker 5: then eventually he would establish what he referred to as
Speaker 5: a mini city on the moon. This had happened by
Speaker 5: twenty forty six. And you know, how's about six hundred people.
Speaker 3: Oh no, could you.
Speaker 4: Real quick for those of us in the crowd tonight,
Speaker 4: could you spell out mirth so at the body knows
Speaker 4: it's not m I R now, it's not.
Speaker 5: Mirth like the quality of happiness and lightheartedness. It's it's
Speaker 5: like a portmanteau of Moon and Earth. It's pretty cringe
Speaker 5: if you ask me a M E A R T h. Oh, yes,
Speaker 5: mirth Okay, and the people this is you can't make
Speaker 5: this stuff up, guys, Well, actually you could.
Speaker 7: That's I guess that's the opposite.
Speaker 5: It's the kind of stuff you normally find in science
Speaker 5: fiction novels.
Speaker 7: The people that were that are colonizing, he would refer
Speaker 7: to them as spacers. Does that not sound like something
Speaker 7: out of a Hinlun novel? Or it even has? I
Speaker 7: think it already exists. I'm certain I've heard spaceers somewhere.
Speaker 3: Before video games as well.
Speaker 7: I think you're absolutely right.
Speaker 5: He has this to say as well, or at least
Speaker 5: a statement from Project Moon Hut, which just I don't know,
Speaker 5: just you think of like a like a restaurant that.
Speaker 4: Sells sweet space food space.
Speaker 5: The advancements made in technology, science, and innovation have made
Speaker 5: it possible to create a new way of life on
Speaker 5: the Moon, one that is almost as normal as living
Speaker 5: in different places on Earth.
Speaker 7: This community represents a new hope we.
Speaker 5: Never heard of, new hope from I don't know what
Speaker 5: that's sounds familiar for the future of humanity, uh and
Speaker 5: all species on Earth. The lessons learned for this endeavor
Speaker 5: will undoubtedly have far reaching impacts on our understanding of
Speaker 5: space exploration, sustainability, and what it means to be a
Speaker 5: global citizen in the twenty first century.
Speaker 7: Okay, first of all.
Speaker 3: Shortly.
Speaker 8: Lunar exploration so screams problematic on a couple of levels,
Speaker 8: Like we already know what happened with you know, just
Speaker 8: trying to go down to the bottom of the ocean
Speaker 8: to look at a shipwreck.
Speaker 5: What could go wrong with this sort of hubrius fueled
Speaker 5: vanity project sending people to colonize the Moon, starting off
Speaker 5: in a double wide space trailer. What could go wrong?
Speaker 7: Guys?
Speaker 5: I can't imagine it. Just it feels really shortsighted and
Speaker 5: more just kind of talking till you get an idea.
Speaker 5: There certainly hasn't been any indication that they have actual plans,
Speaker 5: technological plans laid out for how this would actually be accomplished,
Speaker 5: you know, how this.
Speaker 7: Could be achieved.
Speaker 5: You know, irl, it just seems like a billionaire who
Speaker 5: wants to talk a big game.
Speaker 7: Not to mention, he also has founded.
Speaker 5: Something called Human to Number two Venus Foundation, which he
Speaker 5: started in January twenty twenty, which.
Speaker 7: Also suggests that it would be a really.
Speaker 5: Great idea to colonize Venus, which by the way, has
Speaker 5: a surface temperature of around eight hundred and sixty four
Speaker 5: degrees fahrenheit. But that's okay because we can suspend building
Speaker 5: structures in the air.
Speaker 4: Right By colonizing Venus, humans are going to typically mean
Speaker 4: orbiting Venus or perhaps entering into the upper atmosphere. Yet
Speaker 4: the technology simply does not exist at this point. For
Speaker 4: the Moon, going back on everybody, check out our earlier
Speaker 4: episode on mysterious Holes for the Moon, in particular, for
Speaker 4: the future, Mirthers, you are going to have to live underground,
Speaker 4: and the big problem really money aside. Right, the dominant
Speaker 4: religion of humans right now is money money? Aside from
Speaker 4: that weird religious constraint, uh, the the bigger logistical issue
Speaker 4: is how to justify what you described all the idea
Speaker 4: of returning resources, physical resources from the Moon to the Earth.
Speaker 4: And that is something that I would argue is first off,
Speaker 4: it's a net benefit if you can pull it off. Secondly,
Speaker 4: it is a justification under the theocracy of economy. And thirdly,
Speaker 4: I don't know if you could do it. I don't know,
Speaker 4: like describe can you describe to us some resource on
Speaker 4: the Moon that is that is somehow valuable at justify
Speaker 4: the transport logistics there, just to.
Speaker 7: See that's what Yeah, no, no, that's what we were good.
Speaker 5: We've always talked about is how expensive it is, how
Speaker 5: much it adds to the weight of these voyages, and
Speaker 5: how much weight every last you know, pound matter, right,
Speaker 5: So you have to truly justify every single thing you
Speaker 5: bring on one of these space flights, and like what
Speaker 5: are they going to bring back? I mean, you know,
Speaker 5: I guess it's almost like he's suggesting setting up manufacturing
Speaker 5: on the Moon of stuff that could just as easily
Speaker 5: be manufactured on Earth. So wouldn't this moon colony just
Speaker 5: be kind of siphoning resources from Earth just so they
Speaker 5: could say they're building stuff on the Moon to then
Speaker 5: ship back to Earth, because like, yeah, please, Well.
Speaker 4: The ideal, the current thinking that seems to be the
Speaker 4: most popular consensus here. The current thinking is in contradiction
Speaker 4: to this ocean gate plan because the current thinking has
Speaker 4: been for many decades, from theoretical to practical application, the
Speaker 4: concept of establishing the Moon as a beachhead sort of
Speaker 4: the human normality for the rest of the Solar system. Right,
Speaker 4: So when you find resources, you build resources. You don't
Speaker 4: waste money sending them back to Earth. What you do
Speaker 4: is use that opportunity, use that surface area, those subterranean
Speaker 4: rabbit holes as as a compound or a factory to
Speaker 4: build Solar system traversing crafts.
Speaker 3: Right, a beachhead, yes.
Speaker 6: So right, but we know there are major deposits of
Speaker 6: helium three and some of earth minerals, Like that stuff
Speaker 6: is there, and I am, I don't know. I imagine maybe
Speaker 6: you could build end product things that you would need,
Speaker 6: you know, scandium or yuttrium for or something, and then
Speaker 6: you ship those back because you don't have to pay
Speaker 6: the terrace. Hey, if the Moon's anything. It's a free trade.
Speaker 4: Yeah, nice reference. Check out our Freeports episode. All so
Speaker 4: you can conceivably you can build out logistics such that
Speaker 4: those would not need to be shipped back. It really
Speaker 4: depends on how you return those to Earth. If returning
Speaker 4: to Earth you do so, it's a long journey back, right,
Speaker 4: Shout out to our future space truckers. You also might
Speaker 4: just dump it out in some point NEMO. That's the
Speaker 4: only affordable way to do it. You can't target these
Speaker 4: landing of these resources.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: You know, years ago there was one evening where we
Speaker 4: were talking about this, and I cannot remember which specific
Speaker 4: episode Conspiracy Realists forgive me here, but we noted the
Speaker 4: inevitable civic and social outcome of an establishment on the Moon.
Speaker 4: As soon as it becomes self sufficient, it will become
Speaker 4: its own thing, not beholden to government, not beholden to
Speaker 4: a corporate So, if you happen to be the guy
Speaker 4: in charge at Ocean Gate listening to this now, if
Speaker 4: you happen to be the next Henry Kissinger, I would
Speaker 4: assume that you are already clocking the idea that you
Speaker 4: need to make sure this lunar colony is not self sufficient.
Speaker 5: There is a website, project moonhut dot org that has
Speaker 5: a pretty nifty graphic. Would let's kind kind of scroll
Speaker 5: through time, like up to twenty forty six or all
Speaker 5: the way up to twenty sixty three, and it sort
Speaker 5: of changes that shows you these the various paths of
Speaker 5: the trajectory of like you know, voyages to and from
Speaker 5: returning things, how many people will potentially be living on
Speaker 5: the Moon, the size of this park. And in twenty
Speaker 5: forty six, let's say, Phase three marks the establishment of
Speaker 5: the Extended Stay Facility, which functions as a mini city
Speaker 5: on the Moon with a capacity of up to five
Speaker 5: hundred and seventy eight people. Regular transportation of goods and
Speaker 5: services between the Moon and Earth has become normalized. The
Speaker 5: lesson than learned from the previous phases have paved the
Speaker 5: way for accelerated development, and there are now seventy two
Speaker 5: least spaces within the facility.
Speaker 7: It's still on.
Speaker 5: Any of these infographics doesn't really tell you what they're
Speaker 5: what the manufacturing is of. And I'm with you, Matt
Speaker 5: on the idea of there are certainly deposits could be,
Speaker 5: but are those not things that are available on Earth
Speaker 5: like any and they not be synthesized.
Speaker 7: Is that what is the.
Speaker 5: Benefit of mining those there and then going through the
Speaker 5: process of having to ship them back.
Speaker 6: Well, the rare earth, you know, minerals and the things
Speaker 6: that we use for a lot of our smart technology,
Speaker 6: a lot of our newer faster stuff aren't well. It's
Speaker 6: deposits are are being searched for all the time, right,
Speaker 6: and they're fought over, right.
Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying. There's a supply chain issue. It's
Speaker 5: very they're very sought after. It's like very in demand
Speaker 5: interaction point. The primary, the primary speed bump, you would
Speaker 5: call it objectively, is environmental regulation because it turns out
Speaker 5: that there are IDENTI resources or I guess there are
Speaker 5: identified mother loads of these various rare earth materials, but
Speaker 5: the process of extracting them here on Earth is inarguably
Speaker 5: damaging to the environment for life on Earth as it
Speaker 5: is currently understood.
Speaker 6: Well, if you think about it really long term, right,
Speaker 6: we will run out of those resources at some point
Speaker 6: if you're going hundreds of years in the future, especially
Speaker 6: at the rates that we're going through, stuff like lithium
Speaker 6: ion batteries, like it's insane how fast we're going through
Speaker 6: those things now that they're in everything. But then you
Speaker 6: take that a little bit further and you realize, Yeah,
Speaker 6: if there were I don't know, thousands of tons even
Speaker 6: just thousands of tons or hundreds of thousands of tons
Speaker 6: of this stuff up on the Moon and you could
Speaker 6: get access to it, you are going to be, you know,
Speaker 6: like one of these people who started a family, like
Speaker 6: the Rockefellers or some you know, somebody who got a
Speaker 6: hold of some stuff, and you're like, oh, man, But
Speaker 6: there's also helium three, which is a main thing that
Speaker 6: people have been talking about on the Moon for a
Speaker 6: long time, which goes right back to potentially new forms
Speaker 6: of nuclear energy, right, which is a major thing which
Speaker 6: if you could have a moon base where you've got
Speaker 6: helium three to create potentially fusion reactors, you could then,
Speaker 6: as Ben was saying, use that as the jumping point
Speaker 6: to all the other places in the stars, right that
Speaker 6: we would want to travel to if we could build
Speaker 6: these engines that were strong enough, powerful enough, and could
Speaker 6: last long enough to actually get a ship somewhere far
Speaker 6: far away.
Speaker 4: I have a question, why hasn't the indigenous population of
Speaker 4: the Moon done the same thing with Earth already, you
Speaker 4: mean on.
Speaker 2: The far side.
Speaker 6: Yeah, oh no, man, there's just there's just checking us
Speaker 6: out still, it's a long, long study.
Speaker 4: They're like, it might be worth it to move this water.
Speaker 5: It does sound to me though, like the primary thinking
Speaker 5: behind this is like, let's just mine the he out
Speaker 5: of another planet once we've depleted ours. Let's just take
Speaker 5: this mentality, this out into the universe and wreak the
Speaker 5: same havoc on other celestial bodies that we have done
Speaker 5: so efficiently here on our planet.
Speaker 6: My favorite thing, and this is just a fear of mind,
Speaker 6: which is not actually based in science, but the fear
Speaker 6: that mining would be so ubiquitous at some point on
Speaker 6: the Moon and so much of this, you know, all
Speaker 6: of these various resources would be taken away, that we
Speaker 6: make a minor change to the Moon's mass just at
Speaker 6: the very threshold of where it could actually affect the orbit.
Speaker 6: But it's almost impossible.
Speaker 5: That's probably just interesting to think about, though, but I
Speaker 5: don't know. It certainly does feel like from the mind
Speaker 5: of a you know, a business minded multi millionaire, if
Speaker 5: not billionaire, that's.
Speaker 7: Exactly what we're talking about.
Speaker 5: There's no benevolence here, like thinking about preserving the human.
Speaker 7: Race at large.
Speaker 5: It's more of a like, how can we, you know,
Speaker 5: exploit these other floating rocks. So I don't know that's
Speaker 5: it for me for this one. Didn't mean to end
Speaker 5: it on such a bummer, but it is kind of
Speaker 5: a bummer because unfortunately the people that I don't First
Speaker 5: of all, I do think that he's like put the
Speaker 5: cart before the horse. The guy's also fifty eight years old,
Speaker 5: and I don't know that he has the groundwork laid
Speaker 5: to see this plan through before he himself, you know,
Speaker 5: buys the farm.
Speaker 7: But we'll see.
Speaker 5: Maybe I'm wrong, And it's certainly something that a lot
Speaker 5: of other people smarter, much much smarter than I are
Speaker 5: thinking about.
Speaker 7: We also know what Elon Musk's plan down.
Speaker 5: To say that he's whatever smarter being I don't know,
Speaker 5: there's lots of different kinds of smarts.
Speaker 7: His plan to colonize Mars.
Speaker 5: So I don't know it's gonna be Mars, gonna be
Speaker 5: the Moon, He's gonna be Venus.
Speaker 6: Who can I add one more thing here? Please, just
Speaker 6: if you are interested in this stuff. In moon colonization,
Speaker 6: there are a bunch of movies and books and all
Speaker 6: kinds of stuff to read about that. But the movie
Speaker 6: add Astra has a really cool envisioning of how the
Speaker 6: Moon could have a functional base that includes manufacturing and
Speaker 6: includes military stuff.
Speaker 2: It's really interesting.
Speaker 4: Oh also check out our earlier episode interview with our
Speaker 4: power familias Martial Brain, wherein he maps out the social
Speaker 4: the social concerns about establishing a long term colony on Mars,
Speaker 4: which may apply generally to any non Terran based society.
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Speaker 4: local political candidates, every story is fighting for press. There
Speaker 4: are plenty of cults, such plenty of cult news such
Speaker 4: that we may need to get a full examination of
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Speaker 4: of our Strange News segments. Let's see we mentioned spies. Oh,
Speaker 4: I thought this would be a particular interest to you guys.
Speaker 4: The Malaysian National Registration Department has officially told Malaysian nationals
Speaker 4: that they cannot name their kids Bodo, Evil or Skibbety.
Speaker 4: What no scidity as a first name has become an
Speaker 4: issue in Malaysia.
Speaker 7: How about that?
Speaker 2: No Skibbity, Skimmity.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so we wanted to let you know. If you're
Speaker 4: a Malaysian national listening tonight, there are other names, but
Speaker 4: also fight the power right if your name is Givity,
Speaker 4: if you're naming your child s Givity, let us know
Speaker 4: because we want good news. A lot of what we
Speaker 4: explore is often disturbing and troubling news. And so one
Speaker 4: thing for any true crime student that may not have
Speaker 4: hit your news in the United States, there is a
Speaker 4: serial killer who just got apprehended in the nation of Kenya.
Speaker 4: Let's just give you the story from Reuters on fifteen July.
Speaker 4: We are recording this on the evening of seventeen July,
Speaker 4: which is a Wednesday. A suspected serial killer, they say,
Speaker 4: has been arrested in Kenya following the discovery of several
Speaker 4: bodies at Akwari and Nairobi, with police saying on Monday
Speaker 4: he confessed to killing forty two different women, including his wife.
Speaker 4: Forty two different people. He's thirty three years old. Collins Jumasi.
Speaker 4: You can hear a little bit of reporting on this
Speaker 4: in outfits like New York Times or BBC Global News.
Speaker 4: Full name Collins Jumasi Kalusha. He confessed to having lured,
Speaker 4: murdered and disposed almost fifty women, including his former spouse,
Speaker 4: at a local dump site in a neighborhood called Macruro
Speaker 4: So when he was when he had committed these evil deeds.
Speaker 4: Afterwards he put the remains in bags and he had
Speaker 4: been doing this since twenty twenty two. He was apprehended
Speaker 4: in the wee hours of the morning, watching a football
Speaker 4: championship at a local bar. And before we do anything else,
Speaker 4: had you guys heard about this story.
Speaker 3: I'm sure it clocked.
Speaker 2: This is the first I've heard of it and it
Speaker 2: is new to me.
Speaker 4: This is troubling because Kenya has been in the news
Speaker 4: in recent years for accusations of active serial murderers. We
Speaker 4: can go to a statement by Mohammed Amin, who is
Speaker 4: the director of the Police Department's Directorate of Criminal Investigations,
Speaker 4: and he says they got the confession, the confession is clean.
Speaker 4: They're still investigating the motive behind the killings. Kenya, for context,
Speaker 4: is a nation of about fifty five million people and
Speaker 4: other countries in that region. There's been a lot of
Speaker 4: social unrest of late. There were protests about tax hikes
Speaker 4: that turned deadly. The corruption has radicalized some people. And
Speaker 4: the troubling thing is whenever you hear about student run
Speaker 4: movements in a lot of countries, they're used as proxy
Speaker 4: warfare territory. You always have to wonder, you know, if
Speaker 4: there's the Cia or Wagner with her hand in the
Speaker 4: cookie jar there, Uh, there are protests aimed at unseeding
Speaker 4: the current president. Women and female identifying individuals in Kenya
Speaker 4: have long been trying to call attention to an accelerating
Speaker 4: wave of femicide and gender based violence that is occurring
Speaker 4: in Kenya. It's similar to you guys, remember you guys,
Speaker 4: remember the stories about Latin America, Mexico and Central America
Speaker 4: in particular with the murders of women by drug cartels
Speaker 4: and cults.
Speaker 5: Well, there was the podcast series The.
Speaker 7: By Oz. You know, he had a big hand in it.
Speaker 5: It's a harrowing Yes, absolutely heard those stories.
Speaker 4: So one of the questions here is what happens next
Speaker 4: as we record this evening, the authorities assure the public
Speaker 4: that they are attempting to identify the bodies they have found.
Speaker 7: They have not.
Speaker 4: Located forty two distinct cadavers. Instead, they have the confession
Speaker 4: of this guy who says that he specifically murdered forty
Speaker 4: two women. What we're also seeing now as the fallout,
Speaker 4: is that the locals, the public doesn't trust the authorities,
Speaker 4: and you know, perhaps with validity one conspiracy I guess
Speaker 4: you could call it, or conspiratorial thought that has sprang
Speaker 4: up in the interim here is the idea that the
Speaker 4: police are closing out cases right, perhaps maybe falsely reporting
Speaker 4: confessions or pushing the murderer to confess to things that
Speaker 4: never actually happened. And this is very similar to the
Speaker 4: approvable case of Henry Lee Lucas, who definitely did not
Speaker 4: kill three hundred people because he was provably not in
Speaker 4: the physical location when those murders occurred. And with here,
Speaker 4: I'd like to go to you met to maybe with
Speaker 4: your experience as an executive producer and some tenderfoot and
Speaker 4: monster investigations, is it possible in your opinion that the
Speaker 4: local law enforcement may be opportunistic here or is there
Speaker 4: validity to that concern.
Speaker 6: I don't know enough about it to make a judgment
Speaker 6: call there, but potentially, yeah, if there are crooked law
Speaker 6: enforcement officers anywhere, and there are often, is there some
Speaker 6: kind of you know, interaction between some group that's generating
Speaker 6: a lot of money and they're doing it illegally, especially
Speaker 6: if it's you know, through drugs or guns or just
Speaker 6: some other kind of Even if it's violence, human trafficking,
Speaker 6: sex work, stuff like that, there's often a law enforcement component.
Speaker 4: So I mean, perhaps perhaps not impossible, right, and I
Speaker 4: appreciate that. Here's what we know for sure now. According
Speaker 4: to Kenyan police, nine bodies were found, not forty two nine,
Speaker 4: and they were found only after the relative. This is
Speaker 4: the official explanation. They were found only after the relative
Speaker 4: of a missing person. A missing woman said she had
Speaker 4: dreamed of something, so like a psychic investigator, she instructed
Speaker 4: the officials to search the dump site and without getting
Speaker 4: to graphic, these bodies were brutalized in horrific ways, and
Speaker 4: starting gosh, just last Friday, as we record, they began
Speaker 4: finding the sacks in which these bodies were thrown. The
Speaker 4: victims were between eighteen and thirty bodies in various stages.
Speaker 3: Of decomposition, and the.
Speaker 4: Police say, I don't know, let's pause there before we go,
Speaker 4: what do we think about the idea of someone having
Speaker 4: a dream or some sort of psychic intuition to launch
Speaker 4: an investigation? And we skeptical are we hearing it out?
Speaker 5: I mean, I always go back to our interview with
Speaker 5: Russell targ about you know, third Eye spies and you
Speaker 5: know the program that he headed up as that was funded
Speaker 5: by the government, and the idea that you could teach
Speaker 5: people to enhance their kind of pre cognitive kind of abilities.
Speaker 5: So that conversation really sold me to a degree on
Speaker 5: the possibility of this as a thing.
Speaker 7: I recently saw the movie Long Legs.
Speaker 5: Not to give anything away, but there is a character
Speaker 5: who has some form of precognition, and there's a scene
Speaker 5: where she's sort of tested on that precognitive ability. And
Speaker 5: I believe there's a fine line between intuition and psychic abilities,
Speaker 5: but I think it's a spectrum.
Speaker 7: So here, personally, I do think it's possible.
Speaker 6: I'm less likely to believe in that side of it
Speaker 6: and more in somebody either had intuition or knowledge. But
Speaker 6: that's just you know, because if you can have intuition
Speaker 6: about a situation, feel weird about somebody you talk to,
Speaker 6: but you're not sure, so you bring it up to
Speaker 6: an officer somewhere someday, and you're like, I don't know
Speaker 6: about this, but I would probably check this area because
Speaker 6: just and you just tell that person, because you don't
Speaker 6: want to get involved at all, You tell that law
Speaker 6: enforcement officer perhaps, Yeah, I don't know, I just have
Speaker 6: a feeling.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: Everybody read the book that we mentioned frequently in a
Speaker 4: few years back, The Gift of Fear by Gavin de Becker, Right,
Speaker 4: the idea of intuition there, And what I especially like
Speaker 4: about the points here is that the provable cases I
Speaker 4: can cite that I can prove, those provable cases that
Speaker 4: appear to appear to propose psychic powers as an inspiration
Speaker 4: or a lead in a murder or disappearance, the only
Speaker 4: ones I can prove are the ones that later turned
Speaker 4: out to be local law enforcement finding a different way
Speaker 4: to explain a different way to like support or rationalize
Speaker 4: technically illegal stuff they did.
Speaker 6: Got you case, you know, like searching a particular area
Speaker 6: when there's no cause to or maybe even no warrant to,
Speaker 6: but there's a big search party or something like.
Speaker 4: That, violating entrapment rules. Things like that. You know, it's
Speaker 4: that is far more common, and again just one entity
Speaker 4: saying that. Also for any le eos in the audience,
Speaker 4: you know that meet me here doc. You know that
Speaker 4: is anathema to an investigation claiming esp or dreams or claaravoyance.
Speaker 4: It is very high risk, to the point where it
Speaker 4: may be a career in the move just to say it.
Speaker 4: And the thing is though, here what's happened is nine
Speaker 4: people are provably dead, nine innocent women are dead, and
Speaker 4: the person who is alleged to have murdered these people
Speaker 4: says that there were forty two people he murdered. Furthermore,
Speaker 4: police officials did not say that this psychic led them
Speaker 4: to the suspect. In specific, they found a mobile phone
Speaker 4: belonging to one of the victims and they did what
Speaker 4: they would call a forensic analysis, the same kind of
Speaker 4: thing that's happening in Langley with the Yes, I have
Speaker 4: to say it, the alleged attempted assassin of Donald J. Trump, right,
Speaker 4: Thomas Matthew Crooks phone is in Langley right now, along
Speaker 4: with all his other comms. And they're going through it.
Speaker 4: And so in Kenya, the police said that this guy
Speaker 4: they arrested at that bar, he led them to a
Speaker 4: single room rental like a flophouse rental room. It was
Speaker 4: about one hundred meters away from this local dump site.
Speaker 4: And there they also found in this rental room, eight smartphones,
Speaker 4: two pairs of underwear, a machete, a pink handbag, the
Speaker 4: ID cards of six men and two women. In the
Speaker 4: ID cards of those six men, I think are going
Speaker 4: to be a subject of a particular interest going forward,
Speaker 4: and guys don't. I don't really know how we end
Speaker 4: this other than platforming and amplifying the facts here. You know,
Speaker 4: we talked a little bit in an episode or previous
Speaker 4: strange previous strange news. We talked about the murders in Austin, Texas,
Speaker 4: or the deaths in Austin, Texas which the public seems
Speaker 4: to increasingly believe, or the work of a serial killer.
Speaker 4: And Kenya, this arrest came just like less than a year,
Speaker 4: like six months after thirty one women were killed in
Speaker 4: that country in a single month and launched nationwide protests.
Speaker 4: There's always a context. It's never a vacuum.
Speaker 5: I don't know now, and I just want to say
Speaker 5: to you, I mean, I'm not saying that I think
Speaker 5: this particular case that there were psychic abilities at play.
Speaker 5: I just am saying, through various conversations with different people,
Speaker 5: including that target interview and the things that I've looked
Speaker 5: into since, I do believe that there is the possibility
Speaker 5: of the existence of such abilities. I don't know you
Speaker 5: know what that looks like in law enforcement. I just
Speaker 5: do think that whether anomalists or whatever they might be,
Speaker 5: I think it's out there in some capacity.
Speaker 3: So thank you for saying that.
Speaker 4: No, because as we all know, we don't talked about
Speaker 4: it much on air, but my family has some personal
Speaker 4: background claims of that nature, and we want to hear
Speaker 4: from you.
Speaker 7: Folks.
Speaker 4: Stay safe out there. Let us know what your take
Speaker 4: is on the idea of psychic intervention or other you know,
Speaker 4: conventionally inexplicable intervention in law enforcement and in crime invest negation.
Speaker 4: Tell us what's happening in your neck of the global woods.
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Speaker 6: And we've returned, and there are several weird things that
Speaker 6: people should be looking at and thinking about that have
Speaker 6: happened recently in the news that are just extra we're
Speaker 6: not really going to focus on today. The first one is,
Speaker 6: I guys, I think this maybe deserves a full episode.
Speaker 6: This Instagram influencer from Brazil. Her name is kat Torres.
Speaker 6: She just got sentenced to eight years in prison for
Speaker 6: human trafficking and slavery because she would she would invite
Speaker 6: young vulnerable women over from Brazil and other places and
Speaker 6: have them work as like in home assistance and all
Speaker 6: shares and stuff like that. And then you know, do
Speaker 6: the old take their passports, threaten them with violence, threaten
Speaker 6: them with all kinds of.
Speaker 4: Well, she have to call it the old.
Speaker 2: Why But we've mentioned this so many times.
Speaker 5: Reported on like I mean, I remember seeing for the
Speaker 5: first time in a Vice documentary probably ten years ago,
Speaker 5: just about some of these like literal organizations that do
Speaker 5: this where they stake the passports and keep people hostage
Speaker 5: and force them into sex work or slave labor or
Speaker 5: what have you.
Speaker 6: That's she ended up forcing several of them into sex work.
Speaker 6: And you know, it's like, if you don't give me
Speaker 6: this amount of money every month, then you can't live
Speaker 6: in the house or whatever, so you'll have to sleep
Speaker 6: on the street.
Speaker 2: And it's just it's an awful, awful story.
Speaker 6: But I think it's worth maybe a full episode because
Speaker 6: it's it's kind of long, there are a lot of
Speaker 6: details and this person, this is a person who was allegedly,
Speaker 6: according to BBC, hanging out with like Leonardo DiCaprio and
Speaker 6: other people who are very high up in those echelons.
Speaker 6: Leo DiCaprio hanging out with a young Instagram model. That's
Speaker 6: a whole other story. And again something we've mentioned.
Speaker 2: Man, I know you've mentioned that on the show before,
Speaker 2: all right.
Speaker 6: But that's a story worth looking at if you have
Speaker 6: time this week. Here's another one. This is an announcement
Speaker 6: that the United States Attorney's Office for the Middle District
Speaker 6: of Pennsylvania announced on July twelfth, that's Friday, July twelfth,
Speaker 6: twenty twenty four. Here it is they've arrested and charged
Speaker 6: a seven person group of alleged violent criminals. They're referring
Speaker 6: to as quote, the Fentinyl Robbery Gang Okay, yeah, or
Speaker 6: the FRG. Kind of a lame name, I think if
Speaker 6: you asked us, but that's kind of what they did.
Speaker 6: So they just named it what it is.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 6: Note, by the way, and this is something that US
Speaker 6: Attorney's Office says, indictments are only allegations. All persons charged
Speaker 6: are presumed to be innocent unless and until they're found guilty.
Speaker 4: In fine, true, it's true, it is true.
Speaker 3: I appreciate you saying.
Speaker 2: That it is true.
Speaker 6: And if you want to find the names of seven people,
Speaker 6: you can easily head on over to the US Attorney's
Speaker 6: Office of the Middle District of Pennsylvania or any news outlet.
Speaker 6: You'll find the names of all seven people. They range
Speaker 6: in age from twenty three to fifty and several men,
Speaker 6: several women. And here's what they're charged with. The superseding
Speaker 6: indictment includes one conspiracy to distribute a controlled substance resulting
Speaker 6: in death and serious bodily injury.
Speaker 7: Happy yeah.
Speaker 6: Two two counts of distributing fentanyl resulting in death in
Speaker 6: serious bodily injury. Three, two counts of brandishing firearms in
Speaker 6: furtherance of a drug trafficking crime. Four kidnapping, and on
Speaker 6: top of it all, aggravated identity theft after they were
Speaker 6: doing all that stuff, right, It's weird how that one
Speaker 6: comes after all, that, but okay.
Speaker 7: As opposed to super chill identity theft, this.
Speaker 6: Is yeah, yeah, that's an interesting term, but yes, this
Speaker 6: According to this indictment, the group was trafficking drugs and weapons,
Speaker 6: and they were using dating websites to connect with individuals
Speaker 6: who were interested in hiring sex workers. So that's a
Speaker 6: weird thing, dating websites with people interested in hiring sex workers.
Speaker 6: I guess there's a cross pollination there, or I didn't
Speaker 6: realize that that existed. I thought that those were separate things.
Speaker 6: But okay, that's what they were doing. And once they
Speaker 6: found somebody who was interested, right, a victim for them,
Speaker 6: members and associates would arrange to go to the victim's
Speaker 6: location wherever they were, with the intent to rob that
Speaker 6: victim of all kinds of things cash, phones, computers, firearms
Speaker 6: so that they could traffic those again ID so, any
Speaker 6: kind of identification documents, credit and debit cards, drugs, and
Speaker 6: anything else basically of value that they could take from
Speaker 6: that person. Here is where it starts to get crazy.
Speaker 6: Then it gets scary to me. The victim would be
Speaker 6: offered some kind of drugs. Usually it was cocaine, at
Speaker 6: least according to several people who survived their encounters with
Speaker 6: this group. That cocaine, though, would be laced with fentanyl,
Speaker 6: So if somebody one of these victims partook in that substance,
Speaker 6: it would have a very debilitating effect on that person
Speaker 6: pretty quickly. If the person refused the drugs, according to
Speaker 6: the indictment, they would administer it to them like some
Speaker 6: kind of ventanyl laced substance to that person forcibly, or
Speaker 6: they use the word surreptitiously, you know, secretly. Now here's
Speaker 6: the worst part. If a victim took those drugs and
Speaker 6: was not incapacitated or not incapacitated quickly enough, somebody who
Speaker 6: was already with that victim, probably in a house or
Speaker 6: in an apartment somewhere, would allow the others to come in.
Speaker 6: So unlock a door, open a door, a window, whatever
Speaker 6: it was. They would allow a home invasion robbery to
Speaker 6: occur with several other members of this group to come in,
Speaker 6: and according to the indictment, they would hold people at
Speaker 6: gunpoint or you know, with others some other kind of weapon,
Speaker 6: and they would also use violent means such as threatening
Speaker 6: the person, beating that person, or they again use the
Speaker 6: term aggravated.
Speaker 4: Assault son brandishing and exactly anybody who's esl here. The
Speaker 4: term brandishing is just the fancy English word for showing
Speaker 4: a firearmy a weapon and waving it around. It is
Speaker 4: not the same thing as firing. It's not the same
Speaker 4: thing as hitting someone with the butt of a firearm.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, and sometimes it's not the same as holding it.
Speaker 6: It's like you said, Ben, show it. I've got one, right,
Speaker 6: It's just the.
Speaker 4: Threat, basically, it's the implication.
Speaker 6: There you go, thank you a little bit of levity here.
Speaker 6: But this is horrible because this indictment alleges that there
Speaker 6: were dozens and dozens of crimes committed across seven states
Speaker 6: in the US.
Speaker 5: I mean, I think it gives me the most sinking
Speaker 5: feeling about this. This is like every flavor of taking
Speaker 5: advantage of a human being. This US is like every
Speaker 5: type of crime that we fear. As a homeowner, I'm
Speaker 5: scared of someone trying to come into my home and
Speaker 5: take my stuff. As maybe a person who is dated,
Speaker 5: you're always a little bit wary of someone not being
Speaker 5: who they say they are. The depths of betrayal and
Speaker 5: depravity and just absolute manipulation here are really unlike anything
Speaker 5: I've ever really heard of in one go all for
Speaker 5: the purposes of enriching themselves, you know, yes, like it's
Speaker 5: Jesu Louise. The level of brazenness, I think is what's
Speaker 5: taking me aback, you.
Speaker 6: Know, Oh for sure, it's horrifying. As I was saying, guys,
Speaker 6: just don't want to drive this home. Dozens of crimes
Speaker 6: across seven states, so we're talking. FBI was involved very
Speaker 6: quickly with this case. There were also four known overdose
Speaker 6: deaths because of the fentanyl that was in the drugs
Speaker 6: that was administered to victims, one in New Hampshire and
Speaker 6: three in Pennsylvania. And this is an ongoing FBI investigation
Speaker 6: as well as like the US Marshall Service, all of
Speaker 6: the various law enforcement agencies from those seven states. Everybody's
Speaker 6: involved trying to find anyone any more people besides these
Speaker 6: seven that are currently arrested and charged who were taking
Speaker 6: part in this in some kind of organized way. And
Speaker 6: that's going to include people who either bought guns or
Speaker 6: drugs from this group. So watch your back if you're
Speaker 6: out there, the FBI is coming. According to the FBI,
Speaker 6: you can there's a phone number you can call. Well,
Speaker 6: we'll put it out here. Do you have some information,
Speaker 6: call five seven zero three four four two four four
Speaker 6: and let the FBI know if you're comfortable doing that. Yikes,
Speaker 6: And the announcement that we're pulling all this information from
Speaker 6: you can find on Justice dot gov and just search
Speaker 6: for seven charged in wide ranging conspiracy resulting in the
Speaker 6: death of four victims. Guys, I don't have a ton
Speaker 6: more on this because there's not a lot known besides
Speaker 6: the fact that, at least according to more of that
Speaker 6: indictment that we didn't read, the entirety of this group
Speaker 6: of people was operating out of a residence in a
Speaker 6: place called garden Or, Maine. And we looked at a
Speaker 6: map just to check out where that is. I mean,
Speaker 6: I don't know enough about Maine to even say where
Speaker 6: it is.
Speaker 4: A little up north.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it looks like it's between Scranton and Hartford, Connecticut.
Speaker 7: I don't know.
Speaker 6: That's what I'm seeing north of New York.
Speaker 7: We go.
Speaker 4: We also, one thing I really appreciate about you bringing
Speaker 4: this story to our fellow conspiracy realist, Matt, is that
Speaker 4: points toward a larger trend which is occurring as we
Speaker 4: record and as we hear this our fellow listeners playing
Speaker 4: along at home. Fentanyl is being exceptionally and successfully weaponized
Speaker 4: because of the nature of the substance right because of
Speaker 4: the minuscule amount of the substance required to put someone
Speaker 4: at death's door or inside the threshold of the afterlife,
Speaker 4: it is an extremely effective vector for bad actors. I
Speaker 4: would be careful who you trust, and no judgment here,
Speaker 4: folks in terms of your you know, your local plug
Speaker 4: or however we're supposed to say it on air.
Speaker 7: But I would be very careful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh for sure.
Speaker 6: And I mean we've talked about this before, but I
Speaker 6: had a pretty close family member who appears to have
Speaker 6: purchased some tainted when that's how he overdosed and died
Speaker 6: on fentanyl. Yeah, I'm going to add a little bit
Speaker 6: more information here.
Speaker 2: This coming from.
Speaker 6: PBS wvia via NPR. It's all three of those all together.
Speaker 6: They're saying that the case got broken open way back
Speaker 6: in April in Scranton when there was a victim who
Speaker 6: had a bunch of stuff stolen, including his air pods,
Speaker 6: and he did the old track the AirPods thing, and
Speaker 6: he found him at a nearby hotel and the suspects
Speaker 6: inside the room, whereas AirPods were also stole a bunch
Speaker 6: of bank cards that were connected to the big investigation,
Speaker 6: where they realized, Okay, we've got at least a group
Speaker 6: of our people and I don't have all the details here,
Speaker 6: but they don't have all the details, but I guess
Speaker 6: that's how they connected all seven of those individuals who
Speaker 6: are currently arrested and indicted. And the second thing is
Speaker 6: several of the victims of this group were using meet
Speaker 6: Me Meet and Plenty of Fish, which are I guess
Speaker 6: two apps or services where you can meet people in
Speaker 6: the short term, and sometimes that can be for sex work.
Speaker 3: I see.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we've seen similar griffs in years past with things
Speaker 4: like Craigslist casual encounters, which was also low key. A
Speaker 4: couple of times it was a mrk recruitment situation, but
Speaker 4: we also see adult friend Finder would be another example.
Speaker 4: I think, Matt, what you're noting here. Another important point
Speaker 4: for everyone listening at home to know is that the
Speaker 4: good guys are often outnumbered, right because the good guys
Speaker 4: play by the rules ostensibly. However, the good guys have
Speaker 4: one tremendous advantage, which is that one slip up can
Speaker 4: open a case wide right.
Speaker 7: Yep.
Speaker 4: One slip up can lead to justice. And what you've
Speaker 4: described here, what these journalists describe here, does very much
Speaker 4: sound like one slip up that hopefully will lead to
Speaker 4: justice for many people.
Speaker 2: Oh certainly hope. So almoso.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna put this in here too, because PBS is
Speaker 6: saying it. According to the indictment, one of those seven
Speaker 6: people was the person in charge with I think the
Speaker 6: most nefarious thing, arranging to meet with individual victims and
Speaker 6: then potentially going inside the places of residence and then
Speaker 6: unlocking a window or a door or something. Her name
Speaker 6: is Amanda Marie Correas. She was twenty nine years old
Speaker 6: at the time of the arrest. So that's a young
Speaker 6: person and a terrifying set of actions to do.
Speaker 4: A lot of times, and is alive today.
Speaker 2: Mm hm.
Speaker 4: Well, if we were to say there is a moral
Speaker 4: or a takeaway from this disturbing tale, what would that
Speaker 4: takeaway be?
Speaker 6: Oh, don't use dating sites in some just show here.
Speaker 7: I don't know.
Speaker 6: I mean, just gotta be careful who you let into
Speaker 6: your personal space, especially if you think potentially you're taking
Speaker 6: part in sex work or something.
Speaker 2: You just gotta be I don't know.
Speaker 7: Guys.
Speaker 5: I think I may have mentioned that I had jury
Speaker 5: duty recently and I was not selected for the jury.
Speaker 5: But in the jury selection process they made it very
Speaker 5: clear that the case involved the defendants, who was a
Speaker 5: woman and two men were using dating apps to find
Speaker 5: people to then have the two dudes come in and
Speaker 5: rob the out of them.
Speaker 7: So I think this is not an uncommon grift.
Speaker 5: This version that you're describing here, Matt, though, is just
Speaker 5: probably the most elaborate and psychotic version that I've ever
Speaker 5: heard of.
Speaker 7: But it was very clear.
Speaker 5: They didn't tell you that exactly, but that's sort of
Speaker 5: they give you just enough information so you can kind
Speaker 5: of know, has something like this happened to me?
Speaker 3: Do?
Speaker 5: They were very interested in whether jurors, potential jurors had
Speaker 5: used dating apps for because that could potentially disqualify though
Speaker 5: if they had a negative experience or whatever.
Speaker 7: It might have been. So it's a very care factor. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a very common vector because there is relatively
Speaker 4: little way relatively little in the way of verification of identity. Again,
Speaker 4: you know, look, we give the cops a hard time
Speaker 4: often due to conspiracies in which factions of law enforcement
Speaker 4: have provably participated. But one thing we can say is
Speaker 4: that the success of predatory uses of these online interactions
Speaker 4: to identify and isolate victims, this is ten to ten
Speaker 4: what led to things like the safe meeting spots which
Speaker 4: you will see in you will see in law enforcement
Speaker 4: parking lots. You will also see, for example, things like
Speaker 4: safe parking spots in large private enterprises.
Speaker 6: Dude, I didn't know what that was when I went
Speaker 6: to a QT last time and I saw a safe
Speaker 6: space everywhere, you know whatever.
Speaker 4: It's just safe human trafficking to stop robberies.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know what does that mean exactly? This
Speaker 5: is new to me.
Speaker 6: Basically, if you meet there, it's a place designed so
Speaker 6: that if you do choose to meet somebody that you
Speaker 6: don't know, if you bought something on Facebook, you can
Speaker 6: meet there and it is considerably safer than meeting at
Speaker 6: your place, and you know, even at wherever else.
Speaker 7: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I was going to say Walmart, and.
Speaker 5: The companies are the companies are co signed on this,
Speaker 5: where they're basically saying this is like okay.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, this is in that case. These are sort
Speaker 4: of what we call private initiatives. However, look, let's be
Speaker 4: honest sometimes you don't want to deal observed, which makes sense.
Speaker 4: It's not necessarily insidious in that regard. However, if you
Speaker 4: are in a situation where you are speaking with a
Speaker 4: stranger online who beat me here doc could be frecking anybody,
Speaker 4: then it is in your best interest to have a
Speaker 4: public observable location for your initial interaction. And if the
Speaker 4: person on the other side of the creepy algorithm or
Speaker 4: the great pipes of the Internet, if they're not on
Speaker 4: board with that, you should consider that a flag, not
Speaker 4: necessarily saying they're a bad faith actor or up to shenanigans, but.
Speaker 6: Why not make a different choice then? In that situation,
Speaker 6: it's the Internet.
Speaker 4: You can go anywhere, check it with someone else. Isn't
Speaker 4: that what dating sites are all about?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 4: Heish, Yeah, plenty of fish farmers, alies wipe left on
Speaker 4: the BS.
Speaker 2: What are you gonna do? Meet me? You're gonna meet me?
Speaker 7: Meet me.
Speaker 4: When you first meet me, I thought it was maybe
Speaker 4: like a online thing for trading stakes, oh or super
Speaker 4: plugged in.
Speaker 5: Or I will say, you know, I've done plenty of
Speaker 5: online dating, and I've been with the same person for
Speaker 5: about four years now, almost, But we met through online dating,
Speaker 5: but I've never once had a meet with someone where
Speaker 5: I didn't get a secondary social media of some kind
Speaker 5: in advance, whether it be Instagram or something where you
Speaker 5: could see a real history, not just the kind of
Speaker 5: stuff that a bot would create, where you can see,
Speaker 5: oh we have mutual friends.
Speaker 7: Oh wow, you know you know like I mean.
Speaker 5: But again, I know I'm not maybe the target audience
Speaker 5: for a scam like this. Perhaps I'm not looking for
Speaker 5: sex work. I'm trying to meet somebody, so I'm looking
Speaker 5: for shared interests, you know. I usually the chat period
Speaker 5: goes on for a good little bit before we meet up.
Speaker 5: So I would just maybe encourage that if you are
Speaker 5: using dating apps to meet somebody, I would just say,
Speaker 5: offer up a secondary form of social medias and ask
Speaker 5: for the same in exchange, just to prove that you're
Speaker 5: dealing with someone that doesn't.
Speaker 7: Mean you harm and as much as you can.
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