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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is Noah.

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Speaker 3: They call me Ben.

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Speaker 4: We're joined as always with our super producer Alexis code

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Speaker 4: named Doc Holliday Jackson. Most importantly, you are here. That

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Speaker 4: makes this the stuff they don't want you to know.

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Speaker 4: Brush your shoulders off, folks, we've made it to another evening.

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Speaker 4: Now before we begin a little bit of housekeeping here

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Speaker 4: for our strange news program, We, like everybody in the

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Speaker 4: United States and the world entire kept a close eye

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Speaker 4: on the attempt assassination of former President Donald J.

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Speaker 2: Trump.

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Speaker 4: We do have a breaking news episode that we put

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Speaker 4: out on that on that subject, on those events. You

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Speaker 4: can listen to it now wherever podcasts are available.

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Speaker 5: As far as this exact moment in the news cycle,

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Speaker 5: I don't know that there have been any particularly new

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Speaker 5: earth shattering revelation that we didn't discuss in that episode.

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Speaker 5: Is there anything you guys want to add that maybe

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Speaker 5: we didn't cover? That's kind of popped out that maybe

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Speaker 5: I'm missing.

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Speaker 6: The biggest thing for me is that people were watching

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Speaker 6: there's video.

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Speaker 7: Oh yeah, like he's got to go on there he is.

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Speaker 5: Yes, look look please, plenty of time, more than enough time,

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Speaker 5: an absurd amount of time.

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Speaker 6: That was pretty shocking, it really is. But you know,

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Speaker 6: other than that, you guys did a really great job.

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Speaker 6: I really liked that episode. I got a chance to

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Speaker 6: listen to it before it came out in Really good

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Speaker 6: job guys.

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Speaker 3: That's very kind, Thank you, Matt.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we also know it was the first, what we

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Speaker 4: would say, near JFK level operation of its type in

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Speaker 4: the world of abiquitous social media, so more details will emerge.

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Speaker 4: We just want to get that out of the way.

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Speaker 5: I did have one little thing I believe on the episode,

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Speaker 5: we already shouted out friend of the show, Frank, and

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Speaker 5: he was listening to it and sent me a text

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Speaker 5: thank you Gus for the shout out, and then he said,

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Speaker 5: we were asking good questions about the other roof and asked,

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Speaker 5: did you hear at the head of the USS made

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Speaker 5: the decision to not put someone on the roof because

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Speaker 4: So yeah, I continuing, thank you to everybody reached out

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Speaker 4: to us as a group or to me specifically about that. Again,

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Speaker 4: check out the episode. It seems like when you have

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Speaker 4: a lot of moving parts, you also have a higher

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Speaker 4: likelihood of different organizations saying not my problem or someone

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Speaker 4: else's job.

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Speaker 6: And just one last thing to add here. Weird enough,

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Speaker 6: and it's mildly connected. But just because this is happening,

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Speaker 6: I'm gonna plug a show that's coming out in September

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Speaker 6: through through our team. It's it's called Rip Current and

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Speaker 6: it is about the two attempted assassinations of Gerald Ford.

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Speaker 6: And it's a really interesting tale of two women who

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Speaker 6: attempted to kill a president and failed. And just it's

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Speaker 2: Look for it. It's going to be called Rip Current.

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Speaker 3: And thank you for that shout out.

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Speaker 7: Man.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I mean I certainly think everyone's interested, you know,

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Speaker 5: kind of circumstances leading to it.

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Speaker 7: Being a failure.

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Speaker 5: But boy was in a perfect storm of kind of successes,

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Speaker 5: you know, happenstances and then ultimately failures.

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Speaker 4: Great way to get Epstein documents out of the news,

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Speaker 4: along with a couple of criminal cases. All right, I

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Speaker 4: much to get to this evening. We also in our notes, folks,

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Speaker 7: There are.

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Speaker 4: Numerous bodies being discovered in Kenya as we record. There

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Speaker 4: is an update from the founder of ocean Gate, and

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Speaker 4: there are a lot of spies getting busted. You guys,

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Speaker 3: Do you remember that, I do, Yes, I do?

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Speaker 7: Okay, Oh cool.

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Speaker 6: Well, it's because we were talking about that guy specifically

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Speaker 6: that was spying for Cuba who was working in high

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Speaker 6: other person, one of the a Senator Bob Menendez was

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Speaker 6: just caught taking some crazy bribes apparently working for other countries.

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Speaker 2: Was it Egypt like working for Egypt?

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Speaker 4: Yes, well, working for someone who works for Egypt is

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Speaker 4: probably got it the most accurate, you know, you want

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Speaker 4: the hand And also shout out to Ken Jim Chol

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Speaker 7: Was weird, he still was a part.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So we're going to pause and then we are

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Speaker 4: going to dive into some updates on ocean Gate.

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Speaker 7: And we rip serve.

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Speaker 5: Do you guys remember ocean Gate, Remember that little debacle

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Speaker 5: with the PlayStation controller and everything.

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Speaker 4: And the sub that the private sub that imploded. While

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Speaker 4: that's attempting to take some very well, to do very

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Speaker 4: well to the wreckage of the Titanic, that's.

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Speaker 5: Right, and all the while naysayers, you know, we're chiming

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Speaker 5: true lies all of that stuff, he also is, I

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Speaker 5: resources and wealth to this very thing, these very very deep,

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Speaker 5: So we also know that there's another billionaire out there

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Speaker 5: Every life is important, but it is a little bit

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Speaker 7: Of hubris in some of these you know, billionaires.

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Speaker 5: It just thinks it's because they have money that means

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Speaker 5: So one of the co founders of ocean Gate, an

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Speaker 5: colonize the Moon, you know that old chestnut, Let's colonize

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Speaker 5: So that'll be what the society is and he believes

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Speaker 5: pilot program for it is. One of the programs associated

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Speaker 7: He says.

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Speaker 5: It is a basic hut comparable to a double wide

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Speaker 7: And I don't know, Ben, this made me think of you.

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Speaker 5: He is kind of talking about it being like a

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Speaker 5: Sixteen tenants have been selected to utilize the Moon's unique

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Speaker 5: to Earth. According to a statement from Project Moon Hut,

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Speaker 5: this marks the beginning of the mirth economic system, and

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Speaker 5: twenty forty six. And you know, how's about six hundred people.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, could you.

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Speaker 4: Real quick for those of us in the crowd tonight,

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Speaker 4: could you spell out mirth so at the body knows

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Speaker 4: it's not m I R now, it's not.

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Speaker 5: Mirth like the quality of happiness and lightheartedness. It's it's

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Speaker 5: like a portmanteau of Moon and Earth. It's pretty cringe

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Speaker 5: mirth Okay, and the people this is you can't make

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Speaker 5: this stuff up, guys, Well, actually you could.

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Speaker 7: That's I guess that's the opposite.

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Speaker 5: It's the kind of stuff you normally find in science

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Speaker 7: The people that were that are colonizing, he would refer

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Speaker 7: to them as spacers. Does that not sound like something

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Speaker 7: think it already exists. I'm certain I've heard spaceers somewhere.

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Speaker 3: Before video games as well.

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Speaker 7: I think you're absolutely right.

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Speaker 5: He has this to say as well, or at least

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Speaker 5: a statement from Project Moon Hut, which just I don't know,

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Speaker 5: just you think of like a like a restaurant that.

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Speaker 4: Sells sweet space food space.

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Speaker 5: The advancements made in technology, science, and innovation have made

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Speaker 5: it possible to create a new way of life on

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Speaker 5: the Moon, one that is almost as normal as living

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Speaker 5: in different places on Earth.

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Speaker 7: This community represents a new hope we.

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Speaker 5: Never heard of, new hope from I don't know what

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Speaker 5: that's sounds familiar for the future of humanity, uh and

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Speaker 5: all species on Earth. The lessons learned for this endeavor

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Speaker 5: will undoubtedly have far reaching impacts on our understanding of

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Speaker 7: It's still on.

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Speaker 5: Any of these infographics doesn't really tell you what they're

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Speaker 4: They're like, it might be worth it to move this water.

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Speaker 7: Exactly what we're talking about.

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Speaker 5: There's no benevolence here, like thinking about preserving the human.

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Speaker 5: It's more of a like, how can we, you know,

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Speaker 7: But we'll see.

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Speaker 5: Maybe I'm wrong, And it's certainly something that a lot

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Speaker 7: We also know what Elon Musk's plan down.

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Speaker 5: To say that he's whatever smarter being I don't know,

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Speaker 7: His plan to colonize Mars.

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Speaker 5: So I don't know it's gonna be Mars, gonna be

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Speaker 6: Who can I add one more thing here? Please, just

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Speaker 2: It's really interesting.

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Speaker 4: Oh also check out our earlier episode interview with our

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Speaker 5: Well, we'll take a quick break here worth from our

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Speaker 5: sponsor and be back with more Strange News.

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Speaker 4: And we have returned. You know, folks, one of the

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Speaker 4: pickles about the Strange News program is that there are

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Speaker 4: so many stories in the world, and we're right there

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Speaker 4: with you. We know that just like Japanese, these Japanese

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Speaker 4: local political candidates, every story is fighting for press. There

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Speaker 4: are plenty of cults, such plenty of cult news such

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Speaker 4: that we may need to get a full examination of

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Speaker 4: that in the future. Before we begin the second act

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Speaker 4: of our Strange News segments. Let's see we mentioned spies. Oh,

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Speaker 4: I thought this would be a particular interest to you guys.

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Speaker 4: The Malaysian National Registration Department has officially told Malaysian nationals

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Speaker 4: that they cannot name their kids Bodo, Evil or Skibbety.

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Speaker 4: What no scidity as a first name has become an

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Speaker 4: issue in Malaysia.

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Speaker 7: How about that?

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Speaker 2: No Skibbity, Skimmity.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so we wanted to let you know. If you're

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Speaker 4: a Malaysian national listening tonight, there are other names, but

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Speaker 4: also fight the power right if your name is Givity,

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Speaker 4: if you're naming your child s Givity, let us know

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Speaker 4: because we want good news. A lot of what we

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Speaker 4: explore is often disturbing and troubling news. And so one

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Speaker 4: thing for any true crime student that may not have

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Speaker 4: hit your news in the United States, there is a

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Speaker 4: serial killer who just got apprehended in the nation of Kenya.

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Speaker 4: Let's just give you the story from Reuters on fifteen July.

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Speaker 4: We are recording this on the evening of seventeen July,

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Speaker 4: which is a Wednesday. A suspected serial killer, they say,

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Speaker 4: has been arrested in Kenya following the discovery of several

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Speaker 4: bodies at Akwari and Nairobi, with police saying on Monday

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Speaker 4: he confessed to killing forty two different women, including his wife.

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Speaker 4: Forty two different people. He's thirty three years old. Collins Jumasi.

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Speaker 4: You can hear a little bit of reporting on this

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Speaker 4: in outfits like New York Times or BBC Global News.

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Speaker 4: Full name Collins Jumasi Kalusha. He confessed to having lured,

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Speaker 4: murdered and disposed almost fifty women, including his former spouse,

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Speaker 4: at a local dump site in a neighborhood called Macruro

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Speaker 4: So when he was when he had committed these evil deeds.

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Speaker 4: Afterwards he put the remains in bags and he had

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Speaker 4: been doing this since twenty twenty two. He was apprehended

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Speaker 4: in the wee hours of the morning, watching a football

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Speaker 4: championship at a local bar. And before we do anything else,

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Speaker 4: had you guys heard about this story.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure it clocked.

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Speaker 2: This is the first I've heard of it and it

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Speaker 2: is new to me.

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Speaker 4: This is troubling because Kenya has been in the news

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Speaker 4: in recent years for accusations of active serial murderers. We

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Speaker 4: can go to a statement by Mohammed Amin, who is

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Speaker 4: the director of the Police Department's Directorate of Criminal Investigations,

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Speaker 4: and he says they got the confession, the confession is clean.

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Speaker 4: They're still investigating the motive behind the killings. Kenya, for context,

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Speaker 4: is a nation of about fifty five million people and

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Speaker 4: other countries in that region. There's been a lot of

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Speaker 4: social unrest of late. There were protests about tax hikes

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Speaker 4: that turned deadly. The corruption has radicalized some people. And

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Speaker 4: the troubling thing is whenever you hear about student run

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Speaker 4: movements in a lot of countries, they're used as proxy

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Speaker 4: warfare territory. You always have to wonder, you know, if

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Speaker 4: there's the Cia or Wagner with her hand in the

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Speaker 4: cookie jar there, Uh, there are protests aimed at unseeding

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Speaker 4: the current president. Women and female identifying individuals in Kenya

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Speaker 4: have long been trying to call attention to an accelerating

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Speaker 4: wave of femicide and gender based violence that is occurring

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Speaker 4: in Kenya. It's similar to you guys, remember you guys,

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Speaker 4: remember the stories about Latin America, Mexico and Central America

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Speaker 4: in particular with the murders of women by drug cartels

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Speaker 4: and cults.

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Speaker 5: Well, there was the podcast series The.

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Speaker 7: By Oz. You know, he had a big hand in it.

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Speaker 5: It's a harrowing Yes, absolutely heard those stories.

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Speaker 4: So one of the questions here is what happens next

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Speaker 4: as we record this evening, the authorities assure the public

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Speaker 4: that they are attempting to identify the bodies they have found.

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Speaker 7: They have not.

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Speaker 4: Located forty two distinct cadavers. Instead, they have the confession

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Speaker 4: of this guy who says that he specifically murdered forty

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Speaker 4: two women. What we're also seeing now as the fallout,

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Speaker 4: is that the locals, the public doesn't trust the authorities,

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Speaker 4: and you know, perhaps with validity one conspiracy I guess

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Speaker 4: you could call it, or conspiratorial thought that has sprang

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Speaker 4: up in the interim here is the idea that the

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Speaker 4: police are closing out cases right, perhaps maybe falsely reporting

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Speaker 4: confessions or pushing the murderer to confess to things that

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Speaker 4: never actually happened. And this is very similar to the

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Speaker 4: approvable case of Henry Lee Lucas, who definitely did not

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Speaker 4: kill three hundred people because he was provably not in

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Speaker 4: the physical location when those murders occurred. And with here,

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Speaker 4: I'd like to go to you met to maybe with

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Speaker 4: your experience as an executive producer and some tenderfoot and

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Speaker 4: monster investigations, is it possible in your opinion that the

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Speaker 4: local law enforcement may be opportunistic here or is there

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Speaker 4: validity to that concern.

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Speaker 6: I don't know enough about it to make a judgment

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Speaker 6: call there, but potentially, yeah, if there are crooked law

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Speaker 6: enforcement officers anywhere, and there are often, is there some

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Speaker 6: kind of you know, interaction between some group that's generating

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Speaker 6: a lot of money and they're doing it illegally, especially

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Speaker 6: if it's you know, through drugs or guns or just

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Speaker 6: some other kind of Even if it's violence, human trafficking,

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Speaker 6: sex work, stuff like that, there's often a law enforcement component.

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Speaker 4: So I mean, perhaps perhaps not impossible, right, and I

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Speaker 4: appreciate that. Here's what we know for sure now. According

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Speaker 4: to Kenyan police, nine bodies were found, not forty two nine,

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Speaker 4: and they were found only after the relative. This is

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Speaker 4: the official explanation. They were found only after the relative

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Speaker 4: of a missing person. A missing woman said she had

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Speaker 4: dreamed of something, so like a psychic investigator, she instructed

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Speaker 4: the officials to search the dump site and without getting

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Speaker 4: to graphic, these bodies were brutalized in horrific ways, and

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Speaker 4: starting gosh, just last Friday, as we record, they began

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Speaker 4: finding the sacks in which these bodies were thrown. The

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Speaker 4: victims were between eighteen and thirty bodies in various stages.

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Speaker 3: Of decomposition, and the.

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Speaker 4: Police say, I don't know, let's pause there before we go,

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Speaker 4: what do we think about the idea of someone having

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Speaker 4: a dream or some sort of psychic intuition to launch

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Speaker 4: an investigation? And we skeptical are we hearing it out?

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Speaker 5: I mean, I always go back to our interview with

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Speaker 5: Russell targ about you know, third Eye spies and you

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Speaker 5: know the program that he headed up as that was funded

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Speaker 5: by the government, and the idea that you could teach

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Speaker 5: people to enhance their kind of pre cognitive kind of abilities.

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Speaker 5: So that conversation really sold me to a degree on

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Speaker 5: the possibility of this as a thing.

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Speaker 7: I recently saw the movie Long Legs.

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Speaker 5: Not to give anything away, but there is a character

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Speaker 5: who has some form of precognition, and there's a scene

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Speaker 5: where she's sort of tested on that precognitive ability. And

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Speaker 5: I believe there's a fine line between intuition and psychic abilities,

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Speaker 5: but I think it's a spectrum.

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Speaker 7: So here, personally, I do think it's possible.

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Speaker 6: I'm less likely to believe in that side of it

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Speaker 6: and more in somebody either had intuition or knowledge. But

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Speaker 6: that's just you know, because if you can have intuition

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Speaker 6: about a situation, feel weird about somebody you talk to,

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Speaker 6: but you're not sure, so you bring it up to

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Speaker 6: an officer somewhere someday, and you're like, I don't know

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Speaker 6: about this, but I would probably check this area because

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Speaker 6: just and you just tell that person, because you don't

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Speaker 6: want to get involved at all, You tell that law

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Speaker 6: enforcement officer perhaps, Yeah, I don't know, I just have

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Speaker 6: a feeling.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 4: Everybody read the book that we mentioned frequently in a

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Speaker 4: few years back, The Gift of Fear by Gavin de Becker, Right,

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Speaker 4: the idea of intuition there, And what I especially like

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Speaker 4: about the points here is that the provable cases I

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Speaker 4: can cite that I can prove, those provable cases that

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Speaker 4: appear to appear to propose psychic powers as an inspiration

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Speaker 4: or a lead in a murder or disappearance, the only

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Speaker 4: ones I can prove are the ones that later turned

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Speaker 4: out to be local law enforcement finding a different way

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Speaker 4: to explain a different way to like support or rationalize

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Speaker 4: technically illegal stuff they did.

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Speaker 6: Got you case, you know, like searching a particular area

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Speaker 6: when there's no cause to or maybe even no warrant to,

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Speaker 6: but there's a big search party or something like.

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Speaker 4: That, violating entrapment rules. Things like that. You know, it's

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Speaker 4: that is far more common, and again just one entity

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Speaker 4: saying that. Also for any le eos in the audience,

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Speaker 4: you know that meet me here doc. You know that

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Speaker 4: is anathema to an investigation claiming esp or dreams or claaravoyance.

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Speaker 4: It is very high risk, to the point where it

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Speaker 4: may be a career in the move just to say it.

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Speaker 4: And the thing is though, here what's happened is nine

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Speaker 4: people are provably dead, nine innocent women are dead, and

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Speaker 4: the person who is alleged to have murdered these people

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Speaker 4: says that there were forty two people he murdered. Furthermore,

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Speaker 4: police officials did not say that this psychic led them

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Speaker 4: to the suspect. In specific, they found a mobile phone

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Speaker 4: belonging to one of the victims and they did what

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Speaker 4: they would call a forensic analysis, the same kind of

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Speaker 4: thing that's happening in Langley with the Yes, I have

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Speaker 4: to say it, the alleged attempted assassin of Donald J. Trump, right,

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Speaker 4: Thomas Matthew Crooks phone is in Langley right now, along

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Speaker 4: with all his other comms. And they're going through it.

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Speaker 4: And so in Kenya, the police said that this guy

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Speaker 4: they arrested at that bar, he led them to a

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Speaker 4: single room rental like a flophouse rental room. It was

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Speaker 4: about one hundred meters away from this local dump site.

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Speaker 4: And there they also found in this rental room, eight smartphones,

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Speaker 4: two pairs of underwear, a machete, a pink handbag, the

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Speaker 4: ID cards of six men and two women. In the

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Speaker 4: ID cards of those six men, I think are going

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Speaker 4: to be a subject of a particular interest going forward,

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Speaker 4: and guys don't. I don't really know how we end

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Speaker 4: this other than platforming and amplifying the facts here. You know,

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Speaker 4: we talked a little bit in an episode or previous

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Speaker 4: strange previous strange news. We talked about the murders in Austin, Texas,

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Speaker 4: or the deaths in Austin, Texas which the public seems

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Speaker 4: to increasingly believe, or the work of a serial killer.

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Speaker 4: And Kenya, this arrest came just like less than a year,

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Speaker 4: like six months after thirty one women were killed in

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Speaker 4: that country in a single month and launched nationwide protests.

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Speaker 4: There's always a context. It's never a vacuum.

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Speaker 5: I don't know now, and I just want to say

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Speaker 5: to you, I mean, I'm not saying that I think

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Speaker 5: this particular case that there were psychic abilities at play.

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Speaker 5: I just am saying, through various conversations with different people,

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Speaker 5: including that target interview and the things that I've looked

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Speaker 5: into since, I do believe that there is the possibility

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Speaker 5: of the existence of such abilities. I don't know you

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Speaker 5: know what that looks like in law enforcement. I just

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Speaker 5: do think that whether anomalists or whatever they might be,

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Speaker 5: I think it's out there in some capacity.

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Speaker 3: So thank you for saying that.

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Speaker 4: No, because as we all know, we don't talked about

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Speaker 4: it much on air, but my family has some personal

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Speaker 4: background claims of that nature, and we want to hear

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Speaker 4: from you.

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Speaker 7: Folks.

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Speaker 4: Stay safe out there. Let us know what your take

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Speaker 4: is on the idea of psychic intervention or other you know,

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Speaker 4: conventionally inexplicable intervention in law enforcement and in crime invest negation.

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Speaker 4: Tell us what's happening in your neck of the global woods.

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Speaker 4: We're going to pause for a word from our sponsor

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Speaker 4: and then we'll return with more strange news.

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Speaker 6: And we've returned, and there are several weird things that

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Speaker 6: people should be looking at and thinking about that have

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Speaker 6: happened recently in the news that are just extra we're

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Speaker 6: not really going to focus on today. The first one is,

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Speaker 6: I guys, I think this maybe deserves a full episode.

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Speaker 6: This Instagram influencer from Brazil. Her name is kat Torres.

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Speaker 6: She just got sentenced to eight years in prison for

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Speaker 6: human trafficking and slavery because she would she would invite

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Speaker 6: young vulnerable women over from Brazil and other places and

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Speaker 6: have them work as like in home assistance and all

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Speaker 6: shares and stuff like that. And then you know, do

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Speaker 6: the old take their passports, threaten them with violence, threaten

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Speaker 6: them with all kinds of.

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Speaker 4: Well, she have to call it the old.

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Speaker 2: Why But we've mentioned this so many times.

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Speaker 5: Reported on like I mean, I remember seeing for the

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Speaker 5: first time in a Vice documentary probably ten years ago,

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Speaker 5: just about some of these like literal organizations that do

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Speaker 5: this where they stake the passports and keep people hostage

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Speaker 5: and force them into sex work or slave labor or

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Speaker 5: what have you.

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Speaker 6: That's she ended up forcing several of them into sex work.

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Speaker 6: And you know, it's like, if you don't give me

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Speaker 6: this amount of money every month, then you can't live

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Speaker 6: in the house or whatever, so you'll have to sleep

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Speaker 6: on the street.

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Speaker 2: And it's just it's an awful, awful story.

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Speaker 6: But I think it's worth maybe a full episode because

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Speaker 6: it's it's kind of long, there are a lot of

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Speaker 6: details and this person, this is a person who was allegedly,

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Speaker 6: according to BBC, hanging out with like Leonardo DiCaprio and

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Speaker 6: other people who are very high up in those echelons.

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Speaker 6: Leo DiCaprio hanging out with a young Instagram model. That's

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Speaker 6: a whole other story. And again something we've mentioned.

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Speaker 2: Man, I know you've mentioned that on the show before,

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Speaker 2: all right.

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Speaker 6: But that's a story worth looking at if you have

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Speaker 6: time this week. Here's another one. This is an announcement

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Speaker 6: that the United States Attorney's Office for the Middle District

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Speaker 6: of Pennsylvania announced on July twelfth, that's Friday, July twelfth,

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Speaker 6: twenty twenty four. Here it is they've arrested and charged

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Speaker 6: a seven person group of alleged violent criminals. They're referring

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Speaker 6: to as quote, the Fentinyl Robbery Gang Okay, yeah, or

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Speaker 6: the FRG. Kind of a lame name, I think if

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Speaker 6: you asked us, but that's kind of what they did.

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Speaker 6: So they just named it what it is.

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Speaker 7: Right.

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Speaker 6: Note, by the way, and this is something that US

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Speaker 6: Attorney's Office says, indictments are only allegations. All persons charged

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Speaker 6: are presumed to be innocent unless and until they're found guilty.

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Speaker 4: In fine, true, it's true, it is true.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate you saying.

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Speaker 2: That it is true.

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Speaker 6: And if you want to find the names of seven people,

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Speaker 6: you can easily head on over to the US Attorney's

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Speaker 6: Office of the Middle District of Pennsylvania or any news outlet.

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Speaker 6: You'll find the names of all seven people. They range

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Speaker 6: in age from twenty three to fifty and several men,

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Speaker 6: several women. And here's what they're charged with. The superseding

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Speaker 6: indictment includes one conspiracy to distribute a controlled substance resulting

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Speaker 6: in death and serious bodily injury.

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Speaker 7: Happy yeah.

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Speaker 6: Two two counts of distributing fentanyl resulting in death in

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Speaker 6: serious bodily injury. Three, two counts of brandishing firearms in

725
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Speaker 6: furtherance of a drug trafficking crime. Four kidnapping, and on

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Speaker 6: top of it all, aggravated identity theft after they were

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Speaker 6: doing all that stuff, right, It's weird how that one

728
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Speaker 6: comes after all, that, but okay.

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Speaker 7: As opposed to super chill identity theft, this.

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Speaker 6: Is yeah, yeah, that's an interesting term, but yes, this

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Speaker 6: According to this indictment, the group was trafficking drugs and weapons,

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Speaker 6: and they were using dating websites to connect with individuals

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Speaker 6: who were interested in hiring sex workers. So that's a

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Speaker 6: weird thing, dating websites with people interested in hiring sex workers.

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Speaker 6: I guess there's a cross pollination there, or I didn't

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Speaker 6: realize that that existed. I thought that those were separate things.

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Speaker 6: But okay, that's what they were doing. And once they

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Speaker 6: found somebody who was interested, right, a victim for them,

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Speaker 6: members and associates would arrange to go to the victim's

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Speaker 6: location wherever they were, with the intent to rob that

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Speaker 6: victim of all kinds of things cash, phones, computers, firearms

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Speaker 6: so that they could traffic those again ID so, any

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Speaker 6: kind of identification documents, credit and debit cards, drugs, and

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Speaker 6: anything else basically of value that they could take from

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Speaker 6: that person. Here is where it starts to get crazy.

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Speaker 6: Then it gets scary to me. The victim would be

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Speaker 6: offered some kind of drugs. Usually it was cocaine, at

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Speaker 6: least according to several people who survived their encounters with

749
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Speaker 6: this group. That cocaine, though, would be laced with fentanyl,

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Speaker 6: So if somebody one of these victims partook in that substance,

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Speaker 6: it would have a very debilitating effect on that person

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Speaker 6: pretty quickly. If the person refused the drugs, according to

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Speaker 6: the indictment, they would administer it to them like some

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Speaker 6: kind of ventanyl laced substance to that person forcibly, or

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Speaker 6: they use the word surreptitiously, you know, secretly. Now here's

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Speaker 6: the worst part. If a victim took those drugs and

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Speaker 6: was not incapacitated or not incapacitated quickly enough, somebody who

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Speaker 6: was already with that victim, probably in a house or

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Speaker 6: in an apartment somewhere, would allow the others to come in.

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Speaker 6: So unlock a door, open a door, a window, whatever

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Speaker 6: it was. They would allow a home invasion robbery to

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Speaker 6: occur with several other members of this group to come in,

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Speaker 6: and according to the indictment, they would hold people at

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Speaker 6: gunpoint or you know, with others some other kind of weapon,

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Speaker 6: and they would also use violent means such as threatening

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Speaker 6: the person, beating that person, or they again use the

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Speaker 6: term aggravated.

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Speaker 4: Assault son brandishing and exactly anybody who's esl here. The

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Speaker 4: term brandishing is just the fancy English word for showing

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Speaker 4: a firearmy a weapon and waving it around. It is

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Speaker 4: not the same thing as firing. It's not the same

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Speaker 4: thing as hitting someone with the butt of a firearm.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, and sometimes it's not the same as holding it.

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Speaker 6: It's like you said, Ben, show it. I've got one, right,

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Speaker 6: It's just the.

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Speaker 4: Threat, basically, it's the implication.

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Speaker 6: There you go, thank you a little bit of levity here.

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Speaker 6: But this is horrible because this indictment alleges that there

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Speaker 6: were dozens and dozens of crimes committed across seven states

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Speaker 6: in the US.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I think it gives me the most sinking

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Speaker 5: feeling about this. This is like every flavor of taking

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Speaker 5: advantage of a human being. This US is like every

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Speaker 5: type of crime that we fear. As a homeowner, I'm

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Speaker 5: scared of someone trying to come into my home and

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Speaker 5: take my stuff. As maybe a person who is dated,

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Speaker 5: you're always a little bit wary of someone not being

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Speaker 5: who they say they are. The depths of betrayal and

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Speaker 5: depravity and just absolute manipulation here are really unlike anything

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Speaker 5: I've ever really heard of in one go all for

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Speaker 5: the purposes of enriching themselves, you know, yes, like it's

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Speaker 5: Jesu Louise. The level of brazenness, I think is what's

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Speaker 5: taking me aback, you.

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Speaker 6: Know, Oh for sure, it's horrifying. As I was saying, guys,

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Speaker 6: just don't want to drive this home. Dozens of crimes

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Speaker 6: across seven states, so we're talking. FBI was involved very

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Speaker 6: quickly with this case. There were also four known overdose

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Speaker 6: deaths because of the fentanyl that was in the drugs

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Speaker 6: that was administered to victims, one in New Hampshire and

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Speaker 6: three in Pennsylvania. And this is an ongoing FBI investigation

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Speaker 6: as well as like the US Marshall Service, all of

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Speaker 6: the various law enforcement agencies from those seven states. Everybody's

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Speaker 6: involved trying to find anyone any more people besides these

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Speaker 6: seven that are currently arrested and charged who were taking

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Speaker 6: part in this in some kind of organized way. And

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Speaker 6: that's going to include people who either bought guns or

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Speaker 6: drugs from this group. So watch your back if you're

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Speaker 6: out there, the FBI is coming. According to the FBI,

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Speaker 6: you can there's a phone number you can call. Well,

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Speaker 6: we'll put it out here. Do you have some information,

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Speaker 6: call five seven zero three four four two four four

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Speaker 6: and let the FBI know if you're comfortable doing that. Yikes,

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Speaker 6: And the announcement that we're pulling all this information from

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Speaker 6: you can find on Justice dot gov and just search

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Speaker 6: for seven charged in wide ranging conspiracy resulting in the

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Speaker 6: death of four victims. Guys, I don't have a ton

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Speaker 6: more on this because there's not a lot known besides

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Speaker 6: the fact that, at least according to more of that

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Speaker 6: indictment that we didn't read, the entirety of this group

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Speaker 6: of people was operating out of a residence in a

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Speaker 6: place called garden Or, Maine. And we looked at a

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Speaker 6: map just to check out where that is. I mean,

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Speaker 6: I don't know enough about Maine to even say where

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Speaker 6: it is.

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Speaker 4: A little up north.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it looks like it's between Scranton and Hartford, Connecticut.

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Speaker 7: I don't know.

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Speaker 6: That's what I'm seeing north of New York.

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Speaker 7: We go.

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Speaker 4: We also, one thing I really appreciate about you bringing

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Speaker 4: this story to our fellow conspiracy realist, Matt, is that

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Speaker 4: points toward a larger trend which is occurring as we

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Speaker 4: record and as we hear this our fellow listeners playing

834
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Speaker 4: along at home. Fentanyl is being exceptionally and successfully weaponized

835
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Speaker 4: because of the nature of the substance right because of

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Speaker 4: the minuscule amount of the substance required to put someone

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Speaker 4: at death's door or inside the threshold of the afterlife,

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Speaker 4: it is an extremely effective vector for bad actors. I

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Speaker 4: would be careful who you trust, and no judgment here,

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Speaker 4: folks in terms of your you know, your local plug

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Speaker 4: or however we're supposed to say it on air.

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Speaker 7: But I would be very careful.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh for sure.

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Speaker 6: And I mean we've talked about this before, but I

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Speaker 6: had a pretty close family member who appears to have

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Speaker 6: purchased some tainted when that's how he overdosed and died

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Speaker 6: on fentanyl. Yeah, I'm going to add a little bit

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Speaker 6: more information here.

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Speaker 2: This coming from.

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Speaker 6: PBS wvia via NPR. It's all three of those all together.

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Speaker 6: They're saying that the case got broken open way back

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Speaker 6: in April in Scranton when there was a victim who

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Speaker 6: had a bunch of stuff stolen, including his air pods,

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Speaker 6: and he did the old track the AirPods thing, and

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Speaker 6: he found him at a nearby hotel and the suspects

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Speaker 6: inside the room, whereas AirPods were also stole a bunch

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Speaker 6: of bank cards that were connected to the big investigation,

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Speaker 6: where they realized, Okay, we've got at least a group

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Speaker 6: of our people and I don't have all the details here,

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Speaker 6: but they don't have all the details, but I guess

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Speaker 6: that's how they connected all seven of those individuals who

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Speaker 6: are currently arrested and indicted. And the second thing is

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Speaker 6: several of the victims of this group were using meet

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Speaker 6: Me Meet and Plenty of Fish, which are I guess

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Speaker 6: two apps or services where you can meet people in

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Speaker 6: the short term, and sometimes that can be for sex work.

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Speaker 3: I see.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we've seen similar griffs in years past with things

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Speaker 4: like Craigslist casual encounters, which was also low key. A

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Speaker 4: couple of times it was a mrk recruitment situation, but

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Speaker 4: we also see adult friend Finder would be another example.

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Speaker 4: I think, Matt, what you're noting here. Another important point

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Speaker 4: for everyone listening at home to know is that the

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Speaker 4: good guys are often outnumbered, right because the good guys

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Speaker 4: play by the rules ostensibly. However, the good guys have

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Speaker 4: one tremendous advantage, which is that one slip up can

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Speaker 4: open a case wide right.

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Speaker 7: Yep.

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Speaker 4: One slip up can lead to justice. And what you've

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Speaker 4: described here, what these journalists describe here, does very much

881
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Speaker 4: sound like one slip up that hopefully will lead to

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Speaker 4: justice for many people.

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Speaker 2: Oh certainly hope. So almoso.

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Speaker 6: I'm gonna put this in here too, because PBS is

885
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Speaker 6: saying it. According to the indictment, one of those seven

886
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Speaker 6: people was the person in charge with I think the

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Speaker 6: most nefarious thing, arranging to meet with individual victims and

888
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Speaker 6: then potentially going inside the places of residence and then

889
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Speaker 6: unlocking a window or a door or something. Her name

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Speaker 6: is Amanda Marie Correas. She was twenty nine years old

891
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Speaker 6: at the time of the arrest. So that's a young

892
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 6: person and a terrifying set of actions to do.

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Speaker 4: A lot of times, and is alive today.

894
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Speaker 2: Mm hm.

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Speaker 4: Well, if we were to say there is a moral

896
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Speaker 4: or a takeaway from this disturbing tale, what would that

897
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Speaker 4: takeaway be?

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Speaker 6: Oh, don't use dating sites in some just show here.

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Speaker 7: I don't know.

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Speaker 6: I mean, just gotta be careful who you let into

901
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Speaker 6: your personal space, especially if you think potentially you're taking

902
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Speaker 6: part in sex work or something.

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Speaker 2: You just gotta be I don't know.

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Speaker 7: Guys.

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Speaker 5: I think I may have mentioned that I had jury

906
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Speaker 5: duty recently and I was not selected for the jury.

907
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Speaker 5: But in the jury selection process they made it very

908
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 5: clear that the case involved the defendants, who was a

909
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 5: woman and two men were using dating apps to find

910
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Speaker 5: people to then have the two dudes come in and

911
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Speaker 5: rob the out of them.

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Speaker 7: So I think this is not an uncommon grift.

913
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Speaker 5: This version that you're describing here, Matt, though, is just

914
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Speaker 5: probably the most elaborate and psychotic version that I've ever

915
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Speaker 5: heard of.

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Speaker 7: But it was very clear.

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Speaker 5: They didn't tell you that exactly, but that's sort of

918
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Speaker 5: they give you just enough information so you can kind

919
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Speaker 5: of know, has something like this happened to me?

920
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Speaker 3: Do?

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Speaker 5: They were very interested in whether jurors, potential jurors had

922
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Speaker 5: used dating apps for because that could potentially disqualify though

923
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Speaker 5: if they had a negative experience or whatever.

924
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Speaker 7: It might have been. So it's a very care factor. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a very common vector because there is relatively

926
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 4: little way relatively little in the way of verification of identity. Again,

927
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Speaker 4: you know, look, we give the cops a hard time

928
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:28,920
Speaker 4: often due to conspiracies in which factions of law enforcement

929
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 4: have provably participated. But one thing we can say is

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Speaker 4: that the success of predatory uses of these online interactions

931
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Speaker 4: to identify and isolate victims, this is ten to ten

932
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Speaker 4: what led to things like the safe meeting spots which

933
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Speaker 4: you will see in you will see in law enforcement

934
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Speaker 4: parking lots. You will also see, for example, things like

935
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 4: safe parking spots in large private enterprises.

936
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Speaker 6: Dude, I didn't know what that was when I went

937
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:10,320
Speaker 6: to a QT last time and I saw a safe

938
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Speaker 6: space everywhere, you know whatever.

939
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Speaker 4: It's just safe human trafficking to stop robberies.

940
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know what does that mean exactly? This

941
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Speaker 5: is new to me.

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Speaker 6: Basically, if you meet there, it's a place designed so

943
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:24,840
Speaker 6: that if you do choose to meet somebody that you

944
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 6: don't know, if you bought something on Facebook, you can

945
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 6: meet there and it is considerably safer than meeting at

946
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Speaker 6: your place, and you know, even at wherever else.

947
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Speaker 7: I don't know.

948
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Speaker 2: I was going to say Walmart, and.

949
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Speaker 5: The companies are the companies are co signed on this,

950
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Speaker 5: where they're basically saying this is like okay.

951
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:46,959
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, this is in that case. These are sort

952
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:52,759
Speaker 4: of what we call private initiatives. However, look, let's be

953
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:56,799
Speaker 4: honest sometimes you don't want to deal observed, which makes sense.

954
00:56:56,840 --> 00:57:00,840
Speaker 4: It's not necessarily insidious in that regard. However, if you

955
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:04,759
Speaker 4: are in a situation where you are speaking with a

956
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 4: stranger online who beat me here doc could be frecking anybody,

957
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 4: then it is in your best interest to have a

958
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 4: public observable location for your initial interaction. And if the

959
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:25,440
Speaker 4: person on the other side of the creepy algorithm or

960
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 4: the great pipes of the Internet, if they're not on

961
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 4: board with that, you should consider that a flag, not

962
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Speaker 4: necessarily saying they're a bad faith actor or up to shenanigans, but.

963
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Speaker 6: Why not make a different choice then? In that situation,

964
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Speaker 6: it's the Internet.

965
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 4: You can go anywhere, check it with someone else. Isn't

966
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 4: that what dating sites are all about?

967
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 3: You know?

968
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Speaker 4: Heish, Yeah, plenty of fish farmers, alies wipe left on

969
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 4: the BS.

970
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 2: What are you gonna do? Meet me? You're gonna meet me?

971
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Speaker 7: Meet me.

972
00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 4: When you first meet me, I thought it was maybe

973
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 4: like a online thing for trading stakes, oh or super

974
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 4: plugged in.

975
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Speaker 5: Or I will say, you know, I've done plenty of

976
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:10,440
Speaker 5: online dating, and I've been with the same person for

977
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 5: about four years now, almost, But we met through online dating,

978
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Speaker 5: but I've never once had a meet with someone where

979
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 5: I didn't get a secondary social media of some kind

980
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 5: in advance, whether it be Instagram or something where you

981
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 5: could see a real history, not just the kind of

982
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 5: stuff that a bot would create, where you can see,

983
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 5: oh we have mutual friends.

984
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 7: Oh wow, you know you know like I mean.

985
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:36,760
Speaker 5: But again, I know I'm not maybe the target audience

986
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:38,960
Speaker 5: for a scam like this. Perhaps I'm not looking for

987
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:41,959
Speaker 5: sex work. I'm trying to meet somebody, so I'm looking

988
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 5: for shared interests, you know. I usually the chat period

989
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 5: goes on for a good little bit before we meet up.

990
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 5: So I would just maybe encourage that if you are

991
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 5: using dating apps to meet somebody, I would just say,

992
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:55,919
Speaker 5: offer up a secondary form of social medias and ask

993
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 5: for the same in exchange, just to prove that you're

994
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:00,040
Speaker 5: dealing with someone that doesn't.

995
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 7: Mean you harm and as much as you can.

996
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 4: Do that solid advice there, And folks, we're here like

997
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:10,800
Speaker 4: we've been with ourselves the whole time. So most importantly

998
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 4: we want to hear from you. Are you a Kenya national?

999
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 4: Have you spent time in Kenya? What can you tell

1000
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:24,960
Speaker 4: us about America's underground. What are your worst stories from

1001
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 4: the troubled road of falling in love online? Right and

1002
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:34,240
Speaker 4: the course of true love never ran smooth. They used

1003
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 4: to say that, even before internet connections were a thing.

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1005
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1006
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1007
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:49,919
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1008
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:51,720
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1009
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