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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 4: In Donald Trump's marathon year end two hour plus cabinet

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Speaker 4: meeting at the White House yesterday, you won't be surprised

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Speaker 4: that he brought up the allegations that about a billion

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Speaker 4: dollars in taxpayer money was stolen in three different fraud

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Speaker 4: schemes perpetrated mostly by Somali's in Minnesota. Now, this is

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Speaker 4: what Trump had to say. We're gonna break it down.

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Speaker 4: But those are the allegations as they stand. Of the

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Speaker 4: people who have been try I believe only eight are

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Speaker 4: are not Minnesota and Somali's part of the diaspora, so

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Speaker 4: that's where this is coming from. Obviously, you've probably already

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Speaker 4: seen The New York Times ran a big story about this.

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Speaker 4: Semaphore reports that story came after or came out when

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Speaker 4: it did, because the New York Times was trying to

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Speaker 4: beat Chris Rufo of the Manhattan Institute and City Journal,

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Speaker 4: so conservative think tank to the Punch because they outlined

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Speaker 4: their story which is a bit different from.

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Speaker 5: The New York Times story.

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Speaker 4: And I think Ryan and I will get into why,

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Speaker 4: because Rufo actually alleged based on sourcing that some of

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Speaker 4: the money because it was going to remittances, which is

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Speaker 4: a huge part of Somalia's economy, we're funding al Shabab.

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Speaker 4: That's we're going to put aside for just one second

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Speaker 4: and take a listen here to what Donald Trump and

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Speaker 4: Christy Nome had to say.

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Speaker 5: Let's start with Trump yesterday.

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Speaker 6: Samaria's ripped off that state for billions of dollars billions

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Speaker 6: every year, billions of dollars, and.

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Speaker 7: They contribute nothing. The welfare is like eighty eight percent.

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Speaker 7: They contribute nothing. I don't want them in our country,

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Speaker 7: I'll be honest with you.

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Speaker 8: So we would say, oh, that's not politically correct.

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Speaker 7: I don't care. I don't want them in our country.

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Speaker 7: Their country is no good for a reason. Their country stakes,

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Speaker 7: and we don't want them in our country. I can

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Speaker 7: say that about other countries too. I can say that

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Speaker 7: about other countries too. We don't want them to help.

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Speaker 9: We got to.

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Speaker 7: We have to rebuild our country. You know, our countries

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Speaker 7: at a tipping point.

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Speaker 6: We could go bad.

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Speaker 8: We're at a tipping point. I don't know if people

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Speaker 8: mind me saying that, but I'm saying that we could

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Speaker 8: go one way or the other, and we're going to

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Speaker 8: go the wrong way if we keep taking in garbage

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Speaker 8: into our country. Elan Omar is garbage. She's garbage. Her

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Speaker 8: friends are garbage. These are people that work.

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Speaker 7: These are people that say, let's go, come on, let's

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Speaker 7: make this place great.

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Speaker 8: These are people that do nothing but complain.

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Speaker 4: And here's what Homeland Security Secretary Christy Noms said at

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Speaker 4: that same cabinet meeting.

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Speaker 3: You told me to look into Minnesota and their fraud

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Speaker 3: on visas and their programs. Fifty percent of them are fraudulent,

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Speaker 3: Which means that that wacko governor Walls either is an idiot.

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Speaker 3: Or he did it on purpose, and I think he's bold, sir.

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Speaker 3: He brought people in there illegally that never should have

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Speaker 3: been in this country, said they were somebody that they're not.

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Speaker 3: They said they were married to somebody who was their

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Speaker 3: brother or somebody else. Fraudulent visa applications, signed up for

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Speaker 3: government programs, took hundreds of billions of dollars from the taxpayers,

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Speaker 3: and we're going to remove them and we're going to

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Speaker 3: get our money back.

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Speaker 9: So no.

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Speaker 4: Echoing Trump's harsh language about Minnesota governor at Tim Walls there,

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Speaker 4: Trump called Tim Wallas quote seriously retarded. Over the weekend,

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Speaker 4: Walls went on Meet the Press and responded, here's a

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Speaker 10: Certainly, I take responsibility for putting people in jail. Don't

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Speaker 10: get to just talk theoretically. We have to solve problems.

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Speaker 10: And I will note it's not just Somali's. Minnesota is

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Speaker 10: a generous state. Minnesota's a prosperous days, a well run

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Speaker 10: state or triple A bond rated. But that attracts criminals.

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Speaker 10: Those people are going to jail. We're doing everything we can,

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Speaker 10: but to demonize an entire community on the actions of

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Speaker 4: So while taking credit there for what has been a

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Speaker 4: federal investigation, Walls really has not had much to do

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Speaker 4: with it. Ryan, there's a lot to talk about in

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Speaker 4: this story. What's your initial reaction to the back and

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Speaker 4: forth over the last few days.

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Speaker 11: That well, so, and we should should we get into

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Speaker 11: rufos more sweeping claims or first we can talk about

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Speaker 11: the general claims here, like is there is there you know,

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Speaker 11: public benefits fraud among the smaller community, uh, in Minnesota. Yes,

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Speaker 11: it's a thing like they you know, there have been

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Speaker 11: some major prosecutions and that's you know, two walls point

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Speaker 11: that have that have targeted.

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Speaker 9: Now.

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Speaker 11: On the one hand, if you go looking in a

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Speaker 11: particular community for more fraud, you're gonna find more fraud.

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Speaker 11: On the other hand, there's a there's a good piece

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Speaker 11: by case of Magan, who is a one of the prosecutors.

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Speaker 5: Is this the Minnesota Reformer piece?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we can put this up on the screen. This

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Speaker 5: is actually really good. This is E five.

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Speaker 11: He was one of the prosecutors. He is himself of

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Speaker 11: Somali descent. I would recommend people go and go and

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Speaker 11: read this piece. But he makes a couple of points. One,

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Speaker 11: he says that a lot of the Somalis who are

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Speaker 11: here now in the United States.

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Speaker 5: This is from twenty twenty four, by the way, before

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Speaker 5: the stream blew up.

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Speaker 11: Right, He wrote this summer of twenty twenty four. So yeah,

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Speaker 11: these cases have been going on for a while. Said

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Speaker 11: a lot of them are have much more like education

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Speaker 11: and experience than they're able to use here in the

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Speaker 11: United States, you know, and you see this a lot.

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Speaker 11: Let's say, you know, somebody is you know, was like

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Speaker 11: a colonel in the military and is now driving an uber.

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Speaker 9: Or you know, or what have you.

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Speaker 11: And he makes the point that that's going to create

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Speaker 11: to take shortcuts to get back ahead to where you

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Speaker 11: feel like you should be because you worked so hard

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Speaker 11: your whole life and now and now here you are

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Speaker 11: and you feel like that's unjust because you and you've

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Speaker 11: got a family to support here, plus you're sending remittances

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Speaker 11: back to Somalia, and that's an enticement to fraud. He

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Speaker 11: also makes the point and this is this is a

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Speaker 11: point that applies across the country and applies, you know,

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Speaker 11: very particularly in South Florida, as well, it is true

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Speaker 11: that there are different communities that are more prone to fraud,

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Speaker 11: just South Florida being a perfect example of this.

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Speaker 9: What he what he argued is that.

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Speaker 11: We are the US system, or the state system is

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Speaker 11: set up to go after recipient fraud.

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Speaker 9: Like if you're.

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Speaker 11: Fudging the paperwork and you're ripping off the government, like

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Speaker 11: we're like, aha, we got you. But if you're a

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Speaker 11: dentist office, or you're a doctor's office or a fake

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Speaker 11: doctor's office, or you make fake wheelchairs or whatever, or

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Speaker 11: you give out free meals and the meals are funded

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Speaker 11: by the state or whatever, and you then pay off

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Speaker 11: give kickbacks to recipients. So now all your paperwork's kind

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Speaker 11: of in line. You're just not doing anything that is

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Speaker 11: harder for prosecutors and investigators to catch based on the

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Speaker 11: way that we're set up.

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Speaker 9: And that's all. That's a complaint I've.

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Speaker 11: Had about our public benefits system forever, which is that

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Speaker 11: think about who.

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Speaker 9: That is benefiting.

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Speaker 11: Those are the richer people who are pillars of the

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Speaker 11: community and who are donating big amounts to politicians, And

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Speaker 11: that's of people of European descent, Somali descent, Cuban descent,

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Speaker 11: Venezuelan descent doesn't matter like those types of people. Rick Scott,

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Speaker 11: for instance, is one of the greatest perpetrators. He's the

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Speaker 11: Florida Senator of medicare fraud in the history of the

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Speaker 11: United States. But because he is at the top of it,

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Speaker 11: he had to pay a gigantic fine, and I think

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Speaker 11: he admitted no wrongdoing or some nonsense like that, walked

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Speaker 11: away with the money, and then used the money to

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Speaker 11: buy a Senate seat. He's okay, like he's allowed to skate.

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Speaker 11: So that like that is we do need to change

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Speaker 11: the way that we investigate fraud. And it feels like

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Speaker 11: if AI is going to be good for anything, like

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Speaker 11: it's it's got to be good for this. Like you

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Speaker 11: we are at a point where we should be able

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Speaker 11: to figure out if you're actually making wheelchairs and selling them.

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Speaker 9: Are you really really selling wheelchairs or not? Right? Prove

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Speaker 9: it right, and we should be able to figure that out, Like.

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Speaker 11: You know, I don't give us some photos of the

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Speaker 11: wheelchairs or something and no stock photos like this. This

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Speaker 11: is a solvable problem, but it would take political willpower

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Speaker 11: because you're going after rich people, right, not just poor

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Speaker 11: people who are builking the system.

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Speaker 5: I think that's totally reasonable.

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Speaker 4: The Minnesota Reformer article you were just reading from again,

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Speaker 4: I think, you know. The other part of this is

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Speaker 4: we should be able to say, you know, and I

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Speaker 4: always put it this way, we're completely correct to be

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Speaker 4: sensitive about racism in a country that had a literal

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Speaker 4: chattel slavery system up until, you know, one hundred and

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Speaker 5: That's, you know, not how it works.

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Speaker 4: And you know, Jim Crow is within living memory of

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Speaker 4: people today.

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Speaker 5: So we're right to be sensitive about it.

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Speaker 4: But it's also important that we don't let those claims

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Speaker 4: get weaponized, which is exactly what actually casey case. How

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Speaker 4: am I saying that I should say correctly? Megan in

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Speaker 4: the Minnesota Reformer admits, and it's not even an admission,

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Speaker 4: because Megan is totally happy to say, this is what's happening,

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Speaker 4: and more people need to be comfortable diagnosing the problem.

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Speaker 4: It has nothing to do with skin color, but it

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Speaker 4: was obviously involved with the Somali community. And Meghan writes,

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Speaker 4: our system of Quran provides a social safety net.

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Speaker 5: I don't think that I'm pronouncing that correct. That either

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Speaker 5: provides a social safety net in the form of.

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Speaker 9: Financial not to be confused with the book the book.

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Speaker 4: Right, It's spelled similarly, but not quite to not to

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Speaker 4: be confused with it provides a social safety net in

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Speaker 4: the form of financial assistance to those who have fallen

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Speaker 4: on hard times. Unfortunately, it has also been used to

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Speaker 4: financially support people who have been charged with defrauding the government.

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Speaker 4: And this is again like a billion dollar alleged billion

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Speaker 4: dollar money laundering operation. They're not the money laundering claims

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Speaker 4: are not flimsy. We're talking about housing programs, autism programs,

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Speaker 4: feeding our future, so kids who were supposed to hunger,

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Speaker 4: kids who are getting meals. And I've looked at the documents.

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Speaker 4: I don't think that this is a case of over prosecution, and.

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Speaker 5: Neither does Megan, who was an investigator in the Medicaid for.

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Speaker 9: And you'll get this money.

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Speaker 11: Joining us today is British journalist Sammy Hamdi, who thankfully

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Speaker 5: Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 9: Appreciate it so.

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Speaker 11: For people who don't know, you became kind of a

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Speaker 12: So, I had the B one B two visa that

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Speaker 12: spreading Islam in America, and Grok would respond and say,

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Speaker 12: this is absolute nonsense. Nothing in the video says anything

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Speaker 12: like that exactly, but an individual called Ted Cruz, Senator

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Speaker 12: of Texas decides to retweet it, and I land on

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Speaker 12: the attention of a lady called Laura Luma, who tweets

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Speaker 12: on the Monday as part of this Israeli lobby. Tweets

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Speaker 12: on the Monday and says there is somebody from the

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Speaker 12: UK who is touring the US criticizing the Israelis and

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Speaker 12: paraphrasing here, we need to get rid of his visa.

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Speaker 12: I didn't take it seriously in the sense that this

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Speaker 12: is America. There's a land of law. Laura Luma is

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Speaker 12: not the arbiter of free speech in the land of

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Speaker 12: the Free and Home of the Brave, as the American

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Speaker 12: calls itself. On the Wednesday, she tweeted, I'm in Congress

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Speaker 12: and I have good news coming in two days about

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Speaker 12: a certain so called operative touring the UK. At touring

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Speaker 12: the US at this moment, and I knew she's talking

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Speaker 12: about me. On the Saturday, I gave a lecture in

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Speaker 12: Sacramento at a care banquet the Council of American Islamic Relations,

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Speaker 12: in which I argued that American needs to be saved

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Speaker 12: from the Israel First lobby. I argued in that speech

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Speaker 12: that it is unfathomable that an American can freeze on

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Speaker 12: Magnificent Mile in Chicago and cannot access any funds to

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Speaker 12: save them from homelessness, while Congress gives fourteen billion dollars

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Speaker 12: to the Israelis First. It makes no sense. It makes

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Speaker 12: no sense that an American goes bankrupt because they can't

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Speaker 12: afford medical bills because eight billion dollars gets given by

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Speaker 12: Congress to the Israelis to give them free healthcare and

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Speaker 12: then commit genocide on top to slaughter the Palestinians. My

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Speaker 12: argument was that this is not just about American Israel

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Speaker 12: as one. Save America from a lobby that demands that

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Speaker 12: America suffers for the sake of genocide taking place in Palestine.

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Speaker 12: The following morning, I'm going through San Francisco Airport. I

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Speaker 12: was wearing a Malaysian battic, which is a noble dress

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Speaker 12: from Malaysia that Americans mistook for a disco shirt. I

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Speaker 12: don't know why, but in any case, I go through

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Speaker 12: the check in, I go through security, I look up

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Speaker 12: D thirty eight the gate to go to Tampa to

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Speaker 12: give another lecture. A gentleman approaches me and says, excuse me,

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Speaker 12: are you Sami Hamdi? I said yes. He said, sir,

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Speaker 12: I'm here to inform you that your visa has been revoked,

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Speaker 12: and it was revoked two days ago. I said to

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Speaker 12: nobody told me my visa was even under review. What

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Speaker 12: do you mean it's been revoked, he said, sir. Here

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Speaker 12: is the memo from the State Department. I read it.

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Speaker 12: It doesn't state any reason. It just says section this

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Speaker 12: article this we have the right to revoke it. I said,

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Speaker 12: did they give you a reason? He said, sir, they

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Speaker 12: just told me to wait for you here and to

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Speaker 12: pick you up. I said, okay. I was supposed to

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Speaker 12: go to London on second of November, six flights a

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Speaker 12: day from San Francisco. I'll just book a flight now

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Speaker 12: and just go to the gate for London. That's not

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Speaker 12: how this works, he said to me. Then six agents

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Speaker 12: appeared out of nowhere. They escorted me out of San

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Speaker 12: Francisco Airport. A black car with tinted windows was waiting

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Speaker 12: for me. I asked to call a lawyer. They refused,

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Speaker 12: and then when I told them there's no way I'm

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Speaker 12: getting in the car, my British citizen. I'm not some

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Speaker 12: random guy you find on the street. One of them

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Speaker 12: said relented and said, okay, you got one minute. I

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Speaker 12: called a lawyer who's in civil liberties. And then the

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Speaker 12: lady behind me, when I asked to call my family,

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Speaker 12: one of the agents pushes me against the car. That's enough,

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Speaker 12: you're under arrest. Now, cuffs me and they take me

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Speaker 12: on a six hour ordeal in the back of a

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Speaker 12: van to the middle of nowhere, someplace McFarland, and they

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Speaker 12: put me in a facility and I stayed there eighteen days,

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Speaker 12: and thanks to two federal judges who indicated that there

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Speaker 12: were serious breaches of a freedom of speech and therefore

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Speaker 12: my case should be expedited. The DHS lawyer in private,

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Speaker 12: I know what they were saying publicly, but certainly in

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Speaker 12: private they sort of said, listen, can we just clear

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Speaker 12: this up, go home and let the storm pass, and

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Speaker 12: we'll clear the record in that regard. But it was

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Speaker 12: quite the experience in that regard. But the final thing

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Speaker 12: I'll say here is before I hand back over, is

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Speaker 12: I know a lot of people focused on what happened

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Speaker 12: to me, but I think it should be placed in

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Speaker 12: the broader context, Ryan, in the sense that I think

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Speaker 12: that the extreme Israeli lobby bear in mind I was

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Speaker 12: not the first person they targeted. They actually went after

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Speaker 12: American citizens first to curtail the freedom of speech in

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Speaker 12: terms of what they can say about Israel. You'll remember, Ryan,

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Speaker 12: they went after American students who were with the American

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Speaker 12: Muslims for Palestine. They went after them in Michigan and

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Speaker 12: the judge ruled that the case should be dismissed. Then

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Speaker 12: they went after American citizens, telling.

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Speaker 11: Them that we had one of those American citizens on

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Speaker 11: this program.

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Speaker 12: Actually that's right exactly, and they went to in Nevada.

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Speaker 12: The judge said, this is absolute nonsense. We have freedom

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Speaker 12: of speech in this country. Then the extreme Israeli lobby said, okay,

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Speaker 12: we're struggling to go after American citizens. Let's go after

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Speaker 12: naturalized citizens. So they targeted Mattia Hasen and some of

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Speaker 12: these others and they failed. Then they said, okay, let's

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Speaker 12: go after Green card holders. We need to restrict the

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Speaker 12: rights of ordinary Americans to prevent them from accessing truth.

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Speaker 12: They went after Mahmud Khalil. They found that it's much

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Speaker 12: more difficult. The judges ruled he shouldn't be deported. His

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Speaker 12: case is thin and limbo, but he hasn't been deported yet.

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Speaker 12: Then they said, let's go after student visas. They went

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Speaker 12: after Romeasa ast Mosemado and other students. Let scare students

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Speaker 12: like Lyca Kurdia from preventing them from speaking out, and

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Speaker 12: they failed. The judges rule they should be released. Then

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Speaker 12: they thought, this is really bad. The constitution is against us.

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Speaker 12: We're unable to restrict American freedoms. We're unable to push

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Speaker 12: our way and prevent this truth from penetrating the filters

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Speaker 12: that we put on the flow of information in America.

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Speaker 12: Then they thought, there's a random UK guy from London

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Speaker 12: touring the United States. Let's go after B one, B

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Speaker 12: two visa and will take that as a victory instead.

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Speaker 12: And thankfully they failed. In the end, I was able

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Speaker 12: to go home free eighteen days in Ice, which was

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Speaker 12: a bit rough to be honest, but thankfully I'm home

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Speaker 12: and I consider it a win.

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Speaker 4: Well, let's take a look at the video Laura Lumer posted,

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Speaker 4: and I think this was twenty twenty three, but also

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Speaker 4: Homeland Security posted this video. Will play it in full

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Speaker 4: here so that people can see you what's in what's

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Speaker 4: in question?

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Speaker 13: Nettigno, who did not in visage that for the first

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Speaker 13: time since nineteen forty eight, the Palestinians would actually retake

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Speaker 13: land back from the israelis NTINIAU did not envisage that

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Speaker 13: for the first time since nineteen forty eight, the Palestinians

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Speaker 13: would be able to hold those territories for more than

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Speaker 13: seventy two hours.

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Speaker 14: We are pitying your people who brought a huge victory

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Speaker 14: since nineteen forty eight. Don't pity them. They don't want

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Speaker 14: your pity. Celebrate the victory. Allah has shown the world

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Speaker 14: that no normalization can erase the Palestinian cause. When everybody

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Speaker 14: thought it was finished, it's roaring. How many of you

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Speaker 14: feel it in your hearts when you got the news

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Speaker 14: that did it happened? How many of you felt the

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Speaker 14: euphoria ahlah welcome for how many of you felt it?

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Speaker 5: Why did you feel it? Because in despair vanish you said,

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Speaker 5: this only is alive? Okay?

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Speaker 4: So Sami obviously speech questions. I just want to put

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Speaker 4: aside for a second a question that a lot of

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Speaker 4: people might have is what was the huge victory that

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Speaker 4: was People should be celebrating and then feeling euphoria about

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Speaker 4: on October seventh or after October seventh.

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Speaker 12: Sure, I thinking that anybody who watches the full lecture

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Speaker 12: will see that the build up to it makes it

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Speaker 12: abundantly clear the sense that normalization was taking place over

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Speaker 12: the heads of the Palestinians. People were warning that you

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Speaker 12: have to engage the Palestinians in any peace talks. And

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Speaker 12: now it's abundantly clear, after everything that has happened, that

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Speaker 12: the Palestinians are relevant and that they must be included

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Speaker 12: in peace talks. Celebrate the victory that people are talking

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Speaker 12: about the Palestinians again and that people are no longer

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Speaker 12: steamrolling them in any talks and discussions about their particular future.

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Speaker 12: Which is why this video was inadmissible in court, because

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Speaker 12: it's been stitched out of the wider context, and even

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Speaker 12: the Department of Homeland Security found that it could not

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Speaker 12: be submitted. And the irony is that one week later

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Speaker 12: BBC would stitch a video of one of Donald Trump's

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Speaker 12: speeches and a BBC director would end up resigning as well.

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Speaker 12: I think anybody who watches the full lecture makes it

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Speaker 12: sees abundantly clear what I was talking about, and I

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Speaker 12: don't think something from memory that is islamophobic and targets

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Speaker 12: all Muslim representatives and anybody who talks as a Muslim.

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Speaker 12: I don't think that any court would take anything they

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Speaker 12: say seriously, which is why not even many of the

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Speaker 12: mainstream media managed to pick it up anyway. And I

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Speaker 12: do want to emphasize this particular point that nothing of

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Speaker 12: what was being said publicly ever made it into a

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Speaker 12: chart sheet or was even mentioned privately. In fact, on

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Speaker 12: the Wednesday, so eleven days after I was in the

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Speaker 12: lawyer for the Department of Homeland Security went to the

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Speaker 12: federal court and said, you have no jurisdiction to assess

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Speaker 12: the right of freedom of speech for Sammy Hamdy because

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Speaker 12: he's a foreign alien. The judge rule that not only

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Speaker 12: do they have jurisdiction, but in the words of the judge,

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Speaker 12: we believe there are serious signs that his freedom of

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Speaker 12: speech has been infringed. The following day, the Department of

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Speaker 12: Homeland Security appointed a specific lawyer for my case to

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Speaker 12: call email and text my lawyers and say to them, listen,

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Speaker 12: can we just make this go away? Will just you know,

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Speaker 12: clear the record. We will pull a few strings will

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Speaker 12: get you home, you know, and we can just forget

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Speaker 12: that all of this took place. And this is the

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Speaker 12: point that I'm emphasizing here in that this had nothing

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Speaker 12: to do with anything that I said. Everything that I've said,

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Speaker 12: there's nothing wrong. Even in that clip itself, it was

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Speaker 12: not admissible in court. The problem was, how do you

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Speaker 12: silence Americans from talking about what Israel is doing in Palestine?

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Speaker 12: How do you create a climate of fear where even

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Speaker 12: somebody who comes from the US UK, a journalist, is

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Speaker 12: frightened to talk about Palestine. How do we make Americans

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Speaker 12: stop spreading on TikTok what's actually happening in Palestine? Something

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Speaker 12: that Hillary Clinton yesterday complained about when she's talking at

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Speaker 12: a Zionis forum, something that Anthony blink and Romney complained

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Speaker 12: about when they said we need to ban TikTok, and

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Speaker 12: then the fifty billion purchase of TikTok for what? And

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Speaker 12: this is the point.

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Speaker 11: Actually, let me pause you on that real quick, because

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Speaker 11: we have that clip and it's I think it's really telling.

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Speaker 9: Let's roll f F one for people that.

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Speaker 15: Our students, smart, well educated young people from our own country,

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Speaker 15: from around the world, where were they getting their information.

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Speaker 15: They were getting their information from social media, particularly TikTok,

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Speaker 15: that is where they were learning about what happened in

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Speaker 15: October seventh, what happened in the days, weeks and months

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Speaker 15: to follow. That's a serious problem. It's a serious problem

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Speaker 15: for democracy, whether it's Israel the United States, and it's

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Speaker 15: a serious problem for our young people. And it was

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Speaker 15: frankly shocking to me how little the students we were encountering,

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Speaker 15: not only in this class we teach, which is a

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Speaker 15: very large class international relations about crisis decision making, but

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Speaker 15: students more generally. And that's why I mentioned the social

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Speaker 15: media piece of it, because when you would try to

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Speaker 15: talk to them, to engage in some kind of reasonable discussion,

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Speaker 15: it was very difficult because they did not know history,

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Speaker 15: They had very little context, and what they were being

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Speaker 15: told on social media was not just one sided, it

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Speaker 15: was pure propaganda. And so when you think about how

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Speaker 15: to tell Israel's story, and it's important, it's not just

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Speaker 15: looking internally, it's looking externally, and particularly looking at young people,

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Speaker 15: because you know, it's not just the usual suspects. It

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Speaker 15: is a lot of young Jewish Americans who don't know

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Speaker 15: the history and don't understand.

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Speaker 6: Eric.

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Speaker 15: I was talking to Condi Rice, and you know she

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Speaker 15: said in an interview that I did after the twenty

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Speaker 15: point plan came out. She and I were on CBS

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Speaker 15: and she said, you know, when people were chanting from

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Speaker 15: the river to the sea, she would ask the students

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Speaker 15: what river, what see? They didn't know I had the

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Speaker 15: same experience. A lot of the challenge is with younger people.

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Speaker 15: More than fifty percent of young people in America get

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Speaker 15: their news from social media. So just pause on that

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Speaker 15: for a second. They are seeing short form videos, some

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Speaker 15: of them totally made up, some of them not at

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Speaker 15: all representing what they claim to be showing, and that's

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Speaker 15: where they get their information.

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Speaker 11: And so that's at an event put on by Israel's

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Speaker 11: largest newspaper, israel I Own, which is funded by Miriam

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Speaker 11: Miriam Adelson. So that just to underscore your point about

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Speaker 11: attempting control of me.

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Speaker 12: But go ahead, but Ryan, I want to ask the

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Speaker 12: viewer to listen to what she's saying. She's not just

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Speaker 12: saying they will listen to TikTok. She's saying they weren't

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Speaker 12: listening to us. We are the gatekeepers of information. How

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Speaker 12: dore Americans go somewhere else. How do Americans exercise their

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Speaker 12: freedoms to listen to the likes of Ryan or Crystal

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Speaker 12: or Sero, the Palestinians or Martes Isaia. How their Americans

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Speaker 12: actually believe that the Constitution entitles them to go to

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Speaker 12: listen to information from sources other than that which we

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Speaker 12: feed them. How dare they go to breaking points instead

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Speaker 12: of CBS, where we've appointed Barry Wise in order to

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Speaker 12: filter the information that goes to Americans. How dare they

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Speaker 12: go and listen to Mehdi hassenin Zeteo instead of going

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Speaker 12: to listen to all of these other different outlets that

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Speaker 12: we set up specifically to make sure that the Palestinian

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Speaker 12: voice is never heard. And what Hillary Clinton is saying,

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Speaker 12: as others have said, as one of Obama's former speech

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Speaker 12: writers has been saying consistently, is is that we need

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Speaker 12: to tell the Americans how to interpret history. The lesson

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Speaker 12: from the Holocaust is not that we should support the oppressed.

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Speaker 12: It's that And then she goes on one, two, three, four.

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Speaker 12: The point that I'm saying here is this is not

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Speaker 12: something about Sammy Hamdy. It's not about the video that

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Speaker 12: you played. It's not about anything to do with me, whatsoever.

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Speaker 12: I got caught in the crosswind. This is about should

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Speaker 12: Americans be allowed to see the truth of what's happening

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Speaker 12: in the world, or should they only have the right

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Speaker 12: to listen to Hillary Clinton and listen to that which

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Speaker 12: Israel deems to be legitimate information that should go through.

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Speaker 12: And bear in mind when they talk about TikTok, they're

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Speaker 12: also talking about breaking points. They're also talking about zeteo.

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Speaker 12: They're also talking about the new media that is emerging

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Speaker 12: that is no longer beholden to these filters that used

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Speaker 12: to be put on the American people. And I'll finished

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Speaker 12: on this point, Ryan. I went to every state in

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Speaker 12: the US except New Hampshire, and I would go to

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Speaker 12: different places, whether it's Fort Worthe in Dallas and these

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Speaker 12: other places. I cannot stress that even the American who

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Speaker 12: was pro Israel and might be hostile to the information

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Speaker 12: coming out of Gaza in terms of denying the genocide,

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Speaker 12: denying the slaughter, denying the pictures. Whenever they saw those

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Speaker 12: graphic images. You saw Obama's former speechwriters saying, it's like

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Speaker 12: I'm talking through a carnage, you know, of dead children.

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Speaker 12: When I'm speaking to them. The reality is that she

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Speaker 12: mentions it. Hillary Clinton, you find even ordinary Jews and

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Speaker 12: these others American citizens waking up to what's happening. And

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Speaker 12: the tragedy of what's unfolding in America is this. It's

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Speaker 12: that you're no longer talking about America first. And I

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Speaker 12: don't hear me in Maga. I mean about the interest

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Speaker 12: of the American citizens. The whole politics at this moment

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Speaker 12: seems to be geared towards how do you control the

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Speaker 12: flow of information to the all American people for the

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Speaker 12: sake of a foreign government. And I was not detained

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Speaker 12: because I criticized the Americans or be it I've said

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Speaker 12: in the past, they shouldn't be supporting the genocide that's

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Speaker 12: taking place. Laura Luma came after me, not because I

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Speaker 12: criticized Washington, but because I criticized Israel. Ted Cruz came

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Speaker 12: after me, not because I criticized America, but because I

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Speaker 12: criticized Israel. This is not the America I think American

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Speaker 12: citizens want to live in or believe in. And that's

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Speaker 12: what Hillary Clinton is talking about. How do we silence

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Speaker 12: these voices before the Americans wake up? Because if the

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Speaker 12: Americans wake up, we get a Mendani phenomenon in New York.

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Speaker 12: If the Americans wake up, we get a situation in

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Speaker 12: New York where when Democrat and Republican establishment ally behind

745
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Speaker 12: Cuomo against Mendany, the people support Meddanni and mem Danieu wins.

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Speaker 12: The fight in America has nothing to do with Sami

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Speaker 12: or the like. It has to do with Israel first

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Speaker 12: versus America first. And again I don't mean Maga America first.

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Speaker 12: I mean the interest of American citizens. At this moment,

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Speaker 12: it looks like it's not clear who's going to win

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Speaker 12: in that regard. I got caught in the crosswind, but

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Speaker 12: thankfully I came out okay. But I do hope that

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Speaker 12: anybody listening to this can see the reality of what

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Speaker 12: Hillary Clinton is saying. She is saying to you, oh American,

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Speaker 12: that you have no right to exercise freedom in where

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Speaker 12: you get your information from. Listen to us, and will

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Speaker 12: tell you it's very all welly and very nineteen eighty four,

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Speaker 12: very the sense of you know, the news speaker and

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Speaker 12: all these others. And that's where I think the greatest

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Speaker 12: to America is not the Muslims. There's not anybody that's

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Speaker 12: been targeted by this sudden upsurge in media that Tucker Carson,

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Speaker 12: although I find it very weird that we're quoting him

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Speaker 12: left right senter these days, but it is what it is.

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Speaker 12: Given the changes that are taking place, it does feel

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Speaker 12: like an op. The greatest enemy to America today is

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Speaker 12: the one attacking American freedoms, and that attack seems to

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Speaker 12: be coming from Tel Aviv.

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Speaker 11: I did want to press on one thing you said,

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Speaker 11: because I think it really underscores how important your case

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Speaker 11: actually is, because it reveals how thoroughly the American people

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Speaker 11: are being lied to. So I want to press on

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Speaker 11: this you said. So you saw the clip that Laura

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Speaker 11: Lumer related. Along with that clip, she and other people said,

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Speaker 11: this is a terrorist supporter, This is a Muslim Brotherhood supporter.

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Speaker 9: This is somebody.

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Speaker 11: That is like training people in like digital like terrorism

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Speaker 11: or something like that. There are all these words that

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Speaker 11: they used to like make speech sound very scary, and

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Speaker 11: but what you're saying is that when it came behind bars,

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Speaker 11: the our government who was sharing these Laura Lumer ideas

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Speaker 11: and accusations, our government who's telling the American people that

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Speaker 11: they have detained a very scary person who is doing

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Speaker 11: terrible things when it comes to criticism of Israel. That

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Speaker 11: they didn't even attempt to make those allegations behind bars,

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Speaker 11: behind the scenes.

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Speaker 9: Is that? Is that right?

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Speaker 12: Not Tony? That right? Not Tony? Did they make those

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Speaker 12: allegations behind the scenes, Not only did they not even

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Speaker 12: allude to it or suggested or even presented in any

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Speaker 12: way whatsoever. The sense that my lawyer's got to Indeed,

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Speaker 12: that we got when the DHS lawyer came to talk

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Speaker 12: to my lawyers, the sense was that somebody had walked

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Speaker 12: into the State Department or the DHS and sort of said, guys,

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Speaker 12: what idiot listened to Laura Luma? Like one on hath

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Speaker 12: happened here? Why are media coming after us with all

796
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Speaker 12: of this attention? Who is this guy? And who even

797
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Speaker 12: revoked his visa? And why did you guys listen to

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Speaker 12: Laura Luma in doing so? And the lawyer was appointed

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Speaker 12: to clean up the mess very quickly. The sense that

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Speaker 12: we got was the government was almost saying, please allow

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Speaker 12: us to say face, We'll let you go home, return,

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Speaker 12: let the storm pass, supply for a visa again, etc.

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Speaker 12: And whatnot. But let's just make this very easy. We

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Speaker 12: can get you home within forty eight hours, because bear

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Speaker 12: in mind, some inmates, when they agreed to go home,

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Speaker 12: they still keep them there three months and they still

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Speaker 12: kill their two months. I was expedited for two within

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Speaker 12: forty eight hours because of the urgency with which the

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Speaker 12: Departmel of Homeless Security felt they needed to close this

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Speaker 12: particular case. And this is the point that I'm making.

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Speaker 12: Whatever they're telling you online or whatever the battle is

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Speaker 12: taking place on social media is not the reality of

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Speaker 12: what's unfolding before you. The reality is that there is

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Speaker 12: a pr battle. But privately, the government is very much

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Speaker 12: aware that there is this schism that's taking place. And

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Speaker 12: it's true even within the State Department. Whatever Mark or

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Speaker 12: Rubio says, whatever Tricia and I'm not sure what Pranunce

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Speaker 12: has said name is exactly whatever she's saying. There are

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Speaker 12: people in the State Department, and there are people in

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Speaker 12: the federal courts. There are people within the government who

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Speaker 12: are not happy with the way Israel First is taking

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Speaker 12: over US policy. There is resistance in these particular areas,

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Speaker 12: even around Donald Trump. And this is not a defense

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Speaker 12: of Donald Trump at all. Like there's many stuff that

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Speaker 12: to be honest, we can say it all day and

826
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Speaker 12: criticize his policies. But even around him, there is this

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Speaker 12: battle between Israel first and America first, which is why

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Speaker 12: you're seeing this clash that's manifested online between Tucker cars

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Speaker 12: and Candace Owens, Dave Smith and these others, and the

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Speaker 12: Ted Cruisers and the Dinish, the Seuss and Laura Luma.

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Speaker 12: It shows that the perception is not of a unified

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Speaker 12: government that's agreed on these things. There is a battle

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Speaker 12: for America that is taking place. I'm not saying one

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Speaker 12: side represents American I'm saying there is a battle for

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Speaker 12: the heart of America and the preservation of the rights

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Speaker 12: enshrined by the constitutions. The attack is coming from Tel Aviv.

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Speaker 12: I pray that the Americans wake up quick enough before

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Speaker 12: they wake up one day and find that Tel Aviv

839
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Speaker 12: has not only constrained their freedoms, but even managed to

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Speaker 12: amend their own constitution.

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Speaker 9: Okay, well, Sammy, thanks so much for joining us. You know,

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Speaker 9: really appreciate it.

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Speaker 12: Thank you for having me. I really appreciate it. Thank

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Speaker 12: you guys.

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Speaker 11: Speaking of the United Kingdom, we have a wild news

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Speaker 11: story at drop site News today that is an adapted

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Speaker 11: excerpt of a new book called The Fraud by Paul Holden,

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Speaker 11: and it uses expanded reporting and documents that are that

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Speaker 11: are also not included in the book because the book

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Speaker 11: is basically an investigation into the political operation of Sir

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Speaker 11: Keir Starmer, current UK Prime Minister.

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Speaker 9: The piece that he's writing for US.

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Speaker 11: Today looks at a secretly funded operation that Starmer and

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Speaker 11: his current chief of staff, Morgan McSweeney were running that

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Speaker 11: has some implications for work that Emily has done in

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Speaker 11: the past. So what they did is when Jeremy Corbin

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Speaker 11: was rising and was the head of the Labor Party,

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Speaker 11: they came together and said, how are we going to

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Speaker 11: undercut the support for corbonism and elevate Starmer? And so

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Speaker 11: they identified a lot of progressive media that had grown

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Speaker 11: up around the kind of corbonists rise and said we

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Speaker 11: need to undercut these folks.

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Speaker 9: And so they created.

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Speaker 11: Two organizations and this is what he's able to report

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Speaker 11: with these documents, and this is what hasn't been known before.

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Speaker 11: They created an organization called Stop Stop Funding, Stop Funding

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Speaker 11: Fake News, and another one.

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Speaker 9: Called the Center for Countering Digital Hate.

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Speaker 11: And so they presented themselves as these they're just grassroots

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Speaker 11: Britons who are concerned about fake news and misinformation and

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Speaker 11: disinformation out there, not that they were funded by secret

872
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Speaker 11: money from pro Israel elements that were funneling it into

873
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Speaker 11: the Cure Starmer political machine.

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Speaker 9: That's what he can report.

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Speaker 11: So this whole thing, this whole fake news scheme that

876
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Speaker 11: they were running, was not grassroots, just concerned Briton's. It

877
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Speaker 11: was a Cure Starmer machine aimed at destroying Jeremy Corbyn.

878
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Speaker 11: So they went after a bunch of left wing publications.

879
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Speaker 11: They also went after for Balance and for Fun a

880
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Speaker 11: bunch of populist right wing news outlets as well, including

881
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Speaker 11: Breitbart and The Federalist, and they went after them quite hard.

882
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Speaker 11: Turns out, Emily is quite familiar with CCdh Center for

883
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Speaker 11: Countering Digital Hate. So tell us what your experience was

884
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Speaker 11: with this what we now know is a Cure Starmer

885
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Speaker 11: machine operation, but at the time was said to be

886
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Speaker 11: just people concerned about fake news.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well this is I think this actually is a

888
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Speaker 4: really important story because it wasn't just like maga news organizations.

889
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Speaker 4: Zero Hedge was also targeted at the same time as

890
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Speaker 4: a lot of other conservatives. Now we know Breitbart, but

891
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 4: back in twenty twenty Ben Collins, who.

892
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Speaker 5: I think was like the disinformation or misinformation reporter at

893
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Speaker 5: NBC News.

894
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Speaker 3: So this is a.

895
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Speaker 4: Journalist basically, I'm going to read this little section from

896
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Speaker 4: a story he published at NBC News at the time,

897
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Speaker 4: tattletaled to Google about a CCdh report on the Federalist

898
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Speaker 4: comment section. So this is a quote from his NBC

899
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Speaker 4: News story. Google blocked the Federalists from its advertising platform

900
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Speaker 4: after the NBC News verification unit brought the project to

901
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Speaker 4: its attention. Incredible, first of all, that you have a

902
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Speaker 4: journalist tattle tailing on another news outlets because they don't

903
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Speaker 4: like this news outlet on another news outlets comment section

904
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Speaker 4: to who took Google? Which os a YouTube So if

905
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Speaker 4: you're familiar with the YouTube comment section, that's a hilarious

906
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Speaker 4: move on Ben Collins point. On Ben Collins part, it

907
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Speaker 4: was always so maddening that a journalist would take the

908
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Speaker 4: CCdh report and then tattletale to a big tech company.

909
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Speaker 5: I mean, just infuriating.

910
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Speaker 4: And at the time, I mean I remember the entire

911
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Speaker 4: mainstream media cheerleading this report from Ben Collins.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, get them, get them.

913
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Speaker 4: Well, if you tattletille to Google and they shut down

914
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Speaker 4: your advertising platform.

915
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Speaker 5: You are out of business.

916
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Speaker 4: In twenty twenty, there has since been sort of parallel

917
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Speaker 4: efforts to.

918
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Speaker 9: Back up what was the effect that it had on

919
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Speaker 9: the Federalists.

920
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Speaker 4: So Jim Jordan came in and a couple of Republican

921
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Speaker 4: congressmen came in and pushed back on it, and it

922
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Speaker 4: went away.

923
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Speaker 5: It would have totally shut.

924
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Speaker 9: Down the web.

925
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Speaker 11: It destroyed the Canary, which is not not just the

926
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Speaker 11: Canary is now making a comeback, but the Canary is

927
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Speaker 11: a left wing outlet in the UK. It took The

928
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Speaker 11: Canary from an influential news outlet of twenty five to

929
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Speaker 11: thirty journalists to like one person right, and they took

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Speaker 11: credit for like just destroying it that way.

931
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Speaker 4: But sorry, go ahead, well no, And I mean that's

932
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Speaker 4: why you've talked about this recently. The speech protections in

933
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Speaker 4: the United States make especially if you're a journalist, can

934
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Speaker 4: make you very patriotic when you look at what happens

935
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Speaker 4: in the UK because Google. It was brought to Google's

936
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Speaker 4: attention that they had a clear legal problem on their hands,

937
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Speaker 4: and also that this type of activity was going to

938
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Speaker 4: animate Republicans on the anti trust front, which it absolutely did.

939
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Speaker 4: Now I would argue Google has played Trump a little

940
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Speaker 4: bit like a fit over the last six months plus

941
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Speaker 4: or I guess what, almost a year now since he

942
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Speaker 4: won the election, and big tech has been getting all

943
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Speaker 4: kinds of goodies from Donald Trump. But at the time

944
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Speaker 4: Google was freaked out because all of a sudden you

945
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Speaker 4: had these Republicans talking about repealing Section two thirty and

946
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Speaker 4: anti trust law and all of that, and so they

947
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Speaker 4: backed down pretty quickly, but it was still, I mean,

948
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Speaker 4: I think, really telling that a journalist was laundering a

949
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Speaker 4: report from what we now know to be a foreign

950
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Speaker 4: government's operation, well.

951
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Speaker 11: Hoping to be a foreign government foreign political party.

952
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Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah, So how.

953
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Speaker 11: Does it feel to know that it was a cure

954
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Speaker 11: Starmer machine operation that was masquerading as this kind of

955
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Speaker 11: good media watchdog.

956
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Speaker 4: It's not surprising at all because we saw it from

957
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Speaker 4: TABI did a lot of reporting back in the day

958
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Speaker 4: with the Global Engagement Center and Gabe Kaminski did a

959
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 4: lot of this too, that was propped up by the

960
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Speaker 4: American State Department that was putting media companies on blacklist,

961
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Speaker 4: including the federalists, including I think unheard where mcconumist got

962
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Speaker 4: on one at one point, not a conservative media outlet

963
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Speaker 4: at all, places like zero Hedge, like Headerodox things that

964
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Speaker 4: question Headerdox outlets that questioned the establishment.

965
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Speaker 5: They like, they were all being.

966
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Speaker 4: Targeted by actually also groups that were propped up by

967
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Speaker 4: the US State Department, where they were getting most of

968
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:23,840
Speaker 4: their funding from you know, state and from other US

969
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:28,359
Speaker 4: governmental or non governmental organizations that are mostly given where

970
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 4: their budget is mostly comes.

971
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Speaker 5: From the government.

972
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Speaker 11: It was clearly like ideologically aligned with, say like the

973
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:37,840
Speaker 11: Clinton wing, and it flowed out of that whole Russia

974
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 11: Gate and all that. But that's a little different than

975
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 11: it being a straight up black ops operation run out

976
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 11: of the Starmer machine. Like it's one thing to be

977
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 11: like these these are our allies and our friends, and

978
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 11: we hope that like we can weaponize them a little

979
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 11: bit to our advantage. And it's different to be like, oh,

980
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:01,760
Speaker 11: this is is cure Starmer's chief of staff.

981
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 5: It's crazy.

982
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 11: Who is setting it up and operating this thing or

983
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,800
Speaker 11: or at least or at least is very heavily involved.

984
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Speaker 4: And I think that's a good point because it's especially

985
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 4: egregious than that you have a foreign government attempting to

986
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:18,240
Speaker 4: influence the boundaries of free speech in the United States.

987
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 9: I'm like offended on the Federalist behalf.

988
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 4: We should all be I mean, we should just all

989
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:25,800
Speaker 4: be offended as American parts behalf too, that an ally

990
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 4: like the UK would be interfering in what are what

991
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 4: is our far superior approach to free speech and the

992
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:35,360
Speaker 4: press in the United States.

993
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:37,760
Speaker 5: They have to clean up their own damn house.

994
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 4: And yeah, we make a lot of mistakes and the

995
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 4: Trump administration has had some crackdowns that journals should be

996
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:46,359
Speaker 4: uncomfortable with and are uncomfortable with. But our system is

997
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:47,320
Speaker 4: better than their system.

998
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 5: So how dare they.

999
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:54,240
Speaker 4: Stick their fingers and mettle into our free press? Because

1000
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:56,840
Speaker 4: guess what it's going to come out. We're going to

1001
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 4: figure it out. And drop side exists.

1002
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 11: Drop side exists that the Federalists in bright Bart they

1003
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 11: might be sobs, but they're our sobs. I care you will,

1004
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,800
Speaker 11: we will take them on. And also, why don't you

1005
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 11: don't try to do this for us?

1006
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:13,240
Speaker 5: What's your problem with zero hedge?

1007
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 6: Right?

1008
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 5: Your problem with zero hedge is that they questioned.

1009
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 9: And nogeal frage and like right, yeah, but the.

1010
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,839
Speaker 4: Problem with these organizations is that they question. It's happy

1011
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 4: with TikTok, We covered this earlier in the show with

1012
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 4: our guest. It's going to come for the left, just

1013
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 4: because the kind of Clinton, like you said, Clinton wing

1014
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 4: controlled a lot of our institutions post twenty seventeen and

1015
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 4: used them to resist Trump and push back against Donald Trump.

1016
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 4: So it was coming for the federalists in Breitbart and

1017
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 4: zero Hedge whatever else.

1018
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 5: It's coming for the left too. It's coming, and it's.

1019
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 9: Going to game for him. Yeah right, yeah, exactly.

1020
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 4: But that was always so my topic and gross and

1021
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 4: especially that a like lefty journalists would participate in it

1022
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 4: was really really disgusting.

1023
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 5: Hope we learned a lesson though, I don't.

1024
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Speaker 9: Okay, I get comment from him now now that he

1025
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 9: knows that I didn't. I didn't realize that part of it.

1026
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:08,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll send you. I'll send you some stuff.

1027
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 11: Excellent, cool, good, Well, there should be some good follow

1028
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:13,760
Speaker 11: ups because you know, hopefully.

1029
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 5: Hewn the onion now so joke.

1030
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Speaker 9: I don't know, but so hopefully the.

1031
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 11: Bright part and the federalists will actually follow this up. Yeah,

1032
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:23,399
Speaker 11: we'll see it goes from.

1033
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Speaker 5: Here, Ryan, So glad drop side existence.

1034
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 9: There you go.

1035
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Speaker 11: All right, Well, interesting show today, so interesting, no doubt

1036
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 11: about it. We'll be back on Friday.

1037
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 5: That's right, we'll be back.

1038
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:38,399
Speaker 4: We've we have two shows left in studio before Christmas too,

1039
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 4: so we'll be here next week week after out with

1040
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 4: the gorgeous Christmas Lights and Christmas the.

1041
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 9: Core and Against catch us December tenth at where where

1042
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 9: is it? It's on Capitol Hill, like HEAs, a place called.

1043
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Speaker 4: Row the Majestic Majestic Theater. You can check out the

1044
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 4: description for the link. But yeah, Ryan and I are

1045
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 4: debating that big tech does more harm than good. All right,

1046
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 4: we'll feel We feel great about our our we were

1047
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 4: morally confident in our position.

1048
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Speaker 5: We're doing this with the lovely folks over at Reason.

1049
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:11,240
Speaker 9: If we lose, it was rigged.

1050
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 5: If we lose, it was rigged. So make sure to

1051
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 5: stay tuned.

1052
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 4: If you're interested, come and see us in DC and

1053
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 4: we will see you on Friday with more breaking points