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Speaker 2: We are live from the Cowboys Club at the Star

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Speaker 2: in Frisco. Welcome to Cowboys Crosstalk on Bobby Belt from

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Speaker 2: one five through the fan. We've got Kevin Haglund from

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Speaker 2: the kanc masterpiece on FI thro the Fani. We are

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Speaker 2: joined as always by three time Super Bowl champion and

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Speaker 2: six time Pro Bowler Nate Newton.

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Speaker 3: Yes Yes, and our.

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Speaker 2: Guest this evening is national champion, three times Super Bowl

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Speaker 2: champ and former head football coach of the Dallas Cob

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Speaker 2: Was and one of the best storytellers you're ever gonna hear.

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Speaker 2: This will be this will be a great hour from

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Speaker 2: that perspective as well. We got Dave Campo with us

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Speaker 2: Coach Campa.

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Speaker 4: How you doing so, I'm doing great. I appreciate being

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Speaker 4: on especially with Nate, you know. And of course Bobby,

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Speaker 4: I've known you. Uh yeah, I've known of you. This

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Speaker 4: is great And just this club alone tells you why

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Speaker 4: the Dallas couple we should keep winning. This is it right? Yeah,

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Speaker 4: this is it beautiful.

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Speaker 2: Wow, Jerry is Jerry is a visionary, that's for sure.

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Speaker 2: Everything involved with this. I was walking by the atrium

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Speaker 2: in the Star coming in here, and I was just like,

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Speaker 2: there's nobody's facility that looks like this. Nobody's offices looks

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Speaker 2: like this. It's it's absolutely beautiful at Coach Campbell, You're

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Speaker 2: in town this week because there is a longtime friend, associate, uh,

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Speaker 2: confidante of yours getting inducted into the Ring of Honor.

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Speaker 2: Jimmy Johnson will be inducted into the Ring of Honor

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Speaker 2: this Saturday against the Detroit Lions. It was announced a

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Speaker 2: couple of weeks back when they were in Carolina. Uh,

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Speaker 2: and I knew there was no way you were gonna

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Speaker 2: miss Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Well, first of all, you know, Jimmy is kind of

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Speaker 4: a you know him as a no nonsense kind of

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Speaker 4: a guy, and a and a guy that doesn't necessarily

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Speaker 4: like a lot of fanfare. So when he went into

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Speaker 4: the Hall of Fame, you know, he sent invitations to

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Speaker 4: all of us, all assistant coaches, and we all went, well,

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Speaker 4: this one he's you know, it's a little different scenario.

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Speaker 4: So he was kind of down playing it. But guess what,

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Speaker 4: I come here with gratitude because what he did for

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Speaker 4: me with this football team, the players we had that

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Speaker 4: he got and then you know, he deserves it. So

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Speaker 4: it's it's a respect and I'm looking forward to it.

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Speaker 4: He deserves to be there.

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Speaker 2: You spent a lot of time with them, obviously at

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Speaker 2: the University of Miami, then here in Dallas, Nate you

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Speaker 2: played with played for him for several years. How gratifying

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Speaker 2: is this personally for you? I know that several players

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Speaker 2: have expressed just you know, kind of overwhelming emotion, like, hey,

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Speaker 2: we're really happy he's finally getting this recognition.

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Speaker 5: You know what, man, we're all walking, we can all

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Speaker 5: see it, and we can all here. That's what I was

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Speaker 5: so scared about, even for mister Jones. We're all older now,

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Speaker 5: is this what almost how many years?

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Speaker 3: Thirty years?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: I mean we got grown children, now since you know,

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Speaker 5: since this so now, this is big for me. If

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Speaker 5: I had to break in the stadium man to jump

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Speaker 5: a fences, you know, and break the net getting there,

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Speaker 5: I was I was gonna get there, you know, and

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Speaker 5: looking for me. I got a few inside contacts, so

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Speaker 5: I'll be from the beginning of ceremony city end.

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Speaker 3: Man. I love this. I love it.

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Speaker 6: Although I think that brings up a good question of

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Speaker 6: all the people from the early nineties teams, who do

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Speaker 6: you think would be most likely to be able to

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Speaker 6: carry out a break into the stadium even at this age.

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Speaker 3: I think it'd probably be what James Washington because.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but if he wasn't in an argument with me

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Speaker 4: and every ball game we weren't playing very well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, hide the tripods when James is around here. Yeah, Now, Nate, David,

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Speaker 2: I'm curious from both of you. We've obviously seen a

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Speaker 2: kind of taking a look at this football team, what

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Speaker 2: do you think he's telling them this week? What do

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Speaker 2: tw weeks and saying, hey, this is unacceptable.

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Speaker 7: This is what we need more of.

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Speaker 3: I think Cuss Campbell one thing coach Johnson did.

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Speaker 5: If this is his core guys, once he settled on us,

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Speaker 5: the biggest thing I think Coach Johnson would tell us

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Speaker 5: as players, I need more mental toughness. You you've gotten

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Speaker 5: blown out. Okay, you you gonna carry that. And he's

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Speaker 5: not gonna let us not carry that, especially coming from Buffalo.

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Speaker 5: We're gonna have to carry that on the plane and

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Speaker 5: THENTO the next week. Then to lose the close swim,

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Speaker 5: he's gonna tell us where's your mental toughness?

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Speaker 3: You have to make the play.

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Speaker 5: You know, you had three minutes and twenty seven seconds left,

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Speaker 5: you had a.

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Speaker 3: One point lead.

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Speaker 5: We would expected Charles Tony Tobert Darren Wood to make

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Speaker 5: that play. It's mental toughness, bro, It's preparations to details.

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Speaker 5: I mean, that's that's what the whole key is.

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Speaker 4: You know, the players win games, yes, yeah, the coaches

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Speaker 4: put them in position to make the play the game, yes,

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Speaker 4: But when it's when it's really down to it, it

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Speaker 4: comes down to execution. It's how you play that day.

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Speaker 4: So if anybody thinks that, oh, we're in the playoffs now,

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Speaker 4: we can kind of slide through this thing. That never

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Speaker 4: would have happened with Jimmy. You know, he cut a

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Speaker 4: He cut a running back Kevin Richards for two fumbles

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Speaker 4: in the last game, and Richards wasn't going to play

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Speaker 4: in the next game. But it sent a message, Hey,

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Speaker 4: we don't do that. One of the games we played

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Speaker 4: at Minnesota, I don't know if you remember, Uh, we

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Speaker 4: were ahead. This is a this is a quick one.

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Speaker 4: We were ahead quite a way. As he put the

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Speaker 4: second team, he said, put the second team in. We

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Speaker 4: put the second team and they scored two touchdowns in

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Speaker 4: a row. We go in at the end of the

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Speaker 4: ball game, and he is livid with rage. Yes, and

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Speaker 4: Charles Haley was on the field, and he came and

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Speaker 5: To the point where they he went at it so bad,

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Speaker 5: and Charles took it.

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Speaker 3: Charles took her, you know, he took it.

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Speaker 5: But boy, him and Charles walked around that corner and

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Speaker 5: went into a bathroom, and when they came out, Charles

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Speaker 3: He came out red.

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Speaker 4: Why some whole new words and I heard that Chris word.

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Speaker 3: Wow, so hey it's and I'm you know, I was

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Speaker 3: telling you Bobby.

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Speaker 5: Coach wanted mentally tough guys that he could coach tough.

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Speaker 5: That the Sarah Cappris took away all of that, because

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Speaker 5: your second team guy may not be nowhere near what

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Speaker 5: your first team guy is. So you got to be CalFire.

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Speaker 5: You handle guys. But this is where he had Haley

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Speaker 5: checking us. Michael Irvin would run into the defensive huddles,

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Speaker 5: you know, telling them what they have to It was

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Speaker 5: just a different breathe. And I'm not saying these players

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Speaker 5: are not tough because I look at the forty nine's,

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Speaker 5: I look at the Ravens, I look at how Philadelphia

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Speaker 5: is when they own a roll that the toughness that

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Speaker 3: This is what we have to develop.

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Speaker 5: And I don't know if we have enough guys that's

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Speaker 3: Man, I'm gonna make this play.

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Speaker 5: It's not the great plays you make, it's the least bad.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's funny you.

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Speaker 2: I was talking to Greg Ellis once a number years back,

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Speaker 2: and he was talking about that two thousand and seven

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Speaker 2: playoff game against the Giants, where they'd beaten the Giants

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Speaker 2: twice that year, they fall short in the playoffs, and

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Speaker 2: he said that he was he was they the Giants

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Speaker 2: had the ball, they were driving at the end of

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Speaker 2: the second quarter, and he said that it was your

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Speaker 2: words ringing in his head about the importance of the

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Speaker 2: end of the half, the middle eight, how critical that is,

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Speaker 2: and he said he just was thinking, it's head like

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Speaker 2: DeMarcus or I have to make a play here. If

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Speaker 2: we don't make a play, we're gonna lose this game.

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Speaker 2: They didn't make a play, Giants scored, and he felt

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Speaker 2: like he thought that that's where he relives and says, man,

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Speaker 2: that's that's where I wish I could go back and

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Speaker 2: make a difference because I think, you know, Coach Campo,

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Speaker 2: Coach Zimmer, those words were ringing in my ears.

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Speaker 4: We talked constantly about you know, the team that really

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Speaker 4: wants it, he's going to do it in the last

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Speaker 4: two minutes of the half and the two minutes of

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Speaker 4: the game. I can't tell you the number of times

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Speaker 4: in games where a team kicked a field goal going

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Speaker 4: into halftime and those three points with a difference maker

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Speaker 4: in the game. And you know this league, every game

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Speaker 4: comes down to ninety percent of the games come down

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Speaker 4: to two or three points or four points or whatever,

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Speaker 4: and it comes down to a last play of the

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Speaker 6: So when you were talking about when y'all were talking

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Speaker 6: about toughness, I'm really curious all yall's take on this

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Speaker 6: is that was the argument for this team maybe two

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Speaker 6: years ago as well. Is there is there anything in

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Speaker 6: the culture here that you think does not foster that

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Speaker 6: toughness with the Cowboys anymore.

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Speaker 5: I'm not seeing this is this is the thin line

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Speaker 5: between man coaches talking about it, X flayer ex coach,

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Speaker 5: successful X player. So we don't want to I don't

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Speaker 5: want to step on them over there.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what their culture is. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: But our quarterback did not smile.

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Speaker 4: Oh.

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Speaker 5: I had to do some of my best jokes to

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Speaker 5: get charge to eat this. I mean the game day

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Speaker 5: was off that was off limits. That was off limits.

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Speaker 5: He gonna high five you, he gonna tell you to

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Speaker 5: get your behind up there and get lined up, and

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Speaker 5: is look, man, mikeel Irvin did all the talking. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: it was just a mindset that and and I don't

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Speaker 5: know who that guy is on this team.

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Speaker 4: See I think that's I think, and it's a two

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Speaker 4: A question is the head coach has to be consistent, Yes,

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Speaker 4: he does whatever he is, He can't be Jimmy Johnson,

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Speaker 4: and then the next week being wait, yeah, okay, yeah,

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Speaker 4: the head coach has to be consistent. There has to

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Speaker 4: be guys in the locker room that make what you're

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Speaker 4: talking about real. And as long as there's a guy,

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Speaker 4: a few guys in there that do it. And I'm

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Speaker 4: hesitant because number one, I haven't seen enough for Cowboys.

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Speaker 4: I've seen I've seen a number of games, but you know,

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Speaker 4: you just don't know what goes on in the locker room.

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Speaker 4: And uh, I thought I thought Parsons kind of displayed

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Speaker 4: a little bit of it. He's burned up about getting

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Speaker 4: held and he's ripping you know this guy and that guy.

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Speaker 4: Well, my favorite one was nineteen ninety three when I

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Speaker 4: put it in three inch letters. We're gonna win this game,

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Speaker 4: and I thought the response by uh, the San Francisco

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Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, Nate, what was your favorite story?

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Speaker 3: It's kind of loan, but I'm gonna tell you. Okay.

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Speaker 3: Michael Irving was telling us, you know, hey, Jimmy, Jimmy's coming.

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Speaker 5: Oh, all of this foolishes and Mike and you know

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Speaker 5: I doubt that our big new You need to get

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Speaker 3: I'm not I'm finna get cut.

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Speaker 5: I thought I was gonna get cut with Coach Landry,

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Speaker 5: I'm not from the half I'm serious, I said, Coach,

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Speaker 5: So we went out there. I made one, I made two,

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Speaker 6: I really thought you were gonna say. All he ever

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Speaker 5: The ball right now, you know, I let coach speak

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Speaker 3: They believed in mental toughness.

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Speaker 4: We're playing We're playing uh in one of the playoff

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Speaker 4: you know, come on now. You know it was a

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Speaker 4: Way.

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Speaker 2: Obviously you want more of it on both sides, But

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 3: One year, y'all back to back.

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Speaker 9: One We we knew that they were gonna get the

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Speaker 9: ball for us and give us a short field, or

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Speaker 9: they was gonna get off the field at the right time.

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Speaker 3: It's called situation of football.

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Speaker 5: And we practiced that and we played it, and we

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Speaker 5: knew that because Mike Mike would be in their hull

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Speaker 5: on tech we be running off the field. We don't

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Speaker 5: turn the ball over. We done got kicked out on

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Speaker 5: the three and out and Michael be running off the field,

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Speaker 5: Charles that out, whoever it is, get Tony, get us

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Speaker 5: the ball back to the point where they'd be like,

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Speaker 5: get that out, humble, you know, but.

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Speaker 4: Llow and behold.

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Speaker 3: If not that series, the next they was gonna get

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Speaker 3: us the ball back.

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Speaker 5: You know how much how tough you have to be

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Speaker 5: to look at another team like the forty nine ers

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Speaker 5: with the Jerry Rice and the John Taylor. Now you're

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Speaker 5: looking at Randal Cunningham and these guys. Come on, man,

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Speaker 5: and you go ahead and get the ball. We couldn't

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Speaker 5: do nothing but score it in. We could because we

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Speaker 5: got an up whole lot of end of the deal.

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Speaker 5: And this is what and I'm telling you you will

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Speaker 5: win in a game with three eight minutes and twenty

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Speaker 5: seven seconds through.

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Speaker 3: Now, we wouldn't have lost that game.

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Speaker 2: You know, It's funny. We over at one of five

467
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Speaker 2: through the family. Got a chance to talk to Dan

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Speaker 2: Quinn before the season, and one of the things I'd

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Speaker 2: asked Coach Quinn is a I know, like physicality and

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Speaker 2: toughness or a hallmark, like he wants it on his defense.

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Speaker 2: That's one of the like when he's got the playbook

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Speaker 2: and he's got the philosophy in the top, like that's

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Speaker 2: a bold print at the very top of it, that

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Speaker 2: that's what he's looking for. And I remember I asked him,

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Speaker 2: you know, how much do you have to identify it

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Speaker 2: and acquire toughness versus how much do you think you

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Speaker 2: can bring it out of somebody? And so I'm curious

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Speaker 2: for that Coach Kavia, did you find how much good?

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Speaker 2: Because coach Quinn said, I feel like you can maybe

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Speaker 2: bring a level up. He's like, if somebody's willing, I

481
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Speaker 2: can maybe bring you up a level. He's like, but

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Speaker 2: not more than that. So he said, I'm gonna need

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Speaker 2: you to practice good work habits. But you know, at

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Speaker 2: the end of the day, you're just gonna need to

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Speaker 2: kind of have that within you. Do you think this

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Speaker 2: is a you know when it comes to physicality on

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Speaker 2: the defensive side of the ball, that it's somewhere You've

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Speaker 2: got to acquire that in people and not try to

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Speaker 2: bring it out.

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Speaker 4: Of that well. First of all, I think you've got

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Speaker 4: to get the players that have that already. I mean,

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Speaker 4: you know that's go and get guys. Yes, that's the

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Speaker 4: guys you're looking for, you know, those kind of guys,

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Speaker 4: the mentally tough guys that you can you can see

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Speaker 4: that on the college level. I mean, you know, the

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Speaker 4: guys that are different, you know in that aspect.

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Speaker 6: How do you figure that out beyond just the game

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Speaker 6: that you get to watch?

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Speaker 4: Really, you know, we want the first of all, the

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Speaker 4: scouts do a great job, you know, and Jimmy trusted

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Speaker 4: us more than the scouts sometimes, but the scouts. He

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Speaker 4: did the scouts. The scouts do a good job. And

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Speaker 4: one of the things they talk about all the time

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Speaker 4: is is what's this guy's character? Is game character, not

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Speaker 4: just you know, what he is off the field and

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Speaker 4: all that. They do, all that too, but the game

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Speaker 4: character part of it. A lot of the times they

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Speaker 4: come to us and say, hey, look this guy might

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Speaker 4: not look great, but he's got a special quality. And

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Speaker 4: that's kind of what happened with Larry Brown when I

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Speaker 4: watched him. You know, he wanted to run the forty.

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Speaker 4: He'd have run it ten times because he knew he

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Speaker 4: was faster than what he ran. That's the kind of

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Speaker 4: guy that gives you a chance. And I think, in

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Speaker 4: answer to your question, that's the number one thing. But

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Speaker 4: the second thing is we're salesman. We have to we

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Speaker 4: have to teach the guy, whoever it is, you gotta

518
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Speaker 4: be tough in this league. You can't go from you

519
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Speaker 4: know one, you know, just show up. You got to play.

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Speaker 2: I really like this conversation we're having on physicality and

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Speaker 2: y'all's perspective on this. So I want to put a

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Speaker 2: pin in this and we'll come back and touch on

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Speaker 2: it some more. When we come back, we will have

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Speaker 2: that discussion. We'll we'll hopefully dive in a little bit

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Speaker 2: into some of the issues with execution and Nate, I know,

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Speaker 2: I want to get your take.

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Speaker 7: We're talking for a show.

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Speaker 2: I really want to get your take on cadence and

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Speaker 2: how important that is since that's become a big talking

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Speaker 2: point this week on the road. That's next on the

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Speaker 2: from the Cowboys Club at the Star in Frisco. We

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Speaker 2: got Kevin Haglin from one of five through the fan,

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Speaker 2: Nate Newton, six time Pro Bowl the three time Super

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Speaker 2: Bowl Champion and National Champion, and three times Super Bowl

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Speaker 2: champion Dave Campbo. Here what that means between all of us,

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Speaker 2: we have six super Bowl line I know, that's like

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Speaker 2: we average. We average a ring in our house between

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Speaker 2: the four of us. That's pretty good, you know. I

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Speaker 2: think that those are good numbers that I can I

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Speaker 2: can lean on here. So Nate, when we look at

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Speaker 2: we're talking about toughness, and I'm interested for the way

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Speaker 2: both of you view this. So Dallas in a lot

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Speaker 2: of ways finds a lot of success being a finesse

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Speaker 2: football team. Like the way that they're they're able to

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Speaker 2: play with a lot of track speed and you know,

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Speaker 2: and that speed on both sides of the ball. Pen

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Speaker 2: your ears back and rush on the offensive side, take

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Speaker 2: advantage of the speed, and they play a fantastic game.

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Speaker 2: Is that something you naturally are gonna lose when you

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Speaker 2: are a finnest football team? And not that that's necessarily

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Speaker 2: a dirty word, but being a finesse football team and

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Speaker 2: the way you win that way, are you naturally gonna

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Speaker 2: lose some of that physicality.

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna tell you something. I'll go back to the

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Speaker 5: forty nine ers. The first time we beat him. In

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Speaker 5: the second time we beat him, they weren't as physical

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Speaker 5: as us, but they went out and got his kid

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Speaker 5: from Florida State called bar nine William Floyd, and he

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Speaker 5: helped change the culture or who they was, and they

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Speaker 5: got a little bit more physical, and Brian Young got

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Speaker 5: a little bit more mature, and Dana Stubberfield came into

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Speaker 5: his own and they took it to us. Man, they

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Speaker 5: were just as physical. When you're for nat fast team,

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Speaker 5: you gotta build it like that. And you can't try

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Speaker 5: to make a guy be what he's not. You got

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Speaker 5: to just make him better. I mean, he has his weaknesses,

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Speaker 5: but if that's what you're trying to change, you may

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Speaker 5: be in for a long day. If this team is

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Speaker 5: not physical naturally, you got to find ways to help

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Speaker 5: them make plays.

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Speaker 3: You just got to find a way, coach.

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Speaker 4: I mean, well, I look at this team. They've got

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Speaker 4: all the ingredients. In my opinion, Okay, Dan Quinn's an

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Speaker 4: outstanding coach. Sure, he's always been solid defensive coach. Right,

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Speaker 4: he takes advantage of what he's got. You get into

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Speaker 4: a third down situation with this team, you're in serious

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Speaker 4: trouble because he's got some guys that you're talking about

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Speaker 4: that can rush where they have. The problem is it

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Speaker 4: looks to me now, and again, I'm not there. I'm

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Speaker 4: not coaching them. I'm just looking at it. They played

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Speaker 4: the run, rushing the passer. So some of the stuff

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Speaker 4: that you look at and you say they're not physical,

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Speaker 4: it's because their scheme is based on up the field

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Speaker 4: and then play a run on the move. Whereas if

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Speaker 4: you've got a bunch of guys like Vita Vea, the

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Speaker 4: guy at the Buccaneers, it's gonna take a guy on

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Speaker 4: and he's gonna whip his butt. You're not gonna run

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Speaker 4: the ball on that guy. Well, with that in mind,

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Speaker 4: this team is is gonna win games based on playmakers.

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Speaker 4: And they've got playmakers on both sides of the ball.

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Speaker 4: And there's gonna be some times when you look at

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Speaker 4: it like this last ball game where they ran the

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Speaker 4: ball on him a little bit too much. And that's

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Speaker 4: that's just but the physical part of it. You know,

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Speaker 4: kids are different now, I don't, I don't you know,

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Speaker 4: I don't, I don't know exactly what you do.

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Speaker 3: Then you know who you used to be like that?

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Speaker 5: Who used to rush the passer and tackle them on

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Speaker 5: the way to get in the past was Minnesota back

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Speaker 5: in our way. Minnesota had John Rounder, they had another

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Speaker 5: great Hall of Fame defensive n and they was rushing

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Speaker 5: that passer and they in turning was the defensive line

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Speaker 5: coach like, you know, tacking them on the way to

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Speaker 5: the quarterback.

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Speaker 4: And that's just how and I think that's this team here, yeah,

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Speaker 4: you know. And then offensively in this last ball game,

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Speaker 4: looking at the Dolphins, you know, they're a little undemanded

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Speaker 4: in the offensive line. They're banged up a little bit,

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Speaker 4: and you know, that's not a good combination. If you're

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Speaker 4: not stopping to run and you're banged up in the

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Speaker 4: offensive line, that's not a good combination. The guys up

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Speaker 4: front win the game. I mean, you know, really, when

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Speaker 4: it's all said and.

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Speaker 2: Done, we've had a there's been a lot of discussion

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Speaker 2: throughout the whole season, but it's really gotten loud the

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Speaker 2: last couple of weeks, the disparity between how they play

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Speaker 2: at home and how they play on the road. So

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Speaker 2: the fewest points they've scored at home this year is thirty.

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Speaker 2: On the road, the offense has not put up thirty

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Speaker 2: points in a single game this year. They put up

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Speaker 2: forty against the Giants, but that was a special teams touchdown,

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Speaker 2: a defensive touchdown. Thirty three against the Panthers, but there

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Speaker 2: was a pick six so the offense has not put

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Speaker 2: up thirty in a single road game this year, but

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Speaker 2: at home that's their minimum, and they're scoring up into

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Speaker 2: the mid forties a lot of times. Nate, one of

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Speaker 2: the things that's become a discussion point is maybe it's

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Speaker 2: it's the communication between the offensive line. Maybe it's the

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Speaker 2: cadence that that cadence that we've all started to hear

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Speaker 2: that here we go, White eighty said, and and you

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Speaker 2: know it's become almost memed on the internet. But when

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Speaker 2: you just break that down for people listening, the importance

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Speaker 2: of the cadence and why could that potentially cause so

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Speaker 2: much disruption to the quality of the offense between home

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Speaker 2: and road.

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Speaker 3: Uh, it's gonna take another time.

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Speaker 7: Now hit it, we hit it early.

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Speaker 3: Do you want do you want to get no?

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Speaker 4: I want you to answer that question.

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Speaker 5: When when we we used to get out of the

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Speaker 5: huddle fast, we that didn't mean because we got out

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Speaker 5: of the huddle fast, it was gonna run to play fast.

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Speaker 5: A lot of times, you want to give your quarterback

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Speaker 5: a chance to survey. More importantly, you want to give

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Speaker 5: your center a chance to see the five guys that

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Speaker 5: we're going to take. Normally the four down guys and

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Speaker 5: the one linebacker all right, if they're running a three four, uh,

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Speaker 5: the six guys, because we you know when the moose

657
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Speaker 5: would be involved. So the coach and that would give

658
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 5: us defense offensive line on a chance, our center for

659
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 5: step not to say, okay, we got fifty five to

660
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 5: thirty three, and the quarterback okay they got fifty five

661
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 5: to thirty three. So that alert the wide receiver out

662
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 5: there that if both if this thirty three come along

663
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 5: with fifty five, it's a hot, it's a het. You

664
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 5: break this thing off right now. So now, but the

665
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 5: quarterback may change the play boom boom, boom. He may

666
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 5: flip it all the way to the other side. So

667
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 5: now we're looking at fifty five still. But now we

668
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 5: got twenty six over here. This receiver got to be

669
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 5: alerted to it. This tight end now because we move

670
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 5: to power, this tight end gotta be alerted to it.

671
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 5: Clock get down about twelve. Ready, ready, ready, ready, here

672
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 5: we go, Here we go. Players didn't lock.

673
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 3: It's locked. Now we're not gonna change it.

674
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 5: And now you're actioning a lot from your offensive line,

675
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 5: and you're asking a lot from your receivers. And when

676
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 5: it's loud, something can be lost in communications. But the

677
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 5: reason I want a coach to go because what Jimmy

678
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 5: did when we go to New Orleans, we stopped with

679
00:37:59,120 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 5: all this ready red.

680
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 3: Yes we started.

681
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 5: We get our best five running plays with two variations

682
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 5: off our best five running plays. Now, a lot of

683
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 5: our receiving stuff stayed in place because we wasn't a

684
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 5: West Coast offense. So what we called in the huddle,

685
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 5: we could digest anything on the field. So what I'm

686
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 5: trying to say here is sometimes you got to simplify,

687
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:23,800
Speaker 5: especially on your.

688
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 3: Defense, so guys can play fast.

689
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 5: Are your players the single high with with cover corners?

690
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:31,800
Speaker 5: You changed a little bit last week because of Miami

691
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 5: and all of his speed, But this should be very easy.

692
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 5: Now it comes down to whether your defensive rhyneman won

693
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 5: a straight rush of run games. If you're running games,

694
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 5: and that and that and that tight end changes now

695
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 5: all of a sudden, the games get a little shaky

696
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:47,800
Speaker 5: and everybody can get a little lost.

697
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:48,919
Speaker 3: But coach them.

698
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 5: I used to hear Jimmy tell them, why won't you

699
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 5: simplify so our players can continue to play fast. All

700
00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 5: of these things we've heard before, But what you have

701
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 5: to do is prepare your players for these type situations.

702
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 5: When we used to have a loud like New Orleans,

703
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 5: are Seattle even were going to play the Steelers if

704
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 5: we had the hold hands, you know, if we if

705
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 5: we had to let our center say green, green, green,

706
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 5: and then we'll all go one thousand and one, one

707
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 5: thousand and we all moved together. We practiced this, and

708
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:31,280
Speaker 5: you have to dedicate yourself. Forget what with the Players

709
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 5: Association talking about finding you us players got to get

710
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 5: put that extra time in you as players. Forget the

711
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:42,919
Speaker 5: coaches US players.

712
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 7: That's absolutely fantastic.

713
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Speaker 4: We're having the same discussion. When I say we the Jaguars,

714
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 4: because I'm working with them now.

715
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Speaker 7: We as the Cowboys.

716
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:57,280
Speaker 4: Come on, no, no, I boy, believe me. I'm but

717
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:01,839
Speaker 4: they're having the same discussion because what's happening is they've

718
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 4: got so many checkoffs in the offense at the receivers.

719
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Speaker 4: When we lost the two best receivers, all of a sudden,

720
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 4: you got young receivers out there and the crowd noise,

721
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 4: they're busting routes. Well, what do I they ask me,

722
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 4: what do you do? Simplify it? Don't run those kinds

723
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 4: of things. Look at the game plan, say hey, look

724
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:26,240
Speaker 4: that when they're in this defense, they this is seventy

725
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 4: five percent of the time they're in this defense, So

726
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,959
Speaker 4: run this play. If the twenty five percent isn't there,

727
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:36,919
Speaker 4: then block somebody and run the same play. Don't think

728
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 4: you have to out coach and outfool everybody.

729
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 5: Jackson has been better than most teams they're played. The

730
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:49,720
Speaker 5: Cowboys have been better athletically the most team they're played.

731
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 5: Why do you have to be the smartest team in

732
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 5: the world when you've got the better athlete. Line that

733
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 5: better athlete up and let him do his job.

734
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:03,320
Speaker 2: We had a big talk this offseason was about communication.

735
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 2: Communication needs to prove for the team and that that

736
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 2: was a big issue. They felt like a lot with

737
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 2: the turnovers and everything else. That sounds to me, I

738
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 2: think to a lot of fans that can sound vague

739
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 2: and broad and coach Campbell, what does good communication mean

740
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 2: on a football team?

741
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 4: It's everything, and it's an excuse. We had one down

742
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 4: there again. I'm we because I'm watching every game. We

743
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 4: had one where the defense busted stuff because the crowd

744
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:33,839
Speaker 4: was too loud for them trying to screw up the

745
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 4: offense the other team's offense. That's ridiculous. I said, that's

746
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 4: a big excuse. So you got to be kidding me.

747
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,240
Speaker 4: You'll definitely do it too much. If that's the case.

748
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 4: Now offense, I can understand it, because you want to

749
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 4: get out of some really bad plays. Sometimes maybe you

750
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,959
Speaker 4: have to do it. On defense. Line up and whip

751
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 4: the guy in front of you. It doesn't matter what

752
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 4: they're doing. Take care of your own business. That's a

753
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 4: big point down there right now.

754
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 5: I don't know what game it was, and I remember

755
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 5: the team tried that on Jimmy. I said, we didn't

756
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 5: get the call. We it was yet the defense. And man,

757
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 5: we got in at Monday and when Jimmy wit got

758
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 5: through it our defense, he didn't this one time. He

759
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,760
Speaker 5: didn't get the coaches, he got the players like, y'all,

760
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,479
Speaker 5: don't even try this on me. And I'm being nice

761
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 5: about it. Next week, man, we did. We didn't blow

762
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 5: a coverage. We didn't blow a coverage, man, Because some

763
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 5: things you should know as a player. This is not

764
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 5: the first time they have played a single high safety.

765
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,839
Speaker 3: This is not the first time. Don't do that. Don't

766
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:47,760
Speaker 3: don't play dumb. Do your job.

767
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 2: When we when we come back here there there's obviously

768
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Speaker 2: a game being played this weekend, this Saturday, and there

769
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Speaker 2: a little bit, but we're gonna talk a little bit

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Speaker 2: more about the upcoming induction to the Ring of Honor

772
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Speaker 2: for Jimmy Johnson and talk a little bit about this

773
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Speaker 2: Detroit Lions football team that's next year. On the s

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Speaker 2: five through the fan, Nate Newton, the six time Pro

784
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Speaker 2: Bowl and three time champion and former Cowboys head coach.

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Speaker 2: Dave Campo, the national champion and the three time Super

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788
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Speaker 2: You know, well on the ratings, I'll take those, uh so,

789
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Speaker 2: Coach Campbell. You know, we've got this game coming up

790
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 2: this week against the Lions, and obviously the the big

791
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 2: moment of inducting Jimmy Johnson into the Ring of Honor.

792
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Speaker 2: But one of the things that I love that I

793
00:46:56,160 --> 00:47:00,120
Speaker 2: talked to you probably seven eight years ago, and you

794
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 2: had a great story about when you had gone and

795
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 2: went to go watch Philippi Sparks and found something much

796
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 2: more exciting and then how that kind of progressed in Dallas.

797
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 7: I'd love for you to tell that story because it's

798
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Speaker 7: one of my favorites of all time.

799
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Speaker 4: Well, you know, I went out to see Philippi Sparks,

800
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 4: who was a corner who ended up with us at

801
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 4: one point later in his career, but he went to

802
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 4: the Giants. He was a fourth round pick. And when

803
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,319
Speaker 4: you go when they sent when Jimmy sent us out,

804
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 4: we had a list of guys and you know, a

805
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 4: young man by the name of Darren Woodson was about

806
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 4: number six on that list because he was a small

807
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 4: outside linebacker. And if you remember Arizona State, they had

808
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 4: a really good team back then and most of the

809
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 4: time they ran the ball away from Darren. Okay, well,

810
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 4: when you go to those workouts, they have a room.

811
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 4: Usually it's usually in the afternoon. So in the morning,

812
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 4: all the scouts show up and they have a room

813
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:00,919
Speaker 4: where they've got film going. I'm sitting in the room

814
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 4: with all the scouts, right and I'm sitting there and

815
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:07,320
Speaker 4: I'm looking at for sparks, and I hear the guys talking,

816
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 4: and that's the first time it really I really started

817
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:13,800
Speaker 4: zeroing in on him. One guy's going, you know, I

818
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 4: don't know about this woods a guy never hits anybody.

819
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 4: You know, he runs around, but you know what's he

820
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 4: gonna play, you know, he we don't know about him.

821
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 4: So I start watching him. And the reason he's not

822
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:29,359
Speaker 4: hitting anybody is because they're not coming to them. They're

823
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 4: going over the other way. So I see him running,

824
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 4: so I said, hey, let's work this guy out as

825
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:39,280
Speaker 4: a dB. So Lynn fonce was according was a secondary

826
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 4: coach for Detroit and he was there, So I said, hey, Lynn,

827
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 4: let's let's work this kid out as a dB. So

828
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 4: we asked them. He said, yeah, absolutely, Well, we're at

829
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Speaker 4: the forty yard dash at the beginning of the whole thing,

830
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 4: and I'm standing right on the line at the in line.

831
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 4: Here comes this guy six foot two and a half

832
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 4: about two hundred and eighteen. Yes, he comes out and

833
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 4: he runs a four three five forty. He looked like

834
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 4: a mack truck coming down that line. So I said,

835
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 4: we're definitely working this guy out. So we work him

836
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:18,800
Speaker 4: out physically, footwork wise, acceleration, all those things he had.

837
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Speaker 4: So I go back to Jimmy, and at that time,

838
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 4: we didn't have a big, strong safety. That was one

839
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 4: of the things that Jimmy wanted bad because the NFC

840
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 4: East was a power league at that time. So I

841
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 4: came back to Jimmy and I said, hey, Jimmy, this kid.

842
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:36,479
Speaker 4: You know, we go over every player. I said, hey, listen,

843
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 4: this kid. I don't know if he's going to be

844
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 4: a big interceptor, which he never ended up being, you know,

845
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:48,359
Speaker 4: which is probably keeping him out of the hall right now. Yah, yeah,

846
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:51,800
Speaker 4: he should be in the hall. But anyway, I said,

847
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:56,359
Speaker 4: but the guy starts for us as at Nickel. This

848
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 4: guy will support the run and he can run with

849
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 4: why outs, I said, he starts for us and he'll

850
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 4: be on every special team's union. So he comes in,

851
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 4: he starts for us at nicol we play well, he

852
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 4: does a good job. So that's the story we heard

853
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 4: a little earlier, you know, he he he says the

854
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 4: second year, and he was a backup safety.

855
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 7: Yep, behind Tho Washington.

856
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know, I didn't like to play young

857
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:25,360
Speaker 4: guys back there because that's you know, that's my my

858
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 4: butt on the line there, right. So I said to him,

859
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,359
Speaker 4: I said, Jimmy, I said, you know, Jimmy came in. He said,

860
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,760
Speaker 4: we're going to start Woods in a safety and I said, okay,

861
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 4: I said, I'm a little nervous, you know, I mean,

862
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:41,359
Speaker 4: he hasn't done much back there. And Jimmy said, We're

863
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 4: going to start Darren Woods at safety. And I looked

864
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 4: at him. I said, that's exactly what I was going

865
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 4: to say. We're going to start Darren woodson safety. And

866
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Speaker 4: the great thing about him why he should be in

867
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 4: the yes is two things. Number One, he played both

868
00:50:57,080 --> 00:51:01,319
Speaker 4: nickel and safety in the same game. Okay, that's number one.

869
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 4: Number two, helutionized safety position. There were no cover safeties

870
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Speaker 4: in the league at that at that time. Yeah, everybody

871
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 4: was a lot of three deep man free you know,

872
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 4: and we brought the quarter coverage in you know where

873
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Speaker 4: he was having to cover wideouts down the field as

874
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Speaker 4: well as play them at nickel. Yeah, and he revolutionized

875
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Speaker 4: the safety game and from right now, when guys look

876
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 4: at safeties, I guarantee your coverage is a major factor.

877
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 4: And especially with nobody hitting anyway, Yeah, cover somebody.

878
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

879
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Speaker 2: But it's funny that that reminds me of Darren had

880
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 2: had told the story a couple of years ago that

881
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 2: he ran into Mike Zimmer at the Super Bowl and

882
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 2: Mike Zimmer told him. He was like, man, I apologize,

883
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 2: and he's like, apologize for what. He's like, I think

884
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 2: we're part of the reason you're out of the Hall

885
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 2: of Fame. He's like, you're too good. We asked you

886
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 2: to do too many things.

887
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 7: He said.

888
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 2: You weren't able to just stick in a spot and

889
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:59,360
Speaker 2: collect stats and and blow people away. And that's He's like,

890
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 2: we asked you to do so many different things.

891
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 4: And not only that, he got everybody lined up, everybody,

892
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:10,319
Speaker 4: smart guy, everybody. He did it. He really revolutionized And.

893
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:12,919
Speaker 2: This seems like a passionate subject for you, that that

894
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 2: that Darren Woodson doesn't get the respect.

895
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 7: It's preposterous.

896
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 3: Yeah you you you, It's just.

897
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 5: I didn't believe in conspiracy theories at the time became

898
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Speaker 5: a Dallas Cowboy.

899
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:27,280
Speaker 3: I didn't because.

900
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 5: You can't sit up and talk to any guy that

901
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 5: votes on the Hall of Fame and say, hey, man,

902
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 5: why are you keeping Woodson out?

903
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:34,399
Speaker 3: Don't don't.

904
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 5: Don't run the stat thing about me, no no interceptions

905
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 5: because half of these guys he was covering in the

906
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 5: Hall of Fame, and you check the records, they caught

907
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 5: either half or a third of what they did.

908
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:46,319
Speaker 3: When he was on them.

909
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 4: This this, this is.

910
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 3: This, don't make any sense. This don't make any sense.

911
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:54,399
Speaker 5: You did, Bob Hayes in did let this man die

912
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 5: before you put him in there? He changed the game

913
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 5: every time. Most of the rules that I been changed

914
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 5: because of the Dallas Cowboys. And now you do this

915
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 5: again to woods to Woldson, I mean that some old

916
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 5: folks committee in which I'm old, uh vote him in

917
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 5: when he should be in, and he should have been in,

918
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 5: not lated in the second batter, don't do this, don't

919
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 5: don't don't do this.

920
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:22,399
Speaker 4: I think Rick Goslin has tried to Yeah, you know, man,

921
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 4: bring him, you know up a number of times and

922
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 4: again he's in the he's in the running again. But

923
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 4: you know, I'll tell you this, he's he's every bit

924
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 4: as good as John Lynch. Yes, you know. And and

925
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:38,320
Speaker 4: I like Leroy Butler. I think Leroy Butler was a

926
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 4: heck of a guy. But I think I think he's better.

927
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Speaker 2: Than our colleague at one of Fans, somebody you guys

928
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 2: have both worked with professionally. And Dallas was like on

929
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:52,319
Speaker 2: Brian brought us Brian. Brian was in Green Bay. And

930
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:54,800
Speaker 2: he will say routinely he's like I was with Leroy Butler.

931
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, Leroy Butler is no business being ahead

932
00:53:57,520 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 2: of darton Wood.

933
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 4: That's it. And I love Butler. By the way. The

934
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 4: one thing that Darren has that Butler has is you'd

935
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 4: want him for your son.

936
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Speaker 7: Yeah.

937
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 4: And he came out of the toughest area of Phoenix.

938
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:17,880
Speaker 4: Most of his friends are either dead or in jail. Wow.

939
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:21,840
Speaker 4: And and he's he is a character everything that you

940
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 4: look for. That's to me, what is what a Hall

941
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 4: of Fame guy should be. He's got to show what

942
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 4: he can do on the field, but there's other things

943
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 4: involved in it as well. So hey, I'm his if

944
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 4: I was voting, I'd be voting for him. I guarantee

945
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 4: you we we.

946
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:39,319
Speaker 2: Got just about two minutes left here, Nate. I know

947
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 2: that this game this weekend against the Lions, you took

948
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 2: notice of the safeties, how physical they play, just in

949
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:47,400
Speaker 2: these last couple of minutes. What's the key for you

950
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 2: heading into this game against Detroit? What do you think

951
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 2: we need to see from the Cowboys.

952
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 3: We're gonna have to partake Dank and let Dank do

953
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 3: his thing.

954
00:54:56,160 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 5: There's two things that cannot happen offensively, Ceedee Lamb cannot disappear,

955
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 5: and Tony Pollard has to get twenty touches some more defensively,

956
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 5: continue to shut down the run game.

957
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 3: Everything is predicated for Jerry golf off the run game.

958
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:14,759
Speaker 4: Yeah. I feel the same way. I mean, exactly the

959
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,359
Speaker 4: same way. I think the one thing that they have

960
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 4: that we have to deal with. We've already been talking

961
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 4: about it for about two segments. They're physical, and you

962
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:27,799
Speaker 4: know that's something we got to match their physicality and

963
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 4: protect the quarterback. They can't handle Lamb when he's you know,

964
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:36,800
Speaker 4: I've watched them a bunch. They can't handle Lamb.

965
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 3: I was gonna jump in with that.

966
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Speaker 6: Sometimes they say take what the defense gives you, and

967
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 6: that's great.

968
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:42,799
Speaker 7: Sometimes you just funnel the ball to.

969
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 2: Your best player and let him be your best player,

970
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 2: let him make a difference. Absolutely, we got just one

971
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 2: minute left, Coach Campbo. For people who really enjoyed this

972
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:53,759
Speaker 2: hour and enjoyed some of the stories you told. Let

973
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:55,279
Speaker 2: people know what you got going on, where they can

974
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 2: find some of your work, because you're like a media

975
00:55:58,000 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 2: working man, just running to the ground.

976
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Speaker 3: Now.

977
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Speaker 4: Well over here i am. I'm on the special edition tomorrow,

978
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 4: I'm on Channel eleven on Game Day at eleven with

979
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Speaker 4: Bill Jones, and you know, doing some things here, you know,

980
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 4: obviously back in Jacksonville, I'm a utility infield though I'm

981
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 4: about about five of the shows at different times. So

982
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Speaker 4: I'm enjoying that.

983
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Speaker 2: Just just getting the most run out of you that

984
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Speaker 2: you can. Former Cowboys that coach Dave Campeau, thank you

985
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:30,880
Speaker 2: so much for joining us. Nate Newton as always, thank you,

986
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 2: Kevin Haglin your time.

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Speaker 7: I want to I'm gonna.

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Speaker 2: Clap for you, Kevin haglinn Absolutely, Cowboys and the Lions.

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Speaker 7: They play Saturday night again.

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Speaker 2: It'll be a very special evening with Jimmy Johnson going

991
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Speaker 2: into the Ring of Honor, a lot of memories flooding back.

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Speaker 2: We will talk to you again next week on the

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