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Speaker 1: Coming to you live from the Cross Country Mortgage Campus

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Speaker 1: in Barrio, Ohio. This is Cleveland Brown's Daily, brought to

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Speaker 1: you by Boundley Beck coming soon to Ohio on eight

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Speaker 1: fifty ESPN Cleveland. Here are your hosts, Bow Bishop and

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Speaker 1: Nathan Zigura. All let's you alive on a Thursday edition

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Speaker 1: of Cleveland Brown's Daily. I am merely Bow, he is

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Speaker 1: the great z. How are you living today, buddy? Doing fine?

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Speaker 1: Masters is underway? It is. That's always fun to see.

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Speaker 1: I had. It took me a while to figure out

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Speaker 1: how to get around and navigate to actually find it,

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Speaker 1: but I found it on Paramount Plus and so now

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Speaker 1: I am so get there. Yeah, Paramount plus on Paramount Plus.

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Speaker 1: If you got that app, you can watch it live

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Speaker 1: right now. Watch Tiger just make up n plus. So

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Speaker 1: they've they've farmed out a couple of different streams then

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Speaker 1: for you to watch this fine good. I mean I

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Speaker 1: remember when you weren't able to watch the early portions

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Speaker 1: of the early rounds at all. Well, we're old enough,

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Speaker 1: I mean, we're dating ourselves a little bit here. Actually,

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Speaker 1: let's start here. What is your first memory of There's

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Speaker 1: there's a tie in that I that I think it

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Speaker 1: makes it so unique across even all of sports. What

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Speaker 1: is your first memory of Augusta. I feel like when

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Speaker 1: you asked the question, the first thing that popped into

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Speaker 1: my mind was Jack Nicholas winning it. And I want

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Speaker 1: to say, was that like eighty five, eighty six, eighty six,

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Speaker 1: that would be the first thing that I remember. I remember,

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Speaker 1: that's mine too, so we're a similar age, and so

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Speaker 1: that was that's the first time I remember seeing it

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Speaker 1: as well. Unlike you, I did not grow up playing

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Speaker 1: golf or I mean, honestly, my dad, we're not. We're

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Speaker 1: he's not going to a country club, like that's not

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Speaker 1: in the that's not in the brochure, so we're not

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Speaker 1: doing that. We're not going to a golf course. I

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Speaker 1: didn't even start playing until really tell my wife, my

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Speaker 1: now wife and her dad loved it. So that's what

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Speaker 1: so that but I would watch the Masters and it

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Speaker 1: and I'd be into it almost inexplicably because it wasn't

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Speaker 1: anything that I played or really had access to. Never

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Speaker 1: even went to golf courses. We had an advanced pe

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Speaker 1: like the first time that ever actually been to a

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Speaker 1: golf course. Once. I was just like, hey, this is

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Speaker 1: a golf course. This is what they're supposed to be.

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Speaker 1: And yet I would watch this, and I do think

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Speaker 1: the thing that makes this so unique and so unto

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Speaker 1: itself is that the production, the look of it. And

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Speaker 1: you're right, in our lifetime you didn't get to see

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Speaker 1: the early rounds. And even in our lifetime, you didn't

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Speaker 1: even get to see the front nine if you were

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Speaker 1: recall I mean that, but it used to just be

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Speaker 1: the back nine was That's why Amen Corner and all

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Speaker 1: of that. It was a big deal when they said, hey,

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Speaker 1: we're going to show the full course and we're show

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Speaker 1: all the rounds like nobody. You had a highlight show

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Speaker 1: on Saturday, and you watched the back nine on Sunday

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Speaker 1: and that was it. Um So, But the fact that

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Speaker 1: it is completely unchanged, it's the same graphics, the course

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Speaker 1: is different, and somebody like you would know that more

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Speaker 1: than somebody added thirty yards to thirteen to make it

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Speaker 1: a much more difficult to reach in two part five

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Speaker 1: made the drive much more difficult. Yeah, of course, it's

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Speaker 1: but yeah, it looks Let's say there's no rough, it's

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Speaker 1: just beautiful immaculate grass, trees, pine straw, and away you

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Speaker 1: That's it. The bunkers look the same. It's not it's

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Speaker 1: not even considered rough. It's called the second cut at Augusta,

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Speaker 1: The trees look exactly the same. There are some that

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Speaker 1: They're they're even so much so that graphically it is

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Speaker 1: the it's CBS Graphics but they're the Augusta CBS graphics.

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Speaker 1: So I'm watching on ESPN Plus right now, and ESPN

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Speaker 1: is using the CBS graphics because Augusta, that's what you're using. Yep.

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Speaker 1: another example of that in sport where a nostalgia plays

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Speaker 1: John rom By the way, after a double bogeye on

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Speaker 1: one thirty three on the front nine, three under after

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Speaker 1: it was a double first year start. That was like

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Speaker 1: the first year Tiger wanted in ninety seven, didn't he

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Speaker 1: so let's all just roll, and the guy's like, well,

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Speaker 1: I'd like I think we have to verify if he

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Speaker 1: won by a hundred or not. The guys you get

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Speaker 1: the point. He yes, he dominated, he lapped, He absolutely

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Speaker 1: capsule that the game has changed some the guys hit

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Speaker 1: it further. They've lengthened some holes. But every other sport

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Speaker 1: Football League, then nostalgia can come and go. Football is

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Speaker 1: and nostalgia is still really powerful. You see that anytime

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Speaker 1: was the nostalgia to it. It It. Look, there's a reason

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Speaker 1: but most sports don't have to or don't attempt to

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Speaker 1: for good and bad. Yes, and I think that that's

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Speaker 1: But you're gonna make so many more doubles than you're

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Speaker 1: not go in? I don't know the fine gravity half

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Speaker 1: a revolution? Yes, that's crazy good for sure. Um, that's

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Speaker 1: why don't understand why these NFC teams don't want it.

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Speaker 1: Because in the n look in the AFC, I just

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Speaker 1: don't believe you're going through the gauntlet of quarterbacks you

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Speaker 1: have to go through with nar Jacks as your quarterback

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Speaker 1: because his game script has to be I think, fairly specific.

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Speaker 1: You know, on a consistent basis. Can he win a

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Speaker 1: game where he comes from behind? Yes, we've seen it,

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Speaker 1: I think on a Monday night game a few years ago.

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Speaker 1: I recall that. But for the most part. That's where

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Speaker 1: you need a kind of a particular game flow. I

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Speaker 1: don't think that that is something that matters as much

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Speaker 1: in the NFC because you get into the dance he

440
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Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl. A ball here, a ball, bounce there,

441
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Speaker 1: turn over here, like you can win a game, But

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Speaker 1: to do it, have that happened four times like it

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Speaker 1: would need to going through the AFC. I don't see

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Speaker 1: it in the NFC. Maybe, I mean there's really you know,

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Speaker 1: urs just did it. And I think Jalen Hurts showed

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Speaker 1: last year that he is a better pocket passer than

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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson. He's also physically built differently, as we've talked

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Speaker 1: about with his ability to you know, the squatting and

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Speaker 1: all those things that he does. And then they also

450
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Speaker 1: went out they got him one of the premier veteran

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Speaker 1: receivers in the league, a first round wide receiver in

452
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Speaker 1: Davante Smith. They've got wetter, they got they have a

453
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Speaker 1: great offensive line. They run like as Great Cosell told

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Speaker 1: me at the combine, they only ran like five concepts.

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Speaker 1: They just ran him really well. Yeah. That's why I like,

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Speaker 1: if if you put him on forty nine ers, they

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Speaker 1: could win the Super Bowl. Yes, for sure, yep. I

458
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Speaker 1: mean that would be so dangerous, be terrifying him playing

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Speaker 1: with all those weapons in San Francisco. I'm curious how

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Speaker 1: that would ultimately work out with Kyle, Like that would be,

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Speaker 1: I think, something very fascinating to watch unfold. But yes,

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Speaker 1: I do think there would be a lot of danger there.

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Speaker 1: And he certainly can throw the ball more than adequately.

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Speaker 1: He can extend plays. One of the things that's difficult

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Speaker 1: I think for him maybe in the Kyle offense is

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Speaker 1: that it's not as much throwing to guys who are

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Speaker 1: sitting down. When you look at Lamar, Lamar is very

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Speaker 1: good throwing verticals, and he's very good at throwing two

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Speaker 1: guys sitting down in zones. That's really where he's good.

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Speaker 1: When you have to run, like throwing the deep dig

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Speaker 1: to a guy sprinting on that deep over, which is

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Speaker 1: a staple of the Kyle offense. That's not necessarily where

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Speaker 1: he throws the ball the best. The slants, that's not

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Speaker 1: where he throws the ball the best. So it would

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Speaker 1: be an interesting fit, but I don't know ultimately how

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Speaker 1: well that would work out. I think, look, I think

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Speaker 1: you put him on that team they're the favorites to

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Speaker 1: win the NFC. Yeah, I'll say that. Get him to

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Speaker 1: the super Bowl, you've got a chance to win there.

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Speaker 1: But that's where again, he's got to go the AFC, NFC.

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Speaker 1: I think. I just think for him and for whatever

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Speaker 1: team makes the big investment in him, it's got to

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Speaker 1: be an NFC team. That's why I don't think the

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Speaker 1: Patriots make any sense. I really don't think that the

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Speaker 1: Colts make much sense. I don't know that it moves

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Speaker 1: a needle for you in this conference right now. I

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Speaker 1: really don't know. I think the Patriots play the reason.

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Speaker 1: I find that intrigue, and he's just Belichick and his

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Speaker 1: kind of force of power on that situation and him

490
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Speaker 1: trying to, you know, find a way to be competitive

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Speaker 1: right now when that's the onus that's been put on

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Speaker 1: him by ownership because there's no path for them as

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Speaker 1: as they currently are constructed with Mac Jones. So gonna

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Speaker 1: be fascinating. It's been it's been quiet on both of

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Speaker 1: those fronts now for a little bit of while. As

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Speaker 1: I mentioned, it's a mail bag Thursday, tweet your questions

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Speaker 1: to z at. Nathan Zigura used the hashtag as CBD.

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Speaker 1: We will get to those in the two o'clock hour.

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Speaker 1: I believe Mike Klay going to join us. A unit

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Speaker 1: rankings are out. We will get into that a little

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Speaker 1: bit later on. We will continue our look around the NFL.

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Speaker 1: Take a look at the Seattle Seahawks. We're picking fifth

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Speaker 1: in this year's draft. We have that to look forward to,

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Speaker 1: which is very nice. Coming up next, Todd McShay, some

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Speaker 1: thoughts specifically on this wide receiver class, some of the

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks at the top that's coming up next. We're often

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Speaker 1: running here Cleveland Brown's Daily fifty ESPN Cleveland, Cleveland Brown's Daily,

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Speaker 1: NFL Draft analyst Todd McShay, who had his fourth mock

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Speaker 1: draft out this week, met with the media to take

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Speaker 1: a look at some of the prospects. Let's have a listen. Generally,

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Speaker 1: speaking about the wide receiver class, you're here. Maybe it's

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Speaker 1: not the best year for wide receivers. What exactly does

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Speaker 1: that mean? Does it mean not as much high end talent,

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Speaker 1: just maybe not as much much depth to the class.

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Speaker 1: I heard it might be a good year for slot receivers,

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Speaker 1: but maybe not outside guys. Could you just talk about

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Speaker 1: Zay Flowers and about the wide receiver class in general,

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Speaker 1: the wide receiver class, I mean, we've gotten spoiled in

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Speaker 1: the last few years. Is really what's happening? You know,

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Speaker 1: these wide receivers. You look back, like the last three years,

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Speaker 1: you've got three your four guys each year that you're

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Speaker 1: already looking at Pro Bowls or future Pro Bowlers, maybe

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Speaker 1: some Hall of famers like last year Garrett Wilson wins

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Speaker 1: Offensive Workie of the Year, Drake Lundon and Chris Lava,

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Speaker 1: James Jamison Williams. Who's gonna, you know, be fully healthy

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Speaker 1: this year? Twenty twenty one, Jamar Chase, Jalen Watt and

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Speaker 1: DeVante Smith with the first view off the board twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty Jerry Judy, Cedee Lamb, Justin Jefferson, Like we have

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Speaker 1: just we've had such an influx of young wide receivers

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Speaker 1: from the draft the last few years that it's kind

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Speaker 1: of hard to keep up with that pace. This class

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Speaker 1: to me doesn't have a true like top ten receiver,

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Speaker 1: but there's still good depth. They're still good players. I think.

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Speaker 1: I think you're gonna see a run. I think in

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Speaker 1: my in my mock draft, between picks twenty and twenty seven,

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Speaker 1: like in an eight pick span, there were five pass catchers,

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Speaker 1: three wide receivers, and two tight ends, Jackson Smith and

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Speaker 1: Jigba Going. I think it was number ten overall, and

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Speaker 1: he was a little bit early just because based on

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Speaker 1: the Titans need. Actually I picked it was to see

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Speaker 1: it was eleven over all the TENNESSEEE. It was because

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Speaker 1: the Titans needed receiver. But bottom line, it's a good

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Speaker 1: class in most years, but we've been really spoiled the

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Speaker 1: last few years with these elite receivers coming in, not

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Speaker 1: just coming in, you know, with a lot of hype

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Speaker 1: and early picks, but coming in and producing right away,

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Speaker 1: you know, having huge seasons. So hey Todd, thanks for

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Speaker 1: being here. I question kind of a double question here.

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Speaker 1: I decide what does Stroud do better than Young? And

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Speaker 1: its Stroud the safe pick or the best pick. I

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Speaker 1: think Bryce Young is the best pick. I think Stroud

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Speaker 1: is probably the safer pick. And it had I'm not

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Speaker 1: worried about the height and for Bryce Young in terms

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Speaker 1: of seeing the field and being able to locate receivers

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Speaker 1: and all that, he has proven like Drew Brees and

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Speaker 1: many and several others, he can maneuver in the pocket

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Speaker 1: and he can locate receivers down the field. He has

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Speaker 1: no trouble seeing over offensive linemen and all that stuff.

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Speaker 1: It's just about his durability. And he had the shoulder

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Speaker 1: this year, which kind of you know, they shut him

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Speaker 1: down and practice for a few weeks and limited his

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Speaker 1: throwing to try to help him, you know, recuperate. But

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Speaker 1: other than that, he stayed healthy as a two year

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Speaker 1: starter at Alabama. But you project to a seventeen game

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Speaker 1: season in the NFL with those defensive linemen and trying,

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Speaker 1: you know, doing their and I know their quarterbacks are

571
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Speaker 1: protected now, but they're still taking beating. You look at

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Speaker 1: two A tongue about it lower this past year and

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Speaker 1: kind of getting ragged all and thrown around. You just

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Speaker 1: you worry about that a little bit. But but TWA

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Speaker 1: doesn't have the mobility and the pocket presence in the

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Speaker 1: field for pressure and even the mobility like the escapability

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Speaker 1: that that Bryce Young does it. You know, I her street,

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Speaker 1: I've talked about it and in her streets and one

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Speaker 1: who brought it up, and I couldn't agree. Morally, I

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Speaker 1: think like its watching Bryce Young is like watching Steph

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Speaker 1: Curry in a basketball game. You know, the size just

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Speaker 1: doesn't matter because it's they're so different. Everything everything is

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Speaker 1: so slow, and the way they process things so quickly

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Speaker 1: and see the whole field or the whole court is

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Speaker 1: so similar. And with Bryce you get a player that

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Speaker 1: can extend plays and can create magic inside and outside

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Speaker 1: the pocket. He had the highest QBR of all these

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks outside the pocket because of his ability to feel

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Speaker 1: pressure where it's coming from, no one to bail, no

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Speaker 1: which side to bail, to know how much time he has,

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Speaker 1: and the willingness and the toughness to wait till the

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Speaker 1: last second and he'll take the hit or he'll duck

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Speaker 1: out of the hit right after he makes the throw,

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Speaker 1: but to know exactly when it's the perfect timing and

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Speaker 1: when he has to bail on the play versus one,

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Speaker 1: he can hang in there and allow a receiver to

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Speaker 1: get open. And you see he's so many of his

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Speaker 1: great plays. It's like right before the defenders going to

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Speaker 1: reach in. He maximized the amount of time that he

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Speaker 1: could for the receiver to go, get him to go,

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Speaker 1: get open, I should say, and then all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: the balls out in the flash and the and it's

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Speaker 1: spotted perfectly on the receiver. So you get that with Bryce.

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Speaker 1: Now what CJ does better, it's slightly better than than Bryce,

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Speaker 1: and you know, there's a somewhat noticeable difference. He has

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Speaker 1: a stronger arm and inside the pocket he's as good

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Speaker 1: as there is in this class and the last couple

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Speaker 1: of classes in terms of just processing quickly, getting the

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Speaker 1: ball out with anticipation, and being able to layer throws

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Speaker 1: on all three levels with exceptional ball placement. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you've got CJ is the best pocket pier pocket passer

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Speaker 1: with a bigger build, so on paper, he's built to

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Speaker 1: last longer in the NFL versus CJ, who can extend

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Speaker 1: and create and has this presence and field vision like

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Speaker 1: no other in this class. But the only thing I'm

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Speaker 1: worried about with um with Bryce is can he hold up?

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Speaker 1: You know? That's that really is it? I Mean, if

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Speaker 1: if he was six two, two hundred and twenty pounds,

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Speaker 1: there would be no conversation. Bryce Young would clearly be

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Speaker 1: the number one quarterback in this class. Eight. Hope all

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Speaker 1: as well and appreciate your time for doing this. UM.

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Speaker 1: So as for my question, UM, the Lions last year,

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Speaker 1: we saw them get like tremendous value in the late

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Speaker 1: rounds out of James Houston, who was like a six

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Speaker 1: rounder if I'm not mistaken, I think he went like

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Speaker 1: two hundred and seventeenth or something like that, which, again,

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Speaker 1: that's tremendous value for the edge. So who do you

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Speaker 1: think could be that player in this draft at that

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Speaker 1: specific position on the edge? UM, for this year's class, UM,

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Speaker 1: for whatever team you know that is looking for late

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Speaker 1: round edge rushers. Yeah, it's and that's a good question.

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't want to bore you with a

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Speaker 1: bunch of names in the late rounds, but I think,

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Speaker 1: like third fourth round, there's some guys that that could

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Speaker 1: be really good values. Like Nick Herbig from Wisconsin, highly

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Speaker 1: productive pass rusher. He's just undersized, and so where do

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Speaker 1: you play him? Do you play him off the off

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Speaker 1: the ball linebacker and utilize him as an edge or

639
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Speaker 1: blitzer on passing downs. But he's a guy who just

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Speaker 1: knows how to get to the quarterback. Um. Yes, Sira

641
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 1: Abdullah from Louisville is another guy who's who's an edge

642
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 1: rusher that I think brings brings a lot of value. Um,

643
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 1: he's looking down. Carl Brooks, the Bowling Green defensive end.

644
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 1: I think is a better player than most people think.

645
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: I don't even think he was invited to combine. But um,

646
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: but Brooks is a player that I think has has potential. Um.

647
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: Nick Hampton from appalatch And State is another name fourth

648
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: fifth round that could wind up being productive. Morrow Jomo

649
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 1: the defensive end from Texas. So those are a few guys.

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00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: And then yeah, yeah, Dabi from Louisville really productive this

651
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 1: last year. I like his traits. I think I think

652
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Speaker 1: he is probably a third round pick, third fourth round,

653
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Speaker 1: early fourth round, could wind up being a steal in

654
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: this year's draft too. You got some names there from

655
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: Todd McShay one thing, and I feel like we've done

656
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 1: a decent job of outlining this. But when your first

657
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: pick is in the third round, man, and when you

658
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 1: have a roster that certainly needs depth but is not

659
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 1: seeking needing starters anywhere, the idea of prognasticating what you're

660
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 1: going to do is quite honestly absurd. Yeah, it is

661
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 1: tough there. Like you said, seventy plus seventy plus picks

662
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: are going to be made before there. So yeah, you're

663
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Speaker 1: gonna go ahead and you're gonna do a lot of

664
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 1: waiting and you can go through this as a one

665
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 1: where and maybe they will. I'm sure they're going to

666
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 1: go through a bunch of simulations and whatnot, but it's

667
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 1: gonna be a lot more difficult to do your simulations

668
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: and figure out, you know, who could be there and whatnot,

669
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Speaker 1: because it's just there's such a variance, especially amongst the

670
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Speaker 1: thirty two teams, after you get out of maybe the

671
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 1: top fifteen to twenty prospects. That's just the way that

672
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 1: it is every single year, And so there could be

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00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: somebody the Browns have a second round grade on that's

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Speaker 1: there for them. In the third round, there could be nobody.

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Speaker 1: So we'll just have to from the draft standpoint, the

676
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 1: good news is we have a team that we could

677
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 1: go play with and compete with right now. We're gonna

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00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 1: probably trade a lot of those picks into the future,

679
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 1: but we're also going to be able to, you know,

680
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 1: go ahead and you know, add some guys in. But

681
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 1: like I said, for the most part, you know, the

682
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 1: Browns are in a good spot. This is a team

683
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 1: that is definitely ready to go compete right now and

684
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: a team that has you know, it's starting lineup. We'll see,

685
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 1: it's gonna be hard to make the fifty three for

686
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 1: these rookies, so you're in a pretty good spite. You

687
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 1: don't need all those picks. But yeah, this draft is

688
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,720
Speaker 1: gonna be out hoping to find you know, mj Emerson, Periam,

689
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 1: unfree kid York at types in the third, fourth, fifth round.

690
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Speaker 1: And that's it. That's what's gonna be about. Yep, that's

691
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 1: exactly what it's going to be about. One of the

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Speaker 1: teams that we thought a year ago at this time,

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Speaker 1: based on what they did at the quarterback position, would

694
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Speaker 1: be in position to draft a quarterback number one and

695
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 1: would need to is the Seattle Seahawks. They don't. They

696
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: still could, but they don't need to. They did not tank,

697
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 1: far from it. In fact, their highest pick isn't even

698
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 1: their own, it's the one they got from Denver. We

699
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Speaker 1: will get into the Seahawks as we continue to look

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Speaker 1: at every team around the league before the draft that's

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Speaker 1: coming up next. You listen to Cleveland Browns Daily, brought

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Speaker 1: you by Bally Bet coming soon to Ohio on a

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Speaker 1: All Right, welcome back here to Clean Browns Daily. Taking

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Speaker 1: a look at the Seattle Seahawks today. They have two

707
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,720
Speaker 1: picks in the first round of this year's NFL Draft.

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Speaker 1: Most of us, certainly I thought their first pick would

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00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 1: be their own. They're picking fifth. That is not their own.

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00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: It's from Denver as that trade was one that they

711
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 1: won pretty decisively. They are picking at five, They are

712
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 1: picking at twenty. They got a absolutely stunning, shocking season

713
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Speaker 1: out of Geno Smith. They had a phenomenal draft last year,

714
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 1: absolutely star studded, phenomenal draft. They have a chance to

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Speaker 1: add to it. They could go quarterback, they could go

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00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 1: in a lot of different ways and zee. They are

717
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 1: also in a division that's become pretty attainable other than

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00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,800
Speaker 1: the forty nineers at the top, but even the forty

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Speaker 1: nine ers are a team that they're gonna make sure

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Speaker 1: they have got a quarterback. No. You're right, the forty

721
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 1: nine ers. We don't know who's playing quarterback for them yet.

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00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: Geno Smith, as you mentioned, Pro bowler last year four

723
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Speaker 1: two hundred and eighty two yards, seventy percent completions, thirty touchdowns,

724
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Speaker 1: eleven picks, quarterback rating of one hundred point nine, an

725
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 1: incredible season for him. They reward in with a nice

726
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:42,720
Speaker 1: contract this offseason, so he is back with the team.

727
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 1: They've got two excellent receivers in Tyler Lockett and DK Metcalf,

728
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: and those two guys, both of them have the ability,

729
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 1: you know, really to stretch the field. They both have

730
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: abible to make big plays, and both have the ability

731
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Speaker 1: to be Pro Bowl type thousand plus yard wide receivers.

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00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,240
Speaker 1: And so you've got all the kind of the elements

733
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 1: that you need. Kenneth Walker last year was a thousand

734
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: yard running back for them. They've got him back coming

735
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: off of a thousand and fifty yards and nine touchdowns.

736
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: I mentioned Metcalf and I mentioned Tyler Lockett. Locket last

737
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 1: year one thousand and thirty three and nine, Metcalf one

738
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 1: thousand and forty eight and six. They also had a

739
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 1: nice season. As from our guy Marquis Goodwin, who was

740
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 1: with US now three eighty seven and four from him

741
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 1: noo a phantatiten. They acquired fifty for four to eighty

742
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: six and four, So it's a team with some talent

743
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: on offense. You mentioned that in that division, they're obviously

744
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 1: very much in the mix because it really feels like

745
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: right now it's the Niners and then maybe the Seahawks.

746
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 1: The Rams certainly aren't there, and neither are the Cardinals,

747
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: so they feel like a playoff team. They have the

748
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 1: ability to add a lot of talent to their roster

749
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: and the draft, as you mentioned with those two first

750
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: round picks so far this off season in terms of

751
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 1: their moves, they beefed up the defense. All of their

752
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 1: editions other than one guard center Evan Brown on a

753
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: one year deal, they're all in the defense. Two defensive

754
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,839
Speaker 1: tackles Draymond Jones on a three year deal, Jared Reid

755
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 1: back to Seattle on a two year deal. They got

756
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 1: Bobby Wagner and Devin Bush at linebackers, and they got

757
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 1: a very good safety in Julian Love who played for

758
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 1: the Giants a year ago. Their losses not really a ton.

759
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 1: Cody Barton, the linebacker he hads to Washington. They lost

760
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:21,760
Speaker 1: to their running backs Penny and Homer, but Kenneth Walker

761
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:25,320
Speaker 1: it's his show now, Jonathan Abram to New Orleans, Goodwin

762
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 1: to US, Ryan Neil to Tampa. But they addressed a

763
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: lot of those things, and then as we said, they

764
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 1: kept you know, Geno Smith, who they thought was probably

765
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 1: one of the most important things, and let some of

766
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 1: their defensive tackles go. That's why they signed the other ones.

767
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 1: But it's a team that I think is pretty ready

768
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 1: to compete and a team that it's got weapons on offense.

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00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: It's got a quarterback who played, like we said, at

770
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,320
Speaker 1: a very high level last year. The question is what

771
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: can this defense be. But as you mentioned, a great

772
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: draft last year in terms of you know, getting Tariq Woollen,

773
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 1: who turned out to be, you know, probably the second

774
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 1: best rookie corner or in the league. So yeah, they're

775
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,919
Speaker 1: in they're in a pretty good spot. It's it's really

776
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: interesting from their standpoint because not only do they have

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00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 1: all as you're going two things jumped out as me

778
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 1: as you're kind of going through the outline of it all.

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00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 1: Number One, Bobby Wagner left there because he was going

780
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 1: to go someplace where he could go contend for a

781
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: championship and now he's back, So that that part jumps

782
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,240
Speaker 1: out to you that they're for they're much closer along

783
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 1: and it makes sense and it's home for him, so

784
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: that makes all the sense of the world. The other

785
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: thing is as you're as you're going through this, I mean,

786
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 1: my goodness. There they got four starters out of the

787
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two draft off a good team Woolle's in

788
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 1: that one. Of course, they got two offensive linemen, Charles

789
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: Cross the left tackle, both their tackles uh both both

790
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 1: drafted that year, Abraham Lucas as well in last year's draft,

791
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 1: and then Walker As you mentioned, four starters out of

792
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 1: the twenty two draft, that's incredible. Yeah, boy, Mafe played

793
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 1: in seventeen games for him as well out of the

794
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: Minnesota the second round picked there. He had three sacks

795
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 1: for him. So it was a very good draft. And

796
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 1: that's one of the ways you can get good in

797
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 1: a hurry with a good draft like that and a

798
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 1: good draft class. And now they have an opportunity, you know,

799
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 1: with guys at the top, to really kind of make

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00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: a splash with the picks that they have at their disposal.

801
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 1: In this draft five twenty they also have two seconds

802
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: as well due to the second from the Broncos. They go,

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Speaker 1: they go five twenty thirty seven fifty two. They have

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00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:28,800
Speaker 1: four the top fifty two picks. Yep, Man, I definitely

805
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 1: think they could go for Richardson at five if if

806
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 1: the Colts go leve Us, I could see him going

807
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,839
Speaker 1: Richardson at five and rolling the dice on a high

808
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 1: ceiling thing there. They could or they could just continue

809
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 1: to like load up, get just a ton of talent

810
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 1: around it and say, you know what, Geno Smith played

811
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,320
Speaker 1: well enough for us last year. Let's go get them.

812
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,800
Speaker 1: Let's go do it. A lot of opportunity, this is

813
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: it's a fun franchise. There's a lot to like here.

814
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 1: Let's hit the categories on Seattle. The uniforms, you keep them,

815
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 1: you change him. They were so cool for a time.

816
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: I just think that time has gone, so I would

817
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 1: look for revamping of their uniforms. They are one of

818
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: the few, they might be the only that went modern

819
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:11,879
Speaker 1: and it fit what they are and what the city is. Um.

820
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 1: I think that their primary that they wear now are

821
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: I'm still fine with them. I still think they look great. Yeah,

822
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 1: I do. I do hope that they get the largent

823
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 1: era ones as a one off. I would love to

824
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 1: see those, Yeah, largest the great silver with the kelly

825
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 1: green and blue, I'd love to see that back as

826
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 1: a one off. I would be. I want them to

827
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 1: get rid of the highlighter ones. Yeah, those those are terrible.

828
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 1: I think the grays are still good. I've always liked

829
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 1: they're all gray and the blues of the whites are

830
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 1: both fine. I think that you could maybe tweak off

831
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: of those. But yes, I agree with you have that

832
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 1: throwback in that helmet. The gray helmet is with that

833
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:49,879
Speaker 1: Seahawk is is so great and they need to bring

834
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 1: back the song the Seahawk Wave. It was a tremendous song.

835
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: Was yeah. Yeah, they can play in a Pedro's in

836
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,399
Speaker 1: a stratumatic league. And we were the Seahawks one year

837
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: when I was a kid, and we had this like

838
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 1: record a night when somebody would come over to our

839
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 1: house when he was the home team and they would

840
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: play you know and stuff, and I would I'd be

841
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 1: there and I had a little record player and I'd

842
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 1: play the Seahawk Wave whenever he scored a touchdown. It

843
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 1: was awesome. You were, you were always his biggest fan. Yeah,

844
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:16,439
Speaker 1: and all he did was trying to put a yoke

845
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: on you, just to put a yoke on me. By

846
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 1: the way it would, you'd be surprised to know how

847
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:22,760
Speaker 1: many people have not even heard the phrase like under

848
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 1: his yoke or even knew what a yoke was. They

849
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: didn't know what it was like you played the Oregon Trail, Right,

850
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: come on, I've seen a yoke. You've seen a yoke. Yeah,

851
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 1: you gotta know what that is. Stadium elite or not elite? Love, Yeah,

852
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: pelted by Skittles. That was pretty cool. Cool the way

853
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 1: that those the way the sides go up, the sound

854
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 1: reverberates back down, so it's loud. Awesome environment, Yeah, very

855
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 1: good stadium. One of my favorite outdoor stadiums in the league.

856
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, if you were doing stadiums

857
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 1: without ceilings on them, it's got to be tops or

858
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: near the top of those. They designed it perfectly, aside

859
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 1: from the fact of not putting a dome on it

860
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: in Seattle or it does rain a lot. Road trip

861
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 1: to Seattle, you're not road tripping unless you got an RV.

862
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 1: You're gonna be flying, is what you're gonna be doing. Yeah,

863
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 1: but absolutely I love Seattle though, great town, beautiful city.

864
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: You know if you do go there, yeah, I think

865
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 1: you know, you got to go to the market, see

866
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: them throw the fish rounds place. Yeah, yeah, Pike's Place.

867
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 1: There's great food. I mean mount Rainier, but I don't

868
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 1: think you'll realize, like Mount Rainier is right there. You

869
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 1: can see some beautiful mountain space needles. Cool, but it's

870
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 1: just it's I love Seattle, great food. It's a major,

871
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 1: wealthy metropolitan city. There are huge corp the hugest corporations

872
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:46,359
Speaker 1: are there. Yeah, so what's with that is great restaurants

873
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 1: and all of the things that would that would make

874
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 1: those places stay there and those people stay there. So

875
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 1: it's I just think it's so far out there that

876
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,919
Speaker 1: people don't ever go oh no, which is what's sad

877
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:58,879
Speaker 1: about it, because it is an awesome city. By the way,

878
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:02,360
Speaker 1: Victor Hovland is at seven under. Yeah, he's killing it

879
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,399
Speaker 1: and he's playing with Tiger's like ten shots better than Tiger. Yeah.

880
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 1: Must thing to do. On the road trip, we went

881
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,240
Speaker 1: through that player on their current roster that you would

882
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 1: want for us DK Metcalf can't have enough weapons dk Metcalf. Yes,

883
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 1: please gosh to shut throwing the run, those goes and

884
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 1: deep outs, those comebacks. I mean, I feel like that's

885
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: gotta be. That's the answer, isn't it. Yeah, that's absolutely

886
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 1: the answer. All time favorite Seahawk. Who do you got? Probably?

887
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 1: Oh man, it's an interesting one. So I used to

888
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,879
Speaker 1: really despise Richard Sherman and then I came to like him,

889
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 1: But he wouldn't be my all time favorite sea. I's

890
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 1: probably got to be. From my youth. It was a

891
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 1: big Steve Largent. Guy like Steve Largent. I think that

892
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 1: that probably is is the direction that I'd have to go. U.

893
00:44:56,280 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 1: I have twice won a good d sent amount of

894
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 1: money playing fantasy football, and one of them was with

895
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: Sean Alexander. Oh that's a great one. Yeah, you have

896
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 1: the five touchdown Monday Night er. Yeah, yeah, yeah, remember that. Yeah.

897
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 1: I love Jean alex I had him and it was

898
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 1: that was wrote him all the way. I'll take that.

899
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 1: I'll take that, yeah, because he was a big part

900
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 1: of my early fantasy career. Was Sean Alexander. I love

901
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 1: that and he doesn't get the like accolades today that

902
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 1: he should. By the way, The other guy that we

903
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:27,840
Speaker 1: would consider taking, I think is probably Quandre Diggs or

904
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 1: Tarik Woolen. Ye had to get a second year corner

905
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 1: who's six five and it's six picks a year ago.

906
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,439
Speaker 1: That probably doesn't hurt. But give me weapons, baby, give

907
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: no DC is the game. That's that, that's a that's

908
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 1: such a game changer putting somebody like that in this mix.

909
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 1: Playoff team absolutely, yeah, yeah, playoff team for sure. Yeah.

910
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:51,760
Speaker 1: Biggest offseason addition, I think it's yet to come. Draymond

911
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 1: Jones is a nice one, but I think the draft

912
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 1: is going to net them a lot. Yeah, I think.

913
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 1: And for them, you would say the biggest thing they

914
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 1: did in this offseason, which I'm not an addition, but

915
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 1: it's or the return of Genos Smith was probably the

916
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:06,760
Speaker 1: biggest move that they made. And that's something which is wild,

917
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 1: but seventy percent man thirty three to one touchdown to

918
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: interception ratio, it's wild. He was great, He was great,

919
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 1: he was he was written off. Yeah he didn't write back. UM.

920
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 1: Absolutely stunning, and they're they are very quickly went from

921
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 1: a year ago. At this time, I thought, all right,

922
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 1: you got a tank, you're gonna blow it. Up. Who's

923
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,760
Speaker 1: all going to be there right away. They made smart decisions,

924
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 1: great draft, and they're right back in the mix. They're

925
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 1: a great, great organization, they really are. Yeah, and have

926
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 1: him for a long time. And you heard though, Richard

927
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 1: Sherman said they almost low ball Bobby Wagner to the

928
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:42,800
Speaker 1: point where it was disrespectful and he almost they almost

929
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 1: blew him coming back John Schneider did. But yeah, he's

930
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 1: a savvy guy. Pete Carroll can coach and gets these

931
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 1: guys fired up. It's a fun They're going to be

932
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:52,840
Speaker 1: a fun team. They're going to be they will be

933
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 1: a playoff team once again. You know, lost in the

934
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:57,840
Speaker 1: first round forty one to twenty three to the nine Ers,

935
00:46:57,920 --> 00:46:59,839
Speaker 1: but they will be I think they will be back

936
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 1: in the playoffs this year. And they have a chance

937
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 1: to get you know, add another pass rusher early in

938
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 1: this one, and then around twenty they could get another

939
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 1: weapon if they're so inclined. They could take a shot

940
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 1: at a quarterback at five and then get a defensive

941
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 1: player in this deep defensive end of the draft at twenty.

942
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 1: They've got a lot of opportunities ahead of them. They

943
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 1: can be very nimble. Two second round picks. Yeah, they

944
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 1: could turn those into a first and draft three guys

945
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 1: in the first round. Yeah, absolutely, all right. Mike Clay

946
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 1: will join us at the top of the hour. He

947
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: has his unit grades they are out. That is coming

948
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:35,239
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949
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:44,920
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954
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Speaker 1: now one of the interviews I most look forward to

955
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: every offseason. It's with the great Mike Clay of ESPN

956
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 1: NFL Analyst. He's joining us on the Twisted Te Hotline,

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Speaker 1: for your Cleveland Browns. Keep it Twisted, Cleveland. Mike, thanks

959
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 1: so much the positional ratings at unit grades. When you

960
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 1: go into this, I like starting here with you, is

961
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 1: there a team that ended up by the time you

962
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 1: were done that was better than you thought they were

963
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 1: from an overall talent standpoint and a team maybe that

964
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 1: surprised you that maybe they were worth worse off than

965
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: you perceived them to be. Yeah, So, first of all,

966
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 1: appreciate you having me on. I think you like when

967
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 1: I come on so much because I I'm usually positive

968
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 1: about the Browns, right, which I'm not. I'm not sure

969
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 1: if that's been a good thing or not, but you

970
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 1: know we're getting there. Slow progress over the past few

971
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 1: years for for the Browns. But yeah, I mean to

972
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 1: answer your question, I think there were probably a few

973
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 1: teams that that popped out, you know. I think about

974
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 1: a team like the Miami Dolphins, who you know, I

975
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 1: guess people are gonna be on that bandwagon. But you know,

976
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:04,240
Speaker 1: a lot of attention in that division is on the Bills.

977
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:07,280
Speaker 1: But you look at the Miami defense even before free agency,

978
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 1: looked pretty stacked. I mean, this is a team that

979
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 1: you know was really good when ta was healthy last year.

980
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 1: And if that defense now with Vic Fangio running the show,

981
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 1: I mean that they have talented all levels. If that

982
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 1: does turn into an elite unit and two is healthy,

983
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 1: the Miami Dolphins are gonna be a real contender in

984
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:27,359
Speaker 1: the AFC top to bottom. One of the best rosters there.

985
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:28,879
Speaker 1: So I think that's a team that stands out from

986
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:32,360
Speaker 1: that direction. On the other hand, maybe a team like

987
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:35,319
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers. You know, they for me, they

988
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 1: come out come out near the middle. And there's two

989
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 1: main reasons that. First of all, the offensive line. Maybe

990
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: check out that depth chart. You might think of it

991
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 1: as a strong unit. If not so much, I've been

992
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 1: ranked pretty low. Trent Williams is a superstar, but otherwise

993
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 1: a lot of question mark there. Keeping mind McGlinchey left right,

994
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 1: he's in Denver now, so that's a problem that obviously

995
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 1: uncertainly a quarterback. You know, they might open the season

996
00:49:56,600 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 1: next year with Trey Lance or Sam Arnolds could be

997
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 1: starting for them until until Brock Purty gets healthy. And

998
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 1: even when brock Purdy gets healthy. I mean, you know,

999
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: is he's sure thing. You know, he had a he

1000
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 1: had a small sample of some pretty good play there,

1001
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 1: but he's you know, if he's kind of came back

1002
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 1: to earth. I don't think anyone would be shocked by that.

1003
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:17,919
Speaker 1: So they're a team that I have some concerns with. Mike.

1004
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 1: When you go through this exercise, how does it feel

1005
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:21,839
Speaker 1: when you're done with it? To know that you got

1006
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 1: everything wrong about every team. Well, I mean, look, I

1007
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 1: mean based on your Twitter mentions, that's how that's what.

1008
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 1: That's what it feels like. Yeah, oh yeah, I mean look,

1009
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:34,879
Speaker 1: I'm honest. I come out and tell people that I'm

1010
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 1: biased against their favorite teams, and it's against all thirty

1011
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 1: two teams. So it is, it is what it is.

1012
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 1: All kidding aside, it's I think it's awesome that you

1013
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 1: do this. You got the Browns ninth overall, seventh on offense,

1014
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 1: thirteenth on defense. Uh, you know, when you look at

1015
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 1: this team, where do the strengths lie? And then the

1016
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 1: one question that I think a lot of Browns fans

1017
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 1: have is how could you know the running backs be

1018
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 1: not the top because of Nick Chubb? How much do

1019
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:59,800
Speaker 1: you weigh so the people can understand your thought process

1020
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 1: an entire room and I would tell them anybody who's upset,

1021
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 1: go look at where the Vikings wide receivers are ranked,

1022
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 1: and they've got Justin Jefferson. So how do you kind

1023
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 1: of weigh kind of your process there? Yeah, so that

1024
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 1: was actually that's one of the feedback, you know, I

1025
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 1: guess I got the most was why are the brown

1026
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 1: so low? Right, and I have to more of an

1027
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 1: above average un it's been an elite unit like they've

1028
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:25,439
Speaker 1: been in years past. And the reason is pretty simple.

1029
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:27,879
Speaker 1: I mean, Nick Chubb plays about half the snaps, right,

1030
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 1: so he gets pretty he gets a great grade, he's terrific. Now,

1031
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:33,319
Speaker 1: he doesn't do a lot in the passing game, and

1032
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 1: I keep that in mind. You know, that's that's the

1033
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 1: factor as well. He's obviously elite as a rusher, and

1034
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 1: that's factor didn't here. But also they don't have do

1035
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 1: they have their backup right now? I don't think Jerome

1036
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 1: Ford is necessarily a lot to be the two. And

1037
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 1: if he is, he's fairly played in the NFL. He's

1038
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 1: played there just a handful of snaps last year. And

1039
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:54,800
Speaker 1: then you know guys like John John Kelly, Nate McCarry

1040
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 1: like these are not guys you expect to go into

1041
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:00,359
Speaker 1: a season and hand them a big time role. Now,

1042
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 1: maybe Trump's board works out for them. It's possible, but

1043
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 1: that's far from a sure thing. The guy was a

1044
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 1: Day three pick last year, so they still have to

1045
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:09,239
Speaker 1: figure that out. And if they get a solid number

1046
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 1: two back, then they'll move back up these rankings. But look, right, now,

1047
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:14,319
Speaker 1: Chubb is still a guy's going to play fifty to

1048
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 1: sixty percent of the snaps, and I have to think

1049
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:18,319
Speaker 1: about that other forty percent because there are a lot

1050
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 1: of teams out there that have full time backs. There

1051
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 1: have multiple high end running back so, uh, you know,

1052
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 1: it's just it's just a position where most of the

1053
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 1: league is happy right now. So most most people are

1054
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 1: kind of upset with where the running backs fall. But

1055
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 1: you need you need really good players that you need depths.

1056
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:33,920
Speaker 1: So if you get a good grade there, Mike, how

1057
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 1: did you evaluate Deshaun Watson. Yeah, it's a tricky one.

1058
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 1: It really is a tricky one. I have I have

1059
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:45,400
Speaker 1: the Brown's quarterback situation ranked eleventh, and obviously most of

1060
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 1: the grade is going to be the starter. H he

1061
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 1: could you know that grade could should maybe be top three,

1062
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 1: maybe it should be in the bottom third of the

1063
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 1: league based on what we saw last season. It's a

1064
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:57,720
Speaker 1: hard one to figure out. He was a dominant presence

1065
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 1: during his final seasons and he actually led the NFL

1066
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 1: on passing yards that final full season, and then he

1067
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 1: obviously struggled last year. Arguably a downgrade from Jacoby Rosette

1068
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:09,840
Speaker 1: for a few weeks. He's turned to pick it up

1069
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:11,880
Speaker 1: a little bit the last couple of weeks and had

1070
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 1: a good connection with David and Joku. So there's recent proptimism.

1071
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 1: I'm still buying into the pedigree there, which is why

1072
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 1: I have him at eleventh. I'm not I'm not grading

1073
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 1: him just on you know, six six seven games from

1074
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 1: last season. I still think there's hope that he can

1075
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:28,359
Speaker 1: return to being a superstar and honestly that the team

1076
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:30,840
Speaker 1: around him is pretty good, you know, so if he

1077
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:32,880
Speaker 1: plays at a high level again, the brown should be

1078
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 1: a playoff contender. When you looked at tug with Mike

1079
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 1: Clay from ESPN, fallam on Twitter at Mike Clay NFL.

1080
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 1: When you looked at the Browns wide receiving cores won five?

1081
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 1: Is that with Elijah Moore and Goodwin in there? And

1082
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 1: if not, how did that change it for you? And

1083
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:52,360
Speaker 1: what do you think overall now of kind of the

1084
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 1: weapons that they've assembled with Cooper Donovan, People's Jones, Elijah Moore, Goodwin, etc.

1085
00:53:57,440 --> 00:53:59,799
Speaker 1: Yeah again, you know I took a little heat for

1086
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 1: that as well. But here's the thing. You know, a

1087
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:04,360
Speaker 1: lot of teams have a really good number one receiver.

1088
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 1: If you go through the thirty two teams, you're gonna

1089
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 1: see like, okay, yeah, they have a one. You know,

1090
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 1: that's the guy. I would qualifying any roster as a one,

1091
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 1: and Cleveland sits there as well with Amari Cooper after that, though,

1092
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 1: other teams have two number ones or a really good

1093
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 1: number two. And I thought it was interesting that that

1094
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:23,800
Speaker 1: the fans were upset with this because they went from

1095
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 1: we really need upgrade disposition right ride receiver. It's a

1096
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 1: huge neat spot we got. Why have they Why haven't

1097
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 1: they gotten Brandon Cooks, Why haven't they gotten this guy?

1098
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 1: Where's you know as somebody somebody, somebody get us anyone?

1099
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:35,399
Speaker 1: And then they get Elijah Moore who struggled to see

1100
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 1: the field with the Jets, you know, and couldn't wait

1101
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 1: to get out of there, you know, and then suddenly

1102
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:40,799
Speaker 1: it's solved and it's a good unit. I don't think so.

1103
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:43,399
Speaker 1: I don't think that's the case. Now, could Elijah Moore

1104
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 1: live up to his second round pedigree and show, you know,

1105
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 1: show the flashes he had as a rookie. It's possible,

1106
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:50,840
Speaker 1: but he did again, he'd have a falling out with

1107
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 1: the Jets, there's a reason they moved on from him

1108
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 1: after basically a year and a half, right, they were

1109
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 1: ready to move on last year. So um, I don't

1110
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 1: think it's a finished product yet. I can it turn

1111
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:03,439
Speaker 1: into a really good one two punch with Cooper more

1112
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 1: and then you know, obviously People's Jones turned into a

1113
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:09,440
Speaker 1: solid player. Absolutely, But again there's a lot of teams

1114
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:12,959
Speaker 1: that have certified stars or really good players locked into

1115
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 1: those top three roles. So I still think it's probably

1116
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:17,359
Speaker 1: best grade it as a little bit of a low

1117
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 1: average unit. Mike, you have the Brown's offense overall seventh

1118
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:23,400
Speaker 1: and then you have the defense thirteenth that gets you

1119
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 1: that ninth overall grade. You're low in the spots that

1120
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:29,799
Speaker 1: as an organization, you certainly we know that we're vulnerable at,

1121
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 1: which is on the defensive front. You hope that it

1122
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:32,800
Speaker 1: got a little bit better with what you did in

1123
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 1: free agency. But outside of Miles, I think it's very

1124
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 1: fair in terms of the number there. I was a

1125
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 1: little bit surprised at the safety grade. Baby, what can

1126
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 1: you speak to that a little bit in terms of

1127
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 1: because it felt like to us maybe that delpot came

1128
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 1: on as the season went along. It was actually pretty

1129
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 1: dang good the last half of the season. What do

1130
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 1: you make of that safety room in Cleveland, which obviously

1131
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 1: have a one point three out of four. Yeah, it's interesting.

1132
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:58,839
Speaker 1: So safety, I feel like, just a few years ago

1133
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:01,360
Speaker 1: is a devalued position, and you know, you saw guys

1134
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:03,759
Speaker 1: like a Trey Boston for example, is taken a one

1135
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:07,800
Speaker 1: year league minimum deal, and there's so many intriguing friage

1136
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:10,360
Speaker 1: and safety is just not getting much attention. And suddenly

1137
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:13,359
Speaker 1: that has changed. Safety has become more valuable than ever.

1138
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:15,439
Speaker 1: I feel like there's teams actually trying to get three

1139
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 1: good ones because they want one to play in the

1140
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 1: box and the you know, basically a strong safety or

1141
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:23,279
Speaker 1: an off ball linebacker who can cover tight ends and

1142
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 1: just be versatile. Right, we're seeing a move toward that.

1143
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 1: So a lot of teams just have an actual, you know,

1144
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 1: a good third safety or good depth or more proven

1145
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 1: commodities at that position. So when that's something like that happens,

1146
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 1: if you don't have that depth or you don't have

1147
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 1: more proven players, then then you end up a little

1148
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 1: bit lower in the grades, and then you probably then

1149
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:42,800
Speaker 1: you probably think so again, this is essentially a ranking

1150
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 1: one to thirty two and because they don't it, because

1151
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:48,439
Speaker 1: the position so strong, they probably look a little worse

1152
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 1: than the grade than they are. But also one Thornhill

1153
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 1: really up and down right. He came out so strong

1154
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 1: as a rookie and then he really fell off and

1155
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 1: struggled to see the field and then bounce back a

1156
00:56:57,480 --> 00:57:00,799
Speaker 1: bit last year. So I'm us to see what we

1157
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:02,840
Speaker 1: get out of him. You know, I do like Delpa two,

1158
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:05,279
Speaker 1: you know, like you said, kind of came on last

1159
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:06,840
Speaker 1: year as a full time player for them, so it

1160
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 1: could potentially be a good one two punts. But look,

1161
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:11,520
Speaker 1: John Johnson, it's a guy that we thought was a

1162
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:14,439
Speaker 1: superstar when he came to Cleveland and that didn't work out.

1163
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 1: So you know, he played better with the ramp than

1164
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 1: Thornshill did with the Chiefs. So I wouldn't consider Thornhill

1165
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 1: a short thing to be a you know, a star

1166
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:24,800
Speaker 1: player for this defense. When you kind of look at

1167
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 1: the AFC and obviously you have the Browns in a

1168
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 1: position to make the playoffs in this conference, you know

1169
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 1: what is it going to be? You know that you

1170
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 1: think ultimately separates this team. It's loaded. You like the Dolphins,

1171
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 1: obviously they have the quarterback question. But you think about

1172
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 1: Burrow with the Bengals, You think about Alan with the Bills,

1173
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 1: Herbert with the Chargers, Mahomes with the Chiefs, russ Now

1174
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 1: with Sean Payton and the Broncos. If Aaron Rodgers actually

1175
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 1: ever gets traded, Aaron Rodgers to the Jets, Trevor Lawrence

1176
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 1: with the Jags, maybe Lamar Jacks with the Ravens, we

1177
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 1: don't know, but I mean, that is an unbelievable group

1178
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 1: of quarterbacks. Would you say that this is kind of

1179
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 1: a golden age of quarterbacks in the American Football Conference?

1180
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 1: And what do you think is going to be the

1181
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 1: differentiator amongst these teams? Yeah, you kind of said it

1182
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 1: right THEFC right now, it's stacked Cleveland. We might be

1183
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 1: talking about NFC championship hopes if they're in the NFC.

1184
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 1: It's totally If it's so loaded, makes it it makes

1185
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 1: it really complicated. But uh, you know, first of all,

1186
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 1: I think part of it is straight up you know,

1187
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 1: health and luck. You know, uh, you know, we I

1188
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 1: guess we talk about it a lot, but really not

1189
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:32,440
Speaker 1: about really the importance of just getting lucky in the

1190
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 1: health department. If you hold up, you're probably going to

1191
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 1: make the playoffs to be competitive. And then you have

1192
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 1: teams that are really good, they just can't stay healthy

1193
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 1: and everything, you know, the wheels fall off and and

1194
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 1: and they're done for. So that's going to be a

1195
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:46,440
Speaker 1: separator for some of these teams for sure. And the

1196
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 1: other thing is the obvious one, which is which Deshaun

1197
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:52,080
Speaker 1: Watson are we getting? Are we getting the superstar, the

1198
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 1: pro bowler, the All pro from Houston? Are we getting

1199
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 1: the guy we saw down the stretch last season? You know,

1200
00:58:57,360 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 1: if I had to put money on it, I would

1201
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 1: lean towards the former, right. We know, we know how

1202
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 1: this how good this guy is with both his arms

1203
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 1: and his leg and they continue to improve the situation

1204
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 1: around him. The offensive line is still elite. There's a

1205
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 1: lot of reasons for optimism. So if he's a guy

1206
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 1: we're talking about on the MVP long list or even shortlists,

1207
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 1: then the Browns are going to be a legit contender

1208
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 1: in the AFC. Mike, let's take quarterback out of it.

1209
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 1: Because you said something on the importance that the league

1210
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:22,960
Speaker 1: has put on safety that's changed a little bit, So

1211
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 1: take quarterback out of it. Of these unit rankings, which

1212
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 1: one correlates most directly to success outside of quarterback. Yeah,

1213
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 1: So that's one of the tricky parts of this is

1214
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:38,439
Speaker 1: not every position is treated equally, right, So if you'll

1215
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:40,480
Speaker 1: get the total grade, it's not like running back at

1216
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 1: quarterback at the same grade. And to your point, quarterback

1217
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 1: obviously as great as the most almost thirty percent of it.

1218
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 1: And I use a variety of measurements to figure that out,

1219
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:51,439
Speaker 1: including salary. Right, you know, where people throw their money

1220
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 1: and where the owners throw their money kind of should

1221
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:56,800
Speaker 1: correlate with the importance of those positions. So next in

1222
00:59:56,880 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 1: line would actually be offensive line for me. You know,

1223
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:02,320
Speaker 1: part of that is that it's five players, but also

1224
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 1: obviously having a great offensive line is huge and that's

1225
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 1: going to help the Browns great here. And then after that,

1226
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 1: you know, I'm looking at edge, rusher, and cornerback on

1227
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 1: the defensive side, those are you know, getting pressure obviously

1228
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 1: is huge, and being able to slow receivers is important,

1229
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:19,160
Speaker 1: and wide receiver as well. Wide receiver is a big

1230
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:21,640
Speaker 1: percent of the grade as well, So I would call

1231
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:24,480
Speaker 1: those the key positions for sure. Yeah, I think that's

1232
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:26,640
Speaker 1: falls in line with a lot of the general managers. Right,

1233
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 1: You've got to be able to throw it. And then

1234
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:30,880
Speaker 1: on the defensive side, edge rushers cornerbacks. Now I guess

1235
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 1: safeties in an interior pass rushers have comb but you

1236
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 1: got to be able to stop them from throwing it.

1237
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:36,880
Speaker 1: And that's kind of where the league is have. I

1238
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:40,200
Speaker 1: have one question for you here. If the Ravens were

1239
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:43,000
Speaker 1: to lose Lamar Jackson and right now, this is one

1240
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 1: of the more a fuddling situations in the league, not

1241
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 1: only in the sense that you know, they haven't been

1242
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:49,240
Speaker 1: able to work something out. And I understand the arguments

1243
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:51,240
Speaker 1: on both sides, Lamar side as well as the Ravens side,

1244
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 1: but it feels to me like any team in the

1245
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:57,920
Speaker 1: NFC should be running to get Lamar Jackson because to

1246
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:00,080
Speaker 1: your point that you made earlier, you drop him on

1247
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:02,920
Speaker 1: the Falcons, they're probably the favorites in the NFC South.

1248
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 1: What do you make of little bar Jackson situations number one,

1249
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:08,600
Speaker 1: number two? If he were to come off the Ravens,

1250
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:12,320
Speaker 1: what happens to that team? Oh, they would plumb it.

1251
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:14,840
Speaker 1: You know, you just listed off the reason why, which

1252
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:16,800
Speaker 1: is that the AFC is loaded with most of the

1253
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:20,160
Speaker 1: best quarterbacks in the NFL. Right, So, if you take

1254
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:22,479
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson away and put in who I mean, who's

1255
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:24,600
Speaker 1: the starter, or trading for one of them early picks

1256
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 1: and starting a rookie. And if they do that, if

1257
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:28,480
Speaker 1: they're not going to contend in the AFC. You know,

1258
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 1: rookie quarterbacks just did take some time for them to develop.

1259
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 1: Usually it's a year two. We saw that with Trevor

1260
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:36,640
Speaker 1: Lawrence obviously sting it with Joe Burrow and Carson Wins.

1261
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:38,600
Speaker 1: I mean, you can go player after player after player.

1262
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 1: Usually it's not till year two until they can kind

1263
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 1: of move the needle for their team, so they'll plumb

1264
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:45,480
Speaker 1: it in these rankings. In fact, I already have the

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Speaker 1: Browns with a better roster, and that's with Lamar Jackson

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Speaker 1: on the team. So I don't I don't think the

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Speaker 1: Ravens are right now as the roster is constructed in

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Speaker 1: positions to make the playoffs. Which is a weird thing

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Speaker 1: to say, because you know, John Harba is one of

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Speaker 1: the best in the business, and you know he can

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Speaker 1: take an average or below average team and get them contending.

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Speaker 1: But right now, I just don't know. They had some

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Speaker 1: losses on defense too. You know, the old line's good,

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Speaker 1: but they have some skill position concerns, and the defense

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Speaker 1: lost some players they need to fill some voids. So

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Speaker 1: not super pumped about Baltimore right now, especially because of

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Speaker 1: just how loaded the AFC is. An again, yeahs lamar leaves.

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Speaker 1: They'll they'll sing pretty far down in the ranks. And

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Speaker 1: I notice you're not as high on the Steelers. A

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Speaker 1: kind of middle of the pack overall, which isn't a

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Speaker 1: bad thing. And they've got Mike Tomlin. They always find

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Speaker 1: a way to have a winning record. What do you

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Speaker 1: kind of make of that of this Steelers unit this year? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and again I just mentioned year two quarterbacks, right well,

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Speaker 1: there was only one quarterback selected in the first round

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Speaker 1: last year. That was Kenny Pickett. Ye and you know,

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Speaker 1: you look at you look at some advanced efficiency metric.

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Speaker 1: Last year, the Steelers offense was probably better than you realize.

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Speaker 1: They just settled for a lot of field goals. They

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Speaker 1: had a hard time scoring touchdowns. But you know, I've

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01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:57,360
Speaker 1: been picking on them the last years because their offensive

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01:02:57,360 --> 01:03:00,560
Speaker 1: line being atrocious. They did make some up there, so

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Speaker 1: they're getting pointed in the right direction. There more of

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Speaker 1: a well rounded offense coming together, and of course we

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Speaker 1: know their defenses is generally one of the best in

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Speaker 1: the business business. Also great coaching for Mike Tomlin. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think there's some reasons for optimism, but I do

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Speaker 1: think as things stand right now, still a lot of

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Speaker 1: work to do for them, you know. I still think

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Speaker 1: the Browns are better, Ravens are better as well. So

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Speaker 1: it's still some work to do there for the Steelers,

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Speaker 1: but they're progressing the right direction. Mike, great stuff, Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for your time. Love having the conversation

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Speaker 1: with you every year. Oh you got a guys anytime?

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Speaker 1: All right, that's Mike Clay ESPN NFL Analysts. You can

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Speaker 1: follow him at Mike Clay NFL four more. Still time

1307
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:44,640
Speaker 1: to get your questions into Uncle z. He's got your

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01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:46,880
Speaker 1: mail bag for you at Nathan Ziggura will get those

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Speaker 1: coming for you. Still so so so much more to come.

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Speaker 1: You'll listen to Clean Browns Daily brought you by Bally

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Speaker 1: soon to Ohio on eight fifty ESPN Cleveland. All right, welcome,

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Speaker 1: I get to Cleveland. Browns Daily brought you by Bally

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Speaker 1: bed coming soon, Ohio On eight fifty ESPN Cleveland The

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Speaker 1: Masters under Way Day wanted Augusta Victor Hovland seven under

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Speaker 1: as he is pacing the field. Xanders Chaffle is three back,

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Speaker 1: as is John Rahman Brooks Kepka both all three of

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Speaker 1: those guys are at four. Um. It's interesting so much

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Speaker 1: was about the love PGA or the live PGA stuff

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Speaker 1: coming into it. I forget like who's live and who's not?

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Speaker 1: Some of them I know, But a lot of these

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Speaker 1: guys I can't remember who's with what, like his Hoveland

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Speaker 1: live or is he PGA? I have no idea either.

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Speaker 1: Dustin Johnson, Pam Smith, Phil those are the ones I know. Yeah, Hoveland,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. See, I'll look it up sure if

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Speaker 1: if he is or not. I really it's interesting how Augustine,

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Speaker 1: like a lot of the European it would seem like

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Speaker 1: Hovlan would be someone that they would be interested in. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: let me look, um, yeah, but he's on he's on fire.

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Speaker 1: Keepka's four under threw four. Yeah, well he's through nine. No,

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Speaker 1: he is not yet on live, okay. Kepca's on the

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Speaker 1: back nine now he's but he's refused to rule out

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Speaker 1: a move to the Live Golf that was in February. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think Kepka was somebody if you watched him yesterday

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Speaker 1: in the part three, like he had a kind of

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Speaker 1: a feel to him of someone that was pretty serious

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Speaker 1: about wanting to go win this. And he's one of

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01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:51,080
Speaker 1: the guys that there was some reporting last year that

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01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:55,920
Speaker 1: he was somebody that was maybe having regret in going

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01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:58,280
Speaker 1: not in the checks that cash, but just in the

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Speaker 1: lack of competitiveness and the um, the lack of stage.

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01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:07,360
Speaker 1: I hear that. I feel like watching after watching the

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01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:09,920
Speaker 1: Golf Show on Netflix, it felt like he kind of

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01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:11,919
Speaker 1: had lost his confidence for a while, and that's why

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01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:15,640
Speaker 1: he went to Live was to kind of be able

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01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:18,600
Speaker 1: to get that guaranteed money and take some of that

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01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:20,960
Speaker 1: pressure off. But he's been playing well and I think

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01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:24,360
Speaker 1: he certainly is back to you know, obviously he's gonna

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01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:26,080
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be in contention this week. And

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Speaker 1: four under is a pretty darn good number to start

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01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:32,280
Speaker 1: f through four holes for him. Yeah, he's um, well,

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01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:36,360
Speaker 1: he turned the corner, bud. He's at ten. He's at ten. Yeah,

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01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:39,160
Speaker 1: he's on ten. Oh I'm sorry, four under, four under

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Speaker 1: through the front ten yep, yeah, through ten um. Yeah.

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01:06:42,520 --> 01:06:45,480
Speaker 1: Scheffler and those guys are back along with the amateur

1357
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:48,280
Speaker 1: that Bennett kid who's three under to get things started.

1358
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:52,040
Speaker 1: But it's it's a lot of who's who. It's there's

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Speaker 1: not a whole lot of names here. They're gonna transcend

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01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:56,360
Speaker 1: golf fans, but golf fans, there's a lot of really

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Speaker 1: bright young players that are on the top of this thing.

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Speaker 1: And it's been, uh certainly have been very fun to see,

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01:07:01,560 --> 01:07:03,440
Speaker 1: to see the beginning of it. Do you remember I

1364
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:06,040
Speaker 1: was thinking from an if you remember when Payne Stewart

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01:07:06,080 --> 01:07:11,680
Speaker 1: where the NFL gear, Yeah, like the tea of course

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Speaker 1: they do. And then he would and then pro set

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01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:18,440
Speaker 1: had like a card of him in the year that Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they had it. It was it was pretty good. But

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Speaker 1: he would he would wear a different uh NFL team

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Speaker 1: for the whatever the PGA tour stop was, uh in

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Speaker 1: that in that specific area. So I've seen that from

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Speaker 1: the NFL perspective about that, and we have there's obviously

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Speaker 1: a lot of people the NFL term of ownership that

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Speaker 1: are members at Augusta or can get on and play Augusta.

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Speaker 1: Peyton Manning, Larry Fitz is a member at Augusta. Unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: Larry Fitz got a pretty good resume. You wouldn't want,

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Speaker 1: You wouldn't mind having his golf memberships. He's at Seminole

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Speaker 1: two at Seminole An Augusta. That's a pretty good loves it. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:56,120
Speaker 1: plays a ton. Buddy Mine has a mattress business out

1380
01:07:56,160 --> 01:07:59,160
Speaker 1: in the Phoenix area and is at the same club

1381
01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:02,040
Speaker 1: as as Larry Fits and plays with him quite a bit.

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01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:05,440
Speaker 1: Which the best guy I can get it for you.

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01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:07,120
Speaker 1: I can't remember which one it was. I know it's

1384
01:08:07,160 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 1: in Mesa. I want to say it's in Mesa. Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: this where it is. All right, we will open up

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Speaker 1: the mail bag coming up next you listen to Clean

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Speaker 1: on eight fifty ESPN Cleveland. All Right, welcome back into Cleveland.

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Speaker 1: Browns Daily on a fifty ESPN Cleveland, brought you by

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Speaker 1: bally Bet. Time for a little mail bag. Thursday edition

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Speaker 1: of the program, Doctor Z the Administrator. All Right, This

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Speaker 1: first one comes from David Cahoun or Cahoun hope, I

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01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:53,800
Speaker 1: pronounce that right. Do you think ab Aby will trade

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01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:55,600
Speaker 1: back up into the draft? Iff? So what are some

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01:08:55,720 --> 01:08:58,040
Speaker 1: names that you would like to see him target. I

1398
01:08:58,120 --> 01:08:59,840
Speaker 1: do think we have a lot of picks, so I

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01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:01,720
Speaker 1: do think it's possible that we would move back into

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01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:05,680
Speaker 1: the second round. As far as targets go, I think

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01:09:05,720 --> 01:09:08,400
Speaker 1: if Ojilari at the edge position fell somewhere they thought

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01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:11,200
Speaker 1: he was available. I think that if you know Downs

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01:09:11,280 --> 01:09:13,920
Speaker 1: from North Carolina, the receiver somebody that maybe they'd be

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01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:16,800
Speaker 1: interested in, or Hiatt from Tennessee fell I think those

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01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:18,600
Speaker 1: are kind of guys that they could go make moves for.

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01:09:19,360 --> 01:09:21,240
Speaker 1: I think the thing that you can as a fan

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01:09:22,479 --> 01:09:26,080
Speaker 1: rest assured. Now the execution is sometimes can change, but

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Speaker 1: I think you can be rest assured of this. They

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01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:33,320
Speaker 1: will Abe will exhaust all opportunities to improve this roster

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01:09:33,479 --> 01:09:36,639
Speaker 1: through bold strokes, if bold strokes are available to be made. Yep.

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01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:39,280
Speaker 1: So when you say would they trade up, I mean

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Speaker 1: they have eight picks. If there was a way to

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Speaker 1: move up into the second round and get a guy

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Speaker 1: they really wanted, then yeah, they would yep. All right,

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Speaker 1: this one from Jersey Dot seventeen. Can we get an

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Speaker 1: exclusive interview with the missus Haff, the great Annie Thomas,

1417
01:09:53,360 --> 01:09:55,519
Speaker 1: so we can have some insight into the Hoff's presenter.

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01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:58,360
Speaker 1: Maybe yes, why not love that? I would love that

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01:09:58,720 --> 01:10:02,120
Speaker 1: great idea. That's a fantastic you hear that GiB here

1420
01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:05,840
Speaker 1: that give they're on the Inca trail right now, Machu bait.

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01:10:06,479 --> 01:10:09,759
Speaker 1: They are on the Eca trail. That's true. It is true.

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01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:12,760
Speaker 1: They're not done or they there was he texting you

1423
01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:15,360
Speaker 1: from it. He got like service for one second and

1424
01:10:15,560 --> 01:10:17,559
Speaker 1: was able to send out some texts and said that's

1425
01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:20,280
Speaker 1: just that it's been tough and that it's been the

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01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:23,080
Speaker 1: most beautiful place that he's ever been, up above the

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01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:26,760
Speaker 1: clouds and they're just loving it. That's awesome, very good.

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Speaker 1: She is they do a podcast together to her and

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01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:33,800
Speaker 1: the yeah, oh yeah, yeah, very good. She's a media star.

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Speaker 1: All right. Um, And then here's what I just have

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01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:41,799
Speaker 1: to address, because so it's the great J. W. Johnson

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Speaker 1: Partner and you know, senior vice president executive vice president

1433
01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:49,240
Speaker 1: of the Browns was on and mentioned something about a

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01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:51,800
Speaker 1: white to pay attention to. I was asked today on

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01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:54,120
Speaker 1: the Really Big Show about white helmets, and I just

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01:10:54,120 --> 01:10:58,960
Speaker 1: said stay tuned, and people are going nuts. Now. Some

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01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:00,960
Speaker 1: people are very into it. Others are like, you can't

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01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:04,599
Speaker 1: change the helmet. Folks. From nineteen forty six to nineteen

1439
01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:06,880
Speaker 1: fifty one, in the All American Conference with the Browns

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01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:09,200
Speaker 1: first were a team, they wore white helmets. There is

1441
01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:12,759
Speaker 1: a white helmet in the lineage of the Cleveland Browns.

1442
01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:16,920
Speaker 1: In fact, if you google, I don't know if if

1443
01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:19,360
Speaker 1: for the kids out there, we had a quarterback here

1444
01:11:19,439 --> 01:11:23,400
Speaker 1: of some accomplishment named Otto Graham. That's right. If you

1445
01:11:23,479 --> 01:11:25,519
Speaker 1: go to the stadium, you will see a statue of

1446
01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:28,040
Speaker 1: him and his greatness, and he's one of the few

1447
01:11:28,040 --> 01:11:30,600
Speaker 1: guys you could maybe make an argument that had a

1448
01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:34,320
Speaker 1: more accomplished career than even Tom Brady. If you if

1449
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:38,000
Speaker 1: you go and google Auto Graham Browns, you will, I

1450
01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:40,800
Speaker 1: assure you see a picture of him playing in in fact,

1451
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:45,759
Speaker 1: a white helmet. That's right. So it is very much

1452
01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:48,559
Speaker 1: in the history of the Cleveland Browns a white helmet.

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01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:50,720
Speaker 1: So let me just let's say that. All right, we're

1454
01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:53,840
Speaker 1: about to get on a role from Bobby Meckling here,

1455
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:55,560
Speaker 1: are you, well, hold on, before we get to the

1456
01:11:55,560 --> 01:11:57,280
Speaker 1: Bobby roll I know you had a bunch. There's a

1457
01:11:57,280 --> 01:11:59,760
Speaker 1: couple more I wanted, so here's one for you. This

1458
01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:02,720
Speaker 1: is in regard to the King. Jerry Lawler, who's a

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01:12:02,720 --> 01:12:05,400
Speaker 1: frequent guest and a legend all in all ways, Yes,

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01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:09,320
Speaker 1: love a dog today wants to know have you ever

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01:12:09,360 --> 01:12:12,200
Speaker 1: been in the King's batmobile? Did you know the King

1462
01:12:12,320 --> 01:12:16,920
Speaker 1: had a batmobile? Yes, that I knew. No, I've never

1463
01:12:16,960 --> 01:12:18,519
Speaker 1: been in it. By the way, I'm glad the King

1464
01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:21,400
Speaker 1: is doing well recovering from some scary health issues there

1465
01:12:22,040 --> 01:12:24,240
Speaker 1: and is doing well, so he was not able to

1466
01:12:24,280 --> 01:12:28,679
Speaker 1: be at WrestleMania this year. But love the King, and yes,

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01:12:28,760 --> 01:12:31,240
Speaker 1: I am aware that he has a batmobile. And that's

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01:12:31,240 --> 01:12:33,160
Speaker 1: why they say things. That's why the phrase it's good

1469
01:12:33,160 --> 01:12:34,960
Speaker 1: to be the King. That's why that phrase exists with

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01:12:35,080 --> 01:12:39,479
Speaker 1: things like this, isn't he Um, it's it's the Adam

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Speaker 1: west one, right, that's the old school batmobile he has.

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01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:45,439
Speaker 1: I believe, I believe you're right. Yeah, I think that's right. Um,

1473
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:50,800
Speaker 1: same Ascar with this one. With the inevitability of an

1474
01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:53,760
Speaker 1: eighteen game schedule, don't you think two bye weeks plus

1475
01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:56,360
Speaker 1: scheduling teams coming off of buyes would make teams actually

1476
01:12:56,360 --> 01:13:02,840
Speaker 1: look forward to playing Thursday night games. Yeah, I do

1477
01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:05,040
Speaker 1: think that that eventually you will get to eighteen, and

1478
01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:08,760
Speaker 1: I do think that you will have a situation where, yes,

1479
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:11,479
Speaker 1: you'll have the bye weeks, and then oftentimes you'll probably

1480
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:13,280
Speaker 1: come off of a bye week onto a Thursday, which

1481
01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:15,800
Speaker 1: makes all the sense in the world, right, but it does.

1482
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:18,720
Speaker 1: I think one thing that this probably comes from is

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01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:22,000
Speaker 1: when you were off on Monday, we were talking about

1484
01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:24,720
Speaker 1: the Thursday night games and Amazon's premium form and some

1485
01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:27,040
Speaker 1: of the stuff that Amazon was going to be demanding

1486
01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:29,360
Speaker 1: from a game quality standpoint with that based on what

1487
01:13:29,400 --> 01:13:33,920
Speaker 1: they're paying. And while I enjoy Thursday night football, especially

1488
01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:35,280
Speaker 1: when I was doing the Coaches Show, because it was

1489
01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:37,160
Speaker 1: something that was just part of the routine, and especially

1490
01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:40,320
Speaker 1: that pregame show, I did wonder if it would ever

1491
01:13:40,360 --> 01:13:43,160
Speaker 1: get to a point where a Monday night double header

1492
01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:46,559
Speaker 1: would be better than a Thursday night game. Playing a

1493
01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:50,600
Speaker 1: Monday night game at seven and ten or six and

1494
01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:54,240
Speaker 1: nine would be You'd get more bank for your buck

1495
01:13:54,320 --> 01:13:56,080
Speaker 1: that way than the Thursday night. I don't know if

1496
01:13:56,080 --> 01:13:57,320
Speaker 1: you would or not, but I don't I think the

1497
01:13:57,400 --> 01:13:59,320
Speaker 1: quality of play might be better if you did that.

1498
01:14:00,160 --> 01:14:03,400
Speaker 1: Possibly but I'll tell you what I love Thursday night football.

1499
01:14:03,439 --> 01:14:05,400
Speaker 1: I love that I do. I think it's because you

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01:14:05,479 --> 01:14:07,200
Speaker 1: still do you do the Coaches Show, so it just

1501
01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:09,280
Speaker 1: bleeds ready to do it the Coaches Show. Then I

1502
01:14:09,320 --> 01:14:12,560
Speaker 1: come home and makes some type of tacos. There's just

1503
01:14:12,680 --> 01:14:14,439
Speaker 1: a nice margarita waiting for me, and then we get

1504
01:14:14,479 --> 01:14:16,760
Speaker 1: the first football game of the weekend. I'm all about it. Yeah,

1505
01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:18,519
Speaker 1: And it used to be even better when we had

1506
01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:20,920
Speaker 1: to Hof and Herv and Steve Smith and Colleen Wolf

1507
01:14:21,240 --> 01:14:25,720
Speaker 1: on their show. Yes. Also one more from from that one,

1508
01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:32,439
Speaker 1: what's your favorite candy? I don't really have one. What

1509
01:14:32,479 --> 01:14:34,280
Speaker 1: I've been liking right now is every now and then

1510
01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:36,479
Speaker 1: before I go to Bettle and have a little piece

1511
01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:40,840
Speaker 1: of a dark chocolate bar that's got some almonds and

1512
01:14:41,280 --> 01:14:45,720
Speaker 1: sea salt. That's like dark chocolate. Yeah. Yeah. In the

1513
01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:48,920
Speaker 1: old days, um, you'd be hard pressed to beat a

1514
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:52,960
Speaker 1: frozen Snickers. Agreed, that's pretty damn good. The Snickers ice

1515
01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:55,000
Speaker 1: cream bar was then took that even to another level,

1516
01:14:55,160 --> 01:14:57,920
Speaker 1: a whole other level on the ice cream bar. Um,

1517
01:14:58,000 --> 01:15:00,040
Speaker 1: I liked to kit Can. I like it TwixT and

1518
01:15:00,160 --> 01:15:03,800
Speaker 1: like the cookie crumble is it wasn't I wasn't afraid

1519
01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:06,160
Speaker 1: of a butterfinger either. The only thing that's trigger with

1520
01:15:06,200 --> 01:15:08,160
Speaker 1: a butterfinger is just it's hard to get it out

1521
01:15:08,160 --> 01:15:12,280
Speaker 1: of your teeth. Yeah, but nobody, but it's delicious. Watch him.

1522
01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:14,720
Speaker 1: It is a real treat from me. If you want

1523
01:15:14,720 --> 01:15:16,640
Speaker 1: to go way back, I used would say if there

1524
01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:18,519
Speaker 1: was a time when I actually had a quote unquote

1525
01:15:18,520 --> 01:15:21,040
Speaker 1: favorite candy, it was for sure a cat berry creamic

1526
01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:23,800
Speaker 1: unbelievable choice. I never would have guessed that I do

1527
01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:26,519
Speaker 1: not like those in any way. Oh man, I love them,

1528
01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:29,720
Speaker 1: so I just associated with my like but I'm talking this.

1529
01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:31,840
Speaker 1: I was a kid, so like sugar, you were like, yeah,

1530
01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:34,840
Speaker 1: give me all the sugar. Even then, I liked it.

1531
01:15:34,840 --> 01:15:37,559
Speaker 1: I would get it at my aunt Nannies house and

1532
01:15:37,680 --> 01:15:39,680
Speaker 1: I just love them. And I probably I probably liked

1533
01:15:39,680 --> 01:15:42,240
Speaker 1: them also because they were once a year, you know. Yeah,

1534
01:15:42,360 --> 01:15:45,040
Speaker 1: it's like either one of us went with like the Skittles,

1535
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:48,000
Speaker 1: gummy bears, that world. That's never been anything that I've

1536
01:15:48,040 --> 01:15:50,160
Speaker 1: been interested in, even as a Kiss's Peanut butter cup.

1537
01:15:50,479 --> 01:15:53,840
Speaker 1: Especially the minis. The minis are just outrageously good. I

1538
01:15:53,880 --> 01:15:57,360
Speaker 1: actually prefer the pieces to the reces. The pieces were

1539
01:15:57,360 --> 01:16:00,680
Speaker 1: the greatest the pieces of pieces guy big. Yeah, and

1540
01:16:00,720 --> 01:16:02,600
Speaker 1: they never get the peanut. Butter was always right. They

1541
01:16:02,600 --> 01:16:05,160
Speaker 1: could never get the eminem by the way, like a

1542
01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:07,439
Speaker 1: peanut M and M's pretty undefeated too. That's great candy.

1543
01:16:07,680 --> 01:16:10,280
Speaker 1: That's a fantastic candy. Yeah, all right for sure. Um,

1544
01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:13,799
Speaker 1: all right, you got some bobbies, all right, Meckling the legend.

1545
01:16:14,439 --> 01:16:19,080
Speaker 1: Are you more detail oriented or more big picture? Big picture?

1546
01:16:19,160 --> 01:16:23,560
Speaker 1: For me, I think I've got to be detail oriented.

1547
01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:25,640
Speaker 1: I think it's just this kind of the nature of

1548
01:16:25,640 --> 01:16:28,280
Speaker 1: a lot of things that I do. I like to

1549
01:16:28,280 --> 01:16:31,240
Speaker 1: think it, but then drill down and be very detailed oriented.

1550
01:16:31,320 --> 01:16:34,200
Speaker 1: You're very detail oriented. I mean, just watching you prepare

1551
01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:37,560
Speaker 1: to be in the booth with Jim, the details were incredible.

1552
01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:41,760
Speaker 1: So all right, yeah, I think that's I mean, you

1553
01:16:41,800 --> 01:16:44,200
Speaker 1: want to be both. But yeah, lean one way that

1554
01:16:44,240 --> 01:16:46,839
Speaker 1: I would probably lean big picture and I'd probably lean details.

1555
01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:50,639
Speaker 1: All right from Bobby, what's the worst TV show you've

1556
01:16:50,640 --> 01:17:00,439
Speaker 1: watched recently? Well, I mean, I'm gonna just I'll change that,

1557
01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:03,240
Speaker 1: change it a little bit. The worst TV show that

1558
01:17:03,280 --> 01:17:07,960
Speaker 1: I've watched a lot of his Entourage, the worst TV

1559
01:17:08,040 --> 01:17:12,120
Speaker 1: show that I've watched recently. I'm trying to think of

1560
01:17:12,200 --> 01:17:14,360
Speaker 1: one that, like somebody said you gotta watch this and

1561
01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:17,320
Speaker 1: then it didn't take. I'll give you a hot take

1562
01:17:17,360 --> 01:17:24,960
Speaker 1: while you're punt with pontificating the last season of Yellowstone. Yeah,

1563
01:17:25,040 --> 01:17:27,080
Speaker 1: I still enjoyed it even though it was totally but

1564
01:17:27,160 --> 01:17:29,559
Speaker 1: it was terrible. Yeah, yeah it was. It was really

1565
01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:31,800
Speaker 1: really bad. I'm trying to but in terms of something

1566
01:17:31,880 --> 01:17:33,760
Speaker 1: that I just watched once and was like, yeah, no,

1567
01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:38,720
Speaker 1: I'm good that that rarely happened. That doesn't happen. Ye, don't. No,

1568
01:17:39,240 --> 01:17:42,519
Speaker 1: the last season Yellowstone was off the rails for sure. Yeah,

1569
01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:45,519
Speaker 1: but there still were enough enjoyable moment. It's great, two

1570
01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:48,120
Speaker 1: or three scenes in an hour that I was that

1571
01:17:48,360 --> 01:17:51,920
Speaker 1: kept bringing you back. It's great, but it's objectively it was.

1572
01:17:52,280 --> 01:17:54,760
Speaker 1: It was bad. It was really really bad. Don't tell

1573
01:17:54,840 --> 01:17:59,719
Speaker 1: Drew all right. Cats are dogs. Defender stands dogs easy.

1574
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:02,200
Speaker 1: I mean the fact that somebody would have to defend

1575
01:18:02,200 --> 01:18:04,759
Speaker 1: that is crazy to me. And I'm allergic the cats,

1576
01:18:05,040 --> 01:18:07,240
Speaker 1: and I think that they're evil and they will suck

1577
01:18:07,280 --> 01:18:09,719
Speaker 1: the life out of your mouth. Everybody knows it. They're

1578
01:18:09,760 --> 01:18:13,280
Speaker 1: the worst. Absolutely, I'm allergic to them. You can what

1579
01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:16,760
Speaker 1: you remember when we would always talk about Baker and

1580
01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:19,880
Speaker 1: the receivers, and we'd always use trust. Yeah, you cannot

1581
01:18:19,880 --> 01:18:23,040
Speaker 1: trust a cat, man, No, you cannot trust a cat.

1582
01:18:23,240 --> 01:18:25,240
Speaker 1: There's a reason that when you like have a kid.

1583
01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:26,840
Speaker 1: If for those of you who don't have kids yet,

1584
01:18:26,840 --> 01:18:28,320
Speaker 1: one of the things they will ask you as you're

1585
01:18:28,320 --> 01:18:30,200
Speaker 1: preparing for your first child, as they'll say, do you

1586
01:18:30,240 --> 01:18:32,080
Speaker 1: have a cat? And the reason they ask you that

1587
01:18:32,160 --> 01:18:34,160
Speaker 1: is because a cat will kill your baby. Kill it,

1588
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:36,559
Speaker 1: that's right, It'll go right over that thing, or it

1589
01:18:36,600 --> 01:18:39,320
Speaker 1: sucks the life out. Can you see the Stephen King?

1590
01:18:39,680 --> 01:18:41,759
Speaker 1: Check it out? Now? All those things are the worst.

1591
01:18:42,120 --> 01:18:44,280
Speaker 1: I would say Doctor Evil would have been a much

1592
01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:47,240
Speaker 1: better villain had he had a dog. I think that

1593
01:18:47,240 --> 01:18:49,679
Speaker 1: that was probably the most hateable thing about doctor Evil

1594
01:18:49,800 --> 01:18:54,000
Speaker 1: is that he had mister Bigglesworth. Mister Bigglesworth, that hairless cat. Yea,

1595
01:18:54,080 --> 01:18:59,960
Speaker 1: what is it? Awful? Awful? All right? Do you believe

1596
01:19:00,040 --> 01:19:05,760
Speaker 1: even ghosts? No? I do, I think I do. I

1597
01:19:05,800 --> 01:19:08,599
Speaker 1: believe he ghosts. I certainly believe in aliens, Yes, for sure,

1598
01:19:08,840 --> 01:19:13,280
Speaker 1: other life elsewhere one hundred percent. Yeah, ghosts. Best give

1599
01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:15,559
Speaker 1: a story that he wouldn't want you to tell. I

1600
01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:18,559
Speaker 1: think those would have to come from give a because

1601
01:19:19,080 --> 01:19:22,439
Speaker 1: he subtly drops insane factoids and we don't even know

1602
01:19:22,520 --> 01:19:25,880
Speaker 1: the stories yet, He's going to have to come from

1603
01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:30,559
Speaker 1: him without question. Also the most embarrassing Gibbey things he's

1604
01:19:30,640 --> 01:19:33,640
Speaker 1: done on the air. Yeah, I mean, I mean he

1605
01:19:33,680 --> 01:19:37,599
Speaker 1: did Wednesday night tape. I mean it's fought. He fought

1606
01:19:37,640 --> 01:19:39,640
Speaker 1: for it. Tiger, back to back, Birdies by the way,

1607
01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:41,960
Speaker 1: one over, let's go, let's go, get to even baby,

1608
01:19:42,080 --> 01:19:44,320
Speaker 1: get to even make the cut, play the weekend, Let's go.

1609
01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:48,240
Speaker 1: Um No, I mean the Wednesday night taped is all

1610
01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:56,240
Speaker 1: time for the new listeners. GiB a vehemently, stubbornly one

1611
01:19:56,880 --> 01:20:04,840
Speaker 1: ercent emphatinitively emphatically us was convinced, convinced that Saturday Night

1612
01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:10,240
Speaker 1: Live was taped on Wednesday night. He didn't really have

1613
01:20:10,280 --> 01:20:12,000
Speaker 1: an answer for how stuff would make it in the

1614
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:15,599
Speaker 1: news that happened that day, that Saturday, but he said

1615
01:20:15,640 --> 01:20:17,360
Speaker 1: he didn't care. He knows for a fact it was

1616
01:20:17,400 --> 01:20:23,719
Speaker 1: taped on Wednesday. Yes, and somewhere there that exchange. Whenever

1617
01:20:24,120 --> 01:20:27,360
Speaker 1: this whenever this carnation of this program ends, that will

1618
01:20:27,400 --> 01:20:31,519
Speaker 1: be that's our crowning moment. That's the moment right there,

1619
01:20:31,960 --> 01:20:35,320
Speaker 1: not not being a you know, top ten podcast in

1620
01:20:35,360 --> 01:20:38,960
Speaker 1: the world. On the on the Odell Beckham trade. Uh,

1621
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:42,680
Speaker 1: not the various things we've navigated. Oh my god, the

1622
01:20:43,240 --> 01:20:46,200
Speaker 1: that that's it Wednesday, that was it Wednesday night taped,

1623
01:20:46,520 --> 01:20:49,160
Speaker 1: that's the operation. We should play that every now and then,

1624
01:20:49,320 --> 01:20:51,000
Speaker 1: Like we should just play that whole segment everything. I'd

1625
01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:54,559
Speaker 1: love to. Yeah, yeah, Nick saying Entourage is fantastic, one

1626
01:20:54,560 --> 01:20:56,840
Speaker 1: of the best shows ever. Nick, it sucks. I'm sorry.

1627
01:20:56,880 --> 01:20:59,519
Speaker 1: I love you. I love you, but you're not a

1628
01:20:59,560 --> 01:21:02,360
Speaker 1: serious person. In the words of Logan run, I love you,

1629
01:21:02,400 --> 01:21:06,360
Speaker 1: but you're not a serious person. I love it. Do

1630
01:21:06,479 --> 01:21:09,120
Speaker 1: you call someone to vent your anger or spend time

1631
01:21:09,120 --> 01:21:12,040
Speaker 1: alone thinking? If they're absolutely I loved events big ventor.

1632
01:21:12,280 --> 01:21:14,920
Speaker 1: I enjoy the venting, and I like being a sounding

1633
01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:18,479
Speaker 1: board to others ventings. I think it's helpful. Yeah, I um,

1634
01:21:18,680 --> 01:21:20,840
Speaker 1: I guess if the question is do I do do

1635
01:21:20,880 --> 01:21:23,800
Speaker 1: I vent to the person who I'm angry at? No? No, No,

1636
01:21:23,880 --> 01:21:27,720
Speaker 1: of course, I still think I'm probably more of a

1637
01:21:27,720 --> 01:21:32,880
Speaker 1: alone contemplate. I never I don't rarely get it. I

1638
01:21:32,920 --> 01:21:36,120
Speaker 1: don't think I rarely get it. Takes a lot. If

1639
01:21:36,120 --> 01:21:38,559
Speaker 1: you have a grievance, there though sometimes grievance. For sure,

1640
01:21:38,680 --> 01:21:41,280
Speaker 1: treat it and you say, hey, question, Yeah, that's the deal,

1641
01:21:41,320 --> 01:21:43,799
Speaker 1: that's what I think he's talking about. Yes, yes, that happens.

1642
01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:48,799
Speaker 1: You and I do that frequently, mostly about giving Wednesday

1643
01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:50,960
Speaker 1: night taped. What are you gonna do? You gotta If

1644
01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:53,559
Speaker 1: you could have a lifetime supply of anything, what would

1645
01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:59,240
Speaker 1: it be? Well, I think you know certainly money. Money

1646
01:21:59,240 --> 01:22:02,880
Speaker 1: would be nice money. Yeah, it's just to take that

1647
01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:06,120
Speaker 1: off of the equation. You and I could go have

1648
01:22:06,320 --> 01:22:08,360
Speaker 1: you know, our big horn residents, We could set up

1649
01:22:08,360 --> 01:22:10,919
Speaker 1: o f we could do a lot of things. Unlimited

1650
01:22:10,960 --> 01:22:13,720
Speaker 1: supply of money. Yeah, that's that solves a lot of

1651
01:22:13,720 --> 01:22:15,960
Speaker 1: the problems for uscump. One less thing to worry about,

1652
01:22:16,120 --> 01:22:17,880
Speaker 1: one less thing to worry about. That's all. If you

1653
01:22:17,960 --> 01:22:22,160
Speaker 1: take that out, and you take out like being practical,

1654
01:22:24,479 --> 01:22:26,200
Speaker 1: you know where you would say something that costs you

1655
01:22:26,240 --> 01:22:27,720
Speaker 1: a lot that you have to buy all the time,

1656
01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:34,799
Speaker 1: Then what's that answer? All of wine, food and wine,

1657
01:22:36,720 --> 01:22:40,080
Speaker 1: which one specifically probably that it would be pretty cool

1658
01:22:40,120 --> 01:22:43,799
Speaker 1: to have an endless supply of high high end wine. Yeah,

1659
01:22:43,800 --> 01:22:45,960
Speaker 1: that would be great wine. Sure, although you could have

1660
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:47,639
Speaker 1: a great bottle of there's a lot of great bottles

1661
01:22:47,640 --> 01:22:48,960
Speaker 1: of wine. I can't get that. But like, if you

1662
01:22:49,040 --> 01:22:51,120
Speaker 1: think of what you spend the most money, Like if

1663
01:22:51,160 --> 01:22:52,560
Speaker 1: all of a sudden I never had to spend it

1664
01:22:52,640 --> 01:22:55,799
Speaker 1: another scent on groceries for the rest of my life. Yeah,

1665
01:22:56,120 --> 01:22:58,360
Speaker 1: I feel like that would be The savings of that

1666
01:22:58,400 --> 01:23:02,519
Speaker 1: would be immense. Yeah. Yeah, groceries would be a pretty

1667
01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:04,759
Speaker 1: remarkable Here's another one. I wouldn't mind having a lifetime

1668
01:23:04,800 --> 01:23:12,360
Speaker 1: supply of of free travel. Lifetime supply of private plane use,

1669
01:23:12,439 --> 01:23:16,320
Speaker 1: private plane use. Incredible, that would be that's free. Yeah,

1670
01:23:16,400 --> 01:23:24,120
Speaker 1: I'm in on that. Yeah yeah. Um. How many? How

1671
01:23:24,120 --> 01:23:27,080
Speaker 1: many close friends is ideal? I think you can have

1672
01:23:27,120 --> 01:23:29,320
Speaker 1: a handful of of like truly close friends. They could

1673
01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:33,080
Speaker 1: have a tight circle like that. You got the right

1674
01:23:33,160 --> 01:23:37,559
Speaker 1: number five, Yeah, that's the number somewhere around there, and

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Speaker 1: then everybody else's close acquaintances, and then beyond then acquaintances

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Speaker 1: and all of that. You can't I will say this,

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Speaker 1: you can have too many close friends. Yes, that's real, Yes,

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Speaker 1: that's true. Uh. Favorite quote from a wrestling promo I

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01:23:56,320 --> 01:23:58,960
Speaker 1: used to love back in the day. The Rock was

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Speaker 1: going to wrestle an I quit match against Mankind and

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Speaker 1: he said, there's something about this situation that really befuddles

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Speaker 1: the rock And I always thought that was hilarious. I

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Speaker 1: don't know why, it just tickled me. And then now,

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Speaker 1: of course, recently I fall in love with well how

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Speaker 1: about it? How do you? How is the answer to

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Speaker 1: this question for you? Anything other than champions prerogative? Champions

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Speaker 1: p Oh, you're right, yeah, I mean that's it. Hold

1688
01:24:26,920 --> 01:24:32,040
Speaker 1: this bill. Oh yeah, nope, sorry, changed my mind. Champions prerogative. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the boys still boots. He still uses that all the time,

1690
01:24:34,920 --> 01:24:38,800
Speaker 1: as he should. It's unbelievable and believable. It's great. By

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Speaker 1: the way, this guy says, wasn't the Stephen King movie

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Speaker 1: about a little troll that sucked the life out of

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01:24:42,840 --> 01:24:45,960
Speaker 1: the girl and the cats saved her? Oh way, I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I have no point I can't. I don't

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Speaker 1: know about that. I was never a horror movie guy,

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01:24:51,080 --> 01:24:54,720
Speaker 1: so I didn't see any anything with cats saving peoples,

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01:24:54,880 --> 01:24:59,400
Speaker 1: trolls or cats. I apparently cats. I no point of

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Speaker 1: reference on that, Nick. I've never even heard of that movie.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about crazy pet cemetery. Don't the cats terrible

1700
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Speaker 1: things in pet cemetery? You can't trust a cat man,

1701
01:25:10,120 --> 01:25:14,200
Speaker 1: no way, I'm out anyway. Yeah, no, no, there's there's

1702
01:25:14,240 --> 01:25:19,519
Speaker 1: just there's no movie about a crazy killer cat called Uninvited. Yeah, no, thanks,

1703
01:25:19,720 --> 01:25:23,040
Speaker 1: there it is goes on a killing spree exactly. Can't

1704
01:25:23,080 --> 01:25:26,439
Speaker 1: trust him, no chance, so much work. You listen to

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Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns Daily, brought you by Baally Bet, Coming soon

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Speaker 1: to Ohio on eight fifty ESPN Cleveland. Cleveland Brown's Daily,

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Speaker 1: on eight fifty ESPN, Cleveland. All right, Master's leaderboard, Victor

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Speaker 1: Hovland your leader still he is seven under. Xander chafflet

1710
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Speaker 1: Is at five. He's joined at five by Adam Scott

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Speaker 1: former champion with an e on fifteen, Johnny Ram at

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Speaker 1: five as well, and then Lowry Kepka Burns All at

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Speaker 1: four as as they are going through this thing at

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Speaker 1: August a couple of birds for tigers. So he's getting

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01:26:13,479 --> 01:26:15,639
Speaker 1: closer back to even he's what's he at one now?

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Speaker 1: Ye fills out? He's two under right now, Michelson is.

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Speaker 1: So there's a little a little bit of juice there,

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Speaker 1: my friend as well on that side of things. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: all right, we off good, leaderboard, very very good. We

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Speaker 1: are off tomorrow due to the Guards home opener, So

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Speaker 1: happy Easter, everybody, go Guards, get it done, keep it locked.

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Speaker 1: Here on eight fifty ESPN Cleland. They're gonna take care

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Speaker 1: of the special days on the calendar here in Northeast Ohio,

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01:26:45,400 --> 01:26:48,920
Speaker 1: the home opener of the Guardians. So enjoy that, have

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Speaker 1: a great, happy holiday weekend for those that participate. We

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Speaker 1: will be back on Monday, the next level that's coming

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