1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,480 Speaker 1: Hello, just Matt again. Remember secret missions all the time 2 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: with the guys. Uh, they're away from the moment that 3 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: but they'll be right back actually in just a couple 4 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:11,800 Speaker 1: of seconds when you hear them. In this classic episode 5 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:19,640 Speaker 1: about Project ice Worm, This is from November. We often 6 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:24,479 Speaker 1: talk about the secret machinations of governments and militaries on 7 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: this show, and this episode is no different. We're talking 8 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: about secret bases that are hidden away in in places 9 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: that you never expect. If you're a you know, a 10 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 1: regular old person like you and me. Uh, even if 11 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 1: you're a military, like an opposing military, you might not 12 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: think about places some of the secret places that military 13 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 1: has put these bases. And this secret base isn't a 14 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:49,880 Speaker 1: very unexpected place, I don't know. Base in a place 15 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:52,560 Speaker 1: I don't know. I like how that's rhyming. It's in Greenland, 16 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: you know, the the giant ice covered continent up there. 17 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: It's not really constant like an island is. It's Greenland 18 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: and it's a secret base and it's under the ice. 19 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 1: It's super cool. It's so cool. It's cold. Oh I'm 20 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:10,040 Speaker 1: sorry here, guys. Take it away from UFOs to psychic 21 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:14,680 Speaker 1: powers and government conspiracies. History is riddled with unexplained events. 22 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: You can turn back now or learn the stuff they 23 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 1: don't want you to know. Hello, my name is Matt, 24 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 1: my name is Nol. They call me Ben. You are 25 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:39,040 Speaker 1: you that makes this stuff they don't want you to know? 26 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 1: And as we are, as we're recording this, it's a 27 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: little before the U. S. Holiday called Thanksgiving. So when 28 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: this podcast comes out, hopefully if you are in the U. S. 29 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 1: And you celebrate this sort of thing, you will you 30 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: will be full of trip to fan the sleepy ingredient 31 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: in Turkey and taking a pleasant snooze. And if you're lucky, 32 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: your family has a elaborately decked out underground ice bunker 33 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 1: where you can enjoy their company. Um, in appropriate surroundings 34 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 1: for such a holiday. Um, I see ones right, and Uh, 35 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 1: that's that's what they call foreshadowing in the business, ladies 36 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: and gentlemen. Uh. You may also take a moment, if 37 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 1: you will, the day after Thanksgiving to celebrate National Heritage Day, 38 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: which is a commemoration of the Native American people who 39 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 1: were invaded by Europeans. Controversial, but that's the nature of 40 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: this show and it is factual. Today we are not 41 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 1: talking about Thanksgiving we are talking about military bases, government secrecy. 42 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:48,959 Speaker 1: And so for those of us in the audience who 43 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 1: like the political stuff, you'll love this. Uh. And for uh, 44 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:55,519 Speaker 1: those of us in the audience who say, hey, why 45 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: don't you do more paranormal stuff? Thank you for all 46 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:00,959 Speaker 1: the awesome emails, tweets, some messages. Doing our best to 47 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: get more topics like that on this show. It can 48 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: be a little bit of an uphill battle, but hopefully 49 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 1: they're more on the way. We're also talking in a 50 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 1: way today about climate change. The crux of today's topic 51 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: dwells in the realm of geopolitics, the murky business of 52 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:18,639 Speaker 1: the institutions seeking to control the world and the groups 53 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:24,919 Speaker 1: of people seeking to control those institutions. Here here are 54 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 1: the facts. Funny thing about America, right, And of course 55 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: we've been in the US. When we say America, we 56 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: mean the United States. Everyone in this country does it, sorry, Canada, Mexico, 57 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 1: totally all American. But the thing about the US, as 58 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 1: seen by residents of the U S is that, well, 59 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 1: maybe we do it hypothetically. Matt, How would you feel 60 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 1: if how would you feel if a country built a 61 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: base on US soil? Like? Would it depend on the country. 62 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 1: You know, would you be more okay with France versus 63 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia? Yeah, that would be where is it? Is 64 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 1: it an ally? Um? Not in my backyard? Yeah? Yeah? 65 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: What else is going on to you politically that necessitates 66 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:19,480 Speaker 1: a base on US soil from another country? I mean, 67 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: I would hopefully look at it in those terms unless 68 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: it was in extreme close proximity to where I live 69 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 1: and work every day. And what are we talking here? 70 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: Will there be nuclear payloads involved? You know, like I said, 71 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:37,479 Speaker 1: not in my backyard. Mr. It's it's strange because the 72 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 1: overwhelming majority of US citizens or even just US residents, 73 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: overwhelmingly across the board demographics, Uh, demographics can be super 74 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 1: very old, young, wealthy, poor, various racial identifications, religious identifications, 75 00:04:56,279 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 1: political allegiances. Almost everybody says a foreign military base on 76 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 1: US soil, well, that's an abomination, that is an abomination 77 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: to this country. Yet US military bases on other countries 78 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: soil are seen, as you know, essential to the various 79 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 1: political buzzwords of our time. National security. That's the great 80 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 1: boogeyman that we've explored in the past. Just to put 81 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:22,359 Speaker 1: out there, I was playing a character and saying not 82 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 1: in my backyard, and I was I was that guy 83 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 1: that has that exact sense that there, you know, of 84 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 1: course we need them there, but don't don't let them 85 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: put them. Global stability is not my neighborhood stability UM 86 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 1: and whatever else like what whatever else UH people use 87 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 1: to linguistically disguise that fact that's seen as the US 88 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: being sort of the world's police force, right, And you'll 89 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 1: also hear the You also hear the argument like, oh, yeah, yeah, well, 90 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:55,719 Speaker 1: we built that base because people want us there. People 91 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 1: want the rule of law, people want the security of 92 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:03,839 Speaker 1: the world old's best military, and the US is almost 93 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 1: by any measure, the world's largest and most efficient millets 94 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 1: well not efficient, not efficient, just the largest and most 95 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 1: effective in terms of destruction. But this argument that people 96 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: want foreign bases on their soil, or that other countries 97 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:23,280 Speaker 1: want U S bases on their soil is usually not 98 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 1: true spoiler alert. When they say we want the u 99 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 1: S there, what they what they typically mean is something 100 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: like the leaders of the country have hatched to deal 101 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:38,039 Speaker 1: with the leaders of this country to have this thing 102 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 1: in um adjacent to UH country that the US is 103 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 1: hostile toward. So, for instance, South Korea and North Korea, 104 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 1: Iran and every other country surrounding Iran, because the US 105 00:06:56,160 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 1: sure hates Iran ever since they throughout the where did 106 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,719 Speaker 1: the US supported dictator? So, as far as we know, 107 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 1: the U S has built the most foreign bases in history, 108 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 1: in human history, more bases, more you know, foreign sights 109 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 1: than the Roman Empire, more than the UK, more than 110 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 1: commit more than Babylonian society UH. At this point or 111 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 1: as of two thousand fifteen, the U S has around 112 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 1: eight hundred more or less publicly known if not officially 113 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 1: acknowledged like open secret bases. And you can learn more 114 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 1: about this in a book called Base Nation, How U 115 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: S Military Bases Abroad harm America and the World by 116 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 1: David Vine. Obviously, the guy's got a slant, but his 117 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: numbers are on point in terms of the number of bases. 118 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 1: I don't know if I completely agree with his opinion 119 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 1: of what those all those bases are doing. And we're 120 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 1: also almost certain that there are more sites out there 121 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: that they remain unacknowledged and may remain unacknowledged for decades 122 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: and deck it's at least that is until the ice 123 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 1: begins to recede and the devils of the Imperial past, 124 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 1: come calling for their do what are we talking about? 125 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 1: You know, when you said that is them, you sounded 126 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: a lot like rod Sterling doing a Twilight Zone narration. Oh, 127 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 1: thank you man, their best come calling for the Thank 128 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: you so much. Rod Sterling is a is a hero 129 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 1: of mine. Good stuff. Thank you? Hey? What um? But 130 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 1: what are we talking about specifically? Here? We talked about 131 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 1: underground layers. We talked about ice Specifically, we're talking about 132 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 1: a US military base called Camp Century and it's a project. 133 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:44,679 Speaker 1: It's a part of this thing called Project ice Worm, 134 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 1: which was originally started as a way to quote test 135 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 1: construction techniques out in the Arctic or Arctic construction techniques. So, 136 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:58,439 Speaker 1: how do I make things work from an engineering perspective 137 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 1: when it's bitterly cold, like cold, unforgivingly cold, brutal? Was 138 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:05,680 Speaker 1: that from the core of engineers? That was the description 139 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 1: of the Project cool. It exists a hundred and fifty 140 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 1: miles from an existing US base called Tually Air Base, 141 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 1: Camp Uh and that is it's also a hundred and 142 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:21,599 Speaker 1: twenty one miles from the coast of Greenland, right and 143 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: Tual the air base is still extend. It's the U 144 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 1: s Air Forces northernmost base, and it's a about seven 145 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 1: miles north of the Arctic Circle, a little less than 146 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 1: miles from the North Pole, the physical and not the 147 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: magnetic one UM and it's or I should say, the 148 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 1: conceptual one, not the magnetic one. UM. So this, this 149 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 1: UH is home to the twenty one Space Wings global 150 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 1: network of sensors. Just to give some just to give 151 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 1: some context here. And when we say sensors, of course 152 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 1: I mean the UH detection of external stimuli. I don't 153 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: mean editing the truth. And just to give people a 154 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: sense of like the layout of this I mean because 155 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:11,439 Speaker 1: when I first started looking into it, I was picturing 156 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 1: some sort of fortified, crazy futuristic ice dome like James 157 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: Bond villain Lair style, like we talked about at the 158 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:21,680 Speaker 1: beginning of the show. But what in fact we're talking 159 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:25,680 Speaker 1: about is much more like a traditional military base where 160 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 1: you have you know, barracks, you have different research facilities, 161 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 1: you know, you have a gym um, a commissary, things 162 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 1: like that. So I'm looking at an aerial view of 163 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 1: it and it kind of just looks like a neighborhood. 164 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 1: But but it's not like their roads or anything like 165 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 1: that connecting these these things up. It's tunnels that were 166 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:47,680 Speaker 1: board through the ice right, and we'll we'll take a 167 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 1: look at the construction as well. So at the time, 168 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:55,719 Speaker 1: the US discussed the plans for building Camp Century with 169 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 1: Denmark and they said, as Matt pointed out, it would 170 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 1: be a demonstration of affordable ice cap military outposts. They 171 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: believed Denmark at least officially believed this would be a 172 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 1: way to explore scientific concepts, so not an active application 173 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 1: of things, more a well this work, what can we 174 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 1: do with this? Um Denmark thought the U s would 175 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 1: explore practical problems with a semimobile nuclear reactor, like how 176 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: could we make a movable nuclear reactor that is stable 177 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: and supplies enough power to support as Noel said, a town, 178 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 1: a military outpost of this size and being a base 179 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 1: camp for scientific experiments in the ice cap. And this 180 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: all was in a way true. However, what Denmark did 181 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 1: not officially know about and Noel, what are those what's 182 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 1: that quote we use for air quotes? Officially? Yes, What 183 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 1: what Denmark did not officially know about was Project ice Worm. 184 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 1: This was a proposed system of tunnels that would, eventually, 185 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 1: according to their plans, be too thousand five miles length 186 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 1: used to deploy up to six hundred nuclear missiles that 187 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 1: would be able to reach the Soviet Union in the 188 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 1: case of nuclear war, which was a clear and present danger. 189 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:12,680 Speaker 1: The brilliant thing about this is that the missiles were 190 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: under Greenland's ice sheets, so when deployed, if deployed they 191 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: would happen, they would launch too close to be detected 192 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 1: or prevented in time. This was also created before the 193 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:32,959 Speaker 1: US knew about the dead Man's Hand, the apocalyptic nuclear 194 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 1: UH nuclear system which exists in Russia today, which you 195 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 1: can find out about in our our previous audio podcast, 196 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 1: And just in case they were discovered or compromised somehow. 197 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 1: Even though Soviet technology, so far as the West knew, 198 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 1: cannot detect these weapons, the sites would still be changed periodically. 199 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 1: We talked about the construction of this, so let's get 200 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 1: in a little more detail. There are twenty one trenches 201 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 1: and they had arched roofs UH and then inside of 202 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 1: those arches that's where they put these you know, like 203 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 1: prefab buildings. If you went to a public school in 204 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 1: the United States, then you have probably seen those add 205 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:25,679 Speaker 1: on trailers that happen when UH. When there are more 206 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:28,679 Speaker 1: students than the building can house. He used to call 207 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: them portables when I was a kid, afordables. I don't 208 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 1: know if that's like a thing that was just in 209 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 1: my neck of the woods, but I remember that, and 210 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: it happens, especially if you're around you know, growing populations. 211 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 1: So these pre fabricated buildings, as Noll said, they had hospitals, chops, 212 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 1: a theater, a church. Of course, the total number of 213 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 1: inhabitants the highest point was two hundred, and they had 214 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 1: a very interesting electricity supply from nineteen sixty detail um 215 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:03,839 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty three. The electricity supply was provided by the 216 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 1: world's first mobile portable nuclear reactor A portable, A portable exactly. Yeah, 217 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 1: our ours didn't didn't have those, but um we had 218 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 1: we had R. L. Steinbooks, so plenty um. It was 219 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 1: referred to as the pm to A and designated by Alco, 220 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 1: the company for the US Army. Yeah, and p m 221 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 1: t A actually stood for something. It was, uh, portable 222 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 1: medium power, which is kind of cool. So it was 223 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 1: like one to ten megawatts is how much you could generate. Interesting, 224 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 1: you know, and uh, there's also such a great story 225 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: in there which listeners we we'd love it if you 226 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: take time to check this out and maybe we could 227 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: do something in the future on private engineering of nuclear facilities. 228 00:14:55,800 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: Because Alco started as a locomotive company, it's short for 229 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 1: American Locomotive Company. They also in Camp Century and the 230 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 1: planned Project ice Worm. They took water supplied from glaciers 231 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 1: and they had to this is such a cool side note. 232 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 1: They had to test it for plague just in case 233 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 1: something survived there in the depths of the glaciers. And 234 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 1: here's what they eventually wanted to build um. This missile 235 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 1: network was outlined in a report called the Strategic Value 236 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: of the Greenland Ice Cap Completed. They were thinking this 237 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 1: will cover fifty two square miles. It will be three 238 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 1: times the size of Denmark, the country that technically the 239 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: US is occupying. Is that we didn't know about it. 240 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 1: They didn't know about this plan. They didn't officially know. Yeah, 241 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 1: they didn't know about But it's also interesting when we 242 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 1: when we think about a country like the US is 243 00:15:56,560 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 1: already larger than Denmark, right, and Denmark had rustiction over Greenland, 244 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 1: and the US was building a base that was larger 245 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 1: than the country it was technically occupying. Do you know 246 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: the name of the capital of Greenland, nuke Beard right 247 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 1: under your nose, man, that's what I know. It's true. 248 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 1: I did. I didn't want to mention that A lot 249 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 1: of sources refer to the base itself as more or 250 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 1: less a cover for this more strategic project where they 251 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: were trying to you know, really get a foothold, so 252 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 1: to speak, in the ice and like borrow these tunnels 253 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: in order to you know, have this strategic advantage. Um. 254 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 1: And the base itself was almost more just like a 255 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 1: cover project so they could actually do this more you know, 256 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 1: kind of top secret project, right, and also so that 257 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 1: I mean, let's sen of it this this way, um. 258 00:16:56,640 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 1: At this time, there are deep cover operatives from both 259 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 1: sides of the Cold War embedded in all sorts of 260 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:09,639 Speaker 1: government and private industry positions, high value stuff. I just 261 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 1: I find it difficult to believe that the Soviet sources 262 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:17,880 Speaker 1: would not somehow get wind of this. Come on, man, 263 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:24,880 Speaker 1: we're building this the test construction techniques. Come on. Oh yeah, 264 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 1: and I'm sure I'm sure Harp was just experimenting with 265 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:32,360 Speaker 1: the ionosphere to see what would happen. Let's spend let's 266 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 1: spend hundreds of millions of dollars on projects like this, 267 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 1: and I'm not I'm not quoting um exact financial amounts here, 268 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 1: but I am saying that you are absolutely right, Nolan 269 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 1: Matt The it was a cover They wanted to launch 270 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:53,879 Speaker 1: complex to be twenty eight feet below the surface, and 271 00:17:53,920 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 1: then the missile launchers themselves even deeper, and it would 272 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: be in clusters spaced about four miles apart from each other. 273 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 1: They would dig new tunnels every year, so after five 274 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 1: years there would be thousands of different possible firing positions 275 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:14,120 Speaker 1: and they could rotate amongst those, which is important because 276 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 1: that means that once the sovietside found out about it, 277 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 1: they would be playing whack a mole. Essentially, they couldn't 278 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:23,719 Speaker 1: hit the whole thing at once. And they built a 279 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 1: different kind of or they intended to launch a different 280 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 1: kind of Minuteman missile. It was a shorter, two stage 281 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 1: version and they called it the Iceman, which I think 282 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 1: is cool. It reminds me that play the Iceman Cometh. However, 283 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 1: it didn't last very long because you see the ice 284 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 1: was moving. Yeah, on Greenland, the surface ice is constantly 285 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:53,679 Speaker 1: moving outwards from what would be essentially the center of 286 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 1: the continent as it forms and then moves towards the ocean. 287 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 1: And this poses a problem for these tunnels that were 288 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:04,880 Speaker 1: dug inside this ice because they're gonna be deforming, They're 289 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 1: gonna be uh you know, as a size and melting 290 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 1: like it's gonna bulge in on the tunnels. If you've 291 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:12,360 Speaker 1: got a missile silo that's dug out in there, that 292 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 1: poses a huge problem. Stuff is gonna get covered up. 293 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 1: You're gonna have to be constantly I guess, maintaining like 294 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 1: such huge amounts of maintenance that it would probably not 295 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:25,639 Speaker 1: be feasible. And the idea of climate change at this 296 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:28,440 Speaker 1: time was pretty much just a glimmer if that. I mean, 297 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 1: it just wasn't a thing. Yeah, absolutely, but they did. Yeah, 298 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 1: so it wasn't politicized the way it is now. Um. 299 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 1: But the patterns were in place right and for them 300 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:44,879 Speaker 1: it was just pure science, was pure engineering. Just you 301 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 1: cannot build a castle on sands. We should mention too 302 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 1: that some of the first ice cores were taken in 303 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 1: that research facility we mentioned at the base, UM, which 304 00:19:56,359 --> 00:20:00,119 Speaker 1: would you know, which we're looking for variations historically in 305 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:02,640 Speaker 1: the layers of ice in order to kind of see 306 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:05,680 Speaker 1: the way the planet had developed and what the conditions 307 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 1: were like over time. Yeah, I believe climatologists still use that. 308 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:12,880 Speaker 1: The results from those today. You ever seen the way 309 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 1: they store those like they pull them out and they 310 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 1: they're stored in these like giant crazy tubes are than 311 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 1: like you know, kept in a climate controlled environment. It's insane. 312 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to be around it because I have 313 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:28,440 Speaker 1: this habit of this long standing principle I don't want 314 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 1: to touch things that I can't afford to replace. So listeners, 315 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:36,880 Speaker 1: if you ever meet me in person, ah, I think 316 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 1: the world of you. I love you, death, love your kid. 317 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 1: Don't want to hold it. And what if plague is 318 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 1: in there been and what if plague is in there 319 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: met uh in the ice weming not in your So 320 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:52,680 Speaker 1: you're having these potential structural issues with this moving ice. 321 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:56,879 Speaker 1: And by nineteen sixty two, the ceiling of the reactor 322 00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:01,639 Speaker 1: room where this portable nuclear reactor was uh, it dropped 323 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 1: and in this the reactor itself had to be lifted 324 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 1: five ft And we're talking, I mean this thing is well. 325 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:09,919 Speaker 1: I know one one component of the reactor was twenty 326 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 1: one tons, and I mean this is a massive undertaking 327 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 1: just to move this thing, and that poses a problem. 328 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: But then then they realized within three years the the 329 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:24,879 Speaker 1: ice core samples started showing evidence that the glaciers was 330 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: moving actually faster than they had anticipated, and they realized, 331 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:31,880 Speaker 1: this ice is going to destroy the tunnels and all 332 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 1: of these planned launch stations in like two years. We're 333 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 1: talking two years from now. Everything is destroyed that we 334 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: want to make. So they decided to you know, cut 335 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 1: their losses, and they evacuated the place in nineteen sixty. 336 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 1: A little bit after that in the nuclear generator itself 337 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:54,199 Speaker 1: was removed, and they canceled Project ice Worm altogether, at 338 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:59,359 Speaker 1: least officially, and Camp Century closed in nineteen sixty six, 339 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 1: and decades would pass before anyone else learned about this 340 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 1: UH In Denmark and the US had beef over previously 341 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:18,119 Speaker 1: classified UH set of of dickments information regarding the n 342 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: B fifty two crash at the Toil Air Base, and 343 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: because of that disagreement, the public learned and Denmark officially 344 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:35,959 Speaker 1: learned of Project ice Worm. However, when we say the 345 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 1: public learned, often what we're what we're saying is that 346 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 1: it was no longer classified, or it was technically on 347 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:48,639 Speaker 1: paper available, So while it was publicly available, it was 348 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:55,360 Speaker 1: highly unlikely that someone would use this information or or 349 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:59,680 Speaker 1: even be aware of it. Right, so much it changed, however, 350 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 1: in scientists concluded that the portion of the ice sheet 351 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:11,680 Speaker 1: covering Camp Century is most likely going to melt away. 352 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:17,719 Speaker 1: We would have never learned about this thing, this secret 353 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 1: military base, unless it was already inevitable that this would 354 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 1: be exposed. And when it is exposed, we're talking about 355 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 1: some very dangerous possibilities. That's right. Remember that nuclear generator, Well, 356 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:37,919 Speaker 1: that thing was pumping out hazardous materials, as you know, 357 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,199 Speaker 1: as it was creating power. That's just how it functions. 358 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 1: So when they left, there's still at the site roughly 359 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 1: two liters of diesel fuel, roughly the same amount of 360 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 1: wastewater from the generator. There's all kinds of radioactive coolant 361 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 1: that's still there that that nobody even knows how much 362 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:01,439 Speaker 1: is still there, and like PC, these other kinds of 363 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 1: organic pollutants. Yeah, man, I mean, I don't know if 364 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:06,119 Speaker 1: I ever told you guys this one. I used to 365 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 1: work for a public radio My beat was the nuclear 366 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 1: plant in the town where I lived in Augusta Georgia 367 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 1: UM and also there was a called the Savannah River Site, 368 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:19,400 Speaker 1: which was converted into more of a research facility where 369 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 1: different scientists study the effects of nuclear waste on the environment. 370 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 1: The reason for that is is that it had been 371 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 1: the site of a refinery was built in the nineteen 372 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 1: fifties to refine materials used to make nuclear weapons. But 373 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:37,480 Speaker 1: when they decommissioned it, they had just buried all of 374 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 1: this waste in these pits that were aligned with what 375 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 1: the equivalent of like a tarp, you know, like a sheet, 376 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 1: and so there were all these different pits that they 377 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 1: had to clean. All these projects involved cleaning out this waste, 378 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 1: and then again the scientists their study of the effects 379 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:55,399 Speaker 1: on you know, uh, deer and amphibians and turtles and 380 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 1: all this kind of stuff. Point being is that in 381 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 1: these days the government was not particular we concerned with 382 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 1: doing a real bang up job at cleaning up their messes. 383 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 1: So there's still a lot of learning that's going on 384 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,680 Speaker 1: in these days about the effects of all that stuff. 385 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 1: Um not to you know, cast it away and say, oh, 386 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,120 Speaker 1: they didn't know what they were doing. But still it's 387 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,400 Speaker 1: uh irresponsible in some ways, absolutely, But you know, their 388 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,199 Speaker 1: Their idea was, oh, the ice will just it'll just 389 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 1: be um preserved forever and no one will ever be 390 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,880 Speaker 1: exposed to it, which there is some truth to that. 391 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,879 Speaker 1: But as we know, that's that ice is receding still 392 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 1: and who knows what happens if it ever, you know, 393 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 1: did get exposed. Right between two thousand three and two 394 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,359 Speaker 1: thousand ten, the ice that covers most of Greenland was 395 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 1: melting twice as fast as during the rest of the 396 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 1: twenty century. It's picking up the pace, and you can 397 00:25:49,800 --> 00:26:01,439 Speaker 1: look at the temperatures as well to see this. The 398 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:06,439 Speaker 1: only good thing currently is that in the immediate short 399 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: term it looks like there continues to be more and 400 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 1: more ice building up on top of of this site. 401 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,879 Speaker 1: So in nineteen fifty nine, Camp Century was eight meters 402 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 1: below the ice. Uh, then in nineteen sixty five it 403 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,640 Speaker 1: was twelve meters below the ice. Then in this year 404 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,639 Speaker 1: it stands at thirty five ms below the ice. But 405 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 1: like Ben said, what's happening here is the ice. The 406 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,680 Speaker 1: ice sheet is generated in certain months or like certain 407 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 1: time of the year, then it melts away and then 408 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 1: it comes back a little bit and then it recedes. 409 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 1: So it's this ebb and flow of ice and the 410 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 1: melting is increasing, so they're what are they thinking, Ben, Yeah, yeah, 411 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 1: slightly before the end of this century. Yeah, that's when 412 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 1: all of the ice will be gone and this stuff 413 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,879 Speaker 1: is just exposed to the elements. So is there no 414 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 1: uh program or anything that that's that's interested in cleaning 415 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 1: this up or getting in there and you know, taking 416 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 1: care of this in advance of that happening, or is 417 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,919 Speaker 1: it just too inaccessible? Well, Greenland became largely independent in 418 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy nine. The government's UM, the local government of Greenland, Denmark, 419 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,359 Speaker 1: and the US are aware of this. The U s 420 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,199 Speaker 1: has issued a statement saying that they are going to 421 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 1: work to address any concerns in Matt. I see you. 422 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 1: I just love that idea. We're gonna address any concerns. 423 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 1: It'll be fine. I see, I see Matt doing the 424 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:42,440 Speaker 1: unhappy grit and headshake. Um. You're a man of many grins, 425 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,639 Speaker 1: and I've learned to read several of them. I'm not 426 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 1: fluent in your language yet, but I'm picking up what 427 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:51,159 Speaker 1: you're putting down. So you think it's malarkey, huh, I 428 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, there's not much money in cleaning up. Yeah, 429 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 1: it's not profitable for anyone. And you know, it seems 430 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:06,399 Speaker 1: like we have a pretty standard policy in this country 431 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 1: when it comes to that kind of stuff, as who cares, 432 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:11,680 Speaker 1: It'll be fine, we'll deal with it when we deal 433 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,360 Speaker 1: with it once it gets really bad. Well, can you 434 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 1: can we honestly expect people who are especially if they're elected. 435 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:22,119 Speaker 1: Can we honestly expect people who are elected for a 436 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 1: term of four years or two years or even ten 437 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:32,159 Speaker 1: years if that happens too, effectively create solutions that won't 438 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 1: come into play until twenty years, twenty five years. You 439 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 1: can't expect a person with a four year mind to 440 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 1: make good twenty five year decisions. You can hope for it, 441 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 1: but you can't expect it. And that's that's one of 442 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 1: the problems here, is that we are as a species 443 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 1: on the precipice of extended lifespans, and it is quite 444 00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 1: possible that the first person who will functionally be immortal 445 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 1: one sense or the other is alive today. So this 446 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 1: problem is becoming less and less abstract. You know, it's 447 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 1: very easy to say, as as Drew Carey said once 448 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 1: in a stand up set, you know, forget the kids, 449 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 1: forget the later generations, I forget the ozone. I want 450 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 1: I want my hair spray now or whatever it was. 451 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 1: That that's the point, um now is the future is now. 452 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,520 Speaker 1: It's happening. If you take decent care of yourself, then 453 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 1: medical technology will start with the obscenely wealthy, right, and 454 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 1: a few lottery winners who will get a careful what 455 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 1: you wish for situation like the Henrietta Lacks, who is 456 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:56,720 Speaker 1: the currently technically you guess you could say the mother 457 00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:06,960 Speaker 1: of the first immortal. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And that's not 458 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 1: kind of immortality a lot of people would like. But 459 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 1: what we're saying is your odds of living to see 460 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 1: this are higher now than any point ever. And I 461 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 1: know that's yes, you're just chronologically closer. We're just chronologically closer. 462 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 1: But also you could be born in and white, possibly 463 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 1: live to and not not live in some deluded state either. 464 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 1: You could be cognitively functional. And that's just one abandoned 465 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 1: base and we only learned about it because governments are saying, well, 466 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 1: people are going to find out eventually. Yeah. When Google 467 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 1: Maps came along, they're like, yeah, well guess we get 468 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 1: to talk. Yeah, h when the when the glaciers. When 469 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 1: the glaciers melt starts changing colors, that fish start floating, 470 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 1: belly up again and more. Uh. Then, eventually, as we 471 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 1: said at the beginning, the devil comes calling for his due. 472 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 1: And now in towards the very end of the year, 473 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,720 Speaker 1: the US is likely making more military bases than it 474 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 1: is closing. Many countries are involved in this, mostly superpowers 475 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 1: and outside of the public sphere. These countries intelligence agencies 476 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 1: are keenly aware of who owns what, who's going for what, 477 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:54,040 Speaker 1: who's closing what and when. The discovery of black sites 478 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 1: is somewhat of a controlled burn. The idea that you 479 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 1: can give the public that feeling that secrets have been 480 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:05,360 Speaker 1: discovered to prevent you know what I mean, like you 481 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 1: you cut off the arm to save the body. Project 482 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 1: Project century, isn't that important anymore. We don't need to 483 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 1: worry about it. We can tell people about that. But 484 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,440 Speaker 1: then we're gonna keep these other seven so top secret. 485 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 1: Only Trump's gonna know about it. Oh, that's right, the president. Uh. 486 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 1: I often wonder how much the president knows about these 487 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 1: sorts of projects. Feel like strategically they would have to 488 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 1: write because they make the final call. No some there's 489 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 1: some stuff that has to be compartmentalized so that they 490 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 1: can maintain plausible deniability, which means that they will have 491 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 1: a situation where they will talk in in a high 492 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 1: level terms about something, but then someone else will take 493 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 1: care of it in the specifics and the nuts and bolts, 494 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,360 Speaker 1: which is why you can have a situation where someone says, 495 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:59,840 Speaker 1: I think that we should let's let's pivot and have 496 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 1: more you know, human rights in a given country, and 497 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,960 Speaker 1: then uh, a part of the government will go off 498 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,480 Speaker 1: and say, okay, what does that mean? And then the 499 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 1: bombs start dropping. That's that's that can happen. That doesn't 500 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 1: you know. That's of course not the official policy, and 501 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:22,960 Speaker 1: that of course doesn't happen all the time, but it 502 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 1: has happened historically. And again as we take pains to say, 503 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,680 Speaker 1: not just with the US, but we would like to 504 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 1: hear from you what military bases or in your neck 505 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 1: of the global woods? Right, do you do you live 506 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,800 Speaker 1: near a foreign military base? The odds are overwhelmingly likely 507 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,120 Speaker 1: that if you do, it's run by the US. And 508 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:51,480 Speaker 1: oh we should also say, as a disclaimer, not all 509 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 1: bases are created equally. The Diego Garcia airstrip site is 510 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 1: a very different an animal, uh than you know Guantanamo 511 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 1: Bay or Black Site in Poland's right, and that's very 512 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:15,239 Speaker 1: different from a military base in Germany or something. And 513 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 1: full disclosure, I used to live on military basis. Um. 514 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:25,680 Speaker 1: I can assure you some are much more sophisticated and 515 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:30,000 Speaker 1: livable than others. Uh. So let us know what your experiences, 516 00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:31,840 Speaker 1: let us know what your life was like on a 517 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:35,600 Speaker 1: military base. Um. And let us let us know your 518 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:40,719 Speaker 1: opinion if you are comfortable sharing it, because again, you're 519 00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:42,640 Speaker 1: the best part of the show and the reason the 520 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:48,000 Speaker 1: show works is because of your suggestions. Which reminds me 521 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:51,279 Speaker 1: it's been a while since we did shot at Corners. 522 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:58,319 Speaker 1: I have a shout out today goes to Brent Liberati, 523 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,480 Speaker 1: Brent Rights, I volunteer then Aviation Museum. And on our 524 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 1: flight back from an air show, we flew over the 525 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:07,440 Speaker 1: U S National Radio Quiet Zone. Sound familiar, Um, we 526 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,880 Speaker 1: happen to fly directly over Sugar Grove Station. Some of 527 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,560 Speaker 1: our crew asked what it was. When another crew member 528 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,840 Speaker 1: and myself we're able to explain it to them thanks 529 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,520 Speaker 1: to std w y t K that's us. It's a 530 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,319 Speaker 1: mouthful Anyway, I took some pictures I thought you would enjoy. 531 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,959 Speaker 1: I'll test him with the email. Hope men in black 532 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,440 Speaker 1: suits don't show up on my doorstep. Love the podcast. 533 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,240 Speaker 1: Keep on illuminating, Brent, And he said, some really cool 534 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:33,080 Speaker 1: pictures fly over pictures of this, uh, this area in 535 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,480 Speaker 1: the quiet zone? Um? Is that? And you can see 536 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,479 Speaker 1: the radio telescope right there on the left here. Maybe 537 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:41,840 Speaker 1: we'll post these on social media or something. Can we 538 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:45,759 Speaker 1: do that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, if you're comfortable with it, 539 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:50,200 Speaker 1: all right? And Adam writes to us and ask Adam 540 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:53,399 Speaker 1: c Rights to us desk, have you heard of vent 541 00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:57,799 Speaker 1: v h g m T Voluntary human extinction movement? If 542 00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:01,360 Speaker 1: you or your listeners are interested in human population mitigation 543 00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,279 Speaker 1: for the benefit of ecology and humanity, this is the 544 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,960 Speaker 1: place to be. It's very reasonable. Take a look. I've 545 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:08,759 Speaker 1: had these beliefs for a long time, but this guy 546 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,920 Speaker 1: makes the most sense of anyone I've ever heard. Might 547 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,640 Speaker 1: make a good show for you. Scary stuff, Adam, see 548 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:21,680 Speaker 1: scary scary stuff, the idea of voluntary human extinction. I 549 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:26,440 Speaker 1: think a lot of people will have survival arguments against that. 550 00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:30,640 Speaker 1: But I looked at some of the information and it's 551 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:34,920 Speaker 1: completely fascinating. Check it out. They're not talking about necessarily 552 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:43,560 Speaker 1: huge suicide pact population mitigation preventing the lenthusiast collapse. And 553 00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:47,200 Speaker 1: we have one more shout out for today. Laura writes 554 00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,120 Speaker 1: to us and says, Hey, I've been subscribed to your 555 00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,600 Speaker 1: channel for several years and I enjoy it very much. 556 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,680 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Laura. It's very kind of you. 557 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:55,919 Speaker 1: I'm surprised that your team has not done a video 558 00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:59,640 Speaker 1: about the weird theory surrounding rh negative human blood. I 559 00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:03,799 Speaker 1: am negative myself and recently researched the recess factor while 560 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:07,200 Speaker 1: working on a novel. Some claim our h negative people 561 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:11,160 Speaker 1: are descendants of ancient aliens, have special powers, or are 562 00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:14,120 Speaker 1: the children of the Nephelim. I hope you will consider 563 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:17,560 Speaker 1: the subject worthy of your show. I consider that very worthy. 564 00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,799 Speaker 1: That's a cool idea, so thank you so much more 565 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:24,440 Speaker 1: for writing in. It's fascinating. It's been a while since 566 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:28,600 Speaker 1: we looked at the idea of nephelim, you know, and 567 00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:32,680 Speaker 1: the more we learn about ancient human history, the more 568 00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:34,880 Speaker 1: it seems. I don't know how you guys feel, but 569 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:40,240 Speaker 1: the more the more evidence I see that these folk tales, 570 00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,360 Speaker 1: and these ancient traditions may be based on other hominid 571 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:49,359 Speaker 1: species encounters with early man and at times inter you know, 572 00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:53,040 Speaker 1: at times interbreeding, which is why we're all likely to 573 00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:58,520 Speaker 1: carry some stranger DNA with us. So maybe the blood 574 00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,680 Speaker 1: is part of that. I could you. 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