Speaker 1: August two thousand and twelve started off as a relatively
Speaker 1: normal night. Terrell Barrows was at Money Lounge and Providence,
Speaker 1: Rhode Island with Stephen Boden and some other friends, and
Speaker 1: disagreement ensued between Stephen and two other clubgoers, Rokim Henley
Speaker 1: and Jamal Cruz, but the tension didn't boil over until
Speaker 1: later in the parking lot. See Stephen Boden wanted his
Speaker 1: cigarettes and he would ask Toorell for his car keys
Speaker 1: because that's where they were, So he left ahead of
Speaker 1: the group, and as fate would have it, who was
Speaker 1: parked right next to Terrell, but Jamal and Rookie, who
Speaker 1: were now ominously approaching Terrell and the rest of his friends. Though,
Speaker 1: we're just arriving on the scene and trying to avoid
Speaker 1: the drama, so Terrell made for the driver's side door,
Speaker 1: and then gunshots. Terrell quickly ducked into the driver's seat
Speaker 1: and Stephen Boden jumped into the passenger side. Seconds later,
Speaker 1: the cops were at the car and they saw Stephen
Speaker 1: trying to hide the gun. Stephen confessed on the spot
Speaker 1: to the shooting. Has Both men were coughed and intoxicated
Speaker 1: and mortally wounded Jamal Cruz and put his head down
Speaker 1: when shown Terrell a far cry from an identification, but
Speaker 1: that didn't stop a detective from testifying a trial about
Speaker 1: a quote unquote dying declaration. The state even ignored Stephen
Speaker 1: Boton's immediate and uncoerced confession forging blindly ahead to ultimately
Speaker 1: sent Darrell to prison, where he remains to this day,
Speaker 1: serving two consecutive life sentences plus thirty years. This is
Speaker 1: Wrongful Conviction with Jason Flom. Welcome back to Wrongful Conviction
Speaker 1: with Jason Flom. Today we're going to be discussing the
Speaker 1: really troubling case of Terrell Barrows, who was honesfully convicted
Speaker 1: of shooting in which one person was killed and another
Speaker 1: was badly injured. And with us today we have a
Speaker 1: student at Georgetown who's been doing incredible work investigating his
Speaker 1: case under the leadership of my friend, Professor Mark Howard.
Speaker 1: So New Genna Hendy, welcome to the show, Thank you, Jason.
Speaker 1: The Georgetown class that New Jenna is a student in
Speaker 1: is taught by Mark Howard and a name that you'll
Speaker 1: recognize him being on our show more than once. Marty
Speaker 1: Tankliff and of course, this class was directly responsible for
Speaker 1: the exoneration of Valentino Dixon. If you haven't heard his episode,
Speaker 1: please go back and listen to it. It's extraordinary. So
Speaker 1: we hope to be hearing from Terrell Barrows very soon.
Speaker 1: Of course, in this COVID time that we're in, it's
Speaker 1: very hard to get to the phones in prison, but
Speaker 1: we will be discussing his case and hopefully hearing from
Speaker 1: him as the podcast progresses. So let's go back to toot.
Speaker 1: Back in August of two thousand and twelve, Terrell Barrows
Speaker 1: and a group of friends headed out to Money Lounge
Speaker 1: in Providence, Rhode Island. While they're in the club, there's
Speaker 1: some sort of verbal altercation between Terrell's group and a
Speaker 1: couple of members of another group, including the two that
Speaker 1: got shot. One was Rokim Henley, who got shot in
Speaker 1: the leg and who I spoke with a couple of
Speaker 1: times over the past few months, and then Jamal Cruz
Speaker 1: who ended up dying that night. But Tarrell wasn't a
Speaker 1: part of that verbal altercation. It was Stephen Baden who was.
Speaker 1: And so a name was called, someone's hat got tapped
Speaker 1: off their head, and then no one really stays. There's
Speaker 1: not a physical altercation at all. Later on in the night,
Speaker 1: Stephen Boughten Asterrell. He goes, hey, let me get the tactico.
Speaker 1: Get your car keys. So as he's heading over, there
Speaker 1: is another car that has parked bumper to bumper with
Speaker 1: Terrell's car, and it just happens to be the car
Speaker 1: of Jamal Cruise. Stephen thought that Jamal and row Kim
Speaker 1: were coming to cause problems when reality they were just
Speaker 1: walking to their car stuff and grabs the gun and
Speaker 1: you know, witnesses say he told them don't come any closer.
Speaker 1: And at this point Torrell starts heading over to his
Speaker 1: car with his group of friends. Terrell is about ten
Speaker 1: of fifteen feet away from Stephen Bowden in Jamal Cruise,
Speaker 1: which is where all I witnesses placed them as well,
Speaker 1: And he's actually walking to get to the other side
Speaker 1: of his car to hop in the driver's seat because
Speaker 1: he knows that there's trouble about to happen he doesn't
Speaker 1: want to be a part of it. He hears two gunshots,
Speaker 1: he jumps into the driver's seat and almost immediately Stephan
Speaker 1: jumps into the passenger seat and the cops are there
Speaker 1: to arrest them. And there's more to this too, because
Speaker 1: when Stephan jumped into the passenger seat, he had a
Speaker 1: sort of a moment of self awareness right where he
Speaker 1: started apologizing to Terrell for sort of involving him in
Speaker 1: the Yeah, you know. At this point, the arresting officers
Speaker 1: are on either side and the gun is still with
Speaker 1: stuff in boden. He has caught concealing the gun in
Speaker 1: the passenger side door, and Stephen actually confesses on the scene.
Speaker 1: He said, it's me, It's all me, it's all mine. Yeah.
Speaker 1: They are both arrested, taken to a patty wagon, and
Speaker 1: then there's a show up that is done. Now they
Speaker 1: spoke with a couple of jury members who told me
Speaker 1: this is what caused us to believe Darrell is guilty.
Speaker 1: So in the show ups, they bring Stephan over to Jamal,
Speaker 1: who was in critical condition on the floor, extremely intoxicated,
Speaker 1: and they say, is this the man that shot you?
Speaker 1: And Jamal looks away. Apparently when they bring over Terrell,
Speaker 1: Detective Matracia says, Jamal nods, that's what they say he did.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if he nodded or not. He was
Speaker 1: in no position to make any identification of anyone, and
Speaker 1: we still don't know if he did. Is that like
Speaker 1: he stuck his finger out and went, yeah, that's the
Speaker 1: guy who shot me, and he's out right, that's not
Speaker 1: what happened. They actually did not even do a show
Speaker 1: up identification with the other guy, ro Kim Henley, who
Speaker 1: was shot and he was not in critical condition. They
Speaker 1: also didn't bother to swab the hands of either Terrell
Speaker 1: or Stephen, right, that would be so critical to figuring
Speaker 1: out who did or did not commit this horrible crime.
Speaker 1: And Jason, I think it was clear to arresting officers
Speaker 1: this had to have been Stephen. It was in his hand,
Speaker 1: he confesses. That's probably why they didn't even swab their hands.
Speaker 1: And then you know, somehow the story gets twisted and
Speaker 1: it's it's now in Terrell because of what they call
Speaker 1: a dying declaration. Terrell always says, he goes, there were
Speaker 1: two lives lost that night, Mine and Jamal Cruise, and
Speaker 1: I feel bad because Jamal Cruise didn't get justice. Is
Speaker 1: a free call from an inmate at maximum security facility.
Speaker 1: Thank you for using securist. You may start the conversation now. Hello,
Speaker 1: Hey Terrell, thanks for calling in. I know we have
Speaker 1: limited time, so let's you get right to it. Can
Speaker 1: you take us back to the awful night of this
Speaker 1: crime and give us your perspective, having lived through this
Speaker 1: nightmare yourself. Well back at that night, and the two
Speaker 1: dudes approached, you know, talking to m Steffing about something.
Speaker 1: The problem was with me. So we went outside on
Speaker 1: the front of the club, step from one of my
Speaker 1: keys to go get a cigarettes. So when we go
Speaker 1: to the path, the two dudes approaching. So I see
Speaker 1: them two dudes. Oh my god, man, here we go.
Speaker 1: So I turned around to go the job inside of
Speaker 1: the car and I hear shocks. So I just run
Speaker 1: into my car. So got onto my car. Pop is
Speaker 1: like a us he had to gun on me and
Speaker 1: put your hand understand Will. I put my hand to
Speaker 1: understand Will, and he keeps on saying it what are
Speaker 1: you talking to? Stuff in So he puts his hands
Speaker 1: on the stand wheel and he's like, yo, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I love y'all, love you. The police officers
Speaker 1: tapping open, He's like, oh yo, the passinger's got the gun.
Speaker 1: So as soon as he opens up the door, Stephan says,
Speaker 1: it's me. It saw me, it's all mine. He's like
Speaker 1: it's shoot. He's like, yeah, it's me. So when he
Speaker 1: took him out, he's already hetting come from the other
Speaker 1: pop they had the gun on us. He comes, he
Speaker 1: flashed puss on the wrist, my wrist and swings me
Speaker 1: on the floor, brings it back to the Patty Wagon.
Speaker 1: There's about held shot. I didn't know no one was shot.
Speaker 1: I could see blood every this dude shirt. So this
Speaker 1: dude shot in the chest and this dude is like
Speaker 1: doing a show up with this guy shot in the chest,
Speaker 1: asking him this in the sin the sin. The guy
Speaker 1: just looked at me and put his head down. He
Speaker 1: didn't say nothing, he didn't do nothing. He is saying nothing.
Speaker 1: He just put his head down. So then they had
Speaker 1: put me back into patty wagon. They bring me back
Speaker 1: to the station. When we got the station, you know,
Speaker 1: they do the mud shot at the fingerprints where they
Speaker 1: got me to a room with two detectives. I asked
Speaker 1: for my lawyer to catches. Angelo of was the lead.
Speaker 1: He was the one that questioning your first time in
Speaker 1: the first night. So he's like, oh, you know he
Speaker 1: wants to cigarette. You want to sigare I'm like no.
Speaker 1: He's like, you want a water. I'm like no, and
Speaker 1: he catch on China talk to me, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I want my lawyer. I want my lawyer. I want
Speaker 1: my lawyer. So he leaves the room and he comes
Speaker 1: back and brings back to hold himself. So one of
Speaker 1: them one times, I'm like, yo, I'm banging on the door.
Speaker 1: Cap comes, He's like, oh what you're banging the dom Like,
Speaker 1: I want my phone call. He's like phone call. I'm
Speaker 1: like yeah, He's like, are you gonna play phone calls?
Speaker 1: We are going. I'm like, where am I going. He's like,
Speaker 1: You're going to kill? Why? What the hell? They bring
Speaker 1: me from the bus. They chance for me there and
Speaker 1: I find out one day the raiment I'm getting charged
Speaker 1: with murther I go up into the courtroom, had to
Speaker 1: split up. Steffing was on the left side on the
Speaker 1: right side, so they reached stuff in his charges seven
Speaker 1: both room, possession of a firearm, and I was there.
Speaker 1: He goes to Terrell Barrows first degree. It's Paul Michelle
Speaker 1: everything I love. I did not do it, he admitted
Speaker 1: on the scene to the part that's the part I
Speaker 1: don't understand. I don't understand it either, because it should
Speaker 1: have been overraped then and there, Okay, the caller has
Speaker 1: hung up. I have never and may never again hear
Speaker 1: of a case in which the actual shooter skates on
Speaker 1: the charges after confessing on the scene. Right, I mean,
Speaker 1: at that point, this should be a very short podcast.
Speaker 1: That should be the end of it. I mean, this
Speaker 1: would be funny, except it's so freaking serious, right, And
Speaker 1: this is this is the system that we all rely
Speaker 1: on day in and day out. I'd like to believe
Speaker 1: that we have people who are doing the job that
Speaker 1: they're paid to do. In this case, it's absolutely true.
Speaker 1: It failed society, it failed the victim, it failed Terrell.
Speaker 1: And that's what we're here to talk about. And then
Speaker 1: it gets weirder because then you start with the the eyewitness.
Speaker 1: The only eyewitness is a guy named Gregory's or Obedient,
Speaker 1: and he initially claims he didn't see the shooting and
Speaker 1: then changed his testimony six days before the trial to
Speaker 1: say he saw Terrell do it. We have a document
Speaker 1: signed by the Assistanttorney General promising not to charge him
Speaker 1: for perjury should he alter his testimony. That's maybe just
Speaker 1: a little bit of a red flag there. Now get this, Okay,
Speaker 1: this Gregory's or obedient guy had, well let's just call
Speaker 1: it an extensive criminal history. But that might not even
Speaker 1: be doing a justice. So his rap sheet went back
Speaker 1: thirty years. It included convictions not arrest, convictions for living
Speaker 1: off the earnings of a prostitute, grand larsen d u
Speaker 1: I causing death, cocaine possession, burglary, theft, escape, and that's
Speaker 1: just the beginning. So do we think that after doing
Speaker 1: all these other things he's done, he might be willing
Speaker 1: to lie in exchange for a deal. Well, I would
Speaker 1: say that's a pretty good likelihood. And then let's get
Speaker 1: to Detective Charles Matracia. Do you want to take that one? Jenna?
Speaker 1: He was actually the one who claims that he saw
Speaker 1: Jamal Cruise nod when they brought over Terrell. I asked
Speaker 1: her all I said, were you watching Jamal? He said, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was watching him. Did he not He said no,
Speaker 1: he didn't do anything, So whether he did or not
Speaker 1: is another story. But again, Jamal Cruise was under the
Speaker 1: influence of alcohol. He had a b a c of
Speaker 1: point one six two, which seems like a lot until
Speaker 1: we look at Rokine, who had to actually hire b
Speaker 1: A c as well. And then both Stephan and Terrell
Speaker 1: were wearing white T shirts and darker pants. Out of
Speaker 1: the group that Terrell was in, he was not the
Speaker 1: only one with two long black braids. He just wasn't
Speaker 1: it was a style. If you look at the pictures
Speaker 1: of his friend group, he's not the only one with
Speaker 1: two long black braids. And so out of a group
Speaker 1: of people wearing white shirts, dark pants, too long black braids,
Speaker 1: you're dying on the floor. And Detective Matracia says, yeah,
Speaker 1: he nodded when we brought over Terrell. I mean, how
Speaker 1: unreal could that be? And so now we're moving into
Speaker 1: gs are TESTINGSR stands for gunshot residue, yep, and there
Speaker 1: are three particles of gunshot residue that they test for
Speaker 1: when they're looking at clothing. So when Stephen and Terrell
Speaker 1: were initially arrested, Stephen was, you know, pulled out of
Speaker 1: the car and he was slammed against the side of
Speaker 1: the car. When Terrell was arrested, he was pulled out
Speaker 1: of the car and slammed to the ground. So he
Speaker 1: actually had some dirt on his white shirt in a
Speaker 1: specific area. What they initially test was the chest area
Speaker 1: of both Terrell and of Stephen, because the theory is
Speaker 1: if someone is a shooter and they hold the guns
Speaker 1: to rate ahead, that the gunshot residue will recoil and
Speaker 1: hit them in the chest area. So they talk about
Speaker 1: stuff and they go, well, we found lead on stuff,
Speaker 1: and and they say, well, you also found lead on Terrell.
Speaker 1: So Terrell whispers to his attorney, asked if they happen
Speaker 1: to find the lead where my shirt was dirty? They
Speaker 1: said yes, So it makes sense that that's the only
Speaker 1: place on his clothing where they found lead. So this
Speaker 1: is all the information they had in terms of gs
Speaker 1: R at trial, but there is more GSR evidence to come,
Speaker 1: which is part of what we are motioning for with
Speaker 1: the new hearing coming up. Well, we're on initials, right,
Speaker 1: We'll go from gs R to d n A. And
Speaker 1: the d n A report excluded Tarrell from having held
Speaker 1: the gun. So let's touch for a second on the
Speaker 1: d n A expert for the state who we know
Speaker 1: was well, I mean most unfortunate quote unquote experts are
Speaker 1: pro prosecution. In fact, the whole system is pro prosecution.
Speaker 1: Over of judges. Our former prosecutors. So throughout the process
Speaker 1: there's a tilt towards prosecution, and the experts that you're
Speaker 1: seeing may not be objective at all. And this is
Speaker 1: one of those cases where I think that's, uh, there's
Speaker 1: a strong argument to that effect. Sogenic can you talk
Speaker 1: about that? Yeah, Kara Lapino gave extremely pro prosecution testimony,
Speaker 1: and the way that she had presented it. The attorney
Speaker 1: would ask a question the prosecutor, she would respond to
Speaker 1: say yes, and Tarrell was included. And then you all
Speaker 1: of a sudden get to the very, very very end
Speaker 1: and they really quickly sneak in a couple of lines
Speaker 1: of Terrell was excluded and Stephen Boden's d n A
Speaker 1: could not be excluded. So when I'm talking to the juror,
Speaker 1: she goes, I don't even really remember him being excluded.
Speaker 1: It was so confusing. There are a lot of numbers
Speaker 1: thrown out. Terrell seemed to be included in almost every
Speaker 1: mixture that they're talking about. It's absolutely insane and if
Speaker 1: I was in the jury, I would have thought the
Speaker 1: same thing. And the state's witness essentially muddy the waters
Speaker 1: of what was a pretty cut and dry DNA report
Speaker 1: that excluded Terrell from having ever held the gun. But
Speaker 1: then there's Rochim Henley, the other guy who got shot
Speaker 1: that night. His testimony, along with the ballistic evidence known
Speaker 1: at the time of trial, make it an actual and
Speaker 1: possibility that Terrell could have been the shooter. He does testify,
Speaker 1: and when I asked him the same question when I
Speaker 1: met with him, he said, the only person standing close
Speaker 1: to Jamal Cruz Wes Stephen Baughden. So I said, here's
Speaker 1: the discrepancy. Did you see who shot you? He said no.
Speaker 1: I said, okay, well, ballistic evidence proves that the shot
Speaker 1: was made from near contact to eighteen inches away, and
Speaker 1: you are telling me that the only person standing near
Speaker 1: contact to eighteen inches away from Jamal Cruise West Stephen Bauden.
Speaker 1: He said yes, but I didn't see him shoot the gun.
Speaker 1: It's kind of a confusing testimony. You don't see stuff
Speaker 1: and do it, but you also claim you did not
Speaker 1: see Terrell outside. You don't know who Terrell is. The
Speaker 1: only time he saw Terrell was at trial. So if
Speaker 1: Rochim had never seen Terrell and the shot was made
Speaker 1: from near contact to eighteen inches away, it is impossible
Speaker 1: that Terrell was the shooter. Nevertheless, the incentivized witness, the
Speaker 1: muddy DNA report, and of course the testimony of Detective
Speaker 1: Matracia were too much to overcome, and Terrell was sent
Speaker 1: to two life sentences plus thirty years. This is a
Speaker 1: free call from an inmate at maximum security facility. Thank
Speaker 1: you for using Securist. You may start the conversation now, Okay.
Speaker 1: The investigators in your case, Terrell, it was Detective Attracia
Speaker 1: and Detective Angelo. Right. Test A Will was the he
Speaker 1: was the leader of the case. Nasasha was the one
Speaker 1: that lied about Jamal, saying it was me at the
Speaker 1: show up. So what I was told was this from
Speaker 1: a lot of lawyers, and they all gave me the
Speaker 1: same answer. Y'all are in this situation. They tend this
Speaker 1: on you. It's because you asked for your lawyer. I
Speaker 1: asked for my way, that's my right. They said, yeah,
Speaker 1: but you didn't tell them what they wanted in here,
Speaker 1: and they threw it on you. Jamal ain't hire so
Speaker 1: you could put any words in that man's mouth you want,
Speaker 1: because you can't put him on a stand across examine him.
Speaker 1: So what the cops do. They go on the stand
Speaker 1: and they think no, they know. They know that the
Speaker 1: jury looked at them as superheroes. The jury don't think
Speaker 1: that the cops are gonna go on to stand alive,
Speaker 1: and that's what they did, and Jamal ain't here. Now
Speaker 1: this is before this even going on with George Floyd.
Speaker 1: This wasn't like two thousand and two, two thousand and thirteen,
Speaker 1: so around that time that climate was like, oh hope,
Speaker 1: what we ain't gonna lie on this kid to rally.
Speaker 1: You've gone through this um insane nightmare. Everything that could
Speaker 1: go wrong has gone wrong so far. But then comes
Speaker 1: the moment where the jury goes out and they come
Speaker 1: back in. Did you think that they were going to
Speaker 1: find you innocent? Tell us about that moment. They gave
Speaker 1: me down an elevator to the coal room. They can
Speaker 1: just feel like the tension in the court room and
Speaker 1: the jail will come in. Their faces are funny. They
Speaker 1: said I was guilty, and then everybody, just my family,
Speaker 1: everybody was just like, now he's innocent, Like they just
Speaker 1: went crazy. I'm just sitting there like and shocked, I
Speaker 1: mean shocked. Everybody's standing up. I'm the only one sitting
Speaker 1: down and we got me out of the chance as
Speaker 1: I've seen Detective Angelo last it. So I said, yo,
Speaker 1: what do you think this is funny? They just looked
Speaker 1: at me, and I looked at the mall's family and
Speaker 1: I turned AROUNDTOI and I said, I didn't do this
Speaker 1: to your son. I promise you. I promise you. I
Speaker 1: did not do this to your son. I did not
Speaker 1: do this. They didn't get justice for your son. They're
Speaker 1: lying to you, and they're just looking at me like
Speaker 1: in a shock. Everyone's going crazy. So learn that commotion.
Speaker 1: I've seen the prosecutor like hug the brother like like
Speaker 1: they want a Super Bowl snack in his back, like yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we got him. I'm just looking at him like you're
Speaker 1: lying into this family like this is a big large
Speaker 1: You just found an innocent kid guilty for a time again.
Speaker 1: Do they just want to pick previction? I know they
Speaker 1: know why didn't do it because the prosecutors, you know
Speaker 1: when you see bogus charges, but you still go forward
Speaker 1: with it because you want a previction. They don't change
Speaker 1: you anything. Yeah, they're thinking about their future, their aspirations,
Speaker 1: the way they can be successful, and they know that's
Speaker 1: by having a good conviction rate by and large. But
Speaker 1: It's like it's some sort of six scoreboard, and they're
Speaker 1: decent oscars out there. There's some really good ones too.
Speaker 1: But the ones that are willing to ignore evidence of
Speaker 1: innocence and prosecute clearly bogus cases like yours just to
Speaker 1: get another notch on their bell, just to move up
Speaker 1: the ladder, are there a disgrace and they're actually a
Speaker 1: menace to public safety that the family to make this family? Yeah,
Speaker 1: what are you saying? You know? And as if this
Speaker 1: case couldn't get worse or weirder. Stephen Boden put out
Speaker 1: a song. I guess he was trying to rid himself
Speaker 1: of the guilt of skating on the murder rap and
Speaker 1: allowing his friend to rotten prison right. He wrote this
Speaker 1: song called Letter to Terrell. It's really more of a
Speaker 1: guilt trip, saying things like we should have never went
Speaker 1: out to the club that night. It's painful that you're
Speaker 1: in that cell. It's painful on my mother, and I'm
Speaker 1: sorry that you win. That GM is prettful my mother.
Speaker 1: But I think about you every day and night. How
Speaker 1: is he out? And Terrell's in prison? Steven Boden is
Speaker 1: now dead. He was shot in a in a car
Speaker 1: shooting in two thousand and seventeen. It's just it's too much.
Speaker 1: I mean, um, the good news is he's the only
Speaker 1: good news here I guess is that he's got a
Speaker 1: fantastic team. Now we've got some momentum. Can you talk
Speaker 1: about that new evidence, talk about his new lawyer and
Speaker 1: what lays ahead. The original theory was if you hold
Speaker 1: a gun straight out in front of you, the GSR
Speaker 1: or gunshot residue will fly back and hit the chest area,
Speaker 1: as I mentioned before. However, Bob Kando, Terrell's newer attorney,
Speaker 1: went ahead and looked at the trajectory of the bullets,
Speaker 1: and he had a couple of questions about where the
Speaker 1: shot was actually made from. How is it possible that
Speaker 1: Rokim didn't see the shooter. How is it possible that
Speaker 1: if Jamal gave a dying declaration, that he gave it
Speaker 1: to the wrong person. And how is it possible that,
Speaker 1: if Stephan is the real shooter, we find only lead
Speaker 1: on him. Where are the other particles of gs are?
Speaker 1: So Bob Candle goes ahead and puts in a request
Speaker 1: for other areas of Boden's clothing to be analyzed. Including
Speaker 1: his crotch and belt area. Lo and behold, they come
Speaker 1: back with more particles of GSR, which ends up being
Speaker 1: huge news. Putting together trajectory of the bullets. Putting together
Speaker 1: gs R, Stephen Boden actually took the shots from right
Speaker 1: next to his belt. He actually did not hold the
Speaker 1: gun straight ahead, So if that were to happen, someone
Speaker 1: who's extremely intoxicated wouldn't be able to see the gun.
Speaker 1: And when I actually end up speaking to Rokim later,
Speaker 1: if I said, well, you know, the new evidence really
Speaker 1: says that the gun was next to him he was sponsor,
Speaker 1: he goes, oh, that might explain it. So that might
Speaker 1: explain why Rochim didn't see that stuff and shot him.
Speaker 1: So that's very exciting. And with this new evidence, with
Speaker 1: the new affidavit that we have written, new eyewitnesses who
Speaker 1: are coming forward, family members of Stephen Boden who are
Speaker 1: coming forward and saying, I know Stephen did it. He
Speaker 1: told me multiple times. We are taking all of this
Speaker 1: and and Bob is pushing for a hearing in September
Speaker 1: with a motion for a new trial, and we're hoping
Speaker 1: that we can get Tarrell home very soon. And that
Speaker 1: leads to what happens now and what can people do.
Speaker 1: A mini documentary came out about Terrell Barrows. Please check
Speaker 1: it out. The title of it is on YouTube. It's
Speaker 1: called Making an Agony Dash the Story of Terrell Barrows.
Speaker 1: And then that you'll really see everything that we outlined
Speaker 1: throughout this entire podcast um as well as getting to
Speaker 1: hear from people who heard from stuff in himself that
Speaker 1: he did it. And then there's also a change dot
Speaker 1: org petition that sends a letter to the governor who
Speaker 1: has been pretty vocal about you know, the BLM movement
Speaker 1: and everything that's happening right now. So we're hoping that
Speaker 1: shall also hop onto this change dot org slash free
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Speaker 1: out there. We can win this. So now this is
Speaker 1: the part where I get to thank our guests in
Speaker 1: this case and or Jenna Handy, thank you for being here,
Speaker 1: and of course Terrell Barrows. We're here for you. I'm
Speaker 1: going to fight for you, and thank you as well
Speaker 1: for sharing your thoughts with us. Now I'm going to
Speaker 1: turn off my microphone, picked back in my chair and
Speaker 1: let Georgena Handy share her final thoughts in the segment
Speaker 1: we call closing arguments. Terrell is an amazing man. I
Speaker 1: could go on and on about who he is as
Speaker 1: a person, the character that he has in the change
Speaker 1: that he will make when he is brought home. And
Speaker 1: it has been such an honor to be in his life,
Speaker 1: to be in his mother's life, to be in his
Speaker 1: attorney's life, and I'm hoping that we can prove Terrell's
Speaker 1: innocence and bring him home to his mom, to his family,
Speaker 1: into society where he belongs and where I am one
Speaker 1: thousand percent sure that he was going to make a difference.
Speaker 1: This is not the end and it's definitely not the beginning.
Speaker 1: This you know, story with Terrell has happened many times
Speaker 1: in the past and unfortunately will continue to happen unless
Speaker 1: people like me, like you Jason, come together and bring
Speaker 1: Terrell home. And now UM over to you, Terrell. Um again,
Speaker 1: thank you for being here, and thank you for your
Speaker 1: courage and your spirit Um hanging there. We're all out
Speaker 1: here rooting for you and more importantly fighting for you.
Speaker 1: So now over to you for closing arguments. I just
Speaker 1: want to thank everybody for listening, and I want to
Speaker 1: start off thinking Jason from forgive me this platform to
Speaker 1: explain my situation. We need people like Jason, Mark Howard,
Speaker 1: Marty Tank, with the Georgetown students, the genre, Leo Caroline,
Speaker 1: they are fighting so hard for me. My attorney or
Speaker 1: Robert Kendell. Just want to thank him for being there
Speaker 1: for me and really really fighting for me because he
Speaker 1: knows I'm really innocent. You know. I also got to
Speaker 1: think the two main women of my wife, my mother,
Speaker 1: and we shall um it wasn't for and we shall
Speaker 1: reaching over to Mark how with that, none of this
Speaker 1: right now, this interview, the documentary, the petition, none of
Speaker 1: this would be going on right now because for her,
Speaker 1: I want to thank my mother for always being there
Speaker 1: for me. Her stress is where I get it from.
Speaker 1: Well right here, I'm innocent, and she told me to fight, fight,
Speaker 1: fight until I get my freedom. I'm gonna post convincing
Speaker 1: avant coming up, and I'm fighting for a new child,
Speaker 1: and I'm fighting for freedom. I need your help. I
Speaker 1: just need as most people to sign this petition. You
Speaker 1: have one minute left. I spread the word. We need allies.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of us in here that are voiceless,
Speaker 1: and I am blessed to have the family. I have
Speaker 1: to have this voice to speak because it's given me
Speaker 1: a platform to speak for the voices in this present.
Speaker 1: I feel like people applying my life for a reason.
Speaker 1: I know that I'm going to get out of jail
Speaker 1: and I gotta fight on the fight line for people
Speaker 1: are innocent present because it has to stop. These possibly
Speaker 1: to be held a honable. They're not just killing us
Speaker 1: in the streets, they're killing us in these courts and
Speaker 1: there's no consequences when they thought they need to be accomplished.
Speaker 1: Too many people in prison system what their life took
Speaker 1: me for though they didn't. It has to stop. Don't
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