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Speaker 1: Welcome in everybody to betting pros. It's time to place

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Speaker 1: your bets. It is meet Joey Pa joe pis Apa

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Speaker 1: and today we're going to take a look at MLS.

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Speaker 1: That's right, there's soccer on this side of the pond too.

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Speaker 1: We're going to talk a little how to and also

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Speaker 1: what the season's shaping up like with our good friend

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Speaker 1: Ty Roder. You can follow tie over on the Twitter

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Speaker 1: machine at soccer djen and check out his YouTube channel

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Speaker 1: because it's great. They're doing all kinds of MLS content.

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Speaker 1: It's the MLS Gambling Podcast. That's easy to remember.

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Speaker 2: Ty.

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Speaker 1: I want to welcome to you to the show. And I've

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Speaker 1: heard a lot recently about MLS being one of these

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Speaker 1: things that some of these houses are really kind of

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Speaker 1: putting out there in a very easy way for people

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Speaker 1: to wager and very favorable lines. Because it's a much

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Speaker 1: smaller market than say NFL obviously, or even NBA and

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Speaker 1: some of the other major sports, and that kind of

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Speaker 1: makes it an interesting market for us to start to

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Speaker 1: look at. Have you noticed that same thing in recent

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Speaker 1: years that the books are a little bit more lenient

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Speaker 1: and MLS is something people can really jump into maybe

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Speaker 1: an easier path than they realize.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, hey, Joe, thanks for having me too, one hundred percent.

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Speaker 3: I would mirror MLS. For those of you who are familiar,

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Speaker 3: probably with English Premier League, the Bundesliga, La Liga. Overseas,

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Speaker 3: the books are typically pretty sharp on the larger leagues

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Speaker 3: over in Europe, but I would mirror MLS to say,

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Speaker 3: some some Sweden leagues, Norwegian leagues, maybe some Chinese leagues,

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Speaker 3: in the sense that a lot of the books don't

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Speaker 3: know what they're doing when it comes to some of

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Speaker 3: these lines they're they're typically way off and there's a

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Speaker 3: lot of room to capitalize in the in that major

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Speaker 3: league soccer market, not just in the US, but I think,

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Speaker 3: you know, as you start to get a little bit

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Speaker 3: more of a handle on soccer as a whole, you

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Speaker 3: can start to look at other leagues because, like I'm

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Speaker 3: sure you're all aware of, soccer is a global sport

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Speaker 3: and the good thing is on like football, basketball, I

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Speaker 3: would assume you, Joe, maybe you're you're betting some USFL

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Speaker 3: or or XFL. With soccer, there's always a couple I

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Speaker 3: would say, five to ten leagues going on around the

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Speaker 3: world that you can actively bet, which other sports you

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Speaker 3: can't unless you're betting you know, France basketball, stuff like that.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, and of course if you're going to look

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Speaker 1: And let's talk about some of those opportunities here that

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Speaker 1: we keep seeing for MLS. Are you somebody that likes

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Speaker 1: to hit the money lines, put a couple things together

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Speaker 1: in parlays, you're looking for individual over under games. How

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Speaker 1: do you kind of approach the big board on a

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Speaker 1: daily basis when it comes to Major League Soccer in

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Speaker 1: the US?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, great question.

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Speaker 3: The biggest thing I would say, you know, it might

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Speaker 3: sound overly simplistic.

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Speaker 2: Home teams home teams as were.

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Speaker 3: It's I would say outside of the LA LAFC and

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Speaker 3: FC Cincinnati right now in the East, LAFC are on

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Speaker 3: the West, more than likely you will get very decent

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Speaker 3: big variance when it comes to variables. But more times

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Speaker 3: than not, soccer is an extremely difficult sport, not only

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Speaker 3: to wager but to play. Uh. And so sometimes if

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Speaker 3: you get these high, high favorites that you'll see the

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Speaker 3: money line for taking the opposing team, whether they're home

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Speaker 3: I specifically like to play double chance. That's kind of

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Speaker 2: You don't You don't always make.

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Speaker 3: The largest you don't always take the largest winnings when

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Speaker 3: you do double chance, but it ensures your winning right

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Speaker 3: bankroll management's big. Building up your bankroll is really crucial.

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Speaker 3: And so I would love to explain kind of what

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Speaker 3: long as the team you select wins or ties, you

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Speaker 2: So so with.

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Speaker 1: The double chance, I guess what you're talking about too,

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Speaker 2: Of the three outcomes ultimately wins you money.

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Speaker 3: And yes you're not getting as good of odds, but

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Speaker 3: Even in MLS, I would say double chance is a

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Speaker 3: It demolists outside of those two teams, and we could

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Speaker 1: Right And it's interesting you said about the home road

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Speaker 1: correct score wagers a very popular one too with some

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Speaker 1: and you'll see we just did a correct score wager bet.

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Speaker 1: And how too, it's also betting on corners. There's a

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Speaker 2: Think you hit the nail on the head.

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Speaker 3: Corners and cards is a bit of a conundrum when

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Speaker 3: though typically obviously high scoring teams have more corners, low

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Speaker 3: It does occur, but it's sometimes hard to call. I

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Speaker 3: If it's a high scoring team like l AFC, like Atlanta,

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Speaker 3: more dangerous or that? What's that more dangerous than if

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Speaker 3: you have those high scoring teams? Obviously way more dangerous

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Speaker 3: because yes, you may call like a three to one victory,

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Speaker 1: about some of the stuff going on in MLS too.

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Speaker 1: In terms of where we're at in the conferences right now.

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Speaker 1: Obviously you've got in the East, you've got Cincinnati and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Cincinnati very good, will probably be continued to be good.

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Speaker 1: And now on the West, you've already mentioned LAFC a

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Speaker 2: It does it? Never? It never stops.

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Speaker 3: I believe he leads the league in goal scorer right there,

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Speaker 3: I would be extremely shocked if LAFC did not win

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Speaker 1: That was the question I was going to ask you

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Speaker 1: do you think this two eighty is something you lock

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Speaker 3: Although I talked about you know, a lot of a

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure exactly what the Union are at right now,

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Speaker 3: primarily because I don't think they have enough goal scoring

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