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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Shawn Combs, Diddy's TUTSI role

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Speaker 1: revealed as Cassie Ventira on cross examination all day.

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Speaker 2: I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being.

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Speaker 3: With us, black Eyes, bat Lists, mouthsreds many UTI's she

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Speaker 3: was expected to go through with these freakoffs, and I

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Speaker 3: think many of us watching here all feel the same way.

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Speaker 2: I mean justice for Cassie.

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Speaker 1: Nancy joining us at the courthouse, having sat through testimony

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Speaker 1: all day. Investigative reporter co host Pop Crime TV Lauren Colin, Lauren,

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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. I cannot believe Lauren

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Speaker 1: Colin that one of the questions that was solicited testimony

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Speaker 1: from Cassie on cross exam was where Shawn comes Diddy

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Speaker 1: actually claims that hotel beat.

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Speaker 2: Down of Cassie Ventura his career.

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Speaker 1: That's their takeaway from him beating her to an answer

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Speaker 1: for life that Hey, didn't you know this is going

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Speaker 1: to ruin his career?

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Speaker 2: Seriously?

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Speaker 4: Yes.

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Speaker 5: The defense kind of honed in on the fact of

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Speaker 5: her her lawsuit as well her twenty twenty three lawsuit.

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Speaker 5: They asked her on the stand, well, what do you

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Speaker 5: think happened to Sean Palms's career after you filed this lawsuit.

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Speaker 5: There were some objections, but initially Cassie had to testify that, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: it didn't help, but that was a pretty incredible moment. Nancy, whoa, whoa, wha.

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Speaker 1: Why woa why you mean the state did not stand

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Speaker 1: up that moment and object the answering what's wrong with them?

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Speaker 5: Well, they objected, and then the defense had to rephrase

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Speaker 5: the question a few times. And it seems like that's

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Speaker 5: happening a lot here. It's state of mind versus that

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Speaker 5: seems to be the theme. So there are a lot

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Speaker 5: of objections, a lot of sidebars over this evidence, specifically

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Speaker 5: the evidence of text messages and emails.

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Speaker 2: Oh my stars.

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Speaker 1: In just a moment, I'm going to go to high

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Speaker 1: profile larrior Greg Morse, because if you want to be

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Speaker 1: a trial lawyer, you've got to be like a gunslinger

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Speaker 1: and the Wild West and have split second timing, because

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Speaker 1: you have to object the minute that question comes out

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Speaker 1: of the other side's mouth before your witness can answer.

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Speaker 1: That's the whole point, you know, let the answer start

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Speaker 1: and let the questions sink into the jury. No, oh,

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Speaker 1: they're slow on the draw, Okay, give me the highlights

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Speaker 1: of what's happening with Cassie material on the stand.

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Speaker 5: Yes, Cassy event Tura during cross examination. I feel like

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Speaker 5: the defense is being gentle. She's being cross examined by

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Speaker 5: one of Diddy's attorneys, Anna Estavea, And when I say

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Speaker 5: that she's being gentle, they actually are sharing a few

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Speaker 5: laugh on the stand when Cassie saw a two thousand

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Speaker 5: and seven email that she wrote Diddy. But essentially what

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Speaker 5: we're seeing our emails of Cassie saying that she would

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Speaker 5: do a freak off at any point with him, and

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Speaker 5: these emails are coming in about two and a half

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Speaker 5: years after their relationship. There's also talk about how she

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Speaker 5: would quote travel anywhere for him, do anything for him. Again,

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Speaker 5: about two years into their relationship, when she testified during

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Speaker 5: direct that she was being abused during this time and

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Speaker 5: she didn't want to do freak offs. Additionally, during direct

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Speaker 5: she testified that she would be forced to do these

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Speaker 5: freakofts during her period. Well, the defense showed us text

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Speaker 5: messages today about did Hey asking her about when her

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Speaker 5: period was for the purpose of fo planning. Additionally, they

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Speaker 5: are showing pictures of Cassie texting Diddy getting off jets

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Speaker 5: after an fo weekend, saying I had a great.

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Speaker 1: Time hold on back it at just a minute, Lauren

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Speaker 1: Collin joining me for the courthouse. So there were tech

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Speaker 1: shown to the jury where Shawn Comb's definite Shawn Combs

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Speaker 1: asked Lauren asked Cassie about her period as it relates

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Speaker 1: to planning freak offs. At any point in those texts,

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Speaker 1: a freak off that week.

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Speaker 2: Did that happen?

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Speaker 5: She did not say no, we won't have a freak off,

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Speaker 5: But Cassie's response was that she was going to miss

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Speaker 5: her period that month.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So I'm curious about what the state's going to

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Speaker 1: do with that because they left it hanging. He's not

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Speaker 1: offering not to have a freak off during her period.

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Speaker 2: How do I know he didn't plan the.

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Speaker 1: Freak off specifically because she was having a period.

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Speaker 1: After all, I've heard that's possible. Okay, back to you, Lauren,

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Speaker 1: what else happened?

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Speaker 5: So I want to tell you also what seems to

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Speaker 5: prove is Shawn Holmes's alleged opioid ad They are asking Cassie,

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Speaker 5: In my opinion, they are really pushing this that you know,

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Speaker 1: Okay, what I guess they're forgetting with all that legal

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Speaker 1: power on the defense team is that drugs and alcohol,

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Speaker 1: voluntary use with drugs for alcohol are never a defense. Okay,

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Speaker 1: back to what she is saying on the stand. Tell

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Speaker 1: me how she's looked on the stand so far on

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Speaker 5: Well, like like that the said she shared some laughs

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Speaker 5: a half months pregnant, and you know she's she's very calm,

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Speaker 5: her demeanor is poised, and Anna Savea has even said

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Speaker 5: to Cassie, look, because again, Nancy, we have heard and

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Speaker 5: seen some very explicit text messages and emails from Ditty

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Speaker 5: and Cassie to each other, and Svea is saying, look,

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Speaker 5: if you don't want to read these, you don't have to.

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Speaker 5: And Nancy, they are very graphic. We're hearing a lot

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Speaker 5: that maybe I did not need to hear. Additionally, Cassie

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Speaker 5: feeled about freak offs. But in this particular paragraph or email,

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Speaker 5: she's saying, look, I don't know if I want to

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Speaker 5: do it because I feel like that's all I'm good for.

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Speaker 5: So the defense is showing us that, hey, Cassie, you

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Speaker 5: it's you know, again, it's early, and I feel like

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Speaker 5: the cross examination is going to last about two days now.

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Speaker 1: I understand that at Combs's lawyer is seemingly suggesting that

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Speaker 1: the freak coughs that he kind of forced her to

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Speaker 1: participate and we're simply part of a swinger lifestyle. But

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Speaker 1: Ventura is pretty strong on the stand, stating that a

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Speaker 1: swinger lifestyle is very different than forcing her to be

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Speaker 1: in freak Costs practically every week of their multi year relationship.

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Speaker 5: Yes, and Cassie testified yesterday also that she didn't want

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Speaker 5: to be a swinger because she didn't really want to

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Speaker 5: see Holmes with another woman. However, today we saw a

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Speaker 5: message exchange from Cassie to Diddy where she said that

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Speaker 5: and we're actually we're seeing a lot of that, a

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Speaker 1: Okay, you know, a close look at the law will

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Speaker 1: I'm really curious about the free coughs and about them

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Speaker 1: pressing Cassie Ventira on the stand on cross examination about

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Speaker 1: the lawsuit, as if the lawsuit was all her fault,

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Speaker 1: that there was no basis to the lawsuit how did

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Speaker 1: Cassie Ventira hold up when they were grilling her about

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Speaker 1: the lawsuit, the twenty million dollar lawsuit.

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Speaker 2: Like I said, she was great.

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Speaker 5: She seemed unphased, unaffected, poised, and she you know, she

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Speaker 5: admitted after Siveya had to rephrase the question a few

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Speaker 5: times that yeah, the lawsuit that she filed did not

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Speaker 1: And isn't it true Lauren Colin that in one email

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Speaker 1: they presented to her on cross examination, she was very,

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Speaker 1: very young, and she was describing how grateful she was

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Speaker 2: And she started laughing. She goes, yeah, I was really young, man.

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Speaker 5: Yes, absolutely, But she also pointed out that during the

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Speaker 5: she was successful in her own right with modeling, and

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Speaker 5: she was dating a man named Ryan Leslie who was

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Speaker 5: a music producer who helped her out a lot, and

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Speaker 5: he was actually the one that introduced her to Diddy. Now,

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Speaker 5: the defense, you know, they made a point to say, well,

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Speaker 5: miss Ventura, wasn't Ryan Leslie ten years older than you?

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Speaker 5: Because Cassie did say on the stand numerous times Shawn

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Speaker 5: Holmes is seventeen years older than her. She you know,

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Speaker 5: alluded to the fact that she was taken advantage of.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, they had to point out, while you've dated

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Speaker 1: Crime Stores with Nancy Grace, in addition to Lauren Colin

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Speaker 1: joining us at the courthouse and Sydney Sumner also covering

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Speaker 1: the trials straight out to doctor Bethany Marshall joining us,

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Speaker 1: renown psychoanalysts out of la author of deal Breakers. You

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Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Bethany Marshall having worked with

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Speaker 1: battered women for decades, including on the hotline at the

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Speaker 1: Battered Women's Center and representing them in court once.

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Speaker 2: The case turned into a felony.

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Speaker 1: Very often female victims are full of contradictions. For instance,

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Speaker 1: they try to go along with what the abuser wants

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Speaker 1: them to do. They play along, They don't tell their

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Speaker 2: They act like they are amenable to much of the abuse.

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Speaker 2: But there are reasons for that, and it's really hard

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Speaker 2: to understand it. Explain well.

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Speaker 6: What I hear in the testimony this morning is that

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Speaker 2: Trying to hang on to the love.

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Speaker 6: She doesn't realize she's being sex trafficked, and that at

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Speaker 6: first she doesn't, so all of his malevolence, his antagonism,

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Speaker 6: his abuse really makes her double down and want his

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Speaker 6: love even more. And research shows that the more tenuous

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Speaker 2: The loved object. So I hear her just.

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Speaker 6: Placating him and fending off abuse and trying to make

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Speaker 6: sure that she's in his good graces because she's harboring

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Speaker 6: the illusion that she might be important to him someday

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Speaker 1: In addition to doctor Bethony Marshall, special guest Rob Shooter,

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Speaker 1: hosts of Naughty but Nice podcast, former publicist to Sean Combs,

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Speaker 1: and author of the.

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Speaker 2: Four Word Answer.

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Speaker 1: You know him very well and saw many of his

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Speaker 1: mood swings. And that's certainly euphemistic putting perfume on the

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Speaker 1: pig there.

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Speaker 2: Did you ever see the bad side of Diddy?

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Speaker 7: I saw the bad side of Diddy. I saw a

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Speaker 7: grumpy and angry, aggressive side of Diddy. I didn't see

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Speaker 7: a side of Diddy that I'm seeing right now. Though

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Speaker 7: on in this trial is horrifying, the details, the texts,

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Speaker 7: the intimate conversations. But I did see, let me say, Nancy,

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Speaker 7: I saw a really good side of Diddy. And that's

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Speaker 2: You know what, Rubs here?

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Speaker 1: You know, help me verbalize this, doctor Bethony Marshall.

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Speaker 6: Okay, the criteria for sociopathy. One of the criteria is

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Speaker 2: Them, they become vicious.

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Speaker 1: You know, I was analyzing what she was saying on

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Speaker 2: The day and it ain't over yet.

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Speaker 1: She talks about unpredictable behavior of Sean Comb's, how he

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Speaker 7: No, I believe every word that she's saying. But I

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Speaker 1: His lawyers, Oh, haven't you heard the shrink explain why battered.

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Speaker 1: But you know what, I got to hit a tea shooter,

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Speaker 2: I sometimes look at the woman thinking, couldn't you just leave?

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Speaker 1: But it's so much more complicated, rob Okay, go ahead, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 7: And let's hope the jury understands this.

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Speaker 7: You might understand it. I might understand it. Your audience

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Speaker 7: might understand it. But all that matters are those twelve

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Speaker 7: If they can do that, he might get off.

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Speaker 1: She would be drugged in order to perform the freak offs.

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Speaker 5: We are learning about what a vile human did. He

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Speaker 5: is as if we didn't already know. She did break

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Speaker 2: Vile.

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Speaker 1: Yes, but he's not here trying to be crowned miscongeniality. Okay,

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Speaker 1: this is a felony, multi count indictment by the Feds,

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking about the actual charges here, and he's not

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Speaker 1: if part of that is by plan. You just heard

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Speaker 2: Those issues could linger. But what they're going for the gold, the.

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Speaker 1: Gold right is the sex trafficking and the reco charges,

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Speaker 2: Are the meat of this indictment.

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Speaker 1: Those charges carry the biggest penalties, and all the state

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Speaker 2: That illegal activity could.

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Speaker 1: Be as simple as transporting sex workers across state lines.

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Speaker 2: For a free cough.

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Speaker 1: It could be paying them for illegal activity, any of

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Speaker 2: They can hardly look at it.

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Speaker 2: It's so bad that the.

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Speaker 1: Monitor they have individual monitors like you have on an airplane, right,

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Speaker 1: Cassie Ventura, it's that bad. Question is can they prove

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Speaker 8: Well, I mean rico is used because it makes the

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Speaker 2: That's why they use it.

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Speaker 8: You're responsible for other people's Actually why the conspiracies there?

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Speaker 2: Got sour greats? I asked, Can they prove it?

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Speaker 7: No?

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Speaker 8: No, so ur Greats, not at all.

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Speaker 1: This is easy when you're sitting across the courtroom full

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Speaker 2: That's never easy. You're being tried and I don't like it. No,

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Speaker 8: But what you have here is a domestic violent situation

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Speaker 8: that the federal government bootstrapped into this ridiculous sex trafficking case.

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Speaker 8: It is very easy for them to prove because if

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Speaker 8: very easy element that's already been proven this morning. However,

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Speaker 1: Actually, we may not starting to lose the respect I

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Speaker 1: had for you as an adversary.

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Speaker 2: You're a great defense lawyer. You're great in the courtroom,

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Speaker 1: But to say to Lynshaw joining me, founder director Lynn's

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Speaker 1: Warriors Dedicated it's a nonprofit to ending sex trafficking and

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Speaker 1: abuse of girls and women, to say, oh, you put

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Speaker 1: the relationship. That's not what this case is about her

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Speaker 9: Well, Nancy, we're witnessing right now, right now on your program,

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Speaker 9: how the justice system looks at victims. Cassie has been groomed.

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Speaker 9: Can't anybody understand what this is? She was nineteen, okay,

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Speaker 9: so that's legally an adult, But you see the years

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Speaker 9: I am tired. We stand next to victims and survivors

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Speaker 9: all the time, and the courts don't understand. Lawyers, I'm sorry,

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Speaker 9: with all due respect, do not understand sex trafficking. Yes,

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Speaker 9: It's twenty twenty five not understanding the process of these

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Speaker 9: Dirty ditty is going down and we're laying out for

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Speaker 2: Right here.

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Speaker 1: Joining me is Sidney Sumner on the case from the

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Speaker 1: very very beginning, monitor every single thing that's happening in

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Speaker 1: of Sean comes, is to see role emerging another alleged

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Speaker 4: Well, Nancy, According to this victim, on her force outing

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Speaker 4: They had spent a few nights out together, but on

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Speaker 4: She wanted to go home and he said, no, I

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Speaker 4: come up with me. He pinned her to a bed,

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Speaker 4: So she is comparing Colmb's penis to a Tootsie role

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Speaker 1: Okay Rob Shooter testimony aside there's really no coming back

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Speaker 7: For Diddy, there's no way that they're coming back from that.

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Speaker 7: And I would guess this is a detail. It's scandalous

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Speaker 7: and we're talking about it. But this is a really

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Speaker 7: important detail and it's very very easy to be proven.

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Speaker 7: Let's see, let's see that.

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Speaker 1: Rob Shooter, are you crazy, We'll see a we're talking

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Speaker 2: You actually think.

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Speaker 1: The federal prosecutors are going to prove that there's an

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Speaker 2: There's more of a Tootsie roll than a nobody's going

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Speaker 7: Well, she they can prove that she can describe Diddi's penis,

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Speaker 7: then that's a really important point for her to make.

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Speaker 7: And so I know they did this in the Michael

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Speaker 1: Okay, shooter, you actually made a legal point. You may

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Speaker 1: broach the subject of eaty BD Diddy being in Diddy's pants. Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's a whole another can of worms, and as is

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Speaker 1: so often when you're trying a case, you learn a

441
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Speaker 1: lot more information than you ever wanted to. Now, that's

442
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Speaker 1: kind of funny, right right, Edy BD Diddy the TPSIE

443
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Speaker 1: roll in Diddy's pants, But hold on, not that funny.

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Speaker 10: Listen discussing their breakup, comes to to lunch and had

445
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Speaker 10: a deep conversation that brought a sense of closure. But

446
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Speaker 10: when Combs dropped her off at home, he pinned her

447
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 10: down and raped her. Says she doesn't believe Combs even

448
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:13,880
Speaker 10: noticed her crying and telling him no. After ejaculating inside her,

449
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Speaker 10: Cassie says, Combs calmly got up and.

450
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Speaker 2: Left Bethony Marshall shooter.

451
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Speaker 1: Hot. He's marking the LA story about Sean Combs's TTSI role.

452
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Speaker 1: But did you hear what came out on the stand

453
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Speaker 1: with Cassie Ventura under oath that when they had a

454
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Speaker 1: lunch to rehash this is why we're breaking up, he

455
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Speaker 1: takes her back, and, according to her, rapes her, and

456
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Speaker 1: then gets up and walks out without a word.

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Speaker 6: This is just one more iteration of what he did

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Speaker 6: throughout their entire relationship. Anytime she tried to develop herself away.

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Speaker 9: From him or establish her own life, he.

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Speaker 6: Would send his goonies over. He would break into her

461
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Speaker 6: door at the middle of the night. He would rape her.

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Speaker 6: He would watch other men rape her. He would debase her.

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Speaker 6: The fact that somebody has pointed out that there's a

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Speaker 6: little bitty Diddy Diddy inside of Diddy's pants. I think

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Speaker 6: that's an interesting twist, because he has debased so many

466
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Speaker 6: men and women. The fact that somebody could actually debase

467
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Speaker 6: him with reality, it sounds like he was actually not

468
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Speaker 6: that well endowed. I think it's kind of a fair turnaround.

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Speaker 1: As this entire trial is throughout the day, a legend victim,

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Speaker 1: Cassie Ventura on the stand now on cross examination by

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Speaker 1: Shawn comes ten million dollar defense team.

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Speaker 2: By all accounts, she's holding up really well.

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Speaker 1: Now the defense is trying their best to make a

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Speaker 1: lot of points, scoring points on heavily pregnant Cassie Ventura,

475
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Speaker 1: but can anything.

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Speaker 2: The defense says erase this mental picture.

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Speaker 1: Rollet look at Cassie Ventior holding up her little left

478
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Speaker 1: hand trying to protect herself, cowering in the corner, holding

479
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Speaker 1: up her hand trying to stop Combs from beating her.

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Speaker 2: Further, look at that him walking by.

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Speaker 1: Like he's the king of the Innercontinental as she cowers

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Speaker 1: in the corner holding her head where he's already kicked

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Speaker 1: her in the head, and then holding up her left hand,

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Speaker 1: that pitiful little left hand.

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Speaker 2: To try to fight him off.

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Speaker 1: Immediately after that, we see still photos of where he

487
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Speaker 1: throws a vase at her, the shattered shards on the floor.

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Speaker 2: He aimed at her when.

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Speaker 1: He threw the dirt on the wall. That's what he

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Speaker 1: threw at her. What if it had hit her to

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Speaker 1: Chris McDonough joining me, director Colka's Foundation, former homicide detective

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Speaker 1: before that in Vice for many many years, star of

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Speaker 1: the Interview Room on YouTube, Chris McDonough frankly, I don't

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Speaker 1: care what they say on Cross. I don't care what

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Speaker 1: they try to elicit from Cassie Ventira. That video tells

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Speaker 1: me that what was happening in the Free Coughs was

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Speaker 1: not something she wanted to do. She did not want

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Speaker 1: to be a part of it, and she was trying

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Speaker 1: to get away from one when he came out beat

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Speaker 1: her and her holding up her little hand trying to

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Speaker 1: fight him off and literally drag her back.

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Speaker 11: Absolutely, Nancy, I mean that video in of itself, she

503
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Speaker 11: shows us the helplessness within this victim. And we now

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00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 11: also know where the p came from and his name

505
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 11: after that emotional urinal testimony. You know, this is about

506
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 11: our dominance and control and did he breaking down people

507
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 11: like a drill instructor using violence and intimidation And once

508
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 11: he gets them right where he wants them, well, then

509
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 11: he can do anything that he wants with his deviant fantasies.

510
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Speaker 11: I mean, look what he's doing here in this particular video.

511
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Speaker 11: She doesn't exist. She is just an instrument of his

512
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Speaker 11: violence and his insecurities. That's what he's doing here.

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Speaker 1: He's a hero, and we know where the defense is

514
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 1: going trying to explain away this video. Listen to me

515
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 1: taking on Mark Gergos about this and Harvey Levin.

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Speaker 12: What they say is that the fight was not over

517
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 12: the freak off. The fight was over a text message

518
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Speaker 12: on did He's phone that Cassie saw involving another woman.

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Speaker 12: So that's what they're laying out.

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Speaker 2: I mean that they as much as said that.

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Speaker 1: Right correct, from our friends at TWOB and more, she

522
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Speaker 1: was getting Ring back into that hotel room for a

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Speaker 1: breakoff and she was trying to.

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Speaker 4: Hold on.

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Speaker 12: That's not what the defense is going to argue. They're

526
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Speaker 12: not going to say it was over a freak off,

527
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 12: right yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean the public filings dispute that.

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Speaker 1: From our friends at TV, they can argue it's not

530
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Speaker 1: a freak off till they're blue in the face. But

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Speaker 1: their theory that she was the aggressor, you're trying to

532
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Speaker 1: let's see the video again. You're trying to tell me

533
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Speaker 1: that ninety pound casts Eventira is beating Sean Comes's bony

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Speaker 1: rear end. No, uh, that is what they're claiming. That

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Speaker 1: she's the bad guy here. She's the aggressor because she

536
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Speaker 1: is angry that she saw text too comes.

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Speaker 2: From another woman, Bethany Marshall.

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Speaker 1: They can argue that until they use up every ounce

539
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Speaker 1: of oxygen in the courtroom, but that don't make it true.

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Speaker 6: It does not make a true Nancy And if anybody

541
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 6: out there knows about domestic violence, what they also know

542
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 6: is that perpetrators always claim that they're being abused by

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Speaker 6: the victim. That's domestic abuse and such trafficking.

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Speaker 2: Were the ones being abused?

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Speaker 6: They always do. Ask police officers who go to domestic

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Speaker 6: violence calls. Once they get there, the purp, usually the

547
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Speaker 6: larger person, often substance abusing, which is what we see here,

548
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 6: usually says oh, she hit me, or.

549
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 7: She this or she that, and the defamiliar is.

550
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Speaker 1: Saying she started it. Yeah, she's right, Ethany. They always

551
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Speaker 1: say she started it, okay, like a.

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Speaker 2: Three year old. He's that being mirrored here.

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Speaker 6: I see that being mirrored here in so many ways

554
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Speaker 6: because he actually, I don't even know how much he

555
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Speaker 6: or the defense is saying this to manipulate the jury.

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Speaker 2: I think in p.

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Speaker 6: Didy's mind, he actually believes she did something to him.

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Speaker 6: That is the kind of psychopathology that we're seeing here.

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Speaker 6: One little detail stands out to me, Nancy, and I

560
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Speaker 6: haven't been able to get it out of my mind.

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Speaker 6: She went to rehab numerous times because she wanted a good, sober,

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Speaker 6: healthy life, and then he readdicted her. She had to

563
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Speaker 6: use substances to get through the freak offs. So this

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Speaker 6: is yet another indication of sex trafficking.

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Speaker 2: This is what John's do. They addict their.

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Speaker 1: Victims crime stories with Nancy Grace to Sidney Summer joining

567
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Speaker 1: me crime story's investigative reporter. It's not just her testimony,

568
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 1: It's not just what she says. Wasn't there a witness

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Speaker 1: that what was going on in the Intercontinental was a

570
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Speaker 1: freak off?

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Speaker 4: Yes, Nancy. The first person on the stand, Israel Flores,

572
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Speaker 4: security guard at the Intercontinental hotel, testified that he saw

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Speaker 4: another man in their hotel room. Now, could not have

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Speaker 4: been unrelated to a freakoff, possibly, but for Tassey to

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Speaker 4: attack comes in front of this other random man, why

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Speaker 4: was he there? Why was he in their room? I

577
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Speaker 4: don't understand how the defense is going to combat that

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00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 4: piece of testimony. And they did try and point out

579
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Speaker 4: on his cross exam that Flora did not mention that

580
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Speaker 4: man in his initial incident report, and Floresa's response was

581
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Speaker 4: that he was not involved in the assault. That was

582
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Speaker 4: his concern what he saw in the hallway. So it'll

583
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Speaker 4: be interesting to see how they try and prove that

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Speaker 4: Cassy was upset over texts and this wasn't a freakoff.

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Speaker 13: Cassie Ventura switches up her appearance for her third day

586
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Speaker 13: on the stand, wearing a tuxedo jacket over a cream

587
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 13: colored blouse. Cassie answers questions softly, almost at a way

588
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Speaker 13: the last two days on the stand, maybe taking a

589
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 13: toll on the pregnant mom. Cassie requesting a ten minute

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Speaker 13: break at just an hour into her cross examination. When

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00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 13: Cassie returns from her break, she clutches a string of

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Speaker 13: beads with a tassel on it as lawyer Anna Estavo

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Speaker 13: continues to ask her about sexually explicit text messages sent

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Speaker 13: to her boyfriend in the early years of their relationship.

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Speaker 5: These freak offs lasted between one and four days.

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Speaker 1: Cassie Ventira choking on a six workers urine.

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Speaker 9: This was a man with seemingly unlimited power and willing

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Speaker 9: to use it to do whatever it takes to get

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Speaker 9: what he wants.

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Speaker 7: What's the truth that I did? A is much much

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Speaker 7: more talk.

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Speaker 1: Cassie Ventira on the stand throughout the day. On cross examination,

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Speaker 1: she held it like a trooper on direct but during

604
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Speaker 1: cross she often broke down in tears. She requested a break,

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Speaker 1: this as the state is pummeling her with questions about

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Speaker 1: the nature of her relationship with Shawn comes pointing out

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Speaker 1: texts where she seems amenable to free coughs.

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Speaker 2: Of course those were in the.

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Speaker 1: Early years when she was very young dating Shawn Colmbs.

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Speaker 2: But this is the harsh reality, back out de veteran trial.

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Speaker 1: Lawyer Greg Morse. To prove a reco racketeering, organized crime,

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Speaker 1: a conspiracy a crime conspiracy case, you have to have

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Speaker 1: an underlying crime. It's like prosecuting the mob if they

614
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,320
Speaker 1: never committed a murder or a theft or money laundering.

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00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 1: Prosecute the gang hanging out at Uncle Pauly's.

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Speaker 2: That's not a crime. There has to be a crime

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Speaker 2: that the.

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Speaker 1: Group comes together, even very loosely, and enables.

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Speaker 2: The group has to enable a crime. What am I

620
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 2: getting at?

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Speaker 1: If the defense can show or prove to the jury

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Speaker 1: that everything that happened was willing and consensual, then there

623
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Speaker 1: is no rape and there is nothing that was done illegally.

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Speaker 2: See what I mean.

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Speaker 1: So everyone keeps saying, this is not about domestic abuse,

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Speaker 1: this is not about a sex attack, This is about

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Speaker 1: rico and sex trafficking. Without the underlying felonies, you don't

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Speaker 1: have a case.

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Speaker 4: Well, You're right, you don't.

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Speaker 8: But in this situation the way it's charged, that could

631
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Speaker 8: be prostitution transporting other sex workers, not Cassie and the rape.

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Speaker 8: So they don't need to prove necessarily just that, you know.

633
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Speaker 8: But you again, I think you proved it in the

634
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Speaker 8: segment you just did. This is a domestic violence situation

635
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Speaker 8: that everybody's bootstrapping into this horrible sex trafficking case.

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Speaker 2: That's just not what this is.

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Speaker 8: This is and but the government doesn't have a hard

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00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:51,760
Speaker 8: time improving that prostitution is still illegal in America, so.

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Speaker 2: They can just use that.

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Speaker 8: I've had the government in white collar cases one hundred

641
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 8: million frauds literally use a stamp to show.

642
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 2: An overt act on money laundering out, so you don't

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Speaker 2: need we speaking of it.

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Speaker 1: Overse You mentioned domestic abuse.

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Speaker 2: You mentioned even if Cassie Ventura.

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Speaker 1: Is believed by the jury, which I don't think they're

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Speaker 1: going to do after that video, that it was all

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Speaker 1: willing and consensual.

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00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 2: When you get to the.

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Speaker 1: Domestic violence and forcing her into the free coughs, she

651
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Speaker 1: states very clearly on the stand that employees of Sean

652
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Speaker 1: Combs knew what was happening and enabled it.

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Speaker 2: There's your Loose Confederation listen.

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Speaker 13: Colmb's assistance were very aware of how Combs treated her,

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Speaker 13: saw her injuries and de Rock, a security guard, was

656
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Speaker 13: once brought to tears by her appearance after a beating.

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Speaker 13: In addition to testimony, security guards took Cassie to a

658
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:57,320
Speaker 13: plastic surgeon for stitches. Combs driver Roger Bonds once physically

659
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 13: caught her as she tried to run from Combs and

660
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:00,919
Speaker 13: were turned her to him.

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00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 1: So Sidney Sumner, they were all in it together, the

662
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 1: bodyguard chasing her down and physically making her come back

663
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 1: to Sean Comb's. Everybody that ordered baby oil lighting booked

664
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Speaker 1: a room called cleanup. Hey, let's see the video of

665
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,800
Speaker 1: cleanup coming after a freak off at the Intercontinental.

666
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 2: They didn't have just a trash bag.

667
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:28,800
Speaker 1: They have to have basically a dumpster that they're going

668
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 1: down and cleaning out.

669
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 2: The room after a freak off.

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00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 1: They were all part of it, Sydney, that is the gang,

671
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Speaker 1: the loose Confederation.

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Speaker 4: Yes, Nancy, it seems like there were many many people,

673
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 4: whether or not unwittingly, participating in setting up these freakoffs.

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Speaker 4: Cassie testified earlier this morning. Tomes was very very secretive

675
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 4: about these freakoffs with his staff. They even wore mats

676
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 4: to conceal their identity. So Prossy says that, yes, assistants

677
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 4: were involved in setting things up. They brought lighting, they

678
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:11,359
Speaker 4: brought baby oil, They followed whatever Comb's requests were up

679
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 4: until the freak off began, and from their homes kept

680
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 4: it a secret what happened in that?

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00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 2: What about it? Greg Morse? Greg Morris, do you wear

682
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 2: a mask? We'll go to work because you don't want

683
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 2: people to know it's you. No, because I did. I

684
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 2: hope it's not a crime if I did.

685
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 8: It's not a crime if I did, though, so you.

686
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,760
Speaker 2: Can have this sex party.

687
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:38,760
Speaker 1: So I don't understand whilest silence.

688
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 2: With the consensual sex party that she says. She literally says,

689
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 2: I didn't tell him much. It was rude head. I

690
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 2: didn't want to shoot her.

691
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Speaker 1: When you were hearing this this testimony, knowing Combs as

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Speaker 1: you did as his former pr guru, do you believe

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Speaker 1: it's possible.

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Speaker 7: I think that it He is guilty. I think this

695
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,760
Speaker 7: video changed everything. I'm in a group text with several

696
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 7: people who have worked with Diddy throughout the years, and

697
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 7: some people in that text. When this first started, what

698
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,280
Speaker 7: a year and a half ago, we were hearing rumors

699
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 7: some people that worked for him, not me, but some

700
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:20,360
Speaker 7: people still believed he was innocent until that video was

701
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 7: released by CNN. That video has changed everything. And what

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Speaker 7: I'm shocked about here, Nancy, is that Diddy is a

703
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 7: very cautious, very controlling individual. The fact that video even

704
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 7: exists is a miracle. Thank god it does exist. You

705
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 7: try to get rid of it. But the fact that

706
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:43,359
Speaker 7: he thought he was so above the law that he

707
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 7: could attack somebody in a public orway of a hotel

708
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 7: and get away with it gives us an insight into

709
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Speaker 7: who this man really is.

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Speaker 1: In the last hours, the judge warning the defense they've

711
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Speaker 1: got to high noon tomorrow to finish across exam of

712
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Speaker 1: Cassie Ventura, Tira considers suicide after what she lived through

713
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:06,280
Speaker 1: with Combs.

714
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 2: Listen.

715
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 14: Cassie struggled with depression and suicidal thoughts after Combs. Even

716
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 14: as she moved on with her now husband Alex Fine,

717
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 14: Combs continued to threaten her, demanding he'd be reimbursed for

718
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 14: Cassie's training sessions with Fine. At one point, Combs cryptically

719
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 14: wrote he had iPads full of skeletons. Recordings of the

720
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 14: freak Offs. Cassie says her husband stopped her from walking

721
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Speaker 14: out of their home into busy traffic.

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Speaker 1: Straight out to Lynn Shaw founder director Lynz Warriors, what

723
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Speaker 1: technical legal term a pos threatening her with quote iPads

724
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Speaker 1: full of skeletons. She was on the brink of suicide

725
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Speaker 1: after what she went through with Combs.

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Speaker 9: You know, Nancy, we see this time and time again. Listen,

727
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 9: the public has to realize and I'm going to go

728
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 9: back to the justice system as well. These people are

729
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 9: psychologically down. They've been groomed, they've been trapped, They're not

730
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 9: in control. She went to rehab, she tried to clean

731
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 9: herself up. Luckily, right now she's got a supportive husband.

732
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Speaker 9: You know, she's a mom.

733
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Speaker 2: She's about to have another, her third baby. But here's

734
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Speaker 2: the thing.

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Speaker 9: Many of our victims and survivors that we speak to,

736
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:21,320
Speaker 9: they tell us this same exact playbook, the same exact story.

737
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 9: They just can't handle it anymore, and they figure nobody

738
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 9: believes them, nobody wants to help them. The person with

739
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 9: the power and the money, they're in control, and they say,

740
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Speaker 9: you know what, it would just be a better place

741
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 9: if I was gone. And there's also that element we

742
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 9: have to remind everybody they're embarrassed, believe it or not.

743
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 9: And I'm tired of people who say to me, oh,

744
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 9: why don't these people just kick and run away and

745
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 9: go somewhere. Where are they going when somebody's holding this

746
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Speaker 9: over their heads? These videos?

747
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Speaker 2: And I want to point.

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Speaker 9: Out, we still don't know where are all these videos

749
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 9: perhaps uploaded also to poorn websites forever for people to

750
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:55,839
Speaker 9: look at.

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Speaker 2: We don't know.

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Speaker 9: All I know is this is the same playbook psychological damaged.

753
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 9: And we should commend Cassie for coming forward for all victims,

754
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 9: not just of Sean Colm's Dirty Diddy, but all of

755
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 9: them watching right now are telling me they are traumatized

756
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 9: listening to everything in this trial.

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Speaker 2: For what it's worth, Cassie Ventira, we believe you.

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye,