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Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to stump Mom never told you?

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Speaker 1: From House to Works dot com. Hey, welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: This is Molly and I'm Kristen. Kristen, I have something

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Speaker 1: pretty cool to brag it up. Okay, So before we

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Speaker 1: came in here, I was taking a little quiz on

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Speaker 1: Discovery Health dot Com about my levels of jealousy, and,

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Speaker 1: as it turns out, based on a ten or so

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Speaker 1: question uh quiz, I am not a jealous person. Apparently

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Speaker 1: on a scale of one hundred, I am only three

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Speaker 1: the test results, it says you appear to have a

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Speaker 1: complete lack of jealous feelings. Um, that sounds kind of inhuman, Molly,

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Speaker 1: But I guess, uh, kudos, because I took that same

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Speaker 1: problems with some of the questions. Um. There was a

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Speaker 1: slash husband confided confided in his friend that he had

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Speaker 1: a sexual dream about his favorite actress, and you're asked

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Speaker 1: to rate how much would it bother you? From extremely

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Speaker 1: do not at all. Now, it's not gonna bother me

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Speaker 1: if a guy has a dream about his favorite actress,

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Speaker 1: because he's probably never going to meet his favorite act

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Speaker 1: it could have been a dream about his ex girlfriend.

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Speaker 1: I mean I might have rated it a little higher

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Speaker 1: question asking what would you do if you were at

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Speaker 1: was flirting with a girl. I said that I would.

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Speaker 1: I would approach them and make a sarcastic comment about

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Speaker 1: them flirting, which, once again, it all depends on the girl.

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Speaker 1: You know. If it was, like you said, like an

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Speaker 1: ex girlfriend, I would probably fly into his screaming rage

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Speaker 1: of the options they provided for us a little humorous.

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Speaker 1: Um For example, would you uh tell your mate that

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Speaker 1: or without him? No? Would you find someone to flirt

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Speaker 1: ironic remark about their flirting exactly. Yeah, that's what I

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Speaker 1: a direct quote from the quiz by the way, Um.

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Speaker 1: But before we get into things, I would beat the

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Speaker 1: crap out of Why don't we talk more about what

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Speaker 1: jealousy is and why some people think that women experience

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Speaker 1: it differently than men. Okay, well, I think the first

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Speaker 1: thing that we have to talk about, Molly, is a

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Speaker 1: difference between jealousy and envy, because those words are used

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Speaker 1: interchangeably a lot, and and the fact of the matter

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Speaker 1: is they are completely different. Right. Jealousy comes from the

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Speaker 1: Greek word zelos, meaning ardor intense desire or eagerness, or

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Speaker 1: as envy is in short, you know, a desire for

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Speaker 1: something that's not yours. Right. It's basically what you have

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Speaker 1: question is our women more jealous than men? Because I

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Speaker 1: think that that's a cultural stereotype. It that I at

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Speaker 1: like eating the crap out of another woman. Yeah um.

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Speaker 1: with good ideas to Jella Chelsea. So if you want

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