WEBVTT - The 50-10 Club

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<v Speaker 2>Slash Calves. The Cleveland Cavaliers now have their third double

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<v Speaker 2>digit winning streak of the season thanks to two come

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<v Speaker 2>from behind wins against the Boston Celtics and the Portland Trailblazers.

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<v Speaker 2>Joining me today is my co host, Carter Rodriguez. Carter,

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<v Speaker 2>how you doing, Buddy? I'm doing all right, bro. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, just uh working out some kinks with a

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<v Speaker 2>new computer. So my bad UMU. But uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>obviously it feels really good. The Calves haven't had a

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<v Speaker 2>tremendous amount of ugly wins this year, you know that

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<v Speaker 2>just kind of hasn't been what's factored into their year

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<v Speaker 2>so far. And it's honestly kind of stunning that, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's taken this long to even have like two or

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<v Speaker 2>three of them where it's like a game where nothing's

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<v Speaker 2>going right against the Blazers, you know, a huge come

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<v Speaker 2>down from a from a huge win in Boston on

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<v Speaker 2>Friday night and they have to got one out. Like

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, we talk about that twenty eighteen team that

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<v Speaker 2>won like eight nine, ten in a row to start

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<v Speaker 2>the year, and like eight of those ten were hideous

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<v Speaker 2>and they were went in but it didn't feel great,

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<v Speaker 2>Like we really haven't had a lot of those this year,

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<v Speaker 2>and like it does feel like a super validating weekend

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<v Speaker 2>for the Cavs between this and a resounding comeback against

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<v Speaker 2>the Boston Celtics. Yeah, and this felt like a perfect

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<v Speaker 2>storm for a potential letdown game against the Portland Trail Blazers,

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<v Speaker 2>who are not only coming off an incredibly emotional victory

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<v Speaker 2>over the Boston Celtics, you're also dealing with it being

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<v Speaker 2>an afternoon game. We have seen weird things tend to

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<v Speaker 2>happen with those afternoon games. It's a quicker turnaround time,

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<v Speaker 2>No Donovan Mitchell in this game, that's obviously going to

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<v Speaker 2>make things.

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<v Speaker 1>A little tougher for them.

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<v Speaker 2>And even though it displayed all the classic signs of

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<v Speaker 2>it potentially being a trap game, I was really hoping

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't because I was sitting here hoping that we

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<v Speaker 2>could spend the majority of this podcast talking about the

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<v Speaker 2>Celtics game because that's who we're measuring ourselves against. And

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<v Speaker 2>trust me, we will be getting into that Celtics game.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a lot of thoughts from it. But because

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<v Speaker 2>this game was so dramatic against the Blazers, we obviously

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<v Speaker 2>have to start there, and I think the clearest starting

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<v Speaker 2>point for that game is DeAndre Hunter, who still has

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<v Speaker 2>not had a twenty point game for the Cleveland Cavaliers.

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<v Speaker 2>He just happened to have a thirty point one with

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<v Speaker 2>thirty two points and seven rebounds, just on a night

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<v Speaker 2>where everything felt a little herky jerky, where guys were

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<v Speaker 2>a little less predictable than their normal predictable cells. Hunter

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<v Speaker 2>is just that steady presence. You know what he's going

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<v Speaker 2>to bring on every single possession, and I really felt

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<v Speaker 2>like the stability that he was bringing was almost as

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<v Speaker 2>big as the shots.

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<v Speaker 1>He was hitting. Yeah, Well, there's just something to the

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<v Speaker 1>size and the play style profile that kind of makes

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<v Speaker 1>his game, I don't know, easy, and like it just

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<v Speaker 1>didn't require a lot of the surrounding context to be

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<v Speaker 1>that good to be doing what he did. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it was walking to catch and shoot threes, it was

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<v Speaker 1>attack closeouts and draw fouls and then you know, just

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<v Speaker 1>guard on the other end of the floor. Like, I

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<v Speaker 1>just didn't feel like he had to. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously he took on a greater usage load than he's

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<v Speaker 1>taken on thus far in his CAP's tenure, but it

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<v Speaker 1>didn't feel like a, well, I've got to go run

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<v Speaker 1>thirty pick and rolls because Donovan's not in the game, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>and that used to kind of beat Carris's job, and

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<v Speaker 1>like that's kind of our best frame of reference for

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<v Speaker 1>when Donnie is out is all right, now Carris will

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<v Speaker 1>step in and kind of run the offense a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>Hunter didn't do that. He just did his what he's

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<v Speaker 1>been doing more, yeah, at a higher volume.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, And I think that was the point that I

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<v Speaker 2>was going to make about how when Carris was playing

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<v Speaker 2>in these spots, it could kind of go either way, right,

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<v Speaker 2>Like there were the games where and I think more

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<v Speaker 2>often than not, when one of the guards was out,

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<v Speaker 2>he would step up and he would have a big impact.

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<v Speaker 2>But on some of those nights where you know, Darius

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<v Speaker 2>is having a terrible game against Portland, like kennot hit

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<v Speaker 2>any of his shots, any of his floaters and the

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<v Speaker 2>normal stuff that he hits on a routine basis, it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't going down. Even when they showed him, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>getting those shots up in the timeout, I think he

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<v Speaker 2>won won a three on those Like you know it,

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes it's just not your night, and you know, some

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<v Speaker 2>credit to him for sure for continuing to battle through that.

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<v Speaker 2>But on a night where Darius wouldn't have it going,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, evan up and down game moments where he

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<v Speaker 2>looked great, other times where he was a little out

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<v Speaker 2>of control and just nobody was really bringing that consistency

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<v Speaker 2>to the table, I felt like sometimes Kars would get

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<v Speaker 2>sucked into that, like he would almost feed off of

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<v Speaker 2>that energy and it would become more chaotic. Whereas in

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<v Speaker 2>this spot you had Ty Jerome once again step up

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<v Speaker 2>with one of those guards out and DeAndre Hunter, as

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<v Speaker 2>you said, not playing outside of himself, but just cranking

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<v Speaker 2>up the volume on what he already does so well.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that that is one of the huge

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<v Speaker 2>benefits of you know, this situation where we're sitting here

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<v Speaker 2>with fifty wins through sixty games, because we have so

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<v Speaker 2>much depth, because we have, you know, four guys that

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<v Speaker 2>are probably top thirty players in the league at the

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<v Speaker 2>very least, you know, we have three top twenty four

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<v Speaker 2>because we had three all starts. And when you take

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<v Speaker 2>DeAndre Hunter from you know, kind of number three rolled

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<v Speaker 2>in Atlanta to number five in Cleveland, where oh, if

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<v Speaker 2>someone you know, Jared Allen having an off game against Boston,

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<v Speaker 2>we can put DeAndre in and we can expect a

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<v Speaker 2>little more from him in this spot because he is

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<v Speaker 2>overqualified to be a fifth man. When you have that

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<v Speaker 2>kind of luxury and you have the supporting depth around them,

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<v Speaker 2>it is just going to help you have an insane

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<v Speaker 2>flour when it comes to the regular season. But not

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<v Speaker 2>only that, it's going to increase your margin for error

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<v Speaker 2>when you're playing a top team like the Boston Celtics.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, man, I said this. I went on Bob Manning's

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<v Speaker 1>Celtics show on Saturday night or Saturday afternoon, and I

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<v Speaker 1>did just say that before the Hunter trade, I felt

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<v Speaker 1>like there was no lineup context in which I would

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<v Speaker 1>be really cool with benching Jared out. I just I

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<v Speaker 1>really did pretty steadfastly believe that no matter what the matchups,

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much no matter what the form was, the best

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<v Speaker 1>shot was going to be with Jared at the five

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<v Speaker 1>and Evan at the four. And what Hunter has done

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<v Speaker 1>is give any a real legit high upside option on

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<v Speaker 1>nights where one of the two biggest doesn't have it,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the two bigges in foul trouble, whatever it

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<v Speaker 1>may be, he just doesn't have to do anything. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's really important. Yeah, it's really, really, really damn important.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, I probably would have liked to have seen,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I understand going with Max in the starting lineup,

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<v Speaker 2>I would have liked to have seen some minutes with

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<v Speaker 2>the core for and DeAndre Hunter against the Boston Celtics. Like,

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<v Speaker 2>just from an experimenting standpoint, I guess the first time

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<v Speaker 2>that's going to occur is going to be in the

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<v Speaker 2>playoffs if it does in fact occur. But having that

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<v Speaker 2>versatility I think is really big, and Ken talked about

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<v Speaker 2>it postgame after this win over the Blazers, where I

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<v Speaker 2>forget who asked the question, but you know a very

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<v Speaker 2>good question. Oh it was our buddy Mike Lucas Ultimate

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<v Speaker 2>Cleveland Sports Show asked, Hey, this is the second time

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<v Speaker 2>now where you've kind of closed the fourth quarter with

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<v Speaker 2>Jared on the bench, and Kenny said, yeah, teams are

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<v Speaker 2>putting some pressure on us. They're really downsize and they

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<v Speaker 2>have three or four guards out there, and that just

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<v Speaker 2>requires a different kind of you know, mobility from a

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<v Speaker 2>defensive standpoint and having the flexibility to do that where

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Jarrett was not having a strong game against Boston.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought he was playing pretty well tonight against Portland,

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<v Speaker 2>but just hey, the matchup is a little tricky. We

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<v Speaker 2>are able to kind of CounterPunch. We are able to,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, kind of dare you to go big because

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<v Speaker 2>if we are our scale down lineup contains somebody that

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<v Speaker 2>we were comfortable giving some small ball five minutes in

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<v Speaker 2>this game.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I gotta say I'm a little worried about Jared's hand.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, he's still wearing that rap on it. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know this is not a source reporter or anything

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<v Speaker 1>like that. I just have noticed there's a few times

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<v Speaker 1>where he's tapping the ball to his other hand. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he even had that very the shot that went in,

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<v Speaker 1>but he had like a fifteen foot left handed floater,

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<v Speaker 1>and I just I work I had.

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<v Speaker 2>Some incredible left handed finishes. There was the one against

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<v Speaker 2>Boston where it was a lob and he just kind

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<v Speaker 2>of deflected it in. He had that nice touch one

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<v Speaker 2>where Darius found him underneath the basket. Definitely notice like

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<v Speaker 2>he's shown the floater with the left even prior to this,

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<v Speaker 2>but it feels like he's going to it just a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit more. And I think you're seeing it sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>in those contested rebound situations where he's just not securing

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<v Speaker 2>it the way that he was even a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>weeks ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and also it just I've also noticed it does

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<v Speaker 1>short circuit the finishing just a little bit, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm definitely keeping my eye on that. I know

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<v Speaker 1>Jared's goal was to play all eighty two and we'll

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<v Speaker 1>see if he can do it. But yeah, that it

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<v Speaker 1>just does jump out at me just a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>that that they have gone without him the last two games,

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<v Speaker 1>understand most importantly, gone without him at all, even in

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<v Speaker 1>line ups without Evan. Yeah, that is not something that

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<v Speaker 1>they've ever done before. And I don't know if that's

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<v Speaker 1>a we like it and Hunter and Wade we think

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<v Speaker 1>is enough length in the front court to survive, or

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<v Speaker 1>if it's we feel we have to right the second.

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<v Speaker 1>But I do think it there is keeping an eye on.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it might fall into category three of we

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<v Speaker 2>want to see if we're able to like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>let's you know, let's try some stuff, right. I think

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<v Speaker 2>that's important to keep in mind where I think we

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<v Speaker 2>saw playoff like intensity from Cleveland and Boston in these

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<v Speaker 2>last couple of matchups and honestly every game that they've

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<v Speaker 2>played this season. I feel like both teams have really

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<v Speaker 2>got up for those games. But I would expect both

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<v Speaker 2>sides have a something that they're holding back that they

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<v Speaker 2>didn't show, you know, during the regular season that there

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<v Speaker 2>may go to in the playoffs, whether it be Kenny

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<v Speaker 2>changing up how he's going to counter Boston defensively, what

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<v Speaker 2>types of looks he anticipates thrown at.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, I feel like we've played.

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<v Speaker 2>A very kind of normal regular season rotation for the

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<v Speaker 2>most part against the Celtics. Now you're not going to

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<v Speaker 2>do you know, Craig Porter Junior in that matchup, but

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<v Speaker 2>he still did go very deep within the rotation, and

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if that's going to continue in the playoffs.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what changes are going to be there.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think it's important to have that caveat. But

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<v Speaker 2>you know, maybe there is some element at least of Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>Jared's at like eighty five percent right now, let's see,

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<v Speaker 2>let's see if we can play Dean and Hunter as

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<v Speaker 2>our loan bigs when Boston's going really small here with

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<v Speaker 2>you know, six nine Al Horford and a bunch of

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<v Speaker 2>guards and wings.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you're absolutely right, And I mean Hunters is holding up.

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<v Speaker 1>He had seven boards in this one, seven important boards.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought he battled down the stretch as Portland kept

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<v Speaker 1>counter punching and attacking the glass and trying to attack

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<v Speaker 1>and transition and just you know, be the more chaotic team.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought they did a great job of just being like, nope,

0:12:20.360 --> 0:12:23.839
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna in this. These possessions where they where they end.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, again, it was not a clean game

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<v Speaker 1>by any means, but like it just goes back to

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<v Speaker 1>I mean your Virginia Cavaliers, Ties Rome and DeAndre Hunter

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<v Speaker 1>just went won you the game because Darius never really

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<v Speaker 1>got into the game. Max didn't have a particularly clean game.

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<v Speaker 1>They were fouling like absolute crazy. Barland had four stru

0:12:46.000 --> 0:12:50.000
<v Speaker 1>said five hundred had four mobilely fouled out, which never happened. No,

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's just one of those games, man, And you

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<v Speaker 1>know that was part of why I felt like they

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<v Speaker 1>were going to lose it. Like even when they cut

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<v Speaker 1>it to ten to start the fourth, I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe there's a chance. But when you have you know,

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<v Speaker 1>seventy free throws between the two teams, that's just going

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<v Speaker 1>to lead to a choppy game where it's really tough

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<v Speaker 1>to find a rhythm. And I thought Portland deserves a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of credit. They played really hard, They have a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of length and their ass off.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I think they won fourteen of their last nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>games coming into that game, so you know they've been

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<v Speaker 2>playing really good basketball. There's someone that you know is

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<v Speaker 2>almost tailor made to get you in one of these

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<v Speaker 2>early afternoon games where you're coming off an emotional win.

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<v Speaker 2>So they deserve a ton of credit. Tomorrow, Kamara, it

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<v Speaker 2>was fantastic and he had a great game. There's there's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot to like with that Portland group. So I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to take anything away from them. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Darius did not have it going at all. That steal

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<v Speaker 2>that he had at the end of the game may

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<v Speaker 2>have really impacted the outcome there because that was a

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<v Speaker 2>fast break opportunity for Portland. But that was actually one

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<v Speaker 2>of the few times that I've seen this season where

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<v Speaker 2>it felt like he recognized he didn't have it going

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<v Speaker 2>and went passive. And I don't think that's necessarily a

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<v Speaker 2>good thing, but it seemed like he was not even

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<v Speaker 2>trying to get those shots up down late. I felt like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, he created some looks for guys, he was

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<v Speaker 2>able to turn the corner offensively, but he just didn't

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<v Speaker 2>seem to have confidence in his shot. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if that's you know, working his way back from the hip,

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<v Speaker 2>this is a short turnaround time from Boston not feeling right,

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<v Speaker 2>or if this was just one of those games where

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<v Speaker 2>he didn't have your shot going, which certainly happens, but

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<v Speaker 2>definitely one of his worst offensive games of the season.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, he still got up sixteen shots. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not like he went full passive, but like he definitely

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<v Speaker 1>was letting letting Tye be the run the offense down

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<v Speaker 1>the stretch, of the game. But the counter to that,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, is ty was the best player on the

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<v Speaker 1>court for a lot of the game, and Tye was unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 1>So like it. You know, I'm hesitant ing him too

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<v Speaker 1>hard for that. In fact, it's funny that you ing

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<v Speaker 1>him a little bit, because I was going to go

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<v Speaker 1>the other way, where I go, Hey, you don't have it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's freaking March second against the Blazers. You don't need

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<v Speaker 1>to prove anything to anyone, just just whatever is the

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<v Speaker 1>best road to getting them to a win. I do

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<v Speaker 1>think Tye running a lot of pick and roll was

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<v Speaker 1>their best road to a win in that game.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I think that's a very valid point. I just

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to kind of highlight that that that's been unique, right, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think we've seen that a whole lot this year,

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<v Speaker 2>even against Boston. One of the things I really enjoyed

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<v Speaker 2>was he was assertive. He took those shots late, right,

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<v Speaker 2>He hit that three to make it a six point game,

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<v Speaker 2>and then hit that dagger step back that basically ice

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<v Speaker 2>the win against the Celtics. He was not afraid of

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<v Speaker 2>the moment in that spot. So I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>it was just one of those nights where he didn't

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<v Speaker 2>have it going. But it was definitely a tough night

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<v Speaker 2>for him. But before we get into to Boston, is

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<v Speaker 2>there any other things you want to highlight with this

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<v Speaker 2>Portland game?

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<v Speaker 1>Just? I mean, Ty was a demon man, he was

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<v Speaker 1>he was so good physical. Uh, he got the you know,

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<v Speaker 1>him and Hunter got nineteen combined free throw attempts, and

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<v Speaker 1>Cavs role players just haven't been like you don't normally

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<v Speaker 1>see two Cavs role players combined for nineteen free throw

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<v Speaker 1>attempts in a game. You know, it's just not really

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<v Speaker 1>been their style. You know, the four, the core four

0:16:24.840 --> 0:16:27.000
<v Speaker 1>typically eat such a big minutes load that it's hard

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<v Speaker 1>to get there from even from a usage perspective. But

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<v Speaker 1>I thought, you know, they they probably won the game

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<v Speaker 1>with those nineteen free throws because in a game where

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<v Speaker 1>nothing nothing's easy. And by the way, even in this

0:16:42.680 --> 0:16:44.960
<v Speaker 1>hideous game, they end up at forty one point three

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<v Speaker 1>percent from three. So I don't know, man, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>they'll just they just can't. They can't be too bad

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<v Speaker 1>at shooting, uh, for for for too long. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I just thought Jerome was a was just yet another

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<v Speaker 1>example of and being an absolute murderer for this team

0:17:03.360 --> 0:17:08.680
<v Speaker 1>every time they need him to be. Every time they're like, Hi, yeah,

0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:12.240
<v Speaker 1>they're just gonna comar on you, but just figure it out,

0:17:12.880 --> 0:17:16.480
<v Speaker 1>Like figure it out, get get to the rim. He

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<v Speaker 1>had a couple nasty cross court passes out of the

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<v Speaker 1>pick and roll. You know, I thought he had a

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<v Speaker 1>really really great game as a playmaker. He had six

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<v Speaker 1>assistant one turnover, and when you pair that with these

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<v Speaker 1>six justin count them six steals, a career high. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>It just felt like a really dominant floor game for him,

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<v Speaker 1>and they needed someone to be an event player, and

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<v Speaker 1>he probably had. Hunter had the best scoring game. I

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<v Speaker 1>felt like Jerome had the loudest game.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And you know, we've talked about how we stepped

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<v Speaker 2>up in those games without Donovan or without Darius at

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<v Speaker 2>times when with.

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<v Speaker 1>The way Darius was shooting, it felt like neither of

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<v Speaker 1>them were out there right.

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<v Speaker 2>So for him to to step up in that way

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<v Speaker 2>in a night where we really needed it, I thought

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<v Speaker 2>was significant. Only other thing that I kind of had

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<v Speaker 2>noted from this game was I still like just fundamental

0:18:12.960 --> 0:18:16.960
<v Speaker 2>basketball philosophy. I don't love the foul up three, at

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<v Speaker 2>least when there's over ten seconds left. I think if

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<v Speaker 2>you're down in the final seven seconds and a team

0:18:23.000 --> 0:18:26.679
<v Speaker 2>is drawing up something on the sideline, foul there. But

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<v Speaker 2>particularly where you know they used up their last time

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<v Speaker 2>out to advance the ball and didn't have an opportunity

0:18:32.359 --> 0:18:34.679
<v Speaker 2>to call it and get a shot up, but then

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<v Speaker 2>a regulation. That's just one of those little things where

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<v Speaker 2>I understand what the numbers say, but just from a

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<v Speaker 2>philosophical standpoint, I don't love the timing with that much

0:18:46.520 --> 0:18:47.480
<v Speaker 2>time left in the game.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it feels it has felt a little bit like

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<v Speaker 1>we're doing a thing we don't do that often. You know,

0:18:55.640 --> 0:18:58.960
<v Speaker 1>it's not you watch some teams foul up three and

0:18:59.040 --> 0:19:02.040
<v Speaker 1>it feels it feels really hard for the other team

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<v Speaker 1>to account for. And I feel like when the Cabs

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<v Speaker 1>have done it, it's felt like like a thing they

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<v Speaker 1>weren't doing last year. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just it doesn't probably feel even weirder because we're

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<v Speaker 2>never within one possession at the end of a game,

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<v Speaker 2>like that's happened like four times this year.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so like they don't have a ton of practice

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<v Speaker 1>doing it. Uh and uh, and yeah, it's just been

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<v Speaker 1>a little rough. Last thing I'll say about this game

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<v Speaker 1>because I noticed that you're wearing it too. Shout out

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<v Speaker 1>to Nick Gilbert. Uh. It was bow tie night for

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<v Speaker 1>the Cabs and uh, you know, a cool night honoring

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<v Speaker 1>their memory, a great great appearances from the Gilbert family

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<v Speaker 1>on the on the broadcast talking about kind of Nick's legacy. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the all the work they're doing to cure

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<v Speaker 1>an f And I just wanted to shout out the

0:19:47.280 --> 0:19:51.040
<v Speaker 1>Gilbert family because you know, even on a night that's

0:19:51.040 --> 0:19:54.840
<v Speaker 1>celebrating a loved one that's passed away, it's still a

0:19:54.880 --> 0:19:57.920
<v Speaker 1>hard heavy thing to kind of deal with. So send

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<v Speaker 1>in love uh to the boss man and UH. And

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<v Speaker 1>I hope their family is doing doing good uh through

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<v Speaker 1>who it was probably a tough day for them.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, to totally agree with that. I appreciate you uh

0:20:10.359 --> 0:20:13.159
<v Speaker 2>making note of that. And you know, it's great to

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<v Speaker 2>get a win. It's great to get a win on

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<v Speaker 2>that night. I forget what the matchup was last year,

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<v Speaker 2>but this is the third annual UH bow Tige night, UH,

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<v Speaker 2>and absolutely we had to rock the pins for that,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, it's good to keep the good vibes going.

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<v Speaker 1>Man.

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<v Speaker 2>I mentioned that at the top of the podcast. But

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<v Speaker 2>third double digit winning streak of the season. That's nuts.

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<v Speaker 2>Nobody else in the Eastern Conference has one of those

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<v Speaker 2>this season.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I saw someone I forget who tweeted. I think

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<v Speaker 1>I retweeted it, but uh they said, uh it was

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<v Speaker 1>uh it was Calves Jack on Twitter. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if this is real. Didn't vet this, but he said

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<v Speaker 1>before the season the Caves had had five ten plus

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<v Speaker 1>game winning streaks and franchise history. They have three this

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<v Speaker 1>season alone. Absolutely bonkers. I don't know if that's true.

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<v Speaker 1>It sounds true, it sounds right. I mean, these are

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<v Speaker 1>pretty rare, so the fact that they've done it this

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<v Speaker 1>many times just bananas. And can I share that year

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<v Speaker 1>with of course? Mark Stein shared this on a substack

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<v Speaker 1>just before we recorded. But Boston is currently since the

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<v Speaker 1>start of last year, sixty four and three when they

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<v Speaker 1>lead by twenty in a game. Two of those three

0:21:25.040 --> 0:21:29.960
<v Speaker 1>losses have come against your Cleveland Cavaliers. Oh yeah, brother, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I just think the season's been unbelievable. And we'll dive

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<v Speaker 1>into the Boston stuff with the back half of the pod.

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<v Speaker 1>And because there was I think that's the much more

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<v Speaker 1>noteworthy game. Yeah, but I just cannot believe this team

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<v Speaker 1>is fifty and ten. Dude, that's a banana stat. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the the Phil Jackson club is like forty

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<v Speaker 1>wins before twenty losses. How about fifty wins before eleven.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's absolutely bananas. I updated this stat going after tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>I tweeted out a little while ago, updated tonight calves

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<v Speaker 1>I've had two rough stretches this season, and rough and

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<v Speaker 1>parent and quotation marks not even that rough. Mid mid

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<v Speaker 1>November to end of November they lost three out of five,

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<v Speaker 1>and then mid January to the end of January they

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<v Speaker 1>lost five out of eight. The rest of the year,

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<v Speaker 1>they are forty five and two. Seems pretty good.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, it's easy to get caught up on

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<v Speaker 2>the Cavs larger aspirations for this season, right like, particularly

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<v Speaker 2>coming off that Boston game, I couldn't help but think

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<v Speaker 2>that next time we see this team is going to

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<v Speaker 2>be the Eastern Conference Finals, and I will continue to

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<v Speaker 2>speak that into existence.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like we're going to get there.

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<v Speaker 2>But the next time, the next time it's possible to

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<v Speaker 2>play them is the Eastern Conference Finals.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're a little superstitious.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's so easy to lose track of that right,

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<v Speaker 2>and sometimes it's easy to lose track of things in general,

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<v Speaker 2>which is why zoom i can Companion so important, Carter,

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<v Speaker 2>because only you can do your best work, zoom Mayi

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<v Speaker 1>Were happy with zoom may I Companion. Now, before we

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<v Speaker 1>dive into yeah, before we dive into the Boston stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>I did to say. Paley Dodd just said in the

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<v Speaker 1>in the chat, seventy four percent of our wins this

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<v Speaker 1>season are part of winning streaks, which is hilarious and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty sure that's accurate.

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<v Speaker 2>It feels it spiritually feels right at the very least.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a great, great point. And you know, the funny

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<v Speaker 2>thing about that Celtics game, I'm going to start it off.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even know if sour no is.

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<v Speaker 2>The right way to put this, but my takeaway from

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<v Speaker 2>that game is the same as if we would have

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<v Speaker 2>lost it, which is I'm a little frustrated that I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like I didn't learn anything from that game. I

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<v Speaker 2>am very happy to see that this Cavs team is

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<v Speaker 2>once again resilient as hell. They came back multiple times,

0:24:02.760 --> 0:24:05.399
<v Speaker 2>like the fact that they you know, within the first quarter,

0:24:05.640 --> 0:24:08.280
<v Speaker 2>they cut that down to six, they cut it down

0:24:08.320 --> 0:24:11.400
<v Speaker 2>to three. Later on, Boston extended the lead to seventeen.

0:24:11.800 --> 0:24:15.359
<v Speaker 2>They had the energy for multiple comebacks. That's not something

0:24:15.359 --> 0:24:18.480
<v Speaker 2>I've learned in that game. I know that this team

0:24:18.520 --> 0:24:20.600
<v Speaker 2>is resilient. I know that they are tough as hell

0:24:20.680 --> 0:24:22.720
<v Speaker 2>and that they can come back. I know that this

0:24:22.840 --> 0:24:24.720
<v Speaker 2>team is a team that can close out. They have

0:24:24.960 --> 0:24:27.800
<v Speaker 2>not lost a game that they were leading going into

0:24:27.800 --> 0:24:32.679
<v Speaker 2>the fourth quarter. What I saw on Friday night is

0:24:32.760 --> 0:24:36.199
<v Speaker 2>exactly what I thought the Cavs were. They are a

0:24:36.200 --> 0:24:40.359
<v Speaker 2>team that has everything they need to beat the Boston Celtics.

0:24:40.560 --> 0:24:43.360
<v Speaker 2>They have the personnel, they have the talent. They are

0:24:43.440 --> 0:24:46.800
<v Speaker 2>capable of doing it. I don't know if they're ready

0:24:46.840 --> 0:24:48.879
<v Speaker 2>to do it. And that's not something we're going to

0:24:48.920 --> 0:24:52.520
<v Speaker 2>learn until a playoff series, and that's you know, that's

0:24:52.560 --> 0:24:55.480
<v Speaker 2>something we might not learn until, you know, midway through

0:24:55.520 --> 0:24:57.480
<v Speaker 2>the series. We didn't learn about that with the twenty

0:24:57.520 --> 0:25:02.360
<v Speaker 2>sixteen Cavaliers basically until game because those two blowout losses

0:25:02.400 --> 0:25:05.480
<v Speaker 2>to start that series that hurt, that sucked. It looked

0:25:05.480 --> 0:25:07.800
<v Speaker 2>like they didn't belong, but they dug deep and they

0:25:07.840 --> 0:25:12.000
<v Speaker 2>found a way to reopen that series. We may not

0:25:12.160 --> 0:25:15.160
<v Speaker 2>learn that until midway through the series against the Celtics,

0:25:15.400 --> 0:25:19.160
<v Speaker 2>but I remain convinced that they have what it takes.

0:25:19.560 --> 0:25:22.000
<v Speaker 2>It's just going to be about whether or not the

0:25:22.040 --> 0:25:25.840
<v Speaker 2>guys are ready to execute at the consistent level necessary

0:25:26.000 --> 0:25:28.040
<v Speaker 2>to beat Boston four hours, seven times.

0:25:28.359 --> 0:25:31.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's the fourth straight game where they came out

0:25:31.600 --> 0:25:36.320
<v Speaker 1>really tight, and I feel like there was just a

0:25:36.400 --> 0:25:40.960
<v Speaker 1>little bit of that letting perfect be any enemy of

0:25:41.080 --> 0:25:45.400
<v Speaker 1>good creep into their process. And that's a little scary.

0:25:45.680 --> 0:25:50.520
<v Speaker 1>You know this. We've said it all year. They have

0:25:50.800 --> 0:25:58.639
<v Speaker 1>shredded much better defenses than the Boston Celtics. And the

0:25:58.720 --> 0:26:03.439
<v Speaker 1>fact that we're four four first quarters in like I

0:26:03.440 --> 0:26:06.440
<v Speaker 1>don't know if they talk twenty five in any of them,

0:26:07.320 --> 0:26:10.840
<v Speaker 1>and even the first six minutes of each quarter probably

0:26:10.880 --> 0:26:15.000
<v Speaker 1>is even worse. I feel like there's just a general

0:26:15.080 --> 0:26:18.560
<v Speaker 1>tightness that takes over the team. Wide open threes, there's

0:26:18.600 --> 0:26:21.160
<v Speaker 1>that extra half second of loading up and looking at

0:26:21.160 --> 0:26:24.800
<v Speaker 1>the brim. It's just like this. I don't know if

0:26:24.840 --> 0:26:27.480
<v Speaker 1>they want it too much. I don't know if it

0:26:27.600 --> 0:26:32.120
<v Speaker 1>is the anxiety of playing Boston in terms of they

0:26:32.160 --> 0:26:35.199
<v Speaker 1>are going to avalanche you if you're not careful. So

0:26:35.280 --> 0:26:38.760
<v Speaker 1>there's this, like you know, a little Sasha Pavlovitch. Their

0:26:38.800 --> 0:26:43.960
<v Speaker 1>offense is their defense where you're worried about letting their

0:26:44.000 --> 0:26:45.920
<v Speaker 1>machine get going, so you feel like you have to

0:26:45.960 --> 0:26:49.879
<v Speaker 1>like build up some give to maintain connection. But we

0:26:50.080 --> 0:26:54.679
<v Speaker 1>have seen it. However, I will say I think that

0:26:55.880 --> 0:26:59.920
<v Speaker 1>we have to give them credit for they're a bil

0:27:00.359 --> 0:27:07.159
<v Speaker 1>to find offense and find an offensive flow. For forty

0:27:07.240 --> 0:27:11.399
<v Speaker 1>three minutes of this game. Yeah, for forty three minutes

0:27:11.440 --> 0:27:14.000
<v Speaker 1>they put up about a one to forty four offensive

0:27:14.080 --> 0:27:16.960
<v Speaker 1>rating against the defense they have not been able to

0:27:16.960 --> 0:27:21.920
<v Speaker 1>figure out. I don't because that's if I have anxieties,

0:27:21.960 --> 0:27:24.480
<v Speaker 1>it's are they mentally ready and are they able to

0:27:24.520 --> 0:27:28.000
<v Speaker 1>figure out how to score on this team consistently? And

0:27:28.280 --> 0:27:31.600
<v Speaker 1>my big question at the offensive death machine going the

0:27:31.640 --> 0:27:36.080
<v Speaker 1>way they have and maybe that, I mean, one four

0:27:36.119 --> 0:27:38.879
<v Speaker 1>is a pretty good offensive rating forty three minutes. Do

0:27:38.920 --> 0:27:40.879
<v Speaker 1>you feel like they found anything there or do you

0:27:40.880 --> 0:27:45.080
<v Speaker 1>think that was just more reliance on Donovan mitchell excellence.

0:27:45.880 --> 0:27:48.560
<v Speaker 2>I don't think it was more reliance on Donovan Mitchell excellence,

0:27:48.640 --> 0:27:52.240
<v Speaker 2>just because I did feel like we got valuable contributions

0:27:52.240 --> 0:27:55.000
<v Speaker 2>from a variety of guys during certain stretches. Right like

0:27:55.160 --> 0:27:58.280
<v Speaker 2>whenevn't Mobiley gotten foul trouble in the third quarter, Jared,

0:27:58.359 --> 0:28:00.720
<v Speaker 2>even though he had a tough game, went out there

0:28:00.800 --> 0:28:04.720
<v Speaker 2>in those minutes, bought Mobley sometime, got eight points, got

0:28:04.720 --> 0:28:08.159
<v Speaker 2>a couple of rebounds, extra possessions where he was fighting

0:28:08.200 --> 0:28:12.000
<v Speaker 2>for it and they deflected outbounds. That was really important.

0:28:12.280 --> 0:28:16.080
<v Speaker 2>Evan Mobley awesome fourth quarter, Like he really stepped up

0:28:16.080 --> 0:28:18.320
<v Speaker 2>and was assertive on both ends of the floor.

0:28:18.720 --> 0:28:19.600
<v Speaker 1>I think it was what.

0:28:19.520 --> 0:28:21.879
<v Speaker 2>Eleven points and eight rebounds in the fourth quarter, that

0:28:22.000 --> 0:28:25.840
<v Speaker 2>was awesome. Flthy Darius. I mentioned it before, but hitting

0:28:25.840 --> 0:28:27.720
<v Speaker 2>that big three in the clutch and then that that

0:28:27.880 --> 0:28:32.040
<v Speaker 2>step back on Houser to ice the game, that's that's

0:28:32.119 --> 0:28:35.439
<v Speaker 2>big kohone stuff like I'm happy to see that. I

0:28:35.440 --> 0:28:38.560
<v Speaker 2>thought Ty Jerome gave them a good stretches. I thought

0:28:38.840 --> 0:28:42.200
<v Speaker 2>even Sam Merrill did a good job competing at times.

0:28:42.800 --> 0:28:45.000
<v Speaker 2>Icycle Corl I want to get into him in depth,

0:28:45.280 --> 0:28:47.640
<v Speaker 2>but I loved what I saw from him, not only

0:28:47.680 --> 0:28:49.880
<v Speaker 2>in this Boston game, but I liked a lot of

0:28:49.920 --> 0:28:54.080
<v Speaker 2>his minutes against Portland as well. I don't feel like

0:28:54.160 --> 0:28:57.160
<v Speaker 2>it was just more Mitchell greatness, but I do think

0:28:57.240 --> 0:29:01.040
<v Speaker 2>that one of my big takeaways was Mitchell greatness, and

0:29:01.240 --> 0:29:03.800
<v Speaker 2>that was one of our takeaways against the last game

0:29:04.440 --> 0:29:07.280
<v Speaker 2>that we won versus Boston, where we said, you know,

0:29:07.800 --> 0:29:10.360
<v Speaker 2>I think correctly, we deserve to pat ourselves on the back.

0:29:10.440 --> 0:29:13.280
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes I'm a little hesitant to do that, but we've

0:29:13.320 --> 0:29:15.520
<v Speaker 2>talked all season about how, yeah, you can look at

0:29:15.520 --> 0:29:18.240
<v Speaker 2>the impact metrics and you can say Darius is the

0:29:18.240 --> 0:29:21.520
<v Speaker 2>primary driver of the offense. Evan's the primary driver of

0:29:21.560 --> 0:29:25.520
<v Speaker 2>the defense. But that has been facilitated because of Donovan

0:29:25.600 --> 0:29:29.520
<v Speaker 2>Mitchell's leadership. He has enabled them to do that. I

0:29:29.560 --> 0:29:33.400
<v Speaker 2>think in these matchups, this is where you see, oh yeah,

0:29:33.520 --> 0:29:36.480
<v Speaker 2>Donovan is the best player on the team. Donovan is

0:29:36.520 --> 0:29:38.880
<v Speaker 2>that guy that's ready to meet the moment. He is

0:29:39.000 --> 0:29:42.720
<v Speaker 2>so proficient against the Boston Celtics. He's phenomenal. And before

0:29:42.720 --> 0:29:44.440
<v Speaker 2>I let you talk Carter, I do need to fact

0:29:44.520 --> 0:29:46.720
<v Speaker 2>check your one note because he said I don't know

0:29:46.720 --> 0:29:49.400
<v Speaker 2>if we scored twenty six in a first quarter. We

0:29:49.440 --> 0:29:52.000
<v Speaker 2>did outscore Boston twenty eight to four in the game

0:29:52.040 --> 0:29:55.080
<v Speaker 2>we won in Cleveland. But to your point, in that

0:29:55.200 --> 0:29:58.240
<v Speaker 2>game me into twenty four, twenty eight to twenty four,

0:29:58.400 --> 0:29:59.200
<v Speaker 2>did I say that.

0:29:59.320 --> 0:30:01.640
<v Speaker 1>You said twenty eight to four. I was like, well,

0:30:02.080 --> 0:30:02.360
<v Speaker 1>that was.

0:30:02.480 --> 0:30:05.960
<v Speaker 2>A you know, that's that's the lead only Boston could blow.

0:30:06.520 --> 0:30:09.120
<v Speaker 2>But no, it was twenty eight to twenty four, so

0:30:09.160 --> 0:30:13.040
<v Speaker 2>we we did eclipse that number. But to your point,

0:30:13.120 --> 0:30:16.200
<v Speaker 2>I do recall Less starting off slow at the beginning

0:30:16.200 --> 0:30:16.680
<v Speaker 2>of that game.

0:30:17.680 --> 0:30:23.040
<v Speaker 1>Okay, well, you know, I do think the Donovan thing

0:30:24.600 --> 0:30:27.160
<v Speaker 1>it's been I don't know. I'm not trying to act

0:30:27.200 --> 0:30:29.760
<v Speaker 1>like it's a bad thing that he's going nuts against

0:30:29.800 --> 0:30:33.959
<v Speaker 1>this team, but it is kind of a meaningfully different

0:30:34.080 --> 0:30:36.920
<v Speaker 1>road to their points than what they've been all year,

0:30:37.240 --> 0:30:39.280
<v Speaker 1>and I don't I'm not quite sure how to reconcile that.

0:30:39.840 --> 0:30:43.000
<v Speaker 1>I also just don't know why Boston cannot do anything

0:30:43.040 --> 0:30:48.320
<v Speaker 1>with this guy, like because even when, like I feel

0:30:48.360 --> 0:30:51.800
<v Speaker 1>like Donovan has been good all year. Obviously he's been

0:30:51.800 --> 0:30:54.000
<v Speaker 1>a I think he's gonna end up first team All

0:30:54.120 --> 0:30:57.640
<v Speaker 1>NBA by the end of the year. Yeah, but there

0:30:57.680 --> 0:30:59.680
<v Speaker 1>have been teams that have at least made it hard

0:30:59.680 --> 0:31:02.840
<v Speaker 1>for him, and I feel like Boston it's not been

0:31:02.880 --> 0:31:07.000
<v Speaker 1>hard for him, really even when he's had less efficient

0:31:07.040 --> 0:31:11.520
<v Speaker 1>games in the season series, it's been just because he's misshots, yeah,

0:31:11.560 --> 0:31:15.200
<v Speaker 1>as opposed to getting knocked off of his rhythm. Like,

0:31:15.520 --> 0:31:18.600
<v Speaker 1>I feel like there are a lot worse teams where

0:31:18.600 --> 0:31:20.560
<v Speaker 1>he has to work way harder to get to his spots.

0:31:20.600 --> 0:31:24.360
<v Speaker 1>I asked Bobby Manning yesterday on yesterday's pod, like, why

0:31:24.400 --> 0:31:26.920
<v Speaker 1>can't you guys do anything with him? Shouldn't you be

0:31:27.000 --> 0:31:31.520
<v Speaker 1>like Taylor made And they're not. I don't know they can't,

0:31:31.560 --> 0:31:33.880
<v Speaker 1>whether it's Drew or Derek White, Like, it doesn't feel

0:31:33.960 --> 0:31:38.600
<v Speaker 1>like like Boston has a tremendous amount of answers. I

0:31:38.640 --> 0:31:40.960
<v Speaker 1>don't know if it's the bigs and the drop coverage

0:31:41.040 --> 0:31:45.360
<v Speaker 1>or what, but man, he has just been electric against

0:31:45.360 --> 0:31:48.440
<v Speaker 1>that matchup and it's my number one reason to feel

0:31:48.480 --> 0:31:50.520
<v Speaker 1>like we can go into a series and beat them.

0:31:50.880 --> 0:31:53.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And you know, to your point, I think it

0:31:53.840 --> 0:31:58.040
<v Speaker 2>is a little different than our overall profile, right how

0:31:58.040 --> 0:32:00.320
<v Speaker 2>we get points throughout the course of the season, But

0:32:00.640 --> 0:32:02.360
<v Speaker 2>that's kind of what it needs to be. When you're

0:32:02.400 --> 0:32:05.320
<v Speaker 2>playing elite teams, you need your best guys to step

0:32:05.400 --> 0:32:07.400
<v Speaker 2>up to the moment and be there in a lot

0:32:07.440 --> 0:32:10.240
<v Speaker 2>of these games against Boston, where Mitchell has scored other

0:32:10.280 --> 0:32:12.720
<v Speaker 2>guys have been struggling. I think that was true even

0:32:12.760 --> 0:32:14.960
<v Speaker 2>at times in this game. But when you look at

0:32:14.960 --> 0:32:20.360
<v Speaker 2>it again, similar lesson to previous games against Boston, where

0:32:20.360 --> 0:32:23.840
<v Speaker 2>we said Darius after that first game, we're like, if

0:32:23.920 --> 0:32:27.000
<v Speaker 2>Darius just had a B game, like not even a

0:32:27.040 --> 0:32:30.320
<v Speaker 2>B plus, that's probably enough to win, you know, the

0:32:31.360 --> 0:32:34.080
<v Speaker 2>game that we had just lost at home versus Boston.

0:32:34.320 --> 0:32:37.040
<v Speaker 2>If Evan just has a B game, that's probably enough

0:32:37.040 --> 0:32:40.480
<v Speaker 2>to win that game. I thought Evan and Darius both

0:32:40.480 --> 0:32:43.680
<v Speaker 2>had B games. They both struggled at times, but Mobile

0:32:43.960 --> 0:32:48.160
<v Speaker 2>seventeen to twelve and three, Darius twenty seven and three,

0:32:48.600 --> 0:32:51.440
<v Speaker 2>like that you can live with. That is enough to

0:32:51.720 --> 0:32:53.600
<v Speaker 2>get us over the hump. I thought both of them

0:32:53.640 --> 0:32:56.760
<v Speaker 2>had good enough games. So I don't really feel like

0:32:57.840 --> 0:33:01.280
<v Speaker 2>it felt like Donovan's scoring really did still come kind

0:33:01.280 --> 0:33:04.719
<v Speaker 2>of within the flow of the offense. It didn't feel like, Okay,

0:33:04.920 --> 0:33:07.600
<v Speaker 2>we're standing around and watching. I thought there was enough

0:33:07.640 --> 0:33:10.920
<v Speaker 2>guys getting involved. I thought we were still being creative

0:33:11.080 --> 0:33:13.360
<v Speaker 2>with how we got him those looks. But if I

0:33:13.360 --> 0:33:15.080
<v Speaker 2>had to give you a thesis for why he has

0:33:15.120 --> 0:33:19.720
<v Speaker 2>success versus Boston compared to let's say, loud Dort, I

0:33:19.760 --> 0:33:23.800
<v Speaker 2>feel like Derek White and Drew Holiday, they move their

0:33:23.840 --> 0:33:26.480
<v Speaker 2>feet well, they try to poke at the ball and

0:33:26.880 --> 0:33:30.480
<v Speaker 2>kind of get steals and stay in good position, and

0:33:30.880 --> 0:33:32.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, do a good job of bodying you up.

0:33:33.520 --> 0:33:36.880
<v Speaker 2>Lou Dort, He's not letting you move like he's going

0:33:36.920 --> 0:33:40.520
<v Speaker 2>to draw some fouls. But that guy is like a linebacker.

0:33:40.560 --> 0:33:43.600
<v Speaker 2>He is impeding where you're trying to go on the

0:33:43.600 --> 0:33:46.560
<v Speaker 2>court and really disrupting you. I feel like Derek White

0:33:46.560 --> 0:33:50.280
<v Speaker 2>and Drew Holiday really trust their lateral quickness and aren't

0:33:50.320 --> 0:33:53.800
<v Speaker 2>looking to disrupt the dribble as frequently. So Mitchell's still

0:33:53.840 --> 0:33:55.960
<v Speaker 2>able to get to his spots, even Darius in the

0:33:56.200 --> 0:33:59.320
<v Speaker 2>kind of one guard lineup. That first run that we

0:33:59.480 --> 0:34:02.560
<v Speaker 2>had was with Mitchell out of the game, and Darius

0:34:02.600 --> 0:34:05.640
<v Speaker 2>basically had a six to zero runner himself where he

0:34:05.920 --> 0:34:10.320
<v Speaker 2>scored on Derek White and then created shots to assists.

0:34:10.320 --> 0:34:12.520
<v Speaker 2>I think it was to Max Drews and Jared Allen,

0:34:13.160 --> 0:34:15.600
<v Speaker 2>but you know, he was still kind of getting by

0:34:15.680 --> 0:34:16.280
<v Speaker 2>those guys.

0:34:16.280 --> 0:34:17.160
<v Speaker 1>And I just.

0:34:17.080 --> 0:34:20.320
<v Speaker 2>Feel like you are able to get to your spots

0:34:20.600 --> 0:34:23.440
<v Speaker 2>against the Boston guards in ways that you aren't able

0:34:23.480 --> 0:34:26.680
<v Speaker 2>to against the loudord or even a Jalen sucks. Remember

0:34:26.719 --> 0:34:28.960
<v Speaker 2>how different it felt coming off that Magic series.

0:34:29.040 --> 0:34:33.520
<v Speaker 1>Ball pressure the ball pressure is is really I think

0:34:33.520 --> 0:34:35.799
<v Speaker 1>he can knock Donnie out of his game a little bit,

0:34:35.880 --> 0:34:39.120
<v Speaker 1>and that's just not Boston style. They wait for you

0:34:39.200 --> 0:34:41.840
<v Speaker 1>to you know, it's like your older brother letting you

0:34:41.880 --> 0:34:44.920
<v Speaker 1>get past him and open the ball out from behind. Yeah.

0:34:44.960 --> 0:34:47.400
<v Speaker 1>I always was I would come for the block from behind.

0:34:47.400 --> 0:34:51.920
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, naturally, naturally, you scumbag older brother the worst,

0:34:52.280 --> 0:34:55.319
<v Speaker 1>the worst among us. I was getting chased downs long

0:34:55.360 --> 0:34:59.520
<v Speaker 1>before this pod buddy, I know. But you know, representing

0:34:59.520 --> 0:35:04.080
<v Speaker 1>the little others here, you know, I just think there

0:35:04.160 --> 0:35:06.600
<v Speaker 1>is a matchup thing with him where he just feels

0:35:06.640 --> 0:35:09.120
<v Speaker 1>really comfortable. I mean, he is now the all time

0:35:09.200 --> 0:35:13.880
<v Speaker 1>leading point scorer by per game average against the Boston Celtics,

0:35:14.239 --> 0:35:18.680
<v Speaker 1>sturt passing Michael Jordan as the only two guys that've

0:35:18.680 --> 0:35:22.560
<v Speaker 1>ever averaged thirty plus against the Celtics. He was freaking

0:35:22.640 --> 0:35:26.480
<v Speaker 1>phenomenal in that game. I wonder how they can handle

0:35:26.800 --> 0:35:31.560
<v Speaker 1>games where he's not phenomenal, because I do think we

0:35:32.560 --> 0:35:35.520
<v Speaker 1>need to talk a little bit about how Darius has played.

0:35:36.280 --> 0:35:38.200
<v Speaker 2>When you talk about how Darius is playing, and we

0:35:38.320 --> 0:35:40.319
<v Speaker 2>got to talk about as like you know that that

0:35:40.440 --> 0:35:43.920
<v Speaker 2>is one of my central frustrations of that matchup is

0:35:44.200 --> 0:35:47.360
<v Speaker 2>I'm annoyed Porzingis didn't play, like I get it. You know,

0:35:47.400 --> 0:35:50.000
<v Speaker 2>he at the flu. I don't believe he played today either.

0:35:50.600 --> 0:35:55.920
<v Speaker 2>Drew Holiday that that injury is probably fairly serious at

0:35:56.000 --> 0:35:57.680
<v Speaker 2>least it's going to cost him some time. So it's

0:35:57.680 --> 0:36:00.400
<v Speaker 2>not like that was gamesmanship, but it was knowing to

0:36:00.400 --> 0:36:03.600
<v Speaker 2>not have Porzingis out there because I wanted to see

0:36:03.600 --> 0:36:05.319
<v Speaker 2>what Evan could do there, right like. That was one

0:36:05.320 --> 0:36:07.160
<v Speaker 2>of the main things that we were trying to highlight,

0:36:07.239 --> 0:36:09.920
<v Speaker 2>and I think it's worth noting if you look at

0:36:09.960 --> 0:36:12.719
<v Speaker 2>kind of net ratings versus the Caves, Boston has a

0:36:12.760 --> 0:36:15.480
<v Speaker 2>negative nine net rating when Porzingis is on the court

0:36:15.640 --> 0:36:18.120
<v Speaker 2>versus Cleveland, even though we can't score on them, they

0:36:18.160 --> 0:36:21.239
<v Speaker 2>struggle offensively in those minutes. And when you look at

0:36:21.239 --> 0:36:24.720
<v Speaker 2>the Drew Holiday minutes minus ten net rating versus the Calves,

0:36:24.800 --> 0:36:28.600
<v Speaker 2>so on the one hand, you could say, hey, if

0:36:28.640 --> 0:36:31.360
<v Speaker 2>they were taking shots away from Jason Tatum and Jalen

0:36:31.400 --> 0:36:34.000
<v Speaker 2>Brown on one of their best combined scoring nights of

0:36:34.040 --> 0:36:36.680
<v Speaker 2>their entire career together, that probably would have been in

0:36:36.719 --> 0:36:39.640
<v Speaker 2>that positive. You could probably even argue, hey, this was

0:36:39.680 --> 0:36:42.880
<v Speaker 2>a you know, they've been net negatives versus the Cavs

0:36:42.920 --> 0:36:45.600
<v Speaker 2>this season. You can do all of those kind of arguments.

0:36:45.840 --> 0:36:50.040
<v Speaker 2>But from a fac collecting standpoint, I would have loved

0:36:50.080 --> 0:36:52.080
<v Speaker 2>to see them out there because that was one of

0:36:52.120 --> 0:36:54.080
<v Speaker 2>the main things I wanted to see. But you're right,

0:36:54.280 --> 0:36:57.000
<v Speaker 2>I think when it comes to Darius and his efficiency

0:36:57.000 --> 0:36:59.000
<v Speaker 2>against Boston, I think that is something that we need

0:36:59.040 --> 0:36:59.520
<v Speaker 2>to discuss.

0:37:00.080 --> 0:37:03.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I think every I think the impulse for

0:37:04.120 --> 0:37:08.320
<v Speaker 1>everyone has been to talk about Darius on the defensive

0:37:08.320 --> 0:37:13.160
<v Speaker 1>side of the floor. And I think you know, Tatum

0:37:13.200 --> 0:37:16.399
<v Speaker 1>took two field goal attempts against him yesterday, I'm sorry,

0:37:16.440 --> 0:37:20.640
<v Speaker 1>two days ago. Jalen definitely got more in. Jalen, by

0:37:20.640 --> 0:37:23.160
<v Speaker 1>the way, scares me much more on a switch than Tatum.

0:37:23.719 --> 0:37:26.799
<v Speaker 1>He'll just bury guys and go all the way to

0:37:26.840 --> 0:37:30.040
<v Speaker 1>the rim or get so damn close that he's taking

0:37:30.040 --> 0:37:35.600
<v Speaker 1>a midi from float range basically, and you know he's

0:37:35.760 --> 0:37:39.880
<v Speaker 1>he's a much nastier, I think, switch attacker than Tatum,

0:37:40.280 --> 0:37:47.480
<v Speaker 1>who tends to That's that's one of the biggest differences. Yeah, However,

0:37:48.680 --> 0:37:52.719
<v Speaker 1>Boston had in the in the forty three minutes following

0:37:53.239 --> 0:37:56.000
<v Speaker 1>the you know, the insane explosion to start the game

0:37:56.840 --> 0:37:59.759
<v Speaker 1>where they get seven of their first nine three point attempts.

0:38:00.960 --> 0:38:05.000
<v Speaker 1>Boston mustard a one to twelve offensive rating that is

0:38:05.160 --> 0:38:10.080
<v Speaker 1>well below their season average, and it's very important that

0:38:10.160 --> 0:38:13.680
<v Speaker 1>the Cavs be able to outscore one to twelve per

0:38:13.680 --> 0:38:18.920
<v Speaker 1>one hundred possessions. That's with Tatum and Brown taking sixty

0:38:19.000 --> 0:38:26.400
<v Speaker 1>one field goal attempts, the defense held up and I'm up,

0:38:26.880 --> 0:38:29.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm watching the game, two guys. It doesn't feel good

0:38:30.280 --> 0:38:35.200
<v Speaker 1>to watch Darius get beat up on some of these possessions.

0:38:35.280 --> 0:38:38.439
<v Speaker 1>And they did start making some tweaks in the fourth

0:38:38.480 --> 0:38:40.600
<v Speaker 1>quarter that I want to talk about later, But like,

0:38:40.719 --> 0:38:45.239
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't feel good to watch Tatum, you know, put

0:38:45.239 --> 0:38:50.120
<v Speaker 1>his shoulder into Darius's chest and knock him back five

0:38:50.160 --> 0:38:53.200
<v Speaker 1>feet and hit him MIDI over him, or even bury

0:38:53.239 --> 0:38:55.440
<v Speaker 1>him and get all the way to the rim before

0:38:55.520 --> 0:39:00.200
<v Speaker 1>help can come. That doesn't feel good. I don't care.

0:39:00.680 --> 0:39:03.640
<v Speaker 1>The only thing I care about is the points per

0:39:03.840 --> 0:39:07.840
<v Speaker 1>one hundred possessions. I care about how efficient their offense is.

0:39:08.360 --> 0:39:13.759
<v Speaker 1>And their office wasn't that freaking efficient two nights ago. Yeah,

0:39:14.000 --> 0:39:18.160
<v Speaker 1>so until the and I thought, and I was waiting.

0:39:18.680 --> 0:39:21.400
<v Speaker 1>Sorry to monologue a little bit here, man, but I

0:39:21.560 --> 0:39:26.919
<v Speaker 1>was waiting for the Tatum explosion game, in the Brown

0:39:26.960 --> 0:39:30.320
<v Speaker 1>Explosion game, because in the first three matchups, I kept saying,

0:39:30.800 --> 0:39:33.279
<v Speaker 1>I'm fine with this strategy, even though it doesn't look good,

0:39:33.360 --> 0:39:36.279
<v Speaker 1>even though the worst case scenario is those guys go

0:39:36.360 --> 0:39:40.200
<v Speaker 1>off for like sixty points on you. Well, it happened,

0:39:40.200 --> 0:39:42.439
<v Speaker 1>and they still didn't score that efficiently justin.

0:39:43.040 --> 0:39:45.840
<v Speaker 2>And the funny thing was it largely happened on Jared

0:39:45.880 --> 0:39:48.440
<v Speaker 2>and Nevian like they were hitting a lot of shots

0:39:48.640 --> 0:39:51.719
<v Speaker 2>over the bigs where it's like it did seem like

0:39:52.320 --> 0:39:55.359
<v Speaker 2>the broadcast was waiting to make the Darius point and

0:39:55.400 --> 0:39:58.760
<v Speaker 2>Tatum only hit one shot on him all evening. There

0:39:58.840 --> 0:40:00.840
<v Speaker 2>was a few possessions. I agree with you. I think

0:40:01.040 --> 0:40:03.480
<v Speaker 2>the Brown one is tougher for Darius on those switches

0:40:03.560 --> 0:40:06.520
<v Speaker 2>because he's really going to continue to work his way through.

0:40:06.600 --> 0:40:08.759
<v Speaker 2>He's going to elbow his way to the rim. And

0:40:09.040 --> 0:40:11.200
<v Speaker 2>there's a couple of times where Darius held his ground.

0:40:11.239 --> 0:40:14.600
<v Speaker 2>Well Brown missed the shot and but got the offensive rebound.

0:40:15.040 --> 0:40:17.560
<v Speaker 2>You got to make sure that you're cleaning up those possessions.

0:40:18.040 --> 0:40:20.000
<v Speaker 2>But I thought Darius did a good job. Like there's

0:40:20.400 --> 0:40:24.240
<v Speaker 2>a difference between him getting targeted because he's the shortest

0:40:24.239 --> 0:40:26.840
<v Speaker 2>guy on the court and everybody else. You know, he

0:40:26.960 --> 0:40:30.879
<v Speaker 2>is largely good defenders. I think you still see them

0:40:30.880 --> 0:40:33.239
<v Speaker 2>target Donovan in the same way when he's the loan

0:40:33.320 --> 0:40:35.680
<v Speaker 2>guard out there. That's what Boston's going to do. They

0:40:35.680 --> 0:40:38.239
<v Speaker 2>are a heavy ISO team. They try to get the

0:40:38.840 --> 0:40:41.520
<v Speaker 2>advantage of switches and they're going to go at the

0:40:41.840 --> 0:40:45.080
<v Speaker 2>smaller guards. There's a difference between that and like attacking

0:40:45.120 --> 0:40:48.400
<v Speaker 2>Tray Young who's offering you know, clean paths to the basket,

0:40:48.800 --> 0:40:52.000
<v Speaker 2>getting you know, blowing by Lukadanca geezily because he's not

0:40:52.040 --> 0:40:54.640
<v Speaker 2>trying on the defensive end, That's not what this is.

0:40:55.000 --> 0:40:57.680
<v Speaker 2>If you're talking about a not good mid range shooter

0:40:57.760 --> 0:41:01.120
<v Speaker 2>taking not great shots over darre and the health defense

0:41:01.200 --> 0:41:03.080
<v Speaker 2>is going to be there if he gets to the rim.

0:41:03.440 --> 0:41:05.879
<v Speaker 2>I will continue to live with that, but I do

0:41:06.000 --> 0:41:08.560
<v Speaker 2>wonder what type of impact that that has, you know,

0:41:08.760 --> 0:41:11.640
<v Speaker 2>on Garland's efficiency too, right, because he's taken a pounding

0:41:11.680 --> 0:41:14.719
<v Speaker 2>out there, and you know, maybe there's some correlation there.

0:41:14.800 --> 0:41:19.360
<v Speaker 2>Maybe it's you know, just happens to be what's happened,

0:41:19.400 --> 0:41:22.000
<v Speaker 2>so far this season. I do think, you know, Drew

0:41:22.040 --> 0:41:24.960
<v Speaker 2>Holiday and Derek White are terrific defensive guards. They're going

0:41:25.000 --> 0:41:28.120
<v Speaker 2>to make things tough. Carter, If you had to, yes,

0:41:28.600 --> 0:41:30.479
<v Speaker 2>what do you think Darius is shooting on wide open

0:41:30.480 --> 0:41:31.880
<v Speaker 2>threes versus Boston this season?

0:41:33.200 --> 0:41:36.640
<v Speaker 1>Bad would be my guest. I'm going to say thirty.

0:41:37.719 --> 0:41:40.320
<v Speaker 1>He is shooting forty one percent on wide open threes

0:41:40.800 --> 0:41:43.239
<v Speaker 1>versus Boston this year. That's disappointing.

0:41:43.480 --> 0:41:46.719
<v Speaker 2>And that's over four attempts a game. If you want

0:41:46.719 --> 0:41:49.440
<v Speaker 2>to take out that, and that's with that awful, awful

0:41:49.480 --> 0:41:52.680
<v Speaker 2>game where you know he missed everything. If you're taking

0:41:52.719 --> 0:41:54.800
<v Speaker 2>that game out of the mix, it's forty four percent.

0:41:54.880 --> 0:41:57.440
<v Speaker 2>He's shooting really, really well on those What do you

0:41:57.480 --> 0:42:00.799
<v Speaker 2>want to guess he's shooting on contested threes, like very

0:42:00.840 --> 0:42:05.759
<v Speaker 2>tight coverage threes versus Boston this season, zero sixty seven

0:42:05.800 --> 0:42:08.840
<v Speaker 2>percent on those tightly contested.

0:42:08.400 --> 0:42:11.000
<v Speaker 1>Threes, shooting thirty three percent overall.

0:42:11.760 --> 0:42:14.520
<v Speaker 2>Know where he's really struggling. And this matches my eye test.

0:42:14.560 --> 0:42:16.879
<v Speaker 2>I was thrilled that these numbers match my ad tests.

0:42:17.200 --> 0:42:20.560
<v Speaker 2>Those late contests, those you know, four to six feet

0:42:20.600 --> 0:42:24.360
<v Speaker 2>away range, I noticed that all of those against Boston

0:42:24.520 --> 0:42:28.000
<v Speaker 2>were long in this game. It was like he was thinking, Okay,

0:42:28.360 --> 0:42:31.720
<v Speaker 2>do I attack, do I pull? Like those in between

0:42:31.760 --> 0:42:35.080
<v Speaker 2>shots versus Boston, He's shooting zero percent on those threes.

0:42:35.440 --> 0:42:38.120
<v Speaker 2>He's missed every single one of those threes. Now, why

0:42:38.160 --> 0:42:40.880
<v Speaker 2>don't you have that at the ready? I don't have

0:42:40.960 --> 0:42:42.719
<v Speaker 2>that at the ready. I can look that up for you,

0:42:43.239 --> 0:42:46.640
<v Speaker 2>but I know he's take the wide open ones. Uh

0:42:47.040 --> 0:42:50.240
<v Speaker 2>four point three attempts. He's hitting those wide open ones. Well,

0:42:50.600 --> 0:42:53.279
<v Speaker 2>it's the in between game where he's shooting twenty four

0:42:53.320 --> 0:42:56.240
<v Speaker 2>percent from the floor and zero percent from three.

0:42:56.719 --> 0:43:00.279
<v Speaker 1>Well, that that just tracks with the overall Darius experience

0:43:00.280 --> 0:43:02.680
<v Speaker 1>against Boston. I feel like they speed him up. Man.

0:43:04.239 --> 0:43:08.640
<v Speaker 1>I feel like the floaters are are coming a bit,

0:43:08.800 --> 0:43:11.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, a half beat early or a half beat late,

0:43:12.120 --> 0:43:16.200
<v Speaker 1>as opposed to their perfect, you know, indecisive times. I

0:43:16.360 --> 0:43:18.919
<v Speaker 1>notice he's short arning arming a lot of them, which

0:43:19.000 --> 0:43:21.719
<v Speaker 1>is like a dead giveaway. So he's rushing. He's just

0:43:21.760 --> 0:43:24.600
<v Speaker 1>trying to get him out before the help comes in. Blocks,

0:43:26.000 --> 0:43:29.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, putting some layups off glass too hard and

0:43:29.040 --> 0:43:33.120
<v Speaker 1>then they're rimming out. I just I haven't seen the

0:43:33.160 --> 0:43:37.160
<v Speaker 1>scoring efficiency, and that's why I think if the Cavs

0:43:37.200 --> 0:43:40.520
<v Speaker 1>have a Darius Garland problem against the Boston Celtics right now.

0:43:40.800 --> 0:43:44.440
<v Speaker 1>I actually think if I'm Kenny Atkinson, this coaching staff,

0:43:44.440 --> 0:43:47.799
<v Speaker 1>and I'm Darius Garland, I am worried much more about

0:43:47.840 --> 0:43:52.160
<v Speaker 1>the offense because if he is playing his normal at

0:43:52.200 --> 0:43:56.600
<v Speaker 1>his normal Darius Garland level, then I am even more

0:43:56.680 --> 0:44:01.040
<v Speaker 1>confident that they can weather the storm with him. Defensively,

0:44:01.760 --> 0:44:05.799
<v Speaker 1>I think it gets harder to justify the aesthetics of

0:44:05.840 --> 0:44:09.680
<v Speaker 1>what we're watching if he is as he currently is,

0:44:09.960 --> 0:44:13.160
<v Speaker 1>shooting thirty three percent from the field, thirty three percent

0:44:13.200 --> 0:44:18.160
<v Speaker 1>from three uh and taking more field goal attempts than

0:44:18.160 --> 0:44:21.360
<v Speaker 1>his points per game. He's averaging nineteen field goal attempts

0:44:21.400 --> 0:44:24.880
<v Speaker 1>in his four games, he is averaging eighteen point eight points.

0:44:25.440 --> 0:44:28.960
<v Speaker 1>Last two nights ago, he had twenty points on twenty

0:44:28.960 --> 0:44:32.759
<v Speaker 1>three field goal attempts, and it's like, well, if we're

0:44:32.800 --> 0:44:36.520
<v Speaker 1>not going to get you know, peake, Darius, I understand

0:44:36.560 --> 0:44:41.239
<v Speaker 1>why you might be worried about this matchup, because the

0:44:41.280 --> 0:44:44.880
<v Speaker 1>whole value of him, of the value proposition, gets harder

0:44:45.200 --> 0:44:50.040
<v Speaker 1>to work with. And he's been great against physical defenses. Yep.

0:44:50.480 --> 0:44:55.120
<v Speaker 1>He killed Oklahoma City in that win against some of

0:44:55.160 --> 0:44:59.360
<v Speaker 1>the best guard defenders in the NBA. But he's got

0:44:59.360 --> 0:45:03.040
<v Speaker 1>to figure out out how he's going to kill Boston.

0:45:03.960 --> 0:45:07.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to I'm not including last I'm not going

0:45:07.040 --> 0:45:09.279
<v Speaker 1>to include last year's playoff series as part of this

0:45:09.400 --> 0:45:12.960
<v Speaker 1>sample because I just don't think he was himself. But

0:45:14.120 --> 0:45:17.120
<v Speaker 1>I haven't seen a track record of him figure this

0:45:17.160 --> 0:45:20.640
<v Speaker 1>out yet. And he's and you and if you're listening

0:45:20.680 --> 0:45:22.600
<v Speaker 1>to this, you know we are like the biggest pro

0:45:22.719 --> 0:45:27.200
<v Speaker 1>Darius podcast out there. He has to be himself if

0:45:27.200 --> 0:45:29.960
<v Speaker 1>they want to win a series against the Boston Celtics.

0:45:30.480 --> 0:45:32.680
<v Speaker 2>To answer your question, those in between shots, oh of

0:45:32.719 --> 0:45:36.480
<v Speaker 2>seven on those, and it's actually higher on the wide

0:45:36.480 --> 0:45:38.279
<v Speaker 2>open ones. If you take out that first game, he's

0:45:38.280 --> 0:45:41.279
<v Speaker 2>shooting fifty four percent on wide open threes seven to

0:45:41.360 --> 0:45:46.040
<v Speaker 2>thirteen after that first game against Boston. So it really

0:45:46.080 --> 0:45:48.319
<v Speaker 2>does match the eye tests, Like I think, the fact

0:45:48.360 --> 0:45:53.040
<v Speaker 2>that he is finishing well on tightly contested shots and

0:45:53.120 --> 0:45:57.719
<v Speaker 2>he is finishing well on wide open shots, that to me,

0:45:57.960 --> 0:46:01.399
<v Speaker 2>tracks like that is what I'm seeing against Boston. It's

0:46:01.440 --> 0:46:04.279
<v Speaker 2>the in between where I feel like he's pressing where

0:46:04.280 --> 0:46:07.560
<v Speaker 2>it's should I pull, and then when he decides to pull,

0:46:07.719 --> 0:46:11.239
<v Speaker 2>it's a half beat too slow, and he rushes the shot.

0:46:11.280 --> 0:46:14.040
<v Speaker 2>He rushes the floater. We saw some in those earlier

0:46:14.040 --> 0:46:17.200
<v Speaker 2>matchups where the floaters are hitting the back rim. The

0:46:17.280 --> 0:46:20.040
<v Speaker 2>three pointers that you know hit the back rim. He's

0:46:20.080 --> 0:46:22.640
<v Speaker 2>someone that has great touch, And I think that that

0:46:22.800 --> 0:46:26.600
<v Speaker 2>is one of those spots where I don't think that

0:46:26.600 --> 0:46:29.439
<v Speaker 2>that reflects being scared of the moment, because he's very

0:46:29.440 --> 0:46:32.480
<v Speaker 2>clearly still being assertive. He's taking those shots in clutch time.

0:46:32.560 --> 0:46:35.920
<v Speaker 2>He's not passing up open looks. I think that that

0:46:36.120 --> 0:46:39.000
<v Speaker 2>is a ready for the moment question of do you

0:46:39.200 --> 0:46:43.320
<v Speaker 2>can you maintain the composure against the defense that specifically

0:46:43.400 --> 0:46:46.879
<v Speaker 2>is trying to rush you, that is trying to make

0:46:46.960 --> 0:46:50.960
<v Speaker 2>you second guess. He needs to be consistently assertive and

0:46:51.080 --> 0:46:55.000
<v Speaker 2>attack those late closeout situations. He needs to attack when

0:46:55.040 --> 0:46:56.920
<v Speaker 2>it's four to six feet away and you have that

0:46:56.960 --> 0:47:00.600
<v Speaker 2>open three, do not hesitate take that shot. But to

0:47:00.640 --> 0:47:04.200
<v Speaker 2>me overall, when I'm looking at these numbers, I like seeing,

0:47:04.360 --> 0:47:06.879
<v Speaker 2>you know that he's shooting fifty four percent on those

0:47:06.880 --> 0:47:10.839
<v Speaker 2>open looks after that first game and forty overall. Right,

0:47:11.200 --> 0:47:14.480
<v Speaker 2>I like that that he's finishing well when he's contested,

0:47:14.480 --> 0:47:17.919
<v Speaker 2>because I think when someone's contesting you and there it's

0:47:17.960 --> 0:47:20.080
<v Speaker 2>tight coverage. You got, you know, Derek White on your

0:47:20.120 --> 0:47:22.279
<v Speaker 2>hip or whatever the case may be. You know what

0:47:22.320 --> 0:47:26.120
<v Speaker 2>you're supposed to do there, right, Like, if enough defense collapses,

0:47:26.160 --> 0:47:28.799
<v Speaker 2>he's going to make the right pass. Seven assists to

0:47:28.840 --> 0:47:31.320
<v Speaker 2>one turnover. That's what you want to see against Boston.

0:47:31.800 --> 0:47:34.479
<v Speaker 2>If you're finishing, you know, like, all right, I'm going

0:47:34.560 --> 0:47:36.840
<v Speaker 2>up with the shot. There's no indecision in that spot.

0:47:37.280 --> 0:47:40.440
<v Speaker 2>It's the in between spots that I am noticing that

0:47:40.520 --> 0:47:43.120
<v Speaker 2>he is rushing his decision making. And I think that

0:47:43.120 --> 0:47:44.360
<v Speaker 2>that comes down to composure.

0:47:44.920 --> 0:47:47.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think. I don't know. Maybe it's so a

0:47:47.360 --> 0:47:50.400
<v Speaker 1>bit of wanting it too much. Maybe it's that you know,

0:47:50.640 --> 0:47:53.680
<v Speaker 1>just leaning, you know, a little bit of regression to

0:47:54.000 --> 0:47:58.080
<v Speaker 1>past bad habits. But I do think it matters. I

0:47:58.400 --> 0:48:01.600
<v Speaker 1>do think that you you need to see this because

0:48:02.280 --> 0:48:04.840
<v Speaker 1>he just gets hard to justify the defensive pain and

0:48:04.920 --> 0:48:11.320
<v Speaker 1>the nots you're putting yourself in defensively to help to accommodate,

0:48:12.360 --> 0:48:15.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, the size disadvantage you have when he's not

0:48:15.600 --> 0:48:18.040
<v Speaker 1>scoring officially on his end. So I do think a

0:48:18.080 --> 0:48:20.080
<v Speaker 1>lot of that stuff, I won't care. I don't think

0:48:20.120 --> 0:48:23.319
<v Speaker 1>the aesthetics will ever be good with Boston because they

0:48:23.360 --> 0:48:25.879
<v Speaker 1>are mismatch hunters. But I do want to just get

0:48:25.920 --> 0:48:26.319
<v Speaker 1>back to.

0:48:26.400 --> 0:48:28.960
<v Speaker 2>What can I just say if they go ahead, if

0:48:28.960 --> 0:48:31.359
<v Speaker 2>we're looking at the last three games against Boston, because

0:48:31.480 --> 0:48:33.840
<v Speaker 2>the first one, you know, he was gassed and he said,

0:48:33.960 --> 0:48:35.719
<v Speaker 2>you know, they have to give him a game off

0:48:35.760 --> 0:48:38.759
<v Speaker 2>and it was just an off off night. Does it

0:48:38.880 --> 0:48:42.400
<v Speaker 2>sway you at all that in the following three games,

0:48:42.760 --> 0:48:45.319
<v Speaker 2>he's averaging twenty two points per game. He's shooting forty

0:48:45.320 --> 0:48:47.439
<v Speaker 2>percent from the field and forty three percent from three

0:48:47.520 --> 0:48:48.480
<v Speaker 2>versus Boston.

0:48:49.640 --> 0:48:52.160
<v Speaker 1>Not that much. I think he's I still don't think

0:48:52.160 --> 0:48:56.600
<v Speaker 1>he's been at his level. I think the win he.

0:48:56.760 --> 0:49:02.600
<v Speaker 2>Was, Yeah, But I just feel like I feel like

0:49:02.640 --> 0:49:05.640
<v Speaker 2>you're not going to get Darius at his level consistently

0:49:05.680 --> 0:49:08.520
<v Speaker 2>in a series against Boston. Like I think, bottom line here,

0:49:08.520 --> 0:49:11.920
<v Speaker 2>you're going to have below your season averages there. But

0:49:11.960 --> 0:49:14.960
<v Speaker 2>if I'm getting twenty two and six on forty forty

0:49:15.000 --> 0:49:18.840
<v Speaker 2>three shooting and he's not turning the ball over, I

0:49:19.600 --> 0:49:22.719
<v Speaker 2>think that that I think you can win with that.

0:49:23.239 --> 0:49:26.399
<v Speaker 2>If I want what you're supposed to from Donovan and Nevin.

0:49:26.440 --> 0:49:28.520
<v Speaker 1>Maybe we're not going to see him at an A

0:49:28.680 --> 0:49:32.360
<v Speaker 1>plus a lot, I think he needs to find his

0:49:32.440 --> 0:49:34.680
<v Speaker 1>way to a B plus. I don't think he has

0:49:34.760 --> 0:49:37.920
<v Speaker 1>hit a B plus game yet against Boston. And I

0:49:38.000 --> 0:49:42.279
<v Speaker 1>know that seems like a persnickety distinction to make, but

0:49:42.480 --> 0:49:46.000
<v Speaker 1>like I do think it matters, and I think there

0:49:46.040 --> 0:49:48.439
<v Speaker 1>are margins against a team that's good are so thin

0:49:49.680 --> 0:49:53.640
<v Speaker 1>that there's also the just the rising tide effect that

0:49:53.719 --> 0:49:56.760
<v Speaker 1>Darius has that no one else on this team has.

0:49:57.080 --> 0:50:00.800
<v Speaker 1>No one else affects this team's overall off offensive health

0:50:01.160 --> 0:50:04.040
<v Speaker 1>like Darius Garland. There's a reason the whole team looked

0:50:04.080 --> 0:50:06.960
<v Speaker 1>like they were playing in the mud today because Darius

0:50:07.000 --> 0:50:10.360
<v Speaker 1>was having an awful game and couldn't get that and

0:50:10.440 --> 0:50:15.480
<v Speaker 1>the machine wasn't wasn't humming, like the key conductor for

0:50:15.520 --> 0:50:19.120
<v Speaker 1>the for the train wasn't making sure all everything was going.

0:50:19.200 --> 0:50:21.960
<v Speaker 1>So that's why the B plus thing matters more with

0:50:22.080 --> 0:50:25.880
<v Speaker 1>him than like if you were to say, party you

0:50:25.880 --> 0:50:30.399
<v Speaker 1>can have seven B plus games from Darius or Evan

0:50:30.480 --> 0:50:33.319
<v Speaker 1>against Boston and the other guy is going to flex

0:50:33.360 --> 0:50:35.600
<v Speaker 1>weight between like a C plus and a B minus.

0:50:35.760 --> 0:50:39.359
<v Speaker 1>I might still pick Darius, I really, and I know

0:50:39.440 --> 0:50:43.239
<v Speaker 1>that's a I know that's a I know that would

0:50:43.280 --> 0:50:45.520
<v Speaker 1>probably be a controversial take, that would probably put me

0:50:45.560 --> 0:50:50.440
<v Speaker 1>in the minority. But I think Evans baseline is so

0:50:50.560 --> 0:50:52.840
<v Speaker 1>much higher because we can do on defense how he

0:50:52.880 --> 0:50:56.560
<v Speaker 1>can duck in and how he can have he can

0:50:57.120 --> 0:51:01.480
<v Speaker 1>ruin games in a six minute stretch like he had

0:51:02.600 --> 0:51:06.360
<v Speaker 1>like he had two days ago, Whereas I think for

0:51:06.480 --> 0:51:09.359
<v Speaker 1>the overall health of how the offense is functioning, if

0:51:09.440 --> 0:51:12.440
<v Speaker 1>Darius is cooking, I just feel so good about everyone

0:51:12.440 --> 0:51:16.240
<v Speaker 1>else's ability to eat just by being around. Yeah.

0:51:16.360 --> 0:51:19.600
<v Speaker 2>No, I think there's validity to that, and I think

0:51:19.640 --> 0:51:22.520
<v Speaker 2>that there is room for growth. I like that he's

0:51:22.560 --> 0:51:24.719
<v Speaker 2>not scared of the matchup, that he is continuing to

0:51:24.719 --> 0:51:27.680
<v Speaker 2>be aggressive. I like the fact, you know that he

0:51:27.760 --> 0:51:29.759
<v Speaker 2>hit those shots at the end of the game. I

0:51:29.800 --> 0:51:32.239
<v Speaker 2>think it's really going to come down to settling down.

0:51:32.320 --> 0:51:35.799
<v Speaker 2>And you know, I hate bringing this up because I

0:51:35.840 --> 0:51:39.359
<v Speaker 2>think all four games did start with the Cavs having

0:51:39.360 --> 0:51:42.839
<v Speaker 2>a slow start, and I think that is something that

0:51:43.160 --> 0:51:45.359
<v Speaker 2>we need to keep an eye on, right that you

0:51:45.400 --> 0:51:47.960
<v Speaker 2>can't have that happen in a playoff series where you

0:51:48.000 --> 0:51:50.839
<v Speaker 2>are putting yourself behind the eight ball to start, you know,

0:51:51.160 --> 0:51:55.040
<v Speaker 2>every game, to start a series. I do think that

0:51:55.120 --> 0:51:57.480
<v Speaker 2>there's maybe something to the fact that the last two

0:51:57.560 --> 0:52:00.720
<v Speaker 2>games were particularly rough, and both of them were coming

0:52:00.719 --> 0:52:03.800
<v Speaker 2>off of forty point wins. They beat Dallas by forty

0:52:03.840 --> 0:52:06.640
<v Speaker 2>three prior to the previous game, you beat Orlando by

0:52:06.680 --> 0:52:10.760
<v Speaker 2>forty and you're playing, you know, very loose. You don't

0:52:10.760 --> 0:52:13.279
<v Speaker 2>have to play as focused, And I'm interested what that

0:52:13.320 --> 0:52:15.960
<v Speaker 2>adjustment looks like going into a playoff series. But it

0:52:16.000 --> 0:52:18.600
<v Speaker 2>could go the other way, right, Like, you know, you

0:52:19.080 --> 0:52:21.120
<v Speaker 2>may not have the good vibes, you might be coming

0:52:21.160 --> 0:52:24.000
<v Speaker 2>off a tough playoff series and you tighten up even

0:52:24.080 --> 0:52:26.800
<v Speaker 2>more against Boston. I think that this is a trend

0:52:26.840 --> 0:52:30.040
<v Speaker 2>that is legitimate. I don't think it is, you know,

0:52:30.480 --> 0:52:33.880
<v Speaker 2>context dependent on those two I hate bringing it up,

0:52:33.920 --> 0:52:35.520
<v Speaker 2>but it is something that was in the back of

0:52:35.560 --> 0:52:37.960
<v Speaker 2>my mind of you almost want to be in a

0:52:38.040 --> 0:52:40.560
<v Speaker 2>rhythm going in and I feel like those types of

0:52:40.560 --> 0:52:42.760
<v Speaker 2>wins take you out of that rhythm entirely.

0:52:43.400 --> 0:52:46.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think there is something to that. It's always

0:52:46.840 --> 0:52:50.680
<v Speaker 1>a weird oh we're playing in a different sport now,

0:52:51.200 --> 0:52:53.560
<v Speaker 1>a ramp up, Like we always felt that about the

0:52:53.560 --> 0:52:56.480
<v Speaker 1>Cabs in the finals, when they would just romp through

0:52:56.520 --> 0:52:58.879
<v Speaker 1>the Eastern Conference and then all of a sudden they'd

0:52:58.920 --> 0:53:02.920
<v Speaker 1>have to go play the Warriors death machine, and it's like, oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa,

0:53:03.000 --> 0:53:05.640
<v Speaker 1>slow down, We're we're getting up to speed here, fellas.

0:53:05.920 --> 0:53:06.920
<v Speaker 1>And the most.

0:53:06.880 --> 0:53:09.320
<v Speaker 2>Damaged Toronto would do to us in a playoff series

0:53:09.400 --> 0:53:13.040
<v Speaker 2>was getting us used to attacking Demarta Rozen and Jonnas Malencunas.

0:53:12.960 --> 0:53:15.719
<v Speaker 1>Did the Did the Cavs win a single game one

0:53:15.800 --> 0:53:18.640
<v Speaker 1>against the Warriors in any of those four finals? No,

0:53:19.200 --> 0:53:23.120
<v Speaker 1>I didn't think, so oh no, no, we don't. No, no,

0:53:23.239 --> 0:53:25.919
<v Speaker 1>they didn't. So uh, you know, I do think there's

0:53:25.960 --> 0:53:28.360
<v Speaker 1>a little bit of that that comes into this. Obviously,

0:53:28.440 --> 0:53:31.360
<v Speaker 1>it's not a not a great excuse. I hope the

0:53:31.360 --> 0:53:35.680
<v Speaker 1>players wouldn't make that excuse. No, and I don't mean

0:53:35.680 --> 0:53:38.160
<v Speaker 1>it as that. I know, I know you're not trying it.

0:53:38.880 --> 0:53:43.960
<v Speaker 1>We're just we're just evaluating everything across the board. I

0:53:44.000 --> 0:53:48.000
<v Speaker 1>do want to talk about my favorite squeak or my

0:53:48.160 --> 0:53:53.600
<v Speaker 1>favorite learning from the game, which is that after the

0:53:53.640 --> 0:53:56.839
<v Speaker 1>Calves won the second game of the series. I mean,

0:53:56.920 --> 0:54:00.440
<v Speaker 1>you got on this podcast and we both we both

0:54:00.880 --> 0:54:05.000
<v Speaker 1>defended and agreed with the switching philosophy, even if Darius

0:54:05.040 --> 0:54:08.359
<v Speaker 1>was gonna get beat up in the process. But you

0:54:08.480 --> 0:54:12.440
<v Speaker 1>said I want to see them fight over screens a

0:54:12.440 --> 0:54:18.280
<v Speaker 1>little bit harder, And I said, that sounds nice in theory,

0:54:18.440 --> 0:54:23.520
<v Speaker 1>but it does open you up to slips, to miscommunications

0:54:23.840 --> 0:54:26.560
<v Speaker 1>and those both those things kill you against this Boston

0:54:26.600 --> 0:54:29.600
<v Speaker 1>team and gets there, you know, because when you mess

0:54:29.640 --> 0:54:32.480
<v Speaker 1>those exchanges up, you put two on the ball and

0:54:32.520 --> 0:54:37.040
<v Speaker 1>then all of a sudden, the Boston three point machine

0:54:37.520 --> 0:54:41.439
<v Speaker 1>is cranked up. So I pushed back, and I felt

0:54:41.480 --> 0:54:43.600
<v Speaker 1>like we left it in a pretty good place and

0:54:43.760 --> 0:54:46.280
<v Speaker 1>through Game three and through I felt like three quarters

0:54:46.280 --> 0:54:51.280
<v Speaker 1>of Game four mostly still the soft switch. So Darius's

0:54:51.320 --> 0:54:53.560
<v Speaker 1>man comes up in screens for one of the Jays

0:54:54.080 --> 0:54:56.880
<v Speaker 1>and they just kind of do a pass off. Fourth quarter,

0:54:57.000 --> 0:55:00.520
<v Speaker 1>I felt like things changed and guys started fight over

0:55:00.840 --> 0:55:04.760
<v Speaker 1>screens just a little bit, or to force a re screen,

0:55:05.239 --> 0:55:07.600
<v Speaker 1>or to force the ball handler to pick up the

0:55:07.600 --> 0:55:10.920
<v Speaker 1>ball and hit an outlet and have the Cavs defense

0:55:11.160 --> 0:55:15.719
<v Speaker 1>scrambling back. And I thought it mostly led to good results.

0:55:17.040 --> 0:55:19.600
<v Speaker 1>And I just wanted to if you had noticed that,

0:55:19.920 --> 0:55:22.279
<v Speaker 1>what you thought about that that tweak, because it is

0:55:22.640 --> 0:55:26.000
<v Speaker 1>I feel like the first major defensive tweak we've seen

0:55:26.040 --> 0:55:28.320
<v Speaker 1>from Kenny in this season series.

0:55:28.880 --> 0:55:31.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I liked it when I saw it at

0:55:32.000 --> 0:55:34.319
<v Speaker 2>the end of Game two. That is something that I

0:55:34.360 --> 0:55:37.760
<v Speaker 2>have circled on. You know that I'm thinking about of

0:55:38.480 --> 0:55:40.840
<v Speaker 2>not showing your cards in the regular season, but something

0:55:40.840 --> 0:55:43.919
<v Speaker 2>we might see in the playoffs. I think when you

0:55:44.000 --> 0:55:47.399
<v Speaker 2>are when you have a mentality of we're okay if

0:55:47.440 --> 0:55:49.480
<v Speaker 2>you do force the switch, We're going to make you

0:55:49.520 --> 0:55:52.600
<v Speaker 2>force it. We're not going to give you this off switching.

0:55:52.640 --> 0:55:55.640
<v Speaker 2>We trust our guys to fight around screens, and honestly,

0:55:55.800 --> 0:55:58.160
<v Speaker 2>I think you can. I think DeAndre Hunter does a

0:55:58.160 --> 0:56:00.720
<v Speaker 2>good job of screen navigation. I think I think Darius

0:56:00.920 --> 0:56:03.640
<v Speaker 2>has done it really improved as a screen navigator. I

0:56:03.640 --> 0:56:06.520
<v Speaker 2>think Donovan's doing a good job. I think Sam Merrill

0:56:06.680 --> 0:56:10.000
<v Speaker 2>does a good job of that. Isaacokorro for years has

0:56:10.040 --> 0:56:13.200
<v Speaker 2>some of the best screen navigation metrics in the league. Defensively,

0:56:13.840 --> 0:56:17.160
<v Speaker 2>I think you have the personnel to do that. If

0:56:17.200 --> 0:56:19.960
<v Speaker 2>your mentality is, hey, we're going to make you really

0:56:20.000 --> 0:56:23.640
<v Speaker 2>fight to earn that, I think that that completely changes

0:56:23.680 --> 0:56:28.239
<v Speaker 2>the complexion of what this series is. Defensively, Austin can

0:56:28.320 --> 0:56:30.480
<v Speaker 2>take advantage of it at times. Right like that, you

0:56:30.920 --> 0:56:33.439
<v Speaker 2>open yourselves up to counters in that spot, you open

0:56:33.480 --> 0:56:36.239
<v Speaker 2>yourself up the slips, you open up yourself to to

0:56:36.520 --> 0:56:39.239
<v Speaker 2>you know, the basketball IQ of the Celtics, but I

0:56:39.280 --> 0:56:42.960
<v Speaker 2>think having that as the primary kind of look. And

0:56:43.320 --> 0:56:46.200
<v Speaker 2>you know, if Tatum does eventually force the switch on

0:56:46.280 --> 0:56:48.920
<v Speaker 2>Darius and it takes two three re screens, but the

0:56:49.680 --> 0:56:52.360
<v Speaker 2>not only has he used energy to do so, the

0:56:52.400 --> 0:56:54.680
<v Speaker 2>shot clock is now down at eight when he goes

0:56:54.719 --> 0:56:57.560
<v Speaker 2>to work, it is more likely that he is going

0:56:57.600 --> 0:56:59.480
<v Speaker 2>to settle for one of those mid range shots that

0:56:59.520 --> 0:57:02.640
<v Speaker 2>he's not good at. You are baiting him again into

0:57:02.719 --> 0:57:05.640
<v Speaker 2>those worst tendencies that has resulted in him being ten

0:57:05.760 --> 0:57:09.319
<v Speaker 2>of twenty six against Darius. I just think that that

0:57:09.480 --> 0:57:12.640
<v Speaker 2>is the way I can jump into. It also allows

0:57:12.680 --> 0:57:16.200
<v Speaker 2>you to send help to Darius because he doesn't have

0:57:16.240 --> 0:57:18.840
<v Speaker 2>as much time to swing. Like if he gets the

0:57:18.880 --> 0:57:21.240
<v Speaker 2>switch with eight seconds left on the shot lock and

0:57:21.280 --> 0:57:24.240
<v Speaker 2>then takes the next four to five seconds to attack

0:57:24.400 --> 0:57:27.280
<v Speaker 2>Darius and hit him a couple times on the way

0:57:27.320 --> 0:57:29.640
<v Speaker 2>to the rim. Even if he does get all the

0:57:29.680 --> 0:57:32.840
<v Speaker 2>way to the rim, you can just bring help because

0:57:32.880 --> 0:57:35.600
<v Speaker 2>he can't kick it out to the opposite side of

0:57:35.600 --> 0:57:39.400
<v Speaker 2>the floor unless if he does, it's a grenade, right Like,

0:57:40.000 --> 0:57:43.240
<v Speaker 2>that's a high, high degree of difficulty shot. It's different

0:57:43.280 --> 0:57:45.600
<v Speaker 2>than a kickout with twelve seconds left. When you're lining

0:57:45.640 --> 0:57:48.959
<v Speaker 2>that up, you know the person standing in the corners like, God,

0:57:49.000 --> 0:57:51.560
<v Speaker 2>I've been watching you try to get this switch for

0:57:51.680 --> 0:57:55.000
<v Speaker 2>the last seventeen seconds and I was not expecting you

0:57:55.040 --> 0:57:57.280
<v Speaker 2>to throw this ball to me, Like yeah, I just

0:57:58.160 --> 0:58:00.280
<v Speaker 2>that is something that I'd really like to see because

0:58:00.400 --> 0:58:03.720
<v Speaker 2>I think, you know, having these tools in your arsenal,

0:58:03.800 --> 0:58:07.280
<v Speaker 2>being able to go to zone and throwing them off.

0:58:07.320 --> 0:58:10.800
<v Speaker 2>I thought Kenny's used the zone in this game disrupted Boston.

0:58:11.240 --> 0:58:13.840
<v Speaker 2>I thought that they got out of their game a

0:58:13.840 --> 0:58:17.840
<v Speaker 2>little bit to try to attack the zone, screwed up

0:58:17.880 --> 0:58:22.080
<v Speaker 2>their rhythm offensively being able to saw switch at times

0:58:22.160 --> 0:58:24.160
<v Speaker 2>right like, because that's the other beauty about you know,

0:58:24.200 --> 0:58:26.880
<v Speaker 2>when you're fighting through the switch, if they're expecting that,

0:58:26.960 --> 0:58:28.480
<v Speaker 2>and all of a sudden you do throw kind of

0:58:28.480 --> 0:58:31.120
<v Speaker 2>a quick sauce switch or a hard head or kind

0:58:31.160 --> 0:58:33.960
<v Speaker 2>of a variety of different looks, you're able to, all

0:58:34.000 --> 0:58:37.400
<v Speaker 2>of a sudden keep them out of a rhythm offensively.

0:58:38.200 --> 0:58:40.480
<v Speaker 2>I would like to see that. I'm just not a

0:58:40.480 --> 0:58:43.160
<v Speaker 2>big fan in general of sawce switching. I do think

0:58:43.200 --> 0:58:45.680
<v Speaker 2>it's impressive that we're able to do it as frequently

0:58:45.720 --> 0:58:47.840
<v Speaker 2>as we do, and I think that's a credit to

0:58:48.080 --> 0:58:51.720
<v Speaker 2>the dedication of you know, guys one through eleven on

0:58:51.800 --> 0:58:54.720
<v Speaker 2>this roster. But I do think that that is one

0:58:54.720 --> 0:58:56.760
<v Speaker 2>of those second gears that they can get to on

0:58:56.800 --> 0:58:58.480
<v Speaker 2>the defensive end of the court that we may not

0:58:58.560 --> 0:58:59.640
<v Speaker 2>see in the regular season.

0:59:00.320 --> 0:59:03.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think. I think the reason why I have

0:59:03.960 --> 0:59:09.520
<v Speaker 1>been sold coming out of that game is that, yes,

0:59:09.560 --> 0:59:13.240
<v Speaker 1>your risk goes up when you fight, but one so

0:59:13.400 --> 0:59:17.480
<v Speaker 1>does theirs. Like Jason Tatum gets called for a really

0:59:17.560 --> 0:59:22.280
<v Speaker 1>crucial moving screen because Darius stayed connected and tried to

0:59:22.280 --> 0:59:26.040
<v Speaker 1>fight through. So they have to be they have to

0:59:26.080 --> 0:59:29.720
<v Speaker 1>be better, they have to execute well. And then at

0:59:29.720 --> 0:59:32.200
<v Speaker 1>the end of the day, I just was sitting there

0:59:32.280 --> 0:59:36.120
<v Speaker 1>watching rewatching that fourth quarter and thinking, well, if we're

0:59:36.160 --> 0:59:40.880
<v Speaker 1>not gonna ask the Cavs defense to think really hard

0:59:40.960 --> 0:59:44.680
<v Speaker 1>and not mess up, well, then like we're not gonna

0:59:44.680 --> 0:59:48.760
<v Speaker 1>win a championship, right, Like this team is gonna have

0:59:48.920 --> 0:59:53.040
<v Speaker 1>to be able to live in the gray excusally. And

0:59:53.200 --> 0:59:55.479
<v Speaker 1>you know, stop switching is nice because it is black

0:59:55.520 --> 0:59:59.000
<v Speaker 1>and white. We're gonna switch everything. It's really hard to

0:59:59.000 --> 1:00:05.000
<v Speaker 1>mess it up and removes the miscommunication. Yes, but if

1:00:05.000 --> 1:00:07.600
<v Speaker 1>they really want to defend at their best, they're going

1:00:07.640 --> 1:00:10.240
<v Speaker 1>to have to live into that gray into that gray

1:00:10.280 --> 1:00:15.280
<v Speaker 1>area of well, we'd better be talking, we'd better be planning,

1:00:15.560 --> 1:00:19.240
<v Speaker 1>we'd better you know, have our principles in order. Uh,

1:00:19.280 --> 1:00:22.440
<v Speaker 1>and we're gonna even just literally have to do our

1:00:22.560 --> 1:00:26.120
<v Speaker 1>jobs well outside of the communication. We're gonna have to

1:00:26.160 --> 1:00:28.840
<v Speaker 1>stay connected and fight over this. We can't die on

1:00:28.880 --> 1:00:33.800
<v Speaker 1>the screen if we're not gonna switch. We can't go

1:00:33.920 --> 1:00:36.000
<v Speaker 1>too far under. You know, there was one possession where

1:00:36.040 --> 1:00:39.680
<v Speaker 1>Derek White walked into a pull up three because Darius

1:00:39.720 --> 1:00:43.880
<v Speaker 1>went took a really wide angle under a Tatum screen

1:00:44.280 --> 1:00:46.480
<v Speaker 1>and you know, Hunter got it, gave a late contest,

1:00:46.520 --> 1:00:49.560
<v Speaker 1>but it's one that White hits a lot, and so

1:00:49.680 --> 1:00:52.720
<v Speaker 1>they're they're they're the the risk goes up. But you know,

1:00:52.800 --> 1:00:57.120
<v Speaker 1>nothing mentioned, nothing gained strategically, and something else I was

1:00:57.160 --> 1:00:59.880
<v Speaker 1>thinking about. The other thing that has kind of brought

1:00:59.880 --> 1:01:03.600
<v Speaker 1>me over to your side of the argument is the

1:01:03.680 --> 1:01:08.160
<v Speaker 1>calves are bigger now up and down the roster, and

1:01:08.240 --> 1:01:12.600
<v Speaker 1>teams that are playing big guys at the two through

1:01:12.680 --> 1:01:16.680
<v Speaker 1>five and oftentimes the one through five when Tigerom is

1:01:16.720 --> 1:01:22.760
<v Speaker 1>out there, you have more margin for error to play

1:01:22.800 --> 1:01:26.520
<v Speaker 1>more aggressive. You know, there were plays where Hunter fought

1:01:26.560 --> 1:01:30.760
<v Speaker 1>over the screen and he got screened, but he was

1:01:30.840 --> 1:01:34.600
<v Speaker 1>able to get back to the hip of Tatum. There

1:01:34.680 --> 1:01:37.400
<v Speaker 1>was a few plays where Dean Wade, who played his

1:01:37.480 --> 1:01:39.920
<v Speaker 1>best defense of the entire season. I thought he was

1:01:40.160 --> 1:01:46.680
<v Speaker 1>unbelievable in this game, but he was just bought through

1:01:46.760 --> 1:01:49.480
<v Speaker 1>and stayed connected. And it's easier to stay connected when

1:01:49.520 --> 1:01:52.760
<v Speaker 1>you're bigger and longer and you have other big, tall,

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<v Speaker 1>long armed dudes on the weak side patrolling any of

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<v Speaker 1>those kickout passes. I mean, Boston turned the ball over

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<v Speaker 1>in that game, yeah, more than they normally do. Tatum

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<v Speaker 1>at three really brutal turnovers, Daly turnovers, and they won

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<v Speaker 1>the possession battle ever so slightly, because again, I just

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<v Speaker 1>don't think you get to kick Boston's ass much because

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<v Speaker 1>they're too good. But like all those things have tipped

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<v Speaker 1>the scales for me, and I really like the change,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think they're better built to play the way

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<v Speaker 1>you were hoping they would play after the Hunter trade

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<v Speaker 1>than they were before. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, as I always say, I'm never wrong,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just early, and this is yet another one of

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<v Speaker 2>those examples. And you were correct to call me out

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<v Speaker 2>on the last podcast about how I put you in,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, a tough spot sometimes being the one that's

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<v Speaker 2>always right. It's a burden. It's a responsibility that I

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<v Speaker 2>do not take lightly. I do want to before we

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<v Speaker 2>wrap this up because we are going long, but I

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<v Speaker 2>can't get out of this podcast without talking about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Since he's come back from injury.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not his best statistical stretch, but this is the

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<v Speaker 1>best I've ever felt about Isaac Ocorra.

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<v Speaker 2>I am loving how he's being used. I am loving

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<v Speaker 2>his impact and I didn't feel it in real time,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe because the start felt so terrible against Boston, But

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<v Speaker 2>when I did my rewatch this morning, he jumped off

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<v Speaker 2>the screen, particularly in that first quarter, in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>his impact on that run that got the Cavs kind

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<v Speaker 2>of back within range. The you know, he set a

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<v Speaker 2>screen for DeAndre Hunter, he gets a wide open three

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<v Speaker 2>in the corner, set a screen to free ab Donovan,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, rolled to the basket.

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<v Speaker 1>It was one.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was Donovan's second turnover. He shouldn't have

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<v Speaker 2>been credited for it because you know, Luke Cornette blew

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<v Speaker 2>up o'cor and him in the head there. But then

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<v Speaker 2>there was also, you know a play as a screener

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<v Speaker 2>where he set Donovan free. Donovan got the shot, he

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<v Speaker 2>crashed to the glass and got the put back after

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<v Speaker 2>Mobile tipped it to him. There was another one where

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<v Speaker 2>he screened for Pritchard and rather than flaring out to

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<v Speaker 2>the corner as he traditionally would, he rolled to the basket.

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<v Speaker 2>When he rolled to the basket, it forced al Horford

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<v Speaker 2>to pick him up because al Horford was forced to

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<v Speaker 2>pick up a coro there rather than ignore him going

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<v Speaker 2>to the corner. That meant that Sam Hauser had to

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<v Speaker 2>come over and help on Darius because Darius blew by

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<v Speaker 2>Pritchard after that screen. That led to Darius hitting Dean

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<v Speaker 2>Wade for a wide open three that he cashed. Okoro

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<v Speaker 2>being used in this way being used as kind of

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<v Speaker 2>that Bruce Brown player has changed his game from being

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<v Speaker 2>a all right, we're gonna sit you in the corner

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<v Speaker 2>and if you hit your threes, you had an impactful game.

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<v Speaker 2>If you don't, you know, we can't have you out there.

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<v Speaker 2>He is playing in a manner that has an impact

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<v Speaker 2>in all of his minutes. He is more aggressive attacking

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<v Speaker 2>the glass. He is making smart passes out of the role.

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<v Speaker 2>He is being used in a much much more creative way,

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<v Speaker 2>even better than that stretch he had earlier this season.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think some of that is tied to what

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<v Speaker 2>we said after the Hunter trade of he's going to

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<v Speaker 2>get to play a lot more too. But I just

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<v Speaker 2>feel like his understanding of what he needs to do

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<v Speaker 2>within the flow of this team has improved dramatically. Well.

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<v Speaker 1>We've always liked his playmaking, chops and his reads, and

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<v Speaker 1>I just think the skill has never really caught up

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<v Speaker 1>to the handles not good enough to access it basically, yeah, basically,

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<v Speaker 1>And I think Kenny has done a nice job of

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<v Speaker 1>getting Isaac just moving around the court a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. I just think there's less. There's less. No

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<v Speaker 1>one really hangs in one spot for too long in

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<v Speaker 1>this offense, Like there's just constant, you know, vacation of space.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think, oh, Quarrel really benefits from that because

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<v Speaker 1>what it does is he's always been a pretty helpful cutter,

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<v Speaker 1>and now he's asked to do it a lot as

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<v Speaker 1>just part of the function of the offense. He's asked

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<v Speaker 1>to do a lot more screening than I felt like

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<v Speaker 1>he did last year. And when he catches the ball

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<v Speaker 1>on the move. The skill stuff matters less. He doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>have to beat someone off the dribble. He just has

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<v Speaker 1>to go on a straight line and kick it where

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<v Speaker 1>it needs to go or go up with it. And

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<v Speaker 1>the three I think does look a little bit better

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<v Speaker 1>after getting that extra time off, which is nice. But

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<v Speaker 1>what's nice is I think he's been helpful in all

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<v Speaker 1>four games he's played since he's returned without needing to

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<v Speaker 1>be a particularly high volume three point shooter. Yeh yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know he's getting some of those events stats.

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<v Speaker 2>He's creating second chance opportunities just by fighting for the ball.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think again, some of that is tied to

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<v Speaker 2>play in as a guard, where it's not his responsibility

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<v Speaker 2>to run back and transition and take away the corner. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>He is a little bit more freedom to do that

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<v Speaker 2>because so frequently when teams, say a big man into

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<v Speaker 2>the possession, they're handing it off to the guard and

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<v Speaker 2>that little bit of time buys you the ability to

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<v Speaker 2>crash the glass. He's getting some awesome blocks. He had

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<v Speaker 2>a big, big one on Jalen Brown. He had a

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<v Speaker 2>crucial time. He blocked a jump shot today. Like he

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<v Speaker 2>is just he's looking more kind of athletic and explosive

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<v Speaker 2>than I even recalled. And I just feel like, even

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<v Speaker 2>though the stats aren't jumping off the page, I really

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<v Speaker 2>really feel his impact and I just feel like this

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<v Speaker 2>is a version of Icycle Coral that can make a

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<v Speaker 2>difference for this team come to postseason.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I do think it's the first time that

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<v Speaker 1>I felt like him in a low minutes role. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>he's playing, you know, between fourteen to twenty a game

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<v Speaker 1>right now. Yep. It's the first time where it's like, well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I hope he hits the three because otherwise we've wasted

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<v Speaker 1>twelve minutes of offense. Yep. You know, I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>he's just like he's able to join the game in

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<v Speaker 1>a flow a little bit better than he has even

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<v Speaker 1>though he's not playing a tremendous amount of minutes. Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, four of eight from three these last couple of games.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, he had a very very timely one against

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<v Speaker 2>Boston that was great to see. Just really really happy

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<v Speaker 2>with that last little bit of news. But before we

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<v Speaker 2>wrap this up, the Calves announced today that J. T.

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<v Speaker 2>Thor has been waived no longer on a two way

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<v Speaker 2>contract and Nakwon. Tomlin has been rewarded for his strong

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<v Speaker 2>strong play. I was a little surprised to see thor

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<v Speaker 2>Waived talked about how, you know, just given the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that he has NBA experience, I thought that he would

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<v Speaker 2>be the most prepared. But when you look at those

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<v Speaker 2>G League stats, there's no denying that Tomlin.

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<v Speaker 1>Has helped performed him so far this season. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>think there's a little bit of that. You know, Tomlin

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<v Speaker 1>is clearly the higher upside project. And with two ways,

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<v Speaker 1>you're not looking to like, you know, have a single

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<v Speaker 1>war in a sack single. You know, you're you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a sackfly. You're looking for singles, doubles and triples,

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<v Speaker 1>and I do think Tomlin has a much higher percentage

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<v Speaker 1>shot of being that. You know, he's still so early

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<v Speaker 1>on his NBA journey, in his basketball journey journey, frankly,

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<v Speaker 1>that he feels like, you know, getting him on a

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<v Speaker 1>multi year deal seems really wise. You know, you know

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<v Speaker 1>how I feel about two ways you cycle them, And

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<v Speaker 1>I think you know, the team kind of saw they

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<v Speaker 1>they saw enough of JT to be like, hey, here's

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<v Speaker 1>where we think your ceiling is. Here's where our short

1:09:34.960 --> 1:09:40.120
<v Speaker 1>term opportunity is, it's just not the best fit and

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<v Speaker 1>instead went with another upside play and Tomlin, who you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I think if you were say who is the best

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<v Speaker 1>shot of being on the roster three years from now,

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<v Speaker 1>Tomlin or Thora, I would certainly picked Tomlin and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad to see him get rewarded with a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit more secure, a little bit more investment from the team.

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<v Speaker 1>It does open the question of are they going to

1:10:04.240 --> 1:10:09.080
<v Speaker 1>fill that fifteenth roster spot before the playoffs because I

1:10:09.080 --> 1:10:11.800
<v Speaker 1>think both me and you thought Jake Thor might be

1:10:11.840 --> 1:10:15.080
<v Speaker 1>that guy, and now now I have no clip.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I thought it was very possible that one of

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<v Speaker 2>the two way guys we're going to get that spot.

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<v Speaker 2>It will be interesting to see they have, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>some options with what they can do there. The buyout

1:10:26.320 --> 1:10:29.719
<v Speaker 2>deadline has now passed, so any players bought out after

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<v Speaker 2>March first are not playoff eligible. So we have an

1:10:33.160 --> 1:10:35.600
<v Speaker 2>idea of who's available in the buyout market, We have

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<v Speaker 2>an idea of who's available in the free agency market.

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<v Speaker 2>Do they look at someone like Mobamba, who I believe

1:10:41.600 --> 1:10:43.920
<v Speaker 2>is you know, playing with a G League team but

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<v Speaker 2>not signed Birmingham. I think he just signed with Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so you know, there's an opportunity there. It'll be interesting

1:10:51.200 --> 1:10:53.160
<v Speaker 2>to see what they do with that spot. But I

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<v Speaker 2>do think you're correct in assuming that because Thor is waived,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think we're going to see a two way promotion.

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<v Speaker 1>I just.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, I guess you could still see that and then

1:11:05.120 --> 1:11:06.880
<v Speaker 2>Thora is signed to a two way again. But I

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<v Speaker 2>just feel like, from a procedural standpoint, the smart money's

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<v Speaker 2>probably on that not being the case.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what, I'm curious are they going to fill it

1:11:14.560 --> 1:11:18.280
<v Speaker 1>at all? You know, I hope they do. I hope

1:11:18.280 --> 1:11:20.679
<v Speaker 1>they find someone they think that they can that can help.

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<v Speaker 1>I would love to see a big especially in the

1:11:24.320 --> 1:11:28.400
<v Speaker 1>wake of waiting for DeAndre Hunter and adding Javonte Green.

1:11:30.280 --> 1:11:32.559
<v Speaker 1>But we'll see. We'll see what they end up doing.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, if whoever they sign ends up playing, we're

1:11:36.880 --> 1:11:39.799
<v Speaker 1>probably in a healthy amount of trouble. But help Dante

1:11:39.920 --> 1:11:42.639
<v Speaker 1>Jones helped us win the NBA Championships, so who knows.

1:11:43.160 --> 1:11:45.920
<v Speaker 2>Hey, you know, it might just mean that we are

1:11:46.000 --> 1:11:48.639
<v Speaker 2>up forty because that could certainly happen with how damn

1:11:48.640 --> 1:11:51.000
<v Speaker 2>good this team has been. Even when it comes to

1:11:51.040 --> 1:11:54.360
<v Speaker 2>the first round of the playoffs, so I think, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's terrific the fact that we're on a ten game

1:11:56.760 --> 1:11:59.280
<v Speaker 2>winning streak. When you look at that schedule coming out

1:11:59.280 --> 1:12:02.200
<v Speaker 2>of the All Star Break, you said, you got the ringer.

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<v Speaker 2>That's you know, that's tough teams. You're going to be

1:12:05.600 --> 1:12:08.400
<v Speaker 2>tested in that stretch. They answered the bell in all

1:12:08.439 --> 1:12:11.400
<v Speaker 2>of those They once again showed that they can come

1:12:11.479 --> 1:12:15.320
<v Speaker 2>back multiple times. This team has grit, it has resilience,

1:12:15.680 --> 1:12:18.360
<v Speaker 2>it has the ability to go out there and beat Boston.

1:12:19.080 --> 1:12:21.040
<v Speaker 2>It's just going to be whether or not they are

1:12:21.080 --> 1:12:24.320
<v Speaker 2>ready to do that this season. And you know, you

1:12:24.360 --> 1:12:27.200
<v Speaker 2>can't take these opportunities for granted. Man No and I

1:12:27.360 --> 1:12:29.599
<v Speaker 2>we we asked if that Boston game was the last

1:12:29.640 --> 1:12:32.599
<v Speaker 2>really important game of the season for this team, and

1:12:32.680 --> 1:12:36.280
<v Speaker 2>I still kind of do think that. And now it's

1:12:36.280 --> 1:12:39.479
<v Speaker 2>going to be a matter of, really, what are they

1:12:39.479 --> 1:12:43.000
<v Speaker 2>gonna do. They've got sixteen games in March. This is

1:12:43.040 --> 1:12:48.000
<v Speaker 2>a dense month of basketball to play during a stretch

1:12:48.040 --> 1:12:50.639
<v Speaker 2>where they have all but locked up the one seed

1:12:50.760 --> 1:12:53.479
<v Speaker 2>in the Eastern Conference. And you know, it's hard to

1:12:53.479 --> 1:12:57.439
<v Speaker 2>motivate yourself in a you know that to be an

1:12:57.479 --> 1:12:59.960
<v Speaker 2>okay see team that you know when you put all

1:13:00.120 --> 1:13:04.200
<v Speaker 2>the percentages together, it's not a tremendous chance that you'll

1:13:04.200 --> 1:13:06.559
<v Speaker 2>be playing them in the finals, you know, just based

1:13:06.600 --> 1:13:12.160
<v Speaker 2>on her like probability and odds. So I just I

1:13:12.280 --> 1:13:16.639
<v Speaker 2>wonder how they how they treat this. How are guys

1:13:16.680 --> 1:13:19.960
<v Speaker 2>going to get rest? Are guy's gonna be sharp?

1:13:20.280 --> 1:13:23.040
<v Speaker 1>Is ken? He gonna do some weird stuff to because

1:13:23.040 --> 1:13:27.480
<v Speaker 1>he's got this huge runway to play around with ideas,

1:13:28.160 --> 1:13:31.080
<v Speaker 1>and God knows, the man probably likes to tinker. So

1:13:32.000 --> 1:13:34.840
<v Speaker 1>it's going to be an interesting month of Cavs basketball

1:13:34.840 --> 1:13:38.160
<v Speaker 1>coming up, even if the wins and losses maybe get

1:13:38.160 --> 1:13:40.960
<v Speaker 1>a little less important. I mean, I'll still care a

1:13:41.000 --> 1:13:43.479
<v Speaker 1>lot because I really want him to get to sixty seven.

1:13:43.960 --> 1:13:47.439
<v Speaker 1>But uh, you know it will be a motivation challenge

1:13:47.439 --> 1:13:48.240
<v Speaker 1>as well. I'm sure.

1:13:48.920 --> 1:13:52.240
<v Speaker 2>Well listen to your good friend justin We're getting to

1:13:52.280 --> 1:13:53.639
<v Speaker 2>sixty seven, don't you worry.

1:13:53.640 --> 1:13:55.960
<v Speaker 1>The beautiful thing is I think I'm there now, by

1:13:56.000 --> 1:13:58.639
<v Speaker 1>the way, no matter I'm with you, no.

1:13:58.560 --> 1:14:01.599
<v Speaker 2>Matter what path we take, I think it still happens.

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<v Speaker 2>Because this team has so much depth. You put Craig

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<v Speaker 2>Porter Junior out there, he looks great. You put you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Jalen Tyson has given them good minutes. I think probably,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, if someone made the horrible decision to make

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<v Speaker 2>me a coach, I think the way that I would

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<v Speaker 2>approach this is, Hey, if we've got back to backs,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm capping our our starters minutes twenty eight for one

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<v Speaker 2>of these and the other one prepared to play real minutes.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to try to ramp your minutes up, but

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to be strategic with this. We're going twelve

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<v Speaker 2>these games. These ones were treating as dress rehearsals. I

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<v Speaker 2>think that they have the depth and the flexibility to

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<v Speaker 2>do that. Continue to manage, you know, any injuries and

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<v Speaker 2>guys getting banged up, be cautious in those spots and

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<v Speaker 2>just use it to experiment further. Right, Like, you might

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<v Speaker 2>not play a Boston or okay see, but you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to play a honest You're going to play the Knicks.

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<v Speaker 2>You're going to have opportunities to try out some stuff

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<v Speaker 2>against very good players and very good teams.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's going to be fun, man, Oh, Cavs, go Calves.

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