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Speaker 1: We can't put this on air because I knew, like

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Off the Cup my personal anti anxiety antidote.

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Speaker 2: So I was recently at CNN my day job, talking

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Speaker 2: to a colleague and we got onto the topic of

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Speaker 2: reality TV and she was sort of shocked to learn

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Speaker 2: how much I love my Bravo and all kinds of

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Speaker 2: reality TV. It's a reaction I get a lot. And

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Speaker 2: she said she can't watch shows like The Housewives, for example,

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Speaker 2: because it gives her anxiety. And of course reality TV

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Speaker 2: has the opposite effect on me. It calms me down.

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Speaker 2: It's an escape from my political job and all the

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Speaker 2: garbage that comes with that. It's an escape from the

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Speaker 2: news and the awfulness that comes with that. It's pure entertainment.

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Speaker 2: It just works for me. I love it unapologetically, and

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Speaker 2: I was an early adopter. I watched the Osbourne's Newlyweds

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Parker. If anyone remembers that, one one

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Speaker 2: of the biggest franchises in reality TV history was a

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Speaker 2: show called Jersey Shore and one of its breakout stars

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Speaker 2: was a girl we came to know and love as Snooky. Now.

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Speaker 2: I watched this too, because how could you not. It

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Speaker 2: was ubiquitous and Snookie was nothing if not entertaining. Well,

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Speaker 2: Snooky's grown up, as we all do. She's a wife,

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Speaker 2: a mom of three, a businesswoman, and a real survivor.

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Speaker 2: Her story is truly incredible, turning a reality show job

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Speaker 2: into countless opportunities beyond that one platform, carving her own path,

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Speaker 2: parlaying her fame into businesses, a successful brand, a career

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Speaker 2: beyond the cameras. But lucky for her fans, she's also

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Speaker 2: still on camera. You can catch her on the newest

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Speaker 2: season of Jersey Shore Family Vacation and Snooky Paranormal Rookie.

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Speaker 2: You've seen her on everything from Dancing with the Stars

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Speaker 2: to WrestleMania Snooky and Jay Wow, to Celebrity Apprentice, Celebrity

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Speaker 2: Family Feud to Last Week Tonight with John Oliver. Welcome

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Speaker 2: to Off the Cop, Nicole Polizzi, thanks.

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Speaker 1: For having me. That was a very nice introduction.

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Speaker 2: Well, you're a very nice girl and you deserve it,

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Speaker 2: and I'm really it's such a pleasure to have you.

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Speaker 1: On I'm so excited, you know, because I've been so

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Speaker 1: busy as like a mom and like not really like

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Speaker 1: getting myself together. So being able to like put some

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Speaker 1: you still got it.

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Speaker 2: I got totally enjoyed it. And yeah, there's so much

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Speaker 2: I want to talk to you about because you've done

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Speaker 2: so much. I want to talk about your store, your

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Speaker 2: charity work, motherhood, these new show ventures. But we gotta

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Speaker 2: just let's just start with the Jersey Shore. I just

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Speaker 2: we got to get into it. I can you believe

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Speaker 2: it's for sixteen years since you busted in the door

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Speaker 2: and said Barnie's here.

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Speaker 1: I know, so I started. I just turned twenty one.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, that was like my summer where I was like,

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Speaker 1: I just want to go out like legally because I

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Speaker 1: always used to like sneaking bars, but I was like, legally,

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Speaker 1: I can get into the bars now and enjoy myself.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I enjoyed myself. And yeah that was the

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Speaker 1: first it was a first season, and then yeah, now

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Speaker 1: I'm thirty eight with three kids, married and dog, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm doing it.

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Speaker 2: You're doing it. You're living a full life, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm doing it, and you know, Nicole, it's really common.

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Speaker 2: I think, more more common than not that reality TV.

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Speaker 2: I know because I've watched a lot of it. I've

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Speaker 2: been asked to do a lot of reality TV. But

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Speaker 2: to just leave it to do a normal job. You've

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Speaker 2: known for that show and all of it's spin offs,

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Speaker 2: but you've opened a very successful retail store and have

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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously, when you're on like a reality show

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Speaker 1: many things that I said no to because I was

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Speaker 2: Okay, there's big money and alcohol and cigarettes. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: Well, just because I knew that's not where I wanted

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Speaker 1: So I said no to a lot of things.

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Speaker 2: I do, but that's really self aware and like really smart.

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Speaker 2: At such a young age as you were, with all

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Speaker 2: some very good decisions.

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Speaker 1: Well, I had a good team behind me that helped

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Speaker 1: So my parents were very involved with it, thank god.

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Speaker 1: And then that's when I did that, and then it

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Speaker 2: And it was really smart to save money, not something

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Speaker 2: everyone on reality TV know how to date when they

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Speaker 1: Another thing, my parents. I had my parents work for

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Speaker 1: My parents did a very good job, because you know,

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Speaker 1: when you're young like that and you're getting all this

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Speaker 2: To be responsible and break the most of it while

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Speaker 2: you can't. I imagine you have kind of a complicated

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Speaker 2: Have you ever thought about not doing the spinoffs? Like

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Speaker 2: when they come to you and they're like, we want

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Speaker 2: is your heart really still in it?

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Speaker 1: No? Yeah, I've I want to do all of it.

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Speaker 1: I want to do it all. I do enjoy it,

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Speaker 1: but I need breaks in between because it's very taxing

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Speaker 1: And I'm a person that like if I socialize too

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Speaker 1: I definitely need breaks in between. But no, this is

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Speaker 1: I love doing reality TV. I love what it's giving me.

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Speaker 1: I love that it's my career and I can like

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Speaker 2: And maybe you will. I think. I think your arc

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Speaker 1: Oh, I definitely say Mike. Yeah, because Mike.

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Speaker 2: He had to learn some hard lessons.

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Speaker 1: You know, we were all crazy on that show in

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Speaker 1: everybody partied, but I feel like Mike partied in a

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Speaker 1: So the fact that he just changed his life completely,

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Speaker 2: That's good. That's good to hear. He's sort of yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: He's sort of the other side of that, goin and

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Speaker 2: what can happen when you're not making good decisions financially

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Speaker 2: for your mental health, for your physical health, right, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: So that's very good to hear. Does anyone from the

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Speaker 2: cast feel like to you, like they're exactly the same

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Speaker 2: as who they were in two thousand and nine.

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Speaker 1: I don't think so. I feel like, you know, we

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Speaker 1: were all like babies on that show. It was like

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Speaker 1: our college years. You know, we were all single, just

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Speaker 1: wanting to party, go out, have a good time, and

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Speaker 1: now like we're all mare maried, we have kids, we're parents.

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Speaker 1: But if you can say married, well, no, Paullie and

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Speaker 2: Right, are they ever gonna settle down? Paulie and Vinnie?

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Speaker 1: I think eventually. Yeah. Paulie's been with NICKI for years now,

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Speaker 1: so they're basically married. They just they don't have a

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Speaker 1: on his bachelor stage. But I mean he does he

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Speaker 1: does want to get married. He does want to be

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Speaker 1: a dad eventually, So I would say in like ten years, yeah, Ok.

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Speaker 1: And then Ron. Ron's doing good. He's been dating this

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Speaker 1: Say the one person that could be the same since

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was like, I'm famous. Ah, do you love

433
00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,159
Speaker 2: this when you get famous? Do you love that feeling?

434
00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:50,479
Speaker 1: Because I've always wanted to be a reality star and

435
00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:53,000
Speaker 1: I did want to experience fame and all the things.

436
00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:55,840
Speaker 1: So yeah, I was. I was in my glory.

437
00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:58,800
Speaker 2: What about the ugly side of it? You know, the

438
00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:02,600
Speaker 2: negative attention? How in the comments are you? You know, like,

439
00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:04,199
Speaker 2: how much of that stuff do you take in?

440
00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:07,639
Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean luckily, when the show was airing and

441
00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:10,280
Speaker 1: it was like big, social media wasn't that big, that's right,

442
00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:13,240
Speaker 1: Like Twitter just came out. Yeah, there wasn't an Instagram

443
00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:14,960
Speaker 1: or like TikTok or anything.

444
00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:18,040
Speaker 2: Where everything would live on and get regurgitated and people

445
00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:20,879
Speaker 2: would interact. I mean it now, yeah it.

446
00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:24,040
Speaker 1: Is now, but in the moment, it wasn't. And I

447
00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:27,480
Speaker 1: feel like that would have really killed us mentally wise.

448
00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:31,240
Speaker 1: But yeah, thank god that we all are like strong personalities.

449
00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:34,080
Speaker 1: We don't let anybody hurt us because we know who

450
00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:37,280
Speaker 1: we are more confident. So reading all the nasty comments

451
00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:40,359
Speaker 1: about us, we were basically laughing and we were like whatever,

452
00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:43,639
Speaker 1: they're just jealous, So that that was like our mentality,

453
00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:46,800
Speaker 1: thank god, because I you know that could mentally break

454
00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:48,760
Speaker 1: someone like how mean people are?

455
00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:52,119
Speaker 2: Oh, and they are, and it's not just you know,

456
00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:55,119
Speaker 2: fans and regular people. I remember, I think I was

457
00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:59,120
Speaker 2: at Fox at the time, Fox News or maybe MSNBC.

458
00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:01,760
Speaker 2: I forget because I worked everywhere, but I remember having

459
00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:04,840
Speaker 2: to cover Jersey Shore and some of the issues that

460
00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,520
Speaker 2: would come up, and the way Italian Americans were being portrayed,

461
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:11,080
Speaker 2: and like you keep the news talking about you guys

462
00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:12,800
Speaker 2: and not always it was very.

463
00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:16,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was very dramatic and at the time and

464
00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,000
Speaker 1: even now, I'm just like, it's not that serious. We're

465
00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:21,640
Speaker 1: just kids trying to have fun at the shore. We're

466
00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:23,800
Speaker 1: not forcing you to watch the show. If you don't

467
00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:25,880
Speaker 1: like it, don't watch it. That's it.

468
00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:27,000
Speaker 2: It's not that serious.

469
00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:29,359
Speaker 1: But yeah, they made it so serious. I was like,

470
00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:31,119
Speaker 1: there's other things in the world we need to be

471
00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:31,639
Speaker 1: worrying about.

472
00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:34,520
Speaker 2: We really did again, I remember it. I you know,

473
00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:37,560
Speaker 2: it wasn't ever my idea to cover to cover that

474
00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:39,520
Speaker 2: on the news, but you know, of course I didn't

475
00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:41,840
Speaker 2: always get to choose what we covered it, and these

476
00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:43,800
Speaker 2: were big storylines coming out of your show.

477
00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:47,080
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously we're grateful for it because if you're

478
00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:49,040
Speaker 1: talking about us and we're doing something good and then

479
00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:51,920
Speaker 1: everyone's talking about us. So in a way it was

480
00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:54,360
Speaker 1: you know, it was good, but yeah, it.

481
00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:59,600
Speaker 2: Was a lot you know that, Like now, especially reality

482
00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:03,000
Speaker 2: star really know how to monetize their platforms and they

483
00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:04,720
Speaker 2: know how to get brand deals. They know how to

484
00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,400
Speaker 2: start selling merch start a business, maybe get a book deal.

485
00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:11,680
Speaker 2: That's part just so part of the reality TV experience now.

486
00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:15,000
Speaker 2: But as your show is airing, it wasn't as common

487
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,479
Speaker 2: a thing. You didn't know that, like you were going

488
00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:20,879
Speaker 2: to get brand deals you when you went into it,

489
00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:24,919
Speaker 2: how did you, like, how did you navigate all of

490
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:26,560
Speaker 2: that as it's coming in. I mean we talked about

491
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:28,280
Speaker 2: a little bit and the things you didn't want to do,

492
00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:32,480
Speaker 2: but like, did you know, Okay, this is an opportunity

493
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:33,800
Speaker 2: to make money off the show?

494
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:37,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I can't remember what it was. But

495
00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:41,280
Speaker 1: also like back then, it wasn't that big of the

496
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:44,200
Speaker 1: brand deals like jumping at you. If that happened now,

497
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:47,280
Speaker 1: I mean we would have made insane money. Like ye,

498
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,399
Speaker 1: what the tiktoks make or the tiktoks that sound like

499
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,880
Speaker 1: I'm ninety, but the influencers, what they made like it's

500
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,960
Speaker 1: not that wasn't like you know what it was back then.

501
00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,639
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think like it was more of like

502
00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:03,080
Speaker 1: the you know, sponsorships or brand deals that I said before.

503
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:05,480
Speaker 1: But for us, it was more of the club appearances,

504
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:09,400
Speaker 1: the club appearances. We were so busy with the club appearances,

505
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:13,080
Speaker 1: like traveling and does the club appearances is what really

506
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:15,160
Speaker 1: made us like a lot of money.

507
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:20,399
Speaker 2: Yeah that makes that makes sense. But you that was

508
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 2: the thing, especially for your show, for your for your cast. Yeah,

509
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 2: I totally get that. But you also know, I think

510
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:30,760
Speaker 2: instinctively at some point like I I can leverage this

511
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,760
Speaker 2: into other things and I don't. I don't have to

512
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,879
Speaker 2: just live right here. I can I can go out

513
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 2: and I can cut, I can be a brand myself,

514
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 2: but I can also sell products, right like talk about

515
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 2: the store and how that comes to be.

516
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 1: Well, I feel like it started with so I got

517
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:51,359
Speaker 1: a brand deal with supre Channing and obviously, you know,

518
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:54,159
Speaker 1: we were known for Tanning GTL. We like to be

519
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,560
Speaker 1: tan So that was and I still have it to

520
00:23:56,600 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 1: this day. We have Tanning Lotions SPO. Now obviously it's

521
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 1: different now in the tanning world. A lot of bronzers. Yeah,

522
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 1: so it changed a little bit, but I still have it.

523
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 1: So Tanning was like my biggest one, and then I

524
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 1: had what was my other one, and then I had

525
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 1: like Perfume Deals, which I still love to this day.

526
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:20,920
Speaker 1: Like I still have my Perfume. I really I'm trying

527
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 1: to bring it back. But doing that stuff and like

528
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:25,919
Speaker 1: promoting that, I'm just like, I really want to do

529
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 1: something on my own that like a company is not

530
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 1: doing for me, Like I want to do something. So

531
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:35,479
Speaker 1: I ended up doing the Snookie Shop online, yep, and

532
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 1: I had that for probably no, I had it for

533
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:40,680
Speaker 1: a while. I probably had it for ten years before

534
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 1: I decided to open my brick and mortar, But yeah,

535
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 1: I had the Snookie Shop for a long time. And

536
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,160
Speaker 1: that's like, so Danny actually helped me with the idea

537
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,359
Speaker 1: of like I want to sell merch because you know,

538
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,479
Speaker 1: we're making merch in his store and like pressing things

539
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:55,640
Speaker 1: like making our own shirts. So I'm like, I want

540
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:57,679
Speaker 1: to do that, but like do it for myself. So

541
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,479
Speaker 1: I ended up selling merch at the Sunkie Shop. But

542
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:01,919
Speaker 1: then I was like, you know, I really want like

543
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 1: the boutique vibe, like I want my fans to like

544
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 1: come onto the Stookie Shop and shop my closet, which

545
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 1: I still have that motto to this day, like you're

546
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 1: shopping my closet. So yeah, then I started like wholesale

547
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 1: buying and like doing all those things. And then I

548
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 1: eventually worked with the company to where I could design

549
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,120
Speaker 1: my own clothes and like I'm doing all the designing

550
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 1: and picking out the fabric. So yeah, it just like

551
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,199
Speaker 1: it all came to be. But yeah, I just I

552
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 1: wanted to do something where I new, you know, I'm

553
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 1: not gonna do reality TV forever and gout forbid. You

554
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,200
Speaker 1: know this this is gone. I need something to fall

555
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,119
Speaker 1: back on and that will be my career. So I

556
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,360
Speaker 1: was like, the Snookie Shop is my main priority.

557
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:45,440
Speaker 2: Again. Very smart, you know, I think someone like Jessica Simpson,

558
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 2: you know she used her read Oh okay, I was

559
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 2: gonna ask because I can see so much of what

560
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:56,439
Speaker 2: you did in what she did, like her show. I

561
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 2: think she used brilliantly new luets. It could have turned

562
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 2: her into a joke. She would kind of ditzy. It

563
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:03,919
Speaker 2: showed her marriage kind of on the rocks. Her acting

564
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 2: and singing career kind of waned a little bit. But

565
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 2: she decided to turn that thing into a billion dollar business.

566
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 2: And now she's im mogul. She can choose her jobs.

567
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 2: She recently came back to performing, because why not. I

568
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:16,919
Speaker 2: imagine she was an influence.

569
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 1: Yes, she one hundred percent. I am her number one fan, Okay,

570
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 1: and everyone that's like, who do you look up to?

571
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 1: When I really don't look up to anyone business wise,

572
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,680
Speaker 1: But I'm like, no, it's Jessica Simpson because she did Reality.

573
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 1: She was one of my favorite artists growing up in

574
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 1: the nineties. Like I loved her songs and I loved

575
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 1: her voice, Like she was like my top and her shoes,

576
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 1: her shoes because I have a size five foot and

577
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,239
Speaker 1: I have a very small foot. Her shoes are the

578
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 1: only shoes I can wear. So my whole closet of

579
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 1: heels is Jessica Simpson. So I just look up to her,

580
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, brand wise, like she just opened she

581
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 1: just started, you know, Jessica Simpson clothing line and just

582
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 1: got rocketed to where like it's just like a billion

583
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,639
Speaker 1: dollar company, like you said. So I've always looked up

584
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 1: to her in that way of just like, you know,

585
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,359
Speaker 1: she's a singer, she did reality, But this is like

586
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 1: her big thing. So I was like, yeah, that's that's

587
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 1: what I want to do. I love clothes, I love fashion,

588
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: I love all the cute things. Like I definitely look

589
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 1: up to her in that way.

590
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,159
Speaker 2: And she was like, the joke's on you guys, right, Like,

591
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 2: I know you're all making fun of me.

592
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 1: She's a boss.

593
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, the joke is on you because I am crushing it,

594
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:34,159
Speaker 2: killing it and whatever you got. You keep talking about me.

595
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 2: Keep talking about me. It sells my shoes.

596
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly.

597
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess so I love her. Okay, the show

598
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 2: ends in twenty twelve. How much of a break do

599
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 2: you get or do you go right into spinoffs and

600
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 2: other shows? Yeah?

601
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 1: So I went right into it because I was pregnant.

602
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,879
Speaker 1: I was eight months pregnant when we when we finished

603
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 1: season six of Jersey Shore, and then obviously they wanted

604
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:58,920
Speaker 1: to follow my pregnancy see how I was the first

605
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 1: time mom and how me and Gianni were doing. So

606
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 1: they were like, yeah, we're gonna do Snoky and Jay. Wow.

607
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 1: So I was like, okay, so I think I had

608
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:10,640
Speaker 1: like a month not even to like get my shit together,

609
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 1: can I swear? Sorry? Yep, get my things together? And yeah,

610
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 1: just prepare at nine months pregnant to film a reality

611
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 1: show and then give birth on the reality show. So

612
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 1: it was a lot. It was a lot.

613
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 2: You really haven't I know, you take breaks, but you've

614
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,880
Speaker 2: really been on TV in one way or another ever

615
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:31,400
Speaker 2: since then.

616
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I wanted I feel like, I wanted to

617
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: show all of it because why not, Like, you know,

618
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 1: I wanted my fans to see everything, and also I

619
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 1: wanted I wanted it to be documented for me so

620
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: I can always look back at it and it's just

621
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 1: something really cool, I think. Yeah, but I did have

622
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 1: my boundaries, you know, they were in the delivery room,

623
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 1: and I'm like, all right, you got to get out,

624
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 1: get out, get out and delivery with this, I'm like,

625
00:28:58,240 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 1: just get the audio. I was like, just get the

626
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 1: you guys are fine. So yeah, I gave birth twice

627
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: on the show, and then Angelo because we weren't filming,

628
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 1: and I feel like they already got it. So Angelau

629
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: was my only baby that was like personal and private,

630
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 1: which was very nice.

631
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 2: Wow. What's the trick to being a good reality TV personality?

632
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 1: Not faking it? I think just being authentic and honest

633
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: and vulnerable, even like the stuff that you don't want

634
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 1: people to know. You just got to be open and

635
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 1: just like fully show yourself and your faults and all

636
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 1: the things, because I think a successful reality star is

637
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: real and relatable.

638
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 2: Yep.

639
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: And you can tell right away someone is trying to

640
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 1: like fake it and we can. Yeah, so you got

641
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 1: to you gotta show the ugly and the bad.

642
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 2: I bet you have a real eye for that because

643
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 2: especially now reality TV is so huge and a lot

644
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 2: of people, you know, kind of know what to do

645
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 2: even before they get on a cast or think they

646
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 2: know what to do. I bet you can spot it

647
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 2: right away when someone's trying to hard to be someone else.

648
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 1: I feel like it's ruined now, yeah, just because everyone

649
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 1: goes in like expecting to be like the main star,

650
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: and they want to. They try so hard, and you know,

651
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 1: back then, it was just like we're just going in

652
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 1: to have a good time. Let's see what happens. Now,

653
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 1: like everyone is trying to be that main star. Everyone

654
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 1: wants to be famous.

655
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 2: Or the villain, or they're just trying. Yeah, they're trying

656
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 2: to play a character which doesn't serve us the audience.

657
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, reality's definitely not the same as it was

658
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 1: back in the day.

659
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Speaker 2: Do you watch a lot of reality TV? Now?

660
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 1: Not really. I feel like, now that you know I've

661
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 1: done reality, I could just tell like, oh, that was

662
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: set up by the producers, or oh that's not cut

663
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 1: right or not continuity, I see it. So it kind

664
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 1: of ruined it for me. No, but I do. What's

665
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 1: my favorite reality show? Tell me, oh, Love is Blind?

666
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 1: I love Love is Blind. But now it's just like,

667
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 1: now that show's ruined because they're.

668
00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 2: All going on, they're all trying famous.

669
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, the first the first season is the only genuine,

670
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: like real one where they they had they didn't know

671
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 1: what to expect and they were just going in. They

672
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 1: were doing the process and they really wanted to find love.

673
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 1: Now nobody stays together. They just want to be famous.

674
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 1: It's it's annoying.

675
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 2: But I do know that season was I think you're

676
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 2: right because no one actually got together and you could

677
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 2: tell people were like very aware of appearances and the Now, yeah,

678
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 2: you might be right.

679
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: They need to do like a new formula or something.

680
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 2: I bet they I bet you're right. They gotta switch

681
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 2: it up where no one knows what they're trying to

682
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 2: do yet, right, right, do you would you ever do

683
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 2: like a real Housewives of New Jersey.

684
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: So I'm a fan of the show and I know

685
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 1: some of the girls, and I love watching it. But

686
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 1: I just feel like they're so ruthless and they will

687
00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 1: ruin your life just to get ratings. And I'm that girl,

688
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: like I cherish my friendships and I'm not going to

689
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: sell out. So I would. I wouldn't know I would.

690
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: I would be so depressed if I was a cast

691
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 1: member on the show, because I that's not me at all.

692
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 1: But I love the show. I don't see me doing that.

693
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 2: I completely know what you mean. And like, as a

694
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 2: fan of all the housewives, and I know a lot

695
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 2: of the New Jersey girls, Marge and Dolores and Jackie

696
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 2: for example. But when people are willing to cross certain

697
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 2: lines for a storyline with your kids, with your business,

698
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 2: oh yeah, your husband, that's like whoa, because then then

699
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 2: you are You're putting your livelihood and your family on

700
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 2: the line, and that's a scary. I feel like that would.

701
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 1: Be Yeah, it's not worth it. It's really not worth it.

702
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 2: So well a lot of people decide that it is.

703
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 1: Well, they're good for them, because we need to watch

704
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 1: the show. So thank you for the drama, but for

705
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: my sake and my life and my my lovely family

706
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 1: here like absolutely not.

707
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 2: I get it there there are I have so many

708
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 2: boundaries in my life as well, in terms of work

709
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 2: that I will and will not do, because my family

710
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 2: matters infinitely more than whatever I'm doing on TV. It's

711
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 2: not even close. It's not close.

712
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: Same.

713
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 2: And I watched some of these reality stars, some of

714
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 2: these housewives do some really appalling things, and I just

715
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 2: have to wonder, like, what, how how lost have they

716
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 2: gotten inside of this reality TV machine?

717
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 1: I know, I mean thank God that I was raised

718
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 1: normal and raised right to know what's right and wrong,

719
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: and I just I just can't fathom doing that to someone.

720
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: And also I don't I quit Jersey Shore for a

721
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 1: season because it was fighting with Angelina. I couldn't take it.

722
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: I don't like fighting with my friends. I don't like drama.

723
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: My mental health was so bad that I was like

724
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: not being a good mom at home. I was depressed,

725
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,839
Speaker 1: I was angry and that's not me and that's what

726
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 1: that whole situation made me. And I was like, guys,

727
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:13,919
Speaker 1: I have to quit the show, like this is it's

728
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 1: ruining my mental health at home. So I ended up

729
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 1: taking a season off and I lost a ton of money,

730
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: but like, I didn't care because I needed I needed.

731
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 1: I need to feel safe, and I was I didn't

732
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: feel safe.

733
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 2: Yes, we talk a lot about mental health on this show,

734
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,839
Speaker 2: because I talk a lot about mine. I struggle with

735
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 2: severe anxiety, and you know, getting therapy and getting on

736
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 2: medication and setting work boundaries really really important. But like,

737
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 2: how did you recognize in that moment, I need my

738
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,919
Speaker 2: mental health is more important and this thing, this thing

739
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 2: that I love, this thing that's making a lot of

740
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 2: money for me, is the thing that's actually hurting my

741
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 2: mental health. That's really hard to see sometimes. How did

742
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 2: you figure that out?

743
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:16,479
Speaker 1: I just wasn't having fun anymore. I wasn't having fun

744
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,240
Speaker 1: And like I said, I don't like fighting with my friends.

745
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: Obviously I'm on a reality show. We're going to have

746
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 1: fights here and there, but like we get over it

747
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: and we kumbaya at the end of the day. And

748
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 1: it just wasn't kumbayayeing and it was getting too crazy

749
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: to where I was like, this is unhealthy, this is trash,

750
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:39,359
Speaker 1: Like I don't like this. And I was coming home

751
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 1: and like I said, I wasn't I feel like I

752
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 1: wasn't being a good mom. I was an angry wife,

753
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 1: an angry person, and I was just depressed. And I

754
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 1: was like this is not worth it. Like, yes, I'm

755
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 1: making a ton of money for my family, but I

756
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,800
Speaker 1: need to be okay with myself and I'm not okay

757
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 1: with myself. So I was like done. I was like,

758
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,240
Speaker 1: I cannot do this anymore. This is not fun anymore.

759
00:35:58,280 --> 00:35:59,479
Speaker 1: This is not what I signed up.

760
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 2: For for me.

761
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I was like bye, And right when I said,

762
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: right when I hung up, and I was like I'm done, I.

763
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 2: Just felt relief and I was like that's right.

764
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like let's go. I was like, let's

765
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: live life positive now.

766
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 2: Yes.

767
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,800
Speaker 1: So it was definitely a nice break and yeah, I

768
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 1: needed it.

769
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 2: What do you do now to protect your mental health?

770
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 2: Like I mentioned, I've got systems in place of things

771
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 2: that I need to do, and being productive is one

772
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,720
Speaker 2: of them. Working a lot, but but but in ways

773
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 2: that make me feel good, saying no to things that

774
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 2: don't feel good. I have limits on what I watch

775
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 2: and my social media. I have boundaries at work and

776
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 2: the kinds of stories I'll cover and won't cover, and

777
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 2: the ways I'll do it. What do you do to

778
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 2: protect your mental health?

779
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 3: Now?

780
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 1: I think work wise, I like to be home as

781
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: much as possible. But obviously when we're filming and if

782
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: we have to travel, I give them three days Max.

783
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, you have me for three days. After that,

784
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:00,439
Speaker 1: I need to go home and be my I can't

785
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 1: be away from my kids that long.

786
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 2: They need me.

787
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 1: They get upset. I was like, yes, it's work and

788
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,359
Speaker 1: I get it, but like three days, Max, So I

789
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 1: have that rule three days and then I have to

790
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 1: be home. So get all the things that you need

791
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 1: out of me, because I gotta be home. I am

792
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 1: a bed rodder because if I socialize too much, I

793
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 1: need I need my rest. So I will bed rot sometimes,

794
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,760
Speaker 1: which which helps me. I know that can be negative

795
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: to some people, but for me, I just need to

796
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: rest in bed and just like not do anything, whether

797
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: it's that big.

798
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:37,399
Speaker 2: Good for a reason, your body is telling you. I

799
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 2: need this.

800
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,800
Speaker 1: Literally, yeah, if I don't do it, I feel sick,

801
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: like I feel run down. I actually get sick. I

802
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 1: don't feel good. Obviously, family time is big for me,

803
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: so I just love being home with the kids and

804
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: working out. I just love walking. I love doing something productive.

805
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 1: I love killing myself and I feel good.

806
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 2: In old school Italian families, sometimes getting help for mental

807
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 2: health it just like isn't a thing, right you just

808
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 2: you just need to rest or maybe some of Nona's meatballs.

809
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 2: You'll be fine. Yeah, But like your generation, my generation

810
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 2: was trying to break that, and I remember I don't

811
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 2: know if you remember this, you might be too young.

812
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 2: But like when Tony Soprano first starts seeing a therapist

813
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 2: on The Sopranos, it was a huge cultural moment because

814
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 2: here is a you know, Italian mobster of all people

815
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 2: working through some things right that he's going through. That

816
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 2: had a huge cultural impact. How do you want your

817
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 2: kids to navigate mental health? Oh?

818
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,240
Speaker 1: So I'm huge with it. I mean I've been doing

819
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 1: online therapy for a while, and I do like talking

820
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 1: at my feelings, but like not to like friends all

821
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 1: the time or you know, yeah, I just need professional times. Yeah,

822
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,359
Speaker 1: But I always tell my kids, like, you know, let

823
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:00,800
Speaker 1: I'm here to talk. I'm not going to get angry

824
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 1: if something happens, like I'm that mom. But like also

825
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: I might get a little annoyed and I might take

826
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,359
Speaker 1: your phone for a little bit. But you can talk

827
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 1: to me. Yeah, he was like, you can talk to me,

828
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: make sure you're good. If I see their upset, I'm like,

829
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 1: let's talk it out, like what is happening. So I

830
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 1: definitely have that relationship with my kids to where you

831
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 1: can come to me, because you know, growing up, I

832
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 1: wasn't comfortable talking to my mom about like a boy

833
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: or my dad because I just you know, I wasn't comfortable.

834
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 1: I couldn't even swear in front of my parents until

835
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:34,439
Speaker 1: I was like eighteen, and when I did, they.

836
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 2: Still gave me a look.

837
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:39,720
Speaker 1: Yes, So it was Yeah, it was very It was strict,

838
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 1: but not strict, you know what I mean. Growing up

839
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 1: I do so I don't want that with my kids.

840
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 1: I want them to come to me and talk to me.

841
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 1: You know, like, obviously I'm there for you, but I'm

842
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: not your friend. I'm still your mom, but I'm here

843
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:54,919
Speaker 1: for you and I'll listen to you and i will

844
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: protect you always.

845
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 2: You know. One of the things my parents did really

846
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 2: really well. They did lot of things really well, but

847
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 2: when I was going through it as a teenager, something

848
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 2: in me knew I could talk to them about it,

849
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 2: and they got me therapy and this wasn't super common

850
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 2: at the time, but there was no shame in it.

851
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 2: They said, immediately, let's get help. Let's talk to someone.

852
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 2: We don't know how to help, but a professional will.

853
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 2: That was great. What I'm doing a generation later, in

854
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 2: addition to to that, is I am modeling my own

855
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:29,240
Speaker 2: mental health. So when I'm struggling in age appropriate ways,

856
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 2: I'll talk to my son about you know, listen, Mommy

857
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:34,879
Speaker 2: doesn't always have all the answers. Mommy needs to talk

858
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 2: to someone to get help. And there's no shame in that.

859
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 2: And you know, mommy's feeling anxious now. And here's what

860
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 2: I do about that, so that he knows I'm not

861
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 2: perfect and I'm not trying to raise a perfect kid,

862
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 2: and he'll know, well, my mom got help for stuff,

863
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 2: so can I. It's like opening him up to some

864
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 2: of the things I go through. Again, age appropriate ways

865
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 2: is something my therapist is really important.

866
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 1: And I feel like it's harder for man else to go.

867
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

868
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's nice that I'm I'm teaching Lorenzo to

869
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 1: like be open with his feelings and talk about yes.

870
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 2: And you know, my husband very generously has come on

871
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,919
Speaker 2: the podcast to talk about his mental health, and you're right,

872
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 2: like it's really impactful when men talk about it in

873
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 2: ways that like we can talk about it, but it's

874
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 2: just you know, yeah, I think people are used to

875
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 2: hearing women talking about this and much more used to

876
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,879
Speaker 2: hearing men talk about it. Right, Does Gianny talk about

877
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 2: stuff like that.

878
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 1: Some? I mean he's he definitely talks about his feelings

879
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 1: with me cozy, but you know, I feel like he's

880
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: still old school Italian in that way to where it's like, yeah,

881
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 1: I don't know if I would go to a therapist. Yeah, yeah,

882
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 1: but as long as he's open with me with his feelings.

883
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 2: Like yeah, talking to somebody, right, yeah, exactly? That is important.

884
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 2: Do you get you live in New Jersey? Do you

885
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 2: get recognized a lot?

886
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: Not? I I've lived here, so I moved to Jersey

887
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: eleven years ago, so yeah, I've been here for a while,

888
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 1: and I moved to my husband's town, so like, he

889
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:12,240
Speaker 1: literally knows everybody here. It's it's not a small town,

890
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: but I mean, you know, everybody knows everybody, So I

891
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 1: feel like they treat me normal because of Gianni and

892
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,320
Speaker 1: they've grew up with him, and I know his family

893
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 1: and everything, so it's very nice. I feel cozy. I

894
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 1: you know, I can go to I keep saying cozy.

895
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: That's been my word all week. I wish every time

896
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: I say cozy. But yeah, I can go to Trader Joe's,

897
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 1: I can go to all the things in town, Starbucks,

898
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 1: and yeah, no one bothers me, which is nice.

899
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 2: So nice. I can't believe there's a corner of New

900
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 2: Jersey in which you are not mom. Yes, all the time,

901
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,359
Speaker 2: but that's great. You need that, you need to feel

902
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 2: safe and like going.

903
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 1: Out like I don't. Yeah, I don't want to be

904
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 1: a hermit. And it really doesn't bother me.

905
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:50,919
Speaker 2: Yeah.

906
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 1: The only time it does bother me is if I'm

907
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:54,919
Speaker 1: with my kids and then people feel like they can

908
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 1: talk to my kids or touch my kids. Oh yeah,

909
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: that makes them uncomfortable because I'm like a stranger danger

910
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 1: to anybody. Yeah, so that bothers me a little bit.

911
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 1: But like I get it, because you know, I show

912
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 1: my kids on social media and all that, so I

913
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:09,760
Speaker 1: get it. But that's the only time that I'm like, oh,

914
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 1: like stop.

915
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 2: What about school? How are how do moms treat you

916
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 2: at school?

917
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 1: Normal? Thank you?

918
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 2: Great?

919
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 1: I mean I'm sure they talk behind my back, but

920
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 1: everyone is very nice to me and I get along

921
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 1: with everyone, and yeah, I can like go to dinners

922
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 1: with them and I feel like we're very friendly and

923
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 1: I feel like they're just normal friends.

924
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 2: That's so great because that can be very dicey, you know,

925
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 2: I know at school. But that's great.

926
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 1: It's very hard to make mom friends.

927
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 2: It is, and it is in general, right, but at

928
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 2: a layer like your your life on camera, and I

929
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 2: imagine it can be tricky. But that's good to hear. Okay,

930
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 2: before I let you go, I want to do a

931
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:59,399
Speaker 2: lightning round. Okay, what's your favorite TV show from when

932
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 2: you were growing up?

933
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 1: Oh? Well, TV show wise? Rosswell, oh okay, I was

934
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 1: on the WB eleven and now now I'm friends with

935
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 1: the freaking actors, Like we talk all the time, and

936
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,439
Speaker 1: I did like some things with them, and that's I'm

937
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 1: literally their number one fan.

938
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:20,399
Speaker 2: So fun.

939
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 1: You're Rosswell obsessed an American idol.

940
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, that was.

941
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:28,359
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I cried if I missed the show.

942
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 1: Kelly Clarkson, I was, I was there, I was her voter.

943
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 2: Yep, yep, yep. Oh it was huge. It was huge.

944
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 2: Talk about a new format that was something we just

945
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 2: had not seen before. Yeah, and it totally took over.

946
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:44,360
Speaker 2: It was like, you know, Star Search times a thousand stars,

947
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 2: My generations, American Idol. Okay, there's a trend now putting

948
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 2: the kids of reality stars on TV, like Bravo's Next Generation.

949
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 2: Would you let your kids do reality TV? Would you

950
00:44:57,719 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 2: want them to do reality TV? God?

951
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 1: I hope not. No. I want something better for them.

952
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 1: But if they wanted to, I'd be like, all right,

953
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 1: let's do it. But no, I just want this to

954
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 1: be mommy's career. And they do. They they live the

955
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 1: most normal life ever, going to college and experiencing all

956
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 1: the things. Like I want them to be as normal

957
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 1: as they can. But obviously if they wanted to, I

958
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 1: would definitely help them and be there for them.

959
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 2: You'd be a great shirt, you'd be a great guide,

960
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 2: having gone a great miss Yeah you would. Yeah. Okay,

961
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 2: who from your cast would you not let watch your

962
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 2: kids overnight?

963
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 1: I think everybody now, Oh, I mean back in the day. Yeah,

964
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 1: we're all. We're all really good with our kids, and

965
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: even the ones that don't have kids, like Angelina Vinnie,

966
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:50,280
Speaker 1: is that it? Yeah, Angelina and Vinnie, they're great with kids.

967
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 1: So I am fully confident that everybody would be great

968
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 1: with the kids.

969
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 2: Good now, now, today, right now, what's the most fulfilling

970
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 2: thing about being an entrepreneur?

971
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 1: Being able to make your own decisions and everything is

972
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 1: just your vision and you don't have to, you know,

973
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 1: listen to anybody else, Like, this is your vision and

974
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 1: this is your dream, and you are your own boss

975
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: and you make your own hours and it's all it's

976
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:18,399
Speaker 1: all you.

977
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:20,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, which I love. Yeah, it is great. It is great.

978
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 2: What do you say to critics who say reality TV

979
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 2: is trash? It is?

980
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 1: It is, it is, and at one point I I

981
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 1: was trash and I'm fine with it. It is what

982
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 1: it is. No, reality TV is one hundred percent trash.

983
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 1: But that's why we love it.

984
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 2: We love it.

985
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:44,280
Speaker 1: We love watching train wrecks.

986
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true, amazing. Would you ever live abroad? And

987
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 2: if so, where.

988
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I don't think I'll ever leave Jersey.

989
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,319
Speaker 1: I'm very cozy in Jersey. Oh stop saying that. Yep,

990
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 1: I love living in Jersey. I always wanted to be

991
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 1: Jersey girls, So I did. I did my dream.

992
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 2: You're you're living the dream, got it, I'm living the dream.

993
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 2: What would the new GTL be for Snookie the wife

994
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:11,479
Speaker 2: and mom?

995
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 1: Like?

996
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 2: What three things does your day revolve around? Now?

997
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 1: Gt L? Groceries? What would be t I mean I

998
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 1: still doing it?

999
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:24,839
Speaker 2: Can be other things?

1000
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 1: Oh, groceries. No, so I would say groceries gym because

1001
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 1: I'm really hard in the gym right now. Groceries gym

1002
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 1: Martinie's mom and.

1003
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, g g mm yeah, groceries.

1004
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 1: Groceriess mom, Mom love it.

1005
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 2: G gmgm, GMGM.

1006
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 1: There you go.

1007
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:55,800
Speaker 2: Okay, what's something you regret doing on camera?

1008
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,839
Speaker 1: A lot of things, A lot of things. I can't

1009
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 1: really pinpoint one thing. But I also say like, I

1010
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:06,840
Speaker 1: don't regret anything because it made me the person that

1011
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 1: I am today. Yeah, so I'm like one of those

1012
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 1: people like the butterfly effects.

1013
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 2: Yep, same, but I.

1014
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 1: Mean embarrassing wise, like the whole thing. Just throw it out,

1015
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:17,839
Speaker 1: delete it all right.

1016
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 2: This last question is the one we asked at the

1017
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 2: end of every podcast. It's very important to me. When

1018
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 2: is it iced coffee season?

1019
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 1: Oh, I mean I'm still drinking my ice drink. Yes,

1020
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 1: so all year round?

1021
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 2: That is the correct answer, snooky, correct answer. It's here

1022
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:40,280
Speaker 2: we go all year round, no breaks.

1023
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 1: Zero degrees. I'm still getting my ice drinks.

1024
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 2: Same girl, Sam, Same girl, Sam, Nicole. This was so

1025
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 2: lovely to get to know you after watching you for

1026
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 2: so many years, and I'm so glad we get to

1027
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 2: continue watching you and all of the endeavors are doing.

1028
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 2: This will sound condescending, but like, I'm proud of you.

1029
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 1: Thank you, No, that does mean a lot. It does

1030
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 1: mean a lot.

1031
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 2: So thank you for your tity straight and yeah, you're

1032
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 2: making good decisions.

1033
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 1: I am for now.

1034
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 2: Well, we love watching you, and thanks so much for

1035
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:12,919
Speaker 2: coming on Off the Cop.

1036
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me.

1037
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 2: Coming up next week. On Off the Cup, I talked

1038
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 2: to Broadway and West End star Marisha Wallace.

1039
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 3: Everyone's on the feet crying, screaming, like going crazy, and

1040
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 3: I was like, well, that's when I knew that I

1041
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 3: had caught fire. I was like, Okay, this is where

1042
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:33,399
Speaker 3: I'm supposed to be.

1043
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 2: Off the Cup is a production of iHeart Podcasts as

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1048
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1049
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