1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,640 Speaker 1: Ronanian, Like I said, if you're in your forties and 2 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:05,600 Speaker 1: you haven't got a regular mechanic yet, something's wrong. There's 3 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 1: it's just strange to me. The Car Doctor, I think 4 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: you should go buy a new vehicle because you've got 5 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 1: an eleven year old vehicle with a hundred and fifty 6 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 1: thousand plus miles on it. The engine ran out of 7 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: oil in October. Welcome to the radio home of Ron 8 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 1: and Nian the Car Doctor. Since this is where car 9 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: owners the world overturned to for their definitive opinion on 10 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: automotive repair. If your mechanics giving you a busy signal, 11 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: pick up the phone and call in the garage. Do 12 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: orders are open? But I am here to take your 13 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: call at eight five five five six D and now 14 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:46,519 Speaker 1: he running. Hey, welcome morning the Car Doctor. Come on 15 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 1: insid down. Remember the phone number here is eight five 16 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 1: zero nine nine zero zero. This radio show is brought 17 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 1: to you also by podcast. You can get out the 18 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 1: Car Doctor Show dot com. There's podcasts there. 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I 29 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:25,039 Speaker 1: would think it's like Dragnet. Just the facts, man, that's 30 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:27,320 Speaker 1: all I want. I remember my first producer, way back 31 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 1: so many years ago, they said, just tell like it 32 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 1: is Ron trying not to get emotional about it. Of course, 33 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 1: I guess I've I've grown right, I've gotten a little 34 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: emotional from time to time because some things just make 35 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:39,680 Speaker 1: me insane when it comes to fixing cars. But everybody's 36 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 1: got their piccadillos and with um, I don't need further mentioned. 37 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 1: Let's let's get past those piccadillos and open the garage doors. 38 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 1: We're not gonna do an opening monologue right just yet. 39 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 1: Let's get over and talk to Let's go over the 40 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: line one talk to Jasper in Maine, two thousand three 41 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 1: GMC yukon Jasper, Welcome, to the car doctor. How can 42 00:01:56,000 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: I help? Thanks for ron appreciate. I'm calling from my 43 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: son here since he's at work and everything. He has 44 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: an oh three Yukon and five point three and lately 45 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 1: what's been happening to it is as he's driving, it 46 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: just will shut down, shut off, radio goes off. Um. 47 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 1: Gauges will all drop, but they come right back on. 48 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: He can restart the vehicle immediately. Um. It also is 49 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: very common to happen like whenever he's coming down to 50 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: a slow stop and as soon as he stops the 51 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,239 Speaker 1: truck it everything shuts off, but he can start it 52 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 1: right back up. Um. There's never any codes in anybody ever. 53 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:39,639 Speaker 1: Do any anybody do any diagnosis. We did a he 54 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 1: took it in and checked it for codes. No codes 55 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 1: came up. Check engine light does not come on. And 56 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: we checked for a ground wire I think on the 57 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:49,519 Speaker 1: back of the right bank cylinder head to make sure 58 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:51,959 Speaker 1: everything was tight. Um. I was told that there was 59 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 1: a ground and there before that has a habit of 60 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 1: loosening up or something. After we checked that and that 61 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 1: seems to be okay. Well there's two grounds back there 62 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: all right, And what we're what they're talking about it. 63 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: Let me tell you what I think it isn't, and 64 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 1: then I'll talk about ground one oh three. All right, Um, 65 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:10,919 Speaker 1: I don't think it's an ignition switch, but I want 66 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: to mention it because it wouldn't be completely impossible that 67 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:18,519 Speaker 1: this is a that this is an ignition switch issue. 68 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:20,799 Speaker 1: You know, think about it. You're driving down the road, 69 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: the car shuts off, you lose the radio, you lose 70 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 1: dashboard lights. It's almost like somebody turned off the key 71 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 1: right right, So you know where I would always start 72 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 1: this diagnosis after you go through a code scan and 73 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 1: I'm sure you're not gonna see anything there. Uh, you know, 74 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: I would just go to the battery, make sure the 75 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 1: terminals are good, clean and tight. You'd be amazed by 76 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 1: how many vehicles, especially GM side terminals I fixed over 77 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: the years, just loose terminals. And I couldn't tell you 78 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: why or how in terms of why they loosen up. 79 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: Some of them are on vehicles we work on and 80 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 1: seven eight months later, for whatever reason, the terminal will 81 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 1: loosen up, and you know, you snug it up and 82 00:03:55,120 --> 00:04:00,120 Speaker 1: you're you're fine. Um. That being said, I always think 83 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: about ignition switches and when I get down to the 84 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 1: painstaking part of it. What I will do is I 85 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: will take either a two channel scope or I will 86 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: take two voltmeters and hook up a a device. I 87 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 1: want to look at voltage into the switch and voltage 88 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 1: out of the switch. Typical GM ignition switch has two 89 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: powers in and one power out. All right, I'm not 90 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 1: saying I know that for a fact on yours. I 91 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 1: don't keep that in my head. But I would look 92 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 1: at a wiring diagram and look at my inputs and 93 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 1: my outputs, and I would want to make sure when 94 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: the vehicle fails, and I usually start on the outbound side, 95 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 1: all right, So I'm looking at the outbound leg of 96 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: the ignition switch that feeds the PCM and wakes up 97 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:46,280 Speaker 1: the dashboard and everything else. I want to look at 98 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,360 Speaker 1: that and say, hey that I lose voltage there if 99 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: and the way I would do that is I put 100 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:54,920 Speaker 1: the voltmeter in min max mode when and you could 101 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: duplicate this to see what would happen is by turning 102 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: the switch on and off, put the d v O M, 103 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:01,919 Speaker 1: put the digital meter in min max mode, turn the 104 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 1: key off. That voltage is gonna go where it's if 105 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: it's a constant failure because they get said no, well 106 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: a matter of a second, that comes right back on. Well, well, 107 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: hear me out. If you hook up a volt meter 108 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: two a source measuring twelve volts that's keyed by the ignition, 109 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:26,479 Speaker 1: and you turn the ignition off, what's gonna happen to 110 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: that voltage? I'm gonna read zero, right, yeah, it's gonna 111 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: it's gonna disappear. Min max mode in a in a 112 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:38,600 Speaker 1: in a meter gives you the ability to record the 113 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: minimum and the maximum voltage. So to answer your question, 114 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 1: if we put it in min maximo, Now, obviously you've 115 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:48,040 Speaker 1: got to put it in min max mode after you 116 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 1: hook it up, because if you do it prior, you're 117 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 1: always gonna see zero voltage. And then turn it on 118 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:55,919 Speaker 1: you're gonna go, well, okay, look at my min max 119 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 1: it's twelve and zero or fourteen point two and zero. 120 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: So hook it up, started up, connected, put them in 121 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:05,679 Speaker 1: max mode, and you know what duplicated see what would happen? 122 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:07,600 Speaker 1: I always say you have to test good cars, so 123 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 1: you know what broken cars look like. Turn the ignition 124 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 1: switch off. You should be able to review that on 125 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 1: the voltmeter and c zero all right, and then at 126 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:18,719 Speaker 1: least you'll understand what you're looking for and why. That 127 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 1: being said, take the car for a ride the next 128 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: time it happens. And it might be a little tedious 129 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: having to do this. And I've I've driven around New 130 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:27,719 Speaker 1: Jersey with two voltmeters and a lampscope pooked up to 131 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:29,839 Speaker 1: a car for two weeks at a time once in 132 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: a while, just trying to catch something in the act 133 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:34,280 Speaker 1: in order to fix it. And when it does, where 134 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: we lose the voltage? Where are we where are we 135 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 1: missing what we need to keep the car running? That 136 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 1: being said, all right, yeah, this could be any one 137 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: of a half a dozen connectors. But what's very common 138 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:50,720 Speaker 1: with these is ground one oh three and one oh four. 139 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 1: And it's not a question of it being tight. It's 140 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 1: a question of it not fraying. All right, in ground 141 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:01,720 Speaker 1: one oh three is more susceptible to it. You have 142 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: to get your oh I'm trying to think of how 143 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 1: to explain this. You have to crawl on top of 144 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:09,160 Speaker 1: the engine through this when it's cold and off, and 145 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: put your head in a position that it hurts, so 146 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: that you're looking right at the back of the distributor. 147 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: When when when the top of your head hurts. You're 148 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 1: in the right spot because that's where ground one oh 149 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 1: three is. This isn't something you're gonna see easily. All right, 150 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 1: You're not gonna see this easily. But ground one oh 151 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: three is a black lead coming off the passenger side 152 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: of the main engine compartment harness and it's usually hanging 153 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 1: on by a strand. And I've I've had them come 154 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: in the shop where identically description to you, all right, 155 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: And all I'll do is I'll just do it a 156 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: little a little flick of my thumb and four finger 157 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: the wire falls off the truck stalls. And the reason 158 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 1: is because my thumb and four finger broke the last 159 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 1: strand and a fifteen strand wire. So looking to see 160 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 1: that the ground is tight, yeah, that's good, But is 161 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 1: the harness broken? Typically the harness is stretched tight enough 162 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 1: that it pulls on the relief of the islet and 163 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 1: it will start to bend and break the wires over 164 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 1: over mileage and it just snaps and it just gets 165 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: to that point. That is more likely than the ignition 166 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 1: switch that is the main PCM ground lose that you'll 167 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 1: lose the vehicle. Alright, cirtas Yeah, but but I would 168 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 1: definitely focus on. There's two grounds back there. One oh 169 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 1: three is the light wire. One oh four is the 170 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:35,559 Speaker 1: heavy wire. One oh four will probably be in place 171 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 1: and fine. If they're both tight, look at the harness. 172 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: If you can pull on either wire and break it 173 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 1: off in your hand, that's bad and that's where you're 174 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 1: gonna start. Alright, sir, excellent, So that you know you 175 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 1: know what to find me, I can ne me jasper. 176 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 1: You're very welcome, sir. Good luck to you, Take good care. 177 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:56,839 Speaker 1: Nine zero. I'm Ronandy in the Car Doctor here to 178 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 1: answer your questions. I'll be back right after this. Yeah, 179 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: you find that ever? Welcome back when I meeting the 180 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 1: Car Doctor rolling along here at zero nine zero zero, 181 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: let's get over and talk to John Merrid in Connecticut. John, 182 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Car Doctor, sir. How can I help? Hey? Ron? Um? 183 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: I've learned so much from your show every week. It's awesome. Um. 184 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:48,439 Speaker 1: I have a Honda cr V and the battery and 185 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 1: the vehicles coming up on seven years old, so I 186 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 1: figured it's about time to replace it so it doesn't 187 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 1: leave my wife high and dry, the primary driver and 188 00:09:56,880 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: she works third shift. Should I just go back? Should 189 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:02,839 Speaker 1: I just go back to the Honda dealer and by 190 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:05,599 Speaker 1: another Honda battery or is there a particular type of 191 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:08,679 Speaker 1: battery that you recommend. Well, we we always talk about 192 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 1: power Frame Grid Technology and it's not necessarily a brand 193 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: of battery, but it's the technology that's in it. And 194 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:16,199 Speaker 1: to my knowledge, the only place you can get power 195 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 1: Frame Grid Technology batteries right now is at your local 196 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:23,839 Speaker 1: Advanced Total Parts and it's their Autocraft Gold series of batteries. 197 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 1: They are the power frame Grid technology is the best 198 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 1: in terms of construction. They've redesigned the technology and how 199 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 1: the plates and the grids are put together, and they 200 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: do last the longest. I have to tell you seven 201 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 1: years out of an original equipment battery. You exceeded the 202 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 1: the usual mark by about three years. So don't assume 203 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:44,719 Speaker 1: the next one is gonna last that long. And and 204 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 1: typically they don't always remember this. When you're dealing with 205 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 1: vehicle manufacturers, think of it like this, how long was 206 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:53,960 Speaker 1: the warranty on that car? Five years? Four years? Yeah, 207 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 1: they always make parts to last the warranty period, or 208 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 1: they try to make parts last the warranty period because 209 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 1: they don't want to have to. They don't want to 210 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 1: have to pay to fix them. You know, it's not 211 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 1: just a matter of the part. But in a dealership, 212 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: they've got to pay a tech, they've got to pay 213 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 1: the service department, and they've got to annoy you, the 214 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: customer that brought the vehicle, because you've got to bring 215 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 1: it back to to wait for repairs to be made. 216 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: So they can they can engineer things to a higher 217 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: level on on new cars when the cars first assembled 218 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 1: versus that replacement part. But power Frame grid Technology doesn't 219 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 1: care whether it's under warranty or not. They're just trying 220 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: to make a better battery. The folks at Johnson Controls 221 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: and power Frame grid Technology works better because of the design, 222 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:36,680 Speaker 1: and it's actually setting the battery world on its ear 223 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 1: if there is one that it's got everybody looking at 224 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 1: over their shoulders saying, hey, why don't we do this before? 225 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:45,559 Speaker 1: You can actually find more at power frame dot com 226 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:49,319 Speaker 1: and read about it there. You have a second question, John, Yeah, 227 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 1: we have a Sonata and for about the past year, 228 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 1: when you go to fill up the car um it 229 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: keeps clicking off. If you know, put the nozzle in 230 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 1: and you you know, squeeze the handle, it keeps clicking off. 231 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: If I pulled the nozzle out about an inch, it'll 232 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:11,560 Speaker 1: fill without clicking off. Where should I be looking for? 233 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 1: What's going on? Without any check engine light? No? Well, 234 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 1: let me let me take that back. About four years ago. 235 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: We did get a check engine light, and at that 236 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 1: time they replace the evaporative canister. Okay, And did the 237 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: problems start after that or it's only it only started 238 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 1: within the last year. It only started in the last year. 239 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 1: So I went several years after they replaced that canister 240 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 1: with no problem. Okay. Do you remember the fault code 241 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:41,559 Speaker 1: that had had at that time? Was it a P 242 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: zero four or four nine? I don't remember, not critical. 243 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 1: What's what's probably going on here is the sonatas have 244 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 1: a filter on the canister, event filter that basically, you know, 245 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 1: if you filled the gas can on the ground and 246 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 1: didn't open up the other side, the the can would 247 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 1: build up enough pressure that it would click click click click, 248 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 1: it would push, so it wouldn't it wouldn't allow fuel 249 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 1: to come in. You open up the other side of 250 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 1: that can, take the small bleeder off, or open up 251 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 1: the portal. It's gonna fill the can all day long. 252 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 1: Same idea. The charcoal canister has either a vent solenoid 253 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 1: or a vent filter on modern cars, and in the 254 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 1: case of the Sonata, the vent filter is very common 255 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 1: to clog. So even if the vent solenoid which the 256 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 1: filter protects, were to open, it can't breathe. It's it's 257 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 1: think of an air filter for the cards. It's trying 258 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: to push air through, but it can't, so it builds 259 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: up pressure in the system and clicks the pump off. Now, 260 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:49,680 Speaker 1: the same thing can happen. We've seen this before. We 261 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:52,839 Speaker 1: just had an older Ford in the shop that did this, 262 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: where spiders had gotten into the vent line back to 263 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: the neck. They built a little tiny spider web and 264 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 1: they create enough back pressure that the pump would constantly 265 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:05,559 Speaker 1: click off as well. Sort of if you think you 266 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 1: ever have a you ever have a barbecue in the backyard, 267 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: you know your gas grill, and you'll you'll get a 268 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: spider in there, and it'll build a nest where it's 269 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:16,959 Speaker 1: it's built the web, and then it doesn't ignite because 270 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 1: it can't push gas through the spider web. Same idea. 271 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 1: It creates pressure and prevents it from lighting. So you 272 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: know that would not be completely uncommon, Okay, and that filter. 273 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 1: The filter part is replaceable. That filter part is replaceable. 274 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 1: It's probably under ten bucks. It's it's pretty cheap if 275 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 1: you start to look up and read about that, or 276 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 1: get down to the hun day store and asking for 277 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 1: the vent filter for the canister. Now, the only caveat 278 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 1: I want to throw out here is it could also 279 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 1: be the solimoid. It can be something else. There's a 280 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: couple of things that can be. But you know, I 281 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 1: would at least take a look at the vent filter 282 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: just to see how dirty or restricted it looks and 283 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 1: go from there. As a matter of fact, if you, 284 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 1: if you, if you look in the owner's annual, I'm 285 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 1: almost certain they consider that part of normal maintenance under 286 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: the maintenance tables. Oh okay, I will I will double 287 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 1: check that. Good luck to you, John, You're very welcome, sir. 288 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 1: Um maintenance cannot be overlooked. I went to uh Well. 289 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 1: I took two classes this week, both put on by 290 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 1: the folks from Motorcraft from Ford. One was on the 291 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: six seven for diesel and the other on was on 292 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 1: Eco boost Ford gasoline engines. In both classes, both instructors 293 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 1: three instructors actually, because one one of the classes with 294 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 1: tag teams. Everybody still talks about maintenance, and it's it's 295 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 1: it's really it's kind of funny to hear a manufacturer's 296 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: rep because that's what he is talk about. Yeah, don't 297 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 1: believe the manufacturers recommended schedules. You still got to do 298 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 1: maintenance to the vehicle because it really comes down to 299 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 1: it's just that important. And I was sort of chuckling 300 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: to myself because I think about what the new card 301 00:15:56,000 --> 00:16:00,120 Speaker 1: dealer says. You know, there seems to be a a 302 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 1: dividing line that when you're buying the car, it's it 303 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 1: never needs anything, and then something happens once the check clears, 304 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 1: because the check clears, and all of a sudden, Oh, 305 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 1: you know what, your car is gonna need this and 306 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 1: this and this and this and this. And I'm not 307 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 1: picking anyone car line. I'm not saying anyone car line 308 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 1: does it worse or better than any others. It's just 309 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 1: it's just common sense. It's a piece of machinery and 310 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: that's all it is. And even with all the computers 311 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 1: in the world and and everything else under the sun 312 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 1: that vehicles have, you know what, they still require some 313 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: basic maintenance. It's just that important for him, Hey, let's 314 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 1: do a quick piece of email, Rod, what spark plugs 315 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 1: do you recommend for a two thousand eight tons of 316 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 1: five point seven? Thanks Joe, Joe, um listen, get yourself 317 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 1: out to dens O. Get out to dense O t 318 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 1: T dot com and read about the iridium t T 319 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 1: spark plugs. We use them quite often in the shop. 320 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, we did two sets this week. 321 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 1: The nice thing about the iridium well, first of all, 322 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 1: the nice thing about the irridiums is they're very price 323 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 1: point conscious. They come at a very good price point. 324 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 1: They're not crazy dollars. They're not, you know, thirty dollars 325 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 1: apiece like some of these precious metal spark plugs. They're 326 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 1: priced very well in the marketplace. They're also a bit 327 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 1: of a work of art. You look at how they're 328 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:23,120 Speaker 1: assembled in terms of manufacture and the the way there 329 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 1: laser welded in the technology. You know, it's it's you're 330 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 1: looking at the Mona Lisa of spark plugs. Every time 331 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:30,679 Speaker 1: I see one of these, I think that to myself 332 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 1: because they're really made with care. Another interesting fact, den So, 333 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 1: in terms of um, let me think of how to 334 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:44,639 Speaker 1: say this, product quality or manufacturing quality. They are the 335 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 1: only spark plug that I've come across in the last 336 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 1: three years that I don't have to gap out of 337 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 1: the box. And you can see the way they're packaged 338 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:57,400 Speaker 1: and wrapped, they're inserted, they're shipped correctly, so nothing's gonna 339 00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 1: get damaged. And I take that. You know, you can 340 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 1: tell the heart and soul of a company by the 341 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 1: way they represent themselves just in the way they package 342 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 1: the product. Because they put that much care in the 343 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: way the product is packaged, You've got to think about 344 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 1: how much care they put into the way they manufacture it. 345 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 1: But get out to dense O t T dense O 346 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:16,879 Speaker 1: t T dot com look at the iridium t T 347 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:20,200 Speaker 1: spark plugs, and I think you'll see what I'm talking about. 348 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 1: And they should make those for a two thousand eight Toyota. 349 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 1: They don't make them for every vehicle. And we're having 350 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 1: this conversation. It's just it's it's a matter of back filling. 351 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 1: And you know, if the volume of vehicles that are 352 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:32,640 Speaker 1: out there too, somebody asked me a while ago, happen 353 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 1: they don't make dens O t T s for a 354 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:37,640 Speaker 1: ninete g how many jeeps are left in the world 355 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 1: versus a two thousand eight Toyota, and they have to 356 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 1: look at it from a manufacturing point of view as well. 357 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:45,400 Speaker 1: But for a two thousand eight tons, yeah, they'll be there. 358 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 1: Get out to dens O t T dot com. Appreciate 359 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 1: the question, Joe. I'm on a nating the Car Doctor 360 00:18:49,880 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 1: and I'm back right after this. Take this. Welcome back. 361 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 1: Why I'm meeting the car Doctor here in the driver's 362 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 1: seat talking to you about your car at eight zero 363 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 1: nine zero zero want thank you for being allowing me 364 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 1: to be part of your weekend here your podcast. However, 365 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:18,200 Speaker 1: you're taking this broadcast and uh once again here to 366 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: help and answer your questions. Whatever you've got, whatever problems 367 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:23,439 Speaker 1: issues you may have with your car. Let's go and 368 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 1: talk to Jim Springfield, Illinois, two thousand eleven Chrystler team. 369 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:28,159 Speaker 1: See Jim. Welcome to the Car Doctor, Sir. How can 370 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 1: I help Hi? Ron? Yeah, it's nothing serious, but I 371 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 1: went in for an oil change and uh, it's a eleven, 372 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 1: so it's five years old and the radiator fluid been 373 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 1: flushed and filled. So they recommended that I do it, 374 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:48,680 Speaker 1: and I held held off because I got a local 375 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 1: guy I go to and U, Um, it's the red 376 00:19:55,119 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 1: U cooler and uh, well Chrystler said, use this, you know, 377 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: such and such type of fluid, and uh, I didn't know. 378 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 1: If they did a complete flush and fill, you could 379 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:14,119 Speaker 1: use press stone or peak or it would be best 380 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: for because it's a diet or Chrysler product. To go 381 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 1: back with that red red stuff, Well, it's it's Chrysler Orange. 382 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:23,879 Speaker 1: We call it. It's their Chrysler long life in in 383 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 1: two thousand and eleven. Here's here's the caveat. The reason 384 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 1: we've got specific coolants four vehicles is because of the 385 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 1: Mostly it's because of the type of metals that are 386 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:39,640 Speaker 1: being used to you know, in cooling systems, radiators and engines, 387 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 1: and there's there's issues with electrolysis if improper coolant is used, 388 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:51,359 Speaker 1: issues with cavitation where cavitation being where it'll aerate and 389 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 1: the water pump won't work as well. Um, it'll create 390 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 1: pockets and you'll have problems. So it's not a case 391 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 1: where one size fits all anymore in terms of coolin. Uh. 392 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 1: You know, interestingly, we were I was on the O'Reilly 393 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 1: otoparts website. Uh, this week looking at something at O'Reilly 394 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 1: oto dot com and I happen to come across cool 395 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:13,159 Speaker 1: and I was looking up something else and they have 396 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:16,400 Speaker 1: three pages of cooling types, everything from Prestone to xer 397 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:18,880 Speaker 1: X to Peak to you name it. It's all there 398 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 1: and it just shows you the diversity in terms of 399 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 1: what you what you have to go through at the shop. 400 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 1: I stock nine different types of cooling, just because it's 401 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:36,360 Speaker 1: the variety of And that's not everything, you know it's 402 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,880 Speaker 1: and where do you stop because we don't see every car, 403 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:42,680 Speaker 1: not anymore, not like it once was. Um, so your 404 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 1: question to me is should you use Chrysler? Can you 405 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 1: use something else? Yeah? I don't have a problem if 406 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: I have to use the Chrysler. I had just never 407 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:54,879 Speaker 1: heard of it before when I looked it up in 408 00:21:54,920 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 1: the Haynes Manual. It's that hybrid organic additive technology anti 409 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:04,879 Speaker 1: freeze O A T right. Um. And you can you know, 410 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 1: listen the folks, the folks at Prestone, at Peak, at 411 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:12,160 Speaker 1: at at you know, Xerox, all of them, they all 412 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:14,639 Speaker 1: make coolant that is compatible and it will work. You know, 413 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 1: this works with Chrysler, this works with you can do that? Uh? 414 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:19,679 Speaker 1: You know, here's here's the way I think of it. 415 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 1: And I guess this is a funny way. You know, 416 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 1: it's you got you guys know my piccadillos right after 417 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 1: all these years on radio. You ever watch that TV 418 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 1: show um Buying Alaska or Alaska The Lost Frontier where 419 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 1: they show you that that that family that homesteads the 420 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 1: farm up in the middle of Alaska. Right, yeah, it's 421 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:37,919 Speaker 1: pretty rugged, right, And I look at that and I 422 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 1: keep thinking to myself, how would you fix cars out there? 423 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,399 Speaker 1: Because you know it's they're thrilled when they can get 424 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 1: a bottle of oil. You know. Now, I got to 425 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:48,920 Speaker 1: look at the shop where I've got fourteen different viscosities 426 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: and brands and this nine different kinds of anti freeze, 427 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, how would it work? Right? So you know, 428 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:58,440 Speaker 1: up there, I guess you take whatever you can get. 429 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:00,920 Speaker 1: But you're down here. You can go to the Chrysler dealer. 430 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 1: You can use the Chrysler. You can go go to 431 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,639 Speaker 1: O'Reilly ooto Parts, and you know, you can use some 432 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 1: aftermarket derivative whatever they've got on sale if we want 433 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:10,400 Speaker 1: to try and save a couple of bucks. The key 434 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 1: is is the coolant you're using rated for the vehicle. 435 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 1: If it's rated for the vehicle, you're not hurting it 436 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:21,119 Speaker 1: because it is the correct composition and it's made for 437 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:25,919 Speaker 1: that specific application. Bottom line, are they all about the 438 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 1: same price? So? Oh no, listen some you know the 439 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:34,440 Speaker 1: price Chrysler some something unusual and prices or my experience 440 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 1: the Chrysler, I think is if I were to guess, 441 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 1: I think it's probably in the twelve it's probably a 442 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 1: little more than that, probably twelve the fifteen bucks a gallon, 443 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: and then the aftermarket stuff I've seen it in the 444 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 1: same range. So you know, it's also a matter of convenience. 445 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:56,159 Speaker 1: What can you reasonably get? But but no stretch of 446 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 1: the imagination, and for no reason, what I recommend just 447 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 1: draining out the radiator and either replacing it with standard green, 448 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 1: which doesn't work anymore, or draining out the radiator and 449 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,119 Speaker 1: refilling it. When you drain a radiator and just do 450 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 1: a radiator drain and fill. Theoretically, well, yeah, you're really 451 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,159 Speaker 1: only getting about a third of the capacity. You're not 452 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:21,159 Speaker 1: getting at all, that's number one. So you're contaminating the 453 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,119 Speaker 1: new stuff with the old stuff right away. You know, 454 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:27,360 Speaker 1: the other reason, the reason one of the main reasons 455 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:31,400 Speaker 1: you change coolant. Very rarely do I see I'll talk 456 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 1: from my experience from my seat. Very rarely do I 457 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,679 Speaker 1: see coolant not make freeze point protection that the freeze 458 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:41,360 Speaker 1: point wears out. It just doesn't happen like it once did. 459 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 1: And I'm not sure why. I think coolants are made 460 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 1: better and they're more tolerant. The reason I see coolants 461 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 1: getting changed, number one, they've reached their life cycle. It's 462 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: five years and out. But if I'm doing it early, 463 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 1: it's usually because the coolant is starting to turn a cidick. 464 00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 1: It's chemical composition is breaking down and turning into an 465 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,200 Speaker 1: acid basis like that high school science place you took 466 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 1: sophomore year. It was with the pH paper and the 467 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 1: soft with the acid in the base question. Yeah, I 468 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:09,880 Speaker 1: took that test. I didn't do so good. I became 469 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:13,399 Speaker 1: a mechanical how smart I am now? But anyway, um, 470 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 1: you know it's it's it's the acidity level, and you 471 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 1: don't want the cooling to be acidic because that's when 472 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 1: it will start to rot the system from the inside 473 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 1: out and damage the cooling system components, the water pump, 474 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 1: the seals the metallic portion of it, portion of it, 475 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,879 Speaker 1: and you'll you'll you'll have issues there. So it's always 476 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 1: best to do an exchange. I don't say flush, I 477 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:37,439 Speaker 1: say exchange. Flush denotes pressure in my mind, and exchanges 478 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,120 Speaker 1: a one for one with a machine that pushes in, 479 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 1: pulls out, pushes in, pulls out, and you know, does it. 480 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 1: And that's the other part of it. Doing a coolant 481 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 1: exchange versus a drain in fill will remove sediment that's settled. 482 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 1: So any particulate that's in the heat or core in 483 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 1: the bottom of the block, in the bottom of the 484 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 1: radiator places that not flow. Instead of doing a push 485 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:07,240 Speaker 1: me pull, you doing an exchange, we'll remove that contaminant 486 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 1: and promote longer cooling system life and vehicle and engine life. 487 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:16,199 Speaker 1: Yeah all right, yeah, they were quoting me rough roughly 488 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 1: for it. But that's just is that the cool inter, 489 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 1: that's the whole that's the whole process. That's that's that 490 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: that's just the coolant, that's the whole process. That was 491 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,399 Speaker 1: the whole deal. That's I don't know, I'm assuming it was, 492 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,199 Speaker 1: uh they called it and fell right, so you know, 493 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,359 Speaker 1: how are they doing it? You know, and that's and 494 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 1: that's the question. And for you and for anybody else listening. 495 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:41,199 Speaker 1: You go in somebody says, hey, it's time for a 496 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,680 Speaker 1: cooling service, ask him how are they doing it. Are 497 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 1: they hooking up a machine or they draining the radiator. 498 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,440 Speaker 1: If they're draining the radiator, they're stealing your money. It's 499 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 1: not worth the effort. Now the sad part is, and 500 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 1: then I'm gonna go. The sad part is some cars 501 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 1: you can't hook a machine up. There are some vehicles 502 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,960 Speaker 1: out there, the the some of the forge with the vulcan, 503 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 1: with a duel overhead cam motor, the V six, there's 504 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 1: no way to get a cooling system exchange on that. 505 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 1: It's very difficult. You have to make up some adapters 506 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:14,160 Speaker 1: and it doesn't work. And those cars we recommend earlier 507 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 1: than normal cooling flushes because we're constantly trying to remove 508 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,680 Speaker 1: old contaminated coolant that we know won't come out any 509 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,639 Speaker 1: other way. As far as the sediment, not much you 510 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 1: can do about it in that case, because the price 511 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 1: to do it will exceed the value of what you're 512 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 1: trying to work on. Um your particular car, it's easy 513 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 1: enough to do with the machines will take advantage of it, 514 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 1: just doing a radiator flush or a radiator drain where 515 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:40,360 Speaker 1: you can otherwise use a machine. Um, they should put 516 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 1: on a mask, and you know, pretend they haven't. They're 517 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:48,359 Speaker 1: stealing your money, so you'rege right, I'm talking. I'm talking 518 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,159 Speaker 1: exchange versus just to drain and fill. And typically in 519 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 1: exchange runs, you know, it's typically forty five minutes of 520 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 1: time plus cooling. So gauge that accordingly based on your 521 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 1: shops labor rate. Okay, all right, sir, okay, well, thank 522 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,359 Speaker 1: you very much. You're very welcome. Jim. Good luck to you, 523 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:05,720 Speaker 1: and have a good rest of the weekend. I'm running 524 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:07,919 Speaker 1: any in the car doctor, I'm back right after this. 525 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 1: Welcome back, then of the cart Oculist. Go over and 526 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 1: talk to David Franklin, New Hampshire, n Pontac Monagle. David, 527 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 1: Welcome to the car doctor, sir. How can I help? 528 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 1: Thank you? I've written everything down so in proper sequence, 529 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 1: but won't forget everything? Sure, go ahead, tell me what's 530 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 1: going on here? Not supers. I had to replace cheat 531 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 1: up for Laura intake manaphro baskets because water was coming 532 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 1: out of the on plug hole at the fireloads. I 533 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 1: did all the work I had, I had great instructions. Uh, 534 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 1: the job went through it. I didn't really have any 535 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 1: major problem. And I put a boll new Uh stopped 536 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,719 Speaker 1: room taking up boat on that plastic, that black plastic. 537 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 1: The frank and odor wouldn't stop. Uh wouldn't stop, wouldn't 538 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 1: that wouldn't st it. So I got out and pulled 539 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,560 Speaker 1: the pull out a couple of plugs. They were ripping 540 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 1: away with gasoline. So I went back on the internet 541 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 1: and I found that the fuel pressure regulator had a 542 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 1: recall in two thousand five. Well well, wait, wait a minute, now, 543 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 1: before you did all this work, did the car start. Well, 544 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 1: it started right up until my last street drag race 545 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 1: against some smart last teenager. But apparently that's what ruptured 546 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 1: the intake medical gasket. Okay, so what you're saying is 547 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 1: the car died ring while it was driving, just barely 548 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:08,480 Speaker 1: made it home. It kept wanting on fewer and fewer flanders, 549 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 1: and just barely made it in the driveway. All right, 550 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,480 Speaker 1: So pull out the plot and spring it over. And 551 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 1: that's when I saw the water coming out of number 552 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 1: one hole. All right. I did some of the internet 553 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 1: research because the first in the old days that would 554 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 1: have been intake man forecasts head gas one or the other. Yeah, 555 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 1: well apparently from what I learned on the internet, UH 556 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 1: made their head gas is bullet group and it was 557 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 1: most likely the the intake man full of gas. And 558 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that's what it was wrong because once 559 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 1: I get everything put back together and turned it over, No, 560 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:54,520 Speaker 1: no water came out. Okay, but it doesn't. But it 561 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 1: doesn't start, wouldn't start float it out, no doubt. It 562 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 1: flood it out if you pull the plugs out or 563 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 1: they dry or wet. Oh, they were dripping wet. They're 564 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 1: dripping and they're dripping wet with gasoline, yes, sir, Okay, 565 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 1: no water, there's no water any wood. By the way, 566 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 1: I changed you and filter just to be safe. Um 567 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 1: So anyway, g M Hading unposed had a recall on 568 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 1: the few regulator at home. Five. I wanted a two 569 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:31,720 Speaker 1: fructor games that haven't been in yet, so I replaced 570 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 1: the replaced a regular go back in the path. Then 571 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 1: they're over and it detonated inside the intake manifold, and 572 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 1: I was afraid I'd dropped that's back bar. I took 573 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 1: the flash. I went over the whole thing one you have. 574 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:54,959 Speaker 1: There's no cracks. But now, well, how would you know? Well, 575 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,480 Speaker 1: wait a minute, you're saying it detonated the intake manifold? 576 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 1: Did it? Did it in the induction system? Okay? And 577 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 1: it physically blew the intake manifold off? No, sir, no, 578 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 1: I thought it. I thought it erupted, but sitting and 579 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 1: I can't tell. Then I got out and looked in 580 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:17,760 Speaker 1: the intake manifold of what I thought. Then next, because 581 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 1: it wouldn't stop, I thought I perhaps had damaged the 582 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:27,240 Speaker 1: maths are for right, pull that out, and I checked 583 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:32,920 Speaker 1: resistance of across both coals and two homes were both 584 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 1: just about this thing. So we thought that I need, 585 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 1: I need. So what's your what's your what's your question 586 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 1: to me that? David? Well, well I want to start. Okay, 587 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 1: Well you know it's let's go back and cover the basics. 588 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 1: It ran before, it ran poorly, but it ran before 589 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 1: you took it apart, right, correct? All right? Does it 590 00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 1: have inject or pulse? Doesn't have spark? It has There's 591 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,200 Speaker 1: no doubt expect because now when I turned over, I 592 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 1: could hear firing. I could hear it's noise is inside 593 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 1: the exhaustist then where it's apparently pumping round gas and 594 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 1: they're detonating inside. Okay, do you have the wires on 595 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 1: right on the coil for the firing word? Yeah? I 596 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 1: check that three times. Okay, do you have injector pulse? 597 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,120 Speaker 1: Now you're gonna tell me yes, But how do you know? 598 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 1: I don't know. I didn't know how to check that. Mcmab. 599 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 1: A mechanic stethoscope would be nice to listen to and 600 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:31,960 Speaker 1: hear it click while somebody's cranking it over. Do you 601 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 1: have a scan tool? Yes, sir, watch after him. Okay, 602 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 1: so can you look at that a stream? Uh? Yeah, 603 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 1: I can look at it, but not rhying? Well, who cares? 604 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 1: Turn the key on? Look at that a stream? Do 605 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,480 Speaker 1: you get a reading out of the mass airflow sensor? 606 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 1: Do you get anything? Can you match that spec to 607 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:57,720 Speaker 1: what it should be? Key on, engine off, off, off? Well, 608 00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,080 Speaker 1: then it sounds like you know what, it sounds like 609 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 1: there's a problem in the mass airflow. The mass airflow 610 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 1: is gonna read something kean and off is gonna show 611 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:11,520 Speaker 1: some little bit of something across it. All right, Um, 612 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:15,400 Speaker 1: it should that's always been my experience. But you know, 613 00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,400 Speaker 1: next step is I would take a scan tool, look 614 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,600 Speaker 1: at pigs, look for something out of calibration. I would 615 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,719 Speaker 1: go back over everything very carefully, because I think you're 616 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:26,239 Speaker 1: getting into deep and you're missing something very basic in 617 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 1: terms of what you've already done. Call me back and 618 00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 1: let me know what you find. I'll be back right 619 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:55,400 Speaker 1: after this. Welcome back. We're on then of the car, 620 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,600 Speaker 1: Doctor James and Corning isisle. I got a minute and 621 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:03,319 Speaker 1: a half, go James, Yes, James, I got a minute 622 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:09,200 Speaker 1: and a half. What's your what's going on? Uh? Welle 623 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:14,320 Speaker 1: century Uh? I was driving it out on the flat land. 624 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:20,360 Speaker 1: I couldn't get it overtur which one sound kind of 625 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:25,440 Speaker 1: like a jet or something, you know. Wash, got it back, 626 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:27,920 Speaker 1: got it back home. Talked to the d g R. 627 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:33,239 Speaker 1: Valve Burnutt. I'm thinking a bad cat. Yeah, restriction in 628 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,879 Speaker 1: the exhaust very possible. Drop the front pipe and see 629 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,920 Speaker 1: what it does. Okay, I mean either that or you know, 630 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,480 Speaker 1: put a manifold vacuum gauge on it and see. You know, 631 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,560 Speaker 1: there's a build back pressure as you're driving down the road, 632 00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:47,040 Speaker 1: and it doesn't take much, you know, a pound or 633 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:50,759 Speaker 1: two of of back pressure. Old be more than enough 634 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:54,320 Speaker 1: to completely goof this car up in that way. And 635 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,799 Speaker 1: it's never run real real good when ever since I've 636 00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,480 Speaker 1: had it. But now it is slowly got worse. You know, 637 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:04,080 Speaker 1: is it? Is it dragging out the transmission shifts real quick? Yes? 638 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:08,120 Speaker 1: Or no? Yeah? Yeah, it's It sounds like restricted exhaust. 639 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,000 Speaker 1: So I would tell you to drop it down and 640 00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:12,840 Speaker 1: take it for a ride, or if you want to 641 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:14,960 Speaker 1: pull out one of the oxygen sensors, if that's easier 642 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,759 Speaker 1: for you, pull out the upstream mode too, obviously not 643 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,239 Speaker 1: that downstream and see if that helps it? Does that 644 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:22,759 Speaker 1: save you from having to pull the whole exhaust down? 645 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,080 Speaker 1: But thumbya, it sounds like you're headed for an exhaust system, James, 646 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,799 Speaker 1: I appreciate the opportunity to talk to you. For everyone else, 647 00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:31,360 Speaker 1: I'll running any in the car. Doctor. Mechanics aren't expensive, good, priceless. 648 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:31,880 Speaker 1: See you