WEBVTT - #704 Packers Unscripted: Draft debrief continued

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from

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<v Speaker 1>Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford. He is my

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<v Speaker 1>trusted colleague, Weston Hodkowitz. We're coming to you here from

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<v Speaker 1>disparate locations at lambeau Field and west There's more of

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<v Speaker 1>the draft class, the thirteen player twenty twenty three draft

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<v Speaker 1>class to review, and we will get to that in

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<v Speaker 1>a moment. But before that, there was a pretty significant

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<v Speaker 1>bit of news just the other day. The Packers have

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<v Speaker 1>extended Jordan Love's contract. Now, he was in a situation

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<v Speaker 1>where he was in the final year of his rookie deal,

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<v Speaker 1>but there was a deadline to exercise or not exercise

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<v Speaker 1>the fifty year option, which is part of a first

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<v Speaker 1>round draft picks contract. And a lot of times the

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<v Speaker 1>business of football is something that can be acrimonious, it

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<v Speaker 1>can be kind of ugly at times. In this case,

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<v Speaker 1>the business of football generated something that really makes a

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<v Speaker 1>heck of a lot of sense for both sides as

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<v Speaker 1>the Packers make this transition to Jordan Love and see

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<v Speaker 1>what the future holds.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know why I'm sitting here in this spot

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<v Speaker 2>and not up on three right now? Like Russ Ball

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<v Speaker 2>that contract that the Packers did with Jordan Love. Because

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<v Speaker 2>I'll be honest with you, Mike, until we actually saw

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<v Speaker 2>the report, until we saw the release come across her desk,

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<v Speaker 2>I hadn't even considered the possibility of the Packers end

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<v Speaker 2>up just coming to terms with him on a two

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<v Speaker 2>year deal as opposed to picking up the fifty year option, because,

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<v Speaker 2>as you said, it works out well for both parties.

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<v Speaker 2>Some people might say, well, for Jordan Love, why do this.

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<v Speaker 2>You're gonna get twenty million guaranteed if they pick it up.

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<v Speaker 2>But the thing is you're gonna get that money next year.

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<v Speaker 2>By doing it now, he gets the signing bonus, He's

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<v Speaker 2>able to get a little bit more cash pushed into

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<v Speaker 2>this season that benefits him rather than playing on the

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<v Speaker 2>fourth year of his rookie contract. In addition, it also

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<v Speaker 2>avoids the awkwardness of the Packers saying, hey, we're not

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<v Speaker 2>going to exercise you're our guy, but we're not going

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<v Speaker 2>to exercise a fifty year option. Because, as I was

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<v Speaker 2>told yesterday by Packers' Hall of Fame curator Brent Henzel

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<v Speaker 2>when I was working out down in the staff fitness area,

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<v Speaker 2>I think there was only something like eleven or twelve

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<v Speaker 2>of the thirty two teams actually exercise the fifty year

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<v Speaker 2>option on their first round picks from twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, only twelve had the fifth year option exercise as

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<v Speaker 1>it turned out.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's just incredible when you look at there's different

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<v Speaker 2>scales to what those contracts could be, and Mike, they're

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<v Speaker 2>getting pretty pricey.

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<v Speaker 3>To be able to exercise that option.

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<v Speaker 2>So for the Packers' perspective, not only does it allow

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<v Speaker 2>you now to have Jordan under control team control for

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<v Speaker 2>two seasons. If Jordan plays really well this year, it

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<v Speaker 2>allows them to work an extension to use next season

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<v Speaker 2>as a way to leverage that signing bonus with the proration.

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<v Speaker 2>And from Jordan's perspective, for a young man that got

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<v Speaker 2>a big signing bonus three years ago as a first

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<v Speaker 2>round pick, it allows him to get a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>more of a boost now as he enters your four.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And from a cap perspective, the Packers are taking

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<v Speaker 1>on a little bit more money on Jordan Love's contract

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<v Speaker 1>on this year's cap, and they restructured Darnell Savage to

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<v Speaker 1>kind of make room for that and to spread some

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<v Speaker 1>things out. But then it also takes off the table,

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<v Speaker 1>at least for now for twenty twenty four, having that

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<v Speaker 1>entire fifth year option be that you know, single one

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<v Speaker 1>year like you know, big cap hits. So it's about

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<v Speaker 1>for the Packers, it's also about managing managing the cap

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty twenty four, and then the contract is structured

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<v Speaker 1>as such where quite frankly, Jordan Love can end up

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<v Speaker 1>making more money than he would have on the fifth

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<v Speaker 1>year option if he plays well and you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>gets the playing time and hits various incentives and whatnot.

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<v Speaker 1>So there were incentives built in for Jordan Love to

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<v Speaker 1>sign this because over twenty twenty three and twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 1>four he has a chance to actually make more money

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<v Speaker 1>than he would have just playing out his contract and

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<v Speaker 1>then getting the option picked up. So like like, like

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<v Speaker 1>I said, it's something that just makes a heck of

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of sense for both sides. A very unique

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<v Speaker 1>situation obviously where the Packers had to make this decision

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<v Speaker 1>on the fifth year option on the new quarterback when

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<v Speaker 1>he hasn't been you know, QB one, He hasn't been

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<v Speaker 1>the starting quarterback in Green Bay yet to where you

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<v Speaker 1>you really have that full evaluation. So something that makes

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<v Speaker 1>sense for both sides and also just kind of puts

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<v Speaker 1>things at ease a little bit in terms of, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>Jordan Loves under contract for two more years. This is

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<v Speaker 1>how it's structured, and if he plays well, I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>they will start talking about an extension before this particular

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<v Speaker 1>extension runs out at the end of twenty twenty four.

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<v Speaker 1>And if things don't go well, which obviously nobody wants,

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<v Speaker 1>but if things don't go well, the Packers have mitigated

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<v Speaker 1>their financial risk a little bit and set things up,

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<v Speaker 1>then you know, to move forward in another direction.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, while paying him to be the starting quarterback because

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<v Speaker 2>there's no this season, there's no questions, there's no equivocation.

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<v Speaker 2>Jordan Love is the guy, and he gets paid like

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<v Speaker 2>that now rather than being a young man playing on

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<v Speaker 2>a fifth year contract. The other thing I just want

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<v Speaker 2>to touch on quickly that I think was really smart

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<v Speaker 2>from Green Bay's perspective is, with all due respect to

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<v Speaker 2>Daniel Jones, he had a nice season last year, but

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<v Speaker 2>you look at what happened with that purgatory that him

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<v Speaker 2>and the Giants fell into where they declined his fifty

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<v Speaker 2>year option. He actually makes some improvements, but probably doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>reach like quite a Pro Bowl type level this year

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<v Speaker 2>with Brian Dobbel. Well, then they had to end up

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<v Speaker 2>paying him four years, one hundred and sixty million dollars,

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<v Speaker 2>and now you're hoping that he can carry that over

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<v Speaker 2>for the Packers. Now again, it gives him two years

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<v Speaker 2>to learn a lot about Jordan Love here and determine

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<v Speaker 2>if this is going to be the guy for the future.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, Daniel Jones, hats off to him. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>he he ended up not getting the option picked up.

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<v Speaker 1>He played well enough to get the Giants to the playoffs,

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<v Speaker 1>they won a road game in the playoffs at Minnesota,

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<v Speaker 1>and he ended up getting paid big time quarterback dollars,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, really off of that that one playoff victory,

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<v Speaker 1>which was a tremendous performance by him. Kind of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you go back to you know, when Joe Flacco was

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<v Speaker 1>playing out his contract and ended up winning the Super Bowl.

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<v Speaker 1>Cashed in big time off of that Super Bowl win,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, that was a tough spot for the

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<v Speaker 1>Ravens to be and so the Packers trying to avoid that,

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<v Speaker 1>trying to be fair to the player, and it makes

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<v Speaker 1>sense for Jordan Love as we talked about in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of the financial incentives for him and to get to

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<v Speaker 1>get more money in his pocket. Now, So with regard

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<v Speaker 1>to the draft class, I know we kind of rehashed

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of it on our last show. I want

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<v Speaker 1>to throw some different questions at you, and this show

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<v Speaker 1>truly is unscripted. Wes doesn't know what I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>ask him, but the advantage that he gets is he

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<v Speaker 1>gets to answer the questions before I get to answer,

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't get to repeat his answers. So thirteen

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<v Speaker 1>player draft class obviously lots of guys that we talked

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<v Speaker 1>about and their potential heading into twenty twenty three and

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<v Speaker 1>the few cure. My first question for you, Wes, is

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<v Speaker 1>which of the offensive draft picks do you believe will

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<v Speaker 1>make the biggest impact on this team as a rookie.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's the clear answer here, I think is Jaden Reid.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to be stealing the top pick right off

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<v Speaker 2>of the board there, and for two big reasons. One,

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<v Speaker 2>before Jaden got to Michigan State, he was actually at

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<v Speaker 2>Western Michigan playing for Tim Lester, who's now on the Packers'

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<v Speaker 2>staff as a senior analyst. Right, if you remember going

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<v Speaker 2>back fifteen sixteen, seventeen years ago, Mike, the Green Bay

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<v Speaker 2>Packers drafted a young man in the second round out

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<v Speaker 2>of Western Michigan and Greg Jennings. Greg was an absolute

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<v Speaker 2>natural talent in this league, So I don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>draw comparisons between Reed and Jennings. The one thing, though,

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<v Speaker 2>that I think is indisputable is the fact that I

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<v Speaker 2>think Jaden is going to get a similar opportunity that

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<v Speaker 2>Greg got in two thousand and six when he came

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<v Speaker 2>in here to play right now off the bat and

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<v Speaker 2>show what his skill set is the Green Bay Packers, Mike,

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<v Speaker 2>if you look at how these free agent why don'ts

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<v Speaker 2>look right now now with Randall Cobbs signing with the

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<v Speaker 2>New York Jets, there isn't a lot out there, to

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<v Speaker 2>be honest with you, and I think it really would

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<v Speaker 2>behoove the Packers at this point, at least through the

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<v Speaker 2>offseason program scene, if maybe somebody gets comes unattached later

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<v Speaker 2>this summer, to just let these young guys play it out,

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<v Speaker 2>Let them get these reps with Jordan Love, let them

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<v Speaker 2>get comfortable in this offense and see who shines. And

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like Jayden Reid with his skill set, being

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<v Speaker 2>able to do the Jets sweep stuff, being able to

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<v Speaker 2>gain separation across the middle, being able to make contested catches.

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<v Speaker 2>This young man, with how physical he plays the game,

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<v Speaker 2>don't look just at the height and the weight with him,

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<v Speaker 2>look at the overall football player. I think there is

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<v Speaker 2>a golden opportunity for this kid as a second round

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<v Speaker 2>pick to make a contribution his rookie year.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I totally agree with you in that regard.

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<v Speaker 1>My selection in this category is, and I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>hedge a little bit here, I'm gonna say it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be one of the two tight ends. It's either

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<v Speaker 1>going to be Luke Musgrave or Tucker Craft. And I'm

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just I'm not sure which one because both of

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<v Speaker 1>these both of these young men have have an obstacle

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<v Speaker 1>for lack of a better word, to overcome to make

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<v Speaker 1>an impact as a rookie, but very different obstacles. From

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<v Speaker 1>Musgrave's point of view, it's the fact that he only

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<v Speaker 1>played two games his final year in college before getting injured.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been a long time since he's really been in

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<v Speaker 1>you know, full speed preparation playing football mode, so we

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<v Speaker 1>don't really know how that's going to go with Tucker Craft.

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<v Speaker 1>It's making that jump from the FCS all the way

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<v Speaker 1>to the NFL. Having played at a smaller school, now

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<v Speaker 1>played in a lot of big games, won a national

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<v Speaker 1>championship at South Dakota State and all that. But there

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<v Speaker 1>is a big jump in the competition from FCS to

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<v Speaker 1>the NFL, even more so than say most FBS programs.

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<v Speaker 1>So so they each have that to overcome. But the

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<v Speaker 1>reason I'm pointing to the type ends is just because

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<v Speaker 1>of the opportunity that I think will be there when

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<v Speaker 1>Josiah Deguara and Tyler Davis are the tight ends who

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<v Speaker 1>are coming back. Neither one of them established themselves as

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<v Speaker 1>a featured tight end in this offense during their time here,

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<v Speaker 1>yet now that potentially could still happen. They have the

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<v Speaker 1>experience they played in the NFL, they know this offense,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Packers are going to be looking to them

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<v Speaker 1>to be leaders. So I don't want to discount them entirely,

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<v Speaker 1>but the opportunity at tight end is tremendous for these

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<v Speaker 1>two young guys in Musgrave and Craft to come in.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's where I lean in terms of the offensive

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<v Speaker 1>impact as a rookie Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And the interesting thing about both Musgrave and Kraft is

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<v Speaker 2>that they're probably going to get a chance to play

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<v Speaker 2>right away. When you look at the tight end position,

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<v Speaker 2>especially in Green Bay, that hasn't always been a given.

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<v Speaker 2>Richard Rodgers when they drafted him in twenty fourteen, Andrew Corlis,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, was the starter at that point. When they

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<v Speaker 2>drafted Jermichael Finley in twenty oh nine, it was Donald

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<v Speaker 2>Lee who had been kind of entrench there for a

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<v Speaker 2>few seasons. There's always been this transition point, and right now,

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<v Speaker 2>depending on what happens with Mercedes Lewis if he doesn't return,

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<v Speaker 2>the Greeman Packers are very easily going to be rolling

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<v Speaker 2>with these two guys as inline options right from day one.

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<v Speaker 3>There'll be lumps that go along.

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<v Speaker 2>With that, but if you look at the overall skill

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<v Speaker 2>sets there, these guys are in that six foot five,

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<v Speaker 2>two hundred and fifty to two hundred and sixty pound range,

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<v Speaker 2>there's no confusion there. These are legitimate, big bodied, full

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<v Speaker 2>tight ends that can also run pretty well. Especially in

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<v Speaker 2>Musgrave's case, I mean, he's going to be a guy

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<v Speaker 2>that's going to stretch defenses vertically. Very exciting to see

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<v Speaker 2>where those guys are going to take this thing because again,

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<v Speaker 2>much like with Red, they are going to have an

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<v Speaker 2>opportunity off the bat right out.

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<v Speaker 3>Of Jump Street to contribute out of the gate.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and to go back to your selection too. What

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<v Speaker 1>I'm most excited about with Reed, and we talked about

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<v Speaker 1>it on our last show, is just seeing a very

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<v Speaker 1>different physical profile, a different a different body type, a

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<v Speaker 1>different skill set being incorporated into this offense as the

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<v Speaker 1>you know, quote unquote slot receiver or jet sweep option

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<v Speaker 1>type of guy, that type of physical profile. We haven't

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<v Speaker 1>seen it yet in this role in Matt Lafer's offense.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think I think there's potentially a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>excitement and interest there. Same question for you on the

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<v Speaker 1>defensive side of the ball, except you're not allowed to

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<v Speaker 1>pick Kyle van Ness because, as we talked about on

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<v Speaker 1>our last show, he very well could be starting Week one,

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<v Speaker 1>first snap of the season on the opposite side from

0:12:36.480 --> 0:12:38.760
<v Speaker 1>Preston Smith if for Sean Gary is not all the

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<v Speaker 1>way back from from his knee injury yet, so Lucas

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<v Speaker 1>van Ness would be too obvious a pick in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of defensive impact from a rookie. So aside from him,

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<v Speaker 1>is there somebody that that you think the fans should

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<v Speaker 1>have their eye on.

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<v Speaker 2>I love the Carl Brooks pick Mike, even from the

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<v Speaker 2>moment that I started working on his bulletin. When you

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<v Speaker 2>and I are sitting in the media auditorium on last Saturday,

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<v Speaker 2>this guy is Mike. Mike Daniels junior to me. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think, for whatever reason, the NFL still hasn't

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<v Speaker 2>caught on to six foot two, six foot three, three

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<v Speaker 2>hundred pound three technique defensive tackles. I've been covering this

0:13:15.040 --> 0:13:17.320
<v Speaker 2>league for ten years, and it still seems like that

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<v Speaker 2>position just doesn't get enough respect. We've seen, as I

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<v Speaker 2>mentioned Daniels, We've seen Aaron Donald, the Gino Adkins. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>the number of these guys that have been not just

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<v Speaker 2>rotational third down rushers, but three down players has skyrocketed.

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<v Speaker 2>Now Brooks is gonna make a big transition. Bowling Green

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<v Speaker 2>played him off the edge quite a bit. He's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>have to show he can play inside. But based on

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<v Speaker 2>the Senior Bowl, the Packers saw a lot of attributes

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<v Speaker 2>they like, and Michael, I don't care who you're playing

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<v Speaker 2>when you can consistently perform at the level that Brooks

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<v Speaker 2>did from true freshman year to his senior year at

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<v Speaker 2>Bowling Green, this young man put up incredible numbers his pressures.

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<v Speaker 3>Last year.

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<v Speaker 2>I think Pro Football Focus had him down with sixty

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<v Speaker 2>two pressures, the third most in FBS. As Lance Zerline

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<v Speaker 2>said when you and I did one of our recap shows,

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<v Speaker 2>don't just look at the mac and discount what this

0:14:10.480 --> 0:14:14.000
<v Speaker 2>kid did. This kid was a ball player from day

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<v Speaker 2>one at that school. So just very excited to see

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<v Speaker 2>what he could potentially add because I feel like since

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<v Speaker 2>the Kingsley Kiky thing didn't really work out, since they

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<v Speaker 2>lost Daniels, they haven't had that type of guy that

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<v Speaker 2>can come in and take some of that interior rush away,

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<v Speaker 2>some of those responsibilities away from from Kenny Clark. This

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<v Speaker 2>could be the dude if he shows that he can

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<v Speaker 2>have the type of skill set that translates to the

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<v Speaker 2>pro game. Yeah, and I'm going to go a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit different direction on this one. I'm actually going to

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<v Speaker 2>go with Carrington Valentine, the cornerback out of Kentucky, and

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<v Speaker 2>the reason I pick him a couple of different reasons.

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<v Speaker 2>With you look at the Packers' secondary right now. At cornerback,

0:14:51.960 --> 0:14:54.680
<v Speaker 2>the Packers really like what they have. Obviously, you have

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<v Speaker 2>veterans like Jay Or Alexander and Rasul Douglas. You're going

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<v Speaker 2>to give Keshawn Nixon every opera ortunity to be that

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<v Speaker 2>nickel corner. You have Eric Stokes coming back from the injury.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'll say this with regard to Valentine's you know,

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<v Speaker 2>potential impact and opportunity, we don't necessarily know how things

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<v Speaker 2>are gonna go with Keishawn Nixon at the nickel. He's

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<v Speaker 2>not been a full time defensive player in a role

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<v Speaker 2>like that yet in the NFL. The Packers have a

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<v Speaker 2>ton of confidence in him. Everybody wants it to go well,

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<v Speaker 2>but you just never know. You also don't know with

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<v Speaker 2>regard to stokes injury, pretty serious injury that he had

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<v Speaker 2>last year's same game as Gary, the game in Detroit,

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<v Speaker 2>and all signs, at least from what we've heard so far,

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<v Speaker 2>things looking pretty good. But again, you just don't know

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<v Speaker 2>when Eric Stokes will be back and at one hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 2>And on top of that, even if you take out

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<v Speaker 2>all those caveats and those are your top four cornerbacks,

0:15:47.520 --> 0:15:50.800
<v Speaker 2>the Packers are gonna play plenty of dime defense. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>with four cornerbacks on the field. If any one of

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<v Speaker 2>those four, you know, tweaks a hamstring, tweaks an ankle, whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>Carrington Valentine might be the next guy. I'm not saying

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<v Speaker 2>he will be. He might be the next guy up

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<v Speaker 2>who's going to be playing snaps in the dime. It's

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<v Speaker 2>entirely possible. Obviously, the Packers also sometimes use a third

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<v Speaker 2>safety in the dime instead of another corner. There will

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<v Speaker 2>be other options there. But if he balls out in

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<v Speaker 2>training camp and puts himself in that spot on the

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<v Speaker 2>depth chart, then suddenly he's one snap away from being

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<v Speaker 2>a key guy in the dime. So a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>you know, if sands and butts in that type of answer,

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<v Speaker 2>But I do think he's a young man to keep

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<v Speaker 2>an eye on and then also a potential special teams

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<v Speaker 2>impact player as well, just based on his position and

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<v Speaker 2>his profile coming out of college. Yeah, I honestly don't

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<v Speaker 2>think there's any way you can go wrong with Valentine

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<v Speaker 2>this year. If it ends up working out that he

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<v Speaker 2>plays out of the gate, as you kind of outlined,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a win. I mean, the young man getting those

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<v Speaker 2>type of reps early on could be really beneficial for

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<v Speaker 2>his long term prospects given what you know guys like

0:16:52.000 --> 0:16:54.400
<v Speaker 2>Mel Kuiper have said about him. I also think with

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<v Speaker 2>him being as young as he is, the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>he was a junior entrant into this year's draft, if

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<v Speaker 2>he sits the entire season, that also could be really

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<v Speaker 2>helpful for him down the line. He is, by the

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<v Speaker 2>definition of his own word, a pressman corner, a guy

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<v Speaker 2>that likes to play physical, guy that likes the challenge

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<v Speaker 2>of lining up against somebody and trying to shut them

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<v Speaker 2>down on an island outside.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the one.

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<v Speaker 2>Area where I felt like Green Bay was kind of

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<v Speaker 2>needing some bodies this offseason because with the situation with

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<v Speaker 2>Stokes not knowing what that was, with the fact that

0:17:22.760 --> 0:17:25.080
<v Speaker 2>Rasul Douglas is out there for now but is really

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<v Speaker 2>maybe their most versatile option in terms of needing to

0:17:27.920 --> 0:17:31.119
<v Speaker 2>plug in place somewhere else based on injuries, they haven't

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<v Speaker 2>necessarily had the guy that can be the next perimeter

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<v Speaker 2>man up. I just think that Valentine that's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be an awesome opportunity for him coming in And also,

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<v Speaker 2>seeing as you said, Mike, who emerges in the nickel,

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<v Speaker 2>who emerges in the dime, What happens if you move

0:17:45.480 --> 0:17:48.000
<v Speaker 2>guys around at safety, if somebody moves down into the

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<v Speaker 2>box at times, then who's filling in in the back end.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not just going to be Valentine competing with his

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<v Speaker 2>position group in those corners. It's going to be competing

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<v Speaker 2>with Inness Gains. It's going to be competing, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>with some of those returning start you know, trends from

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<v Speaker 2>last year, like Rudy Ford and Dallan Lovett. So many

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<v Speaker 2>different ways this thing can go. But for Green Bay,

0:18:06.600 --> 0:18:08.640
<v Speaker 2>a team that is kind of in a transition right

0:18:08.640 --> 0:18:11.399
<v Speaker 2>now with Adrian Amos not being re signed at the moment,

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<v Speaker 2>that could very well mean one of these young guys

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<v Speaker 2>that we don't necessarily are going to be talking a

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<v Speaker 2>lot about this summer could end up being an entrenched

0:18:19.560 --> 0:18:22.280
<v Speaker 2>player on this defense come September. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, I've got a couple more questions for you, Wes,

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0:18:49.640 --> 0:18:53.000
<v Speaker 1>next question for you. The Packers drafted four players in

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<v Speaker 1>the seventh round of this draft, and over the last

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five years here in Green Bay, we have seen

0:18:59.119 --> 0:19:05.359
<v Speaker 1>seventh rounders like Donald Driver, Mark Touscher, Scott Wells, Sam Barrington,

0:19:05.720 --> 0:19:10.200
<v Speaker 1>Brad Jones. Guys who have you know taken that seventh

0:19:10.280 --> 0:19:15.200
<v Speaker 1>round selection and created a career careers of different degrees

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<v Speaker 1>for themselves. So my question to you is, with regard

0:19:18.840 --> 0:19:22.400
<v Speaker 1>to the four seventh round picks, don't sleep on.

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<v Speaker 3>Who Anthony Johnson Jr.

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<v Speaker 2>I was surprised he was still there as I was

0:19:28.320 --> 0:19:32.520
<v Speaker 2>talking to you about Mike. Our general knowledge of prospects dwindles. Right,

0:19:32.680 --> 0:19:35.119
<v Speaker 2>we are not going to know the Carrington Valentines as

0:19:35.160 --> 0:19:37.920
<v Speaker 2>well Valentine's as well as the scouts will come those

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<v Speaker 2>final you know, fifty picks, right, But Anthony Johnson Junior

0:19:41.480 --> 0:19:43.520
<v Speaker 2>was actually one I did notice in the pre draft

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<v Speaker 2>process as you're kind of looking at who can be

0:19:45.200 --> 0:19:48.480
<v Speaker 2>safety options. Certainly Brian Branch was there earlier the Penn

0:19:48.520 --> 0:19:51.879
<v Speaker 2>State kid, but Johnson once he was on the board

0:19:51.920 --> 0:19:54.080
<v Speaker 2>still in the seventh round. I thought this guy made

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of sense for green Bay because he checks

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<v Speaker 2>one of the major boxes for green Bay in that

0:19:59.240 --> 0:20:01.440
<v Speaker 2>there is a lot of value, there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>you know, potential with a guy that's making a transition

0:20:04.880 --> 0:20:07.400
<v Speaker 2>from cornerback to safety, it's basically playing a new position.

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<v Speaker 2>Thought it was very mature of him to go back

0:20:09.760 --> 0:20:14.120
<v Speaker 2>to Iowa State this past year working with Matt Campbell,

0:20:14.200 --> 0:20:16.080
<v Speaker 2>understanding that hey, if I want to be a pro

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<v Speaker 2>and my position is going to be safety, I need

0:20:18.640 --> 0:20:21.080
<v Speaker 2>to learn that position at the college level as opposed

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<v Speaker 2>to being an undrafted for AID and trying to make

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<v Speaker 2>a transition in a tr NFL training camp. He put

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<v Speaker 2>in those hours. I think the upside is there. But

0:20:28.960 --> 0:20:31.000
<v Speaker 2>the fact of the matter is the kid played sixty

0:20:31.040 --> 0:20:33.840
<v Speaker 2>two college games. Mike, he had fifty four starts at

0:20:33.840 --> 0:20:37.280
<v Speaker 2>Iowa State. Hearing him talk on the on the radio

0:20:37.359 --> 0:20:41.600
<v Speaker 2>on the conference call again, I kept hearing Micah Hyde

0:20:41.600 --> 0:20:46.000
<v Speaker 2>in my ear He is mature, he is posed, and

0:20:46.119 --> 0:20:49.159
<v Speaker 2>he is really confident in what he can do on

0:20:49.160 --> 0:20:51.480
<v Speaker 2>the field, not in an arrogant way just to nay, hey,

0:20:51.560 --> 0:20:54.160
<v Speaker 2>I just need an opportunity and I'll show you kind

0:20:54.160 --> 0:20:56.359
<v Speaker 2>of way of doing things. And the fact that he

0:20:56.440 --> 0:20:58.679
<v Speaker 2>ended up being a second team All Big Twelve safety

0:20:58.760 --> 0:21:01.920
<v Speaker 2>last year he finally got his first two college interceptions.

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<v Speaker 2>I think their packers are only scratching the surface with

0:21:04.840 --> 0:21:08.399
<v Speaker 2>this kid, and even better, in his perspective, it's a

0:21:08.400 --> 0:21:10.600
<v Speaker 2>position a need for Green Bay. We don't know who's

0:21:10.640 --> 0:21:12.640
<v Speaker 2>going to be lining up next to Darnell Savage. Yet

0:21:12.960 --> 0:21:14.360
<v Speaker 2>now you have a young guy that you can put

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<v Speaker 2>into the system and see what you have.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I really like that. I like that pick as

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<v Speaker 1>well in terms of, you know, not sleeping on a

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<v Speaker 1>seventh round pick. I'll just also throw out there, Grant

0:21:23.359 --> 0:21:27.360
<v Speaker 1>Dubo's the wide receiver from Charlotte, and you know, I'm

0:21:27.359 --> 0:21:29.720
<v Speaker 1>not saying, you know, it's like, obviously everybody knows Donald

0:21:29.800 --> 0:21:32.240
<v Speaker 1>Driver's seventh round story and he's the you know, leading

0:21:32.240 --> 0:21:34.680
<v Speaker 1>receiver in franchise history. I'm not going to go there

0:21:35.800 --> 0:21:38.959
<v Speaker 1>with with Grant Duba's by any means, but his story

0:21:39.080 --> 0:21:41.479
<v Speaker 1>is very interesting in terms of, you know, playing at

0:21:41.480 --> 0:21:45.040
<v Speaker 1>a school that then essentially canceled its football program. During COVID,

0:21:45.280 --> 0:21:48.360
<v Speaker 1>he's not even really sure, you know, where to go.

0:21:48.760 --> 0:21:52.040
<v Speaker 1>He ends up at a program like Charlotte, and you know,

0:21:52.160 --> 0:21:55.399
<v Speaker 1>having taken a chunk of time off from football, and

0:21:55.440 --> 0:21:58.800
<v Speaker 1>he plays really really well and plays himself onto draft

0:21:58.800 --> 0:22:02.600
<v Speaker 1>boards and and and get some notice. He's a he's

0:22:02.640 --> 0:22:05.240
<v Speaker 1>a he's a wide receiver. You know. You throw around

0:22:05.320 --> 0:22:08.200
<v Speaker 1>the term raw prospect, you know, and that gets tossed

0:22:08.240 --> 0:22:10.280
<v Speaker 1>around a lot, but he really is kind of the

0:22:10.320 --> 0:22:13.840
<v Speaker 1>definition of that. Like nobody knows just how good he

0:22:13.960 --> 0:22:17.120
<v Speaker 1>might be because quite frankly, he hasn't played a lot

0:22:17.160 --> 0:22:19.840
<v Speaker 1>of high level football yet. But what he what he

0:22:19.920 --> 0:22:23.080
<v Speaker 1>has done, and when he has played, he's produced. So

0:22:23.920 --> 0:22:26.600
<v Speaker 1>there are a lot there's there's a lot of potential,

0:22:26.640 --> 0:22:29.479
<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of upside. There a lot of unknown

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<v Speaker 1>as to as to just how good he can be.

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<v Speaker 1>And he's coming into he's coming into a receiver room

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<v Speaker 1>that is awfully young as well, as we've talked about

0:22:39.359 --> 0:22:42.160
<v Speaker 1>on our previous shows, that a lot of these young

0:22:42.160 --> 0:22:44.159
<v Speaker 1>guys are going to be taking their lumps and learning

0:22:44.200 --> 0:22:46.560
<v Speaker 1>things together and all that, and you just never know

0:22:46.600 --> 0:22:48.800
<v Speaker 1>if maybe a seventh round pick, you know, who is

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<v Speaker 1>actually the last of the Packers thirteen selections, you know,

0:22:52.680 --> 0:22:54.479
<v Speaker 1>ends up being a guy who starts to uh, who

0:22:54.560 --> 0:22:56.919
<v Speaker 1>starts to rise up when when the pads go on

0:22:56.960 --> 0:22:59.679
<v Speaker 1>in training camp and with those preseason games. We'll just

0:22:59.720 --> 0:23:02.600
<v Speaker 1>have to so very intriguing prospect for a guy that

0:23:02.880 --> 0:23:07.439
<v Speaker 1>the Packers selected thirteenth out of their thirteen picks.

0:23:07.480 --> 0:23:10.959
<v Speaker 2>There so so many things like to about to Bo's too.

0:23:10.960 --> 0:23:13.080
<v Speaker 2>If I can just add this in, Mike, in addition

0:23:13.119 --> 0:23:14.640
<v Speaker 2>to the fact that I don't know if you've got

0:23:14.640 --> 0:23:17.320
<v Speaker 2>a chance to see his video of him getting selected,

0:23:17.840 --> 0:23:20.159
<v Speaker 2>it's probably up there with Tucker Craft as far as

0:23:20.200 --> 0:23:23.720
<v Speaker 2>the most emotional and also probably the most entertaining. I

0:23:23.760 --> 0:23:26.199
<v Speaker 2>mean that young man could not get his family to

0:23:26.240 --> 0:23:28.040
<v Speaker 2>be quiet to talk on the phone.

0:23:28.280 --> 0:23:28.800
<v Speaker 3>He must have.

0:23:28.840 --> 0:23:33.080
<v Speaker 2>Had forty five people in his house and everybody was

0:23:33.119 --> 0:23:36.200
<v Speaker 2>just going absolutely crazy. And if you look at his story,

0:23:36.520 --> 0:23:40.480
<v Speaker 2>the fact that he got one scholarship offer coming out

0:23:41.000 --> 0:23:43.760
<v Speaker 2>out of Montgomery, he ends up, as you said, the

0:23:43.800 --> 0:23:47.920
<v Speaker 2>program suspended. He had a kid he knew from Montgomery

0:23:47.960 --> 0:23:50.960
<v Speaker 2>that he kind of got in a circle with practicing,

0:23:51.240 --> 0:23:53.080
<v Speaker 2>and he's the one that encouraged him to go try

0:23:53.160 --> 0:23:56.679
<v Speaker 2>out at Charlotte. The kid his first target at the school.

0:23:56.720 --> 0:23:59.840
<v Speaker 2>His junior season is a fifty six yard touchdown against

0:24:00.040 --> 0:24:02.800
<v Speaker 2>Duke and for to have one hundred and twenty six

0:24:02.880 --> 0:24:05.280
<v Speaker 2>catches in two seasons to put himself on.

0:24:05.240 --> 0:24:06.480
<v Speaker 3>The radar the way he has.

0:24:07.240 --> 0:24:09.320
<v Speaker 2>These are the type of stories you root for as

0:24:09.359 --> 0:24:12.600
<v Speaker 2>fans but also from scouts that you really salivate about

0:24:13.040 --> 0:24:15.640
<v Speaker 2>because you don't even know what this kid could could

0:24:15.680 --> 0:24:18.520
<v Speaker 2>potentially do. And when you're taking flyers on guys in

0:24:18.560 --> 0:24:22.760
<v Speaker 2>the seventeenth you know, the seventh round, thirteenth pick, you

0:24:22.800 --> 0:24:24.960
<v Speaker 2>want to find attributes, You want to find things that

0:24:25.040 --> 0:24:28.480
<v Speaker 2>jump off the film, and Dubo's definitely checks all of

0:24:28.480 --> 0:24:29.240
<v Speaker 2>those boxes.

0:24:29.440 --> 0:24:31.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And it's funny just to go back to one

0:24:31.119 --> 0:24:33.040
<v Speaker 1>of your other selections when you talk about, you know,

0:24:33.200 --> 0:24:35.280
<v Speaker 1>stories and maybe guys you want to dig into a

0:24:35.320 --> 0:24:37.800
<v Speaker 1>little bit more and just find out their story. Carl

0:24:37.840 --> 0:24:40.000
<v Speaker 1>Brooks from Bowling Green is that guy for me, just

0:24:40.040 --> 0:24:44.480
<v Speaker 1>because Bowling Green is he is the only the third

0:24:44.720 --> 0:24:47.880
<v Speaker 1>draft pick from that school in the last fifteen years.

0:24:48.440 --> 0:24:50.840
<v Speaker 1>All three of those draft picks in a fifteen year

0:24:50.840 --> 0:24:54.880
<v Speaker 1>span have all been sixth rounders. So a football factory

0:24:54.920 --> 0:24:57.400
<v Speaker 1>Bowling Green is not right. And this is a young

0:24:57.440 --> 0:25:00.680
<v Speaker 1>man who had would have had every op opportunity to

0:25:01.359 --> 0:25:05.639
<v Speaker 1>go somewhere, you know, a higher profile school, to raise

0:25:05.640 --> 0:25:10.280
<v Speaker 1>his own personal profile, potentially getting out of a program

0:25:10.359 --> 0:25:12.760
<v Speaker 1>that that was really struggling, and yet he ends up

0:25:12.800 --> 0:25:15.520
<v Speaker 1>staying there five years, you know, starting forty plus close

0:25:15.560 --> 0:25:18.520
<v Speaker 1>to fifty games or or whatever. And you know, to

0:25:18.600 --> 0:25:21.320
<v Speaker 1>me his story, it's like, why did you stay? Like

0:25:21.760 --> 0:25:23.959
<v Speaker 1>why did you stay at Bowling Green? How you know,

0:25:24.600 --> 0:25:26.960
<v Speaker 1>how attractive might it have been to go somewhere else?

0:25:27.000 --> 0:25:28.639
<v Speaker 1>Do you think you were taking a risk with your

0:25:28.680 --> 0:25:31.440
<v Speaker 1>own future by staying there as opposed to trying to

0:25:31.520 --> 0:25:34.240
<v Speaker 1>raise your profile like that kind of thing. So his

0:25:34.240 --> 0:25:36.720
<v Speaker 1>his story to me is very interesting as well, and.

0:25:36.680 --> 0:25:38.719
<v Speaker 2>It was so funny how humble he was about it too,

0:25:38.720 --> 0:25:40.800
<v Speaker 2>because he just says, off the cuff, oh, yeah, you know,

0:25:40.920 --> 0:25:43.320
<v Speaker 2>after my junior year, I could have transferred somewhere else.

0:25:43.640 --> 0:25:46.240
<v Speaker 2>There were some opportunities. He doesn't mention that Bowling Green

0:25:46.320 --> 0:25:47.080
<v Speaker 2>was zero to five.

0:25:47.320 --> 0:25:47.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they didn't.

0:25:47.960 --> 0:25:50.760
<v Speaker 1>They didn't even win a game during their shortened COVID season.

0:25:50.800 --> 0:25:53.000
<v Speaker 1>They would win a single game, and he and he

0:25:53.080 --> 0:25:56.520
<v Speaker 1>was injured for a good portion of that of the

0:25:56.560 --> 0:25:59.320
<v Speaker 1>COVID season. In twenty twenty as well. So it was

0:25:59.320 --> 0:26:02.399
<v Speaker 1>an interesting story there real quickly. And I'm going to

0:26:02.440 --> 0:26:04.479
<v Speaker 1>put you on the spot here before we get to

0:26:04.800 --> 0:26:08.439
<v Speaker 1>some of our closing thoughts. But Packers signed about a

0:26:08.560 --> 0:26:12.920
<v Speaker 1>dozen undrafted free agents that will be part of the

0:26:13.080 --> 0:26:16.520
<v Speaker 1>rookie mini camp and and the offseason roster here moving

0:26:16.560 --> 0:26:19.560
<v Speaker 1>forward into training camp. Anybody on that list of the

0:26:19.920 --> 0:26:22.280
<v Speaker 1>of the undrafted free agents that kind of that kind

0:26:22.320 --> 0:26:24.480
<v Speaker 1>of caught your eye and that that you know, you

0:26:24.560 --> 0:26:27.080
<v Speaker 1>want to want to get them on the fans radar

0:26:27.400 --> 0:26:28.680
<v Speaker 1>right from the get go here.

0:26:28.680 --> 0:26:30.360
<v Speaker 3>Well, Brenton Cox is the biggest one.

0:26:30.359 --> 0:26:32.720
<v Speaker 2>He's the biggest name when you look at the kid,

0:26:32.840 --> 0:26:35.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, a former five star recruit at Georgia. He

0:26:35.920 --> 0:26:38.680
<v Speaker 2>leaves Georgia, he goes to Florida. He doesn't finish last

0:26:38.720 --> 0:26:42.480
<v Speaker 2>year with Georgia or with Florida, but was incredibly productive

0:26:42.600 --> 0:26:45.479
<v Speaker 2>his his junior season. A lot to like from an

0:26:45.480 --> 0:26:48.639
<v Speaker 2>intangible standpoint. And again, even though they did draft Lucas Fanness,

0:26:48.760 --> 0:26:50.719
<v Speaker 2>still a lot of opportunity there at edge rusher if

0:26:50.720 --> 0:26:53.560
<v Speaker 2>that's for Green Bay ultimately decides to play him. But

0:26:53.640 --> 0:26:55.400
<v Speaker 2>the other one, if I can just really quickly touch

0:26:55.400 --> 0:26:57.560
<v Speaker 2>on it, Henry Pearson is the name. I have an

0:26:57.600 --> 0:27:00.000
<v Speaker 2>eye on Mike because for the first time in four years,

0:27:00.119 --> 0:27:04.359
<v Speaker 2>the Packers have a full back on their roster. That's

0:27:04.440 --> 0:27:07.320
<v Speaker 2>just he's from app State. I believe he played with

0:27:07.359 --> 0:27:08.640
<v Speaker 2>Shamar John Charles there.

0:27:09.400 --> 0:27:09.960
<v Speaker 3>This kid.

0:27:10.080 --> 0:27:12.320
<v Speaker 2>He's a pass catching fullback, Mike, and if you're going

0:27:12.359 --> 0:27:15.600
<v Speaker 2>to survive as a full back in twenty twenty three

0:27:15.640 --> 0:27:17.640
<v Speaker 2>in the National Football League, you have to be able

0:27:17.640 --> 0:27:20.240
<v Speaker 2>to catch the football. He did that seventy four career

0:27:20.280 --> 0:27:23.920
<v Speaker 2>catches during his college career. The only year the Packers

0:27:24.000 --> 0:27:27.720
<v Speaker 2>kept a full back on the roster was Danny Vitally,

0:27:28.560 --> 0:27:31.480
<v Speaker 2>I should say during Matt Lafleur's four years as head coach.

0:27:31.960 --> 0:27:34.320
<v Speaker 3>Danny Vitally in twenty nineteen.

0:27:34.359 --> 0:27:37.680
<v Speaker 2>And I remember having this conversation with Aaron Jones back then.

0:27:38.080 --> 0:27:39.800
<v Speaker 2>You give a lot of credit to Joside, to Gwara,

0:27:39.840 --> 0:27:41.760
<v Speaker 2>how he's filled that Swiss Army knife role, the h

0:27:41.840 --> 0:27:43.879
<v Speaker 2>back role, how prevalent that is for the Packers in

0:27:43.880 --> 0:27:46.200
<v Speaker 2>Green Bay. But I remember Aaron Jones telling me there's

0:27:46.280 --> 0:27:49.080
<v Speaker 2>just something about running behind a full back that is different,

0:27:49.640 --> 0:27:51.679
<v Speaker 2>and it has become kind of a luxury position with

0:27:51.720 --> 0:27:53.800
<v Speaker 2>fifty three man rosters but I'll tell you what, Mike,

0:27:54.080 --> 0:27:56.000
<v Speaker 2>if Pearson comes in and shows that he can catch

0:27:56.000 --> 0:27:58.280
<v Speaker 2>the football on block and do all those little on tangibles,

0:27:58.480 --> 0:28:00.320
<v Speaker 2>I still think there's always going to be a plays

0:28:00.359 --> 0:28:02.000
<v Speaker 2>for a full back in Green Bay if they show

0:28:02.040 --> 0:28:02.760
<v Speaker 2>that they can play.

0:28:03.160 --> 0:28:06.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm with you on uh certainly on Brenton Cox

0:28:06.680 --> 0:28:11.160
<v Speaker 1>being the biggest name amongst those undrafted free agents. Obviously,

0:28:11.200 --> 0:28:13.440
<v Speaker 1>he's had the off field issues, got dismissed from a

0:28:13.440 --> 0:28:17.399
<v Speaker 1>couple of SEC programs, both Georgia and Florida. This is

0:28:17.400 --> 0:28:19.919
<v Speaker 1>a young man who was going to be drafted. He

0:28:19.960 --> 0:28:22.080
<v Speaker 1>would have had his name called if not for the

0:28:22.119 --> 0:28:24.720
<v Speaker 1>off field stuff. So the Packers are taking a chance here.

0:28:25.040 --> 0:28:27.239
<v Speaker 1>Obviously it's one of those players that you know you

0:28:27.280 --> 0:28:29.600
<v Speaker 1>give a very short leash. He knows that he he

0:28:29.720 --> 0:28:33.000
<v Speaker 1>has an opportunity to put all that stuff behind him,

0:28:33.400 --> 0:28:35.760
<v Speaker 1>and and I'll be interested to see if he can,

0:28:35.840 --> 0:28:38.360
<v Speaker 1>if he can seize that opportunity in a place like

0:28:38.400 --> 0:28:40.200
<v Speaker 1>Green Bay. And I'll just throw out one other name

0:28:40.320 --> 0:28:43.280
<v Speaker 1>just because again of the the opportunity at tight end

0:28:43.640 --> 0:28:47.040
<v Speaker 1>in this offense. Cameron McDonald from Florida State is here

0:28:47.160 --> 0:28:51.400
<v Speaker 1>as a as an undrafted rookie and he's he's got

0:28:51.480 --> 0:28:55.440
<v Speaker 1>he's got the physical profile of of you know, a

0:28:55.480 --> 0:28:57.680
<v Speaker 1>move tight end and a guy who can potentially get

0:28:57.680 --> 0:29:00.840
<v Speaker 1>down the field. And and you know this that that's

0:29:00.840 --> 0:29:03.160
<v Speaker 1>the kind of undrafted rookie that I could see playing

0:29:03.280 --> 0:29:06.720
<v Speaker 1>quite a bit in the preseason games in August and

0:29:06.760 --> 0:29:10.480
<v Speaker 1>maybe getting a chance to getting a chance to do

0:29:10.520 --> 0:29:14.360
<v Speaker 1>something with with Sean Clifford or Dannyetling throwing passes in August,

0:29:14.400 --> 0:29:17.080
<v Speaker 1>when when those preseason games get into the second half,

0:29:17.400 --> 0:29:20.840
<v Speaker 1>maybe has a chance to catch somebody's eye. So have

0:29:20.920 --> 0:29:26.160
<v Speaker 1>a couple other thoughts for you. One with Rookie Mini

0:29:26.160 --> 0:29:29.880
<v Speaker 1>Camp this weekend, the players are actually arriving on Thursday,

0:29:30.400 --> 0:29:33.200
<v Speaker 1>as as we're taping the show as many you might

0:29:33.200 --> 0:29:35.880
<v Speaker 1>be watching or listening to it, they're arriving for the

0:29:36.160 --> 0:29:38.320
<v Speaker 1>for the two days of Rookie Mini Camp on Friday

0:29:38.360 --> 0:29:42.240
<v Speaker 1>and Saturday. What are you most interested in in terms

0:29:42.280 --> 0:29:45.040
<v Speaker 1>of this this Rookie Mini Camp? What are you going

0:29:45.120 --> 0:29:46.440
<v Speaker 1>to have your eye on the most?

0:29:46.720 --> 0:29:49.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I wrote this in our Insider Inbox column. For me,

0:29:49.400 --> 0:29:51.960
<v Speaker 2>it's always just seeing the early draft picks in the

0:29:52.040 --> 0:29:53.959
<v Speaker 2>uniform for the first time, just kind of getting those

0:29:54.000 --> 0:29:57.640
<v Speaker 2>first impressions, just kind of tracking them throughout the practice. Also,

0:29:57.840 --> 0:30:01.240
<v Speaker 2>on Friday, we'll be chatting potentially with all thirteen guys

0:30:01.280 --> 0:30:04.840
<v Speaker 2>from that rookie draft class, getting to know their personalities

0:30:04.840 --> 0:30:06.640
<v Speaker 2>a little bit, getting to kind of everyone's on their

0:30:06.640 --> 0:30:09.160
<v Speaker 2>best behavior, obviously, but it is fun sort of being

0:30:09.160 --> 0:30:10.680
<v Speaker 2>able to kind of mix it up a little bit.

0:30:11.440 --> 0:30:13.880
<v Speaker 2>I try not to draw too many conclusions from these

0:30:13.920 --> 0:30:16.120
<v Speaker 2>practices because I will never forget. I think it was

0:30:16.160 --> 0:30:19.840
<v Speaker 2>in twenty thirteen or fourteen Mike McCarthy was asked for

0:30:19.880 --> 0:30:23.760
<v Speaker 2>the MVP of the practice or the weekend, and it

0:30:23.760 --> 0:30:26.400
<v Speaker 2>would ended up being a Kansas City, a Kansas state

0:30:26.520 --> 0:30:29.680
<v Speaker 2>running back who did sign as a UFA but got

0:30:29.800 --> 0:30:33.520
<v Speaker 2>exactly zero dollars and zero census a signing bonus, And

0:30:33.560 --> 0:30:34.960
<v Speaker 2>I think I don't even know if he ended up

0:30:34.960 --> 0:30:37.560
<v Speaker 2>making it to training camp. So I don't know how

0:30:37.640 --> 0:30:40.280
<v Speaker 2>much you can draw from these practices in terms of

0:30:40.320 --> 0:30:42.600
<v Speaker 2>the actual like, hey, is this a good pick or not?

0:30:43.080 --> 0:30:45.880
<v Speaker 2>But I am excited to see Vans in uniform for

0:30:45.920 --> 0:30:49.000
<v Speaker 2>the first time, and honestly just seeing how Jaden Reid

0:30:49.120 --> 0:30:53.520
<v Speaker 2>moves and potentially what these guys offer at their respective

0:30:53.520 --> 0:30:57.760
<v Speaker 2>positions and hearing Rich Pisaci probably yelled at some rookies.

0:30:57.800 --> 0:30:58.600
<v Speaker 3>I remember last year.

0:30:58.600 --> 0:31:00.920
<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh wow, that's that was my biggest

0:31:00.960 --> 0:31:03.240
<v Speaker 2>takeaway last year was oh, rich Masati, this guy's not

0:31:03.320 --> 0:31:03.959
<v Speaker 2>messing around.

0:31:04.280 --> 0:31:07.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, that'll that'll be that'll be fun to see

0:31:07.400 --> 0:31:10.400
<v Speaker 1>that interaction. And sticking with that theme of special teams,

0:31:10.440 --> 0:31:12.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna have my eye on the kicker from Auburn

0:31:12.400 --> 0:31:15.800
<v Speaker 1>Anders Carlson, just because we've heard so much about his

0:31:15.880 --> 0:31:19.560
<v Speaker 1>injuries and that now he has supposedly has the brace

0:31:19.680 --> 0:31:23.280
<v Speaker 1>off of his non kicking leg. And I'm always just

0:31:23.360 --> 0:31:27.320
<v Speaker 1>interested any anytime a new kicker comes along and you know,

0:31:27.400 --> 0:31:29.520
<v Speaker 1>they line up for they line up for some field

0:31:29.560 --> 0:31:31.480
<v Speaker 1>goal attempts. You know they're working on you know, the

0:31:31.520 --> 0:31:34.520
<v Speaker 1>protection and and different things like that, but they kicked

0:31:34.520 --> 0:31:36.720
<v Speaker 1>the ball for real, and it's always just interesting, how

0:31:36.720 --> 0:31:38.520
<v Speaker 1>does the ball come off the guy's foot, what does

0:31:38.560 --> 0:31:41.240
<v Speaker 1>it sound like? What does it look like? And uh,

0:31:41.280 --> 0:31:44.640
<v Speaker 1>because having watched Mason Crosby, having covered his entire career

0:31:44.680 --> 0:31:47.720
<v Speaker 1>since he arrived in two thousand and seven, you know

0:31:47.800 --> 0:31:49.680
<v Speaker 1>what it's supposed to look like and sound like for

0:31:49.720 --> 0:31:52.840
<v Speaker 1>an NFL kicker, and and always that that first impression

0:31:52.880 --> 0:31:55.040
<v Speaker 1>when a new when a new kicker comes in, you

0:31:55.040 --> 0:31:57.280
<v Speaker 1>see him kicking in the Hudson Center. That's always something

0:31:57.280 --> 0:32:00.320
<v Speaker 1>that that I make a mental note of. Last thing

0:32:00.360 --> 0:32:03.239
<v Speaker 1>for you, West, it was a long weekend, as we

0:32:03.280 --> 0:32:07.360
<v Speaker 1>talked about Thursday, Friday, Saturday of the draft. The Packers

0:32:07.400 --> 0:32:12.400
<v Speaker 1>took thirteen players, nine of them on Saturday. My last

0:32:12.400 --> 0:32:14.400
<v Speaker 1>thing for you is we wrap up kind of our

0:32:14.520 --> 0:32:17.200
<v Speaker 1>draft review. Is what was your most And this can

0:32:17.240 --> 0:32:19.320
<v Speaker 1>be anything. I'll let you go wherever you want with this.

0:32:19.440 --> 0:32:23.959
<v Speaker 1>What was your most memorable moment of covering the twenty

0:32:24.120 --> 0:32:26.600
<v Speaker 1>twenty three NFL Draft of the Green Bay Packers.

0:32:26.760 --> 0:32:29.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, definitely. It was probably Patrick Moore walking out after

0:32:29.800 --> 0:32:31.960
<v Speaker 2>they took Colby Wooden, who might be the only great

0:32:32.040 --> 0:32:34.760
<v Speaker 2>draft pick we didn't actually talk about today in the

0:32:34.800 --> 0:32:37.760
<v Speaker 2>fourth round, and he had that nice little that one

0:32:37.800 --> 0:32:39.800
<v Speaker 2>liner that zinger. As he was leaving, He's like, all right,

0:32:40.600 --> 0:32:45.080
<v Speaker 2>thanks guys, I'll see here eight more times more times. Yeah,

0:32:45.120 --> 0:32:47.480
<v Speaker 2>And at that moment I was like I was because

0:32:47.520 --> 0:32:48.880
<v Speaker 2>I was thinking when they drafted wood and I'm like, Oh,

0:32:48.920 --> 0:32:50.280
<v Speaker 2>this won't be so bad. And then I'm like, oh, wait,

0:32:50.320 --> 0:32:52.720
<v Speaker 2>we got eight more of these guys to go through

0:32:53.920 --> 0:32:57.440
<v Speaker 2>and then just the seventh round. I joked with you

0:32:57.480 --> 0:33:01.480
<v Speaker 2>before the draft about how I don't retain my rhythm,

0:33:01.640 --> 0:33:03.960
<v Speaker 2>my plans, my schedule for the draft.

0:33:03.960 --> 0:33:05.440
<v Speaker 3>All this was number fourteen for me.

0:33:05.520 --> 0:33:07.800
<v Speaker 2>Now every one of them feels like the first time

0:33:07.880 --> 0:33:11.360
<v Speaker 2>because it's just survival mode and trying to get content

0:33:11.480 --> 0:33:14.400
<v Speaker 2>up in stories up and names out there and making

0:33:14.400 --> 0:33:17.760
<v Speaker 2>sure that we spelled the names right. Like it's just

0:33:17.800 --> 0:33:22.120
<v Speaker 2>a tornado of activity. So yeah, I enjoyed Patrick Moore's

0:33:22.120 --> 0:33:24.440
<v Speaker 2>line there that gave me a good chuckle. You probably

0:33:24.440 --> 0:33:26.160
<v Speaker 2>heard it on the live stream if people were watching.

0:33:26.760 --> 0:33:29.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I'm with you, I have a different line

0:33:29.920 --> 0:33:32.840
<v Speaker 1>that struck me and it didn't give me a chuckle.

0:33:33.560 --> 0:33:38.720
<v Speaker 1>But in relation to your describing the tornado of activity,

0:33:38.800 --> 0:33:42.080
<v Speaker 1>especially on Saturday, where we're going crazy with trying to

0:33:42.160 --> 0:33:44.960
<v Speaker 1>keep the website updated, getting information up on the picks

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<v Speaker 1>as soon as the Packers make them, and all of that,

0:33:48.080 --> 0:33:51.760
<v Speaker 1>and then we're absolutely exhausted at the end of Saturday,

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<v Speaker 1>and the last person we're going to hear from at

0:33:55.320 --> 0:33:58.960
<v Speaker 1>the podium is general manager Brian Gudukunt, and then he

0:33:59.080 --> 0:34:02.760
<v Speaker 1>makes a comment after the Packers selected thirteen guys and

0:34:02.800 --> 0:34:04.200
<v Speaker 1>we are completely wiped out.

0:34:04.600 --> 0:34:05.200
<v Speaker 3>He makes a.

0:34:05.160 --> 0:34:07.719
<v Speaker 1>Comment that it already looks like the Packers will have

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<v Speaker 1>eleven draft picks next year in twenty twenty four. Like

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<v Speaker 1>that was like I just paused. I sort of stared

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<v Speaker 1>at the ceiling for a second, like are you kidding me?

0:34:16.600 --> 0:34:19.520
<v Speaker 1>But he's obviously talking about there's the extra pick from

0:34:19.560 --> 0:34:21.800
<v Speaker 1>the New York Jets, the Aaron Rodgers trade, that'll be

0:34:21.800 --> 0:34:23.680
<v Speaker 1>either a second or a first rounder. And then he's

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<v Speaker 1>already calculating the Packers potentially getting three compensatory draft picks

0:34:28.440 --> 0:34:30.640
<v Speaker 1>based on the free agenc they lost led by Alan

0:34:30.719 --> 0:34:33.680
<v Speaker 1>Lazard and that contract that he got from the New

0:34:33.800 --> 0:34:36.480
<v Speaker 1>York Jets. So if you add the extra pick from Rogers,

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<v Speaker 1>and if the Packers do get three compensatories, yeah, you're

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<v Speaker 1>already at eleven picks for the twenty twenty four draft

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<v Speaker 1>before anything else happens here. And that sort of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I had to pause and sigh and go like, okay,

0:34:49.320 --> 0:34:52.279
<v Speaker 1>but we can worry about that twelve months from now.

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<v Speaker 1>But hats off to you, my friend. It was It

0:34:55.120 --> 0:34:57.480
<v Speaker 1>was a great It was a great weekend to coverage.

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<v Speaker 1>We were knocking it out on the website doing the

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<v Speaker 1>best we could for the fans, and yeah, it wiped

0:35:02.880 --> 0:35:04.000
<v Speaker 1>us out, but it was a heck of a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of fun too.

0:35:04.880 --> 0:35:07.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah it was, And we just got to be thankful

0:35:07.239 --> 0:35:10.759
<v Speaker 2>that the undrafted the unrestricted free agency windows finally ended,

0:35:10.800 --> 0:35:13.120
<v Speaker 2>so the compensatory formula is pretty much set.

0:35:13.280 --> 0:35:15.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, over the cap does have.

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<v Speaker 2>Robert Tunyan right on the fringe of a seventh rounder though, too,

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<v Speaker 2>so that'll be the one we'll have to keep an

0:35:20.440 --> 0:35:21.239
<v Speaker 2>eye on next year.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, all being said, it was a good weekend.

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<v Speaker 2>We I think you and I we we navigated it

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<v Speaker 2>pretty well considering it was the most picks the packers

0:35:28.880 --> 0:35:31.680
<v Speaker 2>have made in twenty three years and now we get

0:35:31.680 --> 0:35:33.080
<v Speaker 2>a chance to see what they're gonna look like in

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<v Speaker 2>a packer's uniform.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, in a shout out to all the fans out

0:35:36.239 --> 0:35:38.759
<v Speaker 1>there too, we had a tremendous weekend in terms of

0:35:38.800 --> 0:35:42.520
<v Speaker 1>traffic on our website, the stories, the photo galleries, the videos,

0:35:43.120 --> 0:35:48.400
<v Speaker 1>everything like that. We appreciate y'all following us and keeping

0:35:48.440 --> 0:35:50.640
<v Speaker 1>up with everything and enjoying the content that we're doing.

0:35:50.640 --> 0:35:53.279
<v Speaker 1>When we get to see those numbers, it helps us

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<v Speaker 1>feel pretty good about all the work that we're putting

0:35:55.360 --> 0:35:57.080
<v Speaker 1>in because we're not just putting it out there in

0:35:57.160 --> 0:36:00.440
<v Speaker 1>the ether for you know, for nobody. There people who

0:36:00.480 --> 0:36:04.720
<v Speaker 1>are actually consuming the content, and we definitely appreciate the fans'

0:36:04.760 --> 0:36:07.279
<v Speaker 1>dedication to a long weekend as well.

0:36:07.480 --> 0:36:09.200
<v Speaker 2>Imagine how that would have felt like if we would

0:36:09.200 --> 0:36:11.000
<v Speaker 2>have gotten the report on Monday and it's like, oh, yeah,

0:36:11.000 --> 0:36:12.919
<v Speaker 2>one hundred and forty eight people read the van Atte

0:36:12.960 --> 0:36:16.760
<v Speaker 2>story and then thankfully we cover the Green Bay Packers.

0:36:16.800 --> 0:36:19.080
<v Speaker 3>People naturally care about stuff, so we appreciate that.

0:36:19.400 --> 0:36:22.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and we definitely appreciate all of all of the

0:36:22.719 --> 0:36:26.239
<v Speaker 1>attention that they pay to our content and to our website.

0:36:26.280 --> 0:36:28.560
<v Speaker 1>So with that, we will call it a wrap on

0:36:28.600 --> 0:36:31.799
<v Speaker 1>this edition of Packers Unscripted. We'll be back next week

0:36:31.840 --> 0:36:34.440
<v Speaker 1>to talk about Rookie Mini Camp some of the impressions

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<v Speaker 1>without drawing too many conclusions, as Wes warned us earlier

0:36:38.880 --> 0:36:40.799
<v Speaker 1>in the show, But we'll be back next week with that.

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<v Speaker 1>So for Wes, I am Mike, thank you for tuning

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<v Speaker 1>in everybody, and we will see you next time.