1 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:10,959 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 2 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford. He is my 3 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:17,240 Speaker 1: trusted colleague, Weston Hodkowitz. We're coming to you here from 4 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: disparate locations at lambeau Field and west There's more of 5 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 1: the draft class, the thirteen player twenty twenty three draft 6 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 1: class to review, and we will get to that in 7 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: a moment. But before that, there was a pretty significant 8 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:38,559 Speaker 1: bit of news just the other day. The Packers have 9 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: extended Jordan Love's contract. Now, he was in a situation 10 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:46,240 Speaker 1: where he was in the final year of his rookie deal, 11 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:50,240 Speaker 1: but there was a deadline to exercise or not exercise 12 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:53,160 Speaker 1: the fifty year option, which is part of a first 13 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:57,279 Speaker 1: round draft picks contract. And a lot of times the 14 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 1: business of football is something that can be acrimonious, it 15 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:04,319 Speaker 1: can be kind of ugly at times. In this case, 16 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 1: the business of football generated something that really makes a 17 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:11,320 Speaker 1: heck of a lot of sense for both sides as 18 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:15,199 Speaker 1: the Packers make this transition to Jordan Love and see 19 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 1: what the future holds. 20 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 2: Do you know why I'm sitting here in this spot 21 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:21,680 Speaker 2: and not up on three right now? Like Russ Ball 22 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:25,399 Speaker 2: that contract that the Packers did with Jordan Love. Because 23 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 2: I'll be honest with you, Mike, until we actually saw 24 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 2: the report, until we saw the release come across her desk, 25 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 2: I hadn't even considered the possibility of the Packers end 26 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 2: up just coming to terms with him on a two 27 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 2: year deal as opposed to picking up the fifty year option, because, 28 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 2: as you said, it works out well for both parties. 29 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,960 Speaker 2: Some people might say, well, for Jordan Love, why do this. 30 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 2: You're gonna get twenty million guaranteed if they pick it up. 31 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 2: But the thing is you're gonna get that money next year. 32 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 2: By doing it now, he gets the signing bonus, He's 33 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 2: able to get a little bit more cash pushed into 34 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 2: this season that benefits him rather than playing on the 35 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 2: fourth year of his rookie contract. In addition, it also 36 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 2: avoids the awkwardness of the Packers saying, hey, we're not 37 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 2: going to exercise you're our guy, but we're not going 38 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 2: to exercise a fifty year option. Because, as I was 39 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 2: told yesterday by Packers' Hall of Fame curator Brent Henzel 40 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 2: when I was working out down in the staff fitness area, 41 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 2: I think there was only something like eleven or twelve 42 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 2: of the thirty two teams actually exercise the fifty year 43 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:26,839 Speaker 2: option on their first round picks from twenty twenty. 44 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 1: Right, only twelve had the fifth year option exercise as 45 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:30,639 Speaker 1: it turned out. 46 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 2: And it's just incredible when you look at there's different 47 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:37,119 Speaker 2: scales to what those contracts could be, and Mike, they're 48 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 2: getting pretty pricey. 49 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:40,239 Speaker 3: To be able to exercise that option. 50 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:43,359 Speaker 2: So for the Packers' perspective, not only does it allow 51 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 2: you now to have Jordan under control team control for 52 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 2: two seasons. If Jordan plays really well this year, it 53 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:52,919 Speaker 2: allows them to work an extension to use next season 54 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 2: as a way to leverage that signing bonus with the proration. 55 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 2: And from Jordan's perspective, for a young man that got 56 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 2: a big signing bonus three years ago as a first 57 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 2: round pick, it allows him to get a little bit 58 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:05,239 Speaker 2: more of a boost now as he enters your four. 59 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, And from a cap perspective, the Packers are taking 60 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 1: on a little bit more money on Jordan Love's contract 61 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 1: on this year's cap, and they restructured Darnell Savage to 62 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 1: kind of make room for that and to spread some 63 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 1: things out. But then it also takes off the table, 64 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: at least for now for twenty twenty four, having that 65 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: entire fifth year option be that you know, single one 66 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 1: year like you know, big cap hits. So it's about 67 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: for the Packers, it's also about managing managing the cap 68 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four, and then the contract is structured 69 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: as such where quite frankly, Jordan Love can end up 70 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 1: making more money than he would have on the fifth 71 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 1: year option if he plays well and you know, and 72 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: gets the playing time and hits various incentives and whatnot. 73 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 1: So there were incentives built in for Jordan Love to 74 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: sign this because over twenty twenty three and twenty twenty 75 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: four he has a chance to actually make more money 76 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 1: than he would have just playing out his contract and 77 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 1: then getting the option picked up. So like like, like 78 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: I said, it's something that just makes a heck of 79 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 1: a lot of sense for both sides. A very unique 80 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 1: situation obviously where the Packers had to make this decision 81 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:16,280 Speaker 1: on the fifth year option on the new quarterback when 82 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 1: he hasn't been you know, QB one, He hasn't been 83 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:22,280 Speaker 1: the starting quarterback in Green Bay yet to where you 84 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 1: you really have that full evaluation. So something that makes 85 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: sense for both sides and also just kind of puts 86 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:31,280 Speaker 1: things at ease a little bit in terms of, Okay, 87 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 1: Jordan Loves under contract for two more years. This is 88 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:37,599 Speaker 1: how it's structured, and if he plays well, I'm sure 89 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 1: they will start talking about an extension before this particular 90 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 1: extension runs out at the end of twenty twenty four. 91 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: And if things don't go well, which obviously nobody wants, 92 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 1: but if things don't go well, the Packers have mitigated 93 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: their financial risk a little bit and set things up, 94 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:55,840 Speaker 1: then you know, to move forward in another direction. 95 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, while paying him to be the starting quarterback because 96 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 2: there's no this season, there's no questions, there's no equivocation. 97 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 2: Jordan Love is the guy, and he gets paid like 98 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 2: that now rather than being a young man playing on 99 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 2: a fifth year contract. The other thing I just want 100 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 2: to touch on quickly that I think was really smart 101 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 2: from Green Bay's perspective is, with all due respect to 102 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,279 Speaker 2: Daniel Jones, he had a nice season last year, but 103 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 2: you look at what happened with that purgatory that him 104 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 2: and the Giants fell into where they declined his fifty 105 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 2: year option. He actually makes some improvements, but probably doesn't 106 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 2: reach like quite a Pro Bowl type level this year 107 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 2: with Brian Dobbel. Well, then they had to end up 108 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 2: paying him four years, one hundred and sixty million dollars, 109 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 2: and now you're hoping that he can carry that over 110 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 2: for the Packers. Now again, it gives him two years 111 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:42,599 Speaker 2: to learn a lot about Jordan Love here and determine 112 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 2: if this is going to be the guy for the future. 113 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, Daniel Jones, hats off to him. I mean, 114 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: he he ended up not getting the option picked up. 115 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:52,239 Speaker 1: He played well enough to get the Giants to the playoffs, 116 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: they won a road game in the playoffs at Minnesota, 117 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:58,679 Speaker 1: and he ended up getting paid big time quarterback dollars, 118 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 1: you know, really off of that that one playoff victory, 119 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 1: which was a tremendous performance by him. Kind of you know, 120 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:07,359 Speaker 1: you go back to you know, when Joe Flacco was 121 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 1: playing out his contract and ended up winning the Super Bowl. 122 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 1: Cashed in big time off of that Super Bowl win, 123 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 1: and you know, that was a tough spot for the 124 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: Ravens to be and so the Packers trying to avoid that, 125 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:21,159 Speaker 1: trying to be fair to the player, and it makes 126 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 1: sense for Jordan Love as we talked about in terms 127 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:26,839 Speaker 1: of the financial incentives for him and to get to 128 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:31,159 Speaker 1: get more money in his pocket. Now, So with regard 129 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:34,480 Speaker 1: to the draft class, I know we kind of rehashed 130 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 1: a lot of it on our last show. I want 131 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 1: to throw some different questions at you, and this show 132 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:42,280 Speaker 1: truly is unscripted. Wes doesn't know what I'm going to 133 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 1: ask him, but the advantage that he gets is he 134 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 1: gets to answer the questions before I get to answer, 135 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 1: and I don't get to repeat his answers. So thirteen 136 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: player draft class obviously lots of guys that we talked 137 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: about and their potential heading into twenty twenty three and 138 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 1: the few cure. My first question for you, Wes, is 139 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 1: which of the offensive draft picks do you believe will 140 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:10,239 Speaker 1: make the biggest impact on this team as a rookie. 141 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:13,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the clear answer here, I think is Jaden Reid. 142 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 2: I'm going to be stealing the top pick right off 143 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 2: of the board there, and for two big reasons. One, 144 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 2: before Jaden got to Michigan State, he was actually at 145 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 2: Western Michigan playing for Tim Lester, who's now on the Packers' 146 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 2: staff as a senior analyst. Right, if you remember going 147 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 2: back fifteen sixteen, seventeen years ago, Mike, the Green Bay 148 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 2: Packers drafted a young man in the second round out 149 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 2: of Western Michigan and Greg Jennings. Greg was an absolute 150 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 2: natural talent in this league, So I don't want to 151 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 2: draw comparisons between Reed and Jennings. The one thing, though, 152 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 2: that I think is indisputable is the fact that I 153 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 2: think Jaden is going to get a similar opportunity that 154 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 2: Greg got in two thousand and six when he came 155 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 2: in here to play right now off the bat and 156 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 2: show what his skill set is the Green Bay Packers, Mike, 157 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 2: if you look at how these free agent why don'ts 158 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 2: look right now now with Randall Cobbs signing with the 159 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 2: New York Jets, there isn't a lot out there, to 160 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 2: be honest with you, and I think it really would 161 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 2: behoove the Packers at this point, at least through the 162 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 2: offseason program scene, if maybe somebody gets comes unattached later 163 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 2: this summer, to just let these young guys play it out, 164 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 2: Let them get these reps with Jordan Love, let them 165 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 2: get comfortable in this offense and see who shines. And 166 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 2: I feel like Jayden Reid with his skill set, being 167 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 2: able to do the Jets sweep stuff, being able to 168 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 2: gain separation across the middle, being able to make contested catches. 169 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 2: This young man, with how physical he plays the game, 170 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 2: don't look just at the height and the weight with him, 171 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 2: look at the overall football player. I think there is 172 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 2: a golden opportunity for this kid as a second round 173 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 2: pick to make a contribution his rookie year. 174 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:55,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I totally agree with you in that regard. 175 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:58,599 Speaker 1: My selection in this category is, and I'm going to 176 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 1: hedge a little bit here, I'm gonna say it's going 177 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 1: to be one of the two tight ends. It's either 178 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 1: going to be Luke Musgrave or Tucker Craft. And I'm 179 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 1: I'm just I'm not sure which one because both of 180 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 1: these both of these young men have have an obstacle 181 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 1: for lack of a better word, to overcome to make 182 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:20,199 Speaker 1: an impact as a rookie, but very different obstacles. From 183 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 1: Musgrave's point of view, it's the fact that he only 184 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: played two games his final year in college before getting injured. 185 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 1: It's been a long time since he's really been in 186 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 1: you know, full speed preparation playing football mode, so we 187 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:35,959 Speaker 1: don't really know how that's going to go with Tucker Craft. 188 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:40,319 Speaker 1: It's making that jump from the FCS all the way 189 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:43,679 Speaker 1: to the NFL. Having played at a smaller school, now 190 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: played in a lot of big games, won a national 191 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 1: championship at South Dakota State and all that. But there 192 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 1: is a big jump in the competition from FCS to 193 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 1: the NFL, even more so than say most FBS programs. 194 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 1: So so they each have that to overcome. But the 195 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:02,199 Speaker 1: reason I'm pointing to the type ends is just because 196 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: of the opportunity that I think will be there when 197 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 1: Josiah Deguara and Tyler Davis are the tight ends who 198 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 1: are coming back. Neither one of them established themselves as 199 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:16,679 Speaker 1: a featured tight end in this offense during their time here, 200 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 1: yet now that potentially could still happen. They have the 201 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 1: experience they played in the NFL, they know this offense, 202 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 1: and the Packers are going to be looking to them 203 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 1: to be leaders. So I don't want to discount them entirely, 204 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:32,839 Speaker 1: but the opportunity at tight end is tremendous for these 205 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 1: two young guys in Musgrave and Craft to come in. 206 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 1: So that's where I lean in terms of the offensive 207 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: impact as a rookie Yeah. 208 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 2: And the interesting thing about both Musgrave and Kraft is 209 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 2: that they're probably going to get a chance to play 210 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:48,319 Speaker 2: right away. When you look at the tight end position, 211 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 2: especially in Green Bay, that hasn't always been a given. 212 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 2: Richard Rodgers when they drafted him in twenty fourteen, Andrew Corlis, 213 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 2: you know, was the starter at that point. When they 214 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:00,960 Speaker 2: drafted Jermichael Finley in twenty oh nine, it was Donald 215 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 2: Lee who had been kind of entrench there for a 216 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 2: few seasons. There's always been this transition point, and right now, 217 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 2: depending on what happens with Mercedes Lewis if he doesn't return, 218 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 2: the Greeman Packers are very easily going to be rolling 219 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 2: with these two guys as inline options right from day one. 220 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 3: There'll be lumps that go along. 221 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 2: With that, but if you look at the overall skill 222 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 2: sets there, these guys are in that six foot five, 223 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty to two hundred and sixty pound range, 224 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 2: there's no confusion there. These are legitimate, big bodied, full 225 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 2: tight ends that can also run pretty well. Especially in 226 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 2: Musgrave's case, I mean, he's going to be a guy 227 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:40,079 Speaker 2: that's going to stretch defenses vertically. Very exciting to see 228 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 2: where those guys are going to take this thing because again, 229 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:44,679 Speaker 2: much like with Red, they are going to have an 230 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 2: opportunity off the bat right out. 231 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 3: Of Jump Street to contribute out of the gate. 232 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, and to go back to your selection too. What 233 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 1: I'm most excited about with Reed, and we talked about 234 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 1: it on our last show, is just seeing a very 235 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 1: different physical profile, a different a different body type, a 236 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:06,839 Speaker 1: different skill set being incorporated into this offense as the 237 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 1: you know, quote unquote slot receiver or jet sweep option 238 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 1: type of guy, that type of physical profile. We haven't 239 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 1: seen it yet in this role in Matt Lafer's offense. 240 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 1: So I think I think there's potentially a lot of 241 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 1: excitement and interest there. Same question for you on the 242 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:25,839 Speaker 1: defensive side of the ball, except you're not allowed to 243 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: pick Kyle van Ness because, as we talked about on 244 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 1: our last show, he very well could be starting Week one, 245 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 1: first snap of the season on the opposite side from 246 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 1: Preston Smith if for Sean Gary is not all the 247 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: way back from from his knee injury yet, so Lucas 248 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 1: van Ness would be too obvious a pick in terms 249 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 1: of defensive impact from a rookie. So aside from him, 250 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 1: is there somebody that that you think the fans should 251 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 1: have their eye on. 252 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 2: I love the Carl Brooks pick Mike, even from the 253 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 2: moment that I started working on his bulletin. When you 254 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:01,439 Speaker 2: and I are sitting in the media auditorium on last Saturday, 255 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:06,079 Speaker 2: this guy is Mike. Mike Daniels junior to me. I mean, 256 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 2: and I think, for whatever reason, the NFL still hasn't 257 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 2: caught on to six foot two, six foot three, three 258 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 2: hundred pound three technique defensive tackles. I've been covering this 259 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:17,320 Speaker 2: league for ten years, and it still seems like that 260 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 2: position just doesn't get enough respect. We've seen, as I 261 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 2: mentioned Daniels, We've seen Aaron Donald, the Gino Adkins. I mean, 262 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:27,960 Speaker 2: the number of these guys that have been not just 263 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:33,079 Speaker 2: rotational third down rushers, but three down players has skyrocketed. 264 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:36,560 Speaker 2: Now Brooks is gonna make a big transition. Bowling Green 265 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 2: played him off the edge quite a bit. He's gonna 266 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 2: have to show he can play inside. But based on 267 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 2: the Senior Bowl, the Packers saw a lot of attributes 268 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 2: they like, and Michael, I don't care who you're playing 269 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 2: when you can consistently perform at the level that Brooks 270 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 2: did from true freshman year to his senior year at 271 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 2: Bowling Green, this young man put up incredible numbers his pressures. 272 00:13:58,720 --> 00:13:59,200 Speaker 3: Last year. 273 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 2: I think Pro Football Focus had him down with sixty 274 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 2: two pressures, the third most in FBS. As Lance Zerline 275 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 2: said when you and I did one of our recap shows, 276 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 2: don't just look at the mac and discount what this 277 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 2: kid did. This kid was a ball player from day 278 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 2: one at that school. So just very excited to see 279 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 2: what he could potentially add because I feel like since 280 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 2: the Kingsley Kiky thing didn't really work out, since they 281 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 2: lost Daniels, they haven't had that type of guy that 282 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 2: can come in and take some of that interior rush away, 283 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 2: some of those responsibilities away from from Kenny Clark. This 284 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 2: could be the dude if he shows that he can 285 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 2: have the type of skill set that translates to the 286 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 2: pro game. Yeah, and I'm going to go a little 287 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 2: bit different direction on this one. I'm actually going to 288 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 2: go with Carrington Valentine, the cornerback out of Kentucky, and 289 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 2: the reason I pick him a couple of different reasons. 290 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 2: With you look at the Packers' secondary right now. At cornerback, 291 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 2: the Packers really like what they have. Obviously, you have 292 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 2: veterans like Jay Or Alexander and Rasul Douglas. You're going 293 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 2: to give Keshawn Nixon every opera ortunity to be that 294 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 2: nickel corner. You have Eric Stokes coming back from the injury. 295 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 2: But I'll say this with regard to Valentine's you know, 296 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 2: potential impact and opportunity, we don't necessarily know how things 297 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 2: are gonna go with Keishawn Nixon at the nickel. He's 298 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 2: not been a full time defensive player in a role 299 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 2: like that yet in the NFL. The Packers have a 300 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 2: ton of confidence in him. Everybody wants it to go well, 301 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 2: but you just never know. You also don't know with 302 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 2: regard to stokes injury, pretty serious injury that he had 303 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 2: last year's same game as Gary, the game in Detroit, 304 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 2: and all signs, at least from what we've heard so far, 305 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 2: things looking pretty good. But again, you just don't know 306 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 2: when Eric Stokes will be back and at one hundred percent. 307 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 2: And on top of that, even if you take out 308 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 2: all those caveats and those are your top four cornerbacks, 309 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 2: the Packers are gonna play plenty of dime defense. You know, 310 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 2: with four cornerbacks on the field. If any one of 311 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 2: those four, you know, tweaks a hamstring, tweaks an ankle, whatever, 312 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 2: Carrington Valentine might be the next guy. I'm not saying 313 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 2: he will be. He might be the next guy up 314 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 2: who's going to be playing snaps in the dime. It's 315 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 2: entirely possible. Obviously, the Packers also sometimes use a third 316 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 2: safety in the dime instead of another corner. There will 317 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 2: be other options there. But if he balls out in 318 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 2: training camp and puts himself in that spot on the 319 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 2: depth chart, then suddenly he's one snap away from being 320 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 2: a key guy in the dime. So a lot of 321 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 2: you know, if sands and butts in that type of answer, 322 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 2: But I do think he's a young man to keep 323 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 2: an eye on and then also a potential special teams 324 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 2: impact player as well, just based on his position and 325 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 2: his profile coming out of college. Yeah, I honestly don't 326 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 2: think there's any way you can go wrong with Valentine 327 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 2: this year. If it ends up working out that he 328 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 2: plays out of the gate, as you kind of outlined, 329 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 2: that's a win. I mean, the young man getting those 330 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 2: type of reps early on could be really beneficial for 331 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 2: his long term prospects given what you know guys like 332 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 2: Mel Kuiper have said about him. I also think with 333 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 2: him being as young as he is, the fact that 334 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 2: he was a junior entrant into this year's draft, if 335 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 2: he sits the entire season, that also could be really 336 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 2: helpful for him down the line. He is, by the 337 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:07,120 Speaker 2: definition of his own word, a pressman corner, a guy 338 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 2: that likes to play physical, guy that likes the challenge 339 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 2: of lining up against somebody and trying to shut them 340 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:12,640 Speaker 2: down on an island outside. 341 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:14,160 Speaker 3: That's the one. 342 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:16,239 Speaker 2: Area where I felt like Green Bay was kind of 343 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:20,439 Speaker 2: needing some bodies this offseason because with the situation with 344 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:22,680 Speaker 2: Stokes not knowing what that was, with the fact that 345 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 2: Rasul Douglas is out there for now but is really 346 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:27,919 Speaker 2: maybe their most versatile option in terms of needing to 347 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:31,119 Speaker 2: plug in place somewhere else based on injuries, they haven't 348 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:33,880 Speaker 2: necessarily had the guy that can be the next perimeter 349 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:37,159 Speaker 2: man up. I just think that Valentine that's going to 350 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:40,120 Speaker 2: be an awesome opportunity for him coming in And also, 351 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:42,879 Speaker 2: seeing as you said, Mike, who emerges in the nickel, 352 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:45,440 Speaker 2: who emerges in the dime, What happens if you move 353 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 2: guys around at safety, if somebody moves down into the 354 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 2: box at times, then who's filling in in the back end. 355 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 2: It's not just going to be Valentine competing with his 356 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 2: position group in those corners. It's going to be competing 357 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 2: with Inness Gains. It's going to be competing, you know, 358 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:00,439 Speaker 2: with some of those returning start you know, trends from 359 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 2: last year, like Rudy Ford and Dallan Lovett. So many 360 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 2: different ways this thing can go. But for Green Bay, 361 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:08,640 Speaker 2: a team that is kind of in a transition right 362 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:11,399 Speaker 2: now with Adrian Amos not being re signed at the moment, 363 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 2: that could very well mean one of these young guys 364 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 2: that we don't necessarily are going to be talking a 365 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 2: lot about this summer could end up being an entrenched 366 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 2: player on this defense come September. Yeah. 367 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:25,160 Speaker 1: Absolutely, I've got a couple more questions for you, Wes, 368 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:27,120 Speaker 1: but I want to get to some sponsor business. Here 369 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 1: for a serious XM. NFL Radio delivers hard hitting analysis 370 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:33,680 Speaker 1: and up to the minute NFL news that true football 371 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 1: fanatics need twenty four to seven, three sixty five and 372 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:39,639 Speaker 1: at Cousin subs, we have something for everyone like our 373 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 1: Wisconsin Cheese, Kurtz mac and Cheese, golden fries, and creamy shakes, 374 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:45,399 Speaker 1: all paired with your favorite sub or sub and a 375 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 1: bowl cousin subs fifty years of better. All right, my 376 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 1: next question for you. The Packers drafted four players in 377 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 1: the seventh round of this draft, and over the last 378 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 1: twenty five years here in Green Bay, we have seen 379 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 1: seventh rounders like Donald Driver, Mark Touscher, Scott Wells, Sam Barrington, 380 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 1: Brad Jones. Guys who have you know taken that seventh 381 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 1: round selection and created a career careers of different degrees 382 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: for themselves. So my question to you is, with regard 383 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:22,400 Speaker 1: to the four seventh round picks, don't sleep on. 384 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 3: Who Anthony Johnson Jr. 385 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 2: I was surprised he was still there as I was 386 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 2: talking to you about Mike. Our general knowledge of prospects dwindles. Right, 387 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:35,119 Speaker 2: we are not going to know the Carrington Valentines as 388 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:37,920 Speaker 2: well Valentine's as well as the scouts will come those 389 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:41,399 Speaker 2: final you know, fifty picks, right, But Anthony Johnson Junior 390 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 2: was actually one I did notice in the pre draft 391 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:45,159 Speaker 2: process as you're kind of looking at who can be 392 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 2: safety options. Certainly Brian Branch was there earlier the Penn 393 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:51,879 Speaker 2: State kid, but Johnson once he was on the board 394 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 2: still in the seventh round. I thought this guy made 395 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:56,639 Speaker 2: a lot of sense for green Bay because he checks 396 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 2: one of the major boxes for green Bay in that 397 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:01,440 Speaker 2: there is a lot of value, there's a lot of 398 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 2: you know, potential with a guy that's making a transition 399 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:07,400 Speaker 2: from cornerback to safety, it's basically playing a new position. 400 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 2: Thought it was very mature of him to go back 401 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:14,120 Speaker 2: to Iowa State this past year working with Matt Campbell, 402 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 2: understanding that hey, if I want to be a pro 403 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:18,640 Speaker 2: and my position is going to be safety, I need 404 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 2: to learn that position at the college level as opposed 405 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 2: to being an undrafted for AID and trying to make 406 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 2: a transition in a tr NFL training camp. He put 407 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:28,879 Speaker 2: in those hours. I think the upside is there. But 408 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 2: the fact of the matter is the kid played sixty 409 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 2: two college games. Mike, he had fifty four starts at 410 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 2: Iowa State. Hearing him talk on the on the radio 411 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 2: on the conference call again, I kept hearing Micah Hyde 412 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 2: in my ear He is mature, he is posed, and 413 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:49,159 Speaker 2: he is really confident in what he can do on 414 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 2: the field, not in an arrogant way just to nay, hey, 415 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:54,160 Speaker 2: I just need an opportunity and I'll show you kind 416 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 2: of way of doing things. And the fact that he 417 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:58,679 Speaker 2: ended up being a second team All Big Twelve safety 418 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,920 Speaker 2: last year he finally got his first two college interceptions. 419 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 2: I think their packers are only scratching the surface with 420 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:08,399 Speaker 2: this kid, and even better, in his perspective, it's a 421 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 2: position a need for Green Bay. We don't know who's 422 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:12,640 Speaker 2: going to be lining up next to Darnell Savage. Yet 423 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:14,360 Speaker 2: now you have a young guy that you can put 424 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:15,639 Speaker 2: into the system and see what you have. 425 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I really like that. I like that pick as 426 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 1: well in terms of, you know, not sleeping on a 427 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 1: seventh round pick. I'll just also throw out there, Grant 428 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:27,360 Speaker 1: Dubo's the wide receiver from Charlotte, and you know, I'm 429 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 1: not saying, you know, it's like, obviously everybody knows Donald 430 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 1: Driver's seventh round story and he's the you know, leading 431 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,680 Speaker 1: receiver in franchise history. I'm not going to go there 432 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,959 Speaker 1: with with Grant Duba's by any means, but his story 433 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:41,479 Speaker 1: is very interesting in terms of, you know, playing at 434 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 1: a school that then essentially canceled its football program. During COVID, 435 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:48,360 Speaker 1: he's not even really sure, you know, where to go. 436 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 1: He ends up at a program like Charlotte, and you know, 437 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 1: having taken a chunk of time off from football, and 438 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 1: he plays really really well and plays himself onto draft 439 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 1: boards and and and get some notice. He's a he's 440 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 1: a he's a wide receiver. You know. You throw around 441 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 1: the term raw prospect, you know, and that gets tossed 442 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 1: around a lot, but he really is kind of the 443 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 1: definition of that. Like nobody knows just how good he 444 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:17,120 Speaker 1: might be because quite frankly, he hasn't played a lot 445 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: of high level football yet. But what he what he 446 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 1: has done, and when he has played, he's produced. So 447 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 1: there are a lot there's there's a lot of potential, 448 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:29,479 Speaker 1: there's a lot of upside. There a lot of unknown 449 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 1: as to as to just how good he can be. 450 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 1: And he's coming into he's coming into a receiver room 451 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 1: that is awfully young as well, as we've talked about 452 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:42,160 Speaker 1: on our previous shows, that a lot of these young 453 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:44,159 Speaker 1: guys are going to be taking their lumps and learning 454 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: things together and all that, and you just never know 455 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 1: if maybe a seventh round pick, you know, who is 456 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 1: actually the last of the Packers thirteen selections, you know, 457 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:54,479 Speaker 1: ends up being a guy who starts to uh, who 458 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,919 Speaker 1: starts to rise up when when the pads go on 459 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,679 Speaker 1: in training camp and with those preseason games. We'll just 460 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 1: have to so very intriguing prospect for a guy that 461 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:07,439 Speaker 1: the Packers selected thirteenth out of their thirteen picks. 462 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,959 Speaker 2: There so so many things like to about to Bo's too. 463 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 2: If I can just add this in, Mike, in addition 464 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:14,640 Speaker 2: to the fact that I don't know if you've got 465 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 2: a chance to see his video of him getting selected, 466 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,159 Speaker 2: it's probably up there with Tucker Craft as far as 467 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 2: the most emotional and also probably the most entertaining. I 468 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,199 Speaker 2: mean that young man could not get his family to 469 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 2: be quiet to talk on the phone. 470 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 3: He must have. 471 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 2: Had forty five people in his house and everybody was 472 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 2: just going absolutely crazy. And if you look at his story, 473 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 2: the fact that he got one scholarship offer coming out 474 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 2: out of Montgomery, he ends up, as you said, the 475 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:47,920 Speaker 2: program suspended. He had a kid he knew from Montgomery 476 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 2: that he kind of got in a circle with practicing, 477 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 2: and he's the one that encouraged him to go try 478 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:56,679 Speaker 2: out at Charlotte. The kid his first target at the school. 479 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 2: His junior season is a fifty six yard touchdown against 480 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 2: Duke and for to have one hundred and twenty six 481 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 2: catches in two seasons to put himself on. 482 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 3: The radar the way he has. 483 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 2: These are the type of stories you root for as 484 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 2: fans but also from scouts that you really salivate about 485 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,640 Speaker 2: because you don't even know what this kid could could 486 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 2: potentially do. And when you're taking flyers on guys in 487 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 2: the seventeenth you know, the seventh round, thirteenth pick, you 488 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 2: want to find attributes, You want to find things that 489 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 2: jump off the film, and Dubo's definitely checks all of 490 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 2: those boxes. 491 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's funny just to go back to one 492 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 1: of your other selections when you talk about, you know, 493 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 1: stories and maybe guys you want to dig into a 494 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 1: little bit more and just find out their story. Carl 495 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 1: Brooks from Bowling Green is that guy for me, just 496 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 1: because Bowling Green is he is the only the third 497 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,880 Speaker 1: draft pick from that school in the last fifteen years. 498 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 1: All three of those draft picks in a fifteen year 499 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:54,880 Speaker 1: span have all been sixth rounders. So a football factory 500 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,400 Speaker 1: Bowling Green is not right. And this is a young 501 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,680 Speaker 1: man who had would have had every op opportunity to 502 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:05,639 Speaker 1: go somewhere, you know, a higher profile school, to raise 503 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 1: his own personal profile, potentially getting out of a program 504 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 1: that that was really struggling, and yet he ends up 505 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 1: staying there five years, you know, starting forty plus close 506 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 1: to fifty games or or whatever. And you know, to 507 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 1: me his story, it's like, why did you stay? Like 508 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:23,959 Speaker 1: why did you stay at Bowling Green? How you know, 509 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 1: how attractive might it have been to go somewhere else? 510 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 1: Do you think you were taking a risk with your 511 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,440 Speaker 1: own future by staying there as opposed to trying to 512 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 1: raise your profile like that kind of thing. So his 513 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 1: his story to me is very interesting as well, and. 514 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:38,719 Speaker 2: It was so funny how humble he was about it too, 515 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 2: because he just says, off the cuff, oh, yeah, you know, 516 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 2: after my junior year, I could have transferred somewhere else. 517 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,240 Speaker 2: There were some opportunities. He doesn't mention that Bowling Green 518 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 2: was zero to five. 519 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:47,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, they didn't. 520 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 1: They didn't even win a game during their shortened COVID season. 521 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 1: They would win a single game, and he and he 522 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 1: was injured for a good portion of that of the 523 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 1: COVID season. In twenty twenty as well. So it was 524 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,399 Speaker 1: an interesting story there real quickly. And I'm going to 525 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,479 Speaker 1: put you on the spot here before we get to 526 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,439 Speaker 1: some of our closing thoughts. But Packers signed about a 527 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:12,920 Speaker 1: dozen undrafted free agents that will be part of the 528 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 1: rookie mini camp and and the offseason roster here moving 529 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 1: forward into training camp. Anybody on that list of the 530 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 1: of the undrafted free agents that kind of that kind 531 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 1: of caught your eye and that that you know, you 532 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 1: want to want to get them on the fans radar 533 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:28,680 Speaker 1: right from the get go here. 534 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,360 Speaker 3: Well, Brenton Cox is the biggest one. 535 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 2: He's the biggest name when you look at the kid, 536 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 2: you know, a former five star recruit at Georgia. He 537 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,680 Speaker 2: leaves Georgia, he goes to Florida. He doesn't finish last 538 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 2: year with Georgia or with Florida, but was incredibly productive 539 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,479 Speaker 2: his his junior season. A lot to like from an 540 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,639 Speaker 2: intangible standpoint. And again, even though they did draft Lucas Fanness, 541 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:50,719 Speaker 2: still a lot of opportunity there at edge rusher if 542 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 2: that's for Green Bay ultimately decides to play him. But 543 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:55,400 Speaker 2: the other one, if I can just really quickly touch 544 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 2: on it, Henry Pearson is the name. I have an 545 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 2: eye on Mike because for the first time in four years, 546 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 2: the Packers have a full back on their roster. That's 547 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 2: just he's from app State. I believe he played with 548 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:08,640 Speaker 2: Shamar John Charles there. 549 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 3: This kid. 550 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 2: He's a pass catching fullback, Mike, and if you're going 551 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 2: to survive as a full back in twenty twenty three 552 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:17,640 Speaker 2: in the National Football League, you have to be able 553 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 2: to catch the football. He did that seventy four career 554 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,920 Speaker 2: catches during his college career. The only year the Packers 555 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,720 Speaker 2: kept a full back on the roster was Danny Vitally, 556 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 2: I should say during Matt Lafleur's four years as head coach. 557 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 3: Danny Vitally in twenty nineteen. 558 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,680 Speaker 2: And I remember having this conversation with Aaron Jones back then. 559 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 2: You give a lot of credit to Joside, to Gwara, 560 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 2: how he's filled that Swiss Army knife role, the h 561 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:43,879 Speaker 2: back role, how prevalent that is for the Packers in 562 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,200 Speaker 2: Green Bay. But I remember Aaron Jones telling me there's 563 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 2: just something about running behind a full back that is different, 564 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,679 Speaker 2: and it has become kind of a luxury position with 565 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 2: fifty three man rosters but I'll tell you what, Mike, 566 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 2: if Pearson comes in and shows that he can catch 567 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 2: the football on block and do all those little on tangibles, 568 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 2: I still think there's always going to be a plays 569 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 2: for a full back in Green Bay if they show 570 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 2: that they can play. 571 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you on uh certainly on Brenton Cox 572 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:11,160 Speaker 1: being the biggest name amongst those undrafted free agents. Obviously, 573 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,440 Speaker 1: he's had the off field issues, got dismissed from a 574 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:17,399 Speaker 1: couple of SEC programs, both Georgia and Florida. This is 575 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,919 Speaker 1: a young man who was going to be drafted. He 576 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 1: would have had his name called if not for the 577 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 1: off field stuff. So the Packers are taking a chance here. 578 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,239 Speaker 1: Obviously it's one of those players that you know you 579 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 1: give a very short leash. He knows that he he 580 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 1: has an opportunity to put all that stuff behind him, 581 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 1: and and I'll be interested to see if he can, 582 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 1: if he can seize that opportunity in a place like 583 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 1: Green Bay. And I'll just throw out one other name 584 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 1: just because again of the the opportunity at tight end 585 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 1: in this offense. Cameron McDonald from Florida State is here 586 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 1: as a as an undrafted rookie and he's he's got 587 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 1: he's got the physical profile of of you know, a 588 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 1: move tight end and a guy who can potentially get 589 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 1: down the field. And and you know this that that's 590 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 1: the kind of undrafted rookie that I could see playing 591 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,720 Speaker 1: quite a bit in the preseason games in August and 592 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:10,480 Speaker 1: maybe getting a chance to getting a chance to do 593 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 1: something with with Sean Clifford or Dannyetling throwing passes in August, 594 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 1: when when those preseason games get into the second half, 595 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 1: maybe has a chance to catch somebody's eye. So have 596 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 1: a couple other thoughts for you. One with Rookie Mini 597 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 1: Camp this weekend, the players are actually arriving on Thursday, 598 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 1: as as we're taping the show as many you might 599 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 1: be watching or listening to it, they're arriving for the 600 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 1: for the two days of Rookie Mini Camp on Friday 601 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 1: and Saturday. What are you most interested in in terms 602 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 1: of this this Rookie Mini Camp? What are you going 603 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:46,440 Speaker 1: to have your eye on the most? 604 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I wrote this in our Insider Inbox column. For me, 605 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 2: it's always just seeing the early draft picks in the 606 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:53,959 Speaker 2: uniform for the first time, just kind of getting those 607 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 2: first impressions, just kind of tracking them throughout the practice. Also, 608 00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 2: on Friday, we'll be chatting potentially with all thirteen guys 609 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 2: from that rookie draft class, getting to know their personalities 610 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 2: a little bit, getting to kind of everyone's on their 611 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 2: best behavior, obviously, but it is fun sort of being 612 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 2: able to kind of mix it up a little bit. 613 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 2: I try not to draw too many conclusions from these 614 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 2: practices because I will never forget. I think it was 615 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 2: in twenty thirteen or fourteen Mike McCarthy was asked for 616 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:23,760 Speaker 2: the MVP of the practice or the weekend, and it 617 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 2: would ended up being a Kansas City, a Kansas state 618 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 2: running back who did sign as a UFA but got 619 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 2: exactly zero dollars and zero census a signing bonus, And 620 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:34,960 Speaker 2: I think I don't even know if he ended up 621 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 2: making it to training camp. So I don't know how 622 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,280 Speaker 2: much you can draw from these practices in terms of 623 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,600 Speaker 2: the actual like, hey, is this a good pick or not? 624 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 2: But I am excited to see Vans in uniform for 625 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 2: the first time, and honestly just seeing how Jaden Reid 626 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 2: moves and potentially what these guys offer at their respective 627 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 2: positions and hearing Rich Pisaci probably yelled at some rookies. 628 00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 3: I remember last year. 629 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 2: I was like, oh wow, that's that was my biggest 630 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 2: takeaway last year was oh, rich Masati, this guy's not 631 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:03,959 Speaker 2: messing around. 632 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, that'll that'll be that'll be fun to see 633 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 1: that interaction. And sticking with that theme of special teams, 634 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have my eye on the kicker from Auburn 635 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 1: Anders Carlson, just because we've heard so much about his 636 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 1: injuries and that now he has supposedly has the brace 637 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 1: off of his non kicking leg. And I'm always just 638 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 1: interested any anytime a new kicker comes along and you know, 639 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 1: they line up for they line up for some field 640 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 1: goal attempts. You know they're working on you know, the 641 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 1: protection and and different things like that, but they kicked 642 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 1: the ball for real, and it's always just interesting, how 643 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 1: does the ball come off the guy's foot, what does 644 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,240 Speaker 1: it sound like? What does it look like? And uh, 645 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 1: because having watched Mason Crosby, having covered his entire career 646 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 1: since he arrived in two thousand and seven, you know 647 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:49,680 Speaker 1: what it's supposed to look like and sound like for 648 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 1: an NFL kicker, and and always that that first impression 649 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 1: when a new when a new kicker comes in, you 650 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 1: see him kicking in the Hudson Center. That's always something 651 00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 1: that that I make a mental note of. Last thing 652 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,239 Speaker 1: for you, West, it was a long weekend, as we 653 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 1: talked about Thursday, Friday, Saturday of the draft. The Packers 654 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 1: took thirteen players, nine of them on Saturday. My last 655 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 1: thing for you is we wrap up kind of our 656 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 1: draft review. Is what was your most And this can 657 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,320 Speaker 1: be anything. I'll let you go wherever you want with this. 658 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:23,959 Speaker 1: What was your most memorable moment of covering the twenty 659 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,600 Speaker 1: twenty three NFL Draft of the Green Bay Packers. 660 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. It was probably Patrick Moore walking out after 661 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 2: they took Colby Wooden, who might be the only great 662 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 2: draft pick we didn't actually talk about today in the 663 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 2: fourth round, and he had that nice little that one 664 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:39,800 Speaker 2: liner that zinger. As he was leaving, He's like, all right, 665 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:45,080 Speaker 2: thanks guys, I'll see here eight more times more times. Yeah, 666 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 2: And at that moment I was like I was because 667 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 2: I was thinking when they drafted wood and I'm like, Oh, 668 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 2: this won't be so bad. And then I'm like, oh, wait, 669 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,720 Speaker 2: we got eight more of these guys to go through 670 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 2: and then just the seventh round. I joked with you 671 00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:01,480 Speaker 2: before the draft about how I don't retain my rhythm, 672 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 2: my plans, my schedule for the draft. 673 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:05,440 Speaker 3: All this was number fourteen for me. 674 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 2: Now every one of them feels like the first time 675 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 2: because it's just survival mode and trying to get content 676 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 2: up in stories up and names out there and making 677 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 2: sure that we spelled the names right. Like it's just 678 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:22,120 Speaker 2: a tornado of activity. So yeah, I enjoyed Patrick Moore's 679 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,440 Speaker 2: line there that gave me a good chuckle. You probably 680 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 2: heard it on the live stream if people were watching. 681 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm with you, I have a different line 682 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 1: that struck me and it didn't give me a chuckle. 683 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:38,720 Speaker 1: But in relation to your describing the tornado of activity, 684 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 1: especially on Saturday, where we're going crazy with trying to 685 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,960 Speaker 1: keep the website updated, getting information up on the picks 686 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,880 Speaker 1: as soon as the Packers make them, and all of that, 687 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:51,760 Speaker 1: and then we're absolutely exhausted at the end of Saturday, 688 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,280 Speaker 1: and the last person we're going to hear from at 689 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,960 Speaker 1: the podium is general manager Brian Gudukunt, and then he 690 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:02,760 Speaker 1: makes a comment after the Packers selected thirteen guys and 691 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:04,200 Speaker 1: we are completely wiped out. 692 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 3: He makes a. 693 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,719 Speaker 1: Comment that it already looks like the Packers will have 694 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:11,440 Speaker 1: eleven draft picks next year in twenty twenty four. Like 695 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,160 Speaker 1: that was like I just paused. I sort of stared 696 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,520 Speaker 1: at the ceiling for a second, like are you kidding me? 697 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 1: But he's obviously talking about there's the extra pick from 698 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:21,800 Speaker 1: the New York Jets, the Aaron Rodgers trade, that'll be 699 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 1: either a second or a first rounder. And then he's 700 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:28,440 Speaker 1: already calculating the Packers potentially getting three compensatory draft picks 701 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,640 Speaker 1: based on the free agenc they lost led by Alan 702 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 1: Lazard and that contract that he got from the New 703 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,480 Speaker 1: York Jets. So if you add the extra pick from Rogers, 704 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,040 Speaker 1: and if the Packers do get three compensatories, yeah, you're 705 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:42,360 Speaker 1: already at eleven picks for the twenty twenty four draft 706 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,880 Speaker 1: before anything else happens here. And that sort of you know, 707 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,280 Speaker 1: I had to pause and sigh and go like, okay, 708 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,279 Speaker 1: but we can worry about that twelve months from now. 709 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,040 Speaker 1: But hats off to you, my friend. It was It 710 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,480 Speaker 1: was a great It was a great weekend to coverage. 711 00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,799 Speaker 1: We were knocking it out on the website doing the 712 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:02,800 Speaker 1: best we could for the fans, and yeah, it wiped 713 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:04,000 Speaker 1: us out, but it was a heck of a lot 714 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:04,520 Speaker 1: of fun too. 715 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,160 Speaker 2: Yeah it was, And we just got to be thankful 716 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,759 Speaker 2: that the undrafted the unrestricted free agency windows finally ended, 717 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,120 Speaker 2: so the compensatory formula is pretty much set. 718 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, over the cap does have. 719 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:19,040 Speaker 2: Robert Tunyan right on the fringe of a seventh rounder though, too, 720 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:20,440 Speaker 2: so that'll be the one we'll have to keep an 721 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:21,239 Speaker 2: eye on next year. 722 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,080 Speaker 3: But yeah, all being said, it was a good weekend. 723 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,239 Speaker 2: We I think you and I we we navigated it 724 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,880 Speaker 2: pretty well considering it was the most picks the packers 725 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,680 Speaker 2: have made in twenty three years and now we get 726 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:33,080 Speaker 2: a chance to see what they're gonna look like in 727 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 2: a packer's uniform. 728 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,239 Speaker 1: Well, in a shout out to all the fans out 729 00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,759 Speaker 1: there too, we had a tremendous weekend in terms of 730 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,520 Speaker 1: traffic on our website, the stories, the photo galleries, the videos, 731 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:48,400 Speaker 1: everything like that. We appreciate y'all following us and keeping 732 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,640 Speaker 1: up with everything and enjoying the content that we're doing. 733 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,279 Speaker 1: When we get to see those numbers, it helps us 734 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,320 Speaker 1: feel pretty good about all the work that we're putting 735 00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,080 Speaker 1: in because we're not just putting it out there in 736 00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:00,440 Speaker 1: the ether for you know, for nobody. There people who 737 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:04,720 Speaker 1: are actually consuming the content, and we definitely appreciate the fans' 738 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,279 Speaker 1: dedication to a long weekend as well. 739 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,200 Speaker 2: Imagine how that would have felt like if we would 740 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,000 Speaker 2: have gotten the report on Monday and it's like, oh, yeah, 741 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:12,919 Speaker 2: one hundred and forty eight people read the van Atte 742 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:16,760 Speaker 2: story and then thankfully we cover the Green Bay Packers. 743 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,080 Speaker 3: People naturally care about stuff, so we appreciate that. 744 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, and we definitely appreciate all of all of the 745 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:26,239 Speaker 1: attention that they pay to our content and to our website. 746 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,560 Speaker 1: So with that, we will call it a wrap on 747 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,799 Speaker 1: this edition of Packers Unscripted. We'll be back next week 748 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,440 Speaker 1: to talk about Rookie Mini Camp some of the impressions 749 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:38,880 Speaker 1: without drawing too many conclusions, as Wes warned us earlier 750 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:40,799 Speaker 1: in the show, But we'll be back next week with that. 751 00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:45,000 Speaker 1: So for Wes, I am Mike, thank you for tuning 752 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,359 Speaker 1: in everybody, and we will see you next time.