WEBVTT - Player's Lounge: The Million Dollar Question 0:00:00.000 --> 0:00:08.959 Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This 0:00:09.920 --> 0:00:14.360 is the Player's louvel broadcasting line from Dallas Cowboys World 0:00:14.400 --> 0:00:20.079 headquarters at the Star. Now your hosts, Barry Church, Danny McCrae, 0:00:20.160 --> 0:00:27.520 and new He scrugs. Alright, it is Friday right here, 0:00:27.560 --> 0:00:30.240 all the players louds. Hope everybody's doing well? Um do 0:00:30.360 --> 0:00:32.760 we scrugs? Long time Cowboys report to join by former 0:00:32.840 --> 0:00:36.440 Dallas Cowboys safety Barry Church. Players. I was brought to 0:00:36.479 --> 0:00:40.120 you by Hotels dot Com. I am in my SWBC 0:00:40.360 --> 0:00:47.600 Mortgage virtual home studio. Barry's not in his home studios, 0:00:47.800 --> 0:00:51.920 living the life that he Shan's the shot con of 0:00:52.000 --> 0:00:55.160 the Jacksonville Jackets. Yes, sir, I love it, man, I 0:00:55.240 --> 0:00:58.120 love it. Oh man. You know I'm just trying to 0:00:58.120 --> 0:01:00.520 live out here, man, you know, just taking in all 0:01:00.520 --> 0:01:03.080 the scenes. Man. And it's a it's a beautiful Friday. 0:01:03.120 --> 0:01:06.560 It's a beautiful Friday. Look, it's a players lounge. So, 0:01:06.640 --> 0:01:08.760 like I always said, where else would you rather be 0:01:09.120 --> 0:01:12.920 than talking Cowboys football with me and Neui and our 0:01:13.000 --> 0:01:14.840 co host d Mac. I've seen a lot of the 0:01:14.880 --> 0:01:17.640 Twitter Twitter questions asking where's he had? Is he coming back? 0:01:17.760 --> 0:01:19.600 He'll be back mid May, so just hold on a 0:01:19.680 --> 0:01:22.640 little bit and he'll be back for us. But like always, 0:01:22.720 --> 0:01:26.080 let's get started on as players lounge. Yes, in the 0:01:26.120 --> 0:01:28.840 business barrier, what we call it, it's on assignment. So 0:01:29.240 --> 0:01:31.440 you know, there we go, and he's still a part 0:01:31.440 --> 0:01:34.000 of the team. He's on assignment right now. So he's 0:01:34.040 --> 0:01:36.120 gonna be back in May. But just right now, I 0:01:36.200 --> 0:01:38.440 just gotta let him be on assignment handling some things 0:01:38.440 --> 0:01:40.800 that he'll be back with us rolling along here. So 0:01:40.880 --> 0:01:44.399 the draft is less than a week away, and in 0:01:44.440 --> 0:01:47.640 some ways, if you think about a church, Thursday is 0:01:47.720 --> 0:01:51.280 kind of easy. The Cowboys know exactly kind of what 0:01:51.320 --> 0:01:54.200 will be there for them at ten Friday is when 0:01:54.200 --> 0:01:56.360 the real work starts, because you're talking about the second 0:01:56.480 --> 0:01:59.280 and third round picks of the draft, and the Cowboys 0:01:59.280 --> 0:02:02.559 have had a trying to hit on these second round picks. 0:02:02.560 --> 0:02:05.520 And so to me, that's gonna be really key for 0:02:05.600 --> 0:02:08.079 the Cowboys in this twenty twenty one draft. What do 0:02:08.080 --> 0:02:11.000 you do in rounds two? In rounds three? You know 0:02:11.080 --> 0:02:13.560 you cannot come up with another Tristan Hill, Kay, you 0:02:13.600 --> 0:02:16.519 just you just cannot. You need to have players you 0:02:16.639 --> 0:02:19.680 come in here immediately and get it to me day. 0:02:19.720 --> 0:02:23.560 These day two players need to become either walk in 0:02:23.600 --> 0:02:28.520 starters or major contributors to the football team without a doubt. 0:02:28.800 --> 0:02:31.120 You know, those two those rounds two through three, you 0:02:31.120 --> 0:02:32.920 know a lot of everybody's kind of you know, looking 0:02:32.960 --> 0:02:34.480 at that first round pick. It's you know, it's the 0:02:34.520 --> 0:02:36.960 glitz and the glamour, it's the flashy pick. It's some 0:02:37.160 --> 0:02:40.840 teams you know, future franchise maybe quarterback or future franchise 0:02:40.880 --> 0:02:42.560 pick at that number one spot, and that's where all 0:02:42.560 --> 0:02:45.280 the glitz and glamour goes. But the real hard work 0:02:45.280 --> 0:02:48.480 and the real adding consistent depth to your team, that's 0:02:48.480 --> 0:02:50.840 when those rounds two through four, I believe come in. 0:02:50.880 --> 0:02:52.360 That's when you come in, heredy, That's when you get 0:02:52.400 --> 0:02:55.160 your guys that they might not be day one starters, 0:02:55.600 --> 0:02:58.120 but you're saying to them, hey, look, future, the future 0:02:58.160 --> 0:03:00.640 could be yours. Just grind at it and get to yours. 0:03:00.639 --> 0:03:03.000 And this is where we need depth pieces because we 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:05.240 know this team going into this season, you know, I 0:03:05.280 --> 0:03:07.240 hate to say it, but you know we're an injury 0:03:07.360 --> 0:03:09.480 kind of injury prone team. I mean, over these past 0:03:09.520 --> 0:03:11.560 couple of years, we have a lot of starters miss 0:03:11.680 --> 0:03:13.960 huge chunks of time, and it kind of, you know, 0:03:14.000 --> 0:03:16.600 dismantled what we have throughout the season. So for me, 0:03:16.639 --> 0:03:20.040 these rounds two through four they're extremely vital. They're great 0:03:20.080 --> 0:03:22.200 for adding depth pieces and then you might be able 0:03:22.240 --> 0:03:24.000 to find that diamond in the rough. I mean, we 0:03:24.040 --> 0:03:26.399 saw what we were able to find in Dak Prescott 0:03:26.400 --> 0:03:28.680 in the fourth round, the future franchise quarterback in the 0:03:28.680 --> 0:03:31.320 face of the Dallas Cowboys organization. So he was able 0:03:31.320 --> 0:03:34.359 to be found in the fourth round. Checho Woozie, I'm sorry, 0:03:34.440 --> 0:03:36.920 Traymon Diggs last year was in the second round pick 0:03:36.960 --> 0:03:39.040 and no he had, you know, an up and down season. 0:03:39.280 --> 0:03:41.160 I think everybody can say they love his fight and 0:03:41.160 --> 0:03:42.840 they love the dog in him, and he could be 0:03:42.880 --> 0:03:45.760 a future cornerstone piece to this defense. So to me, 0:03:45.840 --> 0:03:47.960 the rounds two through three or two through four, they're 0:03:48.000 --> 0:03:50.680 just as important as the first round. They're just not 0:03:50.760 --> 0:03:55.280 as flashy. You look last year Diggs being taken in 0:03:55.480 --> 0:03:57.560 the second round. He was a player that we had 0:03:57.560 --> 0:04:00.320 talked about, we talked about the we talked, I should 0:04:00.320 --> 0:04:02.320 say about the Cowboys taking in the first so they 0:04:02.440 --> 0:04:04.840 get an absolute gift to get him in the second round. 0:04:05.040 --> 0:04:06.920 I thought he was the best corner that they had 0:04:07.000 --> 0:04:09.440 last year. And if they can get some help over 0:04:09.480 --> 0:04:10.760 there for that young man, I think he has a 0:04:10.760 --> 0:04:12.720 good future. But just looking here at the Cowboys, you 0:04:12.760 --> 0:04:14.680 go back to twenty nineteen, that's when they took Tristan 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:19.320 Hill in round in round two. They also took Connor McGovern, 0:04:19.760 --> 0:04:22.159 the guard in round three. He finally got on the 0:04:22.160 --> 0:04:25.160 field last year. For him taking the twenty eighteen Connor 0:04:25.160 --> 0:04:29.159 Williams was your second round pick, Michael Gallup your third 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:32.080 round pick. We've seen Gallup have an excellent career with 0:04:32.160 --> 0:04:36.120 the Cowboys, and Carter Williams has started a lot of games, 0:04:36.120 --> 0:04:37.719 but I don't know if he's going to get a 0:04:37.720 --> 0:04:41.000 second contract. When you start to think about what they 0:04:41.080 --> 0:04:44.360 do with his position, I think he's been He's been 0:04:44.400 --> 0:04:47.080 a decent pick. He hasn't been a Pro Bowl pick. 0:04:47.279 --> 0:04:49.640 And then I go back to twenty seventeen and you 0:04:49.640 --> 0:04:52.080 look at Cheeto A Woozier who was taking in the 0:04:52.120 --> 0:04:54.560 second round of the draft. Cheeto is now remember the 0:04:54.560 --> 0:04:56.680 Cincinnati Bengals. They didn't give him a new deal, and 0:04:56.760 --> 0:04:58.839 you did see George Lewis their third round pick. George 0:04:58.880 --> 0:05:01.720 Lewis just signed an contract with the Cowboys, so they've 0:05:01.720 --> 0:05:04.440 got to improve in this area. So we're basically talking 0:05:04.480 --> 0:05:07.760 about here one, two, three, and then last year four drafts, 0:05:08.640 --> 0:05:11.800 Nevil Galliman was taken in third rounds the defensive line 0:05:11.839 --> 0:05:13.880 from Oklahoma. I think he is a player who can 0:05:13.920 --> 0:05:16.080 help the Cowboys. I see him as a rotational player 0:05:16.279 --> 0:05:18.520 or the defensive line. But they've got to start hitting 0:05:18.560 --> 0:05:21.560 here and hitting at a better clip. So while Thursday 0:05:21.680 --> 0:05:23.840 is gonna be exciting, it's gonna be the first round 0:05:24.000 --> 0:05:26.640 because that's by the way of case. Some folks don't understand. 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:29.320 The first round is third. Oh, it's just the first round. 0:05:29.600 --> 0:05:32.000 On Friday, it's rounds two through three. And this is 0:05:32.000 --> 0:05:35.200 where the Cowboys, in my opinion, really need to hit 0:05:35.240 --> 0:05:36.880 on these picks. And this is where I trust a 0:05:36.880 --> 0:05:40.520 guy like Will McClay and hopefully they listen to Will 0:05:40.640 --> 0:05:45.080 McClay because Barry, the way things work around with the Cowboys, 0:05:44.839 --> 0:05:47.560 it's a lot they Jerry Jones takes a lot of 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:50.400 different opinions. No, he consulted the t to a lot 0:05:50.400 --> 0:05:53.320 of people. So is dan quinn gonna make the pick 0:05:53.440 --> 0:05:55.560 if the player is a defensive player or is it 0:05:55.600 --> 0:05:58.560 the position coach. Is it going to be Mike McCarthy, 0:05:58.680 --> 0:06:01.200 Will it be Will McClay, will it be whoever Jerry 0:06:01.240 --> 0:06:03.040 or Stephen wants. I mean, that's gonna be an interesting 0:06:03.040 --> 0:06:04.920 thing when it comes down to where did they go? 0:06:05.360 --> 0:06:08.080 And as you in my opinion, we started looking at 0:06:08.120 --> 0:06:10.800 this rounds two or three. People got pet cats man, 0:06:10.800 --> 0:06:12.719 and they may decide, well, I want this, I want that, 0:06:12.760 --> 0:06:15.240 And that's gonna be real interesting. Had somebody asked me 0:06:15.600 --> 0:06:19.400 on Twitter today about Mike McCarthy and did they think 0:06:19.400 --> 0:06:24.160 that Mike McCarthy would be making a defensive pick, like, hey, 0:06:24.160 --> 0:06:27.200 which about j C. Horne's Like, hey, because he knew 0:06:27.240 --> 0:06:28.800 his dad? Because it came out on that video on 0:06:28.880 --> 0:06:31.679 Dallas Cowboys dot Com with the interview jac Horne when 0:06:32.120 --> 0:06:35.000 McCarthy was coaching down in New Orleans. Hey, do you 0:06:35.040 --> 0:06:36.840 think he'd go with jac Horn? Because he knew his dad? 0:06:36.839 --> 0:06:40.160 And I'm like, man, I don't think that Mike McCarthy 0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:42.839 is the guy I would lean on if from listening 0:06:42.839 --> 0:06:46.279 to Jerry's press conference, he spoke that Dan Quinn was 0:06:46.279 --> 0:06:49.160 going to have a major set. So if j. C. 0:06:49.400 --> 0:06:51.479 Horne is on the board, the Cowboys are making the 0:06:51.560 --> 0:06:54.600 choice I would be talking to one Will McClay and 0:06:54.640 --> 0:06:56.479 the scouts. Okay, I want to talk to the scouts 0:06:56.480 --> 0:06:57.919 because they've done a lot of the work on it. 0:06:58.200 --> 0:07:01.440 And then I would ask Dan when what would he 0:07:01.520 --> 0:07:03.680 want to do? McCarthy be the last guy that I'd 0:07:03.680 --> 0:07:06.680 sit around here and ask about the defensive player, I 0:07:06.760 --> 0:07:09.880 mean low and behold. Let's remember Mike McCarthy was the 0:07:09.920 --> 0:07:12.360 guy who was the offensive coordinator of San Francisco when 0:07:12.360 --> 0:07:14.040 they had the number one pick in the draft and said, 0:07:14.080 --> 0:07:19.480 let's take Alex Smith over Aaron Rod. You know, I 0:07:19.560 --> 0:07:23.040 wasn't that bad, but I don't understand what Aaron too. 0:07:23.160 --> 0:07:30.400 But stop long, guys go overall. Fame is gonna fall 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:34.920 of fame. The guys, well, I he didn't have that 0:07:35.120 --> 0:07:38.160 bad of a career. Bulloo overall, I think, and I've 0:07:38.160 --> 0:07:40.240 said this for a long time. I've said this for 0:07:40.280 --> 0:07:44.080 a long time. This draft is gonna put immense pressure 0:07:44.160 --> 0:07:46.400 on Will because you know, we got the deal done 0:07:46.400 --> 0:07:48.520 with Dak Prescott, and I think everybody's happy about how 0:07:48.520 --> 0:07:50.080 the deal worked out. We got a little bit of 0:07:50.120 --> 0:07:52.760 extra caps face for that first year, but the next 0:07:52.760 --> 0:07:54.760 couple of years, I mean, he's gonna eat a lot 0:07:54.800 --> 0:07:56.600 of that cap space. And where we're gonna have to 0:07:56.600 --> 0:07:59.520 find defensively is we're gonna have to find these guys, 0:07:59.520 --> 0:08:02.000 like we said in a second, third, fourth round, to 0:08:02.080 --> 0:08:04.800 add depth to this defense. And that's where Will McClay 0:08:04.880 --> 0:08:07.240 and Dan quinn I think they have to come together 0:08:07.560 --> 0:08:09.480 and get put their brain powers and all the brain 0:08:09.560 --> 0:08:11.760 trust together to pick a team or pick a player 0:08:11.960 --> 0:08:14.080 that can help on help on day one, whether it 0:08:14.160 --> 0:08:16.080 be you know, in a Nickel role or in some 0:08:16.120 --> 0:08:18.320 type of you know, backup world or in the special teams. 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:20.840 They got to find a player defensively to help this 0:08:20.920 --> 0:08:23.440 defense go along. So if so, when we're picking, like 0:08:23.480 --> 0:08:25.480 you said, I'm with you on that McCarthy thing, I 0:08:25.520 --> 0:08:28.040 don't think you know, we kind of we we look 0:08:28.080 --> 0:08:30.200 at his what he thinks we should pick, But I 0:08:30.200 --> 0:08:33.240 think I'm leaning towards Dan quinn and Will McClay one 0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:36.120 because Dan this is his defense. Hopefully they make it 0:08:36.240 --> 0:08:38.760 his defense, and the carpenter needs his tools. Like we've 0:08:38.840 --> 0:08:41.240 always said, when he was with Seattle, he had the 0:08:41.360 --> 0:08:44.200 Legion of Boom, he had cam, he had Earl Thomas, 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:47.560 Cliff Avril, all those boys over there, and he built 0:08:47.559 --> 0:08:50.080 that legion of Boom defense and what he thought would 0:08:50.120 --> 0:08:52.480 be a successful defense and then ended up being that way. 0:08:52.600 --> 0:08:54.640 So if I'm him, if I'm Jerry, I'm going to 0:08:54.720 --> 0:08:57.360 dan Quinn, what do you need? What tools do you 0:08:57.559 --> 0:09:00.400 need to make this defense from one of the historically 0:09:00.480 --> 0:09:02.839 bad defense to at least middle of the road. Like 0:09:02.880 --> 0:09:05.240 I'm not even asking for a top ten defense. I'm 0:09:05.280 --> 0:09:08.040 not even asking for a legion of Boom style defense. 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:10.280 But I need him to get tools on this defense 0:09:10.320 --> 0:09:12.720 to make it a middle of the road defense. Because 0:09:12.720 --> 0:09:15.600 with the power we have offensively, with all that star 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:19.200 power Dac, those receivers, the running game, hopefully a healthy 0:09:19.240 --> 0:09:21.880 offensive line, I think we will able to put up 0:09:21.880 --> 0:09:23.400 points out there and we can have the ability to 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:26.280 be a top five, maybe even top three offense out there. 0:09:26.400 --> 0:09:28.439 So our defense just has to be a middle of 0:09:28.480 --> 0:09:30.960 the road. I'm leaning on Dan Quinn to make the 0:09:31.080 --> 0:09:33.960 right plays here with the assistance of Will McClay, and 0:09:33.960 --> 0:09:37.400 he has. Will McClay has hit on draft picks these 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:40.280 past couple of years. But this contract that we gave 0:09:40.360 --> 0:09:42.559 Dak Prescott is putting a lot of pressure on Will 0:09:42.720 --> 0:09:45.920 and I'm sure he'll be able to come through for us. Look, 0:09:46.000 --> 0:09:49.920 I think there's always pressure on anybody in scouting in 0:09:49.960 --> 0:09:52.560 the National Football League because you're always trying to find 0:09:52.600 --> 0:09:56.480 ways to improve your football team. My big question is 0:09:57.360 --> 0:10:00.360 when it comes down to these picks, who do who 0:10:00.360 --> 0:10:03.800 are you going to listen to? We saw where Rod 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:08.000 Marinelli had major juice. I mean Rod Marinelli wanted Triston Hill. Okay, 0:10:08.040 --> 0:10:11.120 he said I want this guy. And Chris Rashard is 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:13.120 in the room, and so many people like Dave Hellman 0:10:13.160 --> 0:10:16.240 over Dallas Cowboys dot Com and that the guy's on 0:10:16.280 --> 0:10:18.160 the draft show. We're like, hey, man, they need to 0:10:18.200 --> 0:10:20.679 go take one thorn Hill to safety, and they didn't 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:22.520 do it. One thorn Hill ends up going to the 0:10:22.559 --> 0:10:24.440 Kansas City Chiefs, is part of a Super Bowl team 0:10:24.440 --> 0:10:26.640 and he's been a starter there. And Triston Hill is 0:10:26.640 --> 0:10:29.439 a guy coming off at ACL who has not lived 0:10:29.520 --> 0:10:31.400 up to the billing. One of the issues that I 0:10:31.440 --> 0:10:34.400 had with the whole Triston Hill thing was Rob Marionelli 0:10:34.480 --> 0:10:36.280 was saying, hey, look, I'm gonna make a contract with 0:10:36.320 --> 0:10:38.360 this guy. Basically a contract with this guy that this 0:10:38.360 --> 0:10:40.600 guy's gonna go out here and play hard. Triston Hills 0:10:40.640 --> 0:10:43.840 last year ucf he was benched. The new coaching staff 0:10:43.920 --> 0:10:46.040 had issues with him, and he had issues with them. 0:10:46.200 --> 0:10:48.600 And so this is a guy who was not starting 0:10:48.679 --> 0:10:51.200 the year before under Scott Frost, he was starting. So 0:10:51.240 --> 0:10:55.000 the Cowboys basically didn't listen to the current coaching staff 0:10:55.040 --> 0:10:57.080 that was there. They went back to the other coaching 0:10:57.120 --> 0:10:58.720 staff who told him what they wanted to hear. And 0:10:58.760 --> 0:11:02.079 what at Tristan Hill become he was a problem. And 0:11:03.080 --> 0:11:05.360 that's where you just say, man, I don't know. I'll 0:11:05.440 --> 0:11:08.040 give Rob Marinelli credit on this when he's the one 0:11:08.040 --> 0:11:10.120 who want to Lake Vanderesh. I thought they should take 0:11:10.120 --> 0:11:12.400 in the linebacker around Alabama, but they took lake Vanderesh. 0:11:12.520 --> 0:11:14.640 He made the Pro Bowl. Rob Marinelli was also the 0:11:14.679 --> 0:11:17.559 guy who said I want Taco Charlton. T J. Watt 0:11:17.600 --> 0:11:19.880 was a better football player at the Big Ten, and 0:11:19.920 --> 0:11:22.640 we've seen t J. Watters become an All Pro football player. 0:11:22.679 --> 0:11:25.080 But they were listening to Rod Marinelli. So that's my 0:11:25.160 --> 0:11:26.839 thing is just do you want to listen to your coaches, 0:11:26.880 --> 0:11:28.120 you want to listen to the scout, listen to the 0:11:28.120 --> 0:11:30.240 people who do this all the time. That's gonna be 0:11:30.240 --> 0:11:32.960 an interesting question. Let me ask you a question, do 0:11:32.960 --> 0:11:36.079 you think it comes down to who has more juice 0:11:36.120 --> 0:11:38.440 in the room. Like Marionelli came in, he has this 0:11:38.520 --> 0:11:41.000 huge pedigree of being one of the best defensive minds 0:11:41.000 --> 0:11:43.240 in football. He's been in a part of the NFL 0:11:43.280 --> 0:11:45.240 for twenty some years. He's a part of the Cowboys, 0:11:45.240 --> 0:11:46.840 And do you think it was he Look, this guy 0:11:46.880 --> 0:11:48.920 has all the experience, he should know who to pick. 0:11:49.320 --> 0:11:51.320 And in a situation we got now, do you think 0:11:51.360 --> 0:11:53.840 they would lean towards dan Quinn in that situation like 0:11:53.920 --> 0:11:55.520 this is a new guy coming in. He needs to 0:11:55.520 --> 0:11:58.280 get his defense in the right situation. He's to get 0:11:58.280 --> 0:12:00.280 all the tools he can get to get them most 0:12:00.280 --> 0:12:02.000 out of this defense. Do you think they lean on 0:12:02.080 --> 0:12:04.199 him like they did Marinelli? Or do you think, Hey, 0:12:04.360 --> 0:12:06.080 you know, McCarthy got the juice right now, he's the 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:07.960 head coach. He's gonna pick who he wants to pick. 0:12:08.320 --> 0:12:11.520 I'm hoping that they lean towards the defensive side with 0:12:11.320 --> 0:12:14.240 the with um dan Quinn when they go to pick 0:12:14.280 --> 0:12:16.360 like they did with Marinelli. But I just want to know, 0:12:16.360 --> 0:12:18.040 do you think it's who has more juice in the room, 0:12:18.080 --> 0:12:20.280 Because on the offensive side of the on the offensive 0:12:20.320 --> 0:12:22.880 side of the coordination or whatever it is. I think 0:12:22.880 --> 0:12:25.320 it was Marinelli and who was our OC was it? 0:12:25.320 --> 0:12:27.560 It was? It was Lenahan at the time, I believe, 0:12:27.559 --> 0:12:28.880 and I just think, you know, marion Nelli had a 0:12:28.920 --> 0:12:30.520 little bit more juice. Do you think that has anything 0:12:30.559 --> 0:12:32.839 to do with who they lean on as far as picking, 0:12:35.000 --> 0:12:38.040 I've always heard it's who talked to Jerry last That's 0:12:38.080 --> 0:12:41.760 the thing I've heard through the years that was kind 0:12:41.760 --> 0:12:45.240 of be the way it went. But here's from talking 0:12:45.280 --> 0:12:48.400 to many people through covering football for so many years. 0:12:48.440 --> 0:12:53.720 Here this has just been my take. Coaches are going 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:57.800 to look at what fits for me now, because coaches 0:12:57.880 --> 0:13:01.360 know they're like a milk carton many expiration day. You 0:13:01.400 --> 0:13:04.200 know they're here to win now. If you're Mike McCarthy, 0:13:04.280 --> 0:13:06.840 if you're Dan Quinn, you need to win now. If 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:09.280 you're Dan Quinn, if you can turn this Cowboys defense 0:13:09.320 --> 0:13:11.640 around real quick, you know what happens for you next year. 0:13:11.679 --> 0:13:14.880 You might be back hiring sys right this So dan 0:13:14.960 --> 0:13:16.520 Quinn is going to try to find somebody that he 0:13:16.600 --> 0:13:19.520 wants right now. If I'm Will McClay, I'm not looking 0:13:19.520 --> 0:13:21.400 here at that now. I'm looking here at the next 0:13:21.400 --> 0:13:23.720 two to three years, two to three to four years, 0:13:23.720 --> 0:13:26.200 so they look at things differently. I go back to 0:13:26.200 --> 0:13:29.800 when Wade Phillips was the head coach and on the 0:13:29.840 --> 0:13:35.200 board I was told was an excellent linebacker Navarro Bowman. Well, 0:13:35.520 --> 0:13:41.560 they because they passed on him because Wade had brought 0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:44.800 in Keith Brooking, a player he had known, and so 0:13:45.080 --> 0:13:47.000 he's like, yeah, I got Brooking. So we had Brady 0:13:47.040 --> 0:13:49.800 James and Keith Brooking. Those are the linebackers here, and 0:13:49.960 --> 0:13:54.000 the Cowboys made a mistake. They should have taken Navarro Bowman, 0:13:54.120 --> 0:13:56.320 and Bowman would have been an excellent choice to replace 0:13:56.400 --> 0:13:59.199 Keith Brooking because Keith Brooking's career here was it was 0:13:59.240 --> 0:14:00.800 on the down slide. He wasn't what he was with 0:14:00.840 --> 0:14:03.120 the Atlanta Falcons. But that goes back to when you 0:14:03.160 --> 0:14:06.319 start to have your coaches pick players. People don't ever 0:14:06.440 --> 0:14:10.400 talk about how Bill Parcels wanted Bobby Carpenter. That's the 0:14:10.440 --> 0:14:13.720 guy he wanted. Bobby Carpenter was terrible, he was he 0:14:13.800 --> 0:14:16.320 was never a good football player here, and that was 0:14:16.320 --> 0:14:18.280 a guy that Bill wanted. I remember another player. I 0:14:18.320 --> 0:14:19.880 gotta go back here and check my notes here. I 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:22.920 want to say it was Al Johnson that they allowed 0:14:22.920 --> 0:14:26.760 Bill Parcels to take because they took Terence Newman one year, 0:14:26.920 --> 0:14:29.960 and so Bill didn't want Terence Newman the corner and 0:14:30.040 --> 0:14:32.160 so they basically said, all right, you get to go 0:14:32.200 --> 0:14:34.040 ahead and pick the pick the second round pickings. So 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:36.320 he took Al Johnson, a center out of Wisconsin. Well, 0:14:36.320 --> 0:14:38.840 Al ended up getting hurt his rookie year, and Andre 0:14:39.080 --> 0:14:42.080 Girard went from guard to center, and Andrea had an 0:14:42.120 --> 0:14:45.400 excellent career as a center for the Dallas Cowboys. Andrea 0:14:45.560 --> 0:14:48.240 also played guard and center at Colorado on their Big 0:14:48.280 --> 0:14:50.720 Twelve championship team. So here's a guy that position flex 0:14:50.800 --> 0:14:53.360 and center was really his best position. So Al Johnson 0:14:53.400 --> 0:14:55.920 became a guy who really was they did. I think 0:14:55.960 --> 0:14:58.320 they moved into Arizona. But he didn't do anything here. 0:14:58.400 --> 0:15:00.760 But this is what happens when you allow your coaches 0:15:00.800 --> 0:15:02.920 to pick players, they pick the guys that they want 0:15:03.120 --> 0:15:06.720 right here. Now, scouts usually tend to look towards the 0:15:06.720 --> 0:15:10.160 future and building a football team. I mean, let's let's 0:15:10.200 --> 0:15:12.600 look who Dan quinn brought in already this year. He 0:15:12.720 --> 0:15:16.280 brought in you know, Demante Kyz and Keyan O'Neill who 0:15:16.360 --> 0:15:18.720 played for him in the past in Atlanta. And look, 0:15:18.760 --> 0:15:21.600 I mean I think that Keyan O'Neill was a solid 0:15:21.760 --> 0:15:24.280 I think it was a solid free agent get just 0:15:24.320 --> 0:15:26.520 if they leave him in that hybrid linebacker rule, I 0:15:26.560 --> 0:15:28.800 think it's a solid free agent fit. But let's not 0:15:28.840 --> 0:15:31.080 you know, mistake it for you know, Cam Chancellor or 0:15:31.080 --> 0:15:33.400 anything like that. And if we bring in Kaz who's 0:15:33.400 --> 0:15:35.800 coming off a tourn Achilles, and trust me, I've been 0:15:35.840 --> 0:15:37.720 through it. When you go through Achilles, it's that year 0:15:37.800 --> 0:15:40.000 one year one is the toughest to come back from. 0:15:40.000 --> 0:15:43.040 So it's tough to me who you lean on in 0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:46.320 these situations because those two, those two free agent you 0:15:46.320 --> 0:15:48.320 know gets that we got right there. You know, I 0:15:48.360 --> 0:15:50.120 don't know if they're the best situation for us. We 0:15:50.160 --> 0:15:52.720 had Malie Cooker who's also coming off and Achilles as well, 0:15:52.800 --> 0:15:54.960 but when we had other safety options out there, but 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:57.280 he decided to go with guys he knew like you 0:15:57.360 --> 0:16:00.280 had just mentioned. So we'll see, we'll see. I mean, 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:02.000 the jury is still out to me on dan Quinn, 0:16:02.000 --> 0:16:04.120 but hopefully he can come through and pick us up 0:16:04.160 --> 0:16:08.040 some great defensive assistance out there. Now, I raised my hand. 0:16:08.160 --> 0:16:11.080 I was beating the drum saying bringing some players and 0:16:11.200 --> 0:16:15.400 some coaches that dan Quinn knows, people that understand the system, 0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:18.800 guys who can help teach the system. So I don't 0:16:18.840 --> 0:16:20.120 have a problem with that. And then you look at 0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:22.280 the deals that these guys got, I mean, they're not 0:16:22.520 --> 0:16:25.200 these multi year contracts gonna tie to cows That's true. 0:16:25.280 --> 0:16:30.680 So the team right, right, So so I don't have 0:16:30.720 --> 0:16:33.680 an issue with that. And there is something to be 0:16:33.720 --> 0:16:36.560 said for getting the right type of players that he wants. 0:16:36.600 --> 0:16:39.640 I mean, so the Cowboys scouts did their job. They 0:16:39.680 --> 0:16:41.680 went to dan Quinn and said, what kind of guys 0:16:41.680 --> 0:16:43.760 do you want? You know, what am I looking for 0:16:43.800 --> 0:16:46.000 in a corner? What am I looking for a d tackle? 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:48.480 What am I looking for at an outside linebacker? So 0:16:48.600 --> 0:16:50.960 hopefully they've got the blueprint from him on what he 0:16:51.000 --> 0:16:53.360 wants for the defense, and you try to marry it together. 0:16:53.560 --> 0:16:55.400 But you better believe there's gonna be times when the 0:16:55.440 --> 0:16:57.600 coach says I want this guy and a scout says, 0:16:57.640 --> 0:16:59.880 I believe that this guy's better. So how do you 0:16:59.880 --> 0:17:01.920 do how do you settle the how do you settle 0:17:01.960 --> 0:17:06.240 the ties? And recently we've seen Jerry Jones has gone 0:17:06.280 --> 0:17:10.040 to his coordinators and position coaches to make the call 0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:13.960 on these decisions. And my just thing was, I thought 0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:19.439 Rod Marinelli. I thought Rod Marinelli liked try hard guys 0:17:20.240 --> 0:17:23.760 to a detriment. When I think about Rod Marinelli, how 0:17:23.760 --> 0:17:26.720 did Rod Marinelli get famous or how did he get 0:17:26.760 --> 0:17:28.720 known to most people? It was because of the work 0:17:28.760 --> 0:17:31.280 that they did in Tampa. Beck Well, when Rob Marionelli 0:17:31.400 --> 0:17:33.280 was here, the Cowboys never used the first round pick 0:17:33.280 --> 0:17:34.880 on a defensive blind me. That wasn't what they did 0:17:34.880 --> 0:17:37.320 when he was the coordinator because he basically shot him 0:17:37.359 --> 0:17:39.480 away from that. But in Tampa he had Warren Sapp 0:17:39.560 --> 0:17:42.160 first round pick, Yeah, Booker McFarland first round pick, Yeah, 0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:44.479 Simeon Rice first round pick. If you want to run 0:17:44.520 --> 0:17:48.840 a simple books right, So, if you run a simple scheme, 0:17:49.520 --> 0:17:51.560 it's a lot easier when you have first round picks 0:17:51.560 --> 0:17:53.639 and great players doing it. You can only have so 0:17:53.680 --> 0:17:56.080 many try hard guys. I go back to that game 0:17:56.440 --> 0:17:58.600 at the La Colle scene when they played the Rams 0:17:58.600 --> 0:18:01.159 and the Rams just ran through room. Uh you know, 0:18:01.280 --> 0:18:03.080 just two guys right up for one hundred yards in 0:18:03.119 --> 0:18:05.720 that game and up the middle they were just too small. 0:18:06.320 --> 0:18:09.040 And Rod Marinelli, in my opinions where the cowboys, somebody 0:18:09.040 --> 0:18:11.000 should have stepped in and say, hey, man, look we 0:18:11.040 --> 0:18:13.960 need to get us some bigger guys. This is where 0:18:14.040 --> 0:18:16.680 I was happy to hear Mike McCarthy at this press 0:18:16.720 --> 0:18:18.720 conference a couple of weeks back say hey, look, you 0:18:18.720 --> 0:18:21.440 can't have enough guys that are that are six six 0:18:21.480 --> 0:18:24.400 two seventy five. So he wants some beef up front. 0:18:24.520 --> 0:18:26.600 Mike Nolan wanted some beef up front too. They just 0:18:26.640 --> 0:18:31.000 got the wrong beef. But so so that's that's that great. 0:18:31.640 --> 0:18:36.040