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Speaker 2: My name is ty Hildebrand. Joining me as always my
Speaker 2: good friend Dan Rubinstein. Way over there, And where.
Speaker 1: Are you today?
Speaker 2: Dan?
Speaker 1: I'm in Miami? Tie, Miami. Yeah I was. I was
Speaker 1: half hoping that you would have the welcome to me? Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: What are you doing down there?
Speaker 1: Uh? Not not much. I honestly, I don't have much
Speaker 1: to do. And Jody with and I had a work
Speaker 1: trip down here, and I said, you know what, I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna follow you on down to Miami. And it's
Speaker 1: it's pretty nice down here, Ty, it is. It is
Speaker 1: pretty nice. I'm not that far from the U.
Speaker 2: Okay, the free agent lifestyle is suiting well.
Speaker 1: I see it's suiting me well. And there's something I
Speaker 1: want to bring up, Ty. Yeah, there's a scene from
Speaker 1: a classic sports movie, maybe the most classic sports movie
Speaker 1: of all. There's a scene from Cool Runnings, right, and
Speaker 1: I've referenced this I want to say before on the show,
Speaker 1: but maybe I just referenced it so much. I don't
Speaker 1: know where and when. But there's a scene from the
Speaker 1: movie like before, you know, the night before a big race. God,
Speaker 1: what was the name of the main character. I know
Speaker 1: it's Leon is the actor, Okay, Derese direct, whatever it is.
Speaker 1: It was not Dougie Doug, but he was the leader.
Speaker 1: And he was in the bathtub the night before the race,
Speaker 1: an empty bathtub.
Speaker 2: Sort of going through mentally the paces of the track.
Speaker 2: I remember the paces of the track, this curve and
Speaker 2: this curve. And John Candy, the coach, was like, this
Speaker 2: is what separates you. You know, all the greats are
Speaker 2: wired like this. And as I was sitting on the
Speaker 2: beach at like I don't know, three forty five pm
Speaker 2: and realized it's probably gonna there's probably be some traffic
Speaker 2: in Miami, I gotta get back to record the show.
Speaker 2: I'm going to say this right now, Ty, Lesser college
Speaker 2: football podcasts would not have made the sacrifice. No, I'm
Speaker 2: a very stupid person. But here we are, Ty, this
Speaker 2: is what separates us. Come rain or shine or beautiful
Speaker 2: Miami sands. We are the cool Runnings leader of podcast consistence.
Speaker 2: Why didn't you record from the beach in retrospect?
Speaker 1: I should have.
Speaker 2: We could have figured out some way to record from
Speaker 2: the beach.
Speaker 1: Data has been shaky, tie data. You know, I've been
Speaker 1: running up some data bills. But I could have recorded.
Speaker 1: This was now Jody with and I her one of
Speaker 1: her best friend's moms has a place on the beach,
Speaker 1: and it was it was real nice. T I had
Speaker 1: a good sandwich and some donuts for lunch. Was taking
Speaker 1: a nap and listen to a podcast. Life is good
Speaker 1: down here, Ty, I may never leave. All right.
Speaker 2: Well, welcome aboard, Thank you, Thank you for sacrificing your
Speaker 2: beautiful beach day.
Speaker 1: Hey you come and talk college for But I'm good.
Speaker 2: I'm a little tired today, but you know, I'm hanging
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Speaker 2: you again about college football. If you're yep, just joining
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Speaker 2: talk college football year round. Now, as you can tell
Speaker 2: from the first I don't know handful of minutes there.
Speaker 2: We don't always start out that way, but I promise
Speaker 2: you that tonight that is where we are headed.
Speaker 1: Last week we did Q and a show. This week
Speaker 1: we're doing a show we're calling Spring Forward Dan oh
Speaker 1: my god, the drama. Yeah. What we have is we
Speaker 1: have sort of a list, a litany, I don't know
Speaker 1: whatever the word is. We have an array of topics
Speaker 1: that we want to discuss as it relates to spring
Speaker 1: football and what it may mean, whether it's quarterback battles
Speaker 1: or new code or any possible injuries or transfers or
Speaker 1: people that once we started gazing upon twenty eighteen rosters
Speaker 1: and seeing who's gone, seeing how recruiting classes have gone,
Speaker 1: that like maybe early on there's some skepticism, or maybe
Speaker 1: early on there's like a by low element because of
Speaker 1: what the rest of a certain conference looks like or
Speaker 1: who's incoming whatever. But let's basically we've selected five topics
Speaker 1: each yep. That's sort of spanning from the positive to
Speaker 1: the negative and everything in between. I don't know all
Speaker 1: that much about your topics that you've had the opportunity
Speaker 1: to deep dive, and hopefully you have some curiosities about
Speaker 1: the topics I've chosen to deep dive. So I think
Speaker 1: we're just going to sort of go back and forth
Speaker 1: with these and figure out how not necessarily major but
Speaker 1: in the grand scope of things, interesting curious topics, what
Speaker 1: direction they're going in. So I'm excited for this because
Speaker 1: it's already twenty eighteen, and because of twenty eighteen, we
Speaker 1: have talked about the twenty eighteen season. We cannot continue
Speaker 1: to look back or always just be big picture tie.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's time to put on that information. Snorkel and
Speaker 1: dive in.
Speaker 2: That is absolutely right, and it is. It's supposedly spring
Speaker 2: now here on the East Coast. They keep telling us this,
Speaker 2: although I saw a forecast calling for another one to
Speaker 2: three inches of snow on Saturday, which is going to
Speaker 2: ruin a golf round that I have I'm sorry, previously scheduled. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so they claim that we're in the midst of springtime here,
Speaker 2: and as you know this time of year, once you
Speaker 2: get to April, it is time to start talking about
Speaker 2: spring football. Spring practices are very much a thing, Spring games, scrimmages,
Speaker 2: whatever you want to call them, weird formats, very much
Speaker 2: a thing. And it is this time of year where
Speaker 2: we start looking at twenty eighteen and all right, who
Speaker 2: are the incoming freshmen? What are the big spring storylines
Speaker 2: that we need to pay attention to. We need to
Speaker 2: start doing some research on our end, hopefully to get
Speaker 2: all y'all prepared for what's coming over the coming days
Speaker 2: and weeks, and says we begin the slow march towards
Speaker 2: the twenty eighteen regular college football season.
Speaker 1: That's what we do. I'm getting tierry just hearing you
Speaker 1: say y'all instead of ya'all. That's right? That really does
Speaker 1: you know? People don't believe in evolution? Tie, And this
Speaker 1: is the proof right here that you and I have
Speaker 1: grown all right, So, as you mentioned, what we did
Speaker 1: is we picked out five basic buckets of questions that
Speaker 1: we wanted to ask each other.
Speaker 2: By no means is this intended to be a lecture.
Speaker 2: I think we want to go back and forth and
Speaker 2: talk through some of these topics. So why don't I
Speaker 2: get things started here?
Speaker 1: I would say it's not a lecture tie. It is
Speaker 1: a competition to see who can get closest to being maybe.
Speaker 2: Right, Okay, I'll go with that. That works for me,
Speaker 2: so all right, first question here, a lot of movement
Speaker 2: on the coaching carousel, right m hm. My first question
Speaker 2: to you, is it true or not true that new
Speaker 2: Florida head football coach Dan Mullen is just a quarterback
Speaker 2: away from returning the Gators to prominence.
Speaker 1: Is that a true statement? No, I don't think. I
Speaker 1: don't think that's all that there is. I think that
Speaker 1: is a question. I think, like a good cake, it's
Speaker 1: sort of multi layered. Ty. I would imagine if he
Speaker 1: is able to solve quarterback, a number of things will
Speaker 1: fall into place. Okay, but recruiting quarterbacks of the state
Speaker 1: of Florida is not it's sort of under the radar.
Speaker 1: A difficult thing because high school quarterbacks in Florida have
Speaker 1: a pretty difficult time playing against defense. Is with perhaps
Speaker 1: the highest talent level in the country in terms of
Speaker 1: high school athletes playing on defense, So that is a
Speaker 1: little bit tricky. He is getting credit for being a
Speaker 1: Florida guy, that's right. Oh, he gets how it works.
Speaker 1: Welcome Welcome home, Dan, Right, that's sort of very abstract thing,
Speaker 1: like he just gets it, which doesn't always actual work.
Speaker 1: But I think there is something true to saying if
Speaker 1: he can figure out quarterback, And it did seem like
Speaker 1: Jim mckawayne had things figured out at quarterback a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago when Will Greer, especially after that Old
Speaker 1: Miss game, looked as good as he did. So it
Speaker 1: hasn't been all that long since Florida fans were rightfully
Speaker 1: confident that things were finally figured out at quarterback. That said,
Speaker 1: I think there are questions about recruiting with how well
Speaker 1: Willie Taggart and Mark Richt are going to continue to
Speaker 1: do in Florida that Dan Mullen can't take a back seat.
Speaker 1: And I think his staff has been put together with
Speaker 1: the understanding of you know, obviously both coaching, but people
Speaker 1: that understand recruiting in Florida. So I think that's going
Speaker 1: to continue to be an enormous, enormous challenge. And honestly,
Speaker 1: this is a Florida team he takes over that now
Speaker 1: has the biggest juggernaut perhaps the East has seen since
Speaker 1: the mid two thousand.
Speaker 2: See, that's where I was, That's where I was going
Speaker 2: to go with this.
Speaker 1: So I'm going to I'm going to give the Floria
Speaker 1: to you. Tie, is what slice of the pie to
Speaker 1: you in your deep dive? Is the quarterback question given
Speaker 1: the broader context of his job now, No.
Speaker 2: I think we're very much on the same page on
Speaker 2: this one. The reason I asked the question, by the way,
Speaker 2: is because it's really been a popular talking point ever
Speaker 2: since we heard that Dan Mullen was getting the job. Hell,
Speaker 2: I've gone there without even really thinking about it. Of course,
Speaker 2: Dan Mullen's ability to recruit and develop quarterbacks. Of course,
Speaker 2: if he can do that in Gainesville, it's going to help.
Speaker 2: Florida was one hundred and second in the nation in
Speaker 2: passing offense last year. Anything at quote you or I
Speaker 2: could help at this point, all right. It was absolutely
Speaker 2: the biggest Achilles heel for them last year, and quite honestly,
Speaker 2: maybe with the exception of Will Greer, maybe the last
Speaker 2: eight seasons before last, I have not had any stability
Speaker 2: at quarterbacks since, like t Bow in two thousand and nine.
Speaker 2: So I think at a minimum, Florida is a quarterback
Speaker 2: away from taking a big step forward.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 2: Now, I preface that by saying that your point is
Speaker 2: spot on. It's not the only thing going on at Florida,
Speaker 2: and that is due I think in large part two,
Speaker 2: as you alluded, Georgia is revving up. We've got new
Speaker 2: promise at South Carolina and missou We've got I would argue,
Speaker 2: Georgia is revved Yeah. With the road they're at like
Speaker 2: seven thousand rpm. Yes, who knows what happens at Tennessee.
Speaker 2: If Jeremy Pruitt can give them some stability, and then
Speaker 2: you've got the continued edition of coaching talent. In the West,
Speaker 2: it's just it's like not cut and dry anymore. So
Speaker 2: quarterback's going to help, and certainly if Emery Jones or
Speaker 2: Felipe Franks, I don't know who quarterback is going to be,
Speaker 2: probably Emory Jones. But if that position grouping can work out,
Speaker 2: it's going to elevate the Gators. It just doesn't feel
Speaker 2: like they're one piece away anymore.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Dan Mullen's his offenses, granted, in the West
Speaker 1: and different animals still at this point than the East,
Speaker 1: have been pretty inconsistent, though quarterback has been pretty consistently impressive.
Speaker 1: I know Mississippi State took a step back offensively this
Speaker 1: past year. They finished thirteenth out of fourteen in terms
Speaker 1: of yards per play versus SEC teams. They were sort
Speaker 1: of middle of the pack the year before. But twenty fifteen,
Speaker 1: which would have been what Dack's final year, yep, they
Speaker 1: were fourth in the conference offensively. The year before that
Speaker 1: fourth in the conference. So there is there is a
Speaker 1: track record if he does have that top level quarterback
Speaker 1: with Nick Fitzgerald, you know, at a healthy place. You know,
Speaker 1: has been pretty impressive against good teams. You know, Missippi
Speaker 1: State the closest team to beating Alabama last season during
Speaker 1: the regular season before they actually did lose to Auburn.
Speaker 1: I am confident that Dan Mullen is going to be
Speaker 1: able to develop quarterbacks. To me, the almost I think
Speaker 1: the bigger question is actually going to be recruiting and
Speaker 1: coaching staff fit for Dan Mullen at Florida because it's
Speaker 1: going to be so tricky with Willy Taggart and Mark
Speaker 1: Rick operating at at full speed in the same state
Speaker 1: for the same blue chip kit.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, so I think what we're both saying here
Speaker 2: is that Dan mullin the Florida Gators are a quarterback
Speaker 2: away from taking a giant step forward. Yes, on some level,
Speaker 2: But the question is much different now than it was
Speaker 2: in twenty fifteen. In twenty sixteen, where you might have
Speaker 2: answered differently, there's just too many other moving parts here
Speaker 2: to really feel confident that they're just a quarterback away. Okay,
Speaker 2: so let's go. All right, we answered my new coach
Speaker 2: related question. Yes, what is yours? That you've been mulling
Speaker 2: here in the springtime?
Speaker 1: So I've been trying to think about, and I know
Speaker 1: this is going to come as a shock to everybody,
Speaker 1: but what the actual timeline looks like for chip Kelly
Speaker 1: and UCLA and getting to a place where they don't
Speaker 1: necessarily resemble what they look like at Oregon because the
Speaker 1: and you know he had dentistison when he came to
Speaker 1: to Eugene. But how long it will take for everybody
Speaker 1: that is watching a UCLA game to look at UCLA
Speaker 1: and say, oh, yeah, no, he's got them humming right.
Speaker 1: This is this is what they will This is what
Speaker 1: they should look like, given them being a chip Kelly team.
Speaker 1: So what are your thoughts as for given what their returned,
Speaker 1: given what they sort of recruited to before, which is
Speaker 1: like three different offenses essentially what what to you seems
Speaker 1: like a realistic timeline.
Speaker 2: So Charles Edward, don't call me. Chip Kelly took over
Speaker 2: at UCLA. It was a big deal for obvious reasons.
Speaker 2: Is it going to pain you just a little bit
Speaker 2: to see the UCLA logo on that white visor more
Speaker 2: than a little yeah? Yeah, you can be okay, you
Speaker 2: can be okay, buddy TBD, Well, I'm kind of mixed
Speaker 2: on this. U CLA. Their biggest problem over the last
Speaker 2: couple of years, just in terms of what they're putting
Speaker 2: out there on the field as a product, has really
Speaker 2: been defense. Defense has been a total tire fire.
Speaker 1: They had a nice little run in twenty sixteen when
Speaker 1: they had NFL talent and then just fell off a cliff.
Speaker 2: They fell off a cliff, and they've had injury issues,
Speaker 2: but by a large, defense has really been an issue. Now,
Speaker 2: if you can go out and get Chip Kelly, you
Speaker 2: go out and get Chip Kelly. I'm fine with that move.
Speaker 2: But UCLA fans will feel like things are moving in
Speaker 2: a much more positive direction when they're not giving up
Speaker 2: thirty five points a game.
Speaker 1: Chip Kelly, to me, did not prove on.
Speaker 2: Any level that he could do that on offense, I
Speaker 2: am curious to see how he utilizes the guys that
Speaker 2: are there. I think he's got enough talent at running back.
Speaker 2: He's got guys like Theo Howard who are versatile enough
Speaker 2: that they can run in that system. You know, Howard
Speaker 2: being a wide receiver. But he's got guys that he
Speaker 2: can utilize to run that system. I think it'll be
Speaker 2: fun to watch. I think he gets a little bit
Speaker 2: of a longer leash because he's such a high profile coach,
Speaker 2: probably the most high profile coach that UCLA has had
Speaker 2: in quite some time, as far back as I can remember.
Speaker 2: So they're going to give him plenty of time to
Speaker 2: get this job done until you know, he decides to
Speaker 2: go elsewhere essentially, So I don't know if timeline is
Speaker 2: so much of an issue, but I think it's going
Speaker 2: to take him, I don't know, three years to get
Speaker 2: this thing hum in the way.
Speaker 1: Really Yeah, Okay, so a few things to sort of
Speaker 1: download there. Jerry Asinaro is the defensive coordinator. I love
Speaker 1: Jerry asnarrow what he was able to do with the
Speaker 1: Oregon defense. I fully do not believe UCLA upfront has
Speaker 1: the depth and talent right now especially on the inside,
Speaker 1: because I know Jalen Phillips is great and can be
Speaker 1: a great pass rusher. I don't think UCLA upfront on
Speaker 1: defense and really all that many places on defense. How
Speaker 1: other are pieces. Darnay Holmes promising corner. He was like
Speaker 1: the number one corner of the country a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago. I think there's talent, but more than anything,
Speaker 1: if UCLA is going to be playing with tempo, which
Speaker 1: at times they will be with ship Kelly, I remember
Speaker 1: he doesn't go with blur offense all the time. He
Speaker 1: plays with different speeds. But the big thing for Oregon
Speaker 1: when they really got to a good place was when
Speaker 1: they had depth on defense. They're rotating in a bunch
Speaker 1: of guys and keeping legs fresh as they were scoring
Speaker 1: super quickly, so they were building the depth and they
Speaker 1: were staying fresh on defense, and I think they will
Speaker 1: do a lot of that. At quarterback. There's an incoming
Speaker 1: true freshman that is promising, but I don't think he's
Speaker 1: on campus yet. Dor and Thompson Robinson same high school
Speaker 1: as Tate Martel, of course, who has committed tex A
Speaker 1: and m is now at Ohio State, so he's not
Speaker 1: there yet. And they thought they were getting a grad
Speaker 1: transfer kJ cart of Samuels from Washington, Jake Browning's back up.
Speaker 1: But you know, everybody, he committed to UCLA and everybody
Speaker 1: assumed he was going there and then decommitted and is
Speaker 1: going to Colorado State, which maybe, you know, an enrollment
Speaker 1: academic thing. I don't know why if you have the
Speaker 1: opportunity to start for Ship Kelly at UCLA, you'd end
Speaker 1: up in Colorado State. But I don't have the full story,
Speaker 1: and I won't pretend like I do. And so that
Speaker 1: leaves Devin Modster basically, who had a good first half
Speaker 1: of a bowl game. That's really the thing we're most
Speaker 1: encouraged by against Kansas State before UCLA just collapsed against
Speaker 1: the Wildcats. So Devin monster built, if you were to
Speaker 1: compare them to any of the Oregon quarterbacks, more like
Speaker 1: a Masoli type, maybe like six foot six y one,
Speaker 1: but built solidly to ten two fifteen. But they've been
Speaker 1: recruiting to a much more pro style system. They went
Speaker 1: to Kennedy Palamalu and then and then this past year
Speaker 1: Jedfish to run the offense for Josh Rosen strengths. So
Speaker 1: I think it's going to take some time. I like
Speaker 1: the staff Chip Kelly has put together. I think there
Speaker 1: are going to be moments. I think UCLA should be
Speaker 1: able to beat a team or two that looks questionable
Speaker 1: on paper this year, especially with how in Influx the
Speaker 1: South looks. But I think to expect anything significant in
Speaker 1: year one, even with some interesting pieces, I think is
Speaker 1: a stretch. So I think by the second half of
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen is when it's realistic to look at UCLA
Speaker 1: and say, this is what we expect from a chip
Speaker 1: Kelly identity team. I think that's the answer, because they're
Speaker 1: going to recruit well. They need to get the big
Speaker 1: bodies up front on defense, especially to rotate in and out.
Speaker 1: But I think they're going to get to a point
Speaker 1: by the middle of next season where you're going to
Speaker 1: be able to recognize this bruin team as a chip
Speaker 1: Kelly team. I think the other component here, at least
Speaker 1: in the short term, is how Influx the back twelve
Speaker 1: South is. Sure.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, you know, Chip Kelly runs a scheme that can
Speaker 2: definitely catch you off guard, even if he doesn't have
Speaker 2: all the pieces in place the way he might like.
Speaker 2: So there's definitely a chance to your point that he
Speaker 2: can knock off a couple teams that you wouldn't think
Speaker 2: UCLA is equipped to beat.
Speaker 1: And he's calling plays I assume because he doesn't really
Speaker 1: have a true offensive coordinator. He's got a quarterbacks coach.
Speaker 1: So there's the confidence that you are getting exactly what
Speaker 1: you signed up for. You know, he's not passing off anything,
Speaker 1: at least in the short term, So you're getting the
Speaker 1: best of Chip Kelly. You're getting his eyes on a
Speaker 1: play to play basis. All right, very good.
Speaker 2: So you're saying about midway through year two, I'm saying
Speaker 2: around the same period of time.
Speaker 1: But year three, yeah, I would say ordinarily that I
Speaker 1: think you'd be right. But I think they're going to
Speaker 1: be able to attract enough people it'll be a better
Speaker 1: version recruiting wise, in what he was able to attract
Speaker 1: at Oregon because of the location, because of the school,
Speaker 1: and because of just his reputation at this point.
Speaker 2: All right, moving on, let's go to quarterback battles. Yes,
Speaker 2: Daniel her very quietly, and I know you've looked at this,
Speaker 2: I said her, and I'm not sure why, but continue
Speaker 2: the real story of this coming preseason I think is
Speaker 2: the number of high profile quarterback battles that we got out.
Speaker 2: There's a lot hurts against two A tongue of Ilawa
Speaker 2: is clearly the big one in the country that will
Speaker 2: take place down at Alabama, But in truth, there are
Speaker 2: like fifteen others around college football. I just want to
Speaker 2: put it right here. I personally love each and every.
Speaker 1: One of them. Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: I love quarterback battles. I might love to see when
Speaker 2: at Notre Dame. We're gonna talk about that maybe a
Speaker 2: little bit more wow. But the ones that I like
Speaker 2: the most are the ones that when you say, hey, ty,
Speaker 2: who do you think is going to be quarterback at school? X?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: The ones that I like the most are when my
Speaker 2: honest response is that I don't.
Speaker 1: Know anything about the contenders.
Speaker 2: Sure like, I'm not supposed to say that because we
Speaker 2: host this show and it's a big thing and all that,
Speaker 2: but I know overballers have my back on this one.
Speaker 2: Not always do you know who all the contenders are?
Speaker 2: And so with that is the backdrop Dan who will
Speaker 2: be the starting quarter back for LSU in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean it depends what they want this offense
Speaker 1: to look like. Miles Brennan obviously got a number of
Speaker 1: reps last year, coming in at times for Danny Etling,
Speaker 1: who again, I think there are stickers to this effect,
Speaker 1: like Danny Etling is a pretty good quarterback with something
Speaker 1: like that, I forget the exact verbiage, but Miles Brennan
Speaker 1: was a high profile kid and a high profile commit
Speaker 1: coming into LSU, so he got the time last year
Speaker 1: and giving the experience. I guess really on both sides
Speaker 1: of the ball. You know, I know they lost a
Speaker 1: couple of big pieces on offense, but I mean that's
Speaker 1: highlighted obviously by Darius Guice. But given what's back, especially
Speaker 1: on defense, I am I am curious the effect that possibly,
Speaker 1: in big capital letters, solid quarterback play at LSU continued
Speaker 1: solid quarterback play, if not good quarterback play at LSU,
Speaker 1: will have on this team. So my gues would Miles Brennan.
Speaker 1: But I can't tell you. I know this up the chart, okay,
Speaker 1: And that's fair. That's why we're bringing this up. That's
Speaker 1: why I brought it up because I was in a
Speaker 1: similar position. Miles Brennan needs a sophomore, former four star,
Speaker 1: highly recruited pro style kid. You've also got Justin McMillan,
Speaker 1: a red shirt junior, a three star kid, and then
Speaker 1: my favorite name of the bunch, Loel Narcis. He is
Speaker 1: a red shirt freshman and formerly a four star more
Speaker 1: of a dual threat kid, decommitted from Auburn to come
Speaker 1: to LSU. There is not much experience here. Miles Brennan
Speaker 1: is the most experienced, but collectively between these three guys,
Speaker 1: he only threw something like twenty five passes in twenty seventeen,
Speaker 1: so we're talking really truly full reboot at quarterback. We've
Speaker 1: also got turnover at offensive coordinator. With Matt Canada leaving,
Speaker 1: ed Orgeron has promoted from within. The new coordinator is
Speaker 1: a gentleman by the name of Steve Enspinger. Yeah old
Speaker 1: new guy, new old guy. Yeah, he's been around. He's
Speaker 1: been around for a while.
Speaker 2: If that name doesn't sound familiar, that's okay. What you
Speaker 2: need to know is that he was the interromoc back
Speaker 2: in twenty sixteen. I guess when Oderan took over for
Speaker 2: like the final eight games of the.
Speaker 1: Year and had a really nice run. He did.
Speaker 2: They won six of those eight games, didn't do all
Speaker 2: that well offensively against teams like Alabama, in Florida. But
Speaker 2: it was certainly a big step up from what we
Speaker 2: saw under Cam Cameron for sure.
Speaker 1: So there's that.
Speaker 2: I think the two names you're gonna hear the most
Speaker 2: about our Miles Brennan and my boy Lowell Narcis.
Speaker 1: Okay, who would you give the Edge two? Because these
Speaker 1: are two guys. I mean, Brendan obviously has the playing time,
Speaker 1: Edge Narcis has the name Edge a name, and that
Speaker 1: it's more fun to say so to you because I
Speaker 1: from what I can remember, it's a more not necessarily
Speaker 1: pro style, but more traditional. It's just take a lot
Speaker 1: of chances and yeah, it's whereas where Matt Canada had
Speaker 1: employed a lot of shiftin was certainly multiple. I don't
Speaker 1: think he was a spread guy necessarily, but definitely multiple
Speaker 1: and more creative than what LSU had shown in years
Speaker 1: past with relying on a lot of fly action and
Speaker 1: that kind of stete. That's right, That's right. So Ensminger
Speaker 1: is more of a throwback.
Speaker 2: He is. He is absolutely more pro style than Matt Canada.
Speaker 2: If Matt Canada is a hybrid between pro style and spread,
Speaker 2: which I think is mostly accurate, An Sminger is much
Speaker 2: much more on the pro style side of that equation.
Speaker 2: If you look back to what he ran in twenty
Speaker 2: sixteen when he was the intermoc, it was much more
Speaker 2: pro style oriented, and I think just because of that,
Speaker 2: Miles Brannan is probably the guy. He's a better fit
Speaker 2: for his system like that, he's the best passer on
Speaker 2: the roster, and he has a little bit more experienced
Speaker 2: than the others. An Spinger hinted as much. He did
Speaker 2: a radio hit back in February and he said that
Speaker 2: Miles Brennan essentially would get like the first snap of
Speaker 2: spring practice.
Speaker 1: Which seems reasonable.
Speaker 2: It absolutely I think the smart money is on him.
Speaker 2: What I do want to throw out here though, just
Speaker 2: as an important side note, there will be calls for
Speaker 2: Lowell Narcis. He's got the way cooler name. He's a
Speaker 2: dual threat guy. He's a lefty, basically a bigger, more
Speaker 2: southern version of Maligue Zaire. And you know how I
Speaker 2: felt about Moliku Zaire when he was recruited out of Ohio,
Speaker 2: very excited, you know. So he's got a skill set
Speaker 2: there that Enspinger can utilize maybe in special sets. I
Speaker 2: hope for their sake, they don't try running the two
Speaker 2: quarterback system. I don't think that will go over well
Speaker 2: with LSU fans, given where they've been a that would
Speaker 2: not be a good idea. But I think you'll see
Speaker 2: a little bit of narsis. But Brenton's probably going to
Speaker 2: be the guy.
Speaker 1: So LSU goes nine to four last year, and there
Speaker 1: is something a little bit disconcerting about one year of
Speaker 1: an offensive coordinator, you know, whatever the fault was in
Speaker 1: the Matt Canada ed oors or on bigger pay relationship.
Speaker 1: Do you have and I say this knowing this is
Speaker 1: from Afar, do you have concerns about the idea of
Speaker 1: ed Orzron you know, as a sort of a look
Speaker 1: back on what went wrong for ed Orzron and saying, well,
Speaker 1: he had four offensive coordinators in four years and it's
Speaker 1: hard to win. You know, do you think that that
Speaker 1: is a possibility that he is not going to be
Speaker 1: able to find the guide to get LSU to where
Speaker 1: they should be considering their year in and year out
Speaker 1: talent level? No, one hundred percent? Then well could that
Speaker 1: that could be a part of a eulogy? Oh one
Speaker 1: hundred percent? And about worries?
Speaker 2: I don't I think that could be a convenient excuse
Speaker 2: if it doesn't work out for Ed Orsron. But on
Speaker 2: some level, if LSU, with all of their recruiting advantages,
Speaker 2: can't get back to where we both think LSU should be,
Speaker 2: h it probably speaks more to ed Orgeron than it
Speaker 2: does any coordinator.
Speaker 1: Don't you think, oh yeah, and that you know that's
Speaker 1: true of wil must Champ at Florida, yeah twice and
Speaker 1: ker Roper and whatever. And then you look at you know,
Speaker 1: Jimora and that he's owning the news cycle as an
Speaker 1: unemployed coach. And a lot of the reason why there
Speaker 1: were issues at UCLA was bad coordinator hires. It was
Speaker 1: Noel ma Zone who then took off, and then it
Speaker 1: was Kennedy Palamala who we mentioned, and Jedfish and that's
Speaker 1: tough for anybody to succeed with. And I'm talking anybody
Speaker 1: like the players on the team on the offense, just
Speaker 1: because the verbiage, which if you've listened to the Chris
Speaker 1: Brown episode, you know that's an incredibly difficult thing. And
Speaker 1: so this hopefully works out for LSU, but if it doesn't,
Speaker 1: it almost cements at or Juron's time at LSU.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, all right, where are you going on the quarterback front? Dan,
Speaker 2: what's your question entering spring?
Speaker 1: So we'll stay somewhat regional. I'm I'm super curious, and
Speaker 1: this is going to be a shocker again for everybody's
Speaker 1: shocked at Chip Kelly. What Florida State is going to
Speaker 1: look like a quarterback because there are two understandably decent
Speaker 1: cases for you know, James Blackman and DeAndre francecoisre and
Speaker 1: so I'm I'm curious because having seen Willy Taggart's offense
Speaker 1: last year, it appears and watching him at USF obviously
Speaker 1: it appears he likes running the quarterback. It appears he
Speaker 1: likes going with tempo, he likes having a workhorse running back,
Speaker 1: and he has that in cam Akers at Florida State.
Speaker 1: I am I think leaning towards James Blackman a little
Speaker 1: bit because of it, I am. And I don't think
Speaker 1: it's because he necessarily has a higher well, no, I
Speaker 1: think he does have a higher physical ceiling. I'm worried
Speaker 1: about DeAndre Francois and his sort of low percentage throwing
Speaker 1: downfield because that's what Willy Taggart likes to do, and
Speaker 1: the combination of Jimbo Fisher being a much more complicated
Speaker 1: offensive tactician than I think Willie Taggart will be. I
Speaker 1: think that's ideal for James Blackman's skill set, and I
Speaker 1: think his size gives him a leg up on DeAndre Francois,
Speaker 1: who's probably five to eleven six foot, So I think
Speaker 1: durability wise, arm wise, and just what he will be
Speaker 1: asked to do in a much simpler system. I think
Speaker 1: I'm actually leaning James Blackman moving forward, especially given the youth.
Speaker 2: So what I'm hearing is that stylistically, you think James Blackman,
Speaker 2: in his skill set, yes, is better equipped for a
Speaker 2: Willie Taggart system.
Speaker 1: This is correct, Man.
Speaker 2: I don't know, gosh, it just didn't feel like James
Speaker 2: Blackman knew what he was doing out there.
Speaker 1: And I don't think he did. There were plenty of.
Speaker 2: Games where you watched him and you didn't know if
Speaker 2: you knew where to throw the ball. It seemed like
Speaker 2: everything was a panic throw, and it just did not
Speaker 2: feel like from the start of the season to end
Speaker 2: of the season that he got a whole lot better.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you something, Ty, if you watch college
Speaker 1: Jeopardy and you do super well, is it as impressive
Speaker 1: necessarily as winning regular Jeopardy. Not necessarily, No, but do
Speaker 1: you still win money and win an episode of Jeopardy.
Speaker 1: I have no idea where you're going with this, but yes,
Speaker 1: the answer is yes. I'm saying basically, mastering Jimbo Fisher's
Speaker 1: offense is probably more impressive than mastering Willie Taggart's as
Speaker 1: a quarterback. But if the end result is the same,
Speaker 1: and that's winning ACC games much more often than not,
Speaker 1: who really cares? Ty? Who really cares? And I think
Speaker 1: James Blackman might just be a college Jeopardy guy right now,
Speaker 1: and that's fine, that's wonderful. I think he can thrive
Speaker 1: in this offense, Okay, especially with perhaps the most talented
Speaker 1: running back talented, not the most prolific, but the most
Speaker 1: talented running back in the ACC next to him.
Speaker 2: I like DeAndre Francois more. Okay, I was not impressed
Speaker 2: at all with James Blackman in what I saw of him.
Speaker 2: You mentioned that he's big than DeAndre Francois, and that
Speaker 2: might be true, but he was like six' five one
Speaker 2: seventy a year.
Speaker 1: Ago it's.
Speaker 2: TRUE i mean there's a lot of exposed torso there
Speaker 2: that can be taken.
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Speaker 1: like looking really, CUTTING i did really eight pounds of. Muscle,
Speaker 1: yeah what are you talking? About you hear it a
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Speaker 2: quarterback battle related. Questions we've got a couple other ones.
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Speaker 2: by low mean to? You in Early april we talk
Speaker 2: about by low. Candidates are you talking about, things, entities
Speaker 2: systems that you are interested in investing in now because
Speaker 2: you think they will bear fruit Come? November or is
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Speaker 2: going to hear a lot more of come Early.
Speaker 1: June it could be any of those. Things it could to,
Speaker 1: me it basically means who could we potentially be sleeping
Speaker 1: on as a team or, position group or side of
Speaker 1: the ball that could see significant improvement in twenty, eighteen
Speaker 1: both because of personnel and experience and recruiting or just
Speaker 1: the context of a schedule or what other teams look
Speaker 1: like that are in their division or in their. Conference
Speaker 1: so it's somebody, that LIKE i probably am looking at
Speaker 1: contenders or really impressive. Teams i'm probably sleeping on at
Speaker 1: the moment just because they haven't been there. Recently so
Speaker 1: who do you, have, ty who is your? CANDIDATE i
Speaker 1: would say to make a, leap an unexpected leap for
Speaker 1: whoever they, play for whoever they. Coach team is hit.
Speaker 2: Me we Mentioned Matt canada AT. Lsu it didn't work
Speaker 2: out AT, lsu But Matt canada is now At. Maryland,
Speaker 2: yeah as the offensive COORDINATOR Dj, durkin who we've had
Speaker 2: on the. Program he Had Walt, bell young like thirty
Speaker 2: three year old offensive. Coordinator he Left maryland to Run
Speaker 2: Willie taggart's offense down there At Florida.
Speaker 1: State.
Speaker 2: Correct So Dj durkin acted. Quickly he did what he's
Speaker 2: done all along since he got the college park and
Speaker 2: he went. Out he got a coach In Matt canada
Speaker 2: as an assistant who has a ton of. Experience the
Speaker 2: guys on that staff had a ton of experience, indeed
Speaker 2: And Mat canada now he's been at seven schools in
Speaker 2: the last nine. Years it's been a weird trip for.
Speaker 2: Him everyone was so excited for him to go To.
Speaker 2: Las you didn't quite work. Out but nobody will ever
Speaker 2: Fault Matt canada for not having varied experience across the.
Speaker 2: Country and now for him to come in to That
Speaker 2: maryland team WITH i think an interesting personnel group provided
Speaker 2: they can stay. Healthy oh my, god TY i am
Speaker 2: secretly very excited about what he can do BECAUSE i
Speaker 2: think it's a really good. Fit, OKAY i think it's
Speaker 2: a good fit because what's his, Stick Matt?
Speaker 1: Canada the fly sweep, action the motion, Right, yeah a
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of, motions a lot of trying
Speaker 1: to stretch linebackers to open things.
Speaker 2: Up maybe it's that the motions creating emotion for.
Speaker 1: ME i don't.
Speaker 2: Know but got a lot of guys moving around pre,
Speaker 2: snap tries to create. Confusion he loves the jet sweep
Speaker 2: to fall that, stuff, right trying to stretch your defense
Speaker 2: outside to side to create opportunities down the. Field WHAT
Speaker 2: i like about the Setup Dan Borton Schlager definitely Not,
Speaker 2: bortschlager definitely not. That. Okay the offense has a bunch
Speaker 2: of guys with good speed who can make you. Miss
Speaker 2: true Ty, Johnson anthony, McFarlane Dj. Turner Matt canada is
Speaker 2: gonna be in a position where he can try out
Speaker 2: some different stuff this year because of these. Guys the
Speaker 2: caveat is Health. Maryland everybody got hurt From maryland last.
Speaker 2: Year they, did and we're not fully going to know
Speaker 2: the health Of, Tyrrell Pigram Cassim hill at quarterback till
Speaker 2: like later in the. Year they're not going to do
Speaker 2: anything the. Spring both of them tore acls last. Year
Speaker 2: the offensive line might be healthier later in the. Year
Speaker 2: if this all comes, together it's going to happen late.
Speaker 2: Summer it's gonna happen all at, once assuming good. Health
Speaker 2: it seems Like Matt canada could build a, sneaky dangerous
Speaker 2: ground attack here At maryland with a lot of guys
Speaker 2: that have interesting skill.
Speaker 1: Sets So maryland is on a winning streak Against texas
Speaker 1: and they opened up the season with. THEM i believe
Speaker 1: it's at home In College. Park the good news about their,
Speaker 1: Schedule AND i think there's some merit to what you're,
Speaker 1: saying Because Penn state's defense should be a step, worse,
Speaker 1: yes sure than where they Were Ohio. STATE i mean
Speaker 1: they closed the season With Ohio state And Penn. State
Speaker 1: But Ohio state has had this other worldly pass rush
Speaker 1: that probably won't be quite the, same but they've recruited
Speaker 1: at such a crazy high level that maybe it'll be
Speaker 1: that way by the end of the. Season but big,
Speaker 1: picture we're not going to do any sort of deep
Speaker 1: dive Into maryland. Schedule they do not have until That
Speaker 1: Ohio State Penn state at the end of the season
Speaker 1: two real tough games in a row at any, point
Speaker 1: so hopefully things don't get. Compounded hopefully they have bounced
Speaker 1: back opportunities if things go, wrong if there are, injuries
Speaker 1: hopefully their minor if they, Exist maryland should be in
Speaker 1: an okay place with a promising offensive. COORDINATOR i think
Speaker 1: that's a good pick.
Speaker 2: TIME i THINK i think that will be a tremendously
Speaker 2: fascinating story to.
Speaker 1: Watch, yeah that's sort of under the.
Speaker 2: RADAR i would imagine bull Threat maryland definitely definitely all,
Speaker 2: right where are you going by Low.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go With, texas not, Necessarily, Yeah i'm jumping
Speaker 1: on the tile to Rent texas.
Speaker 2: Horse are you saying That texas is Still texas or
Speaker 2: will return to Being texas Under Tom, HERMAN.
Speaker 1: I am saying the. Following i'm, saying in terms of
Speaker 1: things they can't, Control texas is in a pretty good.
Speaker 1: Spot in terms of things they have been able to control,
Speaker 1: personnel namely young. Personnel, recruiting they've controlled it very. Well
Speaker 1: they were able to hold on to perhaps their most important,
Speaker 1: recruit and that is Keeping Todd. Orlando they give him
Speaker 1: a sizeable. Bonus and we saw the second half of
Speaker 1: you know what that defense looked. Like it was something
Speaker 1: called it was light it was a lightning. DEFENSE i
Speaker 1: forget it was lightning dime whatever it. Was they like
Speaker 1: kept five or six DB's on the field the whole,
Speaker 1: time and Ordinarily i'd be pretty. Worried No Holton, hill
Speaker 1: No Deshaun, elliott No Puna ford up. Front we loved
Speaker 1: what do we call, him the mini, Fridge jini. Fridge,
Speaker 1: yeah but they recruited well. Enough and Brecken hager's still.
Speaker 1: There Gary, johnson whose name sounds like he's a state?
Speaker 1: Comtroller do states have? Controllers is it a county? Thing they?
Speaker 2: Could Gary johnson ran for, president.
Speaker 1: That's, True that's why the name is so. Familiar, yeah
Speaker 1: but there's a ton of talent and that's the position
Speaker 1: of the. Position group of strength last year in the
Speaker 1: recruiting class was DEFENSIVE, bac namely. Safety so they bring
Speaker 1: in a ton of talent. There Herb hand comes in
Speaker 1: to coach the offensive. LINE i know they got the
Speaker 1: grad transfer the big offensive. Lineman even with Losing Connor.
Speaker 1: Williams i'm worried about the offensive. Line they have crazy
Speaker 1: talent talent or maybe crazy talent Options at, Quarterback i'm
Speaker 1: still worried about quarterback Four, texas but they add in
Speaker 1: two blue chip quarters that are early. Enrollees SO i
Speaker 1: don't think they're going to stick with any one guy
Speaker 1: if it's not working out In. September because that's what
Speaker 1: we've seen from This Tim beck And Tom herman. Offense
Speaker 1: the thing that they can't control that is. Advantageous look
Speaker 1: at the big twelve quarterback situation outside Of, texas it's not.
Speaker 1: Wonderful Mason Rudolph Oklahoma state. Gone Baker, mayfield generational quarterback
Speaker 1: for The sooners. Gone where's he? Gone? Yeah Kyler murray
Speaker 1: will probably be fun and, exciting but we don't. Know
Speaker 1: we don't, know and he had some off field issues At.
Speaker 1: TEXAS a and m are really on field issues with
Speaker 1: dealing with coaches and discipline At TEXAS a AND m
Speaker 1: that we hope doesn't rear its ugly head again In.
Speaker 1: Norman but that's An oklahoma team that defensively they can
Speaker 1: be had a little bit, ty and they lost big
Speaker 1: pieces on that side of the. Ball, Okay, Taylor i'm
Speaker 1: not going to be super excited ABOUT tcu is going
Speaker 1: to have a new quarterback situation WITH Qb frogs whatever he's.
Speaker 1: Gone Sean ROBINSON i, like but it's a, question and
Speaker 1: it's a real.
Speaker 2: Question my question About, texas, though, yes is they have
Speaker 2: some turnover on.
Speaker 1: Defense.
Speaker 2: Correct how Will Todd orlando deal with? That you, Know
Speaker 2: Malik jefferson leaving for THE nfl. Enormous they need some
Speaker 2: leadership on that, defense which sometimes takes a few weeks to.
Speaker 2: Materialize it does, help, though to your point that quarterback
Speaker 2: as a whole in The big twelve is very much
Speaker 2: a position of.
Speaker 1: NEED i think they should be able to Eat. MARYLAND
Speaker 1: i think they should be able to start a new
Speaker 1: winning streak Against maryland and because of this. Defense what
Speaker 1: strange to me About, texas which is Why i'm not
Speaker 1: fully on. Board But i'm buying low in terms of.
Speaker 1: Improvement they go seven and six last year thanks to
Speaker 1: a bowl. WIN i think it was Against missouri and
Speaker 1: The Texas. Bowl the thing THAT i like About texas
Speaker 1: is that. Defense the thing and quarterback depth frankly at this,
Speaker 1: point but the thing that confuses. Me they don't have arunning. Back,
Speaker 1: no they. DON'T i don't know how The Texas longhorns,
Speaker 1: ever don't have three dudes who you're, like who's gonna
Speaker 1: get the? Ball there's so much talent since don to
Speaker 1: forman a couple of years, ago it just seems like
Speaker 1: the running back depth. CHART i know there's there's promising
Speaker 1: guys on certain, levels but they should it should look
Speaker 1: like you know what LSU's running back depth chart has looked.
Speaker 1: Like it should look like What alabama's has looked. Like
Speaker 1: there's just too much talent there for there ever to
Speaker 1: be a question of Does texas have a guy that
Speaker 1: seems so weird to? Me so that'll be interesting to
Speaker 1: me and see what Herb hand's influence is as he's
Speaker 1: his running games have been very good everywhere he's. GONE
Speaker 1: i know people haven't liked his past protection at. Times
Speaker 1: Pence state Nit neylon, fans But I'm i'm so curious
Speaker 1: to see why this is not happening and if anybody
Speaker 1: actually steps up and if they're able to find that. Person,
Speaker 1: Yeah texas could win eight or nine, games, Absolutely.
Speaker 2: SO i am sensing AND i am tipped off a
Speaker 2: little bit to this Because i've got it in front of.
Speaker 2: Me But i'm, sensing based on what you said regarding
Speaker 2: The Big twelve and Specifically, oklahoma that while you're buying
Speaker 2: low On, texas you have sufficient reason to sell high On.
Speaker 2: Oklahoma and it's in front of. Me SO i know
Speaker 2: that's a, Selection but why are you why are you
Speaker 2: inclined to sell high On oklahoma?
Speaker 1: Now So i'll be clear about, THIS i am holding
Speaker 1: on to all of My Lincoln riley, Stock, OKAY i
Speaker 1: am selling high On oklahoma right now BECAUSE i don't
Speaker 1: know if people fully appreciate how Great Baker mayfield. Was
Speaker 1: i'm Sure oklahoma fans, do but within the context of
Speaker 1: This oklahoma program FROM, afar he was. Incredible And oklahoma's
Speaker 1: had incredible guys in the, past And Jason white And Sam,
Speaker 1: bradford but there was something About Baker mayfield that he
Speaker 1: was he over he basically single handedly overcame so. Much you,
Speaker 1: know you lose Ded, westbrook no, problem you lose you,
Speaker 1: know the two great running backs that they had In
Speaker 1: joe Mixon'smaj PRO, i no. Problem Ronnie anderson steps. Up
Speaker 1: But Baker mayfield running that offense was such a high
Speaker 1: degree of football beauty that even If Kyler murray is pretty,
Speaker 1: good there are so many questions about this defense who,
Speaker 1: Lost like the actual two good. Pieces the pass rushers
Speaker 1: that they had were so leaky and it didn't really
Speaker 1: matter until like the final eighteen seconds of The georgia,
Speaker 1: game THAT i think without that talent on, offense and
Speaker 1: the fact That Lincoln riley is still coaching a staff
Speaker 1: that he didn't really, hire it's it's still sort of
Speaker 1: a holdover, situation so it's not really his full, vision it.
Speaker 1: Seems once he gets to that, POINT i Think i'm
Speaker 1: going to be all. In this is just selling high
Speaker 1: On oklahoma as a playoff contenency because that's where they've.
Speaker 1: Been SO i See oklahoma as a top twenty team right.
Speaker 1: Now but if they finish the, season you, know seventeen,
Speaker 1: eighteen nineteen in the in the in any of the,
Speaker 1: rankings then that will seem about right considering what they've
Speaker 1: had to turn.
Speaker 2: OVER i think we're actually of one mind on this.
Speaker 2: ISSUE i didn't Go, oklahoma but my reasoning is very very.
Speaker 2: Similar as you, know there are a lot of reasons
Speaker 2: you can sell high on, something and not all of
Speaker 2: them are because you think something's going to instantly, tank,
Speaker 2: Right especially on this, show we don't always like to
Speaker 2: highlight the. Negative we try to look at things. Positively,
Speaker 2: yeah And i'm not going to root for. Anything there's
Speaker 2: a ton positive About. Oklahoma oh, Yeah, yeah, Absolutely i'm
Speaker 2: just not going to root for anything to instantly. Tank
Speaker 2: the other reason that you can sell high IS i
Speaker 2: think for the reason that you're Going oklahoma. Here sometimes
Speaker 2: you just want to cash in your chips when you've
Speaker 2: got a. Profit, sure, yeah been on a. Heater that's
Speaker 2: sort of HOW i feel WITH ucf right.
Speaker 1: Now in their.
Speaker 2: Offense, sure their offense led the nation last year forty
Speaker 2: eight points per, game which is, incredible second only Two
Speaker 2: oklahoma in yards per.
Speaker 1: Play the numbers were ridiculous off the.
Speaker 2: Charts now they brought in another offensive minded guy In
Speaker 2: Josh Houppel Hoypool oklahoma connection by the, Way, yeah to
Speaker 2: run the program Because Scott frost went up To. Nebraska my,
Speaker 2: question and the one THAT i think ultimately led me
Speaker 2: in this, direction is how much better can they really
Speaker 2: get an? Offense, Sure i'm not selling BECAUSE i think
Speaker 2: it all goes off the, cliff But Mackenzie milton thirty
Speaker 2: seven touchdowns over four thousand. Yards the offensive line has
Speaker 2: a lot coming, back plenty of talent at running. Back
Speaker 2: defense maybe an, issue but we're not talking about defense.
Speaker 2: Here there's a lot of firepower on, offense And i'm
Speaker 2: sure they'll be very. Good i'm just not nearly as
Speaker 2: fired up About hoypol as i Am Scott. Frost maybe
Speaker 2: it's a me. THING i don't, know But i'm just
Speaker 2: wondering how much better it could possibly.
Speaker 1: Get it stopped me when you get to WHEN i
Speaker 1: get to a defense that is ON ucf. Schedule AND
Speaker 1: i don't disagree with what you're, saying BUT i think
Speaker 1: it might be hard to discern because they bring back
Speaker 1: such a good quarterback and you, know a roster of
Speaker 1: players that have succeeded on such a high level in
Speaker 1: terms of. Production Yukon South Carolina, State North CAROLINA, fau
Speaker 1: WHICH i mean THAT i cannot wait for that. Game,
Speaker 1: yeah That's september twenty First, PITT, Smu, MEMPHIS, Ecu, Temple, Navy,
Speaker 1: cincinnati MAYBE. Usf. NO i like USF's, defense but there's
Speaker 1: nobody that jumps out immediately as, Like, okay that's gonna
Speaker 1: be a big. Test. Yeah, no you're coming off a
Speaker 1: win Against auburn against moving the ball Against. Auburn granted
Speaker 1: a bowl, game but same. Players this wasn't An AUBURN
Speaker 1: b TEAM i. LIKE i like THE ucf.
Speaker 2: Team this, offense led By Mackenzie milton in the passing
Speaker 2: game was that something like ten point two yards per?
Speaker 2: Attempt to very much a big play, team all. RIGHT
Speaker 2: i just don't know how much better they can? Do,
Speaker 2: sure and SO i am. Inclined IF i am an
Speaker 2: investor here to take my profits and, RUN i will
Speaker 2: root FOR youcf to win a second consecutive national. Championship mind,
Speaker 2: you will you make me a?
Speaker 1: Promise depends on the, Promise but all season, long will
Speaker 1: you call their Coach josh hoitpol instead Of, hypel Which
Speaker 1: i'm pretty sure It's Hypel Josh.
Speaker 2: HOIL i could do that for. You, Yeah i'm an
Speaker 2: enormous fan thank, You and that brings us to our final.
Speaker 2: Question then we've got a wild card question in. Here
Speaker 2: we both reached into the, hat both reached deep into
Speaker 2: the dark corners of our minds to find a wild
Speaker 2: card question that didn't really fit into any of these.
Speaker 2: Categories correct or maybe in my case it sort of.
Speaker 2: Did what's your wild card? Question now as we enter, Spring.
Speaker 1: So we've reached the, point AND i think pretty. Fairly
Speaker 1: and as we've seen coaches evolve throughout the, years knowing
Speaker 1: that they don't have all that much, time they could be.
Speaker 1: Fired you know two years after reaching a national championship
Speaker 1: game that there is more and more pressure to get
Speaker 1: the best players on the, field regardless of, age regardless of. Experience,
Speaker 1: okay and we've seen situations really work. Out you, Know
Speaker 1: Deshaun watson coming in Against georgia and Replacing Cole stout
Speaker 1: as a true freshman in his very first. Game you,
Speaker 1: Know Cole stout had the you, know got a couple more,
Speaker 1: games But Deshaun watson eventually took the reins and held
Speaker 1: on to that job as long as he wanted it
Speaker 1: and to attack of aaloa in The National championship, game
Speaker 1: coming in in the second half and. Starting What i'm curious,
Speaker 1: about and this Includes, alabama but not fully because we
Speaker 1: know What tua is. Is we have two high profile,
Speaker 1: schools the two best incoming freshmen are being tied to
Speaker 1: stories like could he win this? Battle as true early
Speaker 1: and roly true. Freshmen i'm talking About Justin fields At.
Speaker 1: GEORGIA i know that sounds, preposterous And i'm with, you
Speaker 1: it does sound. Preposterous And Trevor lawrence At clemson With Kelly,
Speaker 1: bryant who let us, Remember Kelly bryant led his team
Speaker 1: to The College Football playoff and won THE acc in
Speaker 1: his first year starting at, quarterback which is pretty damn.
Speaker 1: Good he was awful Against, alabama but the totality of
Speaker 1: his work WAS i would, say very. IMPRESSIVE i am
Speaker 1: curious to what extent in every case is going to be,
Speaker 1: different but to what extent these high profile and as
Speaker 1: quarterbacks come into college football more and more prepared because
Speaker 1: it's now a year round sport playing quarterback and just
Speaker 1: look more and more polished earlier, On are we actually
Speaker 1: going to have a quarterback battle at these? Places because
Speaker 1: the ceiling of these freshmen and these, again our freshmen
Speaker 1: that we know nothing about in terms of readiness for
Speaker 1: high level college. Football Like jake fromm was, Awesome he
Speaker 1: was flat out. Awesome Could Justin fields be better than
Speaker 1: flat out? Awesome maybe? Eventually? Sure who. Knows people seem
Speaker 1: to think he has the talent. Too Could Trevor lawrence
Speaker 1: be better than a playoff getting two? Quarterback? Yeah? Maybe? Probably,
Speaker 1: yeah but that's already a question in the. Spring as
Speaker 1: you look around college, football these, top, top top level
Speaker 1: guys coming in because of success recent success of true
Speaker 1: freshmen Like tutangueavaloa And Deshaun watson a couple of years
Speaker 1: ago at At. Clemson should we take these battles? Seriously
Speaker 1: as you, Know Kirby smart And Davils twenny have you,
Speaker 1: know the most job security outside Of Nick. Saban, probably
Speaker 1: but things can turn and they don't seem to be.
Speaker 1: AFRAID i am fascinated with the fact that these freshmen
Speaker 1: are probably going to get pretty serious, looks which is. Crazy.
Speaker 2: YEAH i, mean talk about two guys who have really
Speaker 2: been highly sought. After we've heard about both of, them
Speaker 2: both of them for years. Now And Justin fields At
Speaker 2: georgia to me is something THAT i find a bit confounding.
Speaker 1: That there's some off the charts confidence.
Speaker 2: There oh there really is for him to go To
Speaker 2: georgia at, all to me was a questionable decision given
Speaker 2: the success That Jake from, had and ESPECIALLY i think
Speaker 2: given What Kirby smart was witnessed to At, alabama a
Speaker 2: lot of quarterbacks that were similar To Jake from, right
Speaker 2: a guy who can go out there and be at
Speaker 2: least to start a little bit more than a game
Speaker 2: manager and still take a team to incredible. Heights Jake
Speaker 2: fromb's only going to continue to, improve even if he
Speaker 2: doesn't have quite the skill set of a guy Like Justin.
Speaker 1: Fields. MAN i Love jake From i'm not a bad.
Speaker 2: Option he's a really good. Option he got them into
Speaker 2: The national. Championship, yeah he almost won The national Champions.
Speaker 1: And he wasn't just handing the ball, off and he
Speaker 1: wasn't just shown. Down we're going down field accurately and.
Speaker 2: Confidently when the season started And Jacob eason got, hurt,
Speaker 2: yeah everyone expected That from who was a true freshman
Speaker 2: in his own ride a year, ago would come in
Speaker 2: there and be a game. Manager he would hand the
Speaker 2: ball off To Sony michelle And Nick chubb they would
Speaker 2: win with, defense and for a while that is sort
Speaker 2: of what they. Did but he got better and it
Speaker 2: became more apparent as the year wore. On this is
Speaker 2: a kid who can make all the. Throws he wasn't
Speaker 2: turning the ball. Over he was very efficient with the.
Speaker 2: Football and it WAS i think that propensity to stay within,
Speaker 2: himself to not make mistakes that Got georgia to the
Speaker 2: playoff and to The national champ day again almost won
Speaker 2: the national. Championship how do you do much better than?
Speaker 1: THAT i don't, Know And i'm curious because there is,
Speaker 1: this you, know Because georgia's recruited so, well we'll stick
Speaker 1: With georgia because they haven't won the national championship recently
Speaker 1: Like clemson. Has but If jake prom, struggles how much
Speaker 1: of you, know how much amnesia Is Kirby smart willing to? Endure,
Speaker 1: yeah to, say you, know he's not great right, now
Speaker 1: but we've seen, him you, know over the course of
Speaker 1: a season get his act together and improve and turn
Speaker 1: into a you, know a top ten quarterback in the.
Speaker 1: Country i'm curious to, see you. Know and that'll also
Speaker 1: depend on justin fields and the rest of the depth.
Speaker 1: Chart but how much belief given the pressure That Kirby
Speaker 1: smart will be under to win and be a nationally
Speaker 1: contending team year in and year, out will he sort
Speaker 1: of look back At Justin fields and wonder if he
Speaker 1: Should AND i don't. THINK i don't Think Davos swiney
Speaker 1: is under quite that. Pressure, no because. ISN'T i don't
Speaker 1: think that there's a belief That Kelly bryant is you,
Speaker 1: know you hate the, comparison BUT i don't think people
Speaker 1: believe he Is Deshaun watson in terms of what he
Speaker 1: can look like at his absolute, Best WHEREAS i think
Speaker 1: there is the belief because, again the most popular player
Speaker 1: on a squad is the backup quarterback who's nobody's seen.
Speaker 1: Throw but the belief That Trevor lawrence could Be Deshaun,
Speaker 1: WATSON i think right now is more.
Speaker 2: ROBUST i would agree with. YOU i Think Kelly bryan
Speaker 2: is probably more. Susceptible, yeah at this, POINT i think that's.
Speaker 2: Right i'm also going, to, yeah what's your wildcard the
Speaker 2: quarterback side of? Things WHEN i asked the, Question, dan
Speaker 2: what Does Wilton spate do in twenty?
Speaker 1: Eighteen is he waiting On Shaye patterson and the. Decision
Speaker 1: is that what's, Happening.
Speaker 2: Well it's fascinating to. Me there's like game THEORY i
Speaker 2: think here With Wilton. Spate first, off if you hear
Speaker 2: this and reflexively wonder how old Is Wilton, spate that's
Speaker 2: a fair, Question. Dan he turns twenty four In. December
Speaker 2: he is technically a grad transfer candidate this, season and
Speaker 2: it's just it's interesting on a bunch of different. Levels All,
Speaker 2: right he can be a grad transfer if he wants,
Speaker 2: to and it sounds like he's interested in kicking the
Speaker 2: tires finding out what's available to.
Speaker 1: Him but it also all right, now, Ty.
Speaker 2: Yeah it also feels like he'd really like to come
Speaker 2: back To michigan and give it one more, go but
Speaker 2: only if there's a job for him at. Quarterback and
Speaker 2: that's where it gets a little, muddy because you may
Speaker 2: or may not have heard of the Whole Shape patterson
Speaker 2: thing and how that comes into. Play But Shaye patterson
Speaker 2: transferring away From ole Miss good quarterback just completed his
Speaker 2: sophomore season At Ole Miss good quarterback transferring away and
Speaker 2: out Of oxford because of the fallout from The Hugh freeze. Firing,
Speaker 2: normally when you transfer away you have to sit out a,
Speaker 2: year that's the. Rule but he filed the case with THE.
Speaker 2: Ncaa he says he should be able to play right
Speaker 2: away because he was, misled correct misled about the severity
Speaker 2: of the sanctions that were coming down Against old miss
Speaker 2: after the Whole Hugh freeze.
Speaker 1: Thing he's got a.
Speaker 2: Case his lawyers are encouraged at least by the reaction
Speaker 2: and the line of questioning that he's gotten from the NC.
Speaker 2: Doublea But michigan just put this waiver in at THE
Speaker 2: i think end Of. February there is really no telling
Speaker 2: when the official verdict is gonna come, down, Right so
Speaker 2: at this point when we're doing the show in Early,
Speaker 2: april it seems, promising but, frankly we don't.
Speaker 1: Know, yeah and And michigan has. Options this is not a.
Speaker 1: Binary it's not one or the.
Speaker 2: Other because a side Of Welton, spate who maybe could
Speaker 2: stay if you, wanted and a side Of Shaye. Patterson
Speaker 2: you've also Got Brandon, peters who we saw a little
Speaker 2: bit of at the end of the year last.
Speaker 1: Year what a roller coaster of The Brandon peters. Experience
Speaker 1: starting out with it was like, OOH i, wonder like
Speaker 1: oh my, god is? He and then it was oh, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no, no.
Speaker 2: It was still a young, kid right still only absolutely,
Speaker 2: yes he.
Speaker 1: Was he was thrust into a situation as a third
Speaker 1: string that he was not fully ready.
Speaker 2: For and then there's Also dylan McCaffrey who's got a
Speaker 2: little bit of status and name recognition because his, brother
Speaker 2: his older Brother christian obviously was all ruled everything At.
Speaker 2: Stanford so he's another, guy a highly, regarded highly recruited
Speaker 2: quarterback who opted to play For Jim.
Speaker 1: Harbaugh, yes and the wildest of cards in this stepth,
Speaker 1: CHART i.
Speaker 2: Think, oh so nobody knows for. Sure, again just to,
Speaker 2: recap when THE ncaa is going to make their ruling
Speaker 2: On Shape, PATTERSON i think if he can play right,
Speaker 2: away he's probably the. Guy is that? Fair Wilton spate
Speaker 2: is not better Than Shape, patterson?
Speaker 1: RIGHT i think? SO i think in terms of, ceiling
Speaker 1: in terms of because of what This michigan team returns
Speaker 1: on both sides of the, Ball Shape patterson is the
Speaker 1: most ready to win A Big ten.
Speaker 2: Championship, yes but If Shape patterson isn't allowed to, play
Speaker 2: there's clearly a clearer path For Wilton. Spate it might
Speaker 2: be of a controversial decision For Jim, harbaugh but you,
Speaker 2: know like that's when you get into what makes sense
Speaker 2: for the. Program Because harbaugh's probably more comfortable With, spad
Speaker 2: he's had more time with. Him it's just That michigan
Speaker 2: needs a lot more production at the quarterback. Position right,
Speaker 2: then they've gotten over the last couple of, years which
Speaker 2: did Include Wilton spate to some, degree and so at
Speaker 2: that point then we're talking, like all, right, well could
Speaker 2: he turn it over To Brandon, peters who we saw
Speaker 2: a little bit last year towards the end, again could
Speaker 2: we maybe go young and fresh with this thing With
Speaker 2: dylan McCaffrey, again one of the top quarterbacks in the
Speaker 2: nation out of high. School really no guarantees on any
Speaker 2: side of the. Coin, dan if You're Wilton.
Speaker 1: Spate what do you?
Speaker 2: Do?
Speaker 1: Man don't go To. Pitt don't do, it don't do.
Speaker 1: That don't go To. Pitt, yeah that's just sort of
Speaker 1: seems like a mess right. NOW i don't, KNOW i
Speaker 1: honestly don't. KNOW i, mean the UCLA's depth chart isn't
Speaker 1: wonderful at. Quarterback if it's a one year, thing he
Speaker 1: could run an. OFFENSE i, mean he's not going to
Speaker 1: run A Chip kelly blur running quarterback. Offense are they
Speaker 1: going to get him outside the? Tackles but could he
Speaker 1: Be Nick foles For Chip kelly in near one with The? Eagles?
Speaker 2: Maybe, MAYBE i JUST i guess it depends on your.
Speaker 2: Goal if you want to, play if you think you
Speaker 2: can play in THE, nfl like a lot OF d
Speaker 2: one kids.
Speaker 1: Do he's got the. Side the physical traits are there
Speaker 1: for the physical traits are.
Speaker 2: There if you think you can play in the, league
Speaker 2: you gotta go somewhere where you get surefire playing. Time,
Speaker 2: yeah and there there's a real good chance at that
Speaker 2: place for him is Not. Michigan so if that is the,
Speaker 2: goal then you got to you gotta take advantage of
Speaker 2: your transfer card and go. Elsewhere if that, ISN'T i
Speaker 2: think that's. Right if you just Like, michigan you want
Speaker 2: a Quarterback, michigan you Think michigan's, close you're more inclined
Speaker 2: to just stick around where you think you can win right,
Speaker 2: now then maybe maybe you hang around. Again the Shape
Speaker 2: patterson thing is very much in. Flux he got guy
Speaker 2: In Brandon, peters, who like you, said was up and
Speaker 2: Down dylan McCaffrey a great. Unknown if if you really Like,
Speaker 2: michigan then you stick around and you you, know hope
Speaker 2: That Jim harbaugh's comfort level with you is enough to
Speaker 2: get you the.
Speaker 1: Job but OTHERWISE i think you got to go. Elsewhere,
Speaker 1: Yeah i'm trying to look at who else you know
Speaker 1: could use a quality grad transfer Like Wilton spate would be. Wazoo.
Speaker 2: UH i don't.
Speaker 1: Know is he that good of a? THROWER i think
Speaker 1: he can. BE i think what he was asked to
Speaker 1: do was not great these past couple of years At,
Speaker 1: michigan and obviously he had injury, Issues SO.
Speaker 2: I, MEAN i don't know the other thing, Too when
Speaker 2: you talk about a grad, transfer this is not Like Russell.
Speaker 1: Wilson, Correct this is not a sure thing right going.
Speaker 2: In, yeah like you knew With Russell wilson that no
Speaker 2: one expected him to be as successful At wisconsin as
Speaker 2: he ended up, being but you at least had a
Speaker 2: little bit more data on what he did AT Nc
Speaker 2: state to feel, Like, okay it's probably going to work
Speaker 2: out to some. Degree Wilton spate's been hurt even when he.
Speaker 2: Played it wasn't like all puppy dogs and ice cream,
Speaker 2: here So i'm not sure he's quite a known quantity
Speaker 2: the way we've seen some of these other guys been
Speaker 2: in the, past even Like Ryan finley was more of
Speaker 2: a known quantity.
Speaker 1: Definitely you know who. LISTEN i don't Know wake's depth
Speaker 1: chart at, quarterback but with how The wolford wagon developed
Speaker 1: this past, year all, right and he's FROM i think
Speaker 1: well In spain is From, virginia so if it's on
Speaker 1: The atlantic, COAST i don't. Know i'd like to be
Speaker 1: involved with the clo fense. TIE i don't know about, You,
Speaker 1: Okay i'd flirt.
Speaker 2: So again just to recap here a fun show black
Speaker 2: in some actual.
Speaker 1: Football it's been a. WHILE i talked about it a lot.
Speaker 2: Again Dan, mullen is he a quarterback, away talked about
Speaker 2: the quarterback AT, lsu talked About Matt canada At, maryland
Speaker 2: THE ucf, offense And Wilton spain on my, end and
Speaker 2: you were asking all sorts of questions About charles Chip
Speaker 2: kelly To Florida, state what do they do at Quarterback
Speaker 2: texas potentially getting back to Being texas or at.
Speaker 1: Least find a running back people being.
Speaker 2: More texas in light of the quarterback turnover in The
Speaker 2: big Twelve, Yep, oklahoma how they fit into this whole,
Speaker 2: mess and then two really intriguing quarterback battles that could sprout,
Speaker 2: up both At georgia And.
Speaker 1: Clemson i'm, Excited, Ty i'm excited FOR i don't, know
Speaker 1: just guessing about things the rest of the spring and
Speaker 1: summer Because i'm so bad at. That that's what we,
Speaker 1: are very bad at. It BUT i like hearing your,
Speaker 1: voice so we're going to keep doing it all.
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