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Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to a brand spanking new edition

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Speaker 1: of Cardinal Territory. Jim Hayes alongside Lancelin, Kyle Gibson, and

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Speaker 1: Matt Holliday, who is in the ride today. And for

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Speaker 1: things about it. All right, Well, gentlemen, we're about two

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Speaker 1: weeks away from pictures and catchers reporting. Even if the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals add a veteran outfielder, which I think they may,

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Speaker 1: they're going to be a very very young ball club,

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Speaker 1: right A lot of guys that maybe have done it

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Speaker 1: shown what they can do, other guys haven't shown it.

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Speaker 1: For a full season. They'll be getting the opportunity. So

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Speaker 1: I want you guys to think back to when you

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Speaker 1: first broke in, maybe you're first or second year and Matt,

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Speaker 1: what was that like. I'll start with you, all right,

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Speaker 1: you're a young guy. Obviously a lot of hype around

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Speaker 1: you as a player. What was it like for you?

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Speaker 1: Was there pressure? What were you dealing with in that circumstance.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think as a young player, you're

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Speaker 2: trying to establish yourself. You want to play well in

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Speaker 2: spring training. You know, for me, I was trying to

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Speaker 2: work after practice. Watch the older guys, watch like Larry

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Speaker 2: like Todd Green and uh Mark Sweeney were some older

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Speaker 2: veteran like uh, utility type, you know, bench players that

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Speaker 2: kind of took me under their wing. So to me,

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Speaker 2: it was you know, especially back then, you were kind

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Speaker 2: and then you earned the respect of the older players

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Speaker 2: by by how you went about your business. Obviously, try

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Speaker 2: to play well and make the team, and and then

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Speaker 2: down and try to play well enough to where uh

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Speaker 2: And and uh, like I said, I had some older

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Speaker 2: their wing, took me to lunch, told me about talk

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Speaker 3: And and uh, I think.

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Speaker 2: That's what you know, veteran guys, You know that they

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Speaker 2: of the way I saw it.

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Speaker 1: Now, Lance when you came up with the Cardinals, you

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Speaker 1: had a pedigree, showed what you could do at the

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Speaker 1: minor league level. You also had some veterans in that rotation,

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Speaker 1: great guys to learn from. But Matt Holliday said something

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Speaker 1: about keeping your mouth shut. So I'm wondering what was

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Speaker 1: it like for the for the early days of Lance

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Speaker 4: I would say that that first year when I was

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Speaker 4: And then year two, year two, I made the All

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Speaker 4: a little I got a little chirpy, and Matt enjoyed it.

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Speaker 4: I know he did always. He was always laughing.

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Speaker 3: As we know, Matt was one of them.

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Speaker 4: But you had Karp, you had Wayne Right, he had

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Speaker 1: Well, he's known as a constant delightle hold on a

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Speaker 1: I went, what was it like for you the the

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Speaker 6: The early days not not quite like Lance maybe just

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Speaker 6: You know, you're doing the chart, you go make a sandwich.

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Speaker 6: It's not a big deal. Some life as a starter.

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Speaker 6: And Pelfrey came in and said, what are you doing.

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Speaker 6: If you want to eat, eat before the game. If

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Speaker 6: This is not how it's done here. So, you know,

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Speaker 3: He gave me a little bit of leash.

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Speaker 6: He would, you know, maybe give me one or two

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Speaker 6: I'm giving you your two shakeoffs, now, just can you

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Speaker 6: this is what we've brought up a couple of times

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Speaker 6: So I think this is where if you have the

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Speaker 1: Smat was what was your take on in game snacking,

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Speaker 2: I didn't have a problem if you got your snack

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Speaker 3: I had a little bit of a problem.

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Speaker 2: You know, as an everyday player if you went in

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Speaker 3: So I don't have a problem if.

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Speaker 2: If you know how your workout took you right up

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Speaker 2: I don't care if you're eating on the bench as

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Speaker 1: And that is different because with some teams you don't

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Speaker 1: with you guys, the rotation was a tight unit. They

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Speaker 4: I mean, I've already pretty much alluded to the fact

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Speaker 6: right way, people will follow. A leader that doesn't have

437
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Speaker 6: anybody following their lead is not a leader at all.

438
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Speaker 6: He's just a loner. So I just kind of took

439
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Speaker 6: the took the appro I'm going to go about my

440
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Speaker 6: business how I always have. I'm going to be open

441
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Speaker 6: for conversations, open for questions, and if people think that

442
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Speaker 6: I can bring value from that aspect, then I'll become

443
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Speaker 6: a leader. If they don't, then I might become a owner.

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Speaker 5: I saw Kyle I saw in twenty eighteen. I saw

445
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Speaker 5: Kyle throw.

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Speaker 4: Away a sandwich from a rookie in mid game. I

447
00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:22,959
Speaker 4: saw it happen, so he passed it down.

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Speaker 1: That's the growth of a leader. You know, leadership takes time. Now,

449
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Speaker 1: Matt Holliday was a leader on the Cardinals. I know

450
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Speaker 1: this because a lot of the young players were absolutely

451
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Speaker 1: terrified of them. I'm not going to mention names Randall

452
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Speaker 1: Gritchick and Matt Adams terrified of Matt Holliday, but total

453
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Speaker 1: respect Matt. Is there a player or two that you

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Speaker 1: can remember kind of helping along that you enjoyed working with.

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Speaker 1: Give us a couple names where a couple guys that

456
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Speaker 1: you enjoyed helping them maybe get to where they could go.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, look, I think.

458
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Speaker 2: We had a lot of good young players come up

459
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Speaker 2: with the Cardinals, you know, with my time with Colorado,

460
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Speaker 2: even at the end, most of those guys were similar age.

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Speaker 3: So I'd say, like, you know, you feel like.

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Speaker 2: An older player probably around I don't know, thirty two,

463
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Speaker 2: thirty one. You feel like maybe you're an older player

464
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Speaker 2: when I twenty two or twenty three year old comes up.

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Speaker 2: I love kolbe Rasmus. You know, it wasn't it wasn't long,

466
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Speaker 2: but you know he got uh he got kind of

467
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Speaker 2: got ruffled some feathers and and uh, you know, he

468
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Speaker 2: had pissed, pissed some some veteran guys off and and

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Speaker 2: I don't think Tony loved him when I got traded

470
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Speaker 2: over there, but I really liked Kolbe and uh and

471
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Speaker 2: I knew that he had a ton of talent and

472
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Speaker 2: and enjoyed trying to help him understand where people were

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Speaker 2: coming from. So I enjoyed trying to help him. And

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Speaker 2: then like the guys you're talking about, Matt Adams and

475
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Speaker 2: and Colton Long, we're good young players that came up

476
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Speaker 2: when when I would, you know, we were veteran players,

477
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Speaker 2: and so I would say probably those three, you know,

478
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Speaker 2: jumped to the top of the list. But look, I

479
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Speaker 2: think as a as a as an older player, you

480
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Speaker 2: start to you know, and actually probably in twenty eighteen

481
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Speaker 2: when I was with or twenty seventeen when I was

482
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Speaker 2: with the Yankees, they put Aaron Judges locker right next

483
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Speaker 2: to me, and so I got a chance to.

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Speaker 3: That.

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Speaker 2: Again, he's super mature and just an unbelievable person, so

486
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Speaker 2: I didn't really.

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Speaker 3: Have to do much.

488
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Speaker 2: But getting a chance to be kind of an older,

489
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Speaker 2: older player that he leaned on for a season was

490
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Speaker 2: was really fun because obviously the immense talent, but an

491
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Speaker 2: unbelievable human. So I really enjoyed kind of getting into

492
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Speaker 2: him that it'd be somebody that we still stay in

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Speaker 2: contact with. You know, Tulo was a guy that came

494
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Speaker 2: up when I was an older player in Colorado. I mean,

495
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Speaker 2: it's not that much older than him, but he came up,

496
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Speaker 2: was a rookie, you know, I was. I was seven

497
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Speaker 2: when we went to the World Series and kind of

498
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Speaker 2: I was probably at the best season I ever had, So,

499
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Speaker 2: you know, he was another young player that I really

500
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Speaker 2: enjoyed getting to know and trying to help out a

501
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Speaker 2: little bit.

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Speaker 1: Now, I would be irresponsible as a host if I

503
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Speaker 1: didn't circle back and ask you another question about Rasmus,

504
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Speaker 1: because Cardinal fans would love to hear about it. So

505
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Speaker 1: really nice kid, super talented, right, but he was a

506
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Speaker 1: bit of a project in terms of trying to get

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Speaker 1: him on the right track.

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Speaker 2: Correct, Yeah, Yeah, I mean, look, I think Kolby had

509
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Speaker 2: you know, he was he was a young first round

510
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Speaker 2: pick and.

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Speaker 3: You know, I don't know, I don't know you know a.

512
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Speaker 2: Lot of the details of before I got there, but

513
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Speaker 2: you know, at the time, you know, he he you know,

514
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Speaker 2: he missed the cut off man a lot and I

515
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Speaker 2: don't know, he was just uh, you know, he was

516
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Speaker 2: a little bit you know, I think Tony preferred veteran players,

517
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Speaker 2: which I think everybody would agree, and and he would

518
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Speaker 2: get after Colby from missing the cutoff man or being

519
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:18,119
Speaker 2: a little bit selfish or But to me, I I

520
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 2: saw the heart that he had and I really I

521
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Speaker 2: really liked him. I just think he, uh, he got

522
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Speaker 2: jaded early and then you know, he was just kind

523
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Speaker 2: of a.

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Speaker 3: Quieter kid. Uh.

525
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Speaker 2: And so yeah, you had to work for for his

526
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Speaker 2: trust and and I didn't mind doing that. So I

527
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Speaker 2: didn't mind sit down and trying to have a conversation

528
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Speaker 2: with him and get to know his his kind of

529
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Speaker 2: point of view on some of the things that you know,

530
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Speaker 2: the other guys weren't putting up with. And so he

531
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Speaker 2: ended up getting traded. Like I said, I didn't get

532
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Speaker 2: to play with him long, but still keep in contact

533
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Speaker 2: with them. And I really like him as a human.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, really nice guy.

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Speaker 2: Jim.

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Speaker 3: I have a question, Jim.

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Speaker 6: I'm gonna ask a question. You always direct these you know,

538
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Speaker 6: hard hitting questions us, so you know, as I think

539
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Speaker 6: it is only fair, and you know, Jim, who is

540
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Speaker 6: a veteran sideline reporter that you looked up to, and

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Speaker 6: then as you've got some veteran status, you know who

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Speaker 6: would be really enjoyed, you know, bringing along and showing

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Speaker 6: them the ropes of asking the hard hitting questions and

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Speaker 6: knowing how to how to act and be a professional

545
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Speaker 6: in the locker room. And you know, when did you

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Speaker 6: realize you were a problem?

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Speaker 1: Okay, So Kyle, just so you know, Ken Rosenthal to

548
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Speaker 1: me is the top of the heap. I had them

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Speaker 1: on another podcast once someone had someone one of the

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Speaker 1: other major media people in baseball. I'm not going to

551
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Speaker 1: say who, but said, hey, yeah, I'll come on your podcast.

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Speaker 1: Can you book it through the talent service of the network?

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Speaker 3: Okay?

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Speaker 1: You know, like I know the guy I had his

555
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Speaker 1: cell phone, so I asked. I asked Ken. I said, hey,

556
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Speaker 1: can I text him? Can you come on the podcast? Whatever?

557
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 1: And He's like sure when? And I said, do you

558
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Speaker 1: want me to book it through the talent person? He said, Jim,

559
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,399
Speaker 1: if I ever tell you that you have to go

560
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 1: through the talent coordinator, you have permission to punch me

561
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Speaker 1: in the face. He's the best. And with young people,

562
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Speaker 1: I don't young reporters. If they ask me, I try

563
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Speaker 1: to help them. I look at myself as kind of scraping.

564
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Speaker 1: By all. You guys are bona fide major leaguer. I'm

565
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 1: just a lunch pail guy, all right. So if someone asks,

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Speaker 1: I haven't taken anyone under my wing. I work in

567
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Speaker 1: radio with young people. If they ask, I always try

568
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Speaker 1: to help them. I say, be well rounded, read a lot,

569
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Speaker 1: because you have to learn how to write, not just

570
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Speaker 1: be handsome on television or beautiful on television. Has to

571
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Speaker 1: be some substance and then hopefully they leave me alone.

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Speaker 1: Now I always say this about our panel. It is

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Speaker 1: I'll let you guys go. We talked about this a

583
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Speaker 1: little bit in the last episode that the big strong

584
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Speaker 1: guy Pete Alonzo was talking in some caravan interview situation.

585
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Speaker 1: He said, the toughest guy for me to hit was

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Speaker 1: Kyle Gibson. He was oh for seventeen against Kyle Gibson

587
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Speaker 1: in his career. Lonzo's wonderful talent. Right, you're over seventeen,

588
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Speaker 1: you know, against the guy he owns you. So my

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Speaker 1: question told him the nibbler by the way, meaning your

590
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Speaker 1: sense of the strike zone was impeccable. Right, you nibbled

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Speaker 1: and made him acquious to what you wanted to do.

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Speaker 1: Matt Holliday, give me a name of someone who owned

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Speaker 1: Matt Holliday.

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Speaker 3: Who owned me?

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Speaker 2: Uh? There was a guy named Brian Lawrence who pitched

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Speaker 2: for the Padres that everybody else in the league seemed

597
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Speaker 2: to have no problem with. I couldn't figure him out.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 2: He was kind of a side arm three quarter starter,

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Speaker 2: and every time I thought he was kind of running

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Speaker 2: it in, he's throwing a sweeper or slider like kind

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Speaker 2: of slurvy thing away every time. I mean, he jammed

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Speaker 2: the piss out of me with eighty seven. Like I

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Speaker 2: just I couldn't. I couldn't get him. There was one

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Speaker 2: time I remember Clare Hurtle came up to me and

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Speaker 2: he said, am I gonna have to sit you down

607
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Speaker 2: against Brian Lawrence? And I was like, you know whatever, dude,

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Speaker 2: you know it was sure, Oh yeah, I'll take him.

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Speaker 3: Hey whatever.

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Speaker 2: But he's a guy that I don't I don't even

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Speaker 2: know what the numbers were. And there's probably guys that

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Speaker 2: had better that owned me, maybe more than him, But

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Speaker 2: I remember him as a guy that I I couldn't

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Speaker 2: quite figure him out. Every time I look in, he

615
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Speaker 2: throw it away. I look away, he throwed in. I

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Speaker 2: just he had my number, So there's one for it.

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Speaker 3: That's a good one.

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Speaker 1: Lance who was a guy who had your number.

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Speaker 5: Neil Walker for the Pittsburgh Pirates.

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Speaker 4: He would just take sinker away, pitch one, tank secret away,

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Speaker 4: pitch two, come inside with the four seamer double off

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Speaker 4: the waller home run.

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Speaker 5: That seemed to be it. You could never get ahead

624
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Speaker 5: of it, and he always was ready.

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Speaker 4: And then later in my career, I just started peppering

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Speaker 4: him away with four seamers for strike one and strike.

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Speaker 5: Two and he's like, oh, it's not running off the

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Speaker 5: plate anymore.

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Speaker 4: So I learned my lesson, but it took me about

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Speaker 4: seven years to figure it out, So that was my

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Speaker 4: issue with him.

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Speaker 1: How about you, Kyle, Was there a guy that had

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Speaker 1: your number that owned you in a sense?

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Speaker 6: Yeah? The entire Cleveland Indians from twenty fourteen to twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 6: all of them, I'm pretty sure, hitting over three hundred

636
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Speaker 6: for the except for Carlos Santana. Jason Kipnus, I believe

637
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Speaker 6: is hitting over four point fifty with probably almost a

638
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Speaker 6: six hundred on base against me. So I don't know

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Speaker 6: what I was doing.

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Speaker 3: Maybe they just were really good.

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Speaker 6: But every one of those guys, and I don't know

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Speaker 6: that I got Francisco Lindor on an over until I

643
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 6: started throwing a cutter. So I'm like, all of those

644
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Speaker 6: guys over three hundred, really really bad numbers against the

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Speaker 6: Cleveland Indians, except for Carlos Santana.

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Speaker 1: Like morewe just you know, I plan to ask you

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Speaker 1: give me names of guys that you dominated against. Unfortunately

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Speaker 1: we have run out of time.

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Speaker 5: We'll get to that in another episode.

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Speaker 1: But gentlemen, you were great. The stories were entertaining. I

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Speaker 1: appreciate the time, and that's going to do it for

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Speaker 1: this edition of Cardinals Territory. Join us for the next episode,

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Speaker 1: and hopefully that one won't suck.

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Speaker 3: H