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Speaker 1: On April ninth, one of the most important fights in

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Speaker 1: the walterweight division that you could make with or without

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Speaker 1: a title. It will take place UFC two seventy three, Jacksonville, Florida,

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Speaker 1: and it will involve Ham's Out Chimaiah versus our next guest,

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Speaker 1: Gilbert Durenyo Burns, Luke Thomas, Brian Campbell. Morning combat. Here

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Speaker 1: to talk to none other than you. Good sir, how

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Speaker 1: are you doing?

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Speaker 2: Do great? Thank you.

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Speaker 1: We are here in Sanford, MMA, in sunny South Florida.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about this fight. Ham's Out Jamiah will start

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Speaker 1: there a lot of people wondering why you took it,

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Speaker 1: because you seem to be much further along in your career,

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Speaker 1: much higher up in the division. Granted he's got a

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Speaker 1: ton of hype from what's going on, but he's never

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Speaker 1: really even faced anyone like you, much less be you.

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Speaker 1: Why did you take it?

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Speaker 2: That wasn't the first option where we want to fight Kobe.

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Speaker 2: That was the fight that I was looking for. But

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Speaker 2: then they meet the rematch, after the rematch, and I

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Speaker 2: knew it would be hard to get an opponent, And

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Speaker 2: then when when he beat Lee gile Young, I knew

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Speaker 2: the hype Winna get crazy and no one wants to fight.

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Speaker 2: He and then like, I kind of I don't know.

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Speaker 2: No one was giving me a fight. I wasn't getting

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Speaker 2: a fight. I would just like at taxially and say

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Speaker 2: I want to fight this. Guys, I think they're going

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Speaker 2: to offer to me. So I'm already letting you know

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Speaker 2: I want to fight.

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Speaker 3: These We've seen the DM.

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Speaker 2: We can confirm this.

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Speaker 1: We want to point this out. We saw Gilbert with

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Speaker 1: the timestamp from the day and everything else. Right after

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Speaker 1: the last fight with Hamsan lejiang Lang, he literally hits

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Speaker 1: up his manager and goes, I want to His manager goes, why,

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Speaker 1: but you did it here we are.

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Speaker 3: I'll answer for you. You wanted it because you're savage.

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Speaker 4: And I say that as a compliment to where you

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Speaker 4: are in your career at this point. Why do you

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Speaker 4: think though the rest of the world doesn't want the

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Speaker 4: face Hamsa Chamaia at this point, at this moment.

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Speaker 2: A lot of guys who wanted I think he's a

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Speaker 2: little controversial because you see the Neil Magani say he wanted.

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Speaker 2: I know they asked the fire for we sent the

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Speaker 2: look and he said he wanted. Luca Rockholpe said he

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Speaker 2: wanted Uh, for sure. A lot of guys don't want it,

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Speaker 2: but he just the way I see it, we both

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Speaker 2: want to fight. For sure, he's a little bit behind,

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Speaker 2: but we kind of asking to get an opponent. No one,

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Speaker 2: no one shows up. It was just like I'm putting

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Speaker 2: my hands up. The guy's putting his hands up over there,

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Speaker 2: just like I fight you. Let's you know, let's do it. Uh?

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Speaker 1: What is he give me the scouting report? Imagine I

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Speaker 1: hadn't seen him fight, and you could tell me all

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Speaker 1: about him. How do you how do you evaluate him

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Speaker 1: as a fighter and as an opponent.

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Speaker 2: I think he's a very good fighter. I think he's

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Speaker 2: he's wrestling. I think he's he's he's best trained. For sure,

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Speaker 2: he got he got powering in his hands. When the

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Speaker 2: guy has one knockout, yeah, but when he has more

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Speaker 2: than one with the one punch, for sure, the guy

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Speaker 2: has has power on his hands, and he can grapple.

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Speaker 2: I don't think he's the high level he's grappling, but

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Speaker 2: good control, good ground and pound, I think I and

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Speaker 2: he has that thing that I used that I had before,

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Speaker 2: whenever you never lost and you feel a little bit untouchable,

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Speaker 2: you feel l invincible, you feel like I like that.

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Speaker 2: I like that confidence that he has and I've been there.

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Speaker 2: I was like that, and the I lost to a

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Speaker 2: He just put me on the place that I was

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Speaker 2: never I never felt, you know, like things wasn't working.

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Speaker 2: And I think he can brought the same to these guys.

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Speaker 1: What when you say his grappling, he's overall very very good.

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Speaker 1: But his grappling isn't necessarily there. But what we've seen,

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Speaker 1: granted you're the expert, but what we've seen is he's

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Speaker 1: give me a sense of his ground game, what's good

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Speaker 2: I think he's very long, and he used that very

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Speaker 2: very good. But he combined that the wrestling to take

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Speaker 2: We're gonna test a little bit more defense. We're gonna

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Speaker 2: a lot of things that I want to see he have.

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Speaker 2: He does have the answer, you know, like on the

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Speaker 2: grapping aspect, getting up, getting out of balance, getting you know,

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Speaker 2: attacks from the different angles from nack, arm bars, triangle,

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Speaker 2: leg locks, sweeps, get ups. I want to especially when

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Speaker 2: It's not working. He's getting underneath it's not If it's

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Speaker 4: We've seen in the news cycle you say, Okay, you

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Speaker 4: respect what Tamaya brings to the hair, but you think

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Speaker 4: you can take advantage of it. But true or false,

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Speaker 4: you're bringing in some super top secret Russian grapplers and

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Speaker 4: you're not disclosing the names.

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Speaker 3: They might be here. They might be hiding behind the.

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Speaker 1: Top of the path that was at their request. Correct

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Speaker 1: they requested to remain anonymous.

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Speaker 4: So what is not in your game completely that you're

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Speaker 4: hoping this add to this training camp does to prepare

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Speaker 2: A couple of things that they put on my game,

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Speaker 2: If I'm facing freaking Neil Magne, I'm going to bring

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Speaker 2: a toll if we don't have it here, Samful, I'm

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Speaker 2: bring a small guy, very strong like me. A lot

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Speaker 2: of like that way. I think nowadays that I have

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Speaker 3: Russian mystery man, I wonder if it's fatal.

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Speaker 1: It's definitely not fad or. But the question what I

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Speaker 1: have is this, I know you can't tell us everything,

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Speaker 1: but try to give us just a sense of things.

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Speaker 1: What do the Russians do in terms of how they

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Speaker 2: Okay, I think they mastering the cage control more than Americans,

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Speaker 1: They're they're not physically super strong.

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Speaker 2: They're very technical in the cage. They don't waste a

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Speaker 2: it's just make you gas a lot more. And then

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Speaker 2: they get good hipes, good grips, good had position. It's

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Speaker 2: is not a secret, but they're doing that very good

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Speaker 2: in it. Whenever they go to the floor, they position

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Speaker 2: one of the things that we have when we take

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Speaker 2: want to hold control first but then apply damage. But

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Speaker 2: they do a very good thing controlling the heaps, controlling

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Speaker 2: Whenever they control them, it's easy to do a ground

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Speaker 2: they do, you know. And then for me the Jeffers,

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Speaker 2: who was the amount of energy that they don't spend

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Speaker 2: a lot of energy. They very smart.

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Speaker 3: Well, he's thirty five, but he's a young thirty five.

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Speaker 3: It's going to be thirty six in July. I'man old.

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Speaker 1: He's got two kids.

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Speaker 3: I can't even eat it out of a gas station anymore.

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Speaker 3: What are the steaks? Though? Because of the buzz?

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Speaker 4: Okay to gamble to fight this version of Taif, no

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Speaker 4: one really knows how good. But it's clear you're being

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Speaker 4: opportunist if you want to take advantage of that buzz.

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Speaker 4: Do you think a win over to my I get

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Speaker 4: you directly back in the title picture?

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Speaker 2: Uh? Maybe, I don't think. It all depends on the performance.

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Speaker 2: And be very honest with you, I would like to

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Speaker 2: say yes.

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Speaker 1: But maybe has the UFC said anything to you about it?

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Speaker 2: I heard Dana saying, if it makes sense, the win

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Speaker 2: are going to but that that opinion can change it

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Speaker 2: every time.

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Speaker 4: I wonder if he defeats you, he may be on

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Speaker 4: in the way to a title shot.

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Speaker 2: Maybe, but I once again I think everything depends on

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Speaker 2: the performers. If any one of us go down and

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Speaker 2: doing this spectacular performance for shut the title shot. But

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Speaker 2: if it goes different than we are everyone expecting me

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Speaker 2: going hard, he's going crazy, and then one guy getting

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Speaker 2: the finish. But it might not go that way. You know,

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Speaker 2: it might get a little and split decision. Wing. I

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Speaker 2: don't think either wasn't going.

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Speaker 1: To This is a very level headed Yeah. Most of

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Speaker 1: the time we talked to fighters and you get you

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Speaker 1: understand like there it's only positive, it's only yes, it's

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Speaker 1: only affirmative thinking. You're kind of It's interesting at thirty

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Speaker 1: five you seem to understand how to balance all of

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Speaker 3: Right, he knows the business.

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Speaker 1: Now do you feel that way like you're a senior

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Speaker 1: in this sort of game so to speak? No, no, no,

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Speaker 1: I don't mean it that way. I don't mean old.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been there a couple of times and I

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Speaker 2: A lot of eyes on me, A lot of people

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Speaker 2: If you're not maybe Kobe on the way, that's the

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Speaker 1: You see Kolbe and Jorge fighting in a state restaurant

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Speaker 4: What's your take on that? Because you know when where

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Speaker 1: I mean, Kobe has like he's been poking the bear

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Speaker 2: I think, Yeah, some some crazy might happen to these guys.

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Speaker 2: sometimes I was kind of passing my my even valors

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Speaker 2: a lot of crap about Leon Wedder's white these guys,

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Speaker 3: Passed my own values to put out a good show

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Speaker 2: I know, I know, but he's not me. But I

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Speaker 2: some point. But I don't want to pass my velors

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Speaker 1: I respect that.

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Speaker 2: I want to do it.

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Speaker 4: Your top ranked for a reason. Off of that title

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Speaker 4: How much does the lost to the champ though still

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Speaker 1: Especially since you started off so hot in that fight.

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Speaker 2: To be honest, I'm over there already. I was was

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Speaker 2: gotta accept that. And then I I rewatched that fight

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Speaker 2: what happened then?

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Speaker 3: What happened? In your eyes?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, walk us through in your mind what went right?

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Speaker 2: What went wrong? I was very emotional going to the fight.

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Speaker 2: To be honest, in the first thing that was the

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Speaker 1: Like you wanted to get a kamorrow or you were

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Speaker 1: like you didn't know how you were gonna feel about it.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know how I was I was going to

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Speaker 2: They know who's gonna win. And then he said, yeah,

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Speaker 2: But whenever the first started, I want to get to

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Speaker 4: In the story of your mind, because I like where

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Speaker 4: you say, I think I needed that loss, Like that's

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Speaker 4: part of your story. You need to hear the lessons

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Speaker 4: that you learned. You executed those lessons against wonder Boy.

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Speaker 4: We saw where you're at. Does the story end in

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Speaker 2: Really?

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: I have chick goals in the new uf C, and

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Speaker 2: one I'm already making that. The first goal is to

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Speaker 2: I don't want that. That's number one goes to fight

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Speaker 2: the best guys will never go out. I wanted to

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Speaker 2: the UFC, doesn't have to be nothing against I don't

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Speaker 2: have nothing against tomorrow. He will just here today. He

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Speaker 2: And we have a good relationship. And I have tremendous

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Speaker 2: I was in a good day for show. Was a

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Speaker 2: little angry, but physically technically I was sharp. Bro. I

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Speaker 2: almost finished that guy. I remember I went out of

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Speaker 2: My knee was short because the knee. I throw anee

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Speaker 2: It's nothing personal. It's nothing to yainty. I want to

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Speaker 2: we're gonna do a rematch, but I don't have that.

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Speaker 2: I gotta beat these guys.

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Speaker 4: Hopefully you were nice enough to say, hey, champion, the

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Speaker 4: Canelo idea not a good.

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Speaker 1: Idea, Bro, didn't you tell that's a bad idea.

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Speaker 2: No, No, that's a pay day.

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Speaker 1: So it's a huge payday. It's a huge How about

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Speaker 1: how about Connor saying he can beat more?

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Speaker 2: I was like, well, there's another big bay there.

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Speaker 3: Do you think Connor gets a chance to this day

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Speaker 2: Not right now? He gotta do a little work, I think.

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Speaker 2: And a lot of people ask to me like, what

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Speaker 2: you know, like you know, you know what you know,

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Speaker 2: what changed your minds is out changing. When he went

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Speaker 2: just freaking go away. Go to a freaking don't need

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Speaker 2: to be mountain, but go to a freaking mountain. Get

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Speaker 2: all your training out of freaking social media, out of

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Speaker 2: freaking whiskey, go train, go back to your roots, you know,

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Speaker 2: get your teammates to get your team. Stayed there for

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Speaker 2: Man and I don't think he's going to come back.

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Speaker 2: But if he does, if he really want that change

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Speaker 1: The loss to Camori's changed your mentality. Indeed, it sounds

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Speaker 1: Like all of that stems from that one event.

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Speaker 2: Yes, he changed a lot of things. I had to

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Speaker 2: understand why he got on my head? You know, why

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Speaker 2: why did I feel offended because he said he's going

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Speaker 2: Why should I feel offended on that? Because I wasn't

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Speaker 4: The best answers are the hardest ones to take, all right?

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Speaker 4: How about Hamza Tremaiev who is a trash talker, loves

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Speaker 3: Has he attempted at all? Is their text messages?

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Speaker 2: Is he?

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Speaker 3: Is he sliding in your dms?

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Speaker 1: How is that the going for you?

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Speaker 2: So far? Are these? You know? I think I learned

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Speaker 2: what do you think he says is going to be

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Speaker 2: easy whatever? If he says it's going to be easy,

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Speaker 1: Nice to get those tough answers. Did you talk to Henry?

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Speaker 1: Did you talk to a sports psychologist?

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Speaker 2: I have a sports eye coologies. There was hard like

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Speaker 2: was the training camp? How was the she freaking forty

435
00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:32,960
Speaker 2: five questions maybe more, and then how was the training camp?

436
00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:33,320
Speaker 1: How was this?

437
00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:36,440
Speaker 2: How was the preparation? And then how was your mentality going?

438
00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:40,280
Speaker 2: And then we start finding things out and then whenever

439
00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:44,719
Speaker 2: she knew already when she found out, it was very

440
00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:47,080
Speaker 2: hard to say it to me. It wasn't hard, but

441
00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:49,280
Speaker 2: I was trying to get it. But I was open,

442
00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:52,399
Speaker 2: but was I wasn't seeing it yet. And then she

443
00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:56,520
Speaker 2: was so smart, sad me read that thing. Here, give

444
00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:58,480
Speaker 2: me the good points, give me where you understand, and

445
00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:02,440
Speaker 2: then I was reading them ship and then I was

446
00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:05,080
Speaker 2: getting you a couple of things. And then took me

447
00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,359
Speaker 2: like freaking two months.

448
00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:09,960
Speaker 1: Because you were in like, what was the hard part

449
00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:13,919
Speaker 1: about the transition was that you had to reevaluate how

450
00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:17,280
Speaker 1: you looked at yourself. Something like that.

451
00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:23,480
Speaker 2: So easy. And then it got to a point that

452
00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:25,840
Speaker 2: I was over confident going to the fight. I knew

453
00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:28,160
Speaker 2: I was going to be tomorrow, and then I didn't

454
00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:31,760
Speaker 2: respect the thing that he knew me a lot, and

455
00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:34,240
Speaker 2: that a couple of my coaches wanted to be there

456
00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:36,680
Speaker 2: was a little bit over confident. I'm just like, I'm

457
00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:38,760
Speaker 2: gonna walk through hate. I'm gonna throw a lot of

458
00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:42,200
Speaker 2: heat on he. He's gonna get uncomfortable when he's gonna

459
00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:45,000
Speaker 2: do what, shoot or whatever, He's gonna take me down,

460
00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:47,920
Speaker 2: and then the fight's going to start. You know, I'm

461
00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:49,720
Speaker 2: gonna do a lot of fencing from the bottle, A

462
00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,440
Speaker 2: lot of shit that that's what's kind of was going

463
00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:54,320
Speaker 2: through my head. And then I'm like, I never thought

464
00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,480
Speaker 2: jabby right, a good right handed jabby gonna stop me.

465
00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:02,600
Speaker 2: And then I was very over There was too much

466
00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:06,320
Speaker 2: that was invincible thing that I wasn't alert enough to

467
00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,480
Speaker 2: old that guy can't hate me, you know. I was

468
00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:13,040
Speaker 2: just and and we the But the great thing was

469
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:17,080
Speaker 2: I was able to understand why I felt that way

470
00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:21,000
Speaker 2: when that started changing. And another thing too, whenever you

471
00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:24,320
Speaker 2: go to a title fight. Is a lot of opportunity,

472
00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:27,840
Speaker 2: you know, and then has another thing that has to

473
00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:30,200
Speaker 2: be with that you I can't. I came from a

474
00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:33,640
Speaker 2: very humble beginning. I hate to be kind of put

475
00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:35,520
Speaker 2: me as a victim, but it did came from that.

476
00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:38,520
Speaker 2: And whenever I saw a lot of opportunity, I just

477
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:39,880
Speaker 2: want to take you every single one.

478
00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:40,920
Speaker 3: I want to ask you about that.

479
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:44,520
Speaker 4: So you grew up in Rio under difficult circumstances in Brazil,

480
00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,280
Speaker 4: yet your household produces too UFC fighters.

481
00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:48,919
Speaker 3: You your brother Herbert, and.

482
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:52,720
Speaker 1: The other brother is decorated military officer Navy.

483
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:54,280
Speaker 3: What's your other brother's.

484
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:54,879
Speaker 2: Name, Fred?

485
00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:57,640
Speaker 3: Fred? Fred's doing big, big stuff as well.

486
00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:01,800
Speaker 4: What was it about your ronment as a child and

487
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,280
Speaker 4: and the challenges you went through that produced this this

488
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 4: thick skin, this toughness. This I say as a compliment

489
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:12,680
Speaker 4: as savage ability to go after dangerous opportunities and and

490
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:14,359
Speaker 4: and achieve them.

491
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 2: To be honest, I do believe that was the only

492
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:26,360
Speaker 2: way you know, was what stuff wasn't wasn't miserable, wasn't starving,

493
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,920
Speaker 2: was stuff but was happy on the same time, like

494
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,240
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like whenever you had something

495
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:35,560
Speaker 2: the celebration was the best. Like I don't, I don't

496
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:38,200
Speaker 2: feel like I missed a lot. For sure, I missed

497
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 2: a little things there, but I was happy as a kid.

498
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 2: You know, I never understood. But whenever he got to

499
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,920
Speaker 2: a point, I remember, whenever started doing jiu jitsu. I

500
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:51,440
Speaker 2: remember the first was a thing that happened that my

501
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:55,199
Speaker 2: dad started an opportunity he trade get paid to our

502
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,879
Speaker 2: to me and my brother start training. But whenever we

503
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,280
Speaker 2: got back home crazy because I remember my dad cray,

504
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 2: I was freaking eleven years old, and I remember my

505
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 2: dad saying, like, if you really want to train, if

506
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,440
Speaker 2: you like it, you you tried to be the best,

507
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:15,240
Speaker 2: you gotta go hard. Otherwise in three months, no more schoolarship.

508
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 2: I don't have money to pay. So those little things

509
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 2: that got into you. And then I know, if I

510
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,680
Speaker 2: don't i'll work, if I don't go hard, if I don't.

511
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:24,879
Speaker 3: Give the drive in you.

512
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,200
Speaker 4: But but not to jump over that is it true

513
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 4: that your father repared cars for a living and he

514
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,960
Speaker 4: found he had an opportunity to repair the car of

515
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 4: a jiu jitsu instructor and traded training for his sons.

516
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 3: And how about how about pops, right?

517
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:42,120
Speaker 2: There, great guy like a lot of and a lot

518
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 2: of a lot of ups and downs, so many through

519
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,359
Speaker 2: to the growing up. That was a good point that

520
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 2: changed me and my brother's life. With three black belts,

521
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 2: we all three of you, you and the oldest ones.

522
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,680
Speaker 2: He's the one that started like he kind of paved

523
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 2: the way for me and my brothers. Even that he

524
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 2: took a different path, but we that Geene that took

525
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 2: us called oriented jiu Jitsu is still there, very big

526
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,359
Speaker 2: on Nita roy in my city. And they were affiliated

527
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 2: with Norvolone. So what happened was Tuesdays and Thursdays we

528
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 2: started going to Jose Alda just came right a little

529
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 2: bit after. So I saw jose Aldo coming, but my

530
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:28,160
Speaker 2: older brother was his born partner from Charlen Vito Charlene

531
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 2: riberto when Charlene was fighting and I was looking all that,

532
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 2: and then I saw my brother is a blue belt.

533
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:38,400
Speaker 2: I was maybe yellow belt, orange belt, and my brother

534
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 2: was going like like slapping hands takedowns with Charline Charlene

535
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 2: batting the crap. Oh my brother, But he loved it

536
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 2: that my brother would keep going. They said, I remember

537
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,880
Speaker 2: back then we had nothing. Then he gave my brother

538
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 2: a hunter. Remember those hunter shorts. He gave my brother

539
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 2: hunter shorts. And then my brother was so happy, and

540
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 2: then we're going every Tuesday Thursday. And then I saw

541
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 2: t Boo was leaping in the in the gene and

542
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 2: then after a little bit came Jose all these guys.

543
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 2: So me seeing these guys, that's very young dude. And

544
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 2: another thing too, like I had my daddy for sure,

545
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 2: and my brother kind of paving the way, kind of

546
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 2: give set an example. But I saw virtual Shao Lee

547
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 2: training so hard, and then I was there with the

548
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 2: freaking orange belt. Whenever they were done training, he said,

549
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:29,880
Speaker 2: now he can come and train with me. And then

550
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 2: he was the one that he didn't even know, or

551
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 2: maybe he knew, but he was the one that pushed

552
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 2: my style a little bit because Charlie, because whenever he

553
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 2: was done, he was always everybody was then that guy's

554
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 2: keep training, he keep training. And then he was, okay,

555
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:46,479
Speaker 2: now we can come and training with me, but if

556
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 2: you stop, I'm not gonna I'm never gonna train it.

557
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 2: Do you again? So he developed me going forward, chasing going.

558
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 3: You were driven.

559
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 4: You were driven by the idea that this could be

560
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 4: the ticket out and if I don't give everything I have,

561
00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 4: I'm gonna lose this diud.

562
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 1: You know it's the ticket or did you just like

563
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:02,440
Speaker 1: it both?

564
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 2: I knew if I didn't enjoy hard we charl Lee,

565
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 2: he will never try to meet again. I know if

566
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 2: I wasn't working, I would lose. So it was kind

567
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:15,120
Speaker 2: of like a fear with the drive ding the same time.

568
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 4: You know, well, you became a respected UFC lightweight fighter

569
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 4: and one of the most decorated grapplers in the world.

570
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 3: But that transition that happened to you upon moving up

571
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 3: to welterweight.

572
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 4: We've talked about a lot, especially ahead of your title shot,

573
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,159
Speaker 4: about what that did physically, not even to cut that

574
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:31,880
Speaker 4: weight has to be a big deal, you know, Luke said,

575
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 4: first thing we walked in, I have no idea how

576
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 4: you made one fifty five back in the day. What

577
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 4: else though about that change in your career when you

578
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,639
Speaker 4: went on that wind streak? What else changed in your

579
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 4: life that fuel that change?

580
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 2: A lot of things. I think I was I was

581
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:49,360
Speaker 2: punishing my body so much to get to it to perform.

582
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 2: You know, I was just kidding my body. I remember

583
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,640
Speaker 2: I was running every day whenever he got a call

584
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,640
Speaker 2: they I'm fighting, and they whenever it passed, like last

585
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 2: three weeks, it was every order day running just to

586
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 2: make the weight in training.

587
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: How much were you eating a day at that time?

588
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 2: Not much, bro, Yeah, maybe a little bit more than that,

589
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 2: but not much, not much at all. But the stress

590
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 2: was too much, A lot of fingers was too much.

591
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 2: I couldn't get a fire. I remember he offered me sure, notice,

592
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 2: oh you want to fight these guys in three weeks

593
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:20,639
Speaker 2: four weeks and it was a good fighter. And then

594
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 2: like I can't, just because he couldn't make the weight,

595
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,640
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna make the weight. And then and then

596
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 2: my last fight at one fifty five was he in

597
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 2: Florida and I had my nutritionies. Brazilian guy, freaking high level,

598
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 2: Marcello Faire, he's very under under the lights. He has Instagram,

599
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 2: but don't use this much. But he watched them the lives.

600
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 2: He does a lot of things to work with a

601
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 2: lot of good guys in Brazil back in the days.

602
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 2: And he saw my weight cut and then when he

603
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 2: saw it was just like you cannot do that anymore.

604
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 2: He said, you know what keep you with live is

605
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 2: yourselves and you're killing a lot of yourselves with that,

606
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 2: and I look at your eyes and I remember my

607
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 2: last way cut here in Florida against Mike Davies when

608
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 2: Jocko red for Jack him Mercy. I won that fight,

609
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 2: but wow, I remember I got I was one eighty

610
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 2: on the fight week five and then I cut. I

611
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 2: can I can sweat. I still I do believe it

612
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,719
Speaker 2: can make one fifty. If I cannot fight, I cannot perform,

613
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 2: but go to the scale and make that I can't

614
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 2: make one fifty five. I'm not gonna be able to fight.

615
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 2: I have no chaine, and but mentally going to the

616
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 2: way cut I can make, so I knew it was

617
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 2: going to make. It was brutal, was hard, a lot

618
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 2: of hot baths and things. And when he saw me,

619
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 2: he was just like, you're not gonna do that anymore.

620
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 2: That's your last fight. And my wife I agree with

621
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 2: him and all the coaches, and then I win that fight,

622
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 2: and then I was just like, yeah, I'll call out league,

623
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 2: call the UFC. Said I'm gonna fight at one seventy.

624
00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 2: And then whenever I make that decision, talk to my coach.

625
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:04,479
Speaker 2: Everybody has about time. No no one coach said you're crazy.

626
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 2: Every single one finally okay, now, okay, now we talk everybody.

627
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 2: And after that decision, whenever I called the UFCA and

628
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 2: he said that, well, my next fight is going to

629
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 2: be a wealthyweight, I want to change it. It wasn't

630
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 2: like and I back training. Then I can't kind of

631
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 2: relax a little bit in my way. My weight always

632
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 2: when I make fifty five, my way was blowing up.

633
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 2: Like after I just got very big, like two hundred

634
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 2: and one ninety eight. Whenever I decided that I didn't

635
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 2: blow up, I wasn't craving nothing. I was at one ninety.

636
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 2: After that, I back, I was back in training, and

637
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 2: I just got a call, Hey, you want to fight

638
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 2: the Russian day he's even here, she's training here. And

639
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 2: now I like saying, Chamber, yeah, when I fight the

640
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 2: Russian dude twenty and no in two weeks? And I

641
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 2: say two weeks once I can make one seventy. And

642
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 2: I remember I was driving to Orlando. My kid had

643
00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 2: a Orlando open to compete in jiu jitsu. I was

644
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 2: driving and then on the way we stopping. We stopped

645
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 2: you know where, we stopping Wendy's Hooters. Five guys, five guys.

646
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 1: We stopped burns five guys burger walking through.

647
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 2: Double cheese burger chew patties and oh my, like I

648
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 2: like advice that was but I put everything and like

649
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 2: tomato and put and I was eating that burger and

650
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 2: the freaking Ali FaceTime. Mean then I was just like,

651
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 2: what's that, bro? You want to fight these dude to see?

652
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 2: What do you think? I don't know he no, I

653
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 2: think he's more stand up, take a look. And then

654
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 2: it took a look and I remember literally was eating

655
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 2: that burger fries in the night. And then at Cole

656
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 2: Harry and I like that fight. What do you think

657
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 2: two weeks you do buy if you said this fighting

658
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 2: they already Mike Perry, let's go. Let me take a look.

659
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 3: Yeah.

660
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 2: And then I talked to call On and coach and

661
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 2: we decided to take that fight.

662
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 3: And we took it all right.

663
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 4: It may have taken until the Damian Maya knockout win

664
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 4: or the you know, Woodley win for people to go,

665
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 4: oh crap, this guy's legitimate toweight title contender.

666
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 3: What was the fight for you?

667
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 4: That it was like proof of concept that you at

668
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 4: Walter Wait could potentially do some damage here at the

669
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 4: rankings two fights.

670
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 2: I don't think it was even the DEMI meyer think

671
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 2: it was that first fight because in two weeks I'd

672
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 2: be the guy that was twenty and zero, undefeited, freaking rushing, tough,

673
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 2: tough dude in the Gunder Nelson fight. Because it was

674
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,239
Speaker 2: the same thing. After one month, I got a call

675
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 2: again two weeks. Notice now in Denmark you want to see. Yeah,

676
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 2: for sure, I wanted it wasn't that bad last one.

677
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 2: Now I'm on a batter ship, but what if I

678
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 2: can do it? And after that Good and Nelson, everything

679
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 2: started changing, you know. I remember I went to Vagas

680
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 2: to the queen that I grappled there when yeah, when

681
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 2: Camara for Kobe the first time, and then I was

682
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 2: talking to Sean was annoying, shown like I was tack,

683
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 2: saying he was mad that he gave me his phone,

684
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 2: give me that title. I won a w I'm ready

685
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 2: someone pulled out. I would just And then when we

686
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 2: were there the queen that I said, bro, give me

687
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 2: an a fight, and then he said, I'm going to

688
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 2: give you a rank upon it next because after I

689
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 2: be Gon and Gonna was just out of the fight.

690
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 2: They pulled me at fifteen fourteen I became ranked, and

691
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 2: they said I'm going to give a rank it upon

692
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 2: it and then he was going through the ranking, a

693
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 2: couple of guys was kind of busy, couple of guys

694
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 2: saying no, and then he said, want to fight them?

695
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 2: And Mayer he said, for sure, what a lot of

696
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 2: respects that he go to me, But for sure I

697
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 2: want to fight them, and Maya, I think we're going

698
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 2: to get that fight done, and then took that November

699
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 2: he said that the fight was just in March. He

700
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 2: took a little wire to they get the fight done.

701
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 2: But the fight got done, and then the knockout was

702
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 2: a big thing, and then the wood of the fight.

703
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 2: But I think the Gonder Nelson fire was destroyed.

704
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 3: And you couldn't be denied. Look, I don't you know.

705
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 4: I have to bring this up because when we walked

706
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 4: into this beautiful facility that you did say because you're

707
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 4: the protector here of all things BUSHEETO and good practice.

708
00:33:59,200 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just tried not to.

709
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 3: You said, b C.

710
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 4: You know you're gonna take your shoes off. And Luke,

711
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 4: you know I I I live a certain style code

712
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 4: that I didn't wear something. Yes it's called and at

713
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 4: first I was a little bit embarrassed. But here's the

714
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 4: thing about guys like Durino and myself. He wears that

715
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 4: he wears that cauliflower ear like a badge on his

716
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 4: sleeve because it tells.

717
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:22,240
Speaker 3: The journey of how we got here. Didn't discuss showing

718
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 3: my disgusting.

719
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 4: Toes, which were of a of a lifetime of of

720
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 4: you know, of of climbing, of of of you know,

721
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 4: of persevering.

722
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:33,800
Speaker 3: When you look at my toes, what do you think, Gilbert,

723
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 3: besides nausea?

724
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 2: I figure she'd get it done. She'd go through a

725
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 2: mini car.

726
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 1: So Gilbert, let me ask you two questions from me,

727
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 1: and we could probably call here. But the first thing

728
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,320
Speaker 1: I want to know is you say what the steaks

729
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: are here? You stop a guy like Tremaia if you

730
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 1: stopped the hype train. But there might be more to it.

731
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 1: The odds came out, and I know you're gonna say

732
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:58,800
Speaker 1: you don't care, which is fine. I'm not asking you

733
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: to care. But what I would say is they have

734
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: him at a minus four hundred, which to me seems outrageous. Now,

735
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: obviously he's running a ton of hype, and the betters

736
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: are the odds makers. They put the line in a

737
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 1: certain way so they can get money. Nevertheless, as much

738
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: as we might respect you and all the hardcores respect

739
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 1: you infinitely, do you feel like a win like this

740
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 1: might reassert you, not merely as a title contender, but

741
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 1: as like I don't know outside of what the two

742
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 1: guys at the top have done Colby and Kamaru, do

743
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:30,800
Speaker 1: you feel like this is a chance to reassert yourself

744
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 1: as a dominant force after the Thompson win, after the

745
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: loss to Kamara, like sort of really putting your stamp

746
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:37,439
Speaker 1: on the division again.

747
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do think he makes it a big statement,

748
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 2: you know, especially stopping these guys not just bidding, but

749
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 2: just the best scenario there sees that guy taking me

750
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 2: down and then I'm getting up and then I'll grappling he.

751
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 2: They ain't taking me down again. I'll grapple he and

752
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 2: then eventually get in the finish. He's not gonna just

753
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 2: be that lucky punch, that luck thing. He's gonna be like,

754
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 2: oh he I'll wrestle the guy wrestle. He he defended,

755
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 2: he got back up, he did these and then he

756
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 2: got to finish. And then I think that make that

757
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 2: type of statement, like and like you said, I don't

758
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,720
Speaker 2: mind people make those odds like he doesn't.

759
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 1: It's crazy. Look if he was the favorite, I'd be

760
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 1: okay with it. Whatever there are. What they are minus

761
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,320
Speaker 1: four hundred is just disrespectful.

762
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get it. I get it because, uh, they

763
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 2: hook it fought. They just put myself like losing for

764
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 2: they hook a couple of years ago. Uh, they put

765
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 2: my fight with tomorrow. So they think these and that

766
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 2: they see the weakness, they see the little things, they

767
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 2: see a loss, and these guys they just see like wow, Garuntel,

768
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,760
Speaker 2: these guys, these oh you know, like all the hypeen

769
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 2: and then I'm why, oh, this guy is a murderer.

770
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 2: So yeah, I get it the odds, but you don't change,

771
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 2: you know. I'm I'm like, I got those questions. If

772
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 2: you fight Kobe for thought, I'm gonna trouble with the

773
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 2: same intensity. We're gonna try to knock someone out, even

774
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 2: if it's freaking them and my are nice guy, Gonna Nelson,

775
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 2: I'm gonna try to get a finished he eat that

776
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 2: type of odds or I'm not looking for the respect.

777
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 2: I'm looking for forgetting the finish, you know. And and

778
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 2: like again I got back to my goals. I want

779
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 2: to fight the best guys. I want to beat the

780
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,320
Speaker 2: best guys, and I want to become a champion. Doesn't

781
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:27,879
Speaker 2: those little things that don't let distract me as much?

782
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 1: You know?

783
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 2: It just eat is what it is. We're gonna We're

784
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 2: gonna find out.

785
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 4: All right, what if you have c Mattakers called you

786
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 4: up and said, let's say you beat you myf so

787
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 4: you get past that hurdle.

788
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 3: They say, we can either give you another title shot.

789
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 4: We can give you Connor McGregor and make you a

790
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 4: household name and give you your biggest pay day. I'm

791
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 4: going to assume by a lot at this point in

792
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:47,319
Speaker 4: your career, which one do you take?

793
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,439
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm not gonna say no for those

794
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 2: you know for a big day day, But to be

795
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,320
Speaker 2: honest with you, not lying to yourself, I want to

796
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,879
Speaker 2: become a champion more than I want that payday big.

797
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 2: I want to become a chamber like. Let let not

798
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 2: even comparing, but let's go to a freaking doing for

799
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 2: your position, and I will be freaking mad if he

800
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 2: start up five for the title, win that title, I

801
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,720
Speaker 2: fuck Connor, make all that money. I was still missing

802
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 2: something you know, like my my goal is to becoming

803
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 2: a champion before show. I want to pay day as well,

804
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,399
Speaker 2: But that's a shadow that that's that's not the goal.

805
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 2: If I want to be I want to make like

806
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 2: a big money I'll be on a freaking stock market.

807
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:36,879
Speaker 2: I would do something different. But my goal right now

808
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 2: is fry the best guys in the warld and and

809
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 2: I believe Shemia is one of these best guys in

810
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 2: the ward and I want to become.

811
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 3: A real one. Look remember that song? But where of

812
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 3: all the cowboys gone? There? Right right fucking here?

813
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 1: All right, dude, I know you're not living for this.

814
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 1: I know this is not why you compete. You compete

815
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: for yourself and your family and allose other reasons. But

816
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 1: on Sunday morning after the fight, what do you want

817
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: the MMA community to say about you?

818
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 2: That's the thing. I don't you don't care. I don't care.

819
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: Like as long as you get your hand raised, that's

820
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 1: really that's it.

821
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:11,839
Speaker 2: And then they can't say whatever they want. A couple

822
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 2: of guys. And it's so much hate out there, you know,

823
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 2: it's so much. For sure, there's a lot of love too,

824
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,839
Speaker 2: but it's so much hate. It's so much fake. He's

825
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:27,879
Speaker 2: so much that I don't expect nothing. You can say

826
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 2: whatever you want, like the what like if I change

827
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,879
Speaker 2: your question, like what do I want my wife to say,

828
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 2: my kids to say, my coach to say, my friends

829
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 2: and say yes, I wanted to be man, that was

830
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 2: a good performance. It don't matter if I lose, if

831
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 2: I won't, oh man, you freaking show up and you

832
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 2: do your best like and that's that's the main thing

833
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 2: for me. Is not the media, is not the Brazil

834
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 2: is for sure. I love I love my country. For sure.

835
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 2: I see what the media says. But this is not

836
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 2: the most important thing. Like, the most important thing is

837
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 2: my coach, my my my family and my teammates, the

838
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 2: guys that saw all the work that I put in,

839
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 2: and I show up in those guys. Be man, I'm

840
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 2: very proud of you. That's inspired.

841
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, me too. Actually, I'm actually surprised. I knew you

842
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 1: were were smart and level headed. But this is this

843
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 1: is an interesting all right. Last one for me is

844
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:21,399
Speaker 1: your family going to the fight?

845
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:22,399
Speaker 2: Yes, for sure.

846
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 1: Have they been to fights before?

847
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,399
Speaker 2: For sure? A couple of times. The little ones to Yeah,

848
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 2: the little one they love. They know all the fighters.

849
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 2: They have the they have the cards. They love the Sania,

850
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 2: they love Francis Gano.

851
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 1: Do they ever love any of your opponents? They was,

852
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 1: Do they ever love any of your opponents?

853
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 2: They like he and my kids were here today, so

854
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 2: they like Tomorrow. The little one got mad at Kama,

855
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,800
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get his balls when he saw it. And

856
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 2: then like two months after he saw tomorrow and the

857
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 2: big one say, go Tomorrow's that you say you're gonna

858
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 2: get his balls? Said now, I'm not gonna king. I

859
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 2: was just mad at him because he beat Day. But

860
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:00,919
Speaker 2: I like him. He's a nice I like some mirror

861
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 2: your some mires Kamara's daughter. So but they were there,

862
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 2: They were there when they fought Dan Hooker. They know

863
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 2: who Dan Hooker is. They say that guy beat you.

864
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 2: Daddy ain't throw a knee on you. I had a

865
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 2: big cut right here because they remember he cut you

866
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Speaker 2: after the fight there and I said, I remember that,

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Speaker 2: teach hurt, but it's part of my journey that daddy

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Speaker 2: learned so much. You know that said yeah, we know

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Speaker 2: you got better after that and that. They so they

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Speaker 2: know they know Dan Hooker. They know they've they've be

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Speaker 2: big fan of uh uh, Francis Gano, Max Holloway. They

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Speaker 2: follow everybody, so they beat a couple of my fights.

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Speaker 2: They were there when they fought Stephen Thompson, and now

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Speaker 2: they're growing up ninety seven. They want to go every

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Speaker 2: single fight and they I have my guy to do it.

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Speaker 2: Does my suit right here, Michael Russell, you're gonna make

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Speaker 2: it same soup for the kids.

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Speaker 4: Looking good, Gilbert, I was thinking though, that we'll just

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Speaker 4: we'll call it Collie Flower Tow because what it means

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Speaker 4: is I've you know, I've I've kicked a lot of ass.

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Speaker 1: I've tied my professional fortunes to this mongoloid. It's unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: Gilbert Burns going after that prize as he is daring

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Speaker 3: to be great.

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Speaker 4: Tom zatchamayav in the way, UFC two seventy three, Jacksonville, Florida.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna find out some key important answers to some

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Speaker 4: big questions as your story continues.

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Speaker 2: Best of luck to you, brother, Thank you, guys, appreciate

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Speaker 2: you