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Speaker 2: I have doctor Melvin Stith, former US officer Vietnam Military Intelligence,

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Speaker 2: Syracuse University PhD Project dot Org on the show.

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Speaker 3: Welcome, Thank you, it's great to be with you today.

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Speaker 2: Oh you know, there's a whole story that I want

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Speaker 2: to read about you right now, and I know that

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Speaker 2: we started going through you know, getting everything all squared away.

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Speaker 2: So let me pull that up real quick. And it

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Speaker 2: tells a little bit about doctor Stith's background. So let

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Speaker 2: me pull that up real quick. Here I had it, okay,

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Speaker 2: So here's what we're going to read. Doctor Stith served

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Speaker 2: in Vietnam as a commissioned officer in the US Army's

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Speaker 2: Military Intelligence Corps after graduating from college. When he returned home,

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Speaker 2: he enrolled in Syracuse University and earned his MBA and

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Speaker 2: He eventually served as dean of the school and in

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Speaker 2: Veteran Award, the university's highest honor given to alumni who

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Speaker 2: have served or are currently serving in the US to

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Speaker 2: Armed Forces. Approximately two hundred thousand service members transition from

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Speaker 2: the military service to civilian life each year, according to

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Speaker 2: the Department Offense, Some veterans may experience difficulty finding civilian

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Speaker 2: employment after leaving the service. Under doctor Stitt's leadership, Syracuse

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Speaker 2: its Office of Veterans and Military Affairs. So I was

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Speaker 2: totally interested to have you on the show, you know,

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Speaker 2: and I would love to talk more about how you know,

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Speaker 2: how old were you when you joined the military?

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Speaker 3: Well, I was twenty one.

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Speaker 4: I was an OMNIORTC scholarship student at Novia Sate University

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Speaker 3: Command and uh, pack your bags.

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Speaker 3: Then on the Ford Holiberry for the Military Intelligence program.

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Speaker 2: Can you tell my listener real quick, we'll even explain,

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Speaker 2: you know, educate myself intelligence right. We hear that some

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Speaker 4: We were doing a lot of an intelligent intellipart. We

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Speaker 4: We were not in military uniforms because we were calling

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Speaker 4: You know, we were in terms of I have an

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Speaker 3: And acceptance of one another, one another as a peer

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Speaker 2: Yes it just as a peer, just as a straight individual.

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Speaker 3: But I think that's the really important point.

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Speaker 4: You can't redo the past, but you wanted to make

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Speaker 3: It that was their call to arms.

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Speaker 4: And it actually was by really first major experience in

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Speaker 2: You know how I feel I would be that's that

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Speaker 2: uh you know redtails that fighting for the same flag man.

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Speaker 4: And and and those guys were being told what they

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Speaker 2: Believe it. In the movie, it depicts like the white

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Speaker 4: But yeah, but that that wholes operates, the whole squadron.

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Speaker 4: And they took so much pride in what they were doing.

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Speaker 2: Same way, and they weren't there.

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Speaker 3: They weren't Yeah, and they weren't there.

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Speaker 2: They didn't see that they had to go through hell

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Speaker 4: Yes, and sometimes even whether the uniform then saved them

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Speaker 4: The professors were great. I never felt overwhelm. I never

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Speaker 2: And it was well, that's nice that their philanthropy was

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Speaker 2: able to be available.

440
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Speaker 4: It's huge, yes, and it's all about halving people with

441
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Speaker 4: disabilities to have a reason to want to get up

442
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Speaker 4: every day and to work and to know that there

443
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Speaker 4: were people that cared about them. And that had just

444
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Speaker 4: led to just this wonderful programmers at Syracuse University.

445
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Speaker 2: And what a legacy they leave too by donating, you know,

446
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Speaker 2: to the housing and to the cause and to this whole.

447
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Speaker 4: Built Yes, yeah, establishing and the building is built so

448
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Speaker 4: much with people with disabilities in mind in terms of

449
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Speaker 4: making the building very easy to access, you know throughout

450
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Speaker 4: the building.

451
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Speaker 2: That's really cool.

452
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's really very few stairs, more ramps and stuff,

453
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Speaker 4: you know for people in wheelchairs or other kinds of things.

454
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Speaker 3: It's just it's it's it's an amazing program. Yeah.

455
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Speaker 4: And it started just with one person coming to me

456
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Speaker 4: saying we ought to do this, and I listened and

457
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Speaker 4: I said, let's roll, let's roll.

458
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

459
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Speaker 2: I love it.

460
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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah like it.

461
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Speaker 2: I mean I'm happy that that's what happened exactly.

462
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Speaker 3: And the same thing happened with the pH d project.

463
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Speaker 4: We we didn't think that there were it wasn't designed

464
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Speaker 4: so much for veterans, but veterans are now taking advantage.

465
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Speaker 3: We didn't think there were enough people of color.

466
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Speaker 4: Teaching in business schools, right, so we said, look, let's

467
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Speaker 4: go out and tell people. Because most people think that

468
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Speaker 4: they get that NBA, they can go out and live happily.

469
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Speaker 4: Ever after make a lot of money. They never thought

470
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Speaker 4: about getting the PhD. And we started said, let's try

471
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Speaker 4: to change this model. Some of these people might not

472
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Speaker 4: want to be in corporate America working for a big nonprofit.

473
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Speaker 4: They might want to come back to get a PhD

474
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Speaker 4: and stand in front of the classroom and teach business

475
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Speaker 4: instead of you know, being a manager every day. And

476
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Speaker 4: that happened too, and that led to a huge success.

477
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Speaker 4: We are more than called drouble. The number of people

478
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Speaker 4: of color now teaching and business schools across this country.

479
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I chuge. You have you know a Hispanic

480
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Speaker 2: African American Native American.

481
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Speaker 4: Yes, And a lot of people had never even thought

482
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Speaker 4: about that they should do this before the PhD project.

483
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Speaker 4: And when they come to the conference, we explain all

484
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Speaker 4: the information how you can do it, when you can

485
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Speaker 4: do it. And it had just been overwhelmed and successful,

486
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Speaker 4: much more successful than I think that all of us,

487
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Speaker 4: Bernie and Terror and all of us who were there

488
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Speaker 4: from the beginning thought that it would be.

489
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Speaker 2: And here it is.

490
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Speaker 3: People like that.

491
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Speaker 2: Yes, how old are you today?

492
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Speaker 3: I am seventy seven years old?

493
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Speaker 2: Seventy seven So you've seen it and grow?

494
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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, wow, like a child like we birthd it,

495
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Speaker 4: you know, we breathed it from a meeting and my

496
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Speaker 4: clan New Jersey Brendan Malano at KPMG myday in New

497
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Speaker 4: Jersey and the first night of the meeting and we're going.

498
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Speaker 3: Home that night.

499
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Speaker 4: We were the last plan to get out of New

500
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Speaker 4: Jersey because it was snowing, so but we all got home.

501
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Speaker 3: We always laugh.

502
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Speaker 4: About that, you know, but it is growing and it

503
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Speaker 4: continues to grow to this day and have an impact

504
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Speaker 4: to this day.

505
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Speaker 2: Well, we're going to try to give it a shout

506
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Speaker 2: out right now on this show. And just make sure

507
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Speaker 2: that you know PhD project dot org.

508
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Speaker 3: I think it's pad project dot org.

509
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Speaker 4: If you just google PhD project, everything gonna come up

510
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Speaker 4: all the information and the thing about that again to

511
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Speaker 4: if you're selected to come to the conferences, the conference

512
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:54,920
Speaker 4: is free and then the universities come and have a

513
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Speaker 4: like a job fan. So most of the leading and

514
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Speaker 4: PhD programs are there so you can talk to schools.

515
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Speaker 4: If you in California want to talk to the schools

516
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Speaker 4: in California, there there if you're in Florida, in New

517
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Speaker 4: York the difference, or if you want just to talk

518
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Speaker 4: to school and other parts of the country to have

519
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Speaker 4: a different experience. Most of the major PhD programs are

520
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Speaker 4: there for job fare that you meet key people that

521
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Speaker 4: you can start, you know, contacting when you want to

522
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Speaker 4: apply to those programs.

523
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Speaker 2: Who's your ideal candidate right now? If they're listening, what

524
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Speaker 2: are you looking for?

525
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Speaker 4: The idea candidate is someone who wants to get a

526
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Speaker 4: PhD and they're willing to put in the time and

527
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Speaker 4: effort to do that. You can be as young as

528
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Speaker 4: are reaching college graduate, or you can be funny as though.

529
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Speaker 4: So one person at the meeting, I'll tell you this

530
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Speaker 4: said and I was at the mic. He said, I

531
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Speaker 4: am as funny years of I get a PhD, I'm

532
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Speaker 4: could be forty five, I said, Way in five years,

533
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Speaker 4: you could be forty five, whether you have a PhD

534
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,439
Speaker 4: or not. So if you want the PhD, do it.

535
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Speaker 4: So there's no idea of candidate. The idea candidates the

536
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Speaker 4: person is willing to commit before or five years to

537
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 4: study in their writing, to get the PhD and then

538
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 4: go out on their own and build their own brand

539
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,679
Speaker 4: and their own career. And I think that's the beauty

540
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Speaker 4: of it. You know, you don't you don't have to

541
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Speaker 4: fit a certain mold to say I can be part

542
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Speaker 4: of this. You bring the mold and what you want

543
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Speaker 4: to do it. And that's the beauty of being in

544
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 4: the academy and being a college professor a university professor.

545
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 4: You build your own mode, you build your own own

546
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,679
Speaker 4: own kingdom, what on the teaching you want to do,

547
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,640
Speaker 4: the research you want to do, and then you move

548
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Speaker 4: forward on your own and you're going to have mentors.

549
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Speaker 3: I mean, we now have all types of mentors because

550
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Speaker 3: we've been in the business I think forver twenty five years.

551
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Speaker 3: The PE project has been around for twenty five years,

552
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Speaker 3: so there are mentors everywhere. Yeah.

553
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, everybody can give you some help and some advice.

554
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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. And with all of the knowledge combined, it's

555
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Speaker 2: hundreds of years of experience.

556
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Speaker 4: Hundreds of years. And it's an annual conference, so you

557
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Speaker 4: have people. And it's also now segment about discipline. So

558
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 4: there's a marketing group, there's a finance group, there's accounting group.

559
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Speaker 4: So if you're in accounting, you know that there are

560
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Speaker 4: people you can just send an email or message and

561
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Speaker 4: say hey, I need to talk with you, and and

562
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Speaker 4: and people respond.

563
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Speaker 3: So the bond is just tremendous.

564
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Speaker 2: So let's let me ask you this. You would probably

565
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Speaker 2: be in your best justice at least have a bachelor's

566
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Speaker 2: degree to apply for this.

567
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Speaker 3: Oh, you do have to have at least a bachelor's degree.

568
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,679
Speaker 2: Yes, you know, so you've had got to have some school.

569
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Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, that that's a good point. Yes, you have

570
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Speaker 4: to have at least a bachelor degree. But one of

571
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 4: the miss was you don't have to have an NBA

572
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Speaker 4: or master's degree.

573
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Speaker 3: To apply.

574
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Speaker 2: That's what I's picking up because you said about a

575
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Speaker 2: five or six year commitment.

576
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Speaker 4: You could be as youngest you want to be, as

577
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Speaker 4: old as you want to be, depending on how you

578
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 4: want to spend. Then they say maybe four or five

579
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Speaker 4: years of your of your life. That's more the key

580
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Speaker 4: than how.

581
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Speaker 3: Old you are.

582
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Speaker 2: Would you write your dissertation on?

583
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Speaker 4: It was about consumer behavior and consumer spending patterns, how

584
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 4: people decided to use that discretionary money. And we did

585
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Speaker 4: a compare to study on what African Americans would buy

586
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 4: versus what other people would buy.

587
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Speaker 2: And you know, so it was a big difference.

588
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

589
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Speaker 2: Now you know everybody's toilet paper.

590
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but people do have preferences. Sure, that's what we

591
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 3: talked about, Uh, preferences. Yeah. Right.

592
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Speaker 2: So my father, former Green Beret, he had a master's

593
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Speaker 2: degree in business and human resource management, and so I

594
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 2: feel like this would have been right up his kind of alley.

595
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Speaker 2: He was studying for his doctorate before he passed to

596
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Speaker 2: by the way, So you know, a consistency. That's why

597
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Speaker 2: I was excited to have you on. Plus, there's that

598
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Speaker 2: non love dad quote unquote. You know, now when you

599
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Speaker 2: were in the army, did you wear like the E. R.

600
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Speaker 2: D L uniform. Do you remember what is it? No,

601
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Speaker 2: I don't know this pattern? And we we will in

602
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Speaker 2: the in the military, uh, we will.

603
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Speaker 4: Greens and then we had the green khaki uniforms, the

604
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Speaker 4: khaki uniforms where the green kaki uniform was basically the

605
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Speaker 4: dress of the day. And then you could dress up

606
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Speaker 4: in greens. And then we used to call them then

607
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Speaker 4: the dress blues. They were for special case but now

608
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 4: they're more of an every day where the military has

609
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Speaker 4: really changed, you know they Yeah, but we we will,

610
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Speaker 4: you know, we will. We had the traditional military khakis,

611
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 4: you know, cotton kakis, and then in the winter you

612
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 4: had the wool kind of heavier.

613
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Speaker 2: Coats camouflage just yet No.

614
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Speaker 4: We weren't now, we didn't. We didn't get to really

615
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Speaker 4: into any any any camouflage kind of stuff.

616
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Speaker 2: Yeah that's what I was.

617
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

618
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Speaker 2: No PhD project.

619
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's amazing.

620
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just really grown people and just making them

621
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Speaker 2: to be PhDs.

622
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Speaker 4: And and what we started with the conference that people

623
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Speaker 4: come to because that gives you a sense of belonging,

624
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 4: but it also tells you whether you want to do

625
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 4: it or not. Because we don't sugar coated. We tell

626
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 4: you what to expect and and we tell people if

627
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 4: you walk away saying it's not for me, then you

628
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 4: have made a life decision on what you want to

629
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 4: do and what you want to be. And you take

630
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 4: then getting a pad off your plate and you go

631
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 4: back to work for you, you know, for corporation or

632
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 4: nonprofit or what you want to do. But then it's

633
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 4: for you. You said, Okay, you know, I want to

634
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 4: fill my plate by becoming a PhD.

635
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 2: Right, And you'll probably want them to stay within the

636
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Speaker 2: maybe the university too. It's like, hey, there's gonna probably

637
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 2: you know there.

638
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Speaker 4: And that is another thing that's I think that's a

639
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 4: really good point is that we are really trying to

640
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 4: prepare people to become university professors. We're not trying to

641
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 4: and you can't always tell people what to do, but

642
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 4: we're not just trying to get people to get a

643
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 4: pH d because they want to be a consultant and

644
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 4: have a pH d behind In the end, our primary

645
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 4: goal and primary mission is to continue to integrate the

646
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 4: head of the classroom with people of color.

647
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 3: Yes, so so that's the goal.

648
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:45,719
Speaker 4: And we tell people up front if if you're in

649
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 4: this too, become just a consultant with a PhD. We

650
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 4: we really don't want you to take a slot, but

651
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 4: you can do it on your own, you know, but.

652
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Speaker 2: Of course chase that, but you would like to try

653
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 2: to keep that pool, uh, you know full for the program.

654
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, because there's never enough people to fill these positions

655
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 4: across the United States and now and some people even

656
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 4: maybe even I should say globally if they choose to

657
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 4: do that, that we need that pressing in front of

658
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 4: the classroom.

659
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 2: You really made a big, cool program happen.

660
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Speaker 5: Yes, Yes, that's it's been.

661
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 3: It was wonderful from the beginning.

662
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 2: I bet people are looking at me like you're talking

663
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 2: to a rockstar. Rad recognize it, you know, like, and

664
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 2: I'm like, you know no, And I'm just like, you're

665
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 2: a father, you know, at a PhD, at a professor.

666
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 2: I get it.

667
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 3: I'm just a gotcha boy trying to make it.

668
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 2: That's all because every boy who's made it right. I

669
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 2: think that if you were to leave today this earth,

670
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 2: you could leave with a smile in your soul knowing

671
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 2: that you've left such an awesome, badass legacy and helped

672
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 2: helped you just help.

673
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 3: Well that's that is true.

674
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 4: I mean I have to admit that because I've gotten

675
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 4: certain recognitions and things that make know that you've had

676
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,719
Speaker 4: a tremendous impact on a number of people, and that

677
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 4: is very rewarding.

678
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 2: It's a mentor, yeah, it is. Yeah, and you have

679
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 2: mentors so many. I mean right now, I'm just I'm like,

680
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 2: what do I say to him? He's a rock star,

681
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 2: you know, he's It's like, you want to talk about

682
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 2: marketing and business strategies. It's like, you know, I want

683
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 2: to know what you wrote on I love marketing. I've

684
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 2: worked in radio television. You know that kind of marketing.

685
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 2: You know, if you have been on radio, you need

686
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 2: to be And here we are still.

687
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 3: On radio on radio, which is wonderful.

688
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 2: Yes, right, but the days have changed. Right, let's talk

689
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 2: about that marketing. Right. The days have changed where you

690
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 2: used to find the static dial and set it on

691
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 2: your jams, and then the same advertiser would always be

692
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 2: able to repeat to you.

693
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 4: Today we have, Yeah, because the listenership now is much

694
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 4: more diverse. And because one other thing that's fascinating to

695
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 4: me is because you have so much at your fingertip,

696
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 4: you don't have to listen to the commercials if you

697
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 4: don't want to anymore.

698
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 2: Exactly do you even pay for commercial free?

699
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 4: You could be commercial free, And that's what I More

700
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 4: and more, you know, people are trying to pace stuff.

701
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 4: When you open up a site, the first thing you

702
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 4: see the commercial or something you know, before you can

703
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 4: get to get to you and get to to other people,

704
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 4: because they have to respond to the change of the environment.

705
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 4: Because I mean, if I could, I could take your

706
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 4: show and just blast you if you had commercials and

707
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 4: not ever listen to one.

708
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 2: Man, I'm like, okay, back to the show. You know,

709
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 2: I don't mean that.

710
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 3: With you advertising, but but they understand that my.

711
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 2: Heads are in the trenches here man, I'm I'm I'm

712
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 2: bringing the talent.

713
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 3: But they understand.

714
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 4: They find numerous ways to get you to hear about

715
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 4: their products, to hear about their services.

716
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 2: So well, like on some of these big streaming services.

717
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 4: They stream it, they do different things now, so they

718
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 4: have they have a justin well you can tell them

719
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 4: about the cost of what people pay down to be

720
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 4: on a streaming service or you know, all such shows,

721
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 4: high power shows like yours.

722
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 2: So well, now they have like digital billboards all over

723
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 2: the place where you can just pay like eight cents

724
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,359
Speaker 2: yeah for a ten second blip, you know, and then

725
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 2: and the average person drive on the f takes like

726
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 2: seven to thirteen seconds to read a billboard. So if

727
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 2: you have something like.

728
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,399
Speaker 3: A word, yeah, but then you're going to go back

729
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 3: to what was that? What was that about?

730
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 4: So in the West, appetite to say, okay, I missed

731
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 4: it this time, what were they really talking about? And

732
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 4: so the next time you say, you might pay attention

733
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 4: sy And that's part of the way to get people

734
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 4: to to actually there at some point, pay some attention.

735
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 4: And that's why they're so quick now, because they wanted

736
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,240
Speaker 4: just to plan a ceed for you to come back

737
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 4: to say, well, what.

738
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 3: Were they really about? What were they really about? What

739
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 3: were the product? What would the service?

740
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 2: We call that keyword spamming?

741
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, Okay, yeah.

742
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 2: It makes sense. So my my business here, I just

743
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 2: have one word and it says Airsoft.

744
00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:58,359
Speaker 3: See yeah.

745
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,839
Speaker 2: Every time somebody drives by it, they see a thousand cars, right,

746
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 2: and then google is then I know what it is, right,

747
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 2: and then they come in. I always ask everybody, how

748
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 2: come you're here? Yes, I ask everybody that because I'm

749
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 2: so I'm like and they're like, oh, I just saw

750
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 2: your sign about forty times and I finally came in

751
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 2: from work, like there we go. Yeah, you know on

752
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 2: the internet or you know, saw YouTube video I love.

753
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 2: I love to dive down and dive deep on how

754
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 2: did you get into my store? Right? Yes, that's correct. Yeah,

755
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:32,919
Speaker 2: it's the marketing in me because I'm guerrilla marketing. Yes,

756
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 2: exactly at its finest, Like right now I'm talking about

757
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 2: my airsoft shop. See it's just gorilla marketing.

758
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 3: Get it the word out, and that's right, exactly right.

759
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,720
Speaker 2: Because if you want to play war games in Utah,

760
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 2: I'm your huckleberry. You can find me and then I

761
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 2: take care of you, or anywhere. I got friends all

762
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 2: over the place. You want to play in Nevada, Look

763
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 2: these guys up. But you know, it's that kind of

764
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 2: marketing that you know that.

765
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 3: Bring people in.

766
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 2: The recruiters need to do that with the military.

767
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, not so bold. Yeah, you know, you know speaking

768
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 4: or goodness is really having a tough time.

769
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,720
Speaker 2: Yeah. Do you think it's branding? Do you think it's marketing?

770
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 2: What do you think is a military person?

771
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 4: I just think the demographics are there, you know, and

772
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 4: uh remember and for instance, when I was back in

773
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 4: college the first two years of alr TC was manager

774
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 4: at the Latin Grand Institution.

775
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 3: That doesn't happen anymore.

776
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 4: And the largest age in terms of demography has passed

777
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 4: through the system. We don't have the big democracy groups

778
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 4: coming at seventeen eighteen's anymore. You know, it's a smaller,

779
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 4: smaller pool to to try to recruit people to join us.

780
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 4: John serious, And I'm not sure, And again I don't

781
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 4: I don't know, so I'm probably speaking out of terror.

782
00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 4: I don't know how well the militaries are really marketing

783
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 4: the skills set in changing to what they really need

784
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 4: to suit what they need to do, and how innovative

785
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 4: they are in terms of so what they'll say to

786
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,919
Speaker 4: a kid is, look, okay, you take the test.

787
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 3: You failed it, so you can't get in. Well maybe,

788
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 3: and I've.

789
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 4: Seen a couple of these they're beginning to do this,

790
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 4: just say, some of the kids, but we're going to

791
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 4: put you in kind of a boot camp to have

792
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 4: you improve some of the skills that you need to

793
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 4: be in the military for what we need. And we're

794
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 4: going to invest in you and if you and if

795
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 4: you you do this, then you'll move into a military

796
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 4: you know, opposition. So the militant is going to have

797
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 4: to invest the money up front to recruit people to

798
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 4: to come to be part of that military community. Whether

799
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 4: they said either you're in or you're out, you know right,

800
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:55,879
Speaker 4: you know, yeah, you know, just say okay, you pass

801
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 4: the tests and you're in. Well, and as I and

802
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 4: I told some people, especially with the young African American

803
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 4: kids in the steam areas with the military when I

804
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 4: was the ancient president of Norfolk State and the coast

805
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 4: count trying to have these kids in the Navy was

806
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 4: trying to get these kids Anna invest David Progress said, look,

807
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 4: you're competing against some of the world cooperations that's paying

808
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 4: these kids six figures right out of undergraduate school.

809
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 3: And you wanted to be in a ship under water

810
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 3: for six pus. There you have it.

811
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 4: You know, unless you change what you're doing, how you

812
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 4: how you're going to go about and what you're gonna

813
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 4: invest in these these you might get one or two,

814
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 4: but you're not going to get a big quarter because

815
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 4: you can't compete with the microns and and you know

816
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 4: the other big now with all the its AI stuff

817
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 4: coming and all these exciting new careers coming with these

818
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 4: kids from the same area. Yeah, who are recruiting already,

819
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,399
Speaker 4: and they recruit. So what when I remember I talking

820
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 4: about investment, So what do they do? They take these

821
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 4: kids as sophomores or junius and they give them what

822
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 4: they call internships. But that's just a pre recruiting deal

823
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:02,240
Speaker 4: that if you do well when you finish your undergrad degree,

824
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 4: they're gonna hire you.

825
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 3: The military doesn't do anything like that.

826
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 4: You take the test and either you fail it and

827
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 4: you go on your way, or you are you passing,

828
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 4: then we might talk to you.

829
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 3: But they have an advancement thing up front.

830
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 4: They have that presson pass the test and exactly or

831
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 4: stuff like that, right, so they have to be a

832
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 4: lot more proactive up front. They're just waiting for somebody

833
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,919
Speaker 4: to walk through a recruiting door to say I wanted

834
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 4: John the Army of that force, David Marines or Coast Guard.

835
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 3: You ain't gonna get the numbers.

836
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 2: Oh right, you know, yes, Yeah, it's not so much

837
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 2: it's like, how are you competing in the career field exactly?

838
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 3: And who is really your competition?

839
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 2: Yes, because you do have competition, because it is a

840
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 2: career field. You could be twenty thirty years and you

841
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:50,359
Speaker 2: can go all the way to sixty five years old

842
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:52,320
Speaker 2: in the military if you have a great.

843
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 3: Career, if that's what you choose to do.

844
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 2: Exactly. Yeah, So the military needs to kind of groom

845
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 2: maybe this seventeen year old who they say hey, your

846
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 2: mask or suck you're out, and say hey, you know

847
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,760
Speaker 2: what we have like an army math program.

848
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 3: And try to show them some Korea paths, you know, and.

849
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 2: Extending olive branch to them exactly, say hey, we are

850
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 2: here for you.

851
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 5: We're not going to sweep you out, and you can

852
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 5: have a good career path that's correct, and tell the

853
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:22,479
Speaker 5: person how they envisioned certain things happen. You're playing out

854
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 5: for you to become, you know, East sixty seven or

855
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,760
Speaker 5: a clonel or maybe even a flag officer.

856
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 2: Right, you know. And so I mean, if that kid's

857
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:36,399
Speaker 2: out there thinking, well, hey, I can either go work

858
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 2: over here for thirty dollars an hour or work in

859
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 2: the military for ten bucks an hour plus clothing, housing,

860
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 2: and maybe little and then.

861
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 4: The importus of those survival things that you need like food,

862
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 4: shelter and health benefits. Right, And because young people don't

863
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 4: calculate that into what they think they need to be

864
00:40:58,640 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 4: to live.

865
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 2: Initially, know, they just want to go out and buy

866
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 2: the flash and get it and have it, and then

867
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 2: they're like, oh, I oh on it. Six years later you.

868
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 3: Have access to finances and access to cats.

869
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 2: Right, And I'm not saying it has to be you know,

870
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 2: it doesn't have to be like a general salary for

871
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 2: a private, but it has to be competing.

872
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 3: It's somewhat competing because you're competing against other people.

873
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 4: And it's also the freedom of fectibility that you have

874
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:23,399
Speaker 4: because the military, you know, you're gonna have some rules

875
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 4: and regulations that you have to follow. But if I'm

876
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,240
Speaker 4: not in the military, I have a little more freedom,

877
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 4: personal freedoms because you do give up some personal freedom

878
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 4: to be part of a team in the military.

879
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 2: Because the patriot, let's talk about the patriot out there,

880
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 2: they're going to join, You're not going to make them

881
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 2: enough money to do with that job. It's the guy

882
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 2: that's like, I need to go to a career and

883
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 2: I want to work sonar or air traffic controller. You know,

884
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 2: you may have a civilian air traffic controller who could

885
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 2: go military air traffic controller. What are you gonna do?

886
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 2: And to entice that guy at least be National Guard

887
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 2: in the system to help out. I mean, you know

888
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 2: air traffic controllers. If you're out there, you want to

889
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 2: be an air traffic controller? Hit him up, tell him

890
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:05,439
Speaker 2: RAT sent you.

891
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 4: Best place to start to get the training and experiences

892
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,879
Speaker 4: in the military plans.

893
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 3: All over the world.

894
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 2: Here I have nineteen year olds coming into my airsoft

895
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 2: shop wanting to play war games, and I'm like, what

896
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 2: are you gonna do with yourself? He's like, I want

897
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 2: to fly a commercial. I was like, I was like,

898
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 2: as he said commercial, I said, you need to go

899
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 2: to the military. He's like, no, I'm just doing a

900
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 2: civilian program to learn how to fly commercial. But you

901
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 2: could commit to the military and get through all of

902
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 2: that and still get that experience and.

903
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 4: You don't have to pay for it that yes training program.

904
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 3: He is in the private market player. I don't know

905
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 3: what something that costs.

906
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 2: I bet you someone in his school that's teaching him

907
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:51,760
Speaker 2: is former military. A funny feeling, I have a hutch exactly.

908
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 2: Someone tells me he's flown some rubber dog dude out

909
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 2: of Hong Kong or something. You know that guy some

910
00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 2: top gun quote two guys. Now you're gonna go round

911
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 2: the school.

912
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,959
Speaker 3: Yes, give that good military training.

913
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 2: Exactly and shoulder shoulderness. You know, there's nothing like that.

914
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 4: And it also has talked how to be part of

915
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 4: a te how to deal with people again from diverse environment,

916
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 4: because we're doing the military. People come from all walks

917
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:20,800
Speaker 4: of life, which is wonderful.

918
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 2: Well, as a manager yourself, you know, it's about surrounding

919
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 2: yourself with good people to make you look like a

920
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:26,800
Speaker 2: good manager.

921
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 3: That's what happens. Yes, yes, yeah, yeah, so you do

922
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 3: as they do. People work for you that's smarter than

923
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:34,280
Speaker 3: you because they're gonna make you smarter.

924
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:38,320
Speaker 2: That's right, Like I just got smarter off this interview.

925
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 3: No, you're very kind.

926
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:41,879
Speaker 2: Oh stop, you're very kind.

927
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Speaker 3: Really interest Yeah, so.

928
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:47,439
Speaker 2: You know I've had you for a good forty five

929
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,399
Speaker 2: minutes talking about you know, the PhD project dot org,

930
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 2: talking about how you grew the Syracuse University, you know,

931
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,879
Speaker 2: diversity program for PhD me e PhD project dot org.

932
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:02,439
Speaker 2: I love your picture is on your wall and yes,

933
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 2: I just want to let you know that and I

934
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 2: hold you in the highest regards of that.

935
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 3: Oh, well, I appreciate it.

936
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 4: Yes, Actually, uh, the lady was Actually my wife worked

937
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 4: and then actually I was here in graduate school. They

938
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:19,320
Speaker 4: look the lady. Actually that was paid by a prisoner,

939
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 4: is that right? Martin Luther King picture. My wife was

940
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 4: in the audience and he was on the stage. This

941
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 4: is an amazing picture if you can.

942
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 2: See this, and he's so young and he's just showing.

943
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 4: Well, the guy sitting next to my wife said, I'm

944
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 4: gonna take this picture of Martin Luther King because I

945
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:36,879
Speaker 4: think he was waiting to speak, and when it comes out,

946
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 4: I want to give you one. That's the way that

947
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 4: picture came out. Amazing. It's just like it's so it's like,

948
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 4: is there every things he stood for?

949
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 2: Right?

950
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 4: And and so the uh, it's the pictures that my

951
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 4: wife has one the guy kept one as the one

952
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,240
Speaker 4: is that the King Center in Atlanta.

953
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 3: Those are only three of that pictures.

954
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh wow that so it's even on display. Yeah,

955
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 2: I just wanted to mention that to you in the background. So, yeah,

956
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 2: you're very welcome. We see it works. Yeah, no, no, no,

957
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 2: this works. This is great. You know.

958
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's one of my favorite rooms. Yeah.

959
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad you brought the show to the room

960
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 2: here where we could display those wonderful pieces of art. Okay,

961
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 2: of huge the computer will it will Yes, it has,

962
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 2: and you've been wonderful, Doctor Melvin Stiff of the United

963
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 2: States Army Officer Military Intelligence. Now you're a dad and

964
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 2: a grandpa. Let's go army. Let's go army. That's right.

965
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:49,879
Speaker 2: My dad agrees with me, right, but he hadn't right

966
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 2: exact that's right. So with that said, I'm gonna say,

967
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 2: go support our merch Go check the book store out

968
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 2: for any of my listeners. Do that on behalf of

969
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 2: doctor Stiff and myself and Syracuse University.

970
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 4: Program for the young men and women getting out and

971
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 4: look at Syracuse. It's a great place to continue your education.

972
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 4: You're going to find one of the most supportive environments,

973
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 4: and if not, I'll say the most supportive in the

974
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:20,360
Speaker 4: US academy.

975
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Speaker 2: And they broke him down in the bottom of the

976
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 2: website for people and click on it. Just go straight

977
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 2: to the website exactly. Okay, okay, so we'll have that

978
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Speaker 2: all set up.

979
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Speaker 3: Oh great, we appreciate it.

980
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 2: And thanks to William for coming to Hell.

981
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, William bailed me out, yes, but he made it quicker.

982
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 2: Yes, And I'm going to give a shut out. I

983
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Speaker 2: think to pat I heard you say.

984
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Patricians my wife in fifty three years.

985
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Speaker 2: I think we should give her a shot one more time.

986
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 4: Yes, she did all the hard work for me to

987
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 4: get to Syracuse University. I told her the press day

988
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 4: I saw her, I'm going to marry you one day.

989
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's up? And it worked out. You're a determined individual.

990
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 3: I know what I want. That's what's up. That's what

991
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 3: I love it exactly.

992
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 4: You've been a very well You're a wonderful host, and

993
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:06,839
Speaker 4: in the future, reach out to me if you think

994
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 4: I could be helpful and all. It was really been

995
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 4: and it's always a pleasure for us to talk about

996
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:12,800
Speaker 4: the PD project.

997
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:14,839
Speaker 3: It means so much to me and as well as

998
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 3: Syracuse universe. And it's specially the Veterans program.

999
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 2: I can I already know and same here. I'm so

1000
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 2: excited to have you on and thank you for making

1001
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 2: me fit on your schedule on this beautiful Sunday right

1002
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:27,399
Speaker 2: after Veterans Day. So happy Veterans Day too.

1003
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Speaker 4: It was great, yes, but we had a great ter

1004
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 4: Day series of activities here in town.

1005
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:35,839
Speaker 2: I'm sure, I'm sure if you were there, it was

1006
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:36,839
Speaker 2: a it was a rock star show.

1007
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 3: Okay, well you take care of yourself.

1008
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Speaker 2: Back you too, Dean, Thank you so much. And on

1009
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:45,399
Speaker 2: the behalf of all of us, here a soft rep

1010
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 2: and the Dean. I'm saying peace.

1011
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Speaker 1: You've been listening to self reparata.