1 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 1: Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan. I guess some folks 2 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 1: might think that, given my profession as a medical legal 3 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 1: death investigator, that I have a morbid fascination with death. 4 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:34,559 Speaker 1: I wouldn't say that. I certainly have a fascination with 5 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: a science, something I have always had an attraction to, 6 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 1: and I mean that in a pure of sense. Our graveyards. 7 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:48,159 Speaker 1: There's something about the way the dead or remembered stone 8 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 1: monuments that are created that are left behind by those 9 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: that once walked among us, and they're to different degrees, 10 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 1: aren't they. You can actually learn a lot about maybe 11 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: a family history based upon how much money was spent 12 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 1: in memorializing family members. But Stone says something. It has 13 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 1: a permanence to it. You know, if you think about 14 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 1: a wooden cross and it just doesn't hold up like Stone. 15 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 1: I want to talk about a tune that was created 16 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 1: in haste for a young woman who lost her life 17 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:33,039 Speaker 1: in a most horrible way. Today we're going to have 18 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 1: a discussion about the kidnapping, murder and concrete encasement of 19 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 1: the remains of Esma Relda Gonzalez. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan, 20 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: and this is Body Bags Dave mac I want to 21 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 1: ask you something. I'm from New Orleans. We're famous for 22 00:01:56,400 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 1: our graveyards down home. People take tours, you know. Many 23 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 1: of our listeners have been to New Orleans and I've 24 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: spent time just walking through the grace because it's amazing. 25 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 1: It's like walking through a huge kind of museum, if 26 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 1: you will, an outdoor museum that never seems to diminish. 27 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 1: Everywhere you turn. There's beauty to it. But in case today, 28 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 1: there's not much beauty involved in this. As a matter 29 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: of fact, it may be one of the more horrible 30 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 1: things we've covered it in some time. 31 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 2: When I think about forensics, Joe and I think about it. 32 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 2: Oftentimes when we cover stories and the crime, you cover 33 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 2: a lot of background. When we get into the forensic, 34 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 2: the body bags part, it oftentimes would not make sense 35 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 2: if you didn't have more of the story, like knowing 36 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 2: what the significance is of a person being placed inside 37 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 2: a cement tomb. That boggles my mind when it comes 38 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 2: to the death of Esmurel de Gonzalez. There are so 39 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:56,959 Speaker 2: many aspects of this particular story, and if any of 40 00:02:57,040 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 2: you have followed it, if you didn't follow each step 41 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 2: along the way, you missed a major thing. Starting right 42 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:06,239 Speaker 2: off the bat, A beautiful twenty four year old Instagram model. Okay, 43 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 2: that's for starters. Three hundred thousand followers, that's nothing to 44 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 2: sneeze at. I don't know if you do Instagram and 45 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 2: stuff like that, but having three hundred thousand followers, that's good. 46 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:18,839 Speaker 2: You're onto something there. Her family said that Esmerelda had 47 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 2: gone to school and was looking forward to going to 48 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 2: law school. Beautiful, smart, but she did have a few 49 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 2: issues along the way that brought her into a situation 50 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:32,959 Speaker 2: in Las Vegas and the suburbs of Vegas that it's 51 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 2: just heartbreaking. The family is crushed. They oftentimes looked at 52 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 2: Esmerelda Gonzalez she was so smart, and looked at her 53 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 2: as somebody they needed to protect from the world and 54 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 2: the craziness in the world, And in this particular case, 55 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 2: they were unable to protect her from herself and the 56 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 2: crazies that she ended up with. I don't as she 57 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 2: became involved with them at all. I think she ended 58 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 2: up with them purely out of happenstance as much as 59 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 2: anything else. 60 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, and they don't call Vegas sense it for nothing. Look, 61 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: I mean, who am I to throw stones at Vegas. 62 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: I've enjoyed myself in Vegas many times. But you have 63 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 1: a lot of hustlers out there, you have a lot 64 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: of people that are trying to make a buck any 65 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 1: way that they possibly can, and sometimes, you know, you 66 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: get off into these very dark areas. In es Morelda's case, 67 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: use a metaphor her tiny little ship, the rudder on 68 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 1: her ship. It was impacted by mental illness. She, according 69 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:29,599 Speaker 1: to her family, you know, was dealing with multiple issues, 70 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 1: you know, everything from schizophrenia to bipolar. 71 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:34,280 Speaker 2: I'm glad you brought that up because it was her 72 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 2: brother that said this early on in the investigation. Joe, Yeah, 73 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 2: he's the one that said it. And oftentimes that's not 74 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 2: something people lead with because immediately if you say this 75 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 2: person is living with mental illness, okay, immediately and I 76 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 2: guess we're bad like this, but we immediately say, oh, 77 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 2: it's her fault. Yeah, yeah, you know what, nobody deserves 78 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 2: to have what happened to her. Mental illness is something 79 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 2: that needs to be treated. It's not something that needs 80 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:59,919 Speaker 2: to be used as an excuse for bad behavior of others. 81 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: You know, absolutely not. As a matter of fact, it's 82 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 1: even more striking when you consider that you've got someone 83 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:11,720 Speaker 1: that is essentially this handicapped in a world that's very dynamic, 84 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 1: moving quickly, you're surrounded by people that are predators and look. 85 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 1: Predators can spot folks that are weak in particular areas. 86 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 1: If you know people that have drug addiction problems, predators 87 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 1: can take advantage of that by enticement and those sorts 88 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 1: of things. If you have an individual that is suffering 89 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 1: from some type of mental illness, particularly that makes them paranoid, 90 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 1: you can threaten them and then promise to protect them 91 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:41,359 Speaker 1: from those things that they think they're seeing or that 92 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 1: they're hearing, and they can be easily manipulated. Or if 93 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 1: you have a sadistic streak running through you, you can use 94 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:56,159 Speaker 1: that to your advantage to terrify the person and keep 95 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 1: them in a state of terror. And I got to 96 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: tell you that's a sense what happened with es morel Today. 97 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:04,840 Speaker 2: When we think of Vegas, oftentimes we think of the 98 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 2: Vegas Strip and movies about Vegas, or I've never actually 99 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 2: been Joe. Knowing myself the way I do, that's not 100 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 2: a good place for me to go. I'm that guy 101 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 2: that would lose five dollars on a slot machine and 102 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:18,039 Speaker 2: mortgage my house trying to get it back, so I 103 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:21,040 Speaker 2: avoid that in this particular case where es Morel di 104 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 2: Gonzalez lived in Las Vegas, and she was an Instagram model, 105 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 2: as we mentioned on May thirty first, which in the 106 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 2: desert of Vegas it gets hot early. It's not like 107 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:31,840 Speaker 2: in other parts of the country where late May can 108 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 2: oftentimes be like springtime. It's dead summer in Vegas at 109 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 2: this time. And mis Gonzales, as we mentioned, she had 110 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 2: some mental health things going on. She had been seen 111 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 2: wearing lingerie and high heels trying to work a deal 112 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 2: on a car at a car dealership. Okay, not something 113 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:52,040 Speaker 2: people would normally do. But in the pre dawn hours 114 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 2: of May thirty first, she was seen on surveillance cameras 115 00:06:55,760 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 2: walking in her neighborhood wearing the lingerie and seemed to 116 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 2: be unsteady on her feet, and she knocks on the 117 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 2: door of a house and I don't know who she 118 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 2: asked for or way she said, but the people living 119 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 2: in the home said, you're at the wrong house, dear. 120 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:13,679 Speaker 2: When she left that house in the pre dawn hours 121 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 2: of May thirty first, she went to another house. What 122 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 2: she ran into was not somebody who said, no, you're 123 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 2: at the wrong house. It was somebody who said, I'm 124 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 2: the devil, come in and let's party. And this is 125 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 2: where the kidnapping comes in, when she knocked on that 126 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 2: wrong door and was taken into Christopher Presteppino's house, where 127 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 2: all of the evil that can befall any one person 128 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 2: began with a five foot tall, twenty four year old 129 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 2: Instagram model. 130 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, and the thing about this Prespatino character is that 131 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 1: he's a felon who has previously been hooked up on 132 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 1: drug charges, certainly been on probation, and has been associated 133 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:57,239 Speaker 1: with cooking meth. 134 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 2: Actually that was one of his charges. He had gone 135 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 2: to jell as early as I think two thousand and 136 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 2: two thousand and one on drug charges, and in two 137 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 2: thousand and five he actually was convicted. He was actually 138 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 2: far deeper into it than most people would ever get 139 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 2: as a multi drug dealer. But he did have a 140 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 2: job too. 141 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he did. And I got to say something 142 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 1: about this. We I was amazed just this past year, 143 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 1: this last iteration of crime con We were actually here, 144 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: we were at he worked for Valley's Paris. You know 145 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 1: they're both connected. We were walking these same hallways at 146 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: Crime Con this past year and where we were doing 147 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: presentations and everything relative to true crime. Body Bags had 148 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:42,719 Speaker 1: a table set up there on podcast row, And when 149 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: I saw that he worked there as a stage hand 150 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 1: and had been working there Dave for a while, I 151 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 1: think he got I think yeah, I think he got 152 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 1: his first gig in like nineteen ninety nine. So it's 153 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 1: not like this guy is not familiar with the environment, 154 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:58,839 Speaker 1: like he just kind of was plopped down in the 155 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 1: middle of it. Stands the guts. He knows how the 156 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:05,439 Speaker 1: sausage is made in this environment, and more than likely 157 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 1: he can spot people a mile away and know who 158 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 1: is easily preyed upon. 159 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 2: Perhaps, and that's probably the exact explanation of what happened 160 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:17,199 Speaker 2: to prey upon. When somebody shows up at your house 161 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:20,719 Speaker 2: in the pre dawn hours dressed in lingerie and high 162 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 2: heels and doesn't know where they are and they're at 163 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 2: the wrong house and you say, no, this is the 164 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 2: right house, come on in. They tied her up. 165 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: It's important to understand that this guy has actually got 166 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 1: a girlfriend as well who was involved in this with him, 167 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: And I don't quite understand the degree of her involvement. 168 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 1: But I do know this that once he got her 169 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 1: as Marialda fragile, probably not taking medication. Once he got 170 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 1: her inside this house, Dave all hell broke loose because 171 00:09:57,320 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 1: he gave her myth. He tied her to a check. 172 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:19,959 Speaker 1: Then he said she started speaking with a devil's tongue. 173 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 1: A little known fact about your host. And when I 174 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 1: was in college, I actually worked as a psych tech. 175 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 1: And it's not that I had special training in psychology. 176 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: I was an undergraduate student. But what I did have 177 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 1: was I was a bigger guy that was kind of quiet. 178 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 1: I could work on the psych unit and then particularly 179 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: they had me working with acute patients that and what 180 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 1: that means is that patients that had a tendency toward 181 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 1: acting out and violence and that sort of thing. So 182 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 1: essentially I became a person that would restrain individuals. I 183 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 1: witnessed a lot even in that short period of time 184 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:00,559 Speaker 1: that I worked in that environment. And what I conclusion 185 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:04,319 Speaker 1: that I arrived at was that people that are suffering 186 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:07,559 Speaker 1: from acute mental illness, in particular those that are not 187 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: taking their medication. First off, they're fragile first and secondly, 188 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 1: they can act violently when they're confronted or cornered in 189 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 1: any manner. You take a drug like methamphetamine and you 190 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 1: apply it to someone Dave, and you talk about a 191 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 1: recipe for disaster, You talk about a violent reaction. It's 192 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 1: something that I don't know if anybody can really understand 193 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 1: unless they witness it. 194 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 2: It actually is something that goes beyond what then I 195 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 2: say normal, But I don't want to act like what 196 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:45,320 Speaker 2: you have done in your life is abnormal, Judge. It's 197 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:47,439 Speaker 2: just we don't have that experience. We don't have the 198 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 2: same experience you have. I've been in radio and television 199 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 2: my entire adult life, so I can talk about camera angles, lighting, 200 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 2: microphones and things like that, whereas you can talk about 201 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 2: the inner workings of the body and as it starts 202 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 2: to break down after death, and how it can lead 203 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 2: you back to the guy, the person that did the crime. 204 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 2: Everything you say is foreign to me. My question here 205 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 2: is that this young woman twenty four years old, five 206 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 2: feet tall, she knocks at the wrong door at in 207 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 2: the pre dawn hours and is invited in. She's fairly quickly, 208 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 2: according to prosecutors. Tied to a chair by Christopher Press, Tippino. 209 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 2: He ties her up to a chair, feeds her methomphetamine. 210 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 2: That's when you mentioned the other issues that she, as 211 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 2: Morella dealt with. As Marilla Gonzalez, according to her family, 212 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 2: was bipolar, schizophrenic, and she started saying things that just 213 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 2: sounded crazy, evil, and in his own psyche thought he 214 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 2: was dealing with somebody who was speaking the devil, and 215 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 2: he ropes in his girlfriend and his roommate to now 216 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 2: help him deal with the problem. He decides to undo her. 217 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 2: He's kept her trying. According to prosecutors, he kept her 218 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 2: tied up for a few days. Joe, what would that 219 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 2: do to somebody being tied up? Not just for a 220 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 2: couple hours we're having fun playing games. We're talking about 221 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 2: a number of days of being tied up. You don't 222 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 2: know what's going on. What would that do to a 223 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 2: person who already is walking a fine line of mental health. 224 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 1: We all have this kind of sense about us where 225 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 1: you get the hair you know that'll stand up on 226 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 1: the back of your neck if you feel uncomfortable. You know, 227 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: it kind of is like this kind of indwelling thing 228 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 1: that tells us beware, there's a danger ahead. Imagine if 229 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 1: you live in that heightened state all of the time. 230 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 1: If you're paranoid, for instance, you believe that people are 231 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 1: after you. And then you couple that with some of 232 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: the other issues that come along with schizphrenia, like auditory hallucinations, 233 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 1: maybe visual hallucinations. It makes for a horrible set of circumstances. 234 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 1: And if somebody has given you methamphetamine, which is going 235 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 1: to ramp you up at a baseline physiological state, you know, 236 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:59,959 Speaker 1: where a profuse sweating, you know, heart palpitations, shallow breathing, 237 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:04,559 Speaker 1: the world is racing anyway. I've always kind of envisioned 238 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 1: it to be like a horror show, which is really 239 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 1: amazing because it's so highly addictive. And then can you 240 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 1: imagine being caught in that loop. So you take someone 241 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 1: that has this kind of mental illness and then apply 242 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: the drug to them, Yeah, they're going to start, probably 243 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 1: at least in your perception, speaking with the devil's tongue 244 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 1: because they can't get loose. And the critical error that 245 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 1: was made here is that she threatened to call the 246 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 1: police about the drugs. I guess in some lucid moment. 247 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 1: And this is a guy that keep in mind, he's 248 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 1: been hooked up on felonious charges before he is a felon. 249 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 1: He's a felon, and he knows what's going to happen 250 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 1: to him because he's looking at this, He's been around 251 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 1: other people that have been charged and probably convicted of kidnapping. 252 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 1: He knows that he's involved in a kidnapping event at 253 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 1: this point in time, and he's had this girl restrained. 254 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: Now he's getting off into the area of torture day. 255 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 1: Obviously there are sexual elements to this. He's probably sexualized 256 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: her in some way. I don't know if he actually 257 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 1: and I don't know that we will ever know if 258 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 1: he put his hands on her, if he raped her, 259 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 1: or whatever the case might be. Now I don't believe 260 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: that he was actually charged with that, but one never 261 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 1: knows what has happened. And this goes more toward her 262 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 1: state of mind. But what he did understand is that, 263 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 1: at least in his mind, he had to find a 264 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 1: way to make her be quiet. And secondly, once he 265 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 1: kind of crossed that rubicon, if you will dead body 266 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 1: on his hands, now, what in the world are you 267 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 1: going to do? And backing up Dave on top of it, 268 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 1: he injected this poor woman allegedly with pool cleaner, you know, 269 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: and there's any number of compounds that are out there 270 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 1: that pool cleaner is made from. None of them are 271 00:15:56,800 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: compatible with life. But apparently what happened was that it 272 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 1: didn't kill her. So now he's got to close in 273 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 1: and he's got to finish her off. What is believed 274 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: to have happened at this moment with all screaming, the shouting, 275 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 1: the torture. She's been restrained for all of these days 276 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 1: in a place that she just walks up to the door. 277 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 1: As you painted that picture, she walks into hell essentially, 278 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 1: and now he's faced with having to quiet her in 279 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 1: an attempt to take her life. I would assume he 280 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 1: injects her with a pool cleaner doesn't do the job, 281 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 1: so now he does have to put his hands on her, 282 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 1: and it's at that point in time that he asphyxiates 283 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: her day asphyxiator. 284 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 2: Now she's sitting in a chair, she's been tied up. 285 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 2: One thing I did want to bring up, Okay, you 286 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 2: said in a lucid moment, she said, I'm calling the cops. 287 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 2: In that lucid moment, Okay, they untied her hands. She 288 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 2: hit him as Marelda was lucid enough to try to 289 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 2: get away. She hit him right in the face as 290 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 2: soon as her hands were free. She wanted to get away. 291 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 2: I want to make sure everybody knows that in that moment, 292 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 2: she knew what had befallen her, and she tried to 293 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 2: get away. She fought back. That's when they injected the 294 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 2: pool cleaner. And I've got a real question for you 295 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 2: about that. And according to the police, she was strangled. Okay, Now, 296 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 2: she's five foot nothing, twenty four years old, faced with 297 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 2: a convicted felon who doesn't want to go back to prison, 298 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:26,720 Speaker 2: and two other women who are out of their minds 299 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 2: helping him. What would pool cleaner do if you injected 300 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 2: it into somebody. 301 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:35,119 Speaker 1: It's a horrible reaction because let's just say that the 302 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: base element is in fact chlorine. We know what the 303 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 1: purpose of chlorine is. It's to you know, essentially shock 304 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 1: the environment of the pool to get rid of any 305 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 1: of the nasties that are in dwelling in here. But 306 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:54,400 Speaker 1: just exposure to just say chlorine. Because they're very nonspecific 307 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 1: about what has been applied or the compounds specifically, but 308 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 1: in many cleaner it's one of the base elements is 309 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:04,439 Speaker 1: in fact chlorine. There are different forms of it, and 310 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:07,639 Speaker 1: actually coloring gas has been used. And to give you 311 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:09,919 Speaker 1: an idea how horrific this is, if this kind of 312 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:13,439 Speaker 1: frames it for you, chlorine gas has actually been used 313 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:16,200 Speaker 1: as a tool of war. And it's horrible, I mean, 314 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: absolutely horrible way to die. All the mucous linings of 315 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:24,400 Speaker 1: your airway are going to become inflamed, Your throat will swell, 316 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 1: Your ability to uptake oxygen, it's going to be greatly compromised. 317 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:32,159 Speaker 1: You're struggling to breathe, and there's burning that's associated with this, 318 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 1: and on top of it, there is violent fits of 319 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 1: vomiting as well. So you've got all of this going on. 320 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:44,119 Speaker 1: Is this is raging through your system on top of methamphetamine, 321 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 1: on top of all of the mental health issues that 322 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:53,120 Speaker 1: this poor woman is suffering from. It's not necessarily a 323 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 1: merciful event. I don't know that she could have recovered 324 00:18:56,880 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 1: from this. It would have eventually killed her. He saw 325 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:03,639 Speaker 1: that it wasn't working, he wrapped his hands around her 326 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 1: throat and choked the life out of it. For a 327 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:29,439 Speaker 1: moment in time, I can imagine these are merely my 328 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 1: own thoughts here that Presputino wished that he had never 329 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 1: opened that door, because now after having this poor young woman, 330 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 1: he's kidnapped her. He knows by now at least he 331 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:48,400 Speaker 1: has a perception that she's got mental illness. He knows 332 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:50,640 Speaker 1: that he's got a tiger by the tale. Essentially, he's 333 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 1: ended her life now with his bare hands. What are 334 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:56,679 Speaker 1: you going to do? That's the amazing thing, Dave about 335 00:19:56,800 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 1: people that take the lives of other folks. They do 336 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 1: these things in a heat of passion, and then they 337 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:08,399 Speaker 1: look over what has resulted from their actions, and they say, 338 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 1: what next, what next? Indeed, what could you do? 339 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 2: In her case, she was reported missing May thirty first 340 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 2: as Marilla de Gonzalez, and they did not find her 341 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:24,159 Speaker 2: body until October. We know that she was injected with 342 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:27,160 Speaker 2: pool cleaner. We know that she was strangled. When her 343 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:30,439 Speaker 2: body was found, it wasn't found out in the open, 344 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:32,920 Speaker 2: It wasn't even found in a hole. It was actually 345 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:37,159 Speaker 2: found in a tomb, and it was when they were 346 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:39,399 Speaker 2: undoing this assume. That's why I have all these questions, Joe, 347 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:42,400 Speaker 2: because I'm trying to figure out what damaged the pool 348 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:45,160 Speaker 2: cleaner would do to her internal organs in causing her 349 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 2: to decompose. You know, we hear about bodies being wrapped 350 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:50,119 Speaker 2: up and put in holes and things like that, and 351 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:53,360 Speaker 2: unless you've seen it, you don't even know what we're 352 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 2: going to be looking at. Are we going to be 353 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:57,159 Speaker 2: looking at skeletalized remains, or are we going to look 354 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 2: at somebody who's fairly well preserved after ninety days. 355 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 1: In this particular case, Dave, you're talking about Vegas and 356 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 1: we're going into one of the hottest times of the year, 357 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:13,120 Speaker 1: and it doesn't matter how you're entombed in that environment, 358 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:15,680 Speaker 1: the body's going to begin to break down. But here's 359 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 1: the interesting thing. Back to Prespotino, he's actually visualized going 360 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 1: into a store and buying I dig this, buying five 361 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 1: five sixty pounds bags of concrete. Well, let me do 362 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:34,160 Speaker 1: the math real quick. That's three hundred pounds, man, three 363 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 1: hundred pounds of quick crete, which, if you've never seen it, 364 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:39,919 Speaker 1: if you're going to put up a I don't know, 365 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: a mailbox in your yard or something like that, you 366 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 1: know you're going to pour it into a form and 367 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:48,359 Speaker 1: you set the post and it's very heavy. There's a 368 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 1: reason you use it because it ain't going nowhere at 369 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 1: least for a while. Right, So you've got three hundred 370 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:58,119 Speaker 1: pounds of just these bags alone. What are you going 371 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:00,439 Speaker 1: to do with this? Because you're living in side of 372 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 1: a residence. He took off work. And here's where investigations 373 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 1: come in, really, and one of the things that we 374 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:09,200 Speaker 1: were going to look at with an individual that might 375 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 1: be associated with crime. Are there any kind of gaps 376 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:14,479 Speaker 1: in time here where there were because he took a 377 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 1: week off when she disappeared. I think that you and 378 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,639 Speaker 1: I can probably come to an agreement here why I 379 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 1: took that time off? He's thinking, any thinking, how am 380 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 1: I going to deal with this? How am I going 381 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:28,399 Speaker 1: to get her out of my residence and put as 382 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 1: much distance between myself and her? Well, not only did 383 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 1: he take time off from work, but in addition to that, 384 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 1: he rented a U Hall. Dave, he rented a U 385 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 1: Haul And I got to tell you, I've spent more 386 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 1: time driving U hauls in my life than I care 387 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 1: to remember. If I never get inside of another nothing 388 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:49,480 Speaker 1: against U haul company. It could be anybody. I'm sick 389 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:51,359 Speaker 1: and tired of moving in my life, of how to 390 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,200 Speaker 1: move a lot. But that's what he did. You look 391 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:57,359 Speaker 1: at somebody from an investigative standpoint, you try to think, well, 392 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 1: why are you renting a U haul? Did you suddenly 393 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 1: you have this moment, Tom when you decide I'm going 394 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 1: to pick up and leave town. There's no indication of 395 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: you actually leaving town, So why do you need a 396 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,359 Speaker 1: U haul? What are you moving? And those are questions 397 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 1: that any investigator would begin to ask. You know, it's 398 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 1: like that old proverbial thread on the sweater that's hanging down. 399 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 1: You pull on that sucker and the thing becomes unraveled 400 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 1: and the picture begins to become a bit more. 401 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 2: Clear when they start at the end okay, and start backtracking, 402 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 2: and they're able to see the ending and try to 403 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 2: figure out how it got there. When he buys the 404 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,640 Speaker 2: three hundred pounds worth of quick creed, it means very 405 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,399 Speaker 2: little if you don't know the rest of the Paul Harvey, 406 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 2: the rest of the story. But once they know the 407 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:44,160 Speaker 2: rest of the story and they're backtracking, Okay, you're right, 408 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 2: he's got three hundred pounds of quick creed, he's got 409 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 2: a U haul. Obviously he's going to be moving something 410 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 2: very heavy. I don't know where his mind was in 411 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 2: the thinking process, and I have to think this was 412 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 2: something he had thought of before in his crazy life, 413 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 2: because you said he took a week off of work 414 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 2: to figure out what to do and what he came 415 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,920 Speaker 2: up with. I'm gonna be honest, Joe, from the outside 416 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:11,399 Speaker 2: looking in, not knowing anything about forensics, really, I thought 417 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,719 Speaker 2: what he did in trying to cover up the crime 418 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,879 Speaker 2: by trying to put the body in a place in 419 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 2: an area that would not be found and also would 420 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:25,359 Speaker 2: not create the odor of decomposition, I thought it would work. 421 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:27,160 Speaker 2: From the outside looking in. 422 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:32,119 Speaker 1: Every time a perpetrator takes a step, any kind of 423 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 1: step in any direction, you're going to begin to leave 424 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 1: that trail of breadcrumbs behind. So yeah, I mean in 425 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 1: theory you would think, yeah, okay, let's get quick crete 426 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 1: and intomb a body in it and put a much distance. Well, look, man, 427 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,159 Speaker 1: if you're mixing quick crete, first off, you've got to 428 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 1: purchase it, then you've got to mix it. It's a 429 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,239 Speaker 1: bloody mess. I mean it truly is. You know, if 430 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 1: you've ever dealt with it, you're leaving dust behind. If 431 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:02,880 Speaker 1: you're in an vironment, say for instance, that where one 432 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 1: would not normally expect to be mixing quick creek, because 433 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 1: if you're dealing with a dead body, you're going to 434 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 1: have to do it in a sequestered area. There's no 435 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:12,119 Speaker 1: way you can go out in the front yard and 436 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 1: do this and wave it. Everybody's there going down the road. 437 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:19,119 Speaker 1: So when investigators get to a location, they begin to 438 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,360 Speaker 1: kind of dig. They're walking through an individual's house per 439 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:26,400 Speaker 1: a warrant, and they see evidence of something that has occurred. Yeah, 440 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 1: in principle, it seems like a jam up idea, but 441 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,359 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it goes to a 442 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,680 Speaker 1: bigger picture. There's one other thing I forgot to mention 443 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 1: that he purchased. In addition to this you were talking 444 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 1: about knocking down the odor of decomposition. He also bought 445 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,880 Speaker 1: lime as well, which is something you know you see 446 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 1: in the movies where people will throw lime on graves 447 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,399 Speaker 1: to knock down the smell. Some people claim that it 448 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 1: promotes decomposition for the body to decompose quicker, And you 449 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 1: see this played out in the movies, and it's almost 450 00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 1: like this guy has taken notes from Hollywood as to 451 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:02,880 Speaker 1: what he's going to try to do. But once you've 452 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 1: created this huge block of concrete, and I'll go ahead 453 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 1: and bury the lead here and say that her remains 454 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:13,359 Speaker 1: are now entombed inside of this block of concrete, which 455 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,399 Speaker 1: is also inside of a tank. It's like an old 456 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 1: water tank with a wooden frame that has been created 457 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 1: for this purpose. You got to move it. So what 458 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:26,399 Speaker 1: are you going to do the two hundred and fifty 459 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 1: gallon tank. It's a big tank. It's a big tank. Yeah, 460 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,399 Speaker 1: and I'll give him this. A water tank being moved 461 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 1: out of your house doesn't look like a dead body 462 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,200 Speaker 1: being moved out of your house, all right. That would 463 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,199 Speaker 1: obviously give you the idea you're going to be able to, 464 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:45,120 Speaker 1: you know, transport without maybe drawing as much attention. Okay, 465 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 1: but still you've got one thing that you've got to 466 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 1: account for. You've got a missing young woman. So the 467 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 1: last place she is perhaps seen is at his house. 468 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 1: The next thing, you know, he's rented a U haul, 469 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 1: he's bought quick crete, he's bought in line, and he's 470 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,639 Speaker 1: got this tank. Maybe he just had it laying around 471 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,880 Speaker 1: and all of that's gone now along with the U haul, 472 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,159 Speaker 1: and no one knows where Esmarel is. 473 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,159 Speaker 2: He has the body encased in the cement inside the 474 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty gallon tank. We know he's got 475 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 2: the U haul, and we know, as the police like 476 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 2: to say, it's a big desert out there. As most 477 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 2: drug addicts do, they talk. As most drug addicts do, 478 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 2: especially with meth, they get paranoid pressed. Bettina, he needed 479 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 2: help to get this done, and he was his own 480 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 2: worst enemy in helping the police solve the entire crime. 481 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,399 Speaker 1: What's the old adage about one person can keep a 482 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:41,159 Speaker 1: secret when you begin to involve these other people. A 483 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,639 Speaker 1: girlfriend in particular, a lady named Lisa, mort that she 484 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:48,440 Speaker 1: would look have an awareness of what he was doing 485 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 1: with her, but then she would enter into an agreement 486 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,680 Speaker 1: with him to help him cover this crime up. It's 487 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:58,640 Speaker 1: just it's mind blowing. But we've covered on bodybags, we've 488 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 1: covered other cases and evolving the desert out there and 489 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:07,680 Speaker 1: it is just seemingly endless. But again, this water tank 490 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 1: and wooden structure, that's really I urge anybody that can 491 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,160 Speaker 1: go online to take a look at this thing. It's 492 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 1: just sitting kind of like on this rise out in 493 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 1: the middle of the desert. It is an entument that's 494 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:25,680 Speaker 1: not buried. It's just right there. And for me, I've 495 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,880 Speaker 1: worked cases similar to this. I've also had friends that 496 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 1: have had to if you can imagine this, dislodge a 497 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:37,919 Speaker 1: block of concrete that literally had to be lifted up 498 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 1: with a crane because you had individuals that were buried 499 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 1: within an entumbment like this. And then this is where 500 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 1: it gets really fascinating to me. You're dealing with something 501 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 1: that is outside of your depth here as a forensic scientist. 502 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 1: Contained within here is more than likely human remains that 503 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 1: you're looking for. And if you, for instance, with those 504 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 1: that are burying the ground, you can actually use ground 505 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 1: penetrating radar even on a concrete surface. You know that 506 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 1: something is in here, how are you going to be 507 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 1: able to appreciate it, visualize it. Where are you going 508 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 1: to know to go so that you don't destroy anything 509 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 1: that's contained in there. So it's a painstaking process. It's 510 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 1: not like the crane can place this onto the back 511 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 1: of a truck and you're going to take it to 512 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 1: the morgue and put it up on a table in 513 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:29,280 Speaker 1: your autopsy suite and begin to knock away all of 514 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 1: the concrete. You're going to have to use heavy equipment 515 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 1: to do this. You're going to have to bust this 516 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 1: up in order to get to the body that is 517 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 1: contained therein and you don't want to destroy any kind 518 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:44,480 Speaker 1: of evidence. And with Esmeralda, you'd ask me the question 519 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 1: about decomposition. I wanted to kind of revisit that a bit. 520 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 1: There was probably some tissue remaining, but a goodly portion 521 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 1: of all that remained with her was bone. But there 522 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 1: was something now. Her jewelry was actually still there, and 523 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 1: I'm not talking about just common everyday jewelry. There was 524 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 1: actually a Rolex watch that was found entombed with her 525 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 1: that belonged to her. That's something that if you're looking 526 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 1: at say a crime, a property crime where maybe a 527 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 1: robbery has gone bad, you're not going to have somebody 528 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 1: that's perpetrating that kind of crime that's going to leave 529 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:23,760 Speaker 1: a Rolex behind that's going to be at the top 530 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 1: of the list. You're going to take that well in 531 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 1: any kind of gold and their necklaces, rings, all kinds 532 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 1: of stuff that are in this mix that had contained 533 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 1: her remains and essentially her skeletal remains. The trick is 534 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 1: this when you have a death related to asphyxie, and 535 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,360 Speaker 1: we've seen this played out a lot recently in the 536 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:49,720 Speaker 1: news and you have decomposition. It's really really difficult, Dave, 537 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 1: to try to understand what exactly was it that brought 538 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 1: about this death because there's no soft tissue. You can't 539 00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 1: look back and say, well, we've got hemorrhage here, we've 540 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 1: got hemorrhage there. All that remained were the bones. And 541 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:06,240 Speaker 1: so it's going to require some circumstantial evidence to come 542 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 1: into play, some testimonial evidence from somebody that may have 543 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 1: had directcknowledge of it. And of course that's what happened 544 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 1: with these associates that pres Patino had. 545 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 2: I'm shocked, okay about the jewelry. When I saw the 546 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 2: police had taken pictures of the jewelry and that rolex 547 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 2: and things like that, I thought, okay, this criminal had 548 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 2: the presence of mind to say, do not keep any 549 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 2: of this because you're you know, girls like jewelry, and 550 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,120 Speaker 2: it was Gurly jewelry, of the Gurly rolex. He had 551 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:34,960 Speaker 2: to have the presence of mind and say, no, you 552 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 2: can't go walking around with her jewelry. You can't go 553 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 2: walking around with her rolex. Put then in there. But Joe, 554 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 2: these criminals, they killed this twenty four year old woman, 555 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 2: a beautiful young woman. They kill her with their bare hands. 556 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,000 Speaker 2: They figure out a way is to put her in 557 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:51,280 Speaker 2: a two hundred and fifty gallon water tank. Poor quick 558 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,480 Speaker 2: create Oliver. They wrapped her body up first in a blanket. 559 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 1: In blankets from the home. 560 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, when they did that, this is what I was thinking. 561 00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 2: And that's why I'm kind of shocked when you say 562 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 2: that her body was pretty much just going to be bones, 563 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 2: because I thought wrapping her up in the blanket, putting 564 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,000 Speaker 2: her in the tomb, and then covering her up with 565 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 2: three hundred pounds of a quick read, I thought that 566 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 2: would seal in her body, you know, and prevent that 567 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:14,760 Speaker 2: from happening. That's what I was thinking. I had no 568 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:16,960 Speaker 2: idea that they would have to use bone marrow to 569 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 2: get her DNA and match it with her parents, because 570 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 2: there wasn't anything left of her. I just assumed putting 571 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 2: her in that way that her body would have been 572 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 2: well preserved. 573 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 1: You think about it anytime you have this kind of 574 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:33,080 Speaker 1: environmental temperature. The desert around Vegas is so hostile. I 575 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 1: mean it truly is, and you're going to have remains 576 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,160 Speaker 1: that are out there that are literally cooking in this heat. 577 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,960 Speaker 1: And the body will begin to render down. Essentially, you know, 578 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,479 Speaker 1: the human body is very fragile. We think of ourselves 579 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 1: as being very robust, but in death, you know, after 580 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:52,200 Speaker 1: all this metabolic activity has ceased and everything else, you're 581 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 1: subject to the environment which you're in. So you have 582 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 1: this encasement that's going to be superheated out there on 583 00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,360 Speaker 1: the floor of the desert. Bodies are going to break down. 584 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 1: But we do know this. All that remained of Esmeralda 585 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 1: wound up telling her tale and eventually wound up seeing 586 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 1: Presbattino going to prison. I'm Josephcott Morgan and this is 587 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:20,400 Speaker 1: body bags.