WEBVTT - S1 E10: It Serves the Pigs’ Interests to Create Confusion

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<v Speaker 3>Eryl Hendra's Camera Shop was an eclectic print shop and

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<v Speaker 3>gathering place in San Francisco in the nineteen sixties and seventies.

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<v Speaker 3>It was owned by Errol Hendra, a former seaman from

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<v Speaker 3>New Zealand author Jerry Spieler.

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<v Speaker 4>It was a camera shop on Folsom Street, but they

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<v Speaker 4>did all the printing of the various flyers and posters

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<v Speaker 4>for the political community in the Bay Area.

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<v Speaker 3>They also did rock concert posters, underground comic art, and

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<v Speaker 3>so on, and the shop seemed more like a clubhouse

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<v Speaker 3>than a business. In a footnote in his book The

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<v Speaker 3>Pirates in the Mouse Disney's World Against the Underground, Bob

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<v Speaker 3>Levin describes.

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<v Speaker 1>The scene his place was wal to wall posters with

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<v Speaker 1>Hell's Angels, rock stars, underground cartoonists, dope dealers, and sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>the Sheriff of San Francisco hanging out in the dark room,

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<v Speaker 1>sitting on the waterbed itemized as a depreciable water storage

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<v Speaker 1>facility on Hendra's irs returns, joking, bantering smoking weed, playing

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<v Speaker 1>out the dramas Hendra like to set in motion, like

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<v Speaker 1>he was the ringmaster of a Bedlamite circus.

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<v Speaker 4>Dan O'Neil was a cartoonist with a cartoon called Odd Bodkins,

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<v Speaker 4>which was very popular at the time. Sarah Jane would

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<v Speaker 4>go visit them and they would basically sort of put

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<v Speaker 4>her on and laugh behind her back and get her

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<v Speaker 4>all excited. They would tease Sarah Jane and she didn't

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<v Speaker 4>realize she was being teased, and she would get all

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<v Speaker 4>worked up about their conversations. But it was Dan O'Neill

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<v Speaker 4>who said, if Ford wasn't president anymore and Rockefeller would

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<v Speaker 4>become president, all hell would break loose. And they were joking,

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<v Speaker 4>but Sarah Jane took them seriously, and when that conversation happened,

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<v Speaker 4>they realized that she thinks that's real.

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<v Speaker 5>She really thinks that's real.

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<v Speaker 3>In her interview in Playboy magazine months after the attempt,

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<v Speaker 3>Sarah Jane talked about this motive, Oh.

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<v Speaker 6>Ford of the Nevish. I have nothing against him personally.

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<v Speaker 6>It was the office of the Presidency that I was

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<v Speaker 6>trying to attack. Killing Ford would have shaken a lot

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<v Speaker 6>of people up. More importantly, it would have elevated Nelson

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<v Speaker 6>Rockefeller to the presidency, and then people would see who

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<v Speaker 6>the actual leaders of the country are.

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<v Speaker 3>Nelson Rockefeller was a member of the extravagantly wealthy Rockefeller family,

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<v Speaker 3>considered it a moderate. He'd run unsuccessfully three times for

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<v Speaker 3>the Republican presidential nomination before Ford named him as vice

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<v Speaker 3>president after Nixon's resignation. Referring to Rockefeller as Rocky, Sarah

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<v Speaker 3>Jane went on to.

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<v Speaker 6>Say, killing Ford would have meant that people would have

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<v Speaker 6>had to face Rocky head on, which should rouse a

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<v Speaker 6>lot of people out of their rationalizing daydreams.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm Toby Ball.

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<v Speaker 6>And I'm Mary Catherine Garrison, and this is rip current.

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<v Speaker 7>We feel that the murder of Popeye Jackson and Sally

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<v Speaker 7>Boy was the work of.

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<v Speaker 6>Pigs Episode ten. It serves the pig's interests to create confusion.

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<v Speaker 3>In the early morning hours of June eighth, nineteen seventy five,

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<v Speaker 3>Popeye Jackson was murdered along with a friend named Sally

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<v Speaker 3>Voy as they sat in a parked car just a

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<v Speaker 3>couple of blocks from Sarah Jane Moore's apartment. His death

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<v Speaker 3>was ominous for Sarah Jane. Popeye had been her mentor

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<v Speaker 3>and entree to the radical groups in the Bay Area.

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<v Speaker 3>She had recently accused him of being a police informant,

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<v Speaker 3>and it seemed likely this had contributed.

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<v Speaker 8>To his murder.

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<v Speaker 3>But in truth, it was she who was an informant,

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<v Speaker 3>and many people in the Bay Area knew this. She

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<v Speaker 3>had good reason to believe she was not safe at

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<v Speaker 3>the time. Ellen Hume was a young reporter with the

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<v Speaker 3>Los Angeles Times during this period. Sarah Jane went by

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<v Speaker 3>the name Sally. When Allen mentioned Sally, she is talking

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<v Speaker 3>about Sarah Jane.

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<v Speaker 9>One time she called and she was absolutely terrified. She said,

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<v Speaker 9>I'm in danger. My life is in danger. I said,

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<v Speaker 9>what are you talking about? She said, Popeye's just been

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<v Speaker 9>killed and he was about two blocks from her apartment.

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<v Speaker 9>And I didn't know anything about her involvement with Popeye.

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<v Speaker 9>She hadn't told me about Popeye. So Popeye's murder really

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<v Speaker 9>freaked Sally out. After Popeye's murder and Sally, who always

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<v Speaker 9>acted as if she had several screws loose, I gave

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<v Speaker 9>her fifty dollars, which I never did, not for the story,

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<v Speaker 9>but I said, get out of town, cool off for

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<v Speaker 9>a while. Because she was so scared. She was literally shaking.

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<v Speaker 9>I flew up and was with her in her apartment.

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<v Speaker 9>A couple days later, she seemed to be okay again.

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<v Speaker 3>As Sarah Jane wrestled with how to protect herself after

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<v Speaker 3>Popeye's murder, the investigation into his death got underway. His

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<v Speaker 3>murder was yet another black mark for a city that

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<v Speaker 3>had been hit with high profile violence and gained a

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<v Speaker 3>reputation for fear and paranoia author Jeffrey Tubin.

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<v Speaker 10>In the nineteen seventies, San Francisco was synonymous with urban decay.

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<v Speaker 7>You get to ask yourself one question, Do I feel lucky?

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<v Speaker 10>Well?

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<v Speaker 4>Do you bunk?

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<v Speaker 10>Clint Eastwood's Dirty Harry was a San Francisco detective. The

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<v Speaker 10>Streets of San Francisco, Michael Douglas's TV series was based

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<v Speaker 10>on the idea that San Francisco was a very dangerous

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<v Speaker 10>place to be a detective.

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<v Speaker 11>The night's episode.

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<v Speaker 12>Death Watch by seventy two, seventy three, seventy four, you

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<v Speaker 12>had cops being ambushed and killed because they're cops. I

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<v Speaker 12>think San Francisco lost seven officers in a year and

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<v Speaker 12>a half period, which was unheard of. My name is

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<v Speaker 12>Duffy Jennings. I am a retired journalist and publicist who

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<v Speaker 12>lives here in the San Francisco Bay Area. I was

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<v Speaker 12>a reporter for the San Francisco Chronicle from nineteen sixty

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<v Speaker 12>nine to nineteen eighty. The city just morphed into an

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<v Speaker 12>ugly place. This kind of random violence, political violence just

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<v Speaker 12>rolled on through this seventies.

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<v Speaker 2>There was just no letup.

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<v Speaker 3>But the violence also gave opportunities to San Francisco's homicide

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<v Speaker 3>detectives to make their names in high profile cases. One

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<v Speaker 3>of those detectives was Frank Falzon, who we heard from

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<v Speaker 3>last episode.

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<v Speaker 13>Every day was a new exciting day. Every day was

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<v Speaker 13>a new and exciting case. And being young, energetic and

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<v Speaker 13>always wanting to work the big cases, I didn't have

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<v Speaker 13>to look very far. They were right in front of me.

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<v Speaker 3>Falson was assigned to Popeye's case.

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<v Speaker 13>Well, initially, we're totally in the dark when we started

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<v Speaker 13>researching the background of Popeye Jackson, and it wasn't like

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<v Speaker 13>he was a wallflower. He was very well known in

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<v Speaker 13>the criminal justice system. Within two days, a citizen called

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<v Speaker 13>in about finding a barrel of a gun. It was

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<v Speaker 13>the nine millimeter automatic gun. It had been discarded in

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<v Speaker 13>the street we knew it was probably linked to our murders,

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<v Speaker 13>but without the rest of the gun, we just booked

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<v Speaker 13>it into the property clerk's office to see if it

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<v Speaker 13>would prove to be influential at a later time. The

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<v Speaker 13>radical violent underground was a tangled web of competing New

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<v Speaker 13>left radical extremists. We started looking into all those radical

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<v Speaker 13>extremists individuals, trying to talk to people that might be

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<v Speaker 13>able to point us in the right direction. Popeye Jackson

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<v Speaker 13>was loved by many and hated by some.

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<v Speaker 3>Popeye was executed in the early morning of June eighth.

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<v Speaker 3>As Frankfelzhan mentioned, the investigation would center on the complicated

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<v Speaker 3>ecosystem of small, violent radical groups in the Bay Area.

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<v Speaker 3>The trail actually was laid five days before Popeye's murder.

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<v Speaker 3>On June third, a mysterious group called the New World

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<v Speaker 3>Liberation Front or NWLF, had sent an open letter to

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<v Speaker 3>San Francisco radio station KPOO accusing Popeye of being a

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<v Speaker 3>police informant. In the days following Popeye's assassination, a commentary

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<v Speaker 3>on whether his death was justified played out in a

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<v Speaker 3>letter to the editor page of the underground newspaper The

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<v Speaker 3>Berkeley barb It began with two communica's signed by the NWLF.

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<v Speaker 3>The first Communica claimed credit for Popeye's execution. It was

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<v Speaker 3>quickly identified as a fraud. It is still unclear who

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<v Speaker 3>wrote this letter. The second, much longer Communica arrived soon after.

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<v Speaker 3>It was regarded as genuine. In it, the NWLF stated

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<v Speaker 3>that Popeye's execution was justified, but denied that they had

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<v Speaker 3>actually carried it out. It harshly condemned the murder of

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<v Speaker 3>Sally Voi, and then it denounced the first fake communicate

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<v Speaker 3>as disinformation. Its language was heated.

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<v Speaker 1>When the ruling class pigs and steal fear and oppressed peoples.

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<v Speaker 1>We must be able to decipher pig shit from revolutionary

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<v Speaker 1>tactics and respond by drawing together, not in paranoia, but

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<v Speaker 1>in strength and imagination.

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<v Speaker 3>It ended by calling on an underground prison group called

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<v Speaker 3>the Black Gorilla Family to conduct an analysis of Popeye's murder.

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<v Speaker 3>This analysis, it was implied, would be the definitive judgment.

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<v Speaker 3>The NWLF was just one of several groups to communicate

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<v Speaker 3>through that week's edition of the Berkeley Barb Something called

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<v Speaker 3>the People's Commission of Inquiry Berkeley sent an open letter

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<v Speaker 3>asserting that the nwlf's June third letter contained only accusations

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<v Speaker 3>and no actual evidence. It also claimed that no true

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<v Speaker 3>revolutionary group would have executed Popeye under what they called

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<v Speaker 3>these circumstances. The letter went on to say that if

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<v Speaker 3>the NWLF didn't denounce the murderer and the previous communications

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<v Speaker 3>about Popeye, that.

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<v Speaker 1>We would have to assume that the NWLF is a

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<v Speaker 1>creation of the repressive forces of the state, created to

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<v Speaker 1>so confusion and division among the general population and a left,

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<v Speaker 1>in particular as to the true actions, behaviors, and policies

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<v Speaker 1>of revolutionary underground groups.

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<v Speaker 3>In short, the NWLF accused Popeye of being an agent

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<v Speaker 3>of the government, and the People's Inquiry accused the NWLF

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<v Speaker 3>of being an agent of the government for making that accusation.

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<v Speaker 3>To further complicate the situation, many on the left thought

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<v Speaker 3>that Popeye had most likely been executed by the government

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<v Speaker 3>in the form of the police. Pat Singer, Popeye's wife,

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<v Speaker 3>who was nine months pregnant at the time, told the Berkeley.

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<v Speaker 1>Barb Popeye's most outstanding enemies were the police. They had

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<v Speaker 1>talked about him being killed and made threats from the

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<v Speaker 1>California Department of Corrections down to the blacks and whites

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<v Speaker 1>on the SFPD. They were his most outspoken enemies and

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<v Speaker 1>the ones who would have benefited most from his death.

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<v Speaker 3>Rumors also circulated that the racist Aryan Brotherhood had put

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<v Speaker 3>out a ten thousand dollars contract for the murder of

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<v Speaker 3>Popeye and four other unnamed radicals in the Bay Area.

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<v Speaker 8>Paranoia reigned, So what we saw here was factions of

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<v Speaker 8>this extreme left, very divided on who they felt should

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<v Speaker 8>be supported and who should be taken out.

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<v Speaker 13>None of it was any good.

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<v Speaker 3>The Berkeley barb Letter section also carried two anonymous letters,

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<v Speaker 3>both concerned with the effects of violence within the left.

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<v Speaker 3>A letter signed by a comrade concluded this way.

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<v Speaker 1>We his fellow revolutionaries killed Popeye, regardless of who pulled

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<v Speaker 1>the trigger. We who got angry and left him, We

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<v Speaker 1>who feared displeasing his followers, We who were afraid to

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<v Speaker 1>confront and struggle with a strong but misled comrade.

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<v Speaker 3>The second letter referred to the executions of Popeye and

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<v Speaker 3>Oakland School's superintendent Marcus Foster instead of the violence.

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<v Speaker 1>The result of this approach has been confusion, divisiveness, paranoia,

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<v Speaker 1>and increased physical and mental oppression for us. All it

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<v Speaker 1>was signed with intense feelings some of the people.

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<v Speaker 3>A week later, the Black Gorilla Family responded to the

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<v Speaker 3>nwlf's requests for an analysis. This is from a report

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<v Speaker 3>on KPFA, a Bay Area community radio station.

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<v Speaker 7>Last week when the New War Liberation Front is to

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<v Speaker 7>communicate denying responsibility for the June eighth execution of Popeye Jackson.

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<v Speaker 7>They also called on the Black Gorilla Family to use

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<v Speaker 7>its vantage point from inside prison to analyze some of

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<v Speaker 7>the charges made earlier against Popeye Jackson. Today, the Black

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<v Speaker 7>Gorilla Family issued their response, which reads as follows. To

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<v Speaker 7>the people, this is long in coming because we had

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<v Speaker 7>decided not to become involved. However, due to the conflict

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<v Speaker 7>and speculations which have arisen, we feel it is necessary

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<v Speaker 7>to clarify our position and give an objective opinion.

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<v Speaker 3>The communicay was long, but this paragraph summed up the findings.

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<v Speaker 7>We feel that the murder of Popeye Jackson and Sally

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<v Speaker 7>Voi was the work of pigs. As to the murder

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<v Speaker 7>of Sally Voi, there is no justification to the left,

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<v Speaker 7>especially the Gorilla Army, but it serves the pig's interests

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<v Speaker 7>to create confusion within the left and to maintain control.

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<v Speaker 7>Through that confusion, the charges lodged against Popeye we feel

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<v Speaker 7>are void of foundation.

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<v Speaker 13>The Black Gorilla family said it was the work of

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<v Speaker 13>the pigs. In other words, they placed the blame on

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<v Speaker 13>the police department, that the police for some reason didn't

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<v Speaker 13>like Popeye Jackson, didn't like what he was promoting, and

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<v Speaker 13>the police killed Popeye. But this, obviously for us, was

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<v Speaker 13>totally disregarded because there was no indication of that at all.

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<v Speaker 13>There was also a word that Popeye was killed because

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<v Speaker 13>he was an FBI informant. Well, we checked with the FBI.

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<v Speaker 13>They don't give up their informants, so we hit a

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<v Speaker 13>wall there. To our knowledge, Popeye Jackson was not an informant.

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<v Speaker 3>But Falzan is still not sure. The question over whether

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<v Speaker 3>or not Jackson was an informant would continue to be debated,

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<v Speaker 3>But the public statements on Popeye's murder did not tackle

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<v Speaker 3>a big ethical question. Does a snitch deserve to be executed?

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<v Speaker 3>In the radical underground, it seemed the answer was taken

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<v Speaker 3>for granted. Yes, a code of death for informants seems

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<v Speaker 3>to have a kind of movie logic to it, But

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<v Speaker 3>to Sally Voy's sister Lee Darby, it is almost a farce.

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<v Speaker 14>As it turned out, all their investigation happened on the

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<v Speaker 14>San Francisco and pop By Jackson end of things. He

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<v Speaker 14>was accused of being a snitch. And you know, that

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<v Speaker 14>whole thing is just so ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 15>You could be a.

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<v Speaker 14>Murderer and a rapist and a child molester and hold

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<v Speaker 14>your head high, but a snitch that was grounds for

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<v Speaker 14>immediate assassination. The worst thing in that underworld is to

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<v Speaker 14>be an informant, and they weren't, but that probably led

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<v Speaker 14>to their killing.

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<v Speaker 13>My partner, Dave Toski, his original partner had retired. My

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<v Speaker 13>partner had been promoted to the district attorney lead job

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<v Speaker 13>as the lead investigator. I and Dave were teamed up together.

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<v Speaker 3>If you've seen the movie Zodiac, Dave Tashi is a

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<v Speaker 3>detective played by Mark Ruffalo.

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<v Speaker 14>Were coordinating with the Scoreboard, and we expect to break in.

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<v Speaker 1>The case very soon.

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<v Speaker 9>What do we really got and they can't get anyone

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<v Speaker 9>on the tip line.

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<v Speaker 3>In the early days of the investigation into Popeye's murder,

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<v Speaker 3>Falzan and Tashi struggled to get a foothold on the case.

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<v Speaker 3>On June tenth, Tasha even made the statement that though

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<v Speaker 3>they thought the target was most likely Popeye quote, we

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<v Speaker 3>can't rule out the possibility that maybe miss Voi had

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<v Speaker 3>been involved in something that might make her a target.

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<v Speaker 3>Two days later, it was reported that Falzan and Tashi's

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<v Speaker 3>boss had forbidden any further public comment about the case.

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<v Speaker 3>But the idea that Sally might somehow have been targeted

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<v Speaker 3>by a militant group was disorienting to her grieving family.

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<v Speaker 14>There was just a bunch of them, the New World

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<v Speaker 14>Liberation Front, the people who who had kidnapped Patty Hurst,

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<v Speaker 14>the Symbionese Liberation Army, the Black Panthers, the Aryan Brotherhood.

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<v Speaker 14>All of these groups delivered communic hays about the killings

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<v Speaker 14>that either supported it or condemned it. And we were

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<v Speaker 14>just who are these people? And were trying to hunker

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<v Speaker 14>down at our house, and you know, reporters would call

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<v Speaker 14>and my dad would you know, We were just bewildered.

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<v Speaker 3>Popeye most likely was not an informant. Sally Voy was

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<v Speaker 3>definitely not, but Sarah Jane definitely was. And soon this

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<v Speaker 3>fact was published in a newspaper. On June twentieth, The

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<v Speaker 3>Berkeley bar Ran an article about Sarah Jane's involvement with

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<v Speaker 3>Popeye and her possible role in his death.

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<v Speaker 1>The article began damaging information about Popeye Jackson was leaked

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<v Speaker 1>to numerous movement groups before his death by a woman

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<v Speaker 1>who had worked as an informant for the FBI.

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<v Speaker 3>Sarah Jane was interviewed for the article and sought to

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<v Speaker 3>put the best face on her work with the FBI

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<v Speaker 3>and accusations against Popeye, but it was the most public

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<v Speaker 3>of confessions that she had betrayed the radical Left. She

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<v Speaker 3>confessed that she had been an informant and about the

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<v Speaker 3>information she had distributed in the left about Popeye Jackson.

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<v Speaker 3>In the article, Mark Bramhall of the Vietnam Veterans Against

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<v Speaker 3>the War was quoted as saying we had gotten word

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<v Speaker 3>from many movement groups that she was a pig. He

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<v Speaker 3>also said that the VVAW had voted to expel Sarah

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<v Speaker 3>Jane from their organization. Sarah Jane was becoming more and

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<v Speaker 3>more marginalized by the radical Left. Isolated and desperate, she

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<v Speaker 3>headed into the summer of nineteen seventy five determined to

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<v Speaker 3>show the left that she was not an agent of

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<v Speaker 3>Middle America but one of them. The radical young. After

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<v Speaker 3>the break, it's an indication of the chaos in San

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<v Speaker 3>Francisco in nineteen seventy five that detective Frank Falzand lost

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<v Speaker 3>his partner Dave Tosh because Tashi was too busy investigating

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<v Speaker 3>the high profile Zodiac murderers to help with the Popeye

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<v Speaker 3>Jackson case.

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<v Speaker 13>Dave was also at the time working the Zodiac case

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<v Speaker 13>in San Francisco, so I grabbed Jim Lessart, lead prosecutor

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<v Speaker 13>in the DA's office. He and I took this case

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<v Speaker 13>head on. We realize that we're dealing with very violent

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<v Speaker 13>underground groups that had fragmented into many arms and tentacles.

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<v Speaker 13>Group we weren't even aware of turned out to be

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<v Speaker 13>one of the more violent groups, a group called a

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<v Speaker 13>Tribal Thumb.

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<v Speaker 7>One name which police and certain media have linked to

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<v Speaker 7>the Jackson Voice shooting is Earl Satyre, a black man

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<v Speaker 7>who served nineteen years in prison until his release a

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<v Speaker 7>few years ago. Satur has been labeled the leader of

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<v Speaker 7>a clandestine guerrilla group known as the Tribal Thumb, and

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<v Speaker 7>most recently was acquitted of a November nineteen seventy three

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<v Speaker 7>bank robbery in Berkeley.

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<v Speaker 3>Tribal Thumb was another small revolutionary group led by a

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<v Speaker 3>charismatic black man who had been involved in prison radicalism.

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<v Speaker 3>In this case, the man's name was Earl Satcher. Satcher

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<v Speaker 3>was a more formidable figure than SLA leader Donald de Friese.

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<v Speaker 3>Defrize had picked up radical ideology in prison, but wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>a leader inside the walls. Sacher, however, was. In nineteen

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<v Speaker 3>seventy one, E. F. Shaver of Houston's underground newspaper Space

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<v Speaker 3>City identified him as SOLIDAD prisons leading black panther. It

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<v Speaker 3>gets a little complicated, but Sacher was released from prison

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<v Speaker 3>and then arrested again in nineteen seventy three in connection

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<v Speaker 3>with the shooting down of a police helicopter in Oakland.

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<v Speaker 3>It was while he was in jail awaiting trial for

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<v Speaker 3>this that he met Rick Riley.

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<v Speaker 16>I met Earl in the Oakland County jail. I was

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<v Speaker 16>there fighting my case and they got him brought him in.

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<v Speaker 15>It was a police helicopter shot.

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<v Speaker 16>Down and some banks had been robbed, so they had

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<v Speaker 16>Earl in on suspicion on all that stuff.

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<v Speaker 15>Right. My name is Rick Riley. I'm known as Sundown.

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<v Speaker 16>I was the leader in the Western phil Media prison

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<v Speaker 16>gang criminal organization.

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<v Speaker 15>I was also a member of Tribal Thumb.

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<v Speaker 16>Prior to that, I was a martial artist and I

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<v Speaker 16>used to work out all the time, and Earl loved

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<v Speaker 16>the martial arts. And so that's how we became friends

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<v Speaker 16>because he would want to spar with me, and he

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<v Speaker 16>began talking to me, and he began recruiting me.

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<v Speaker 15>He was a good looking black man, muscular, he had charisma.

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<v Speaker 16>Earl had charisma, man had.

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<v Speaker 15>A smile that was very charismatic.

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<v Speaker 16>Women loved him and guys liked him.

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<v Speaker 3>Like many of these small groups, Tribal Thumb started in

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<v Speaker 3>prison and then evolved to a new form when Earl

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<v Speaker 3>Satcher was released.

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<v Speaker 2>The goals were anarchy.

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<v Speaker 16>Everybody talked about revolution, right, but anybody who had any

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<v Speaker 16>sense realized that in America you were not going to

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<v Speaker 16>have a revolution. The most you could have is anarchy.

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<v Speaker 16>It's like like the elite, they create problems because they

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<v Speaker 16>believe they're out of chaos they get control. You know,

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<v Speaker 16>they'll create a situation and then they'll have the answer

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<v Speaker 16>to that situation.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, So out of chaos they get their power.

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<v Speaker 16>They also out of anarchy, the revolutionary groups that were

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<v Speaker 16>smart would get their power.

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<v Speaker 3>In the previous episode, we looked at the efforts by

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<v Speaker 3>various law enforcement agencies to plan informants in the radical underground.

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<v Speaker 3>At the time of Popeye's murder, the FBI had two

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<v Speaker 3>informants within Tribal Thumb. Their names were Gary Johnson and

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<v Speaker 3>Walter Handsacker. They were able to help Frank fels On

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<v Speaker 3>break Popeye's murder case.

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<v Speaker 13>This informant, Walter Handsacker, was in possession of the stolen

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<v Speaker 13>guns that had been given to him after a hold

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<v Speaker 13>up in Crockett, California, where multiple weapons were stolen. These

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<v Speaker 13>guns were now in possession of Walter Handsacker. Jim Lasart myself,

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<v Speaker 13>we interviewed Walter and what he told us was quite shocking.

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<v Speaker 13>He said that the man he was talking to was

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<v Speaker 13>definitely not a black man and was a white man.

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<v Speaker 13>His name was Richard London, also known as Ricardo London.

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<v Speaker 13>He brought two guns, in particular to Walt Hansacker and

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<v Speaker 13>wanted Walter to dispose of them. He said one was

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<v Speaker 13>extremely hot, and when he said that, he also said,

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<v Speaker 13>I'm now a hit man. I did a job with

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<v Speaker 13>this gun. It was the nine millimeter without a barrel.

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<v Speaker 13>I remembered early on in the investigation that I booked

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<v Speaker 13>into evidence a barrel from a nine millimeter had to

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<v Speaker 13>be a divine intervention because we put that gun together.

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<v Speaker 13>Now was the murder weapon.

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<v Speaker 3>Ricardo London was a twenty six year old ex cohn.

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<v Speaker 3>He'd been a member of Popeye's United Prisoners Union while

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<v Speaker 3>he was imprisoned, and then joined Tribal Thomb.

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<v Speaker 13>Our prime suspect now was Ricardo London, but we had

0:26:17.000 --> 0:26:21.760
<v Speaker 13>witnesses who described a tall, thin black man with a

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<v Speaker 13>bushy afro medium dark complexion. Well, as luck would have it,

0:26:26.720 --> 0:26:32.200
<v Speaker 13>our suspect, Ricardo London was in custody in Napa, Sonoma

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<v Speaker 13>County for another case that he had been arrested for,

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<v Speaker 13>and the detectives there booked into evidence from his club

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<v Speaker 13>box theatrical makeup of bushy mustache and a black afro wig.

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<v Speaker 13>What we come to find out is he disguised himself

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<v Speaker 13>as a black man the night he did the killing.

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<v Speaker 13>So we not only had the murder weapon, we now

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<v Speaker 13>had an eye witness.

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<v Speaker 3>Iman was handed down on March thirty first, nineteen seventy six,

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<v Speaker 3>about ten months after the killings. The trial made it

0:27:08.280 --> 0:27:12.160
<v Speaker 3>clear that Sally Voy was an innocent bystander. She'd been

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<v Speaker 3>in the wrong place at the wrong time.

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<v Speaker 14>Even the murderer at his trial said, oh, well, Popeye

0:27:20.200 --> 0:27:22.800
<v Speaker 14>was the target and Sally was there, so she had

0:27:22.840 --> 0:27:28.560
<v Speaker 14>to go too, so she was collateral damage according to him.

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<v Speaker 3>Ricardo London was convicted in September of nineteen seventy eight

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<v Speaker 3>and sentenced to life in prison.

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<v Speaker 16>It just so happens that the person who supposed he

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<v Speaker 16>killed Popeye Jackson is a good friend of mine and

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<v Speaker 16>he's out trying to live his life now, you know,

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<v Speaker 16>and do good.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't want to be saying his name. You can't,

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<v Speaker 2>I won't.

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<v Speaker 16>He's free finally, and yeah, I wish him the best,

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<v Speaker 16>and so I don't want to talk about him other

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<v Speaker 16>than that.

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<v Speaker 3>The motive in this case is still dispute. Rumors circulated

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<v Speaker 3>at the time that Popeye had burned tribal thumb in

0:28:05.040 --> 0:28:10.000
<v Speaker 3>a drug deal for thousands of dollars. It seems more likely, though,

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<v Speaker 3>that it was in reaction to the suspicion that Popeye

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<v Speaker 3>was an informant. This suspicion was most likely a product

0:28:17.600 --> 0:28:21.960
<v Speaker 3>of both the accusations leveled by Sarah Jane, the NWLF

0:28:22.000 --> 0:28:25.760
<v Speaker 3>and others, and two police raids earlier in nineteen seventy

0:28:25.800 --> 0:28:29.960
<v Speaker 3>five on Tribal Thumb properties. In April, while trying to

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<v Speaker 3>locate Patty Hurst, police and FBI agents raided a home

0:28:33.920 --> 0:28:37.600
<v Speaker 3>in Menlo Park and found materials and plans for making

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<v Speaker 3>pipe bombs, along with radical literature, some of it from

0:28:41.800 --> 0:28:45.920
<v Speaker 3>Tribal Thumb. The next month, raids were conducted on a

0:28:45.960 --> 0:28:49.680
<v Speaker 3>house in Los Gatos and one in the Santa Cruz Mountains.

0:28:50.560 --> 0:28:54.080
<v Speaker 3>Weapons and drugs were seized, and three people were arrested.

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<v Speaker 3>In Los Gatos. One of the three was Earl Satcher.

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<v Speaker 3>He was released soon after. Eyewitnesses claim to have seen

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<v Speaker 3>Popeye at the scene of the Los Gatos raid. Police

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<v Speaker 3>disputed this. I want to be clear about the timeline here.

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<v Speaker 3>Ricardo London was charged with Popeye and Sally Void's murders

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<v Speaker 3>in March of nineteen seventy six, six months after Sarah

0:29:19.520 --> 0:29:24.520
<v Speaker 3>Jane's assassination attempt, and wasn't convicted until September nineteen seventy eight.

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<v Speaker 3>At the time of her attempt, the culprit and reasons

0:29:28.640 --> 0:29:31.360
<v Speaker 3>behind Popeye's death were still unknown.

0:29:33.960 --> 0:29:37.640
<v Speaker 6>One hundred and five days separated Popeye's murder on June eighth,

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<v Speaker 6>and Sarah Jane's attempt on Ford on September twenty second.

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<v Speaker 6>Our knowledge of Sarah Jane's activities during this time is sketchy.

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<v Speaker 6>She was certainly concerned with the way she was perceived

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<v Speaker 6>by people on the left, if she had had some

0:29:53.840 --> 0:29:56.360
<v Speaker 6>sense of the danger of being an identified and former

0:29:56.440 --> 0:30:02.040
<v Speaker 6>before Popeye's murder left no more doubt. Sarah Jane was

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<v Speaker 6>in fear for her life and took steps she thought

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<v Speaker 6>would convince the left that she was one of them.

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<v Speaker 6>She wrote a letter published by the Berkeley Barb on

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<v Speaker 6>July fourth, trying to walk back some of the allegations

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<v Speaker 6>in the June twentieth article that revealed her to be

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<v Speaker 6>an informant. She conceded that she had been an informant,

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<v Speaker 6>but disputed that she had widely shared her allegations about Popeye.

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<v Speaker 6>Her letter was couched in the language of the radical left.

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<v Speaker 6>It was sandwiched on the page between two letters from

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<v Speaker 6>the Vietnam Veterans Against the War that accused Sarah Jane

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<v Speaker 6>of continuing to serve as an informer and criticizing the

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<v Speaker 6>Barb for giving her a platform where the VVAW had

0:30:43.800 --> 0:30:48.080
<v Speaker 6>decisively turned against Sarah Jane. Tribal Thumb of all groups,

0:30:48.240 --> 0:30:52.240
<v Speaker 6>seemed to welcome her into their midst. Her association with

0:30:52.320 --> 0:30:56.600
<v Speaker 6>them was, to put it mildly strange. How could Sarah

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<v Speaker 6>Jane feel safe with them when they were prime suspects

0:30:59.160 --> 0:31:02.680
<v Speaker 6>and the murder of her former mentor, and given the

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<v Speaker 6>rumor swirling that Popeye was killed because he was a snitch,

0:31:06.560 --> 0:31:09.800
<v Speaker 6>it seems that she would have kept her distance, but

0:31:09.920 --> 0:31:13.520
<v Speaker 6>she didn't. She is known to have spent at least

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<v Speaker 6>a couple of days that summer taking shooting practice at

0:31:16.000 --> 0:31:19.280
<v Speaker 6>a Tribal Thumb property in rural Mendocino County north of

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<v Speaker 6>San Francisco. During the two weeks leading up to September

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<v Speaker 6>twenty second, she also seems to have taken on a roommate,

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<v Speaker 6>a blond woman alleged to be connected to Tribal Thumb.

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<v Speaker 6>This roommate's identity has never been confirmed, and it is

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<v Speaker 6>not clear whether she had any influence on Sarah Jane's

0:31:36.560 --> 0:31:41.160
<v Speaker 6>actions during that time. Sarah Jane also continued to hound

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<v Speaker 6>journalists trying to get her story. Told Here's Carol Pogash,

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<v Speaker 6>who was working at the Hurst owned San Francisco Chronicle

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<v Speaker 6>in nineteen seventy five.

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<v Speaker 5>She would call the house maybe at seven in the morning,

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<v Speaker 5>or at midnight, or many times during a day, and

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<v Speaker 5>I I'm sure I brushed her off, but I'm surprised

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<v Speaker 5>that I didn't simply say stop, you're dominating my life

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<v Speaker 5>and you can't be doing that. I think at the

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<v Speaker 5>time I wrote that if Sarah Jane Moore was chummy

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<v Speaker 5>with you, she made your life miserable. Things that she

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<v Speaker 5>told me, I don't know if they were true or not.

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<v Speaker 6>Another journalist who Sarah Jane badgered was Ellen Hume, and

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<v Speaker 6>while Carol found Sarah Jane to be nothing more than

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<v Speaker 6>a nuisance, Ellen thought she was interesting and eccentric. She

0:32:34.720 --> 0:32:36.960
<v Speaker 6>had initially hoped that Sarah Jane might help her find

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<v Speaker 6>Patty Hurst. That didn't happen, but Ellen and a colleague

0:32:41.160 --> 0:32:43.400
<v Speaker 6>were writing a series of articles for the Ellie Times

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<v Speaker 6>about the current state of the radical movement, and Ellen

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<v Speaker 6>thought that Sarah Jane could be a small part of

0:32:48.320 --> 0:32:48.880
<v Speaker 6>that story.

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<v Speaker 11>She didn't produce Patty Hurst, but she produced such a

0:32:52.560 --> 0:32:57.160
<v Speaker 11>fascinating set of stories about herself that I decided to

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<v Speaker 11>write a little profile of her to go along with

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<v Speaker 11>the whole story about where is the SLA Today?

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<v Speaker 9>A year out what's happening with that and how do

0:33:06.880 --> 0:33:09.320
<v Speaker 9>they fit into the radical movements of the sixties. That

0:33:09.480 --> 0:33:12.480
<v Speaker 9>was really my new assignment. And she kept calling me

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<v Speaker 9>chatty self, you know, constantly dishing, and so.

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<v Speaker 11>I drafted my little sidebar.

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<v Speaker 9>It wasn't a main story, and it was going to

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<v Speaker 9>go in this huge series that Narda Zequino and I

0:33:23.000 --> 0:33:27.480
<v Speaker 9>were preparing about the SLA And during that one of

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<v Speaker 9>those chatty calls, as I drafted my profile for her,

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<v Speaker 9>she flew down to La on the La Times this

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<v Speaker 9>money to have her picture taken. She came to our

0:33:35.520 --> 0:33:37.320
<v Speaker 9>city room and had her picture taken.

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<v Speaker 2>For the profile.

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<v Speaker 9>So this was definitely in the works. And then she

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<v Speaker 9>confessed to me why she was so interested in my story,

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<v Speaker 9>and it's because she had been an informant for the FBI.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know that.

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<v Speaker 9>That also explained why she was so freaked out when

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<v Speaker 9>Popeye got murdered and someone from the Tribal Thumb group

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<v Speaker 9>was later convicted of having murdered him. She had reason

0:34:01.760 --> 0:34:04.400
<v Speaker 9>to be worried about people on the left taking it

0:34:04.440 --> 0:34:08.440
<v Speaker 9>badly that she had been informing on them. She expected

0:34:08.480 --> 0:34:12.080
<v Speaker 9>that my story in the La Times, explaining that she

0:34:12.280 --> 0:34:16.799
<v Speaker 9>converted to the radical cause. She had spoken, you know,

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<v Speaker 9>as an informant to the FBI, but her real heart

0:34:19.480 --> 0:34:23.640
<v Speaker 9>now had converted. She expected that would save her life.

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<v Speaker 9>I didn't understand the extent to which she was hanging

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<v Speaker 9>on that and waiting for that. So the story I

0:34:31.600 --> 0:34:33.839
<v Speaker 9>drafted it, and I just took what she had told

0:34:33.920 --> 0:34:36.480
<v Speaker 9>me about herself. She was just a colorful sidebar, and

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<v Speaker 9>it wasn't ready to go on the paper.

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<v Speaker 6>Sarah Jane felt increasingly in danger. In early September, she

0:34:43.600 --> 0:34:46.480
<v Speaker 6>bought a gun. She did not buy it from a store,

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<v Speaker 6>which required a five day waiting period, and reported the

0:34:49.719 --> 0:34:53.960
<v Speaker 6>sale to the state of California. Instead, she went back

0:34:53.960 --> 0:34:57.600
<v Speaker 6>to Danville, where she had lived before moving to San Francisco.

0:34:58.480 --> 0:35:01.959
<v Speaker 6>She called Danville birch Kun because of what she saw

0:35:02.000 --> 0:35:05.920
<v Speaker 6>as the influence of the John Birch Society there. The

0:35:06.040 --> 0:35:10.000
<v Speaker 6>John Birch Society is a right wing anti communist, conspiracy

0:35:10.040 --> 0:35:14.520
<v Speaker 6>minded organization named after an Air Force intelligence officer who

0:35:14.560 --> 0:35:17.080
<v Speaker 6>they believed to be the first casualty of the Cold War.

0:35:18.719 --> 0:35:23.560
<v Speaker 6>Among other claims, they asserted that President Eisenhower was a dedicated,

0:35:23.760 --> 0:35:27.680
<v Speaker 6>conscious agent of the Communist conspiracy. In the US In

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<v Speaker 6>the mid seventies, they had ninety thousand members. Sarah Jane

0:35:33.040 --> 0:35:36.160
<v Speaker 6>knew Bircher's and Danville and was introduced to a prominent

0:35:36.200 --> 0:35:41.759
<v Speaker 6>member named Mark Fernwood. Fernwood was twenty six, thin, embalding,

0:35:41.800 --> 0:35:46.279
<v Speaker 6>and a self proclaimed dedicated anti communist. He made and

0:35:46.320 --> 0:35:50.319
<v Speaker 6>sold replicas of nineteenth century guns. He also bought and

0:35:50.360 --> 0:35:55.200
<v Speaker 6>sold modern firearms from his house. Fernwood later remarked that

0:35:55.239 --> 0:35:58.120
<v Speaker 6>Sarah Jane was bright, cheerful, and even gave me tips

0:35:58.120 --> 0:36:01.360
<v Speaker 6>and how to decorate my home. He noticed that she

0:36:01.440 --> 0:36:04.120
<v Speaker 6>was wearing a United farm Worker symbol on her belt.

0:36:05.120 --> 0:36:08.080
<v Speaker 6>He believed that the UfW was a communist organization and

0:36:08.120 --> 0:36:13.160
<v Speaker 6>asked her about it. She declined to explain Otherwise, Fernwood

0:36:13.200 --> 0:36:17.279
<v Speaker 6>thought she was conservatively dressed. He wanted to be sure

0:36:17.360 --> 0:36:19.719
<v Speaker 6>she knew how to shoot, so he took her to

0:36:19.760 --> 0:36:23.160
<v Speaker 6>a gun range. Sarah Jane impressed him with her shooting skills,

0:36:23.400 --> 0:36:25.840
<v Speaker 6>and he agreed to sell her a forty four and ammunition.

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<v Speaker 6>The total came to one hundred thirty two dollars. For

0:36:30.160 --> 0:36:33.440
<v Speaker 6>some reason, she did not pay him that day. Instead,

0:36:33.600 --> 0:36:37.120
<v Speaker 6>she would return two weeks later with a check and

0:36:37.200 --> 0:36:41.560
<v Speaker 6>an undercover atf Agent. The day after that, she would

0:36:41.600 --> 0:36:45.719
<v Speaker 6>again visit Mark Fernwood and then drive to San Francisco

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<v Speaker 6>to kill the president next time on Rip Current.

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