Speaker 1: In today's episode, we're gonna talk about how the defense
Speaker 1: can stop Lamar Forbes versus Odell, Logan versus Fred, offense
Speaker 1: versus Defense there, and then Tanna Man providing some great
Speaker 1: insight on Joe Gibbs. Welcome on into the Command Center Podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm Logan Pulson here with Farmer Fred and Santana Moss.
Speaker 2: Me.
Speaker 1: Hey, you guys doing that right?
Speaker 3: You know as you listen here, you.
Speaker 2: I like to grow vegetables and things like. I'm really
Speaker 2: like an old lady. I just sitting in the going
Speaker 2: and listen to it.
Speaker 1: Is weird that like that's what I think of For
Speaker 1: some reason, I think give you like with an apron
Speaker 1: and like gloves, like.
Speaker 2: A stuff getting things done. Relaxation.
Speaker 4: Man, it ain't you know as a kid, you remember
Speaker 4: playing in the dirt. You had no toy, but it
Speaker 4: was just so light, dirt fulfil it. Yeah, well I
Speaker 4: still play in the dirt. That's cool man, you and
Speaker 4: I know people want to hear more about that. We'll
Speaker 4: talk about but not today. We're going to talk about
Speaker 4: the preseason game against Baltimore, and I would just start
Speaker 4: with the previous.
Speaker 1: So let's start super high level. What are you watching
Speaker 1: for in this game, Fred Smooth.
Speaker 4: I'm watching for us to match their physicality. I think
Speaker 4: if you're gonna ever play starters in a preseason game,
Speaker 4: this will beat the game the second out of three games.
Speaker 4: Because you're not gonna play them in the third game.
Speaker 4: That gives the guys at bottom of the roster chance
Speaker 4: to make it.
Speaker 2: This is the game you're gonna play in.
Speaker 4: Defensive wise, it's most definitely a challenge any time you
Speaker 4: play against a guy like Lamar Jackson, but also on
Speaker 4: the offensive side for Baltimore, they might with all new
Speaker 4: offensive coordinator. He wants to see his offense how it looks,
Speaker 4: some totality. So at the end of the day, I
Speaker 4: think it's an ultimate measurement stick, especially with this being
Speaker 4: the second game.
Speaker 3: I'm sure I couldn't said it better.
Speaker 5: I think when you're looking at it as a whole
Speaker 5: or you want to see how your team, you know,
Speaker 5: you know, measure up, you know, as a whole, but
Speaker 5: then also individual matchup. It's gonna be a lot of
Speaker 5: individual matchups where you want to see your young guys.
Speaker 5: Young guys might get a chance to go against some
Speaker 5: of these guys. That's season pros and to see how
Speaker 5: they fare out, you know, seeing somebody different in a
Speaker 5: practice setting, but also too man, when you just think
Speaker 5: about it, you know, when you look at the claibor
Speaker 5: players that they have and you look at ours, you
Speaker 5: want to see how far we off? You know what
Speaker 5: I mean, are the guys that we said to be
Speaker 5: the guys for us that's supposed to be leading us
Speaker 5: to you know, this postseason run. Can we really say
Speaker 5: that after we play these guys, because these guys have
Speaker 5: shown year after year that they've been one of those
Speaker 5: teams that's going.
Speaker 4: So you're saying, this practice will show us who we
Speaker 4: need to cut and who we need.
Speaker 5: To sign basically, you know what I mean, But not
Speaker 5: even not even on this, you know, on them that
Speaker 5: measuring stick up, cutting and you know, cutting and sign
Speaker 5: it just to see. I mean, we have our guys,
Speaker 5: We have our core guys who we say that they're
Speaker 5: the top tier. You know, we have a couple of
Speaker 5: guys who we look at as they pro bowlers in
Speaker 5: the top one hundred, top one hundred, how they fare
Speaker 5: out against their guys, you know what I mean, some
Speaker 5: of these top guys that they have and I think
Speaker 5: That's what I look at more than anything.
Speaker 3: I can't.
Speaker 5: I don't like to get caught up in the team
Speaker 5: aspect of it. I want to see individuals go out
Speaker 5: there and dominate their guy logan, what about you?
Speaker 1: I was just I was gonna fall for tenor real quick. Though.
Speaker 1: Do you think those individual individual matchups are important for
Speaker 1: the preseason?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 1: I mean, because sometimes I'm like, I know you for example,
Speaker 1: like you're out there, you want to catch one ball
Speaker 1: and then you're out of there right Like it's not
Speaker 1: like a full thing. Like do they matter as much
Speaker 1: in the preseason? I know for some of the bottom
Speaker 1: of the roster guys it's maybe a bigger deal.
Speaker 4: But I don't know a guy like Marlond Humphreys out
Speaker 4: there he can't wait to check tire McLaurin like he
Speaker 4: wants to say, you know what he wants.
Speaker 2: I want to see where I'm at right now.
Speaker 5: I think a few of those guys are going to
Speaker 5: take it as this is my chance to go ahead
Speaker 5: and signe one of they guys up. You know what
Speaker 5: I mean, Let me do it now, Let me get
Speaker 5: a one rep of two reps in now and do it.
Speaker 5: Because they don't want to do it in the preseason game,
Speaker 5: they say, hey, let's do it in practice, because we
Speaker 5: know the whist is gonna be blown real soon, real soon,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, stay off the ground, let
Speaker 5: me go ahead and do it now and then instead
Speaker 5: of waiting until a game, atmosphere will live you know,
Speaker 5: lots of live action where the I might take it
Speaker 5: to the level that I don't want to go to.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. So I think what I'm watching for, I'm watching for, like,
Speaker 1: what does a game plan for me? You look like,
Speaker 1: you know, like because it's not going to be a
Speaker 1: full game plan, but it's going to be eighty percent
Speaker 1: of a game plan.
Speaker 2: But don't you think he's gonna game plan more in
Speaker 2: the practices?
Speaker 1: I think the game I think so. But I also think,
Speaker 1: like thinking back to like third preseason games in the past,
Speaker 1: it wasn't like a full you know, it wasn't like
Speaker 1: a full game plan, but it was like a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff in you know, it was like, hey, we
Speaker 1: did like a blitz meeting, we did like da da da.
Speaker 1: And the fact that it's on Monday and they have
Speaker 1: those extra three practices, I think it's going to be
Speaker 1: like why not, you know, why not see how the
Speaker 1: young guys, how Sam handles a game plan, now Cold
Speaker 1: Turner handles a game plan like, cause you don't really
Speaker 1: know yet. So that's what I would say, is what
Speaker 1: is like, what does that look like? Maybe they don't
Speaker 1: game plan, maybe they do, and what if so, what
Speaker 1: does the game plan look like? And that's what I'm
Speaker 1: curious about.
Speaker 4: To go back to town As individuality, I think they
Speaker 4: got notes under each player. I think when you go
Speaker 4: up there, they say, uh, Cold Turner for his amp. Yeah,
Speaker 4: they know he can catch the ball on people. They
Speaker 4: want to see him block somebody. These guys it's for
Speaker 4: the Raiders. They might want to see Johann Dotson matched
Speaker 4: up against Marlon hunt Free and see how he takes
Speaker 4: a physical conna compared to a guy that likes to
Speaker 4: play him and match.
Speaker 2: Him with speed.
Speaker 4: So I think you go in and you find these
Speaker 4: individual matchups, especially talking to the other coach and let's say,
Speaker 4: let's see Montel Switt versus Morgan Moses. So I think
Speaker 4: you it is more individualized now that I sit back
Speaker 4: and think about it, let's group it more like, let's
Speaker 4: see what happened.
Speaker 1: But also I think that's probably something that they you know,
Speaker 1: they addressed in the joint practices, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I think that's easier to do in the joint practice.
Speaker 1: I think here it's like, how does the defense look
Speaker 1: versus a game planned offense? You know, like they're gonna
Speaker 1: put a game plan out too. In Baltimore, they do
Speaker 1: run a lot of kind of I don't say unusual
Speaker 1: stuff that they run power, they run counters, they run
Speaker 1: stap scheme runs which are tough to I don't want
Speaker 1: to say tougher to fit, but just unusual to fit. Right,
Speaker 1: And I think back to the Cleveland game and the
Speaker 1: linebackers at a hard time fitting that. So how they
Speaker 1: handle that stuff? Like does the defense like this is
Speaker 1: a good offensive line versus extended play? Does the defensive
Speaker 1: line dominate this offensive line like they should? Obviously we
Speaker 1: saw them against Cleveland, who's again very good offensive line.
Speaker 1: They had dominant moments, but not quite as dominant as
Speaker 1: I think they or we were hoping for. So those
Speaker 1: are the things I'm looking for.
Speaker 4: Are we looking Are we looking through alliance in the
Speaker 4: past at this offense? Because when I think about the
Speaker 4: Ravens offense out, I think about his physicality.
Speaker 1: It's a different offense.
Speaker 4: Anytime I think about Ravens, like anytime I see an offense.
Speaker 2: With a full back, I think physicality.
Speaker 4: They have a three hundred pound full back, but they
Speaker 4: also have a new offensive coordinator and they brought in
Speaker 4: Zay Fly with bait out his speed.
Speaker 2: Like, we don't know what they're going to look like
Speaker 2: at practice.
Speaker 1: So it's really funny. It kind of feels like when
Speaker 1: you watch the first preseason game, it feels like they're
Speaker 1: running two offenses. It feels like they're running this kind
Speaker 1: of spread college RPO Georgia isolation offense. And then it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: there's like a fullback end and two tight ends and
Speaker 1: you know what's going on. Yeah, It's like it's like
Speaker 1: a very schizophrenic offence. And I think I think one
Speaker 1: of the things one of the stipulations Harbot made when
Speaker 1: he's when when when the offensive corner came and said,
Speaker 1: we are going to keep our gap running scheme, you
Speaker 1: can run your offense. We're keeping our gap running.
Speaker 4: Why not?
Speaker 1: And so I think, like that'll be really interesting to
Speaker 1: see for me as a guy who likes offenses and
Speaker 1: sees how thinks matched. It's like, how do you mess
Speaker 1: that formationally? You know, because like they want to have
Speaker 1: multiple tight ends and they want to have a fullback end.
Speaker 5: That's gonna hurt team too, because I remember my first
Speaker 5: year he in O five when with Gibbs, and Gibb
Speaker 5: was just trying to get his feet wet again. So
Speaker 5: he brought in some of the stuff he knew he knew,
Speaker 5: and that's what he ran in four and I'm remember five,
Speaker 5: after playing a game, he scratched everything. He said, Okay,
Speaker 5: we're gonna keep our run game, but every week we're
Speaker 5: gonna run the past game. We're gonna be We're gonna
Speaker 5: be passed, pass happy and friendly and take whatever's working
Speaker 5: against the team. Were going against whatever the other team ran.
Speaker 5: If it worked and we don't have it.
Speaker 3: We add it.
Speaker 5: And so we added passes. And I used to come
Speaker 5: in early in the morning, like five thirty six o'clock
Speaker 5: just to make sure for practice that I can run
Speaker 5: every route or everything that we was ad for the week.
Speaker 5: You would have me come in early and say hey, Tanny,
Speaker 5: you can run this, and I literally be like yep.
Speaker 5: I was just saying yeah, because I wanted him to
Speaker 5: just put it in whatever give me an opportunity that
Speaker 5: gave me a fourteen hundred yard season in my first
Speaker 5: Pro Bowl, and it was crazy.
Speaker 3: We scratched that that' started play the next year.
Speaker 5: Thinking back with what you're just saying, how it almost
Speaker 5: seemed like two offenses. I felt that teams didn't know
Speaker 5: what we was doing.
Speaker 2: And it was when we.
Speaker 5: Got in the passing game, they was like, oh, we
Speaker 5: didn't see them run this on tape.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
Speaker 5: We was running the same thing that beat you last
Speaker 5: week and you didn't know. You wasn't prepared because you
Speaker 5: didn't see us running before.
Speaker 2: Fore, I say, we are prisoner to that studied film.
Speaker 4: And that's why I said that we're gonna give coach
Speaker 4: b Enemy a chance to be to catch some people
Speaker 4: on their heels the first month of the season, the
Speaker 4: first five games.
Speaker 2: They're just not gonna have any pure fume on them
Speaker 2: to study.
Speaker 4: And we are creatures of habit, and sometimes our habits
Speaker 4: can get used against us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think, like, those are some storylines I'm
Speaker 1: gonna watch. You know, I like watching offenses. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: watch a lot of offense, and then defense doesn't meet the level.
Speaker 1: The thing I want to ask you, is I don't
Speaker 1: know if Lamar is gonna play.
Speaker 2: He has to new offensive coordinator to whide receivers.
Speaker 3: At one point to to the preseason only this.
Speaker 2: Is his only chance to play. He will not be
Speaker 2: able to play the week after this.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 1: But aren't you worried that he's gonna get hurt?
Speaker 2: Like, no, I can't be. I can't be worried about it.
Speaker 1: But think about Tom Brady, Like Tom Brady would do
Speaker 1: a joint practice.
Speaker 2: But compare anybody to goats.
Speaker 1: I know, but like think about golf when golf was
Speaker 1: in LA. Yeah, they would do a joint practice. He
Speaker 1: wouldn't play in the game like so. And one of
Speaker 1: the reasons you do a joint practice if you've got
Speaker 1: a good quarterback to play. So do you think he plays?
Speaker 4: But we're talking about a quarterback that coming up injury,
Speaker 4: new offensive, the new offense. I would want him to
Speaker 4: get some reps like I would want him. And it
Speaker 4: ain't talking about one drive.
Speaker 3: Well, you know what, he didn't play last year against US?
Speaker 3: Yeah I don't think did he.
Speaker 4: No, he didn't, but he was also in a contract year.
Speaker 4: They didn't want him to be hurt. But he ended
Speaker 4: up getting hurt anyway.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but so I guess so if he is playing, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I think we'll figure.
Speaker 2: He won't be in run mode.
Speaker 4: If he runs around a lot, he will know he'll
Speaker 4: run around to throw. He won't run around to get
Speaker 4: useless ten to fifteen yards. In the preseason, his coach
Speaker 4: will tell him that let the ball fly. Whatever happens, happened.
Speaker 4: We try to get you some reps.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So for the defensive line, if he's out there, yeah, obviously,
Speaker 1: whenever you're going against the rushing quarterback, it's a totally
Speaker 1: different dynamic in terms of discipline, like what do.
Speaker 2: You gotta plays on?
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm saying for the defensive line though, you know,
Speaker 1: because like last like last week, for example, Dashawn gets
Speaker 1: out of the pocket and he's at a point of emphasis.
Speaker 1: This week were against thee.
Speaker 4: Yep, do not rush up field, like Tanna said, not
Speaker 4: rush up field, stay at the level of the quarterback.
Speaker 4: But it's also makes sure your d tackles this is
Speaker 4: their game. Like when you play against running quarterback, it
Speaker 4: takes the ends out of the game because they can't
Speaker 4: turn the corner on on and it becomes pain in
Speaker 4: Allen's game and your middle linebacker.
Speaker 5: You want to minimize that pocket as much as you
Speaker 5: can without having to get Upfiel and allow him to
Speaker 5: step up and steps out. You know, because I saw
Speaker 5: that last week and I'm like, we knew this was
Speaker 5: like a problem, but were thinking, we're not having that
Speaker 5: mindset going to this game is a preseason game, like
Speaker 5: you know, what's nothing to be out here running around
Speaker 5: and lo and behold, he.
Speaker 2: Did just run for light.
Speaker 1: He had to.
Speaker 5: He had to, so he had no choice but to.
Speaker 5: So you don't want to ever put the put a
Speaker 5: quarterback in that situation.
Speaker 3: Who does that? Well?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that's a good point for is like,
Speaker 1: you know, the defensive ends last week, I thought they
Speaker 1: did a good job of compressing like kind of power rushes,
Speaker 1: like tight angled rushes to kind of compress. It was
Speaker 1: really the defensive tackles who were a little bit loose
Speaker 1: with their rush angles that were creating those running lanes.
Speaker 4: And like I said, running quarterbacks force us to play
Speaker 4: zone because all our coaches won't all living us responding
Speaker 4: to him. I think about it, any running quarterback we
Speaker 4: won't ever put in the playbook.
Speaker 2: Two men two men on it turns my back to him.
Speaker 1: Yes, we won't ever, so we are.
Speaker 4: Prisoner today running quarterback, so we can only play his
Speaker 4: own blitz to get after him.
Speaker 2: But we can only play cover two, cover four, covered three.
Speaker 2: It's base coverages.
Speaker 1: It'll be interesting to see what they do because like
Speaker 1: you know, this team runs so much match. You know,
Speaker 1: they run.
Speaker 2: Match not so they're going to the three shield.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it plays like man, so their eyes aren't
Speaker 1: gonna it'd be interesting to see what they do. I
Speaker 1: think that's a really good thing to watch as well,
Speaker 1: you know, for your guy Forbes, I'm kind of curious too,
Speaker 1: Like he this is the first like last week, you know,
Speaker 1: im already didn't play really like short limited snaps, like
Speaker 1: this is the time where Odell's gonna play. Is a
Speaker 1: Flower is gonna play first round pick for Baltimore? Like
Speaker 1: what's the expectation for Forbes in this game? And like
Speaker 1: what do you think?
Speaker 2: Well, I think he No, nothing's too big for him.
Speaker 4: I think he'll be ready for I think he'll be
Speaker 4: ready for a bitching like Odell, Like he's a studier,
Speaker 4: he knows his screens. Jay Flowers is the one that
Speaker 4: I want to see him match up with Rickety rookie,
Speaker 4: because one thing about for he majors in tall guys.
Speaker 4: Tall guys, you don't worry about him. He's long, he's tall,
Speaker 4: he can go get the ball. It's the small guys
Speaker 4: he's gonna have to learn how to check on a
Speaker 4: regular basis in this league. And they got one in
Speaker 4: Zay Flyers, and they got another bigger guy in Bateman.
Speaker 2: So I'm ready to see him with versus those.
Speaker 4: Young guys than Odell, because Odell gonna take the Santana
Speaker 4: Moss treatment.
Speaker 2: Into this thing.
Speaker 4: I'm not here trying to outstage our guys. I'm trying
Speaker 4: to get out of here healthy and get ready for
Speaker 4: the first game.
Speaker 1: I mean, I kind of think that Jay Flowers matchup
Speaker 1: is more for Benjamin Saint Juwics so too, because he's
Speaker 1: Gotaiya has been playing nickel for them or not. He's
Speaker 1: even playing through the slodlot, and so I think that
Speaker 1: matchup will be probably more of Benjamin Saint Jewics thinking
Speaker 1: Saint ju just has shown, like with his length, that
Speaker 1: he can match up with most, but he has.
Speaker 4: To get his hands on the Jay fly Like you
Speaker 4: can't go press a guy like that and don't touch him.
Speaker 3: Yeah. One of the things that Forbes spoke on is that.
Speaker 5: And this is how you know he has a high
Speaker 5: football IQ, just how he sees things. And you know,
Speaker 5: we talked so much about wanting to see this out
Speaker 5: of Saint Juice. I know I did, you know, primarily
Speaker 5: just knowing who he have in front of him and
Speaker 5: knowing his gifts. Use your gifts, use your ability to
Speaker 5: your advantage, and forrest smoke on that. Already he has
Speaker 5: to play certain guys differently, you know, in courage or
Speaker 5: I might see I got your hunt. We already saying
Speaker 5: if you got your hunt in front of you, better
Speaker 5: step to that line of scrimmage and slow him down.
Speaker 5: Put he will put you on his highlight y. So
Speaker 5: you got to you have to know that. So I
Speaker 5: want to see Saint Juice kind of take that part
Speaker 5: of his say heed to that man, use your long reach.
Speaker 3: Can run anybody. Man. I will be pressing everybody. I
Speaker 3: can run with you.
Speaker 5: I'm pressing you because I want to make sure the
Speaker 5: quarterbacks say I ain't got enough time because this guy
Speaker 5: all right.
Speaker 3: Here, he's gonna be patient enough. He's gonna put hands
Speaker 3: on him.
Speaker 5: That's gonna slow him down or negate some of the
Speaker 5: things that he can do to me. Then I'm gonna
Speaker 5: do that. And I Forest spoke on that last week.
Speaker 5: So I want to see that, you know, be able
Speaker 5: to I want to see Saint Jews take that from
Speaker 5: a from another young guy and put that in his game.
Speaker 3: Put that on his too.
Speaker 1: It's funny that you mention that Tanna and you were
Speaker 1: talking about zone and man like. I always think of
Speaker 1: pressing as kind of a man or a match principle,
Speaker 1: like do you press also cover too? You can press
Speaker 1: cover and cover too, But I'm saying like cover before
Speaker 1: when you're in the slot.
Speaker 2: Though on a nickel, it depends on how active the
Speaker 2: nickel is.
Speaker 4: Is he one of them guys that like to show
Speaker 4: you I'm f in the blitz knowing I'm finna dropping
Speaker 4: coverage like.
Speaker 5: Or yeah, you got also think I ain't mean to
Speaker 5: cut you off, friend, And you know this better than me.
Speaker 5: When you're in a slot, you know when and not
Speaker 5: to do certain things, especially because if you.
Speaker 3: Got that man man you running with him, Yeah, then
Speaker 3: I might not.
Speaker 2: I'm not playing these games. Yeah if I do, I
Speaker 2: got like help on both sides.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we got nothing but guys that sitting now, Oh
Speaker 5: I'm pressed up, Shosha.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna make sure that now I got you to
Speaker 5: the point to well, I'm gonna ham you up so long.
Speaker 5: When I let you go, you can do what you
Speaker 5: want to do because somebody else picking you up.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: So you should be able to play those kind of
Speaker 5: mind games knowing where your help is at. If you
Speaker 5: ain't got help, then you got to say, hell, let
Speaker 5: me go ahead and back off the guys and see
Speaker 5: the court back and see him a little bit, because
Speaker 5: now I know I gotta run a little more.
Speaker 4: And that situation of football, what when they come out
Speaker 4: in eleven with double tights and is Andrews and Likely,
Speaker 4: I want to see Saint.
Speaker 2: Juice have to line up on a wide receiver.
Speaker 4: Tight tight end like a likely because that's why he's
Speaker 4: in there, because he can also check tight ends one
Speaker 4: on one. So when you bring a Kyle Pitts, you
Speaker 4: bring up George Kittle, Saint Juice will be the one matched.
Speaker 2: Up on him.
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask you, so, like you know, with Andrews,
Speaker 1: he's one of the best in the league. Yeah, Like
Speaker 1: is that the matchup? Is it Saint Jus or it
Speaker 1: is Cam Curll.
Speaker 4: I think Cam Curll Andrews is the one, Isaiah likely
Speaker 4: Saint Juice is the one. Like, so I think it's
Speaker 4: gonna be some some gamesmanship in there. I think it's
Speaker 4: some gamesmanship in there. And that's why I say on
Speaker 4: these practices in this game, I think we'll see a
Speaker 4: lot of both coaches saying I want to see these
Speaker 4: players one on one, let's set this up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then one of the ones you can do
Speaker 1: that as much as you want to.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The other thing I wanted to bring up there is like,
Speaker 1: because Cam is playing more posts now, yeah, Like that's
Speaker 1: it's tougher to kind of get him down as that
Speaker 1: nickel player, you know. And I think that's it'll be
Speaker 1: interesting to see how they handle that, especially with a
Speaker 1: guy like Mark Andrews, because I think like structurally they're
Speaker 1: kind of in a situation where it has to be
Speaker 1: Saint Juice, but they have so much flexibility in the
Speaker 1: back and maybe Percy comes in and plays post, Cam
Speaker 1: comes down in the box. It'll be interest to see
Speaker 1: how the well.
Speaker 4: I think they're just making everybody interchangeable right now. It
Speaker 4: ain't nothing else they need to see from Cam Curle
Speaker 4: when it comes from being in the box checking. People like,
Speaker 4: let's work on your middle of the field things so
Speaker 4: we can rock and roll with defro.
Speaker 2: I think they're just they're just.
Speaker 4: Letting Cam be Cam right now and work on his
Speaker 4: all the round game because they know what he could
Speaker 4: do in their box.
Speaker 1: It was actually a really nice discussion of the defense.
Speaker 1: I was surprised that I will that one, honestly. So
Speaker 1: let's talk about the offense. I never want to talk
Speaker 1: to you. I know we're offensive.
Speaker 4: Man like offense sale tickets, defense win chim.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's true anymore. Statistically, we got
Speaker 1: to get our analytics guy in here, but I think offense.
Speaker 4: Wins leaning on analyt What about the good old I tists.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. So let me ask you
Speaker 1: this right real quick. We got we've got time for
Speaker 1: a little diverse. We do four hours already. So statistically,
Speaker 1: what is the likelihood that a number one defense stays
Speaker 1: number one the following year?
Speaker 2: It's basically it's very low.
Speaker 1: It's basically zero.
Speaker 4: I was the aitation that but number one offense, stay
Speaker 4: in number one.
Speaker 1: That's a great point. But look at Kansas City, like
Speaker 1: they're always in the top five.
Speaker 2: Right, Well, my mama said it will come out of
Speaker 2: the word, but.
Speaker 4: You say the word buddy using some bs.
Speaker 2: This is what I'm saying. Offices go up and down,
Speaker 2: just like defense.
Speaker 1: But like Kansas City, you know, the Bills like they
Speaker 1: like good offenses stay good because good quarterbacks stay good.
Speaker 1: And it's a quarterback driven league. Defenses are so closely tied.
Speaker 4: I don't need us do we need you to y'all need?
Speaker 3: That would be how far do you drop from from
Speaker 3: being the number one win?
Speaker 4: But you don't need to be the number one defense
Speaker 4: to be the defense that wins the Super Bowl, because
Speaker 4: I would have to have an optimistic, uh, top ten
Speaker 4: defense than just the number one defense. Optimistic mean we
Speaker 4: get the ball back and we give our offensive.
Speaker 1: Shop to stick. Yeah. Well, I think a good example
Speaker 1: that's Cincinnati from a couple years ago. They were like
Speaker 1: a top ten defense, but they were a game plan
Speaker 1: defense fence. So they came out with that Tampa two
Speaker 1: really soft coverage versus Patrick Mahomes in the playoff game.
Speaker 1: Ye yeah, in the in the divisional round, yep, and
Speaker 1: they beat them. You know what I'm saying to go
Speaker 1: to the super Bowl because because they were able to
Speaker 1: kind of find the right thing.
Speaker 2: It works for this game.
Speaker 4: And guess what, let's go ten drives, ten drives outfense
Speaker 4: defense if I can get your offense off the field three.
Speaker 1: Times, especially one of those offenses we want. But what
Speaker 1: I'm saying is, like the top the top defenses don't drive.
Speaker 1: Don't drive wins the same way they used to. It
Speaker 1: used to be like you could have a defensive football
Speaker 1: team like the Baltimore Ravens are great examples. Yes, and
Speaker 1: they would win. They would win you a championship, which yeah,
Speaker 1: because they'd get six turnovers yet pumper turn touchdown and
Speaker 1: it'd be like twenty eight to zero and not an
Speaker 1: offensive pens score. Ye. Now, I think because of the
Speaker 1: potency of offenses that is not as effective.
Speaker 2: But you're not willing to say this.
Speaker 4: It's only the same characters winning for hell Brady for
Speaker 4: twenty years and now packed my holes from twenty more.
Speaker 4: It ain't like a situation where Aaron Rodgers, he didn't
Speaker 4: had good offenses for eighteen consecutive years, he got one
Speaker 4: championship rings show full and that championship ring is when
Speaker 4: he had Childs Woodson and that defense.
Speaker 1: But also I think to that point, I do think
Speaker 1: there is this, like miss this misnomer with offensive philosophy
Speaker 1: that you got a good quarterback, you gotta throw the
Speaker 1: ball all the time. You need to have a balanced offense, Tanna.
Speaker 1: You need to be able to run the ball when
Speaker 1: you need it, like you need the good defense when
Speaker 1: it's needed. But I do think, just in terms of
Speaker 1: analytics now, offense drives production a little bit more. So,
Speaker 1: let's talk about our offense. Yeah, Sam haliversus Baltimore Defense's
Speaker 1: Baltimore defense isn't quite what it's been the past, you know,
Speaker 1: ten years. They don't have like that. They've got young
Speaker 1: edge players that are developing.
Speaker 2: They can be dangerous.
Speaker 1: They can be dangerous, no doubt, but they haven't consistently
Speaker 1: showed on this team. Yes, they've got two of the
Speaker 1: best linebackers in football right now, Queen and Rokwan Smith.
Speaker 1: And then they've got I don't know, like their secondary
Speaker 1: is kind of weird.
Speaker 2: Nid Humphreys Good, Hamilton Good.
Speaker 4: I think the one thing we can always say about
Speaker 4: the Raves.
Speaker 1: They draft will.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but they also draft well put guys on the
Speaker 4: shiff and didn't bringing my two years later and were like, who.
Speaker 2: The hell is there? They do a great job of it.
Speaker 4: So I'm never gonna go to a Baltimore game and
Speaker 4: not expect defense, Like I'm sorry, this this their calling court.
Speaker 5: That's the that's the culture, that's that's what they regardless
Speaker 5: of who you are, like, that's what we do.
Speaker 3: This is what we do.
Speaker 5: So at the end of the year, you wonder why
Speaker 5: that this team basically thrives behind the same style of
Speaker 5: play if ray lewis they are not, because this is
Speaker 5: what this is the tone we said, and this is
Speaker 5: our culture. So I'm one of those guys that I
Speaker 5: care less who the names are.
Speaker 2: Just show me the Halmets.
Speaker 5: Just showed me to him and what and I'm gonna
Speaker 5: tell you what they do and what they do best.
Speaker 5: We had to bring out a game offensively, no matter.
Speaker 3: They do.
Speaker 2: Mimic Pittsburgh the whole divisions.
Speaker 4: Like I told you, Pittsburgh is the only team that
Speaker 4: wins with unattractive quarterbacks. All right, unattractive quarterbacks in good defense.
Speaker 4: And guess what the Ravens major in it too.
Speaker 1: So same, Hell, what's the expectation against that attracted? Do
Speaker 1: know what's the expectation? Yeah, come on, I thought I
Speaker 1: was going with quarterback face on that. But I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I thought we were going with the quarterback face test.
Speaker 1: So what I'm saying is like, what is a good
Speaker 1: outing for him? Do you want to see what it
Speaker 1: looks like versus versus Cleveland? Can he do that again?
Speaker 1: Like what's the clean jersey?
Speaker 2: I want to see him leave the.
Speaker 1: Game more offensive line related, I guess.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's him to get the ball at your hand.
Speaker 3: So we're talking about the preseason game.
Speaker 2: On to my the game is helf between Sam versus
Speaker 2: the right.
Speaker 5: You want to see him pick off Rarey left off.
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, if it's scoring and scoring, we're scoring.
Speaker 5: But I want to see, Like I said, I didn't
Speaker 5: go into the preseason the first preseason game looking for
Speaker 5: touchdowns and big you know, you know, big plays. I
Speaker 5: want to see us move the ball consistently, you know,
Speaker 5: be productive. I think when you saw that first series,
Speaker 5: we had what two first downs easy quick like that
Speaker 5: he ran one time and then he one time he
Speaker 5: threw the ball. He was moving the ball until we
Speaker 5: got that penalty and then for you know, it was
Speaker 5: sack and then we punting, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So I just want to see a production. I want
Speaker 3: to see us move.
Speaker 5: The ball, take advantage of the opportunity we have. If
Speaker 5: it's not there, get off the field, but try to
Speaker 5: move the ball as efficiently as you can. And I think,
Speaker 5: to me, that's a win in the preseason. Now this
Speaker 5: is the second preseason game, so they're being there a
Speaker 5: little more. So, Yeah, you want to see a score
Speaker 5: as well. You want to see some some kind of
Speaker 5: points come out of east drive here and there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, our producers giving me the hook. But
Speaker 1: real quick, one guy that you're watching, bubble guy? Real quick,
Speaker 1: who's someone you're keeping an eye on?
Speaker 5: Kind of like JP man, JP to me, Jerry pat
Speaker 5: Patterson the bubble guy. Now he's a bubble guy. Just
Speaker 5: because with the question is running back of bull guy?
Speaker 1: I mean you're watching whoever you're watching?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I say, JP could running back room
Speaker 5: looking pretty fear it's crazy And I like and I
Speaker 5: like him. I love him and I don't like him,
Speaker 5: and I tell you I love him. I feel like
Speaker 5: we haven't We're not the team for him.
Speaker 3: We don't we we don't use him.
Speaker 5: I think he's a guy that can can be big
Speaker 5: on special teams, and he's the guy that you can
Speaker 5: hide in your back field.
Speaker 3: And and get a ball to.
Speaker 5: So I'm hoping that if we don't have a spot
Speaker 5: for him somewhere, somebody.
Speaker 4: Jones Jewish, this is what I thought it could be. Now,
Speaker 4: I won't say a bubble guy. I'm gonna go back
Speaker 4: to Sam Howe. Yeah, because like, because I just think
Speaker 4: he's so important. But also I think the setup is
Speaker 4: very the greatest show on turf flight for this team. Yes,
Speaker 4: because when Kirk Warner came to the team, they had already.
Speaker 2: Had this this this.
Speaker 4: Good wide receiving cord, they had martial fault back, and
Speaker 4: they were just waiting on this quarterback that nobody gave
Speaker 4: a chance. I remember the preseason when Kirk like they
Speaker 4: starting Kirk Wanner and everybody was like they started who
Speaker 4: like because nobody knew so nobody knew what the story
Speaker 4: was about to be. I feel this team could beat
Speaker 4: it because I already said that he reminds me of
Speaker 4: a hybrid of Tony Romo and Kirk wanna. So all
Speaker 4: I'm saying is can he can? He had a nostalgia
Speaker 4: in its story fulfield.
Speaker 2: I think he can.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I'm gonna say Wiley and Biggers. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say Wiley. It's because i think he's gotten better each
Speaker 1: week in practice and then obviously had a tough first game.
Speaker 1: Can he kind of come back and say like, Hey, no,
Speaker 1: I'm a good pro, I'm a good starting right tackle.
Speaker 1: Show what I've been showing in practice. Yeah, show what
Speaker 1: I showed in Kansas City. I think he will. But
Speaker 1: that's something I'll be watching. So I think that's gonna
Speaker 1: do it. For today's show, guys, I think that was
Speaker 1: a good, very comprehensive review. Yeah, that was a.
Speaker 2: Very short show.
Speaker 3: Now this right here, Friz.
Speaker 4: Didn't do I did not It was it was it
Speaker 4: was his foul mouth.
Speaker 3: All right. That's around.
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