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Speaker 1: In today's episode, we're gonna talk about how the defense

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Speaker 1: can stop Lamar Forbes versus Odell, Logan versus Fred, offense

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Speaker 1: versus Defense there, and then Tanna Man providing some great

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Speaker 1: insight on Joe Gibbs. Welcome on into the Command Center Podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Logan Pulson here with Farmer Fred and Santana Moss.

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Speaker 2: Me.

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Speaker 1: Hey, you guys doing that right?

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Speaker 3: You know as you listen here, you.

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Speaker 2: I like to grow vegetables and things like. I'm really

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Speaker 2: like an old lady. I just sitting in the going

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Speaker 2: and listen to it.

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Speaker 1: Is weird that like that's what I think of For

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Speaker 1: some reason, I think give you like with an apron

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Speaker 1: and like gloves, like.

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Speaker 2: A stuff getting things done. Relaxation.

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Speaker 4: Man, it ain't you know as a kid, you remember

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Speaker 4: playing in the dirt. You had no toy, but it

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Speaker 4: was just so light, dirt fulfil it. Yeah, well I

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Speaker 4: still play in the dirt. That's cool man, you and

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Speaker 4: I know people want to hear more about that. We'll

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Speaker 4: talk about but not today. We're going to talk about

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Speaker 4: the preseason game against Baltimore, and I would just start

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Speaker 4: with the previous.

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Speaker 1: So let's start super high level. What are you watching

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Speaker 1: for in this game, Fred Smooth.

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Speaker 4: I'm watching for us to match their physicality. I think

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Speaker 4: if you're gonna ever play starters in a preseason game,

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Speaker 4: this will beat the game the second out of three games.

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Speaker 4: Because you're not gonna play them in the third game.

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Speaker 4: That gives the guys at bottom of the roster chance

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Speaker 4: to make it.

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Speaker 2: This is the game you're gonna play in.

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Speaker 4: Defensive wise, it's most definitely a challenge any time you

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Speaker 4: play against a guy like Lamar Jackson, but also on

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Speaker 4: the offensive side for Baltimore, they might with all new

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Speaker 4: offensive coordinator. He wants to see his offense how it looks,

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Speaker 4: some totality. So at the end of the day, I

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Speaker 4: think it's an ultimate measurement stick, especially with this being

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Speaker 4: the second game.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure I couldn't said it better.

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Speaker 5: I think when you're looking at it as a whole

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Speaker 5: or you want to see how your team, you know,

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Speaker 5: you know, measure up, you know, as a whole, but

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Speaker 5: then also individual matchup. It's gonna be a lot of

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Speaker 5: individual matchups where you want to see your young guys.

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Speaker 5: Young guys might get a chance to go against some

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Speaker 5: of these guys. That's season pros and to see how

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Speaker 5: they fare out, you know, seeing somebody different in a

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Speaker 5: practice setting, but also too man, when you just think

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Speaker 5: about it, you know, when you look at the claibor

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Speaker 5: players that they have and you look at ours, you

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Speaker 5: want to see how far we off? You know what

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Speaker 5: I mean, are the guys that we said to be

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Speaker 5: the guys for us that's supposed to be leading us

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Speaker 5: to you know, this postseason run. Can we really say

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Speaker 5: that after we play these guys, because these guys have

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Speaker 5: shown year after year that they've been one of those

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Speaker 4: So you're saying, this practice will show us who we

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Speaker 4: need to cut and who we need.

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Speaker 5: To sign basically, you know what I mean, But not

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Speaker 5: even not even on this, you know, on them that

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Speaker 5: it just to see. I mean, we have our guys,

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Speaker 5: We have our core guys who we say that they're

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Speaker 5: the top one hundred, top one hundred, how they fare

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Speaker 5: That's what I look at more than anything.

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Speaker 3: I can't.

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Speaker 5: I don't like to get caught up in the team

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Speaker 5: aspect of it. I want to see individuals go out

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Speaker 5: there and dominate their guy logan, what about you?

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Speaker 1: I was just I was gonna fall for tenor real quick. Though.

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Speaker 1: Do you think those individual individual matchups are important for

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Speaker 1: I mean, because sometimes I'm like, I know you for example,

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Speaker 4: But I don't know a guy like Marlond Humphreys out

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Speaker 2: I want to see where I'm at right now.

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Speaker 5: I think a few of those guys are going to

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Speaker 5: and signe one of they guys up. You know what

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Speaker 5: I mean, Let me do it now, Let me get

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Speaker 5: Because they don't want to do it in the preseason game,

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Speaker 5: me go ahead and do it now and then instead

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Speaker 5: to the level that I don't want to go to.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. So I think what I'm watching for, I'm watching for, like,

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Speaker 1: what does a game plan for me? You look like,

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Speaker 1: you know, like because it's not going to be a

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Speaker 2: But don't you think he's gonna game plan more in

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Speaker 2: the practices?

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Speaker 1: I think the game I think so. But I also think,

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Speaker 1: like thinking back to like third preseason games in the past,

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Speaker 1: it wasn't like a full you know, it wasn't like

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Speaker 1: And the fact that it's on Monday and they have

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Speaker 1: like why not, you know, why not see how the

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Speaker 1: is like, what does that look like? Maybe they don't

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Speaker 4: To go back to town As individuality, I think they

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Speaker 2: Him with speed.

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Speaker 4: So I think you go in and you find these

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Speaker 4: individual matchups, especially talking to the other coach and let's say,

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Speaker 4: let's see Montel Switt versus Morgan Moses. So I think

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Speaker 4: and think about it, let's group it more like, let's

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Speaker 1: But also I think that's probably something that they you know,

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Speaker 1: they addressed in the joint practices, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: I think that's easier to do in the joint practice.

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Speaker 1: I think here it's like, how does the defense look

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Speaker 1: put a game plan out too. In Baltimore, they do

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Speaker 1: run a lot of kind of I don't say unusual

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Speaker 1: stuff that they run power, they run counters, they run

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Speaker 1: And I think back to the Cleveland game and the

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Speaker 1: a good offensive line versus extended play? Does the defensive

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Speaker 1: They had dominant moments, but not quite as dominant as

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Speaker 1: I think they or we were hoping for. So those

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Speaker 1: are the things I'm looking for.

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Speaker 4: Are we looking Are we looking through alliance in the

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Speaker 4: past at this offense? Because when I think about the

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Speaker 4: Ravens offense out, I think about his physicality.

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Speaker 1: It's a different offense.

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Speaker 4: Anytime I think about Ravens, like anytime I see an offense.

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Speaker 2: With a full back, I think physicality.

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Speaker 4: They have a three hundred pound full back, but they

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Speaker 4: also have a new offensive coordinator and they brought in

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Speaker 2: Like, we don't know what they're going to look like

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Speaker 1: So it's really funny. It kind of feels like when

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Speaker 1: you watch the first preseason game, it feels like they're

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Speaker 1: running two offenses. It feels like they're running this kind

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Speaker 1: there's like a fullback end and two tight ends and

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Speaker 1: a very schizophrenic offence. And I think I think one

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Speaker 1: we are going to keep our gap running scheme, you

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Speaker 4: Why not?

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Speaker 1: And so I think, like that'll be really interesting to

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Speaker 1: that formationally? You know, because like they want to have

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Speaker 5: That's gonna hurt team too, because I remember my first

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Speaker 5: he brought in some of the stuff he knew he knew,

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Speaker 5: and that's what he ran in four and I'm remember five,

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Speaker 5: after playing a game, he scratched everything. He said, Okay,

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Speaker 5: we're gonna keep our run game, but every week we're

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Speaker 5: gonna run the past game. We're gonna be We're gonna

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Speaker 5: be passed, pass happy and friendly and take whatever's working

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Speaker 5: against the team. Were going against whatever the other team ran.

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Speaker 5: If it worked and we don't have it.

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Speaker 3: We add it.

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Speaker 5: And so we added passes. And I used to come

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Speaker 5: just to make sure for practice that I can run

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Speaker 5: every route or everything that we was ad for the week.

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Speaker 5: You would have me come in early and say hey, Tanny,

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Speaker 5: you can run this, and I literally be like yep.

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Speaker 5: I was just saying yeah, because I wanted him to

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Speaker 5: just put it in whatever give me an opportunity that

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Speaker 5: gave me a fourteen hundred yard season in my first

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Speaker 3: We scratched that that' started play the next year.

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Speaker 5: Thinking back with what you're just saying, how it almost

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Speaker 5: seemed like two offenses. I felt that teams didn't know

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Speaker 2: And it was when we.

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Speaker 5: Got in the passing game, they was like, oh, we

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Speaker 5: didn't see them run this on tape.

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 5: We was running the same thing that beat you last

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think, like, those are some storylines I'm

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Speaker 2: He has to new offensive coordinator to whide receivers.

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Speaker 4: We try to get you some reps.

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Speaker 4: Yep, do not rush up field, like Tanna said, not

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Speaker 5: You want to minimize that pocket as much as you

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Speaker 2: Did just run for light.

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Speaker 5: He had to, so he had no choice but to.

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Speaker 3: Who does that? Well?

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Speaker 4: And like I said, running quarterbacks force us to play

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Speaker 2: Two men two men on it turns my back to him.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we won't ever, so we are.

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Speaker 2: But we can only play cover two, cover four, covered three.

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Speaker 1: It'll be interesting to see what they do because like

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Speaker 2: Well, I think he No, nothing's too big for him.

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Speaker 4: I think he'll be ready for I think he'll be

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Speaker 2: So I'm ready to see him with versus those.

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Speaker 4: I'm not here trying to outstage our guys. I'm trying

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Speaker 1: I mean, I kind of think that Jay Flowers matchup

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Speaker 4: To get his hands on the Jay fly Like you

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Speaker 3: Yeah. One of the things that Forbes spoke on is that.

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Speaker 3: Can run anybody. Man. I will be pressing everybody. I

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Speaker 5: I'm pressing you because I want to make sure the

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Speaker 3: Here, he's gonna be patient enough. He's gonna put hands

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Speaker 4: Is he one of them guys that like to show

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Speaker 5: Or yeah, you got also think I ain't mean to

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Speaker 3: Got that man man you running with him, Yeah, then

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Speaker 2: I'm not playing these games. Yeah if I do, I

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we got nothing but guys that sitting now, Oh

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna make sure that now I got you to

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Speaker 5: So you should be able to play those kind of

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Speaker 4: And that situation of football, what when they come out

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Speaker 4: I want to see Saint.

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Speaker 4: I think Cam Curll Andrews is the one, Isaiah likely

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then one of the ones you can do

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Speaker 1: it's tougher to kind of get him down as that

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Speaker 1: nickel player, you know. And I think that's it'll be

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Speaker 1: interesting to see how they handle that, especially with a

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Speaker 1: guy like Mark Andrews, because I think like structurally they're

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Speaker 1: kind of in a situation where it has to be

447
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Speaker 1: Saint Juice, but they have so much flexibility in the

448
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Speaker 1: back and maybe Percy comes in and plays post, Cam

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Speaker 1: comes down in the box. It'll be interest to see

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Speaker 1: how the well.

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Speaker 4: I think they're just making everybody interchangeable right now. It

452
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Speaker 4: ain't nothing else they need to see from Cam Curle

453
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Speaker 4: when it comes from being in the box checking. People like,

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Speaker 4: let's work on your middle of the field things so

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Speaker 4: we can rock and roll with defro.

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Speaker 2: I think they're just they're just.

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Speaker 4: Letting Cam be Cam right now and work on his

458
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Speaker 4: all the round game because they know what he could

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Speaker 4: do in their box.

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Speaker 1: It was actually a really nice discussion of the defense.

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Speaker 1: I was surprised that I will that one, honestly. So

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Speaker 1: let's talk about the offense. I never want to talk

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Speaker 1: to you. I know we're offensive.

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Speaker 4: Man like offense sale tickets, defense win chim.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that's true anymore. Statistically, we got

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Speaker 1: to get our analytics guy in here, but I think offense.

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Speaker 4: Wins leaning on analyt What about the good old I tists.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. So let me ask you

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Speaker 1: this right real quick. We got we've got time for

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Speaker 1: a little diverse. We do four hours already. So statistically,

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Speaker 1: what is the likelihood that a number one defense stays

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Speaker 1: number one the following year?

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Speaker 2: It's basically it's very low.

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Speaker 1: It's basically zero.

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Speaker 4: I was the aitation that but number one offense, stay

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Speaker 4: in number one.

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Speaker 1: That's a great point. But look at Kansas City, like

478
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Speaker 1: they're always in the top five.

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Speaker 2: Right, Well, my mama said it will come out of

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Speaker 2: the word, but.

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Speaker 4: You say the word buddy using some bs.

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Speaker 2: This is what I'm saying. Offices go up and down,

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Speaker 2: just like defense.

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Speaker 1: But like Kansas City, you know, the Bills like they

485
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Speaker 1: like good offenses stay good because good quarterbacks stay good.

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Speaker 1: And it's a quarterback driven league. Defenses are so closely tied.

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Speaker 4: I don't need us do we need you to y'all need?

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Speaker 3: That would be how far do you drop from from

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Speaker 3: being the number one win?

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Speaker 4: But you don't need to be the number one defense

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Speaker 4: to be the defense that wins the Super Bowl, because

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Speaker 4: I would have to have an optimistic, uh, top ten

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Speaker 4: defense than just the number one defense. Optimistic mean we

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Speaker 4: get the ball back and we give our offensive.

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Speaker 1: Shop to stick. Yeah. Well, I think a good example

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Speaker 1: that's Cincinnati from a couple years ago. They were like

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Speaker 1: a top ten defense, but they were a game plan

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Speaker 1: defense fence. So they came out with that Tampa two

499
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Speaker 1: really soft coverage versus Patrick Mahomes in the playoff game.

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Speaker 1: Ye yeah, in the in the divisional round, yep, and

501
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Speaker 1: they beat them. You know what I'm saying to go

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Speaker 1: to the super Bowl because because they were able to

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Speaker 1: kind of find the right thing.

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Speaker 2: It works for this game.

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Speaker 4: And guess what, let's go ten drives, ten drives outfense

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Speaker 4: defense if I can get your offense off the field three.

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Speaker 1: Times, especially one of those offenses we want. But what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying is, like the top the top defenses don't drive.

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Speaker 1: Don't drive wins the same way they used to. It

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Speaker 1: used to be like you could have a defensive football

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Speaker 1: team like the Baltimore Ravens are great examples. Yes, and

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Speaker 1: they would win. They would win you a championship, which yeah,

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Speaker 1: because they'd get six turnovers yet pumper turn touchdown and

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Speaker 1: it'd be like twenty eight to zero and not an

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Speaker 1: offensive pens score. Ye. Now, I think because of the

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Speaker 1: potency of offenses that is not as effective.

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Speaker 2: But you're not willing to say this.

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Speaker 4: It's only the same characters winning for hell Brady for

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Speaker 4: twenty years and now packed my holes from twenty more.

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Speaker 4: It ain't like a situation where Aaron Rodgers, he didn't

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Speaker 4: had good offenses for eighteen consecutive years, he got one

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Speaker 4: championship rings show full and that championship ring is when

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Speaker 4: he had Childs Woodson and that defense.

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Speaker 1: But also I think to that point, I do think

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Speaker 1: there is this, like miss this misnomer with offensive philosophy

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Speaker 1: that you got a good quarterback, you gotta throw the

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Speaker 1: ball all the time. You need to have a balanced offense, Tanna.

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Speaker 1: You need to be able to run the ball when

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Speaker 1: you need it, like you need the good defense when

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Speaker 1: it's needed. But I do think, just in terms of

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Speaker 1: analytics now, offense drives production a little bit more. So,

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Speaker 1: let's talk about our offense. Yeah, Sam haliversus Baltimore Defense's

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Speaker 1: Baltimore defense isn't quite what it's been the past, you know,

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Speaker 1: ten years. They don't have like that. They've got young

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Speaker 1: edge players that are developing.

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Speaker 2: They can be dangerous.

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Speaker 1: They can be dangerous, no doubt, but they haven't consistently

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Speaker 1: showed on this team. Yes, they've got two of the

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Speaker 1: best linebackers in football right now, Queen and Rokwan Smith.

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Speaker 1: And then they've got I don't know, like their secondary

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Speaker 1: is kind of weird.

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Speaker 2: Nid Humphreys Good, Hamilton Good.

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Speaker 4: I think the one thing we can always say about

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Speaker 4: the Raves.

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Speaker 1: They draft will.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but they also draft well put guys on the

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Speaker 4: shiff and didn't bringing my two years later and were like, who.

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Speaker 2: The hell is there? They do a great job of it.

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Speaker 4: So I'm never gonna go to a Baltimore game and

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Speaker 4: not expect defense, Like I'm sorry, this this their calling court.

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Speaker 5: That's the that's the culture, that's that's what they regardless

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Speaker 5: of who you are, like, that's what we do.

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Speaker 3: This is what we do.

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Speaker 5: So at the end of the year, you wonder why

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Speaker 5: that this team basically thrives behind the same style of

556
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Speaker 5: play if ray lewis they are not, because this is

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Speaker 5: what this is the tone we said, and this is

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Speaker 5: our culture. So I'm one of those guys that I

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Speaker 5: care less who the names are.

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Speaker 2: Just show me the Halmets.

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Speaker 5: Just showed me to him and what and I'm gonna

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Speaker 5: tell you what they do and what they do best.

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Speaker 5: We had to bring out a game offensively, no matter.

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Speaker 3: They do.

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Speaker 2: Mimic Pittsburgh the whole divisions.

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Speaker 4: Like I told you, Pittsburgh is the only team that

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Speaker 4: wins with unattractive quarterbacks. All right, unattractive quarterbacks in good defense.

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Speaker 4: And guess what the Ravens major in it too.

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Speaker 1: So same, Hell, what's the expectation against that attracted? Do

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Speaker 1: know what's the expectation? Yeah, come on, I thought I

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Speaker 1: was going with quarterback face on that. But I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: I thought we were going with the quarterback face test.

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Speaker 1: So what I'm saying is like, what is a good

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Speaker 1: outing for him? Do you want to see what it

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Speaker 1: looks like versus versus Cleveland? Can he do that again?

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Speaker 1: Like what's the clean jersey?

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Speaker 2: I want to see him leave the.

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Speaker 1: Game more offensive line related, I guess.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's him to get the ball at your hand.

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Speaker 3: So we're talking about the preseason game.

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Speaker 2: On to my the game is helf between Sam versus

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Speaker 2: the right.

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Speaker 5: You want to see him pick off Rarey left off.

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Speaker 5: I mean, you know, if it's scoring and scoring, we're scoring.

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Speaker 5: But I want to see, Like I said, I didn't

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Speaker 5: go into the preseason the first preseason game looking for

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Speaker 5: touchdowns and big you know, you know, big plays. I

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Speaker 5: want to see us move the ball consistently, you know,

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Speaker 5: be productive. I think when you saw that first series,

590
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Speaker 5: we had what two first downs easy quick like that

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Speaker 5: he ran one time and then he one time he

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Speaker 5: threw the ball. He was moving the ball until we

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Speaker 5: got that penalty and then for you know, it was

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Speaker 5: sack and then we punting, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: So I just want to see a production. I want

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Speaker 3: to see us move.

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Speaker 5: The ball, take advantage of the opportunity we have. If

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Speaker 5: it's not there, get off the field, but try to

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Speaker 5: move the ball as efficiently as you can. And I think,

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Speaker 5: to me, that's a win in the preseason. Now this

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Speaker 5: is the second preseason game, so they're being there a

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Speaker 5: little more. So, Yeah, you want to see a score

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Speaker 5: as well. You want to see some some kind of

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Speaker 5: points come out of east drive here and there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, our producers giving me the hook. But

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Speaker 1: real quick, one guy that you're watching, bubble guy? Real quick,

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Speaker 1: who's someone you're keeping an eye on?

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Speaker 5: Kind of like JP man, JP to me, Jerry pat

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Speaker 5: Patterson the bubble guy. Now he's a bubble guy. Just

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Speaker 5: because with the question is running back of bull guy?

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Speaker 1: I mean you're watching whoever you're watching?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I say, JP could running back room

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Speaker 5: looking pretty fear it's crazy And I like and I

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Speaker 5: like him. I love him and I don't like him,

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Speaker 5: and I tell you I love him. I feel like

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Speaker 5: we haven't We're not the team for him.

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Speaker 3: We don't we we don't use him.

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Speaker 5: I think he's a guy that can can be big

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Speaker 5: on special teams, and he's the guy that you can

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Speaker 5: hide in your back field.

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Speaker 3: And and get a ball to.

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Speaker 5: So I'm hoping that if we don't have a spot

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Speaker 5: for him somewhere, somebody.

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Speaker 4: Jones Jewish, this is what I thought it could be. Now,

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Speaker 4: I won't say a bubble guy. I'm gonna go back

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Speaker 4: to Sam Howe. Yeah, because like, because I just think

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Speaker 4: he's so important. But also I think the setup is

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Speaker 4: very the greatest show on turf flight for this team. Yes,

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Speaker 4: because when Kirk Warner came to the team, they had already.

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Speaker 2: Had this this this.

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Speaker 4: Good wide receiving cord, they had martial fault back, and

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Speaker 4: they were just waiting on this quarterback that nobody gave

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Speaker 4: a chance. I remember the preseason when Kirk like they

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Speaker 4: starting Kirk Wanner and everybody was like they started who

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Speaker 4: like because nobody knew so nobody knew what the story

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Speaker 4: was about to be. I feel this team could beat

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Speaker 4: it because I already said that he reminds me of

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Speaker 4: a hybrid of Tony Romo and Kirk wanna. So all

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Speaker 4: I'm saying is can he can? He had a nostalgia

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Speaker 4: in its story fulfield.

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Speaker 2: I think he can.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I'm gonna say Wiley and Biggers. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: say Wiley. It's because i think he's gotten better each

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Speaker 1: week in practice and then obviously had a tough first game.

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Speaker 1: Can he kind of come back and say like, Hey, no,

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Speaker 1: I'm a good pro, I'm a good starting right tackle.

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Speaker 1: Show what I've been showing in practice. Yeah, show what

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Speaker 1: I showed in Kansas City. I think he will. But

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Speaker 1: that's something I'll be watching. So I think that's gonna

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Speaker 1: do it. For today's show, guys, I think that was

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Speaker 1: a good, very comprehensive review. Yeah, that was a.

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Speaker 2: Very short show.

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Speaker 3: Now this right here, Friz.

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Speaker 4: Didn't do I did not It was it was it

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Speaker 4: was his foul mouth.

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Speaker 3: All right. That's around.

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