1 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: This is the OTP presented by Farm Bureau Health Plans 2 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: did great healthcare coverage with an affordable price tag. Let 3 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:22,280 Speaker 1: Farm Bureau Health Plans coach you through it. They've been 4 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 1: protecting Tennessee AND's for seventy five years. With Amy Wells, 5 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: I am Mike Keith and Titans Radio's draft duo coach 6 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:36,840 Speaker 1: Dave McGinnis and Rhett Brian. We welcome you to Martin's 7 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 1: Barbecue on fourth. It is so exciting as the OTP 8 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 1: live rolls on for day two. Amy Wells, Mikey, this 9 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:50,240 Speaker 1: is a full ot party, Like this is incredible. It's good, 10 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 1: it smells incredible here for starters. I can't get over 11 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 1: the like delicious aromas of barbecue. I can't think about 12 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: anything else. But there's Titans fans here. Everybody's hanging out. 13 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 1: This is great, fantastic fans. Will there be ribs at 14 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:09,679 Speaker 1: some point, Amy Wells, you know there will be ribs. 15 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:12,559 Speaker 1: There are always here. I can't be within a three 16 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 1: block radius of Martin's Barbecue and not get ribs. And 17 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 1: I don't know that everybody here, even on our staff, 18 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: remembers what Martin's Barbecue originally was. Rhett Brian, You and 19 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: I used to sneak out to Nolansville and Pat Martin 20 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:31,960 Speaker 1: had what was a small house, maybe even a shack. Yeah, 21 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: it was. It was in Nolansville there. It used to 22 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: be called the Canary and it was where you could 23 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: learn how to cane bottom weave old antique chairs. And 24 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 1: so that became the first original Martin's barbecue site. I 25 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: went the very first night that Pat Martin opens his doors, 26 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 1: and I've been a fan ever since. He is a 27 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: dying breed of old school whole hog smoked barbecue, very 28 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 1: old school style. It continues to be my favorite barbecue 29 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 1: in the world. He's one of the best at it. Well, 30 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 1: it's a it's a worldwide brand. Now, yes that's correct, 31 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: there's six of them here. But he has tentacles everywhere. 32 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, Pat Martin has a book, now, 33 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 1: yes he does. He has a book called Line of Fire, 34 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 1: Mastering the Arts of pitt Cooked Barbecue, the Grill in 35 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 1: the Smokehouse. And so if you if you love doing barbecue, 36 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:24,079 Speaker 1: this is a great book. You can get him here 37 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 1: at Martin's on Fourth or any of the other five 38 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 1: Martin's locations in our general Middle Tennessee Vicinity. But the 39 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: bottom line is this is an incredible story of somebody 40 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 1: who started with a dream and now calls people like 41 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 1: Guy Fieri for it. So absolutely, I mean, this is 42 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 1: outstanding to be here. We've done other Titans radio productions 43 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 1: here before, you know, in previous seasons. But then, I mean, 44 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 1: the smell that is coming here with somebody please, It 45 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 1: doesn't matter to me who it is, because I like 46 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 1: everybody in here. Would somebody please just bring a rib 47 00:02:56,320 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 1: put it right here? That that's really what we're for. 48 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 1: I mean, this smells amazing and what a great crowd 49 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:05,919 Speaker 1: when the mac don't steer yourself too wrong though, because 50 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 1: the smoked wings with a little side of Alabama white sauce, 51 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: that's what this guy's getting. Later. Man, I didn't want 52 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: to ask for everything once. I just wanted one real burger. Well, 53 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 1: of course there's redneck tacos. I mean, the redneck taco 54 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 1: is what I go for. Yeah, fantastic, and it's strong. 55 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:27,079 Speaker 1: It's a strong play, strong play, all right. So this 56 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:32,079 Speaker 1: is day two of the OTP Live Tour as we 57 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 1: travel around the region visiting with theot people talking Titans football. 58 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 1: A review of our first visit very quick one. We 59 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 1: started at the Columbia Welcome Center. Amy Wells sampled ice 60 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 1: cream from Hattie Jane's Creamery, and your favorite was the 61 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: Cookie Jars Supreme. I sampled it at the location, I 62 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 1: finished it at my home. It was great. We highly 63 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: recommend the Columbia Welcome Center a great spot. Coach Mack 64 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: and Reett have been preparing for Titans radio draft coverage 65 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 1: April twenty eighth and twenty ninth, every pick and rounds 66 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 1: one through three. They have come up with the Coach 67 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: Mack one fifty Coach Mack's top one hundred and fifty 68 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:17,839 Speaker 1: prospects in this draft. We talked about the seven quarterbacks 69 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: that Coach Mac has in his one fifty. That's Kenny 70 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 1: Pickett from Pittsburgh, Sam Howe from North Carolina, Malik Willis Liberty, 71 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:30,279 Speaker 1: Matt Corrall Old Miss Desmond, Ritter Cincinnati, Carson Strong, Nevada, 72 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:34,479 Speaker 1: and Bailey Zappy from Western Kentucky. Both Rhett and Coach 73 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 1: Mack guests three quarterbacks going the first round, although Rhett 74 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: says we could see four. Matt Corrall is their wild 75 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: card quarterback that somebody may love. Both coach Mac and 76 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 1: Rhet guests that all seven of the quarterbacks we discussed 77 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 1: would go in the first three rounds. Rhet named E. J. 78 00:04:55,480 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: Perry of Brown as his potential quarterback sleeper, Coach named 79 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 1: Jack Cohen of Notre Dame as another sleeper, and then 80 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: Coachmack told us why wide receiver money has exploded in 81 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 1: this offseason, saying that the evolution of the passing game 82 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:15,679 Speaker 1: means elite wide receivers are game changers in a way 83 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 1: that elevate them to the point of being paid in 84 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:22,719 Speaker 1: an elite way. Coach Mack says he does not see 85 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 1: that changing. Did I get everything pretty much right there? 86 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 1: Do you always get things right, my Kief? But that 87 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:30,720 Speaker 1: was Yeah, that's good. That's a good wrap up of 88 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 1: what we went through yesterday and pretty good detail. And 89 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 1: as we moved towards a draft, we'll get in greater 90 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: detail and then clearly on draft night then we'll see 91 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:41,720 Speaker 1: how this all unfolds. But that's a great comprehensive round up. 92 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:45,160 Speaker 1: Now we're getting into wide receivers today, and I think 93 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 1: it would be prudent before we start talking about the 94 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 1: wide receivers in the draft to do a little a 95 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: little bit more recap if you don't mind my kief 96 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 1: and kind of summarize a conversation that we had on 97 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: the OTP on Wednesday about wide receivers and mainly about 98 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:07,840 Speaker 1: AJ Brown. Would you do a quick recap just in 99 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:10,720 Speaker 1: the event that there are people here who didn't hear 100 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 1: our discussion about AJ Brown and what's going on right, Well, 101 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:16,720 Speaker 1: it got some attention after the OTP was tweeted out. 102 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:19,279 Speaker 1: A lot of people have responded to that edition of 103 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 1: the show, and I think a lot of what it 104 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 1: came down to is the fact that I really felt 105 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:28,840 Speaker 1: like for the ot people, with there being so much 106 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 1: ants about to talk about AJ Brown potentially being traded, 107 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:35,840 Speaker 1: the question became how did we get to this point 108 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: and what's real and what's not? And I don't get 109 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 1: on anybody in the media for throwing out possibilities hypotheticals. Listen, 110 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 1: you're doing talk shows, you're writing columns, you're doing blogs, 111 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:51,239 Speaker 1: you're doing TV shows. That's what you do. Some people 112 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: don't understand that I do because I did that for 113 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: a living, right And it doesn't mean you're trying to 114 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:59,840 Speaker 1: stir up trouble or you're just making things up. But 115 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: what we laid out was sort of the hundred thousand 116 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: foot view of how it got from receivers are being 117 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 1: paid a lot of money to now AJ Brown could 118 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 1: be the next one being traded. And it started with 119 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 1: a discussion that led to the Jets and the feeling was, okay, 120 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: if they were going to make a move for another 121 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 1: wide receiver after not getting Tyree Hill, who could it be? 122 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 1: And the two names were DK Metcalf and A J. 123 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: Brown because they are players whose contracts are up, and 124 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 1: the question is they obviously are gonna want bigger money, 125 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 1: so could the Jets make a trade for them. Well, 126 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: suddenly that became these two guys are on the trading block. 127 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: It went from this discussion, and I contend a lot 128 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 1: of it ret was because it's New York and I 129 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 1: think anything that echoes in New York becomes a big deal. 130 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 1: And then people start seeing all of these things. It's like, well, 131 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 1: the Jets do have cap room, and they did try 132 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 1: to trade for Tyreek Hill, and they have extra draft 133 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: picks and oh wait, and suddenly it's like he's on 134 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 1: the trading block, right, Well, I didn't go to the 135 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 1: league meetings with you guys, and so I did not 136 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 1: hear what John Robinson said about this. I know what 137 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 1: his comments were, but I didn't hear the gist of it. 138 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: So on Wednesday before we did the OTP, knowing how 139 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: much angst there was among Titans fans about this talk 140 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: and in particular the ot people, I said, John, what 141 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 1: did you say? What is it? And he said, I 142 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 1: want you to tell people what I'm saying to you 143 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 1: right now. And what he told me is he hasn't 144 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 1: called anybody about A. J. Brown, hasn't taken a call 145 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: about A J. Brown. He loves AJ Brown and his 146 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: intent is for AJ Brown to continue to be a 147 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: Titan for a long time to come, because he is 148 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 1: a Titan. We loved him enough to pick him right. 149 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 1: And you know, it was fascinating because what I saw 150 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 1: yesterday from some people that heard from some people is 151 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:07,960 Speaker 1: as they heard that, along with Mike Vrabel's comments on 152 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 1: the Rich Eisen Show that A J. Brown was not 153 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 1: on the trading block as long as he was the 154 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:17,079 Speaker 1: head coach, it seems to have reassured some people that 155 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 1: he's really not being traded and I don't think he 156 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 1: ever was. I just think it started in this weird 157 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 1: way and coach, having been on the inside of those rooms, 158 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 1: I'm sure that stuff drives you crazy. Well it does, 159 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:34,680 Speaker 1: and I think you explained it very well. This is 160 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 1: hot take time. It did germinate out of New York 161 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 1: and plus what they were trying to do is just 162 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:43,679 Speaker 1: because exponentially how big the money has all of a 163 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 1: sudden gotten for receivers, then everybody starts looking at the 164 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 1: next group of receivers that are up for a big payday. 165 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:54,959 Speaker 1: And then those names came into being Deebo, Samuel A. J. Brown, 166 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: DK Metcalf and so then it germinated from there. And 167 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 1: you're one hundred percent right. But John Robinson and Mike 168 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 1: Vrabel did what most coaches would do, what I did 169 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 1: as a coach when that came up. Look, he's our player, 170 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 1: we want him. We've not talked to anybody, So anything 171 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: else you hear out there, don't believe it in the 172 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: world of receivers with all that's gone on, you know. 173 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 1: And we went on the OTP on Wednesday. From a 174 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 1: step A through age. There were a lot of steps. 175 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 1: There were a lot of steps, but as you got there, 176 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 1: you began to say, oh, the temperature's right and here 177 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 1: comes a cold front, and here's the win. And now 178 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 1: by the time you get to age, there's a blizzard, right, correct, 179 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:41,199 Speaker 1: And that's what happened in this case exactly. Suddenly receivers 180 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: are getting a lot of money. The ones who aren't 181 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 1: are being traded. Oh, here a bunch of other guys 182 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 1: who want to be traded again. John Robinson said to 183 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 1: me on Wednesday morning. He goes, I ain't called anybody. 184 00:10:55,440 --> 00:11:00,040 Speaker 1: I haven't been called. I'm not interested. This is this 185 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: is a J. Brown's gonna be on our football team, 186 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 1: right Well, and I think I think when you break 187 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 1: it down and you walk through those steps and all 188 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 1: of the ways that you can see how people would 189 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:16,319 Speaker 1: make well if this then this type of assumptions, it 190 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense. Well, it's easier to draw 191 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:22,559 Speaker 1: a line because you have just in the end of 192 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:26,560 Speaker 1: the wave here the craziest free agency period we've ever seen, 193 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:30,719 Speaker 1: right right, So could it happen anything? You know? So 194 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 1: you can put something out there, and I think you're 195 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 1: right because of the market size of where that came from. 196 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: Rich Samini, who's covered that area for a long time, 197 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:40,719 Speaker 1: had his name detached to that. So it's like it 198 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 1: got legs very quickly, and you have to follow, and 199 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: you do red. I'm not I'm saying one has to 200 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 1: follow what he said. He said, if he is available 201 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:53,560 Speaker 1: on the market, the Jets would be interested. Not he 202 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 1: is available lot right, And he came back and said 203 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 1: after Diana Russini's report and what John Robins said, what 204 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: Mike Rabel said, Rich came back and said, if he 205 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: is made available, I believe the Jets would be interested. 206 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:09,439 Speaker 1: I believe a lot of teams would be interested in 207 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 1: But the whole thing is he's not available, right any 208 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: team with money, And with money is quite the caveat right, 209 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:20,560 Speaker 1: any team with money would be interested in a j Brown. 210 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 1: The Tennessee Titans are not interested in giving him away. 211 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 1: The Tennessee Titans are interested in aj Yeah, the Tennessee 212 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 1: Titans are interested in keeping their man. And let's take 213 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 1: it a step further. The Jets have picks at four 214 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:37,839 Speaker 1: and ten in the first round. And while I listened 215 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 1: to that OTP that you did, and rookie receivers aren't 216 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 1: an immediate plug in and play and go, you can 217 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 1: get a really nice receiver at four or ten, right, Ye, 218 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 1: So there we are, well let's move to the Coach 219 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 1: Mac one fifty and let's talk receivers. Nineteen receivers Rhet 220 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:00,559 Speaker 1: Bryant and Coach Mack have put into the Coach Mac 221 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 1: one fifty nineteen. Can we run through these nineteen? Do 222 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 1: you mind, Mike Keith, I've got the list of nineteen 223 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 1: and so here's the wide receivers that have been pulled 224 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 1: for the Coach Mac one fifty. Garrett Wilson, Chris Olave, 225 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 1: Drake London, Jamison Williams, John Dotson, Traylan Burkes, Jalen Tolbert, Romeo, 226 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 1: Dubs sky Moore, Alec Pierce, Calvin Austin. The third Taekwon 227 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 1: thorpe Valis Jones, Khalil Shakier. That is quite the list. 228 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 1: Where did you stop on the first page? What do 229 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 1: you mean? Where did I stop? Did you say one 230 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:45,080 Speaker 1: Dale Robinson? Oh No, I didn't. Did you say John 231 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 1: Metchi No? Did you say David Bell? Look at this list? 232 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 1: It's even long. Did you say you say George Pickens, 233 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 1: Christian Watson, Christian Watson. Guys, this list is even longer 234 00:13:56,200 --> 00:14:02,959 Speaker 1: than Randy Watson. Christian Watson. Some of you will get 235 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 1: that reference. Who are older? So let's talk about these 236 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 1: nineteen What do you think about this group of nineteen 237 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 1: and the entire group of receivers in this draft, Coachmack, Well, 238 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 1: when you talk talk about a top one fifty, and 239 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 1: when you talk if you're talking about thirty two picks around, 240 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 1: that's going to take you through the middle of the 241 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 1: fifth round. Okay, Okay, Now there's going to be more 242 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 1: than thirty two picks around because now we've got compensatory picks. Okay. 243 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 1: And so when you're talking about this group, there will 244 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 1: be most of this group, in my humble opinion, will 245 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 1: be gone by the end of the fifth round. You know, 246 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 1: most of this group will right here. And so that's 247 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: what you're looking at, and that's what you're looking at 248 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 1: that is out there in collegiate football nowadays, in the 249 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 1: NC DOUBLEA football, because it's the game has evolved, it's 250 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 1: a throwing game. Eleven personnel, which is three wides, one type, 251 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 1: one back, is the predominant personnel group now around collegiate football. 252 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 1: It's a first down person l group. In the National 253 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 1: Football League, so you're starting eleven on offense. Now is 254 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:08,119 Speaker 1: no longer two running backs, one tight end, two wide receivers. 255 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: It's three wide receivers. You've got a lot more playing 256 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: ball now in this game. And so I think most 257 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 1: of these guys, in my humble opinion, as I said, 258 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: will be gone by the end of the fifth round. 259 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: And Mike, some of them are big, physical combat catchers. 260 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 1: Some of their smaller superspeedy slot receivers and everything in between. 261 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 1: Do you have a favorite? You could just say it's okay, 262 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: I have a favorite. You on my favorite. I'll tell 263 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 1: you mine. I know what mine is a child, It's okay. 264 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 1: We won't tell him. You've got to give you. It's 265 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 1: like we're here, all right, We're at Martin's Barbecue. Okay, 266 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 1: it's all barbecue, right, which you love all of it. 267 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 1: I like all of it, and it's all really good 268 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: for you, it is, but it's different like Rhet loves 269 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 1: the wings here. I mean, he was talking about whatever 270 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 1: they were at Alabama. Y sauce, how about white sauce? 271 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 1: Amy can't wait to get into a rack of ribbs. 272 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 1: You're talking about the brisket. It's all good. What type 273 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: do you want? You want to all around? The guy 274 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 1: that I think all around is going to be the 275 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 1: dude sure when he comes into this thing here. Garrett Wilson, 276 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 1: Garrett Wilson, Ohio State, Ohio State. You know, not the biggest, 277 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 1: but this guy is smooth and good. He was a 278 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 1: great route runner, good, good catch radius. I think this 279 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 1: will be the first receiver taking maybe. Do you have 280 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:35,119 Speaker 1: a favorite? You know, I really like Valis Jones. Wow, yeah, 281 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 1: I just really do. I like the way he plays. 282 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 1: There's a lot of things about him that I think 283 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: are really strong. He's a guy I've got, but I've 284 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 1: got a couple. It's the barbecue analogy. He's one of 285 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 1: a few. It's hard to pick from a list like that. 286 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: You go with it. I'll go Burks is my favorite. 287 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 1: After I love him. He is brisket. He is he's brisket. 288 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 1: He is a bad man. He's sick too. He's two 289 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:04,639 Speaker 1: twenty five out of Arkansas. He's one of these guys. 290 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 1: His whole life, he's done everything. He played basketball, he 291 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:14,359 Speaker 1: played baseball. I mean, he's just this phenomenal combat catching athlete. 292 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: Everybody supposedly wants Deebo Samuel Now, who can line up 293 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 1: in the backfield and you can hand it to and well, 294 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 1: I mean this guy you can clearly do it. I 295 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: just like the way he plays, and coach, you don't 296 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:29,159 Speaker 1: think he's gonna go top fifteen, do you? Because of 297 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:31,920 Speaker 1: how he ran. I think he will go in the 298 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 1: top half of the draft. Okay, okay, but the way 299 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 1: he ran, just because there are so many and look, 300 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: he may not go on the top fifteen because of 301 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 1: the other receivers. It's because the other positions that are there. Okay, 302 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 1: there's offensive tackles, edge rushers, edge rushers, you know, corners, corners. 303 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 1: So if you're talking about positions now we're talking about 304 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 1: the draft top fifteen. I mean, here's who he's like. 305 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 1: He's like the guy we just spent twenty minutes talking 306 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:04,119 Speaker 1: A Brown. He's like a J Brown. Well that is 307 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 1: I feel about him the way I felt about AJ 308 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:10,880 Speaker 1: Brown before the twenty nineteen draft, wow, which was kind 309 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 1: of sad and amy. If he were to come here 310 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 1: and be drafted here, he would be a I think 311 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:18,200 Speaker 1: he would be a great fit. I think he would 312 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 1: be a natural for the area. I think he could 313 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:24,119 Speaker 1: get a television deal immediately to host his own outdoor show. 314 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:29,679 Speaker 1: Because off the field, the dude is a total unbelievable guy. Really, 315 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 1: he is an avid fisherman, an avid hunter, bow hunter, 316 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 1: you know, in terms of hunting deer, but amy he 317 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:40,160 Speaker 1: kills and with a knife. Yeah, he would kill, chase 318 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:43,680 Speaker 1: wild boars. He chases wild boars. He not a gun, 319 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 1: He will not use a gun. He used his dog 320 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:49,159 Speaker 1: and a and a knife. He might be eating one 321 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:53,440 Speaker 1: of them. These these these hunting dogs have been specifically 322 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 1: trained to take down wild boars and ferrell hog. They 323 00:18:57,359 --> 00:18:59,719 Speaker 1: corner him, they will get him by the year. And 324 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:02,360 Speaker 1: then I've seen this stuff. And this guy will go 325 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 1: after a wild board that can kill you do it 326 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 1: with a knife because that is more fair. The hog, 327 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 1: catch the hog or the dog. The dog gets and 328 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:16,640 Speaker 1: then he goes in. Then he goes in, and then 329 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: only if it's big enough or if it's not big enough, 330 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:23,680 Speaker 1: he releases. If it's big enough, they eat it. This 331 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 1: dude is Yeah. I tell you who else I like too. 332 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 1: I like one Delle Robinson from Kentucky as as slot. 333 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 1: And there's a different guy, a totally different player, different player, 334 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 1: different position. And that's why I say my analogy here. 335 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:41,640 Speaker 1: There are different types of receivers in this draft. Wandale 336 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 1: Robertson maybe the most twitchy, gidget gadget dude, in this draft, 337 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:49,880 Speaker 1: you start looking at his numbers, his speed, his jumpability, 338 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 1: make you miss he is a slot receiver. Didn't he 339 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:56,119 Speaker 1: transfer from Nebraska to Kentucky? That's correct, all right? So 340 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 1: let's go through a couple more of the he was 341 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 1: mister football in Nebraska as a high school just saying something. 342 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 1: Let's talk about a couple of these other guys. So 343 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 1: we talked about Trey line Bergs, David Bell from Purdue. 344 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:12,879 Speaker 1: Rhett productive is all get out. It's a record center, 345 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:19,120 Speaker 1: seventeen yard games, former basketball player. Not the biggest, twitched up, 346 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 1: most quick athlete, dude. But he's a good catcher. He's 347 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:26,640 Speaker 1: a really good receiver, you know, like him, a good 348 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:28,399 Speaker 1: route runner. I like him, but I like him at 349 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 1: a certain point. He ran four six one, Yeah, he 350 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:33,160 Speaker 1: ran four six one. And then and when you really 351 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 1: start comparing him to what else is on here? To me, 352 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:40,200 Speaker 1: David Bell goes to a football team that is really 353 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 1: comfortable with the rest of their receivers, and this guy's 354 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 1: a nice piece. He's a nice piece. I don't think 355 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:48,679 Speaker 1: he will ever come in and be the guy. He 356 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 1: won't ever be one of these guys we're talking about 357 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 1: in the future. I don't think that's getting twenty five 358 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,119 Speaker 1: million dollars a year. But he's a nice piece for 359 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:58,879 Speaker 1: a football team. And he did the same thing at Purdue. 360 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:01,880 Speaker 1: What he does to point he gets open, he's got 361 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 1: he's a nuance route runner and he catches it. He's 362 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 1: a reliable catcher, and he understands, and he's a he's 363 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:11,199 Speaker 1: a tough guy. He's a combat catcher, but he's not 364 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:16,879 Speaker 1: overwhelmingly physically, size wise and speedwise. He's a four six player. 365 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 1: There's another guy that has I think a lot of 366 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 1: upside and that is sky More from Western Michigan. He's 367 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 1: a guy that, I mean, shoot, mel Kiper himself called 368 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 1: him the most underrated player of all the players. He 369 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 1: is the most underrated guy in this draft. And he's 370 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:37,440 Speaker 1: a guy who's a wide receiver who was incredibly successful 371 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:40,639 Speaker 1: at Western Michigan. Had never caught a pass until he 372 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 1: got to college. He was a quarterback and he was 373 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:45,679 Speaker 1: playing corner when he was in high school. When you 374 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 1: watch him play, the thing that stands out, you know, 375 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 1: we talk about receivers and what you look at when 376 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 1: you're scattering receivers are they snatch catchers, they can they snatch. 377 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:57,920 Speaker 1: His hand size is enormous for a guy that's five 378 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 1: nine and a half. He's got over ten inch mits, 379 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 1: which makes Kenny Picketts look like he's many many meat. Yeah, 380 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 1: he's got a ten Inchmiths. He's a very, very tough guy. 381 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 1: This guy is the quintessential slot player in eleven personnel 382 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 1: with three receivers and and he's a he's a physical player. 383 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 1: I like this football player a lot at only seven 384 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 1: drops in college, first one thousand yard receiver for Western 385 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 1: Michigan since Corey Davis. I'll tell you the company he's in. 386 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,360 Speaker 1: Talented young man. And he's a return man as well, 387 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:31,440 Speaker 1: so he's it can be a core special teams player. 388 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 1: He brings that. He brings return ability to the table. 389 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 1: But I think he starts in your eleven package immediately 390 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,879 Speaker 1: when he comes to your campus. So like if he 391 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:44,880 Speaker 1: were to come here with a j and with Robert Woods, 392 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 1: you think he could be in that unit. He would 393 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 1: have a chance. The answers Yes, he answers, Yes, you 394 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 1: like him that much? All right, So I want to 395 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:56,120 Speaker 1: hit Amy's guy, VELAs Jones Junior from Mobile, Alabama, which 396 00:22:56,160 --> 00:23:01,120 Speaker 1: I know is mobile. Mike's favorite play is mobile, so 397 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 1: he of course played three years at SC, comes to Tennessee, 398 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,359 Speaker 1: is having a nondescript time with the Valls, and then 399 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 1: in week four they move him into the slot, they 400 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 1: make him the punt returner and he becomes the SEC 401 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: Special Teams player of the year. And now there's talk 402 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 1: that he could be picked in Day two of the 403 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:26,359 Speaker 1: draft because of his versatility, his power, what he did 404 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl. Coach, what do you think of 405 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 1: Alis jokes junior? You know, I watched him all year 406 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 1: doing coach to coach with Doug Matthews for twenty weeks 407 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 1: watching in the Southeastern Conference. He got better as the 408 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:41,119 Speaker 1: year went on too. Now to your point, he is 409 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 1: from Mobile. He did go to USC and then he 410 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 1: really transferred back to Tennessee. Applied to come back earlier 411 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 1: because his grandfather got sick, right, he wanted to get 412 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,640 Speaker 1: back closer to home and so but he was denied that. 413 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 1: So he had to go back to USC for a 414 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 1: year and then reapplied and was able to come and 415 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,199 Speaker 1: then stay an extra year. This is a guy that 416 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 1: really exemplifies what's going on the reason the draft classes 417 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 1: are so big right now is that sixth year that 418 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 1: people got because of COVID. This is an example of that. 419 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 1: The thing that you're looking at with him, if you're 420 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 1: going to go on the negative side of him, he'll 421 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,360 Speaker 1: be twenty five years old when he's drafted. He's as 422 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 1: old as some of these players were talking about getting 423 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:25,680 Speaker 1: big money on their second contracts already in the National 424 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,439 Speaker 1: Football League. So keep that in mind. But what he 425 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 1: did when he was at Tennessee, every chance that he 426 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,879 Speaker 1: got to touch the football, he did something with it. 427 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,879 Speaker 1: And then he goes to the combine and puts up 428 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:42,160 Speaker 1: some excellent, excellent physical numbers. He's a physical player when 429 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 1: he plays. If he jumps up into the second day, 430 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 1: it will be because of what he did on the field. 431 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,639 Speaker 1: You know, we asked yesterday down there in Columbia on 432 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 1: the podcast, how much does the combine how much does 433 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 1: that work with the film study. This is a guy 434 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: that really helped himself, not only when you go back 435 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 1: to the film, but also he put the numbers up 436 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 1: at the combine. I like this player. I think wherever 437 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,200 Speaker 1: this player goes, he will make the squad to your 438 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,920 Speaker 1: point four three one and four three six forty yard 439 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:16,119 Speaker 1: dash that ain't slow. The people at Tennessee did not 440 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,879 Speaker 1: expect that either. I called some sources up there and 441 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 1: I said, I know you knew he was fast. Did 442 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,440 Speaker 1: you think he was that fast? And the answer was no. 443 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 1: Now I want to ask you, and I'm glad you 444 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 1: brought up his age. What is the main reason why 445 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 1: an organization or a coach would be a little apprehensive 446 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 1: because he will be twenty five years old as a rookie. 447 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 1: Is it because the father time clock is ticking in 448 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 1: football world? Is that what it is? Yes? And how 449 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 1: long are you going to have him? Right? How long 450 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 1: are you going to have him? Because I mean, it's 451 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 1: just the way, it's just the nature of the beast 452 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:48,160 Speaker 1: in this league. You know, sooner or later physically they're 453 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 1: going to be younger players always coming up to supplant 454 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 1: what you're going to be doing, and so that it 455 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 1: always there's it's a factor. It is a factor when 456 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,639 Speaker 1: you look at it. But the pandemic has created some 457 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 1: of this and in the normally be like young men 458 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,119 Speaker 1: coming out of BYU who went onto your mission trips 459 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:05,679 Speaker 1: and those kinds of well, and let me say this, 460 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:07,920 Speaker 1: Red and that's a really good point when you really 461 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:12,679 Speaker 1: get into draft rooms, age for an offensive lineman is 462 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:16,119 Speaker 1: not as as critical as the older as it is 463 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:21,119 Speaker 1: for a receiver, for a running back. You know, possibly 464 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,679 Speaker 1: for an edge rusher, but there are some edge rushers 465 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 1: that are now playing pretty well into the into their thirties. 466 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 1: But age, you know, really goes with the position too. 467 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 1: But normally these guys, these guys, it starts to drop 468 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,680 Speaker 1: off their physical skills. Speed is what we're talking about. 469 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,959 Speaker 1: Speed and foot quicks is what drops off quicker than anything. 470 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:45,719 Speaker 1: But I guess, just to play Devil's advocate to that, 471 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,439 Speaker 1: you're also getting someone who's a grown up coming into 472 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 1: that You're absolutely you're getting a veteran presence, so to speak, 473 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 1: because he's a guy that's a little older, who has 474 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:58,160 Speaker 1: made some adult decisions throughout his career and is going 475 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,680 Speaker 1: to show up and maybe you can capitalize on where 476 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 1: he is physically for a while and still be paying 477 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,479 Speaker 1: him in his first contract. It does not take him 478 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 1: off a board, right, It doesn't take you off a board. 479 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 1: And I think it's an interesting point you make because 480 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 1: one of the things that you never know about a 481 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:19,160 Speaker 1: lot of these guys being drafted is when they're twenty 482 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 1: and some of the guys who will come off the 483 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 1: board in round one or twenty years old, not yet 484 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 1: twenty one. How are they going to handle all of this? Right? 485 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:30,400 Speaker 1: How are they gonna handle being on their own all 486 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 1: the time. They now have the money situation, the different 487 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,680 Speaker 1: influences that are on them, because in the college situation, 488 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:43,440 Speaker 1: a lot of your situation is very controlled. You're managed 489 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 1: in many different ways. Vanleis Jones is a guy who's 490 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,960 Speaker 1: already lived some life. Yes, he's been through some stuff, 491 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,360 Speaker 1: he's done some things. You stand there and talk to him, 492 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:59,119 Speaker 1: and you get this is an adult. If he makes 493 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,199 Speaker 1: it or he doesn't make it, it's not gonna be 494 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:06,160 Speaker 1: about him as a person. He's not gonna fail as 495 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:10,399 Speaker 1: a human being the way in some cases, you know, 496 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 1: And that's a lot of what we see in this 497 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:16,639 Speaker 1: is the unpredictability. You could say, oh, so and so's 498 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 1: a great kid, and say Valas Jones is twenty five 499 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,120 Speaker 1: years old. Yeah. A lot of times when you see 500 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:26,720 Speaker 1: a player who kind of flames out or something happens, 501 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,880 Speaker 1: it's not always because their body stopped right, It's because 502 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,680 Speaker 1: they can't play. Yeah, it's because they couldn't handle the 503 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 1: arena that all of a sudden they were being put 504 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 1: in when they were twenty twenty one years old. This 505 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 1: is a guy who has seen some stuff, has made 506 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 1: some real life choices, and maybe can be a guy 507 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,719 Speaker 1: who can walk in and be more of a cerebral 508 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 1: presence right away, just to play Devil's a yeah, No, no, no, 509 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 1: it's not Devil's Advocate. He's not off anybody's board because 510 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 1: of his age. Right to begin with, I mean he's 511 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 1: not thirty one, you know, and he's not thirty five. Well, 512 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 1: to quote him at the Combine, we asked him about 513 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 1: that the combine has an available availability at the UH 514 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 1: at the podium, and he said, guys, I'm not forty yeah, exactly. 515 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 1: Come on. Well the other thing he said too, He goes, 516 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,360 Speaker 1: I want a job. He goes, I'm willing to cover kicks. 517 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 1: I'll be a gunner, I'll play running back in practice. 518 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 1: He goes, I don't care. Because as of October, he 519 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 1: wouldn't go into the NFL. No, he wasn't gonna be 520 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 1: picked for the Senior Bowl. He wasn't gonna be picked 521 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 1: for anything. I mean, he wasn't played that much, right, 522 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden he got his chance and 523 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 1: five plus years of work all kicked in and he's like, 524 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 1: I want to be a professional football player. You love 525 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 1: that attitude. Great example of a guy that has elevated 526 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 1: himself in all the right ways, right performance, attitude, and 527 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 1: then performance at the combine. And then I am sure 528 00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 1: the thirty visits that he's making that this what you 529 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 1: guys are saying is coming out in all of those 530 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 1: interview rooms. All right, some predictions, Amy, you go first, 531 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 1: how many wide receivers go in the first round of 532 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 1: this list or in general? Just in general? Yeah, it's 533 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 1: ten high. Oh, ten would be high. I think, I 534 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 1: don't know. There's just so many good ones. It's the 535 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 1: problem I'm having. I'm having a hard time eliminating. All right, 536 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 1: so you're not going to answer, Just let me go last, Okay, Ritt. 537 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 1: I have eight going in the first round. I have 538 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 1: Garrett Wilson and Chris Olave from Ohio State. I have 539 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,959 Speaker 1: Johan Dotson from Penn State. I have Drake London from 540 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 1: Southern Cow. I have Treylon Burke's from Arkansas, Jamison Williams 541 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 1: from Alabama, Christian Watson from North Dakota State. And my 542 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:47,720 Speaker 1: wild card is George Pickens from Georgia, who is coming 543 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 1: off of an injury, but as a monster combat catcher six. 544 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,960 Speaker 1: I had seven his first six and sky Board, Yeah, 545 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 1: I've got I've got six, and I think I think 546 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 1: Christian Watson is right on the up. And then because 547 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 1: Daniels has the injury, you know he's got the talent. 548 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:06,959 Speaker 1: It's just do you want to take someone you know 549 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 1: with with the ACL at that position and lose him 550 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 1: and lose him for a while. Skybore has really made 551 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 1: a move. He's made a move. But I've got six 552 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 1: right now? What's your final number? Amy? My final number 553 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 1: is eight? And taking Rhet's how many I wish you 554 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 1: would have said eleven? How many of this group We'll 555 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 1: let Rhett go first since he was willing to step up. 556 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 1: How many in this group for sure are gone by 557 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 1: the Titans pick at twenty six? I have, by my account, 558 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 1: I have four gone by twenty six. I have Garrett 559 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:43,280 Speaker 1: Wilson and Chris Olave from Ohio State, Drake London from 560 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 1: USC and maybe Treylon Burkes, Wilson, London, Olave, and John Dotson. 561 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,360 Speaker 1: I think so you've got four, I got four, I'd 562 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,320 Speaker 1: say three or four. You four is my number. Now, 563 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 1: I think that the decision could be if if you're thinking, 564 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:05,000 Speaker 1: why receiver at that spot, Jamison Williams from Alabama is 565 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 1: really hard to pass up because of the speed correct 566 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 1: But then I just I love SEC guys too, and 567 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 1: so Treylon Burkes is if he's still there, I think 568 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,320 Speaker 1: he may be there all right. Who of the group 569 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 1: the nineteen receivers and the coach Mac one fifty? Who 570 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 1: in the group would be a great pick for the 571 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 1: Titans at ninety potentially Coach Mac you can go first, 572 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 1: Kalil Shakira out of boys standing like Kali. You saw 573 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 1: him for a week I did at the Senior Bowl, 574 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 1: and when you put his tape on at Boise here 575 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 1: you see a really complete football player. This guy understands 576 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:45,080 Speaker 1: how to set up defensive backs. He understands the nuances 577 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 1: of moves. He's got great body control, He's got great 578 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 1: tempo to his routes. And what I mean by that 579 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 1: is a lot of guys will run fast to the 580 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,280 Speaker 1: break point, then slow down. You can read those as 581 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,880 Speaker 1: defensive backs. You can get visual bird keys off of that. 582 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,920 Speaker 1: When you're watching tell you, I like this Khalil Shakir. 583 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,960 Speaker 1: That's my guy, Rhett. If he's there at ninety, I 584 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,760 Speaker 1: love Valas Jones Junior. I love your pick there just 585 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:09,920 Speaker 1: because of what we've talked about. He can do in 586 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,240 Speaker 1: the return game, play special teams, lineup and running back. 587 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 1: He's willing, he's able, and he's got speed to do it. 588 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 1: That was mine because I think he could be there. 589 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 1: Jalen Tolbert is the one for me. From South Alabama. 590 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 1: The Mobile native was a guy that had a great 591 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 1: twenty twenty and when the new coaching staff came in, 592 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 1: their number one recruiting job was convincing him to stay. 593 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,080 Speaker 1: And then they got Major Apple White in there from 594 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 1: Alabama as the offensive coordinator and they really featured him. 595 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:43,440 Speaker 1: He is. He is a player who makes big plays 596 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,880 Speaker 1: and can do a lot of things. Showed well in 597 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl that he stepped up to the level. 598 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 1: I think he could be if at twenty six the 599 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:57,600 Speaker 1: Titans go edge rusher or corner or offensive line. I 600 00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,800 Speaker 1: think at ninety he would be a really interesting pick 601 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:05,000 Speaker 1: who because another older player who might be able to 602 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,040 Speaker 1: help you because he's he's pretty grown up. Having played 603 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,320 Speaker 1: in various system. You'd love it if he got to ninety. 604 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,719 Speaker 1: I don't think he does, but you'd love it if 605 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 1: you got to night. But they're not just People aren't 606 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:18,879 Speaker 1: just gonna love him because of the heightweights, because he's 607 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:20,799 Speaker 1: not the biggest guy in the world, and he's not 608 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,000 Speaker 1: the fastest guy in the world. And teams have other 609 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,520 Speaker 1: needs as well well, And that's the that's the key 610 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,720 Speaker 1: when we're talking about you know, for the OT people, 611 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,319 Speaker 1: we're talking about these guys in a position right now 612 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,920 Speaker 1: we have not anywhere near got to vertical and horizontal 613 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:38,040 Speaker 1: draft boards where they're getting to pods compared to other 614 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:41,000 Speaker 1: places and other needs on all the teams. But is 615 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:45,360 Speaker 1: there an interest just in this group because of the 616 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,000 Speaker 1: amount of depth that there is at the wide receiver 617 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:53,439 Speaker 1: position and the quarterback thing being not as prevalent this year, 618 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,520 Speaker 1: Does that change? I think it's a little bit. I think, well, 619 00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,920 Speaker 1: I think what it has done, and you've got a 620 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,920 Speaker 1: very good point there. I mean, it's rearranged what the 621 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,279 Speaker 1: first round of the draft is gonna look like with 622 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:08,120 Speaker 1: the quarterback group as opposed to the offensive tackle group, 623 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,759 Speaker 1: the edge Russian group, and the receiver group. And let's 624 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 1: piggyback off of that with what we've been talking about 625 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,759 Speaker 1: on these last couple of OTPs, with what the wide 626 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:19,120 Speaker 1: receiver money is called, the depth throughout, you can get 627 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,319 Speaker 1: a guy and if you see make that pick and 628 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,000 Speaker 1: it hits, and you've got him on a rookie deal, 629 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,520 Speaker 1: you can save yourself some coin like A J. Brown bingo, 630 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:32,799 Speaker 1: who was a second round pick. Yeah. Overall, I mean, 631 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,960 Speaker 1: there have been very few picks that John Robinson has 632 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:41,280 Speaker 1: made in terms of cost towards value. I guess Derrick 633 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:45,200 Speaker 1: Henry maybe, Yeah, but it took Derrick Henry longer to 634 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,319 Speaker 1: become a factor than it did a J. Brown. I 635 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,840 Speaker 1: think you could make the contention that outside of Derek Mason, 636 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,839 Speaker 1: a J. Brown's the best Titans receiver there has been. 637 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,960 Speaker 1: Derrick Henry was behind DeMarco Murray for two years and 638 00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,319 Speaker 1: AJ I remember it well. Three for one hundred in 639 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:06,239 Speaker 1: Atlanta in Week four is where he really started to 640 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:07,960 Speaker 1: make his move. But he had three for one hundred 641 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,120 Speaker 1: in the Cleveland game. That's right, in the first game 642 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,719 Speaker 1: of the season. All right, is there a Day three 643 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,160 Speaker 1: wide receiver that either one of you read or Coach 644 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,600 Speaker 1: Mack would love to have? There? Is a young man 645 00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,680 Speaker 1: that is going to be in Day three from Texas Tech. 646 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:25,120 Speaker 1: He's a Red Raider Erici Zukanma. He is six two 647 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,719 Speaker 1: two oh nine thirty six and a half inch vertical leap, 648 00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,120 Speaker 1: ten foot six inch broad drump, thirty three and a 649 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,560 Speaker 1: half inch arms four or five four forty and really 650 00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:37,319 Speaker 1: started to make explosion and explosive plays. In twenty twenty 651 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,320 Speaker 1: one five catches over forty five yards for the Red Raiders, 652 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,880 Speaker 1: and Matt I add he's versatile because he caught passes 653 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:47,279 Speaker 1: from five different quarterbacks in his college career. He is 654 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,040 Speaker 1: someone that I think you can take in day three, 655 00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:53,520 Speaker 1: bring along the explosion and things are there. He's a 656 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,480 Speaker 1: good catcher, needs to work on route running in those things. 657 00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,560 Speaker 1: If Vylas Jones is there in day three, that's who 658 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,480 Speaker 1: I'm tay and he maybe, yeah, that's who I'm taking 659 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,960 Speaker 1: in day three. I'm running. I'm running to the podium 660 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:09,040 Speaker 1: with that name. Romeo Dubs from Nevada, who's also on 661 00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,480 Speaker 1: coach Max one fifty, is another player that I saw 662 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,239 Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl that I think could be a 663 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,200 Speaker 1: dude like that. I don't know that anyone will love. 664 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 1: He's taller. He doesn't run great. He maybe he's a 665 00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:25,879 Speaker 1: kick cover guy or something. I don't think he's as 666 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,640 Speaker 1: versatile as Velis Jones. But he's a good football player, 667 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,279 Speaker 1: good football player. I like it. I'm glad you guys 668 00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,400 Speaker 1: are on board with my guy now just a minute's 669 00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,840 Speaker 1: always been on board. Let's let's get all the facts 670 00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,719 Speaker 1: out there, all right. So this is the OTP on 671 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:43,720 Speaker 1: the OTP Live Tour. We're at Martin's Barbecue on Fourth 672 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,880 Speaker 1: Avenue in Nashville. And of course we're brought to you 673 00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:51,360 Speaker 1: by our great friends at Farm Bureau Health Plans. Better rates, 674 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,560 Speaker 1: better coverage, better service. That's why Tennessee's have been relying 675 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,520 Speaker 1: on Farm Bureau Health Plans for their healthcare coverage for 676 00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:01,160 Speaker 1: seventy five years. I want to get in tight ends 677 00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:05,800 Speaker 1: before Coach Mac and Rhet Brian get away twelve tight 678 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,440 Speaker 1: ends on the Coach Mack one fifty Amy. Would you 679 00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,440 Speaker 1: please give the names? Yeah, I mean, I'll do my best. 680 00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,959 Speaker 1: I might leave a couple. You let me know, I will. 681 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:19,160 Speaker 1: I've got Trey McBride is on the list, Isaiah Likely 682 00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:24,120 Speaker 1: is on the list. Jalen Widemeyer's on the list. Jake Ferguson, 683 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:31,560 Speaker 1: Craig Dulsich, Charlie Kolar, Jelanie Woods, Daniel Bellinger, Jeremy Rucker, 684 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:38,120 Speaker 1: Grant Calcatara, Cole Turner, and Kate Auden. Did I miss 685 00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:41,840 Speaker 1: anybody on the coach Mac workout plant? You got great? 686 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,080 Speaker 1: We got great. There's gonna be a couple that will 687 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,160 Speaker 1: be off on that list. But it's not your fault. 688 00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,200 Speaker 1: They weren't. Really, it was our fault for putting them 689 00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:51,440 Speaker 1: up there to begin with. Well, this is a final, 690 00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:53,160 Speaker 1: this is we're all right, So this is just a 691 00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,600 Speaker 1: now alright. Is Trey McBride clearly the number one tight 692 00:38:56,680 --> 00:39:00,479 Speaker 1: end prospect? I think, okay, I think I can't jump 693 00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,759 Speaker 1: out and say that somebody won't like one of it, 694 00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:09,120 Speaker 1: that somebody won't will really want a bigger dude. You 695 00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,719 Speaker 1: saw him at at the Senior Bowl. He's not real 696 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:15,320 Speaker 1: he's he's not real tall, but he does everything else 697 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:19,800 Speaker 1: you know that you want. But to this point, I say, yes, Rhett, 698 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:23,279 Speaker 1: I think so. I think the difference of opinion is 699 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,279 Speaker 1: to where he is versus a differences of opinion with 700 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,400 Speaker 1: teams with Greg Dulst's from UC. I think Greg dulcachi 701 00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,239 Speaker 1: he made the more complete tight end. He's made the 702 00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,759 Speaker 1: jump because he's run well. He did a good job 703 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,200 Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl. He showed that he could block. 704 00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:42,839 Speaker 1: He might be the most athletic of the every down 705 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:46,400 Speaker 1: tight ends. I think Isaiah likely. He's probably the best 706 00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:52,320 Speaker 1: pass catching space guy, space guy, the big receiver who's 707 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,799 Speaker 1: playing tight end. Think about Dulsitch is he needs to 708 00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,600 Speaker 1: add a little more functional strength with his arms and 709 00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:59,719 Speaker 1: his uppers a little bit. He's he had a thirty 710 00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:03,120 Speaker 1: five pounds since he went into UCLA. He's a smart guy, 711 00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,640 Speaker 1: an academic All American three point five GPA. I got 712 00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:11,319 Speaker 1: to spend him. He's an impressive guy. And you know, 713 00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,440 Speaker 1: he talked a lot about how bright you had to 714 00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,640 Speaker 1: be to play in the Chip Kelly system in terms 715 00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,239 Speaker 1: of the level of responsibility. I liked him a lot. 716 00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:20,799 Speaker 1: I want to coach. I want to ask you about 717 00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:24,520 Speaker 1: Jalen Widermeyer from Texas A. Oh good, what a bizarre 718 00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,440 Speaker 1: sort of set of circumstances. There were people entering the 719 00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:31,640 Speaker 1: year that had this guy as a top ten pick. 720 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,000 Speaker 1: Yes they did, and then he goes out and he 721 00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:36,040 Speaker 1: does a good job at Texas. Ay and him it's 722 00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:40,440 Speaker 1: not that but his testing has been I mean he's 723 00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:44,520 Speaker 1: running like the forty and five seconds And are you through? Yes, sir? 724 00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:47,840 Speaker 1: Well know because I wanted to get into this because 725 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,080 Speaker 1: you know, we told you yesterday when you asked us, 726 00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,319 Speaker 1: said this, this will change, right because as you go 727 00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:56,080 Speaker 1: through and just what you said, this guy was a major, 728 00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,680 Speaker 1: major prospect coming out of the Southeast. Comment said A 729 00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:03,120 Speaker 1: and M. Who's a really good football team and getting better. 730 00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,680 Speaker 1: And look at his he set the all time record 731 00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,320 Speaker 1: at A and M for tight end catches tight end production. 732 00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:10,880 Speaker 1: But when you start watching him, and so I started 733 00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:14,080 Speaker 1: watching him early, you know, because I'm dialed into the 734 00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:18,080 Speaker 1: Southeastern Conference pretty heavily and I'm going it left me 735 00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,520 Speaker 1: always wanting I want a little more. I want a 736 00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,480 Speaker 1: little more out of this guy to carry that type 737 00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:25,359 Speaker 1: of a saddle that he was being but was put 738 00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,319 Speaker 1: on him. You know, I'm saying, I'd like a little more, 739 00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,600 Speaker 1: a little more, a little more. And then when these 740 00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,319 Speaker 1: other guys, you start watching tape and you start going back, 741 00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:36,160 Speaker 1: if you're honest with yourself, he's a heavy footed guy. 742 00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:39,600 Speaker 1: He's not real nimble. Is what goes on. And when 743 00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:42,640 Speaker 1: you start we start really watching him, there's some things 744 00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,879 Speaker 1: that you go, clearly he's not in the top ten, 745 00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:50,839 Speaker 1: maybe he's not even in the top twenty. And then 746 00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,799 Speaker 1: you start working through it with these other people. I mean, 747 00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,200 Speaker 1: now you start, as I say, about taking him off 748 00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:59,000 Speaker 1: on the top one fifty list. We're talking about the 749 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,200 Speaker 1: fifth round. That to me is about where you start 750 00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,560 Speaker 1: looking at him. That's where you start looking at him, 751 00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:08,080 Speaker 1: because his film when you start to digging into it, 752 00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,520 Speaker 1: and then his numbers don't match up with all the hype. 753 00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,200 Speaker 1: This is what you're talking about, Coach Mack. First of all, 754 00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,200 Speaker 1: he had the drop seas in twenty twenty one. Eight 755 00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,880 Speaker 1: drop balls not good, But of his one hundred eighteen 756 00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:23,120 Speaker 1: receptions in college, only four of those were a thirty 757 00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:27,200 Speaker 1: plus yard play. There's no yack yards, there's no explosion afterwards. 758 00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,719 Speaker 1: That's the heavy footed he's talking about. But I mean, 759 00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,520 Speaker 1: this is a game that I would say he had 760 00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:38,600 Speaker 1: a disastrous combine. Is that too hard? I think, yeah, 761 00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,279 Speaker 1: not only the forty, the rest the rest of it. 762 00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,239 Speaker 1: And then his Pro day was no better. I mean 763 00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,839 Speaker 1: he was, I mean he put up numbers. Yeah. Well, 764 00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:52,200 Speaker 1: I mean Coach Max said it yesterday and reiterated it 765 00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:55,839 Speaker 1: today that there's time two different things that you're evaluating here. 766 00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,560 Speaker 1: There's his performance on the field and there's all of 767 00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:02,560 Speaker 1: the supplement stuff leads up to the draft. But it 768 00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,919 Speaker 1: kind of makes you go, yeah, but this is this 769 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,040 Speaker 1: is not like the Hamilton kid from Notre Dame. No, 770 00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,160 Speaker 1: who the really good safety who maybe he's run a 771 00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:15,759 Speaker 1: little slower than what everybody felt. It's dramatic. This is 772 00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:19,160 Speaker 1: dramatically different twenty five and a half inch vertical league. 773 00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,480 Speaker 1: There's no explosion there. Yeah, but but the thing is, 774 00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,960 Speaker 1: what if and this happens, what if he's just a 775 00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:29,040 Speaker 1: really good football play? Well, the sense that you get 776 00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:32,160 Speaker 1: and so I mean I called people, okay, this is 777 00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:37,200 Speaker 1: what we want on the people. But part about being 778 00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:38,759 Speaker 1: able to talk to people and they talk to you 779 00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:42,800 Speaker 1: is you don't. But I'm just saying they wanted more too, Okay, 780 00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,359 Speaker 1: I mean you want you wanted more when you when 781 00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:47,680 Speaker 1: you started, when you started looking at it, and when 782 00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:50,239 Speaker 1: ret reht Has has got all the he's our guy 783 00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,560 Speaker 1: that pulls out all particulars. But I know what I'm 784 00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:54,720 Speaker 1: seeing on film, and as I said, I went into 785 00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:58,520 Speaker 1: it fully expecting to see a dude, and I saw 786 00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:04,279 Speaker 1: an Okay, guy, I just didn't see a dude. Okay, interesting, interesting, interesting, 787 00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,240 Speaker 1: So let me ask you this coach, Some tight ends 788 00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:11,080 Speaker 1: aren't asked to do certain things ago in college offenses. 789 00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:13,600 Speaker 1: Some of them aren't asked to go out for passes, 790 00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:16,359 Speaker 1: some of them aren't asked to block. Is tight end 791 00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:21,000 Speaker 1: evaluation as much of a projection as any other position 792 00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,239 Speaker 1: in the draft because of that, Yes, and you bring 793 00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:26,239 Speaker 1: up the most important point that people need to understand, 794 00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,080 Speaker 1: and the tight end position has changed in the National 795 00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:32,440 Speaker 1: Football League throughout the years. We start talking about the 796 00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:36,400 Speaker 1: game being opened up with wise horizontally and expanding, and 797 00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:40,680 Speaker 1: was talking about the proliferation of eleven personnel and most 798 00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,239 Speaker 1: twelve personnel, which is a two tight end set. One 799 00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,320 Speaker 1: of those guys is a split out receiver. So the 800 00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:51,319 Speaker 1: position has changed the requirements within the offensive system that 801 00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,880 Speaker 1: you're running. You know, most people have one guy that 802 00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,239 Speaker 1: can really do something well and the other guy that 803 00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,719 Speaker 1: can do something a little bit better on the other 804 00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:02,440 Speaker 1: end of it. You know, those guys that can do both, 805 00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:06,560 Speaker 1: like the gronks. Those guys are the special guys. Those 806 00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:10,680 Speaker 1: guys are the dudes. So the answer to your viable 807 00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,480 Speaker 1: question is yes, it is and plus it goes to 808 00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:16,560 Speaker 1: the scheme that you're running. What are we going to 809 00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:19,520 Speaker 1: ask him to do? Or what traces he have that 810 00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:23,000 Speaker 1: we think we can train into him or that we 811 00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,120 Speaker 1: can improve upon that he can help us in what 812 00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:26,920 Speaker 1: we're gonna ask him to do. One of the prime 813 00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,360 Speaker 1: examples of this question, and what you've just explained is 814 00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:32,960 Speaker 1: Daniel Bellinger from San Diego State. Jeff Hecklinsky is the 815 00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:36,960 Speaker 1: offensive coordinator there. It's a very run heavy scheme. Daniel 816 00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:40,600 Speaker 1: Bellinger has all the measurables. He's six nearly six five 817 00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:44,360 Speaker 1: two fifty three hands, ten and one eighth inches, thirty 818 00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,680 Speaker 1: four and a half inch vertical lead, twenty two reps 819 00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,440 Speaker 1: at two twenty five. He only had sixty eight catches 820 00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:53,279 Speaker 1: in college. He had three drops. That's it. And by 821 00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,960 Speaker 1: the way, regular on kick and punt return coverage. So 822 00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:58,960 Speaker 1: he's a core special teamer. He's considered by a lot 823 00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,040 Speaker 1: of people might to be the best blocking tight end 824 00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:02,839 Speaker 1: in this draft, but I think he has hands too. 825 00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,200 Speaker 1: That's what everybody said at the Senior Bowl is the 826 00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:09,400 Speaker 1: feeling was he was the best blocker and does he 827 00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:12,359 Speaker 1: is he able to elevate us because he can get 828 00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,640 Speaker 1: on the field to block, and then all of a 829 00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:17,279 Speaker 1: sudden you start throwing to it the answer to your 830 00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,759 Speaker 1: question and bring it up and this is this is 831 00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,080 Speaker 1: a great I hope people are recording this. This is 832 00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:31,160 Speaker 1: hope we're recordings. I think so yes, because that's exactly 833 00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:34,759 Speaker 1: what you do with this position. And he is a 834 00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:38,080 Speaker 1: prime example of that guy that you say we can 835 00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:42,080 Speaker 1: make him into what we want. Outside of Trey McBride 836 00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:45,560 Speaker 1: from Colorado State, Reet Bryan, who's the safest tight end 837 00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:48,400 Speaker 1: pick in your mind, I go back to UCLA's Greg Dulstch. 838 00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,680 Speaker 1: I think he's maybe the most ready made tight end 839 00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:54,640 Speaker 1: out of this group. And we mentioned what a smart 840 00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:57,359 Speaker 1: guy is as an academic All American, but I think 841 00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:01,680 Speaker 1: he's he's the guy that's not named Trey McBride, dussa, 842 00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:04,960 Speaker 1: who's the wild card in the tight end group who 843 00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,960 Speaker 1: can become a star. I'm gonna say Isaiah likely because 844 00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,400 Speaker 1: he doesn't look like a tight end, you know, and 845 00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,319 Speaker 1: somebody's gonna take him and move him out there and 846 00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:15,920 Speaker 1: start moving around because when he gets out there in space, 847 00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:17,960 Speaker 1: you know, he may be one of those guys that 848 00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:21,000 Speaker 1: has an enormous amount of catches when they put him 849 00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,560 Speaker 1: in his rookie season. You just don't know. This is 850 00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:25,640 Speaker 1: not a guy that you're gonna anchor in there and 851 00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,399 Speaker 1: say this is my war horse. Is gonna block the edge. 852 00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,839 Speaker 1: That's not his game. But anything else when you look 853 00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,160 Speaker 1: at it, look at what he is. You know, six 854 00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,600 Speaker 1: oh four and a half two forty five, he can 855 00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:40,320 Speaker 1: move in space. Possibly this guy my wild card, guy's 856 00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:43,839 Speaker 1: cold turner from the bottom converted wide receiver, only played 857 00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:47,680 Speaker 1: the position for two years. He's currently six six and 858 00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:52,239 Speaker 1: change two forty nine, twenty seven vertical jump decent three 859 00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:55,960 Speaker 1: cone time, but on ninety three targets as a senior 860 00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,760 Speaker 1: in that offense, only three drops. He has a physical 861 00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,439 Speaker 1: atitude as a blocker. Probably needs to add some more weight. 862 00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:04,840 Speaker 1: He's another guy that's added weight as he has changed 863 00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,680 Speaker 1: to the position. But that's a guy's one of the 864 00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,719 Speaker 1: only four FBS tight ends with double digit touchdowns in 865 00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:13,800 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. He was the weirdest tight end I've 866 00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:16,919 Speaker 1: ever seen physically because when he walked in the room 867 00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:20,040 Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl, right, he is so tall and scanny, 868 00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:22,680 Speaker 1: I didn't know who he was really, No, No, I 869 00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:24,800 Speaker 1: didn't have thought a basketball player showed up in the 870 00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:28,480 Speaker 1: wrong function. I didn't. No. I mean it's like he could. 871 00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:33,800 Speaker 1: He could be two seventy he's two forty ish now, yeah, 872 00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:36,600 Speaker 1: I mean he is a massive individual. And of course 873 00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:41,520 Speaker 1: he was playing with Carson Strong, his quarterback correct at 874 00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:43,680 Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl, and so he got a lot of balls. 875 00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:46,719 Speaker 1: That's his roommate. He and Romeo Dubs both room with 876 00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:50,600 Speaker 1: Carson Strong. So they saw a lot of balls, right, 877 00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:53,960 Speaker 1: And I mean somebody may steal him. Let me let 878 00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:57,960 Speaker 1: me add one more to this list. Good, Gilanie Woods. 879 00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,160 Speaker 1: Oh he's six seven right, yes, And and you talk 880 00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:04,839 Speaker 1: about a different looking dude. You know, it was that Virginia. 881 00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:08,080 Speaker 1: And so somebody's gonna say, come on beyond our team 882 00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:10,479 Speaker 1: and we'll do something with you. I'm gonna add one more, Okay, 883 00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:15,360 Speaker 1: good Charlie Kolar Iowa. Stay. Yeah. This guy how he 884 00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:17,839 Speaker 1: got out of Norman, Oklahoma because both of his parents 885 00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:21,800 Speaker 1: are professors. There goes to Iowa State. This guy is 886 00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:24,480 Speaker 1: an engineer like his father, who is a professor of 887 00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:27,600 Speaker 1: engineering three point nine nine g pa. So sounds like 888 00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:31,239 Speaker 1: if oh, yeah, that's the first time that's ever been said. 889 00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:33,880 Speaker 1: If you ask him to run nine yards because that's 890 00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:35,680 Speaker 1: what he needs it for a first down. He's gonna 891 00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:37,960 Speaker 1: do this in this thing. But thirty five and a 892 00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:41,200 Speaker 1: half inch vertical leap first down rate with one hundred 893 00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:43,239 Speaker 1: and twenty nine it is one hundred and sixty eight 894 00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:47,520 Speaker 1: career catches, seventy six point eight percent of those resulting 895 00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:50,640 Speaker 1: in a first down or a touchdown twenty three touchdowns 896 00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:53,600 Speaker 1: in his career for the cycloonis I think what we've 897 00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,520 Speaker 1: said here is we wrap up this edition of the OTP, 898 00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:01,320 Speaker 1: is that because of other needs and because of numbers 899 00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:05,399 Speaker 1: and just overall depth, if you wait until day three 900 00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:09,160 Speaker 1: to take your tight end, you're just fine. You're just fine. 901 00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:11,960 Speaker 1: And and this has been a great exercise because you, 902 00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:14,680 Speaker 1: I mean, we've covered the gamut of tight ends and 903 00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:18,120 Speaker 1: one size may not fit all, but one size might 904 00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:20,319 Speaker 1: fit really well with what you're trying to do at 905 00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:23,279 Speaker 1: this point in time, and you may steal one. On 906 00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:26,160 Speaker 1: day three. This board is going to look as different 907 00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:29,799 Speaker 1: as any board in the league. John Robinson has two 908 00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,360 Speaker 1: fourth round picks to start day three and two sixes. 909 00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:35,600 Speaker 1: There you go, and two sixes. Nice job, gentlemen have 910 00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:38,000 Speaker 1: done their work here right. I'll tell you what these 911 00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:42,440 Speaker 1: Binders never let me down. Ribs for everyone, Ribs for everyone. 912 00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,319 Speaker 1: We want to thank Pat Martin for having us here 913 00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:49,760 Speaker 1: at Martin's on fourth. Want to congratulate himbody's new book, 914 00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:54,080 Speaker 1: Life of Fire, Mastering the Art of Pitt Cooked Barbecue, 915 00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:57,120 Speaker 1: the Grill in the Smokehouse, and also just congratulate him 916 00:50:57,120 --> 00:51:00,279 Speaker 1: on the great success of Martin's Barbecue. He deserves every 917 00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:03,520 Speaker 1: bit of it. And it's so wonderful to have people 918 00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:06,000 Speaker 1: come in from out of town and say, I gotta 919 00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,719 Speaker 1: go to Martin's and to have known as Redd and 920 00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,880 Speaker 1: I did. We would go out there when he started it, 921 00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:14,799 Speaker 1: and it was the big secret when you brought back 922 00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:19,160 Speaker 1: Martin's Barbecue for a birthday celebration or some sort of party. 923 00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:21,880 Speaker 1: It was a big treat. Still is, but it's a 924 00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:23,960 Speaker 1: treat everybody knows about now. And that's a good thing 925 00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:27,279 Speaker 1: because he smokes the whole hog again. There's nothing on 926 00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:30,080 Speaker 1: the menu that's bad. I promise you just try it. 927 00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:32,719 Speaker 1: You want a smoke blowney sandwich, I like a smoke 928 00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:35,320 Speaker 1: blown What do you want? He's got it. Pat Martin 929 00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:38,399 Speaker 1: is also what I call a great American. The OTP 930 00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:42,360 Speaker 1: Live Tour is sponsored by Farm Bureau Health plans for 931 00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:44,879 Speaker 1: a coach Dave McGinnis, Reet Brian and Amy Wells. Mike 932 00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,880 Speaker 1: Keith says thanks for joining us for the O T 933 00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:53,080 Speaker 1: The Big Show where the Latins call I never Gotten 934 00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:59,200 Speaker 1: Knows It's our house, Tennessee. Making three greatness is mets 935 00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:01,120 Speaker 1: a be as