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Speaker 3: As his lawyers argue, Mahmood was simply exercising his right

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Speaker 3: Political speech is supposed to be protected under the First

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me Adia, Ramsey.

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Speaker 1: With this right wing media spear, this extremist racist media

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Speaker 3: Ramsey Caussen. Thank you so much for speaking to us

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