1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the best of The Doug Gottlieb 2 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 1: Show podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday 3 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 1: three to five Eastern twelve two Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. 4 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:12,039 Speaker 1: Find your local station for The Doug Gottlieb Show at 5 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: Foxsports Radio dot com, or stream us live every day 6 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 1: on the iHeartRadio app by searching FSR Booming Up America 7 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: Doug Godlieb Show. Bye Sports Radio. M mm hmmmmmmmm, what up? 8 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:34,520 Speaker 1: Welcome in Hope. You're doing great the Doug Gottlieb Show. Hey, 9 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 1: guess who's in the studio with the boys in Los Angeles. 10 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 1: What's up, guys, how are we doing? 11 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 2: Dude named Doug. 12 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, some dude named Doug. 13 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 3: That's me. 14 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: I'm just some dude named Doug. 15 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:47,240 Speaker 2: He dude name Doug. 16 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:51,240 Speaker 1: Good to see Dan Byer. I heard you guys filling 17 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 1: in yesterday. Guys did a great job with months. 18 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 3: Thank you, Welcome back, Doug. 19 00:00:57,320 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: Thank you. 20 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 3: Hey got it. 21 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 1: It's one of those things where this is why I 22 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 1: don't actually like taking days off, because now I'm like, 23 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:08,839 Speaker 1: should I talk about that? You guys talked about it yesterday, 24 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: so typebout this talked about yesterday? So let's let's let's 25 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:17,119 Speaker 1: have this conversation. Dan, I was driving yesterday. I want 26 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: to say, I want to know if I was driving 27 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 1: or I was listing on my phone, I can't remember, 28 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 1: but you were talking about this is I don't know 29 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 1: if you said, I don't want to know who the 30 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: word bad, but this is probably the worst We'll have 31 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: the worst champion that we've ever we've had in Yeah, I. 32 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:37,399 Speaker 4: Think whoever wins the NBA title will probably be the 33 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:39,959 Speaker 4: worst champion we've seen in the last forty years. 34 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:42,479 Speaker 1: Okay, contextualize it, well, why you would say worst? 35 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:45,279 Speaker 4: Well, I just I look at the teams that we've 36 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 4: had win titles over the generations that I've watched basketball, 37 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 4: the decades that I've watched there's I don't think that 38 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 4: you could take the and I took the Thunder for 39 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 4: this example, because I feel that they were the best 40 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 4: of the four teams. Remaining sure that they weren't better 41 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 4: than the Lakers teams or the Celtics teams of the eighties. 42 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 4: They weren't better than the Bulls run in the nineteen nineties. 43 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 4: They weren't better than Shacks and Kobe's Lakers in the 44 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:15,679 Speaker 4: early oughts, and then Kobe's back to back championship. I 45 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 4: don't think they were better than the eight Celtics. Then 46 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 4: you go to the Warriors and the Calves and Lebron. 47 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:24,360 Speaker 4: I just don't think that this team is or any 48 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 4: of the four teams that win would match up to 49 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:29,920 Speaker 4: those teams. And I think it's because of a spot 50 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 4: that we're at in the NBA at this point. 51 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 1: Okay, I think it's a really good discussion and I 52 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 1: want to have it. Okay, so a couple things. You're 53 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 1: right as of right now. There's a chance you could 54 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 1: be wrong. Let me kind of expound upon that. The 55 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: first part is you're already wrong from and this is 56 00:02:57,440 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: where your last sentence is right, which is the place 57 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: we are in in the NBA. Because reality is, if 58 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:05,639 Speaker 1: Oklahoma City Thunder and they took a commanding three games 59 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 1: one lead with a win over the Minnesota Timberwolves last night, 60 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 1: if the Oklahoma City Thunder do win an NBA championship, 61 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 1: we got to realize that as much as we think 62 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 1: that they're not great, you know, they're not one of 63 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:26,079 Speaker 1: the elite all time teams. They will have had the 64 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: best record in the regular season and they're very likely 65 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 1: to have, despite the fact Denver took them seven the 66 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:36,119 Speaker 1: best record in the postseason as well, Right, Like it's 67 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:40,119 Speaker 1: the first series. Wasn't heavy lifting for them? This one 68 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 1: may only go five games as well, five, five, seven. 69 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 1: We'll see what the finals go. There's a world there 70 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: where they have You know, what was the thunder play? 71 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 1: I mean the Warriors won seventy seventy one games the 72 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 1: year they won the title with Kevin Durant. How many 73 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: games they win the year? I don't remember. 74 00:03:57,480 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll look it up quick. 75 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: It's like a high sixties whatever, Right, and then I 76 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: think they lost what one playoff game? 77 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was Game four to the Cavs. 78 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: Right, it was like sixteen and one in the playoffs. Right, 79 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: this team has lost, Uh what do we got? 80 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 4: Four? 81 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: Five, five games so far in the playoffs. So obviously 82 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 1: you're not going to be an all time great postseason team. 83 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:19,479 Speaker 1: But if I said, hey, you're the best record in 84 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: the regular season by four games in the better division 85 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 1: which is the or better conference which is the West, 86 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:27,840 Speaker 1: and you have a pretty clean record in the playoffs, 87 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: why are they not a great team? And the reason 88 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 1: they're not a great team is you don't have any 89 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:39,720 Speaker 1: historically great players, right, that's the only yes. Okay, So 90 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: but the issue is, well, what if Shay is Kobe 91 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:51,479 Speaker 1: I will now he'll never be He'll never have the 92 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: persona of Kobe Bryant. His dad didn't play in the NBA. 93 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 1: He wasn't, you know, drafted straight out of high school. 94 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: He actual went to Kentucky, which should have, but he 95 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: because he got traded after the Clippers year whatever. He 96 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:06,479 Speaker 1: switched teams and it's it's been a growth process. But 97 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 1: he's twenty six years old. It's not like he's thirty 98 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: to two, thirty three, thirty four and he's still chasing it. 99 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 1: And he's James Harden, always been good, never come through. 100 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 1: Like he's risen through the ranks to being the league MVP. 101 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 1: And there's a world where they win one and maybe 102 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 1: they went another one, maybe they went another one, and 103 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: then we look back, we're like, that was an incredible team. 104 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:30,839 Speaker 1: Because right now we view Shay as as foul merchant. 105 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:33,840 Speaker 1: He's the MVP. But he's the MVP because it's kind 106 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: of a dark time in the NBA. You have these 107 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 1: aging out superstars and we look at Jalen Williams and 108 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 1: We're like, Jayla Williams is such a surprise, it's a 109 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: incredible surprise. He was lightly recruited. He's out of Arizona. 110 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 1: He played in a small AAU team. Then he went 111 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 1: and played for Herbert Syndic at Santa Clara and last 112 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 1: night he had a great game. And we view Jala 113 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:58,679 Speaker 1: Williams as nice player, number two guy. But again, Jayala Williams, 114 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 1: how old is he? He's like twenty four years old. 115 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 1: So our view of it now in the moment is 116 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 1: completely accurate. But there's a world where these guys get 117 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 1: the thirty and they have multiple titles. Shay gets the thirty, 118 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:14,280 Speaker 1: He's got multiple titles, multiple MVPs, and we're like, wow, 119 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 1: that was an incredible team. Incredible team. 120 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 3: I don't dispute any of that. 121 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 4: And in fact, Doug, I could see a parallel because 122 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 4: one of the passions in my life is golf, and 123 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 4: you know my connections to Aaron Hills, who were just 124 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 4: recently there, and the US Women's Open is there this week. 125 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 3: I'll be there on Sunday. Yes, yeah, I'll be there 126 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 3: on Sunday. 127 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:40,600 Speaker 1: You need, you need I we'll talk about it. 128 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:46,479 Speaker 4: No, I've got I'm doing my Sunday shows. Yeah, well, 129 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 4: I don't know, maybe in the point being, I'll be 130 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 4: there on Sunday. But the twenty seventeen US Open was 131 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 4: thought to be a dud. Tiger didn't play, Phil Mickelson 132 00:06:55,640 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 4: withdrew to attend a graduation and Rory didn't make the cut. 133 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 4: But it wasn't the typical US Open because the rough 134 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 4: wasn't eight feet high that people like, and brooks kept 135 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 4: Go won at sixteen under par. At that point, brooks 136 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 4: Kepka hadn't won a major, so it was brooks Keptkuz first. 137 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 4: So now we look back at this leaderboard that had 138 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 4: brooks kept Go won, Hideki Matsuyama tied for second, Tommy 139 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 4: Fleetwood fourth, Xander Shaffley fifth, Ricky Fowler ended up in 140 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 4: a tie for fifth. Justin Thomas was in a tie 141 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 4: for ninth at eight under and he shot sixty three 142 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 4: on Saturday of the US Open. That's a star studded 143 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 4: leaderboard and the low amateur was Scotti Scheffler. So I 144 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:43,119 Speaker 4: get it, and I defended that US Open. But people 145 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 4: said that's awful. That's awful. Now people would look back 146 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 4: eight years later and say, wow, if you had all 147 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 4: of those names competing for a major championship, that would 148 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 4: be pretty entertaining. Sure, Brooks kept Gez you know, won 149 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 4: five majors now and that was his first I get 150 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 4: all that, But what I think hurts Lahoma City Doug 151 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 4: is the run of champions that we've seen. And they 152 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 4: may end up winning two or three or four whatever 153 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 4: after this, but I think people wanted to annoint Denver 154 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 4: as this juggernaut and even in this playoff series, people 155 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 4: I can't count out Yo Kitchen, can't count out the Nuggets. 156 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 4: People wanted to pick Boston to win it all, take 157 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 4: out Jason Tatum's injury, but still they were losing games 158 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 4: to the Knicks. 159 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 3: Even my Bucks. 160 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 4: Look at all the Bucks have failed in their playoff 161 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 4: appearances since winning the title. I think that goes against 162 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 4: what has now been a run of champions that you 163 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 4: can question and put in that group of not great 164 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 4: NBA champions. And now you're talking about teams that don't 165 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 4: have Yo Kitchen, don't have Yiannis. Maybe SGA is that guy, 166 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 4: he's now the MVP, and they could go on a run. 167 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 4: But as we sit right now, I just don't think 168 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 4: that history is on the side of the Oklahoma City thunder. 169 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 1: Here's the part that Jay stew and I talked about, 170 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 1: because if Jason's honest, right, which he's he's in search 171 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:00,680 Speaker 1: of the opposite of BS, right, that's that he wants 172 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: that on his tombstone. The games have been way better 173 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:11,079 Speaker 1: to watch than the games were. Frankly in many of 174 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: those times when we had the super teams or superstars 175 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:19,559 Speaker 1: agrees right, really compelling games like down twenty twice, the 176 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 1: Knicks came back beat the Celtics, then up twenty they 177 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 1: at home, they lose to the Indiana Pacers, then down 178 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 1: twenty they come back and beat the Pace Like all 179 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 1: of these plus just the action, the way it's played. 180 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 1: It's a good watch, like last night was a good 181 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 1: game to watch on TV. Great game, right, But we're 182 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 1: so caught in the well I'm not watching greatness because 183 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:47,319 Speaker 1: I'm not watching a built in superstar that the narrative 184 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 1: and look, the market size and the lack of success 185 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:54,079 Speaker 1: of Indiana or Oklahoma City is going to lead to 186 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:58,599 Speaker 1: a really lowly rated finals. I like an ad j 187 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 1: S to baseball because people in their mind have are 188 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 1: set in their ways that baseball is boring. It is slow. 189 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 1: It's home run, strikeout, or walk, nothing else, and they 190 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 1: have that has ingrained in their head that they don't 191 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 1: I am watching baseball watch in March. I need to 192 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: watch that stuff whatever, and baseball fans watch it. Nobody 193 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 1: else does. And if you've been watching baseball over the 194 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 1: past I don't know, three or four years since the 195 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 1: new rules, it's awesome. The game moves way faster, It's 196 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: brought athleticism back into the game. There's a ton of 197 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: young players. It can be exciting, maybe not to the 198 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 1: level of an NFL game. Fine, and again here's the 199 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 1: other part. And Jason, you've said this NFL games can 200 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 1: be a brutal watch brutal, yet it's the most watched, 201 00:10:55,800 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 1: biggest sport in the United States. So I guess the 202 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 1: point is that the ratings or the narrative don't always 203 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: fit the product, especially in sports. Is that fair, Jasuo? 204 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 1: Is that kind of what we talked about. 205 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 3: I think the. 206 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 5: NFL is like a way different conversation, right, I mean 207 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 5: in the conversation that it's the worst product that it's 208 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 5: been in many years, and it's getting worse and it's 209 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 5: not going to get any better because they're not going 210 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 5: to practice anymore. In that conversation, is this the reason 211 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 5: why nobody cares to fix it? Is because the gambling 212 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 5: market and the fantasy market people have interests in NFL 213 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 5: games that have nothing to do with the quality of play. 214 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 5: That's an outlier to me. So I can't compare apples 215 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 5: to apples with anything compared to the NFL's popularity. Money, gambling, 216 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 5: fantasy interest is driving those ratings. 217 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 1: I think, yes, no question, no question, it's driving those ratings. 218 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 1: You're absolutely right. But I also think though, that because 219 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 1: the sport is so highly rated, people fall on the 220 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 1: well it's you know, it's more exciting or whatever. You know, 221 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:07,680 Speaker 1: it's it's like I saw, was it Troy Aikman who 222 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 1: was who said that the it's a Christmas Day game 223 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 1: or the Thanksgiving game, which is the Cowboys and the Chiefs, 224 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: it's going to be the highest rated game ever. 225 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:17,839 Speaker 3: Right. 226 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: Meanwhile, the Chiefs are a shell of the team that 227 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: was awesome five years ago and when was the last 228 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: I mean, the Cowboys are the team we make fun 229 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 1: of all the time. Right, It's like, that's not the 230 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: two best team. That's not the two teams I would 231 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 1: want to watch the most right again. And I understand 232 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 1: we're talking about like November December, but if you had 233 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 1: to on paper, like who do you want to watch 234 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 1: the most? Like I don't know what the Lions look 235 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 1: like this year, but I'd probably like to be the Lions, 236 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 1: Like Lions and Chiefs sound way better to me, or 237 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 1: I don't know, somebody else in the Lions sounds way 238 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: more fun. Because we're slow to catch up to what's 239 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 1: popular is not always what's good. 240 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, sure, and eight years ago people wanted the Lions 241 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 4: off of Thanksgiving. Five years ago, maybe, yes, I mean 242 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:01,320 Speaker 4: that's where that's where we've went. And Doug and saying 243 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 4: what I said about the champion. I know it sounds negative, 244 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:09,560 Speaker 4: and I can understand why people can I help. 245 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 3: You with them. 246 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 1: Maybe it's the semantics. 247 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 3: What have you said? 248 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 1: It's the least well regarded. 249 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 3: That's it feels like. 250 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 1: An easy, like a soft, soft way of saying it 251 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 1: an off ramp. But I think that's the reality of it. 252 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 1: It's like, right now, we don't regard them as anything 253 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 1: sort of special, right. 254 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 4: I also think the history of the NBA and what 255 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 4: they've built on and what it's been built on, it's 256 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:33,680 Speaker 4: been built on anything butt parody. It's been built on 257 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 4: superstars and super tea. Sure, and now we're here and 258 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 4: it actually started Doug and thinking of all right, this 259 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 4: is another year where we're in the Final four and 260 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 4: there's no staff and there's no Lebron. So this is 261 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 4: the this is the NBA of the future right now? 262 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 4: Who's going to take the torch? And if this is 263 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 4: the NBA of the future, I'm not mad at it. 264 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 4: I don't know who's gonna win the playoffs. That's why 265 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 4: I'm going to watch Game four tonight. In Game five. 266 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 4: There are other years where all we had to do 267 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 4: is just tune into the finals because we knew what 268 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 4: the outcome was. Those years were not good. I'm not 269 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:05,719 Speaker 4: saying that there aren't positives with this. I love the 270 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 4: drama of it. Minnesota had opportunities last night to get 271 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 4: it done and even the series, and they didn't do it. 272 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 4: But I do just think it's the reality of where 273 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 4: we are and how the face of the NBA is 274 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 4: really really changing. I'm not talking about players. I'm just 275 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 4: talking about what the league actually is and what it 276 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 4: has been for forty and fifty years that right now 277 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 4: it resembles nothing of what it's been. 278 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think my point would be Jordan was viewed. 279 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 1: When Jordan won his first title in ninety one, it 280 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 1: was against the Lakers, right, and the Lakers they were 281 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 1: on the they had the legacy of hey, they were 282 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 1: the Lakers. They won all these titles in the eighties 283 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 1: and Cream had retired. But whatever. But at the time, 284 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 1: no one thought that Scottie Pippen was one of the 285 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 1: fifty greatest players that play in the NBA. At that time, 286 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 1: Jordan was the greatest player who had not won a title, 287 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 1: and he finally won a title. But the rest of 288 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 1: those guys were not. And it's really interesting on how 289 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: now we look back we do the opposite of the Bulls. 290 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 1: We talked about how the super team that the Bulls 291 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 1: were when like they always had a super random point 292 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 1: guard like Steve Kerr didn't start most of his NBA 293 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: career except with the Bulls when they won the title. 294 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 1: He even start the whole time there. Right, John Paxson 295 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: average to below average NBA player. Most of his career 296 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 1: he wins what three titles? Bj Armstrong like, these guys 297 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 1: were not great players. I talked about it last week 298 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 1: Bill cart Wright when he was traded for Charles Oakley. 299 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 1: It was like Knicks fans celebrated they got medical Bill 300 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 1: Cartwright off of their payroll. He was always hurt Bill 301 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 1: cart Right, Luke Longley, who is the other? 302 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 3: Will Purdue? 303 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: Right? Those are the bigs, right, those are the Biggs. 304 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 1: And we look back now and we say, oh, the 305 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 1: Bulls were a super team. They they weren't at scene 306 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 1: as that at the time. And that's what I'm wondering 307 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 1: with Oaklham. The other part too, it is that sorry, sorry, 308 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: go ahead, you know I was just gonna say quick. 309 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 4: This is also on the heels though, the built of 310 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 4: the Bulls winning and prior to that it was Celtics 311 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 4: Lakers and then the Pistons were the finals for three 312 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 4: years straight. 313 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 1: Right, so right, And look, I'm also cautious to not 314 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 1: do the thing that most people are doing now which 315 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 1: I hate, which is, hey could be a super team 316 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 1: that could win like multiple titles. Like stop, let them 317 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 1: win multiple titles and then we'll talk about whether or 318 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 1: not this is you know, what type of legacy they 319 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 1: leave because we did that with the Cubs. How many 320 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 1: towns they win? 321 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 3: One good point. 322 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 1: We deal with these young teams, and we just want 323 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 1: to think that it's always going to be this way. 324 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: I think the bigger discussion that we have to get 325 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 1: to is why this era in the NBA is it 326 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: this way? And I think I think I have the 327 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: answer to that one think of there. Thanks for listening 328 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 1: to The Doug Gotleb Show podcast. Be sure to catch 329 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 1: us live every weekday three to five Eastern twelve two 330 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 1: Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. Find your local station for 331 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 1: The Doug Gottlieb Show at Foxsports Radio dot com, or 332 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 1: stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by 333 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 1: searching f s are It's not getting you? It's time 334 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 1: for the Midway? Okay there, Jay Stu topics? 335 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 5: What do you want on the group text today that 336 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:29,159 Speaker 5: exactly none of you responded to I throughout two? For 337 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 5: the Midway today, y'all, we could share our thoughts on 338 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 5: inside the NBA as it is its current entity. Is 339 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:41,400 Speaker 5: saying goodbye? Or my preferred topic because there's so many 340 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 5: ways to go with this. Allegations of the hateful taunts 341 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 5: that was found unsubstantiated. How dangerous is this? Has the 342 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 5: damage been done? Should allegations like this go punished if 343 00:17:57,040 --> 00:18:03,680 Speaker 5: they are considered false, as as per Jesse Smolette found out, 344 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 5: What do you guys like? I mean, we don't have 345 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:08,359 Speaker 5: a female perspective on the show every day, so I 346 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 5: figured maybe that would be good for that month. 347 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:12,880 Speaker 1: Let's let let's let months you choose. Do you want 348 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: to choose? Yes, yes, choose. 349 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with your preferred topic. 350 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:24,640 Speaker 6: Then, Producer, Jason, you choose wisely. 351 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:30,119 Speaker 2: The preferred topic of these allegations of comments noises? 352 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 1: Okay, good, I like this topic a lot. Okay. So 353 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 1: the question is right from from Jason that you'd like 354 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 1: you'd like to put out there to the rest of 355 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:42,720 Speaker 1: the show crew and anybody wants to tweet us at 356 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 1: Gottlieb Show. I g the same is, should you punish 357 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:53,479 Speaker 1: someone who makes up these allegations when the allegations are 358 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 1: clearly false? Oh? 359 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:55,879 Speaker 5: You know what we should do? You know what we 360 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 5: should do? What? What's the name of the woman? And 361 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 5: list on ESPN that does NBA and WNBA's. 362 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 2: At Cheney Yeah oo mckayah, McKay. 363 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 5: So can we play this as just some context to 364 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 5: this conversation. Yes, I guess she came out the day 365 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 5: after the allegations. That weird part where the WNBA is like, 366 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:19,159 Speaker 5: we're gonna, We're gonna investigate, and then everybody's like, I 367 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 5: love the investigation. It's great that we're investigating. This hate 368 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:25,880 Speaker 5: has no room in our game. You know that very 369 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 5: inauthentic messaging. Right after the allegations, Well, I guess uh, 370 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:36,400 Speaker 5: this analyst went on and started to rip on fans 371 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 5: of the fever and how this can't it's can't happen 372 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 5: in the games. Well she kind of had to take 373 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:44,680 Speaker 5: things back on social media yesterday. 374 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 7: Hey, everybody, I'm sure you've seen the WNBA statement on 375 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 7: the investigation, and I want to address this with the 376 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:53,439 Speaker 7: same energy I did the first time, because if you 377 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:56,679 Speaker 7: really know me, I always try my absolute best to 378 00:19:56,800 --> 00:20:00,399 Speaker 7: uplift the WNBA, to celebrate the amazing players, coaches, and 379 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:02,199 Speaker 7: of course the fans. That is something that is at 380 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:04,679 Speaker 7: the core of everything that I do. But if you 381 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 7: know me, you know I'm not afraid to say I 382 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 7: can do better. I am sorry that my message was 383 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:10,919 Speaker 7: in the heat of the moment, because when I initially 384 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 7: spoke on the topic, it really came from a place 385 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 7: of care. It was based on firsthand conversations with people 386 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:20,399 Speaker 7: very close to the situation who raised real concerns, and 387 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 7: they told me what they had experienced, and I felt 388 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 7: like it was important and it was necessary to acknowledge 389 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 7: those allegations and also voice those experiences. Now in the process, however, 390 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:33,639 Speaker 7: I totally recognize that it may have impacted fans in 391 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 7: a way that I did not intend, and I am sorry. 392 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:42,639 Speaker 2: People just always forget that words have consequences, huh, Like 393 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 2: the most basic of things, words have consequences. 394 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 1: And I don't know if people forget that. 395 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 2: I hope, So I hope that it's that they forget 396 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 2: and it's not just straight up ignoring it. 397 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 3: I hope that it's that they forget. I really do. 398 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 2: But I guess that's me hoping for the best. The 399 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 2: only I just want to know where this came from, 400 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:10,439 Speaker 2: because I want to know if, like someone said, you 401 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:13,679 Speaker 2: know how people start talking and egging each other on. 402 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 2: Did somebody go to Angel Rees and say did you 403 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 2: hear what? 404 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 6: Did you hear that? 405 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 2: And maybe Angel Rees didn't hear anything, but you keep 406 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 2: saying that to her and her surrounding people. 407 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 3: Are like, no, we heard it. 408 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 2: You start to believe it, even because you think people 409 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:29,679 Speaker 2: are telling you the truth. 410 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:31,199 Speaker 1: Like, I just want to be the biggest issue with it. 411 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 1: That's the biggest issue with this thing is apparently what 412 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 1: happened was it was pulled off of Twitter where somebody 413 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:41,639 Speaker 1: heard them booing and thought they heard something. And stop 414 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 1: caring what nobody's think on Twitter. Stop it. Nobody cares 415 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 1: about you and your conspiracy thoughts. You have to have 416 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:57,160 Speaker 1: common sense. I know it's not that common. I got it. Okay, 417 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 1: I'm fully aware that common sense is not common. But 418 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 1: a WNBA game is not a place where racial epith 419 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:08,879 Speaker 1: racial language is going to be used. It's just not Okay, 420 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 1: use your head. Really, it's the most diverse league in 421 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 1: terms of race and sexuality of any okay, and it's 422 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 1: all women. So like, do you think for one second 423 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 1: you have to think logically, think logically, Okay, that the 424 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 1: league that honestly is fairly unwelcoming to straight people. And 425 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 1: I think that's part of the discussion over Caitlin Clark. 426 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 1: But the league that has been fighting for attention because hey, 427 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 1: in this era of diversity, in this era where women 428 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 1: should be empowered, we have a women empowered sports league 429 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 1: that's been going on for twenty five years. It's diverse racially, 430 00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: it's the verse religion wise, it's the verse sexually. You 431 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 1: can't get any better. This is the WNBA. Is what 432 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 1: every university looks for on their brochure. Right, you got 433 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 1: women for all over, different colors. They're beautiful, beautiful, different races, 434 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 1: different hairstyles or whatever, different sexuality. Like, that's every college 435 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 1: brochure ever. Is the WNBA. Do you think for one 436 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:22,160 Speaker 1: second somebody's gonna be yelling out something at Caitlin Clark, 437 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:23,920 Speaker 1: I mean not Kaitlin Clark, or you're at Kaitlin Clark, 438 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 1: or at at Angel Reese and no one's gonna say anything. 439 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 1: But this is what happens when we pay attention to 440 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 1: people that don't matter. On X and again, this is 441 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:37,640 Speaker 1: where the whole new Twitter thing lost everybody. It used 442 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 1: to be people with blue checks. You'd earn that blue 443 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 1: check based upon your status. Now you can buy the 444 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:44,120 Speaker 1: blue check or you don't buy the blue check, which 445 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:47,199 Speaker 1: I don't right that you're just a you're a Twitter handle. 446 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:50,160 Speaker 1: You can buy up followers to make yourself see more important. 447 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 1: You're not important. Stop paying attention to people that aren't important. 448 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 6: You can buy ads. You can, you can take your 449 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,160 Speaker 6: take and you can boost it with the X. These 450 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 6: ads on X are so stupid. It's like someone says 451 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 6: something and they're like, yeah, I want to put this 452 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 6: out to the world, so they pay for it to 453 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:08,439 Speaker 6: be put into your timeline or your feed, and you're like, 454 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 6: I didn't ask for this. It's just money going to 455 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 6: Elon Musk, so he'll just take it and run with it. 456 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:15,640 Speaker 3: It's absurd. It's it's worse. 457 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 6: X is worse than Twitter's worst that it's ever been. Sorry, Elon, 458 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:24,879 Speaker 6: but it's it's it's a cesspool of bs. That's a 459 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:26,959 Speaker 6: different subject. I guess they cross over a little bit. 460 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:32,640 Speaker 6: But okay, so Sam, you of everybody here. Actually Montsey's 461 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 6: a big fan too. But you you take up for 462 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,120 Speaker 6: the WNBA, you take up for Kitlin Clark. This incident 463 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:42,640 Speaker 6: included Kaitlyn Clark. I will say this. Remember right when 464 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 6: it happened and the w NBA said we're launching an investigation, 465 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 6: everybody jumped on board. They were very supportive of the investigation. 466 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 6: Caitlin Clark said, you know what, it was really loud. 467 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,919 Speaker 6: I didn't hear anything, but I'm glad they're investigating the 468 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:59,360 Speaker 6: head coach of the sky or what's Chicago? Yeah, Chicago, 469 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 6: sy He said he was too loud, he didn't hear it. 470 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 6: He was coaching. When they went to Angel Reese and 471 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,639 Speaker 6: they're like, what did you hear? She wouldn't say what 472 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,960 Speaker 6: she heard. And more importantly, she didn't say I didn't 473 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 6: hear anything. She just kind of left it out there. 474 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:19,880 Speaker 6: She added fuel to this investigation. I'm glad they're investigating. So, Sam, 475 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 6: you're you're a big WNBA guy. What did you think 476 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 6: about the way this played out? You had said initially 477 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:27,919 Speaker 6: that the damage is kind of done already right to 478 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 6: the fans of the fever. Yeah, just opening an investigation 479 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 6: at all kind of puts a stain on all of this. 480 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 6: I thought at the beginning that it wouldn't turn up anything, 481 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,959 Speaker 6: and lo and behold, it did not turn up anything. Listen, 482 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:43,399 Speaker 6: I think, I mean, I think for a long time 483 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 6: a lot of human history, women have been the victims 484 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 6: of sexual violence, and they're allowed to obviously, like where 485 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 6: you know post me Too movement, so like women should 486 00:25:54,840 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 6: be believed, but there are cases where it's abused, and 487 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 6: whether it's racial taunting or allegations of sexual violence. There's 488 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:07,679 Speaker 6: gonna be bad actors in there. I'm not saying anybody 489 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 6: in the sky did this. 490 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:09,479 Speaker 3: I don't know. 491 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,680 Speaker 6: We just just too much, like almost feels like there's 492 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 6: too much gossip involved. 493 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 1: You're saying, no, that's the problem with the league is 494 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:18,680 Speaker 1: and that's the problem with the league. But that's the 495 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:20,920 Speaker 1: problem with this league is they think everybody's out to 496 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,680 Speaker 1: get them, and everybody talking. You know, it's like nobody 497 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:26,439 Speaker 1: we don't care that much to be out to get you. 498 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 6: Apparently wasn't even Angel Reese. It was someone else on 499 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 6: the team who thought they heard something. But I think 500 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:38,239 Speaker 6: I think also though women men's sports, booing heckling is 501 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:39,200 Speaker 6: just more accepted. 502 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:43,920 Speaker 1: And oh stop it, Sam, stop again. This is the 503 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 1: this is Mary Montsey. You and I have discussed this before. Okay, 504 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 1: this is the problem with women's sports. You want to 505 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 1: be considered a real legitimate sports enterprise, but you also 506 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 1: want to be protected class. 507 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:01,440 Speaker 6: Saying that I'm saying, I'm not saying that they shouldn't 508 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 6: be booed or heckled. I'm just saying that they should 509 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:04,640 Speaker 6: the players. 510 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,359 Speaker 3: They shouldn't be. And the thing is, like, this is 511 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:06,920 Speaker 3: how it is. 512 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 1: You want to be a professional athlete. 513 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:10,160 Speaker 3: Booing is part of it. 514 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 2: They've never experienced it and they don't know how to 515 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 2: handle it. But in reality, like this is normal, and 516 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 2: the fact that they think that they shouldn't get those 517 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 2: boos is kind of silly. 518 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,119 Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm just saying up until this point, in the 519 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,119 Speaker 6: last two years, men and men's sports have dealt with 520 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,359 Speaker 6: booing and heckling more and they've just moved on with it. 521 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 2: And it's just because no one was paying attention to 522 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:29,640 Speaker 2: the WNBA the way that they are now. 523 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 6: You know, you're not going to see a lot of 524 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 6: booing and heckling at a field hockey tournament, a women's 525 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 6: field hockey tournament, or like a softball tournament. There's just 526 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:38,679 Speaker 6: not as much of it. So maybe when women encounter 527 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,119 Speaker 6: this stuff they take it personally. They don't know how 528 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 6: to react to it, They don't know how to let 529 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,880 Speaker 6: it just roll off their shoulders, so it turns into 530 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 6: a whole personal attack thing, and it's just sort of 531 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 6: part of the game of being a professional athlete. Or 532 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 6: people certainly aren't doing female athletes at the Olympics. I 533 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 6: don't think I would hope not. They shouldn't be doing 534 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 6: men either. But there's just not been a lot of 535 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:02,879 Speaker 6: heckling and kind of rough h critiquing in women's sports 536 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 6: up until maybe. 537 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,680 Speaker 2: Now right because nobody was really watching. 538 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,440 Speaker 6: Well people are the purists were watching, but they were 539 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 6: like that, yes, there's a listen, there's different circles mixing 540 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,199 Speaker 6: now in the WNBA, there are there are people that 541 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 6: didn't follow women's sports at all, and they just are like, Oh, 542 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 6: Kaitlyn Clarks, she's. 543 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:25,160 Speaker 1: Okay, so showstopper. Let's get back to Jason's question. Can 544 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 1: you punish people who make false accusations. 545 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 5: Over the last twenty four hours? The kind of the 546 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:35,359 Speaker 5: right wing influencers, someone who was a host on this 547 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 5: network at some point is in the forefront of this. 548 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 5: They're comparing this to Jesse Smolette. In other words, he 549 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 5: was punished when that thing was determined a hoax and 550 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 5: he made it up to dissuade things like this from happening. 551 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 5: Should there be more messaging from the WNBA today saying 552 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 5: that we're going to punish if things are alleged and 553 00:28:58,960 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 5: found unfounded. 554 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 2: I feel like they are getting punished in the court 555 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 2: of public opinion. 556 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's gonna be hard to actually punish them. 557 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, but I think it's happening. 558 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 6: It is happening. 559 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just not to. 560 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,720 Speaker 2: The degree of of of the guy. But I think 561 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 2: that the w NBA, I think Angel Reese, they're all 562 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 2: getting punished by the by the court of public opinion. 563 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,960 Speaker 6: Yeah, the report coming back and saying we didn't find anything. 564 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 6: It's it's embarrassing. I think the thing with Jesse Smolette 565 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 6: is he hired two guys like right, like this is 566 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 6: like a real plot to make him look better in 567 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,160 Speaker 6: make him look like a victim or something. And you know, 568 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 6: to my knowledge, nobody on the sky hired you know, uh, 569 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 6: hecklers to come in and you know what they call 570 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 6: like paid paid protesters. Like I don't I've never believed 571 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 6: in that. I don't think that's a real thing and 572 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 6: certainly not a thing that happened in that Fever game. 573 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 5: I don't believe Doug. 574 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:55,719 Speaker 1: Uh if if you're found guilty of creating a hoax 575 00:29:56,080 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 1: and making an entire fan base, uh, how to answer 576 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 1: questions about whether or not they're racists. And and by the way, 577 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 1: it doesn't actually matter that nothing was discovered. There are 578 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 1: people that have predetermined probably prior to this, but this 579 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 1: only becomes confirmation bias that because Indiana perception wise has 580 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 1: a white fan base, more white players play there, they 581 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 1: have to all be racists, right, And all this does 582 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 1: is feed into it. Yes, absolutely, if you can find 583 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 1: out who created this hoax, punish them, Punish them and 584 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 1: embarrass them, because it's embarrassing how the perception they have 585 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 1: created or that they have given confirmation bias to in 586 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 1: regards to fans in Indiana. 587 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 6: I just I just want to say, I don't know 588 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 6: if that's even possible, because there's you're you can always 589 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 6: just say, ah, you know, I heard something in the crowd, 590 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 6: and and you know, you're like you kind of have 591 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 6: the benefit of the doubt. Like even if you were wrong. 592 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,360 Speaker 6: You said, well, there should be an investigation open, but 593 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 6: I don't have I don't have unequivocal evidence to support this, 594 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 6: but there might be something there, so you should look 595 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 6: into it. So if it comes back with yeah, we 596 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 6: didn't really find anything, nothing came up, that's hard to punish. 597 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 6: That you're calling into people into question, people's motives and 598 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 6: what they're really acting on behalf of I just I 599 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 6: think that they're just gonna move on with this and say, 600 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 6: all right, we did this, nothing came up in your story. 601 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,480 Speaker 1: No, here's what happens. Most people go there's a portion 602 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 1: of people that go up there like, here's the boy 603 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 1: who cried wolf with with with the women of the WNBA. 604 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 1: And then there's a percentage of people that are like, 605 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 1: it's just they don't want they don't want to find 606 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 1: the truth. They don't want to find the truth. They 607 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:41,440 Speaker 1: know those fans are racist. You've created more division, not 608 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 1: any sort of cohesion. And that's the midway, the midway. 609 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Doug Gotleep Show podcast. Be 610 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,360 Speaker 1: sure to catch us live every week day from three 611 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,960 Speaker 1: to five Eastern twelve two Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. 612 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 1: Find your local station for The Doug Gotleep Show at 613 00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 1: Foxsports Treaty dot com, or stream us live every day 614 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:04,520 Speaker 1: on the iHeartRadio app by searching FSR. We talked about 615 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 1: it some yesterday, but it does relate to all sports. 616 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 1: And you know there's been a push in the NBA 617 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 1: for I don't know, seven eight years. You know we 618 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 1: should do is have fewer games, don't have back to backs, 619 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 1: too much travel, quality of the product's not great. We 620 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,080 Speaker 1: should have fewer games. Major League Baseball used to have 621 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 1: one fifty four they have won sixty two. There was 622 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 1: there's been years which there's been talk of, you know 623 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 1: what we need to do is have we've had the 624 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 1: contraction fewer teams and we've had the fewer games thing. 625 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 1: And if you'll notice the NFL, which is the healthiest, 626 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 1: they're fighting on more games, but they end up always 627 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 1: getting them right. There was a long fight over game seventeen, 628 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,840 Speaker 1: but they got it, and now there is a fight 629 00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 1: over game eighteen, but they're gonna get it because the 630 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 1: NFL makes money every time they play a football game, 631 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 1: and everybody likes to make money. And there's a lot 632 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 1: of reasons why NBA games, why Major League Baseball games 633 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 1: won't be contracted, but for the most part, there's just 634 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 1: one reason. That reason is money. And I do think 635 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:31,720 Speaker 1: that there are people who don't understand, even people in power, 636 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 1: who don't understand exactly what is valuable about your sport. 637 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 1: The brilliance of the NFL is not just increasing regular 638 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,160 Speaker 1: season games. They have increased playoff games. Those are the 639 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 1: most watched, those are the most important, and those are 640 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 1: the ones which you can print money by just simply 641 00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 1: putting out there which they have. They want to negotiate 642 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,640 Speaker 1: ESPN a new deal. Want to ESPN to keep paying 643 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 1: through the nose from undernet football. Hey, we'll throw in 644 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 1: a wild card football game. It's a that you never had, 645 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:03,520 Speaker 1: we never had before. You know you're going to get 646 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:08,080 Speaker 1: twenty five million people or so watching. Again, the value 647 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:13,440 Speaker 1: is remarkable. So I bring this to the NCAA tournament 648 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:17,480 Speaker 1: in college basketball, where everyone says, you know, it's perfect. 649 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:22,920 Speaker 1: Why expand Then there's a story out today where some people, 650 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,359 Speaker 1: some executive, some TV executives think there's not that much 651 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:32,880 Speaker 1: value in it. That you're talking about early first round games, 652 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 1: not much more value. Yeah, it doesn't It doesn't do much. 653 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:42,360 Speaker 1: Won't be much more money made by the NCAA. So 654 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:46,359 Speaker 1: here's the response. The first thing is, I need you 655 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,719 Speaker 1: to listen to me, really, really carefully. I told you 656 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,799 Speaker 1: long time ago that Lebron James wasn't leaving LA. I 657 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,360 Speaker 1: told you a matter of fact before he signed in 658 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,400 Speaker 1: LA that of any of the teams that he was considering, 659 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:01,000 Speaker 1: he will never play in San Antonio because San Antonio 660 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,160 Speaker 1: back when Greg Popfitch was the coach and they'll still 661 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,319 Speaker 1: have this mantra. It was get over yourself. Lebron James 662 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,880 Speaker 1: is a great player, one of the all time greatest players, 663 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,880 Speaker 1: not just in his sport, in any sport to play. 664 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,719 Speaker 1: But there's one thing that he's not. It's over himself. 665 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:16,680 Speaker 1: I told you it would not happen. It's not even 666 00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 1: part of the consideration, just like I told you this year. 667 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,720 Speaker 1: I don't care what Rich Paul says. He wasn't considering 668 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:24,640 Speaker 1: doing anything other than come back for the Lakers. The 669 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:29,040 Speaker 1: only issue now is how is Lebron James going to 670 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:32,040 Speaker 1: hang around for Bronni's rookie year? Make them draft Brownie, 671 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:36,120 Speaker 1: not make him draft Brice. All right, but let's let's 672 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,080 Speaker 1: not get a year out for me predicting and telling 673 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,440 Speaker 1: you that he's going to stay. His last year with 674 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 1: the Lakers is going to be next year when they 675 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,120 Speaker 1: draft Bryce James, they will have both his sons with 676 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,200 Speaker 1: him on the floor at the same time. And as 677 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:51,600 Speaker 1: ridiculous as it is, I mean, you got to put 678 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,799 Speaker 1: on a ninety five percent chance of it happening, right, 679 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,480 Speaker 1: guy wants to be the perfect father. Can't be the 680 00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,960 Speaker 1: perfect father if you play favorites and only hanging around 681 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,000 Speaker 1: for Bronnie when you clearly can hang out for Bryce. 682 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:08,440 Speaker 1: That's that's not playing favorites. Anyway. I told you lebron 683 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:10,440 Speaker 1: wasn't retiring. I told you wasn't going to San Antonio. 684 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,120 Speaker 1: I told you wasn't going anywhere else. I'm telling you now, 685 00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:16,000 Speaker 1: Major League Baseball and in the NBA are not contracting 686 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:21,319 Speaker 1: games because all those sites, all those arenas, they have 687 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,120 Speaker 1: a certain number of dates which are part of the 688 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:28,320 Speaker 1: lease agreement. Everybody makes money on it. And unless athletes 689 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,560 Speaker 1: and coaches and and front office is going to take 690 00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:35,560 Speaker 1: less money from less profit, they're not going to ever 691 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:42,360 Speaker 1: contract the games ever. And my guess is with the 692 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:47,560 Speaker 1: NCAAA they will only do this if it opens up 693 00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:53,120 Speaker 1: their TV window for negotiating, because you're because people are 694 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,799 Speaker 1: right like, there's there is some value to it. But 695 00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,640 Speaker 1: if those are first four games, what's really the value. 696 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,640 Speaker 1: The value you in the NCAA tournament is the sixty 697 00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:06,000 Speaker 1: fourteen bracket. That's what everybody bets on, that everybody gambles on, 698 00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,040 Speaker 1: everybody turns in. That's where your grandma has just as 699 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,120 Speaker 1: good a shot as you do of winning a set 700 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:14,680 Speaker 1: of steak knives and if you expand to seventy two 701 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:18,279 Speaker 1: seventy six, you can still be cute and make those 702 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,920 Speaker 1: play in games. But if you make those playing games, 703 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,160 Speaker 1: you're still only going to get a couple of million viewers. 704 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,000 Speaker 1: And you're talking about expanding from sixty eight to seventy two. 705 00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:31,480 Speaker 1: Is two more basketball games, that's it, two more basketball 706 00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:36,439 Speaker 1: games to seventy six. Its formal basketball games. So does 707 00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:42,560 Speaker 1: that value sure? Is it untold millions of dollars? Yeah? 708 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:47,000 Speaker 1: So the prediction is is this Ryan Bersching or is 709 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:54,160 Speaker 1: this Sam? Is this Isaac lowincron one? There is zero 710 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:59,799 Speaker 1: chance they're not going to expand. Zero, And you're like, 711 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,880 Speaker 1: why would they expand? Why would they try? Because they 712 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:07,279 Speaker 1: can make more money? And right now, no matter what 713 00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:12,439 Speaker 1: you think, everybody needs more money because now you got 714 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:18,400 Speaker 1: to pay the players and all the calculations are screwed 715 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,520 Speaker 1: up because previously you plan for it. Hey, the men's 716 00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,719 Speaker 1: basketball takes this, football takes this. Everybody else gets this. 717 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,280 Speaker 1: Coaches get this. This is what we do for scholarship, 718 00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:28,920 Speaker 1: this is what we do for this. Now all a sidden 719 00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,960 Speaker 1: you're talking from you know, a couple hundred thousand at 720 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:36,280 Speaker 1: our level to ten to twenty million at the highest 721 00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:40,520 Speaker 1: level that money comes from. It all comes from one pot, basically, 722 00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,920 Speaker 1: and the only way to increase that pot is to 723 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,280 Speaker 1: find valuable assets. And the only valuable asset the NCAA 724 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:55,120 Speaker 1: has in basketball is the tournament. The problem is, unless 725 00:38:55,160 --> 00:39:00,319 Speaker 1: it triggers a completely new round of negotiations for their 726 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:04,319 Speaker 1: TV rights, it just doesn't have that much value. And 727 00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,200 Speaker 1: if they do it despite the fact it doesn't have 728 00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,920 Speaker 1: that much value and they only increase it by I 729 00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:16,000 Speaker 1: don't know ten they're making a billion a year, it's 730 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,680 Speaker 1: a billion dollar deal whatever, unless it increases at a 731 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:23,840 Speaker 1: huge rate because they can open it up to open bitterers, 732 00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,880 Speaker 1: doesn't have a lot of value. It just does not. 733 00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:32,879 Speaker 1: And if that's the case, then you know that there 734 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:38,800 Speaker 1: is desperation in the streets to get any possible last dollar. 735 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:46,440 Speaker 1: That's when you're basically going to a pawn shop and 736 00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,520 Speaker 1: just hey, just give me what you can I'll take 737 00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:50,560 Speaker 1: whatever you can give me. I just need some money here. 738 00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:56,799 Speaker 1: So either TV becomes a pawnshop for college basketball and 739 00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:58,840 Speaker 1: college sports because it's all kind of wrapped together, not 740 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:03,040 Speaker 1: the not college football, or what I think is more 741 00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:07,439 Speaker 1: likely is there some sort of sort of clause where 742 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,760 Speaker 1: they can reopen negotiations if they get to more games, 743 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:15,360 Speaker 1: and that's the only way they get them negotiations either way, 744 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,919 Speaker 1: I get it. I love the sixty fourteen bracket. I'm 745 00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,720 Speaker 1: all for it. But I also understand that everything costs 746 00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:26,320 Speaker 1: more money, and the only way to make more money 747 00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:28,880 Speaker 1: is to sell the most valuable thing you have, and 748 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:29,960 Speaker 1: that's the NCAA Tournament.