Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kate Berlance, I'm Jacqueline Novak, And this is.
Speaker 2: Poog, an ongoing conversation about wellness between two obsessive.
Speaker 1: Friends, two untamable intellects. This is our hobby, This is
Speaker 1: our hell.
Speaker 2: This is our naked desire for free products. This is poog.
Speaker 2: Today's topics, loosely speaking, daily doesn't rinse your teeth, cribs
Speaker 2: and costs. It's amazing because laughing, because the grumpyess so
Speaker 2: the hags know. We've we've almost canceled recording today like
Speaker 2: twice because it was technical difficulties in hell. And I'm
Speaker 2: really proud of us forgetting here.
Speaker 1: I can't believe it because I tried it. Why when technology?
Speaker 2: When technology failed? Problem is when it's truly it and
Speaker 2: not and not you right, and it's insurmountable.
Speaker 1: It just feels like, yeah, it feels it. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's a lot, there's a lot going on. I just
Speaker 1: I guess I just wonder on a crime level, why,
Speaker 1: like the cords, well, just just why what in the
Speaker 1: evolutionary everything's evolutionary, you know theory, right, but like, okay,
Speaker 1: which thing is it?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: I feel like it feels like it must feel like
Speaker 1: you're early man and the river's flowing backwards or something,
Speaker 1: or like you're putting your hand in the water and
Speaker 1: it won't get wet.
Speaker 2: It won't get wet. Yeah, yeah, totally.
Speaker 1: And you're like, what a nightmare when they're like, you
Speaker 1: must not be putting your hand in the water.
Speaker 2: No, I am. Well look yeah, I see my hand
Speaker 2: under the water. Oh my god. Well it's so exciting
Speaker 2: because since we've recorded, we saw each other physically. Oh
Speaker 2: my god, unbelivable. And I have well, I yeah, I
Speaker 2: think I feel when we record a couple of weeks ago,
Speaker 2: I've like lived like aged. Yeah, so shockingly, we'll have
Speaker 2: to say I feel like I always have, Like I
Speaker 2: think I've had, you know, pretty healthy self image. Whatever. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it happened so fast or suddenly I'm like the face
Speaker 2: where I was texting you, I was like, I have
Speaker 2: cortisol face. This is like Instagram consciousness, where like you
Speaker 2: see a post once and you go cortisol face and
Speaker 2: it gets locked in there. And the new development just
Speaker 2: having seen the words and not knowing what it is completely.
Speaker 1: And I was like, you want cordico steroids or whatever,
Speaker 1: which is.
Speaker 2: Not just about sheer stress I mean, no reason to
Speaker 2: hold back from saying it because it hasn't been so,
Speaker 2: I mean, just worse two weeks of my life Alzheimer's hell.
Speaker 2: Wise finally climbing out, kind of sending all the love
Speaker 2: to everyone dealing with the fucking hell that it is.
Speaker 2: Tried to join or I'll then figure it out. But
Speaker 2: I went to like a like a like a zoom
Speaker 2: support group this morning. Hated it.
Speaker 1: Or what was it?
Speaker 2: Because it wasn't like like I know everything less everyone
Speaker 2: and I still want to do it, and I'm going
Speaker 2: to I'm going to look around. I'm going to find
Speaker 2: the right group. Yeah, to say I hated it, it's
Speaker 2: too strong fearing anyone that I know.
Speaker 1: The spirits, You didn't say I hated every single one
Speaker 1: of them, and I.
Speaker 2: Love everyone that's in there. I just didn't. And it
Speaker 2: was a very It just wasn't And this this is fine.
Speaker 2: You go to a field, you find the one that's right.
Speaker 2: But I was like, well this one, ain't it.
Speaker 1: Just any party you go and I know it doesn't,
Speaker 1: but like when things are wrong sort of go, or
Speaker 1: is this the medicine I need?
Speaker 2: Is this the exact group I need? Well, well of course,
Speaker 2: because that was what I mean. My issue, by the way,
Speaker 2: I want to be clear, not the people. It's like
Speaker 2: the organization tactics, which is like, like I just said,
Speaker 2: it was lawless. Earlier it was lawless, and I need more.
Speaker 2: I like the thing of like there's a speaker, everyone
Speaker 2: gets three minutes you're commenting on the whatever, the you know,
Speaker 2: organization around a theme or around somebody, like the kind
Speaker 2: of like anyone talk when they want things, and I
Speaker 2: was the leader. And then again I'm not going to
Speaker 2: say any revealing details. But of course one person god
Speaker 2: bless is talking about something has nothing to do with Alzheimer's,
Speaker 2: like you know what I mean, Like it just gets
Speaker 2: just naturally. I don't blame anyone, just like the conversation
Speaker 2: just goes and then suddenly you're talking about, like, you know,
Speaker 2: someone's ranchers husbands. It's when I'm trying to not say
Speaker 2: any details. Some what's something that no one said? Someone
Speaker 2: talking about a rancher's husband that almost sounds more emotional.
Speaker 2: It's like no someone talking about like which kind of
Speaker 2: like dish drying, racked to buy it's a little bit
Speaker 2: and I tried to return it, and I'm like, can
Speaker 2: we get back on course because I'm drowning and I
Speaker 2: need the solidarity. Did anyone else now Buddhism IV drip
Speaker 2: needed directly so many times the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 2: It's like, okay, the Buddhism like and it does.
Speaker 1: If only I were not attached kind of yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: Or just like okay, just have to fully surrender, just
Speaker 2: walk arms open into the ocean of life. And there
Speaker 2: is the thing I'll say for anyone dealing with grief,
Speaker 2: for the sick and the dying, it's like the thing
Speaker 2: of you have to go into it. Well, it's the
Speaker 2: Buddhist principle that I do like, which is like avoiding
Speaker 2: it or avoiding it, trying not to look at it whatever.
Speaker 2: Is not a fear of death. It's actually a fear
Speaker 2: of life. Like fear of life is what keeps us
Speaker 2: from Actually it's like that is what life is, right, yeah, because.
Speaker 1: There is no death here, like not confronting the sick
Speaker 1: or avoiding the right like they're alive, Like if you're dying,
Speaker 1: you're alive. Dying is yeah, living.
Speaker 2: Is part of life totally.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, right, I mean it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think, but yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Or like the change. It's like, particularly with Alzheimer's, there's
Speaker 2: no it's like utter groundlessness because everything changes and suddenly
Speaker 2: the most horrible thing can happen, and the thing that
Speaker 2: was a week ago seems like everything was actually fine
Speaker 2: a week ago, and then and it only gets worse
Speaker 2: and you just don't know what's coming. And so it's
Speaker 2: like looking at it directly is difficult. It difficult as
Speaker 2: it is. To look at it directly is almost the
Speaker 2: only medicine. It's the youngion thing that I've said of
Speaker 2: like realities medicinal but that's really been my like fucking
Speaker 2: mantra lately because I'm like, yeah, just like the reality
Speaker 2: that is where like just be in the reality of it,
Speaker 2: and that actually weirdly provides relief. More anxiety comes from
Speaker 2: like I can't do it. I don't want to look
Speaker 2: at it. Oh God, it's like just be in thee away.
Speaker 2: I hate being in anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I just yeah, like I'm always trying
Speaker 1: to avoid.
Speaker 2: Everything.
Speaker 1: I mean, like I think, I mean, while then plowing
Speaker 1: forward in other ways, you know, to pick up for
Speaker 1: the constant instinct to avoid all things.
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's well no, I'm like, god, it
Speaker 2: go yeah, being in the stay, staying in that I
Speaker 2: have to the course of been like well meditation practice.
Speaker 2: If I just but that, yeah, that could help. I
Speaker 2: guess nothing helps really, but just time. I don't know.
Speaker 2: But yeah, So sorry for the rerun, folks, I simply
Speaker 2: couldn't get on a record poog due to overwhelming distressed.
Speaker 2: Oh sorry for the rerun. Yeah yeah, yeah, we're back
Speaker 2: huge and by the way back. And this is the
Speaker 2: other thing about grief and death and dying and the
Speaker 2: waves of it all. It's unlievable. You hit your lowest
Speaker 2: low a couple of days later you're laughing, right, So
Speaker 2: I'm like today, I was like, I actually can't wait
Speaker 2: to record poop today and we have massive, huge poog
Speaker 2: update that I almost don't well, Jackline, I'll child let you.
Speaker 1: Say it's not I but I want to be clear.
Speaker 1: I make no stances about my life, like nothing's permanent.
Speaker 1: But I have spent two and a half weeks or
Speaker 1: three weeks at this point.
Speaker 2: Whole Food's plant based. Say the word oh, and no oil,
Speaker 2: say the word vegan. Oh, Jacqueline nova.
Speaker 1: But that's what helps is committed.
Speaker 2: No, I know plant based wholefood. Sure, but the word
Speaker 2: the scare word, well yeah, the scar again. Sure, sure,
Speaker 2: but I'm not leading Jacquelin Novac. But I'm excited for everything.
Speaker 2: This is the window, is the window to health. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, hey, I mostly plant. I guess I'm more Mediterranean.
Speaker 2: I don't have any actual restrictions and I'll eat whatever
Speaker 2: I want, so to speak. But most days of the
Speaker 2: week I am prime pised and my partners yeah the week,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, no dairy most days in the week. Yeah, eggs.
Speaker 2: I do do eggs a lot, right, so I don't
Speaker 2: do dairy.
Speaker 1: I just look, I'm not coming for your your diet.
Speaker 1: And I also just.
Speaker 2: But I could literally like I'm so excited us because
Speaker 2: this is what's fun grains jackeln sending me photos of
Speaker 2: buckwheat growths and oats and like, I'm just like this
Speaker 2: is fun. Well yeah, and this and other night opening
Speaker 2: up to a whole new market vegan pooh, well vegan.
Speaker 1: Well you know what I heard this, So it's more
Speaker 1: and you like what you will or what me we will?
Speaker 1: I don't know, okay, I mean I I I don't know.
Speaker 1: I really just don't know. I am I make no claims,
Speaker 1: you know, about anything. But yeah, last couple weeks I've
Speaker 1: been exploring a past.
Speaker 2: Any difference is I'm actually trying to be a nutritarian.
Speaker 2: Oh see, this is where I get sexy well because
Speaker 2: nutrients go for the nutrients.
Speaker 1: Okay, this is so it's not I just health. It's
Speaker 1: not about anything. Okay, Okay, I'm like tired because I
Speaker 1: was a late and up early and okay, I just
Speaker 1: give it, like clarify a little bit. So I've gone
Speaker 1: down a rabbit hole okay, and I've been enlightened to
Speaker 1: a certain series of you know, documentaries, websites, whatever, where
Speaker 1: I have a new set of gurus, okay, a new
Speaker 1: set of names. Doctor Michael Gregor, doctor subscribed yesterday to
Speaker 1: see from Caldelselstein his son Rip Esselston. Okay, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: his son. Barbara and Anne I think are the sister
Speaker 1: and the other. Uh so Caldwell Eseelstein and then T
Speaker 1: Colin Campbell.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: I wrote the China study back in I Forget ninety
Speaker 1: six or whatever.
Speaker 2: Okay, huge, look at her with your hibiscus tea. So
Speaker 2: this is exciting, Jacqueline. So, by the way, I love hibiscus.
Speaker 1: I pronounced it hibiscus. Well, you pronounce it high biscus. Hibiscus, yeahbiscusing.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm just I just feel the need
Speaker 1: to call out because I feel like I always feel
Speaker 1: like it's.
Speaker 2: You're probably saying. We just continually pronounce something differently than
Speaker 2: someone else and not acknowledge it, So I feel aggressive
Speaker 2: every time I'm like, you, no, the thing I love
Speaker 2: about hibiscus high biscus, it's definitely it's probably hibiscus. I'm
Speaker 2: saying it strange.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but so okay, okay, let me wake up.
Speaker 2: She's up.
Speaker 1: I'm getting part of my life. Okay, huge part of
Speaker 1: my life now.
Speaker 2: Easels.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm back on painters easels.
Speaker 2: I didn't know you were ever on easels. I have
Speaker 2: my comedy on a massive canvas okay, which I and
Speaker 2: I sat in front of it on a stool. Okay
Speaker 2: at one point in my life different points in my life,
Speaker 2: name like laying shit out, contemplating. But in the artist's posture,
Speaker 2: do you see it changes everything? Oh, I didn't know this, Jacoline.
Speaker 2: You used to put your stand up on an easel
Speaker 2: and sit in front of it on a stool.
Speaker 1: So this is the thing that it fell apart like
Speaker 1: like quickly, like you know, but at different times I've
Speaker 1: I do these things like this, right, So.
Speaker 2: Now I'm in a mania. I'm an easel mania day.
Speaker 1: Easel, build my own ease a wall easel Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: whatever you know, the cheap easel Okay, fuck it, spend
Speaker 1: it on the easel because the easel is going to
Speaker 1: pay off in the end. But I am getting back
Speaker 1: into the stool posture, Okay, sitting upright on a stool
Speaker 1: and doing creative work and feeling like an artist of
Speaker 1: another time. Anyway, that's what That's what I yearn for.
Speaker 1: So whatever that all right, take it back.
Speaker 2: I want to get so much. I know she's learned
Speaker 2: so much.
Speaker 1: So much has happened in two weeks. So it all
Speaker 1: begins with doctor Michael Gregor. Okay, in his website Nutrition
Speaker 1: Facts and doctor Michael Gregor.
Speaker 2: And by the way, I because I now looked him
Speaker 2: up because of you. He's the he's the guy who's
Speaker 2: writing these books how not to die, how not to age,
Speaker 2: how not to diet?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and I think in two years how not
Speaker 1: to hurt.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's coming and he specifies that he's not saying,
Speaker 2: you know how to not die, You're gonna die, but hey,
Speaker 2: maybe you don't want to die this way.
Speaker 1: Sure this way or this way, you know, with a
Speaker 1: long chronic illness starting at whatever. You know what I mean,
Speaker 1: I would love to beat it. By the way, I'm
Speaker 1: I told you all the stuff I'm going through. Yeah,
Speaker 1: getting my will in order, death with dignity, California, never leave.
Speaker 1: I don't know where it's legal.
Speaker 2: Ship. I mean, I know California and Portland ignore in
Speaker 2: my will. Now. Hey, if I get started to degenerative disease,
Speaker 2: give me the pills. I beg of you as soon
Speaker 2: as X y Z I get I have to look
Speaker 2: into it. I guess you can what you can stipulate,
Speaker 2: because it's difficult. If people have cognitive decline then they
Speaker 2: can no longer make those decisions. But I'm looking into it,
Speaker 2: and it's legally it's kind of tricking if people are
Speaker 2: scared to do it with people who have cognitive stuff.
Speaker 1: But because what if they what if the neurons refire
Speaker 1: and wire or something.
Speaker 2: No, I just think it's more that to do it,
Speaker 2: because to do it you have to talk to the
Speaker 2: doctor they give you. You get the prescription for the pills.
Speaker 2: I believe that, you know, take you out and then
Speaker 2: it's it's very litigious the way they administerate you to
Speaker 2: say you're going to die.
Speaker 1: There's no doing it for your family member.
Speaker 2: No, you can't do it for right.
Speaker 1: Right, you're saying, what's legal in California is doctor help me?
Speaker 2: What's legal in California is I'm terminally ill x y Z.
Speaker 2: You have to prove it. Whatever. You get the prescription
Speaker 2: for the pills, and then you get them, and then
Speaker 2: they they you have to do this thing of like
Speaker 2: so where that if you take these you're going to
Speaker 2: die and you say yes, and then you take them.
Speaker 1: So right, So, if you're if what you're if what
Speaker 1: you're said about, if what you're the reason you want
Speaker 1: to go is because of cognitive decline, and you're trying
Speaker 1: to argue for how cognitively declined you are to this doctor,
Speaker 1: they're saying, well, therefore, how can I trust you to
Speaker 1: be making this decision?
Speaker 2: Right? Well, as soon as you get say Alzheimer's, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, in time you you have to give away
Speaker 2: all your legal and medical autonomy to a family member
Speaker 2: so at that point you're no longer able to then
Speaker 2: go Okay, no, no, I don't want to you know, live
Speaker 2: like this or whatever. You have to do it early
Speaker 2: and do it up front. Yeah. Anyway, sorry, I got
Speaker 2: off how to Die into Death in Dignity Act in
Speaker 2: my own not to Die fascination. Yeah, how not to die?
Speaker 1: Right, that's you know exactly it so so so there's
Speaker 1: like a few guys that I watched like six documentaries
Speaker 1: in a row, you know, and it's like funny when
Speaker 1: you're onto a topic and so you just want any.
Speaker 2: Doc on it. Yeah, yeah, and.
Speaker 1: Like some are better than others, but your consumer mom,
Speaker 1: you can't tell. And like it's kind of frustrating because
Speaker 1: like there's some really good moments or useful things in
Speaker 1: like the bad doc, but I can't send my father
Speaker 1: to go watch the.
Speaker 2: Bad one, you know what I mean? Like where the
Speaker 2: guys like.
Speaker 1: Like I was telling you, there was one that was
Speaker 1: sort of like, you know, this guy going up to
Speaker 1: like the dairy council, like to like the receptionist off
Speaker 1: the set of thing, being like you know, sticking a
Speaker 1: microphone being like how can you let Americans eat dairy
Speaker 1: when we've proven that it.
Speaker 2: I know, I know. Yeah, she's at work for the
Speaker 2: Christ of God, like the blood's on her hands.
Speaker 1: The reception is so so watch a bunch of docks whatever.
Speaker 1: But Gregor, Okay, Gregor's like this greg Gregor's whole thing.
Speaker 1: And I was just thinking, how powerful is it to
Speaker 1: have a hook?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: He's like, I read every nutritional uh study you know,
Speaker 1: published each year, so busy folks like you don't have to. Okay,
Speaker 1: there we go, and then he pulls them all together
Speaker 1: and he pulls out the insights and he gives it
Speaker 1: to you. And then guys, the site is not for profit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the site has no ads, that's big.
Speaker 2: And his books his books, Yeah, funds go to charity.
Speaker 2: See this is when you go, oh, that's interesting for
Speaker 2: him to not profit off of it at all.
Speaker 1: Does yeah, point, he's doing it for his grandmother. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure what forget sent home to die. Okay, they
Speaker 1: said they said, you know, your coronary disease so advanced.
Speaker 1: And then this other doctor Prittican, I think, who's a
Speaker 1: predecessor of Ornish? Okay, you're gonna make some cards cards
Speaker 1: Gregor is Gregor is you know not beneath. But you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Yeah, okay, carrying the torch and
Speaker 1: and I'm just lasting because the amount of new knowledge
Speaker 1: in my head, you know, like like yeah, it shocks
Speaker 1: me how quickly I can take it in through hyper focus,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And so like there are
Speaker 1: articles I've read on his site like six times because
Speaker 1: I've arrived at them different ways through different googling things,
Speaker 1: and I found myself right this Okay, I mean over
Speaker 1: and over again.
Speaker 2: So there's a forgetting.
Speaker 1: And so he's like, so Pritticken says, you know, she
Speaker 1: goes to doctor and he says, he puts on a
Speaker 1: whole foods plant basted on it. Okay, cured live thirty years.
Speaker 2: Wow. Okay.
Speaker 1: So he does it as a tribute to his grandmother.
Speaker 1: So so there's a couple of things with him. One okay,
Speaker 1: so then last time I was watching this other one.
Speaker 1: This's this other guy. Okay, but we're on YouTube. We're
Speaker 1: watching show on YouTube on the television. Can you imagine. Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 1: while I'm cooking up oak roats, I ask I asked
Speaker 1: christ to find something on the over endorsing endorsing you know,
Speaker 1: plant based while I'm cooking it up.
Speaker 2: So of course it's one guy's talking and he's like
Speaker 2: the head of cardiology America or something like.
Speaker 1: Literally, again, this one guy, I forget his name.
Speaker 2: He's new to me.
Speaker 1: He's like being added, and he's like he got in
Speaker 1: trouble a little bit because of this saucy thing he said.
Speaker 2: And I was like, Jesus, what's it going to be?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: But he goes, he goes, there are two kinds of cardiologists,
Speaker 1: vegans and those who haven't read the data. Oh fuck me, okay.
Speaker 2: Damn okay.
Speaker 1: And by the way, a leading cause of death among
Speaker 1: cardiologists heart disease. Yeah, I mean, I mean, which which
Speaker 1: is nothing. I mean, it's also like, I think the
Speaker 1: leading in America.
Speaker 2: Now like me because you because because again I'm I'm
Speaker 2: neverous whatever, but you saying to me, you were like,
Speaker 2: and this is what I wanted, because again I'm not
Speaker 2: going to read this guy. I need to get the
Speaker 2: stuff through you. You said something pretty inflammatory, pretty wild
Speaker 2: saucy about chicken. Because everyone's running around going.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't eat red meat, Get off my chicken.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's like vintage Okay, Well a couple of
Speaker 1: things I've read and and you know, poog is a
Speaker 1: rumor mill.
Speaker 2: To be clear, don't come here for and I want
Speaker 2: to be clear to to everyone that's listening.
Speaker 1: Also, I remember I will not be held accountable.
Speaker 2: And I'm never gonna not have any you know, I'm
Speaker 2: I think I'll always I'll be omnivorously.
Speaker 1: Hey I die but daily, right, Yeah, that's why I'm not.
Speaker 1: That's why I'm not saying, because that's why I wasn't
Speaker 1: like I'm a van because yeah, that is a like,
Speaker 1: that is a you know, I'm just at present exploring
Speaker 1: a particular intation.
Speaker 2: I think it's really good because I'm excited to see
Speaker 2: you're sending me photos of the wonder by the way,
Speaker 2: Wonder of an air Fried Chataki's last night moaning in ecstasy, Chataki.
Speaker 1: In the Wonders every night in my wonder Oven. I
Speaker 1: mean actually, actually this is Michael greg So. I boil
Speaker 1: my potatoes first, okay, because it's the least starch resist
Speaker 1: it keeps well. Yeah, so first it keeps like the nutrients.
Speaker 1: Then you cool them. This is the whole starch thing.
Speaker 1: When you cool your potatoes and then reheat them. The
Speaker 1: crystallizing of the starch, whatever that is. It's like a
Speaker 1: glucose hack. This is where I start.
Speaker 2: To like melt because I go the time, the effort,
Speaker 2: I'm like boiling it and then cooling it. It makes me
Speaker 2: want to just shatter every glad.
Speaker 1: But once you're a nutritarian. Yeah, okay, did you make
Speaker 1: that up?
Speaker 2: I've never heard that. No.
Speaker 1: No, there's this other guy Furman. You may remember his
Speaker 1: book to Live Now Now, you know, like when the
Speaker 1: student is ready to teach, her reappears.
Speaker 2: Sometimes.
Speaker 1: I remember seeing his book at my friends in like
Speaker 1: like it was her dad's book and in like two
Speaker 1: thousand or something, okay, two thousand and six, and I
Speaker 1: flipped through and I'm like he's saying no oil.
Speaker 2: I was like, well, this guy is a joker. Okay.
Speaker 1: I was like, this guy is obviously some ascetic monk,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like like this is just
Speaker 1: not this is not I just I wasn't ready for it.
Speaker 2: Okay. Part of it is because I'm not ready for
Speaker 2: no oil. Well, I know, I mean, you're I keep
Speaker 2: picturing your violent reaction when I first of all did
Speaker 2: not try to push it on you.
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you of course, okay, but you like
Speaker 1: it sort of. I have it like because I'm so sensitive.
Speaker 2: Like, well, I have it almost a thing. I have
Speaker 2: a religious thing with all of huge oil being.
Speaker 1: It's like and I say, huge news again, rum real pool.
Speaker 1: You can say, I am repeating what I've heard. Now
Speaker 1: go read this stuff, make your own choices whatever. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm just giving you like what has landed. Okay, it's
Speaker 1: literally has no nutrients, it's empty calories. Okay, but all
Speaker 1: of it pure fat. And you know, I've been pushing
Speaker 1: the fat agenda. I've been on this podcast saying and
Speaker 1: low fat was the I swallowed whole okay, okay, the
Speaker 1: the propaganda of okay, whatever, it doesn't matter, Okay.
Speaker 2: This inflames the internet. Inflames the internet, these questions about fat. Okay.
Speaker 1: And you've got the bulletproof guy who is absolutely, you know,
Speaker 1: coconut oil mcts fat the whole thing. You should be
Speaker 1: in a state of kutosis at all times for the
Speaker 1: brain function. And then you got the other guys who
Speaker 1: are like saying, and I feel who are you know saying.
Speaker 2: No coconut oil, you fuck? Okay, no oils at all?
Speaker 1: What about algae oil. What about af a coddle no oils.
Speaker 1: If it's an oil, it has no fiber, it has
Speaker 1: it's good in the olive.
Speaker 2: The idea of being removed and the idea that the
Speaker 2: idea of being that clogs your heart right.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean dietary diritarry like basically about fat,
Speaker 1: like you know, oxidizing in the bloodstream and and fucking
Speaker 1: with the endothelial.
Speaker 2: Layer of every artery, which is what it's all about.
Speaker 1: So so I actually recorded this for you for fun,
Speaker 1: just to disturb you. Oh no, okay, no, it's just
Speaker 1: it's rip Asselston. I mean, I'm sharing this with this
Speaker 1: sort of excitement because it's fun. I am, I am missus.
Speaker 1: Do not limit butter fat whatever this is Jacquline, like.
Speaker 2: In the case of in the over the Course of Change,
Speaker 2: the case study Jacqueline Jacqueline with yeah, by the oh
Speaker 2: my god, I was gonna side talk with something. I
Speaker 2: can't hear it.
Speaker 1: We try again because I'm putting it next to the thing.
Speaker 2: Okay, ready, So.
Speaker 3: I said, listens and the candy bars. But they had
Speaker 3: no idea that extracted plant oils weren't hard, healthy and
Speaker 3: weren't beneficial, so I said, listen, this epitomizes the triumph
Speaker 3: of marketing over science. Let's pick an olive oil for
Speaker 3: a second. It takes one and seventy five dollars that
Speaker 3: you have to squeeze to death, right to get enough
Speaker 3: olive oil for one thirty two ounce bottle, And you
Speaker 3: get rid of all the fiber in the water and
Speaker 3: the phyto nutrients of the antioxidants in the water, and
Speaker 3: you're left with one hundred percent fat, the most concentrated
Speaker 3: source of calories on the planet, and it's fifteen percent
Speaker 3: saturated fat. And all it's doing is contributing to America's
Speaker 3: heart disease and obesity epidemic. Okay, but milk, Milk does
Speaker 3: a body good, right, said guys, Milk does no body
Speaker 3: any good?
Speaker 2: All right, You've been marketed to death.
Speaker 1: Don't buy the hype.
Speaker 3: As a matter of fact, this milk is just liquid meat.
Speaker 2: Is what it is.
Speaker 3: It's at the very similar nutritional composition.
Speaker 2: And as a matter of fact, one eight.
Speaker 3: Ounce glass of whole milk has a s amount of stature.
Speaker 3: There's four slices of bacon.
Speaker 2: Okay, I love bacon. I know, no, no, no, I
Speaker 2: tried to get no, no, no, And this is why
Speaker 2: it goes right, ever goes How do you know, everyone,
Speaker 2: I don't fucking know. I'll just never do one thing.
Speaker 2: I can't I mean one thing, Like I guess what
Speaker 2: I mean is I I fully you know, limiting me
Speaker 2: all that great limiting dairy probably for the best, but
Speaker 2: don't take away my oil.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 1: So a week ago, okay, I was saying, I am
Speaker 1: not ready to like I'm trying to explain that I
Speaker 1: am saying all this with the fact you're not doing
Speaker 1: From now, I will say, does everyone understand that? That's
Speaker 1: what I'm trying to who here? All right, It's it's
Speaker 1: not a daily okay, it's like I find it fascinating.
Speaker 1: So a week I'm going, but you can't be serious
Speaker 1: about olive oil, okay, And I'm going, what the fuck
Speaker 1: the Mediterranean diet? Okay, isn't that one of the ones
Speaker 1: that was study and whatever?
Speaker 2: However, apparently what Gregor says is that the father of
Speaker 2: the Mediterranean diet a guy who's sort of credited with.
Speaker 1: That ansel Keys.
Speaker 2: Okay. Wow.
Speaker 1: He wasn't saying all Will's heart healthy. He was trying
Speaker 1: to get him off the meat and any way they
Speaker 1: would eat the veget he could get him eat.
Speaker 2: The vegetables right right, right, So I'll take okay, so
Speaker 2: whatever whatever right now. So I'm going.
Speaker 1: But but when Gregor lays out the data and the
Speaker 1: thousands and thousands and.
Speaker 2: Thousands of studies, I guess what we eat a lot
Speaker 2: of tofu in this house good. Although there is a
Speaker 2: there is a limit. There is a certain threshold of
Speaker 2: it that you don't want to cross. Well, I doubt,
Speaker 2: but you want to make sure you're but you do
Speaker 2: want it in your diet, like like.
Speaker 1: You definitely want to. It has all these benefits. Tempe
Speaker 1: is even better. But the things I've.
Speaker 2: Heard are you feeling do you feel difference? No? Yeah,
Speaker 2: I say, I love that, you know what I mean. Like,
Speaker 2: but I mean, I'm asking on Jackon because you were
Speaker 2: very like if I eat grain wherever I crash, I sleep,
Speaker 2: I can't well. I'm a little like this morning I
Speaker 2: did eat like I kind of overdid it with the oatmeal, okay,
Speaker 2: or I should say with my steel cut.
Speaker 1: I love oatmeal, Okay, I did. Steel cut should take
Speaker 1: a lot longer.
Speaker 2: I can't believe this. Jacqueline Novac having oats I mean
Speaker 2: it is a new day, unbelievable, okay.
Speaker 1: So, and I mean I did it for you before, Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: years ago, I was a queen, you.
Speaker 2: Know what I mean. Sure, but it's been years of notes.
Speaker 1: My current reality, I'm trying to be clear is the following.
Speaker 1: It really comes down to the core of what I'm
Speaker 1: doing right now, probably uh doctor Gregor's daily dozen.
Speaker 2: Okay, so walk me through that.
Speaker 1: Okay, So let me give you the daily dozen.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: So I am making sure. And there's an app, a
Speaker 1: free app, okay, okay, call it called whatever, all right?
Speaker 2: So beans three servings a day, a serving serving a cup,
Speaker 2: a half cup cooked beans, okay, a fourth a cup
Speaker 2: of hummus, because that's you know, constant and a half
Speaker 2: cups of beans does nothing, I know, Okay, but you know, Oh,
Speaker 2: by the way, the bed, I was talking to a friend, Yeah,
Speaker 2: a hag who's a bean protocol who literally reversed but
Speaker 2: she again, this is what so debilitating migraines. We used
Speaker 2: to talk a lot about migraines. The bean protocol. I
Speaker 2: feel like I've talked about it's a whole bean thing,
Speaker 2: but also appslutly no sugar apps. We no caffeine. You know,
Speaker 2: it's tough. Yeah, she changed her life. She's like, I'll
Speaker 2: do it with us in my life, like literally like
Speaker 2: ended her migraines. Yeah. Actually on nutrition facts beans, I mean,
Speaker 2: you start looking things up on nutrition facts dot org.
Speaker 1: Like if I if I just type in migraine, let's just.
Speaker 2: See what comes up.
Speaker 1: Foods that help migraine really blah blah blah, ginger for migraine, lavendar,
Speaker 1: he does all the whatever. I have to go go
Speaker 1: in and all right, but I do have to get
Speaker 1: through the daily, doesn't Yeah. Okay, so half a cook
Speaker 1: is serving three times a day, I mean three per day.
Speaker 1: I just think it's probably better eat them at once.
Speaker 1: But they have benefits. So have you heard about the
Speaker 1: second meal thing with beans? If you eat beans and
Speaker 1: meal one, later in meal two, when you go and
Speaker 1: have a piece of cake for your for your lunch, okay,
Speaker 1: you have less of a glucose response.
Speaker 2: Yeah that you know literally from beans earlier that day. Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm cool, all right.
Speaker 1: Berries one serving a day, half a cup fresh or frozen.
Speaker 1: Other fruits okay, one medium fruit. There's three sorry o
Speaker 1: fruits three servings a day. So guess who's back on
Speaker 1: tart Granny Smith apples. Now it's another thing I struggle
Speaker 1: to control myself around. Okay, but my hope is because
Speaker 1: of my nutritarian system, I have to get all the
Speaker 1: things I'm about to read out to you in and
Speaker 1: it just it takes work to make sure you get
Speaker 1: all these things in. So he's not like I'm just
Speaker 1: left with a bag of apples. No, of course, cruciferous
Speaker 1: vegetables servings one per day. Okay, Broccoli, you you know
Speaker 1: the ones, but there's some that you might not know.
Speaker 1: Are that like. And by the way, broccoli sprouts. Guess
Speaker 1: who's about to start sprouting around broccoli sprout.
Speaker 2: I want to talk about brocoli sprouts because broccoli sprouts.
Speaker 2: That shit is real.
Speaker 1: And you know, as Gregor says, you know he has
Speaker 1: fresh produce. He has got a couple of rotations. So
Speaker 1: he's always got them because they know they just grow
Speaker 1: every a couple of days. Who's always got and they
Speaker 1: are like high nutrients. But I'm learning crazy stuff about
Speaker 1: like chop your broccoli. If you clear broccoli and nutrients,
Speaker 1: then you add mustard or horse radish and it actually
Speaker 1: adds back the enzyme that gives you the thing that
Speaker 1: you remove by cooking it.
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, that's something like chopping brocoli is supposed
Speaker 2: to leave it like cut up for like ten minutes
Speaker 2: and then cook it. Yea something crazy?
Speaker 1: Yes, So like ideally you chop it and like you know,
Speaker 1: chop it earlier or whatever. But if you and then
Speaker 1: if you can't do that because a lot of these things,
Speaker 1: This is why the whole foods thing, It's like a
Speaker 1: lot of these things involve things like reads is supposed
Speaker 1: to chew it is because when you chew it, the
Speaker 1: saliva actually interacts with a thing that causes a certain
Speaker 1: endsign that causes it to have a certain reaction.
Speaker 2: You know, it's tough news. What you won't be that
Speaker 2: upset by, I don't think. But yeah, and we knew
Speaker 2: this to a certain extent. You know, it's not ideal.
Speaker 2: What don't smoothies? Oh well we knew that, okay, But
Speaker 2: I mean, but depends on what's in it. Well, just in.
Speaker 1: Terms of getting your fruit. I mean, this is why
Speaker 1: I wouldn't juice because I was worried about the fiber.
Speaker 1: But well, juice a juice, celery.
Speaker 2: You can green juice. By the way, I need to
Speaker 2: shut out the Herr juicer which they sent us, which
Speaker 2: is humbliele. It's making the most delicious juice I've ever had.
Speaker 2: It's and it's I'm telling you this, guys. The cleanup
Speaker 2: is because I had a juicer. Yeah, God bless, here
Speaker 2: I go Brebo. We know I love my Bambino, but
Speaker 2: I pay out a pocket for a rebel juicer. God
Speaker 2: bless it's so loud. It's to other. There's a car
Speaker 2: in the kitchen screaming and was it a hot motor?
Speaker 2: Just just yeah whatever, Yeah, I guess so the hurrahm.
Speaker 2: It's it's sleek. The cleanup is easy. You put it
Speaker 2: all in like a basket. You press a button and
Speaker 2: it just starts slowly punching it down. It is really fun.
Speaker 1: So I've been doing daily Celery juice. Yeah, yeah, just
Speaker 1: because there's that guy who's like the profit of Celery. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I haven't even seen much on Gregor's side about that,
Speaker 1: but I'm sort of still doing it. I was still
Speaker 1: doing it based on like the rumor.
Speaker 2: I just like doing whatever the fuck green juice with
Speaker 2: like ginger lemon.
Speaker 1: I just I the more the whole food that there
Speaker 1: are ways, there are ways that.
Speaker 2: Because you're losing the fiber or whatever. Talking about fruit specifically, right.
Speaker 1: It's TBD. I mean like it's like you know, pulverizing it, right,
Speaker 1: like always pulverizing vitamin Well, your mouth can't pulverize like
Speaker 1: a VitaminX can, which is with VitaminX like is like
Speaker 1: see we're getting access to nutrients, you know, Like I
Speaker 1: remember these Greensmooe books talking about you need a really
Speaker 1: strong blender like the vitamins, so it pulverizes the cellular structure,
Speaker 1: you know. But then over here in these studies were going,
Speaker 1: oh wait, actually no, you don't want that cellular structure.
Speaker 1: It's like you know, no, you don't want it broken down.
Speaker 1: You actually want it to make it all the way
Speaker 1: down to the you know, large intestine. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying or what it's like. It's a lot of information,
Speaker 1: but one thing that's it's like never wrong is eating
Speaker 1: a whole you know what I mean, Like, yes, some
Speaker 1: things are more whatever when cooked. You know, I'm getting
Speaker 1: into it and I'm enjoying it. And fruits and vegetables,
Speaker 1: you know, fun are like my new friends. Okay, I
Speaker 1: think that's fun learning things about all right, will you
Speaker 1: please fruits, cruciferous vegetables, such a good dinner last night.
Speaker 1: Greens okay, greens two servings a day, one cup raw.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Other vegetables e g. Non leafy vegetables, so you get
Speaker 1: your mushrooms, you know, et cetera. Okay, this is this
Speaker 1: is this is this is a big one.
Speaker 2: That's easy.
Speaker 1: Flax Seed one serving per day, one tablespoon ground.
Speaker 2: Ground flox seed makes my stomach fucking in the worst
Speaker 2: pain of my life. I'm like must allergic. Yeah, flox
Speaker 2: seed meal probably ate more than a tablespoon, but flox
Speaker 2: seed meal focks my stomach like almost like hospital level pain.
Speaker 1: Wait, but why would you have had more than tablespoon
Speaker 1: where you're treating it like aching, putting it in goods
Speaker 1: and not and like a cup of it, like like
Speaker 1: it like.
Speaker 2: Cloud even not not even that much. But yeah, made
Speaker 2: the most, We made the most unbelievebly delicious flaxied chocolate
Speaker 2: banana bread. Moaning doubled over in pain on verge of tears,
Speaker 2: like in the middle of the night, Oh my god. Yeah,
Speaker 2: expands in the stomach to the point of.
Speaker 1: The right, like like was there? I wonder you have
Speaker 1: to try it again?
Speaker 2: How are you downing? How are you fox seed meal in?
Speaker 2: How are you getting get in?
Speaker 1: So I I have already I finished one canister of
Speaker 1: nutritional yeast okay, so good, okay, And so I used it.
Speaker 1: I poured the flax into it. So I shake it
Speaker 1: onto salads, I shake it onto things.
Speaker 2: Got it? And that's generally how I do it. And
Speaker 2: I just make sure to try to get to a
Speaker 2: tablespoon a tablespoon socket.
Speaker 1: Okay, nuts and seeds, one serving a day, a fourth
Speaker 1: a cup of nuts, nuts, or two tablespoons nut, butter,
Speaker 1: herbs and spices, you know, turmeric, of course, it's recommended
Speaker 1: whole grains. Three servings per day. Now a serving is
Speaker 1: a half a cup of hot cereal, okay, or a
Speaker 1: slice of bread. I like a big fucking bowl of
Speaker 1: hot cereal. So that's going to be an issue, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like, yeah, like that's where it's
Speaker 1: going to be, Like it's gonna be hard. I don't
Speaker 1: want to have a half cup of ooatmeal.
Speaker 2: Can't you have a cup and a half then three servings?
Speaker 1: Sure, but then that's no grain later in the day
Speaker 1: when you would have a grain bowl with me.
Speaker 2: It's got it.
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's like this is where you know,
Speaker 1: portion control?
Speaker 2: Last night, breaking through extra firm tofu on a box grater, okay,
Speaker 2: grading it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was graded and I couldn't tell.
Speaker 2: Believable we did. We did sushi rice with the grated
Speaker 2: like stir fried kind of tofu air fried, chataki, mushrooms,
Speaker 2: chopped up cucumber, scallions, sesame seeds, Nori got seaweed. Unyeah,
Speaker 2: believable food. I've actually made a few.
Speaker 1: What did I make? Like an avocado roll? But yeah,
Speaker 1: I finally got the thing that helps you roll it.
Speaker 2: You know, this is the driest Poog episode ever I
Speaker 2: was going through. I mean, listen, I'm actually I'm riveted though,
Speaker 2: because I want the full daily dozen. I want to
Speaker 2: hear it.
Speaker 1: So I've questioned my life like a lot during this episode,
Speaker 1: Like I am like, but again, there's a larger performance
Speaker 1: that po of Poog. There's a larger performance art I insist,
Speaker 1: do you understand?
Speaker 2: Well, well, I want to say that I went to
Speaker 2: that I was having a fet beverages five a day.
Speaker 2: You get mad when I left the list, So I
Speaker 2: want to go back. Okay, you hated my easels, all right,
Speaker 2: So no, I didn't. So beverages five helpful beverages a day.
Speaker 2: This is where we get into water, green tea and
Speaker 2: biscus tea. Now, he pulled all this research and he
Speaker 2: decided to line up all of the anti accidents of
Speaker 2: all the different things because he was pushing green tea
Speaker 2: for years. Okay, based on the studies. Holy shit, hibiscus
Speaker 2: was through the roof. How are you doing it? Okay,
Speaker 2: how do you compare it?
Speaker 1: So right now, I don't have any special strainer or anything.
Speaker 1: But of course got so determined on this that I
Speaker 1: already sent my parents the strainer, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: like so they could get on it.
Speaker 2: I don't like leave people in the dust.
Speaker 1: So Mason jar Okay, I throw in the hibiscus flowers dried. Yeah,
Speaker 1: throw them in like the equivalent of what I imagine, like
Speaker 1: four tea bags is or whatever. Fill it with water, boiling,
Speaker 1: screw the cap back on, throwing the fridge cold.
Speaker 2: No cold brew overnight. Wait in the way, it's not boiling.
Speaker 2: You just don't have to. You can cold brew hibiscus.
Speaker 1: Oh, next morning, Okay, I pull it out and right
Speaker 1: now I just have a little strainer and I just
Speaker 1: pour it into a new into the other jar. Now,
Speaker 1: you don't want to drink more than a court a day,
Speaker 1: A big like a like a I guess thirty two
Speaker 1: ounces because of the manganese content, okay, which you want,
Speaker 1: but anyway, you want to liminate it for the cup.
Speaker 1: You don't want to drink gallons I mean, I mean, sorry,
Speaker 1: at a court, okay.
Speaker 2: And how much is the court? How many cups is
Speaker 2: the court? I'm pretty sure it's let me shry. I
Speaker 2: think it's thirty two ounces. Hold on, well, that's fine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so so like a big Mason jar, just like
Speaker 1: a normal Ariwon soup mason jar.
Speaker 2: Got it? Got it?
Speaker 1: It's no more than a full Mason jar. Yeah of course. Okay,
Speaker 1: but spread it out through the day and rinse your
Speaker 1: teeth after okay, and try not to drink it three
Speaker 1: hours before until three hours before you brush your teeth because.
Speaker 2: Got it, it's acidic. Got it? Oh? God? Full time
Speaker 2: job here, full job, you know.
Speaker 1: I've also started working in the kitchen, okay, which has
Speaker 1: been huge. It's part of sort of the stool culture
Speaker 1: for me, okay, which is and I'm going to get
Speaker 1: a little thing there kind of in the kitchen. My
Speaker 1: oats are cooking, and my laptop is resting on this
Speaker 1: great I have going across the sink. Water is flying
Speaker 1: over the laptop. I don't care, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: because you're there, yeah, cooking in there, and I don't
Speaker 1: know something about it.
Speaker 2: It's like really working. I completely believe it. I had
Speaker 2: I had a food melt down. I was in Vancouver
Speaker 2: very briefly, and it was a thing of like wanting
Speaker 2: me being invigorated by your veganism, that me getting excited suddenly.
Speaker 1: Feeling you calling veganism is going to be a continued
Speaker 1: issue Piccadillo for why. But it is vegan, it happens
Speaker 1: to be vegan.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, if it's okay, there's a consciousness shift to say,
Speaker 2: because first of all, hear what you're saying. What do
Speaker 2: you what do you prefer whole foods, plant based?
Speaker 1: Okay, that's here, that's what you got to google to
Speaker 1: get to the real information that we want.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Sure, not just because vegan, you could be on a
Speaker 1: trash diet, like not even just because of that, but
Speaker 1: also because I do think veganism, like as a ism
Speaker 1: is a thing that people like you know, are doing
Speaker 1: with a.
Speaker 2: You don't care about the animals. Yeah, well it's no,
Speaker 2: I mean I'm it's not that like I'm thrilled.
Speaker 1: Of course, I feel like look boo the cat and
Speaker 1: the eye, you know what i mean. Like I feel
Speaker 1: like like but I ate meat for for years and
Speaker 1: and just blocked it out right, So it's like, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. It's it's like a It's like
Speaker 1: I'm trying out like, am I trying out something? Am
Speaker 1: I trying out non violence?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? So anyway, I just wofully,
Speaker 2: my base is what's gotten me and like hopefully all
Speaker 2: and yes, like well I love docs.
Speaker 1: The environmental I mean it'll fuck you up, of course.
Speaker 2: You know I'm excited for you to come over and
Speaker 2: for us to make a gorgeous plant based cornucopia went
Speaker 2: to Vancouver. I'll just say, oh yeah, woke up. I
Speaker 2: was like, I want juice right door dashed delivered. You know,
Speaker 2: it's like turmeric juice, Okay, two shots a protein like
Speaker 2: kind of like an Osie situation. Right, I'm posting on
Speaker 2: fucking Instagram. What came. I was devastating. I texted you
Speaker 2: so upset. Took one bite. It was literally I'm like,
Speaker 2: have you blended the osie with liquid cane sugar? It
Speaker 2: was inedibly sweet, in edible, and it looked I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't think it was maple syrup. I sent you this photo.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's nothing about the photo that if you
Speaker 1: told me that was delicious and made of the like,
Speaker 1: there's nothing offensive on that photoka.
Speaker 2: I mean, but the turmerk juice take out so much
Speaker 2: honey and it was a glass of honey. I was devastated.
Speaker 2: And then I door dashed Starbucks And what did you
Speaker 2: get from them? You're not gonna like egg bites? I
Speaker 2: like it. I don't judge the other food you see.
Speaker 2: This is what you're forcing Vegas. Okay, okay, but and
Speaker 2: I don't. But in an emergency, you know, in an emergency,
Speaker 2: the Starbucks egg bites, I texted, I would eat.
Speaker 1: I love the Starbucks bite God, I mean, like in
Speaker 1: a pits the.
Speaker 2: Fucking spot, Yeah, yeah, hits. The spot was on the
Speaker 2: plane yesterday. I sat on the plane for a for
Speaker 2: an hour. Co pilot's stuck in traffic. Is that interesting? No, yeah,
Speaker 2: co pilot's stuck in traffic. So you're stuck at the gate.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, on the plane, he's not. He's no, that's
Speaker 2: the gate. They didn't they weren't taxiing. Yeah, the guy's
Speaker 2: not even exactly And I was just sitting there.
Speaker 1: That's insane.
Speaker 2: Guy next to me. It was insane. How do you
Speaker 2: feel about this guy next to me? Older gentleman, maybe
Speaker 2: sixty maybe under. About thirty minutes in starts hacking. He's
Speaker 2: wearing a surgical mask, which we know doesn't really do shit.
Speaker 2: He's hacking, coughing, taking off the mask to blow his nose,
Speaker 2: and I go, well, here we go. I'm wearing a mask.
Speaker 2: But I'm like, could it be that it's just he
Speaker 2: literally knows he has COVID or is it he's actively sick,
Speaker 2: not sure what it is or is it? Because if
Speaker 2: I were displaying symptoms like that sitting on a plane,
Speaker 2: I was, and I knew and it wasn't COVID, it
Speaker 2: was just residial whatever. Would literally turned to the person
Speaker 2: and go, by the way like, I'm not sick, Like
Speaker 2: I've just had this, you know, for weeks. But the
Speaker 2: fact that he didn't do. That made me go, this
Speaker 2: motherfucker has COVID.
Speaker 1: That's a very specific personality style. That what the hacking. No, no,
Speaker 1: the hacking juice. To be clear, it's not COVID. Okay,
Speaker 1: there's different versions with this personality. No, but I turned
Speaker 1: to the person it's COVID. This one makes me thinks
Speaker 1: that he knows it's COVID, and he goes, well, I'm
Speaker 1: traveling with a mask.
Speaker 3: Is that.
Speaker 2: I was like inching kind of away from him, like
Speaker 2: I just was like, I'm gonna kill myself this motherfucker. Like,
Speaker 2: by the way, he's taking off his mask to eat
Speaker 2: chicken pacata, My mask stayed on. Thank you took it off.
Speaker 2: Of course that because I was dying of hunger. I
Speaker 2: had to eat a bar drink some water. But he said, oh,
Speaker 2: can I get up to use the He's like, oh,
Speaker 2: do you mind if I get to use the restroom?
Speaker 2: And I've said sure, and he goes, thank you so much,
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry. He starts apologizing this way. I go,
Speaker 2: you're apologizing forgiving me COVID right now, motherfucker. Like the
Speaker 2: way that he was so effusively like I'm so sorry.
Speaker 2: I was like it's fine, no, no getting up to
Speaker 2: let you go to the bathroom. That is fine.
Speaker 1: This is fascinating. I wonder this I just I just
Speaker 1: can't say unless.
Speaker 2: I'm so excessively polite. And he was like to the
Speaker 2: flight attendant, he was doing a whole like, well, would
Speaker 2: it be possible to get ice? You know, I'm like,
Speaker 2: what are you doing right now? Guilt? Wait?
Speaker 1: He was blowing it was is it possible to cough?
Speaker 1: Was chronic or he was blowing his nose like it
Speaker 1: was an active like couldn't he be a god?
Speaker 2: Could it be a chronic coughing Jacqueline coughing a lot
Speaker 2: coughs can be like yeah, this shoe like I mean,
Speaker 2: like he gets blowing issues like he could be like
Speaker 2: on the way out. In my case, he was on
Speaker 2: his way out, but he was hacking, coughing, blowing his nose.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the blowing his nose makes it sound like e's
Speaker 1: actively fighting something off.
Speaker 2: Well, I guess we'll find out. Do I go visit
Speaker 2: my elderly parents say, as I was planning, you know,
Speaker 2: this is like this is what we These are the
Speaker 2: the questions.
Speaker 1: I wonder if you could empower yourself to be like.
Speaker 2: Is it COVID? I was almost considering like, hey, motherfucker,
Speaker 2: just tell me right now is it? Because I know
Speaker 2: I should have done.
Speaker 1: That, because I mean, you could also lure him in
Speaker 1: with the you're not gonna get in trouble ruse, But
Speaker 1: like you know, just like just like, listen, I don't
Speaker 1: give a shit is it COVID? Like or just like
Speaker 1: like I don't blame you, but like let me know
Speaker 1: is a COVID?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 1: And then if he's like it is, you could be
Speaker 1: like then you can start being like talking to the
Speaker 1: the flight attendant saying like can I get moved or something?
Speaker 2: Get moved? Way, like do whatever you gotta do to
Speaker 2: get the information, to pull the information out of him.
Speaker 2: Oh god.
Speaker 1: But I also don't think there's a reason for you
Speaker 1: to assume. Could you should start you should start asking?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean, well because people, as we know, people
Speaker 2: do have COVID in there, and they're you know, they're
Speaker 2: out there running around knowing it. Really That's why I
Speaker 2: was like, this fucking cocksucker has COVID hacking it up?
Speaker 2: Were you in business class?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Again it was a job, no, I know, so that
Speaker 2: they flew you they flew me first. First, it was
Speaker 2: shitty first. But yeah, oh it was old school first.
Speaker 2: Ash tray ash, yeah, tray first. So it's just it's
Speaker 2: a bigger seat. Yeah, whatever, no point in dwelling on it.
Speaker 2: Here's a here's a fun little I'll wrap us up
Speaker 2: with this. So I'm staying at hotel, you know, in
Speaker 2: for a job. Nice hotel. In the morning, I'm leaving
Speaker 2: and I asked to get my room made up because truly,
Speaker 2: because I I had order did so much takeout. So
Speaker 2: coming home.
Speaker 1: That nack of takeout in a bag, trash sitting on top,
Speaker 1: resting atop a tiny hotel sized trash coffee table.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, my life, Yeah totally, I know. Okay, go on,
Speaker 2: So the room made up. I come back. It'd be
Speaker 2: eleven thirty that night. Can walk in, walk in. Oh,
Speaker 2: you know, it's a big room. It was like like
Speaker 2: a living room area. I'm like, wow, they made it up.
Speaker 2: It's great. I have like nothing with me. It's two nights.
Speaker 2: I have a tiny bag, very sparse. I turn the
Speaker 2: corner into the bedroom. Next to the bed, perfectly made up,
Speaker 2: is a baby crib. Did you were you frightened? For
Speaker 2: a second? I was frightened. I mean howling laughing. No,
Speaker 2: well it was I was howling laughing because it was eerie.
Speaker 2: And I'm going to post the photo because it's like
Speaker 2: it was.
Speaker 1: Your photo was very The crib is like Sanda is
Speaker 1: the presence of the crib.
Speaker 2: It's so funny and also just like a business woman
Speaker 2: like them, like oh yeah, they're like this woman hardened
Speaker 2: by work coming home and then put the whore and
Speaker 2: on the tenth floor. It's put a crib neck. It's
Speaker 2: I mean, it's so fun to mock you to say
Speaker 2: what about your family that you've left home? Or yeah,
Speaker 2: baby and a baby crib? And I was like, you.
Speaker 1: Have an empty crib in your life.
Speaker 2: I know exactly what image by the way you could
Speaker 2: trigger someone to hell with that. Yeah, I was like,
Speaker 2: that could be the most upsetting thing that someone could.
Speaker 1: I want to here's what I'm back to.
Speaker 2: You want to review this, okay, I want to review this.
Speaker 1: I want you to call I'll pick up you say
Speaker 1: you want to get the room made up and just
Speaker 1: do it as you would have done it.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: I want to see if there's something they could have
Speaker 1: heard that they might have interpreted and missed her.
Speaker 2: By the way, I didn't call. I put the please
Speaker 2: make up the room thing on, and then on my
Speaker 2: way out, I said hi. Because I was even kind
Speaker 2: of late, I was like, what are the gospels? To
Speaker 2: get my room made up? That's all I said. I
Speaker 2: say that was words room made up?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, if possible to get my room made.
Speaker 2: Up, crib up, put the crib in the room up. Yeah. No,
Speaker 2: And I have a baby, so maybe get a let's
Speaker 2: get a crib in there for the baby, thank you? Like,
Speaker 2: there's no way. So I it was late and I
Speaker 2: was tired, and I was like, I don't need it
Speaker 2: to go away. But I was like, but I should
Speaker 2: call because what if somebody's like worries my fucking crib.
Speaker 2: So I called the front desk and I was like, Hi,
Speaker 2: I just came back and there's a crib next. And
Speaker 2: by the way, I want to be clear, this crib
Speaker 2: means they assembled it in the room. It's like a
Speaker 2: big crib. Yeah, it's not like a basinette. It's a
Speaker 2: fucking crib. Like, I don't think it would have fit
Speaker 2: inside the door. Maybe, well, how did they get it out?
Speaker 2: Then we'll know they answer that question. Well, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I left to check out. The next morning.
Speaker 1: She was like, oh, they didn't come and get it.
Speaker 2: No. I said that next year she was like, I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: I could have someone come get it. I was like,
Speaker 2: it was like, no, it's I'm so tired. I don't
Speaker 2: want to, you know. I was like, no, no, no, it's
Speaker 2: no problem. I just wanted to make sure someone else
Speaker 2: wasn't waiting on a crib. And she was like, oh,
Speaker 2: it must be some error. No, it's fine. We can
Speaker 2: take it out in the morning. I said, okay, So
Speaker 2: I slept next to the empty crib. Incredible. It's kind
Speaker 2: of interesting. I think I didn't. I made a point
Speaker 2: not to touch it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, I think that was smart, almost.
Speaker 2: Like in a superstition. I was like, and on so
Speaker 2: many different levels, I think that was smart. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean been a very object I might have been like
Speaker 2: a very charged.
Speaker 1: First of all, you're begging, you know, I mean, it's
Speaker 1: a it's like a horror movie, you know, premise where
Speaker 1: you go it's fine, and it's like, but you haven't
Speaker 1: thought of all the reasons it's not fine. And I
Speaker 1: could come up with two cursed no. No, I think
Speaker 1: I thought I had woken up with a demon in there.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I thought it was kind of playful. I thought
Speaker 2: it was kind of cool. I was like, oh, away,
Speaker 2: you do these these whole signs to me. But it
Speaker 2: was like, what was it, what did it mean? It
Speaker 2: was very Harsham have a baby. Yeah, I guess, oh
Speaker 2: my god, kind of crazy.
Speaker 1: I just also think, like I inherently picture it as
Speaker 1: like a germ. I just don't really anything that isn't
Speaker 1: you know whatever hotels are disgusting, But then anything that's
Speaker 1: sort of like the rogue items like the cots and
Speaker 1: of course Jesus, you know a humidifier, you know, like that.
Speaker 1: Apparently it's the thing you can ask for a hotel.
Speaker 2: It's like clean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, cots and cribs and the storage unit that those
Speaker 1: are in the closet. Those are coming up from just
Speaker 1: picturing fluorescent light, almost worse than if they were held
Speaker 1: in the dark closet. There's like a room that's fluorescent
Speaker 1: all night long, and there's like a crib there and
Speaker 1: six cots and another crib. There's something disappointing in a
Speaker 1: business when you see that their businesses run on stuff
Speaker 1: you can buy at the store. Like under the sink
Speaker 1: you see the Clorox wipes and you're just like, like
Speaker 1: in I don't know, in a in the office, in
Speaker 1: the hotel, like in the office, like in a in
Speaker 1: a site, like in the lunch room in a hotel.
Speaker 1: Do you know what I'm saying. It'd be like you
Speaker 1: see windex or something like someone carrying windecks, Like it
Speaker 1: almost seems like everything should be like, oh, they ran
Speaker 1: out for some windecks, Like everything should be coming down
Speaker 1: through the hotels, like branding or.
Speaker 2: Something like you want to you want to see wind
Speaker 2: decks with.
Speaker 1: The Hilton logo, Like I'm like, decan't into Hilton spritzer car.
Speaker 1: There's just I think it breaks a little bit of
Speaker 1: the mystery I don't have. These are not none of
Speaker 1: these are the perfect example, but I know one's out there.
Speaker 2: If you were me, would you go see your parents?
Speaker 2: Like having been to the hacking man, I don't know
Speaker 2: what to do truly. Yesterday had a mask on, yeah,
Speaker 2: but I mean I took it off to drink water.
Speaker 2: I mean it wasn't of his. Oh yeah, he's having
Speaker 2: fucking chicken pocados. Bitch.
Speaker 1: No, I mean, I mean, when did.
Speaker 2: You guess there was some crossover. Yeah, not a lot,
Speaker 2: but there was definitely crossover.
Speaker 1: I mean, how long is the fucking incubation two days?
Speaker 2: What isn't the newer strains it's like fast, right, It's like,
Speaker 2: oh fuck.
Speaker 1: Me, I don't know, man, I mean, I just don't know.
Speaker 2: I Mean.
Speaker 1: The other thing though, is like everyone you're you're also
Speaker 1: going to your I mean you are going to your
Speaker 1: parents after you go out to dinner with me.
Speaker 2: Like, well, that's that's what I'm saying. I'm I'm I'm
Speaker 2: not living life exactly. No, I'm not at all.
Speaker 1: Kind of doesn't seem like I know, I know, it
Speaker 1: kind of doesn't.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I kind of My mom had COVID
Speaker 2: a few weeks ago, no symptoms. Oh really, so that's good.
Speaker 2: But my dad still hasn't had it. But yeah, no,
Speaker 2: I'm not living like a hermetically sealed He's you know,
Speaker 2: he's seeing, he's getting visitors and stuff. People are traveling
Speaker 2: down Like oh really, yeah, all right, I'll just go.
Speaker 1: I just yeah, I just I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think I guess.
Speaker 1: I guess it's like if if he got it, I
Speaker 1: don't know, and could you live with that risk? Could
Speaker 1: you know having taken that risk?
Speaker 2: And yeah, I guess in the future. I'm just I'm
Speaker 2: gonna ask someone, here's it COVID because I have to
Speaker 2: adjust my plans. Then, you bitch, do you know if
Speaker 2: it's COVID, because they could have spontaneously, they could be Well,
Speaker 2: I haven't tested. I don't know. Yeah, do you know
Speaker 2: if it's COVID.
Speaker 1: It's almost I just want to make it as okay
Speaker 1: as possible for them to admit the truth. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to forget what that is. Right, So you like COVID,
Speaker 1: You're like, I get it. I just need ton't now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll get it. I don't care.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, well daily dozen, I'm gonna go have
Speaker 2: a brazil nut. I'm starving. I actually i'm starving. Let
Speaker 2: me make my The groats are being out. We're just
Speaker 2: finishing up downstairs. I got groats, I got I got
Speaker 2: steel cut. Oh it's going. My groats are borrowing to
Speaker 2: be clear. And yeah, I'll send you some pics, send
Speaker 2: me some pics. All right, back at it, back on
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