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Speaker 3: And welcome to No Dunks, a basketball podcast on the

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Speaker 3: Athletic Podcast Network. I'm your host for today, Trey Kirby

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Speaker 3: and joining me. It's a man who lets his cat

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Speaker 3: outside more often smells I have grown. I have grown.

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Speaker 2: Happy NBA season tomorrow, everybody, This one's for you.

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Speaker 3: We've got the man making the magic happen, celebrating NBA

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Speaker 3: Jersey Day. The biggest NBA fan I know, JD.

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Speaker 4: Chris Middleton books Jersey my favorite jersey. It's got the

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Speaker 4: Harley logo on the side here.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I love it. Harley logo. One of the

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Speaker 3: best jersey patches, no doubt about it. No skeats today.

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Speaker 3: Just got back from Seattle. Adjusting to the time zones.

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Speaker 3: I hear. Before we get into things tasks, we got

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Speaker 3: to pour one out. Rip to the Classic Factory, signed

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Speaker 3: this beautiful Neon sign. Gave us two seasons of hard

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Speaker 3: work putting the hard hat on every day, but over

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Speaker 3: the weekend decided no more, no more Neon for you guys.

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Speaker 3: So sad days, sad days in the Classic Factory. The

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Speaker 2: Classic Factory, we unplugged it. We had this conversation. GD

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Speaker 2: wasn't here to give us the that no, don't do it,

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Speaker 2: because we talked about it and JD has mentioned that

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Speaker 2: unplug it. But as JD said, it might, it might

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Speaker 4: At any time, Like I've left it on and it's

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Speaker 3: So we'll see, we'll see. It'll get your eyes peeled. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: keep your eyes peeled. It's a little bit of like

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Speaker 3: an easter egg. Which episode did the light turn gone?

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Speaker 2: We gotta have a five hour show, I guess.

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Speaker 3: And shouldn't be a problem. We did finish our five

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Speaker 3: part season previous series last week. Everything you possibly want

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Speaker 3: to know about the twenty four to twenty five NBA season.

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Speaker 3: We did Eastern and Western Conference over unders. We ranked

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Speaker 3: every team, we made the ward picks. You and Skeets

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Speaker 3: answered a bunch of burning questions on Friday or last

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Speaker 3: week on Wednesday. Is there anything you're regretting? Tests great question.

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Speaker 2: I've got people all over me for not giving the

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Speaker 3: But I think it is questionable with them for calling

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Speaker 3: me I'm a Warriors and a lover.

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Speaker 2: I do think they're far better than they are last season,

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Speaker 2: even without Clay people saying, oh, you love the Raptors

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Speaker 2: And tomorrow and the next day and the day after that,

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Speaker 3: Not yet. Yeah, my only regrets are, like, I feel

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you could be right, Love, Yeah, we have a

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Speaker 3: All right, Tassy, I'll give you a couple of sort

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Speaker 3: in a lot of topics here. I would call this

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Speaker 3: that's extinct. Now. You never hear about people talking about

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Speaker 2: Well, once it started entering the bathroom as a spray, yeah,

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Speaker 3: We got a stock up on potepoury poopery. Anyways, as

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Speaker 2: This is an interesting one because I'm not highly concerned

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Speaker 3: for Clay and the MAVs, it's weird. I think there

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Speaker 3: for the team. But I do think there's going to

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Speaker 3: with Clay and the Mavericks than people would assume you're, like,

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Speaker 3: All we need to do is pop him in. He's

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Speaker 2: That's a fair point that they are far different threes.

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Speaker 3: It looks odd. I mean it's odd. It's not.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely so. When he had thirty seven percent when

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Speaker 3: All right, Former Knicks talk. Last week, new Thunder center

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Speaker 3: Prevent him from having a start position.

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Speaker 3: It was cool. It was fun.

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Speaker 2: But I'm not so worried because Mark Degnell, he plays

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Speaker 3: You know, you've just done acute injury, your hand gets

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Speaker 2: It does stink that Max Streuce isn't gonna be there

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Speaker 3: So yeah, he's just a well randed player. Unfortunately for

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Speaker 3: It happens.

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Speaker 3: come off the bench as long as Precious as out,

431
00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:40,840
Speaker 3: just because with Mitch going down, Randall out, Hartenstein out

432
00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:43,600
Speaker 3: and now Precious as well, not a lot of rebounding

433
00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:45,480
Speaker 3: on the bench for the Knicks. So Josh Hart could

434
00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:47,600
Speaker 3: help there. And it seems like a guy who's comfortable

435
00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,080
Speaker 3: playing in the starting lineup or off the bench, so

436
00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:50,720
Speaker 3: we shall see.

437
00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:55,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, and these guys are fighters, they are Tims. Guys

438
00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:57,800
Speaker 2: like og Is going to go out there and play defensively,

439
00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:00,399
Speaker 2: as so is Michel Bridges. No matter what his is,

440
00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:04,040
Speaker 2: he plays more games than anybody in the National Basketball Association.

441
00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:07,000
Speaker 2: He plays year after year. He plays Max minutes or

442
00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:08,840
Speaker 2: max games and a lot of minutes.

443
00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:11,119
Speaker 3: So they do have tough dudes.

444
00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,080
Speaker 2: So there's that side of things. And they have got

445
00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:20,040
Speaker 2: great offense no matter what. Just overall, so they've got

446
00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:22,960
Speaker 2: some person They've got good personnel, even if they are

447
00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:26,119
Speaker 2: lacking that depth, which we talked about literally, you know,

448
00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:29,880
Speaker 2: a month ago. So unfortunately it's yeah, they's just rolling

449
00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:31,080
Speaker 2: into the regular season now.

450
00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:37,080
Speaker 3: Today it's the contract extension deadline for players drafted in

451
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty one. A few lottery guys still trying to

452
00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:43,000
Speaker 3: get deals done. According to Mark Stein, the Magic Jalen

453
00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:45,840
Speaker 3: Suggs is looking for a contract that starts at an

454
00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:49,760
Speaker 3: average annual value of thirty million dollars per year, which

455
00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:52,640
Speaker 3: is the same number that the Bulls Josh Giddy wants

456
00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:56,399
Speaker 3: per Jake Fisher task who's more likely to be extended

457
00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:58,280
Speaker 3: Suggs or Giddy.

458
00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,680
Speaker 2: Suggs is far more likely to get that thirty plus

459
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,399
Speaker 2: meal because the Atlanta Magic have shown they are going

460
00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:09,400
Speaker 2: for with their team and what they got, I think

461
00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,680
Speaker 2: that's fairly clear. We saw Franz Wagner get a Monster

462
00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:17,159
Speaker 2: two twenty four, even up to two seventy if he

463
00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:19,880
Speaker 2: makes it an all Star Game this season, they gave

464
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:23,360
Speaker 2: KCP sixty six. They gave Wendell Carter a fifty nine

465
00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:27,520
Speaker 2: million dollar extension. They gave Jonathan Isaac eighty four million,

466
00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:29,960
Speaker 2: which is a very nice twenty five million this year,

467
00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:33,320
Speaker 2: and it drops to fifteen the next year. It's quite descending.

468
00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,920
Speaker 2: So I think they've said this is our team. We're

469
00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,440
Speaker 2: willing to pay pal Bonkra I'm sure in the future.

470
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:41,680
Speaker 2: And yes, Jalen sug is going to be a part

471
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Speaker 2: of it. And he's a very very good defensive player.

472
00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:48,199
Speaker 2: So I when you're comparing Jalen Suggs and Josh Giddy,

473
00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:51,200
Speaker 2: they're different in that Sugs will take your perimeter player,

474
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 2: the best one on the other team, and we'll see

475
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:57,240
Speaker 2: how his offensive team our offensive side can grow, while

476
00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:01,320
Speaker 2: Giddy sort of the other way, but just not as

477
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:07,200
Speaker 2: not as not as good, not as goody. That's the truth.

478
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,240
Speaker 2: I mean, John, I think the Bulls, you know, as

479
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:11,240
Speaker 2: a bull send they want him to be good.

480
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,080
Speaker 3: Yeah. After reading that, Yeah, that's all they got back

481
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,680
Speaker 3: in the trade for Cruso, so definitely they want Yeah.

482
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,960
Speaker 2: After reading a report about the Sacramento Kings, who I

483
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:23,120
Speaker 2: can't wait to watch Sacramento Kings play, but apparently they offered.

484
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,880
Speaker 2: According to the Athletic, they offered their number thirteen pick

485
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:29,879
Speaker 2: for Alex Caruso and the bull said, now we'll take

486
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,399
Speaker 2: Josh Giddy instead. So they want him to be good.

487
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:37,639
Speaker 2: They want him to be fairly good. But all that

488
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 2: to be all that said, I don't think they're going

489
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 2: to extend him break here right now. Why not wait

490
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,680
Speaker 2: till next year before he's played a minute for him? Yeah, yeah,

491
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 2: I agree with you.

492
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,159
Speaker 3: This is what restricted free agency is for. Like Giddy

493
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 3: we saw with the Thunder had a nice regular season

494
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 3: last year actually, and then come playoff time, like everybody expected,

495
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 3: got played off the floor. Now, the Bulls are obviously

496
00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,640
Speaker 3: not in the position the Thunder are where they need

497
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 3: product from Giddy in a playoff setting right away, so

498
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,639
Speaker 3: they can take their time a little bit. But literally,

499
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,239
Speaker 3: they should make him play this season. See how he

500
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,920
Speaker 3: does handling the ball as more of a number one guy.

501
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 3: It's still kind of unclear who is the number one

502
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,119
Speaker 3: guy for Chicago right now. Maybe it will be Giddy,

503
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 3: but there's not a great free agency crop next season.

504
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 3: I don't know that teams are going to be clamoring

505
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 3: for Giddy, So it would be smart of the Bulls

506
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 3: to have him play out this season, go into a

507
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,160
Speaker 3: restrict a free agency, see what kind of deal he gets,

508
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,439
Speaker 3: and then they can match it going forward, because Giddy

509
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,159
Speaker 3: doesn't seem like the kind of player to me that

510
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,199
Speaker 3: some other teams like, oh, we're going to max this

511
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,439
Speaker 3: guy and make the Bulls do it, because then, I

512
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 3: mean hopefully hopefully the Balls would say, all right, he's

513
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 3: your max plat. I don't know if that's true. I

514
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:45,159
Speaker 3: do not know.

515
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 2: Right it sure seems like he's more of a lower

516
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,200
Speaker 2: salary type player. And in this new CBA world, it's

517
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,920
Speaker 2: either you're a Max or you're on the lower end.

518
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:57,920
Speaker 2: And there are some thirty milk guys, but there's fewer

519
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:02,679
Speaker 2: of them. There just seems to be a bigger spread

520
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 2: between salaries that are offered. And you just want to

521
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,680
Speaker 2: see what Josh Gitty is going to do to Kobe White,

522
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 2: who had a couple of great months last season and

523
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 2: he was the ball handler, and that's what Josh Gitty does.

524
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 2: So it is going to be different for Kobe White.

525
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 2: This old zach Lavine thing, which obviously he looks great,

526
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 2: He's talking a great games back. He's back, and we'll

527
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,640
Speaker 2: get to more bulls being back. But you just got

528
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 2: to see how it all shakes down with those guys.

529
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 2: It's not going to be perfect off the bat. Kobe

530
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:31,879
Speaker 2: White sounds is gonna be not gonna be as good.

531
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,640
Speaker 2: All that said, I mean, Josh Gay's gonna let it rip.

532
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 2: He's gonna do good things offensively. He's gonna do good

533
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,200
Speaker 2: things for social media. People will clip lots of good things,

534
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:42,879
Speaker 2: and they'll clip lots of bad things.

535
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 3: Yes, they will have already seen some of his underwhelming

536
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:50,200
Speaker 3: defense clips going around. You're never getting that from Jalen Suggs.

537
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 2: I never would have thought of that.

538
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:53,719
Speaker 3: But if you put Suggs and Giddy together as a player,

539
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 3: probably a pretty good player. Yeah, as long as you're

540
00:25:56,320 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 3: getting Suggs is shooting and defense and Giddy's body anyways,

541
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,159
Speaker 3: up with you. I think it's unlikely Giddy, well, it

542
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 3: should be unlikely that Giddy gets extended, but they might.

543
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:07,920
Speaker 3: They might extend him just because they did the trade

544
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 3: for him, Whereas I do think Suggs is kind of

545
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 3: part of that core group of the magic. Hopefully he

546
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 3: can shoot as well as he did last season, but

547
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 3: their roster is getting so expensive that they kind of

548
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,479
Speaker 3: should pay him right now before they get into all

549
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,119
Speaker 3: the other concerns that they're going to have.

550
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:27,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the Magic aren't putting stock into them like

551
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 2: attracting a free agent from outside of Orlando next season.

552
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,119
Speaker 2: They did with KCP and it worked. But I think

553
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 2: they're willing to say we're trying things out. As I said,

554
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 2: They're starting signer Wendell Carter who also gets injured, a

555
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:44,680
Speaker 2: bunch extended, Jonathan Isaac who's also got injured, a bunch extended.

556
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 2: So they're trying things out with what they got. So

557
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:52,679
Speaker 2: I think that's fine. Josh Giddy, he brought something up

558
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 2: made me think of something that he said recently on

559
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 2: The Athletic. He told Darnell Maybury. He said, listen, I'm

560
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 2: never going to be the shutdown defender that Alex Caruso is.

561
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 2: He's already he's already addressing things. I guess he saw

562
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 2: it on social media, people saying he ain't good as

563
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 2: good defensively as Oxcrew. So and he's addressing it right

564
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,160
Speaker 2: here right now. That's that was weird to me. Preseason,

565
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 2: You're talking about Alex Caruso, the guy got traded for. Yeah,

566
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:19,679
Speaker 2: it was a little bit of a Jabari Parker. They

567
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 2: don't play pay me to play defense?

568
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,679
Speaker 3: Come man, I thought, I was, like, what, I agree,

569
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,360
Speaker 3: I'm not expecting Giddy to be a Caruso like defender,

570
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:29,719
Speaker 3: but I would like to see him be more than

571
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,120
Speaker 3: a hardened level defender on that. A lot of people

572
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 3: are comparing these two guys as contract demands to Emmanuel Quickly,

573
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,439
Speaker 3: who signed an extension last year. I guess during the season, right,

574
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 3: he's making basically thirty five ments. I guess it was

575
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 3: the off season, but yeah, yeah, it might have been

576
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 3: during the playoffs. Yeah, yeah, right, so the Raptor season

577
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 3: was over. Yeah, so sure was. But uh, okay, then

578
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 3: start bench cutting me. Here, tasks Manuel Quickly. Jalen suggs

579
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 3: Josh Giddy.

580
00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 2: Well, it's easy to cut. That's that's the thing that

581
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 2: I always find. You're getting a haircut, the most important haircut. Yeah,

582
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 2: the most important thing is I ain't giddy about this. Sorry,

583
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 2: I gotta punt it again. And Josh has gone. Josh

584
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 2: has gone. The Quickly contract is very unique. It is

585
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 2: hoping for a good future with Emanuel Quickly.

586
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 3: We all do.

587
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,919
Speaker 2: He didn't play enough games with Barnes and Barrett to

588
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 2: say this is what we got here, and it's different

589
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:27,719
Speaker 2: for him going to the starting role. It is different,

590
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 2: and it didn't work with the Knicks all that much.

591
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,719
Speaker 2: So that's a really great one though, because it is

592
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 2: sort of like we were just talking quickly. A very

593
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 2: good defense, sorry, very good offensive player. Jalen Sugs obviously

594
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 2: the better defensive player, but.

595
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 3: I think I would go Sugs.

596
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 2: I think his offense is going to be better where

597
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 2: he doesn't have to take the other team's best defender,

598
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 2: excuse me, best offensive player automatically every single night because KCP.

599
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 3: Is beside him. So I think I'm suggsing, who are

600
00:28:55,520 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 3: you going? I'm with you. I would go Sugs quick giddy.

601
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 3: I do believe start bench cut, but man, these are

602
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 3: the kind of guys getting thirty to thirty five million

603
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 3: dollars right a year now questionable fourth and fifth starters.

604
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 3: I love it. I love Rockets. They got an interesting

605
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 3: choice to make today. Since both Alprin Schnggun and Jalen

606
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 3: Green were both drafted in twenty twenty one, they're both

607
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 3: eligible for extensions. According to Shams, both players want a

608
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 3: MAX extension, but a MAX offer isn't yet on the

609
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 3: table tests which Rocket is getting paid Alprin, shechng Gun

610
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 3: or Jalen Green What you got?

611
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 2: This is a fun one because the Rockets are so

612
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 2: deep and these guys are both extremely talented. I think

613
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 2: the Rockets would bank on Appler and she Gun to

614
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 2: be the guy rather than Jalen Green right here, right now.

615
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 2: Jalen Green had a fantastic month and a half. I

616
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 2: mean it was it was sort of a shorter term

617
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 2: in the second half of last season. It was fantastic.

618
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 2: But I think they're going to wait and see what

619
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 2: they got. Alprin chen Gun had a really good season

620
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 2: before he got in, and I think that bodes well

621
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 2: for the Rockets. Now, as I said, they got so

622
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 2: many guys, I think they do worry a little bit

623
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 2: about Sheng Gun and I'm and Thompson playing together, two

624
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 2: guys who don't shoot.

625
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 3: It's a little.

626
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 2: Ambidish and Ben Simmons ish. But they got so many guys,

627
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 2: then they're trying to figure things out. There's so much

628
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 2: talent on that team coming off the bench, so they're

629
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 2: figuring this whole season out. But I think the guy

630
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 2: you could bank moron is Alburn Shangun, so I could

631
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 2: see that happening.

632
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 3: I figure, right, I think it's more likely that Shen

633
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 3: Gun gets extended because the backups or the replacements for

634
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 3: Sheng Gun aren't necessarily the same as they are for

635
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 3: Jalen Green. With Fred van Vliet as the starting point guard,

636
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 3: Ben shep Reed Shepherd waiting in the wings, I just

637
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 3: think it's more likely that Sheng Guon is the guy

638
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 3: that they decide to go forward with, and Jalen Green,

639
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 3: to me, is another perfect candidate for a restricted free agency.

640
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 3: He's a guy I think could have suitors around the league.

641
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 3: You see his athleticism, the way he shoots the ball

642
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 3: from outside, and a couple of months he put together

643
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 3: at the end of last season. But this is a

644
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 3: team that's gonna have to make some pretty tough decisions

645
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 3: this season, into the offseason into next year because they

646
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 3: got so many young guys, they got expiring contracts coming up.

647
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 3: The new CBA really makes you think about signing a

648
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 3: third guy to a big deal or signing a questionable

649
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 3: player to a max contract, right, and I feel like

650
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 3: Jalen Green could easily fall into the zach Lavine like,

651
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 3: we have to pay him because we would lose him otherwise. However,

652
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 3: once we pay him, then nobody wants him. It can

653
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 3: be a tough dance, I think. So I would let

654
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 3: Dyalen Green get into restrictive free agency if they don't

655
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 3: move him sometime this season, see what he can get

656
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 3: in the off season, then match if they want to.

657
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 2: You're excited about alperh and she gun even even before

658
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 2: everybody else was.

659
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 3: You love the guy.

660
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 2: He broke down his videos here on No Dunks or

661
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 2: broke down his moves on No Dunks because yeah, he's

662
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 2: just so good. How much do you think LP's getting paid,

663
00:31:58,440 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 2: is it?

664
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 3: I mean, a max seems too much to me. I

665
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 3: don't know. Four four years, five years, two hundred million,

666
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,239
Speaker 3: forty million per season. That is a pay day. That's

667
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 3: a big payday. Two hundred sounds nice. In the press release,

668
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 3: I had to get a two hundred on there.

669
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 2: You're right, it's it's such a weird season for the

670
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 2: Rocks because I Mayridoka is the head coach, is going

671
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 2: to play all the old guys as much as possible.

672
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 3: That's what he does.

673
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 2: So he talks about Fred Van Vliet so much because

674
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 2: he's a veteran, and so I always wonder what these

675
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 2: backup guys like Reed Sheepherd, Cam Whitmore, Tarry Easton, who's

676
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 2: a bit of an older guy. They have so many

677
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 2: guys that are are going to be asking for minutes.

678
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 2: I'm in Thompson. I mentioned that guy is going to

679
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 2: be fantastic. So there's just there's a lot working there

680
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 2: and Imydoka just wants to play the old guys, and

681
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 2: so Raphael Stone in the front office just got to say,

682
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 2: we're dealing guys to make everybody happy. And they were

683
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 2: rumored last year, so it's probably going to happen at

684
00:32:59,320 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 2: some point.

685
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 3: They have so many guys. It was that nice what

686
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 3: you got we did there? Huh Yeah, we haven't done

687
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 3: that for a while. Good to bring it back. Sure, absolutely,

688
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 3: you broke a record. First guy to compare Alprin Shangun

689
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 3: and Amen Thompson to Joel and Beat and Ben Simmons. Yeah,

690
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 3: that's unfortunate. I can't believe it actually happened. Let's get

691
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 3: into the updown report. We got more topics. This is

692
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 3: a different segment where I tell you a news topic,

693
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 3: but only one at a time, one topic per time,

694
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 3: not two at a time. Aaron Gordon is eligible for

695
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 3: a four year, one hundred and fifty million dollars about

696
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 3: deal according to Brian Windhorst, but the Nuggets haven't yet

697
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 3: offered a deal to Gordon a max deal. The two

698
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 3: sides are still negotiating. So tasts are you up or

699
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 3: down on the Nuggets refusing to offer Aaron Gordon a

700
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 3: maximum deal.

701
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 2: I don't want to go max, but after losing, after

702
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 2: losing CASEB, they just have to sign him to a deal.

703
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 2: Because you said, this is just a one topic subject

704
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 2: here up down, But this is playing off of what

705
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 2: happened with KCP. He left Aaron Gordon, I do believe

706
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 2: is more valuable to the Nuggets. KCP is more replaceable

707
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 2: with Christian Brown, but Aaron Gordon is not replaceable.

708
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 3: And so it's so.

709
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 2: Interesting to give Jamal Murray the MAX after what he

710
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:25,760
Speaker 2: finished last season, as he wasn't Jamal Murray, he wasn't hisself.

711
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 3: But Aaron Gordon is so important. Him and Jokic are buds.

712
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 2: They have such a connection. I would hate to see

713
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 2: them say, Okay, you're gone. Peyton Watson is going to

714
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 2: replace you because you see Peyton Watson playing in the

715
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 2: Duncan spots and trying to be what Aaron Gordon was.

716
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:45,760
Speaker 2: But Erin Gordon's such a good defender. If there's any

717
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,879
Speaker 2: rollover from winning the championship, you need this guy.

718
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 3: You need Aaron Gordon.

719
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 2: So money wise, I think they were concerned a little

720
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 2: bit with KCP and how much he was going to

721
00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 2: get and hitting that second apron. So I'm sure worried

722
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 2: about Aaron Gordon with what they've given Joel Murray, but

723
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 2: they've given Yogic and what they've given Michael port Junior,

724
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 2: I got a monster, and so that could be the

725
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 2: one that they're regretting. But Calvin Booth had to make

726
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 2: a decision. Christian Brown's potential. Who's a damn good defender.

727
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 2: He's bigger than Ksep and I think he can be

728
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 2: when he's comfortable, a very good offensive player too. That's

729
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 2: replaceable this though, I wouldn't try it if you want

730
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 2: to keep the stand the championship. I was going to

731
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 2: call it a Stanley Cup for some reason. I got

732
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 2: a I don't know I got I got Stanley sippers

733
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 2: in my head. Those things are those things are like

734
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 2: winning a championship. It feels like if you have a Stanley.

735
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 3: Stanley's huge, man, why does everybody have one? You know

736
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 3: what I think is why everybody has them is because

737
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 3: they spill every time you pick him up. I can't

738
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 3: believe this is the most popular water bottle on Earth

739
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 3: right now, and every time you pick it up, it

740
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 3: leaks out on the top. Yeah, Ila has one spilled

741
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 3: every single morning, even if she has her Panda top run.

742
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 3: It doesn't make any sense, doesn't make any sense, but

743
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 3: it is half. It's nice to lift it in the

744
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 3: morning and act like you just won. Look at Stanley Cup,

745
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,280
Speaker 3: but you know the Colorado Avalanche, they've won a Stanley Cupp.

746
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 3: Nathan McKinnon and Cole mccarr are those they're guys I think, so, oh,

747
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 3: you're going deep. You got to lock those two in.

748
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 3: You got to keep your big two together. And that's

749
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 3: what the Nuggets did.

750
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 1: Wow.

751
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 3: You like how I bring that one back around. Jokic

752
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 3: and Murray they're still there.

753
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 2: They're Nayton Cole, They're Natan Cole.

754
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 3: Whoever those guys, whoever those guys are, I don't know

755
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 3: who the Michael Porter Junior of the Avalanches, right, but

756
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 3: it is a problem that he's on this roster. They

757
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,720
Speaker 3: gave him his big deal before the twenty twenty two season.

758
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 3: We fast forward a couple of years later, the CBA

759
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 3: rules have changed, and now it becomes tough for the

760
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 3: Nuggets to do what they really should do, which is

761
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 3: bring back Aaron Gordon at a deal that he's comfortable with,

762
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 3: because they really can't have four MAX guys on the

763
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 3: team and expect to field a competitive five through nine roster.

764
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 3: It just doesn't make sense. But they need Aaron Gordon back,

765
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 3: and they need him much more than any need Michael

766
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,800
Speaker 3: Porter Junior. So it would be great for the Nuggets.

767
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,800
Speaker 3: If MBJ comes out has a strong start to the season,

768
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 3: maybe they're able to do some sort of move there.

769
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 3: But it's tough for Aaron Gordon, Like I'm like, you

770
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 3: should probably get a MAX for the value you bring offensively,

771
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 3: but more so defensively. He's their guy who guards the

772
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 3: big wings, who guards the Lebrons, the Kevin Durantz, Jason

773
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 3: Tatum when they get into the NBA Finals, if that

774
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 3: were to happen. But it's kind of cost prohibitive, prohibitive

775
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 3: for him to actually come back. So it's going to

776
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 3: be interesting to see what the Nuggets do. Maybe they

777
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:34,879
Speaker 3: just pay it and say, hey, we got to figure

778
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,800
Speaker 3: out the trade later, even if we're dumping Michael Porter Junior.

779
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 3: But yeah, something to watch. That would be a big

780
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 3: name to hit free agency next season.

781
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:46,439
Speaker 2: And I suppose front office could say, hey, he is

782
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 2: on the other side of thirty. If there's anybody who's

783
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,720
Speaker 2: getting older, you know, it'll be thirty two at that point.

784
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 2: I do believe, so maybe there's that. I just say

785
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 2: it all that unexcitedly because I want to see at

786
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 2: least team try and get a second championship. We're here

787
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 2: in the NBA where teams don't repeat very often. It

788
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 2: hasn't been since that you know, the Durant and Curry Warriors,

789
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 2: that the team's repeated, and obviously the Nuggets can't repeat.

790
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 2: They didn't win, but it's gonna be tough. They haven't

791
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 2: won since twenty three. I'm not sure when the Avalanche one.

792
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 2: I guess it was around twenty two.

793
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:22,760
Speaker 3: It could be the defending champions.

794
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 2: I don't know where is it that I thought I

795
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 2: knew that sport. But if they want to get back there,

796
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 2: they need Aaron Gordon back, he's just so good. I

797
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 2: just bring up the Peyton Watson replacement of him because

798
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 2: you can see it in a similar way to Christian

799
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 2: Brown replacing casep although Christian Brown has done a heck

800
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 2: of a lot more in the playoffs than Peyton Watson has.

801
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 2: But Peyton Watson's just a damn good defender. He doesn't

802
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 2: have the offensive ability that Aaron Gordon does. But I

803
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 2: see these highlights of him playing in the dunker spot

804
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 2: where in Gordon gets those passes from yok They had

805
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 2: such a chemistry. Have it's half, it's current. They have

806
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 2: such a chemistry Jokic along with Aaron Gordon.

807
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:08,280
Speaker 3: It's the past.

808
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 2: We can start talking about Jamal Murray's contract. That guy

809
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,720
Speaker 2: hasn't looked good in a while, so that's the concern. Really,

810
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 2: as long as Jamal Murray plays like a MAX player,

811
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 2: then they're good. Yeah, they're very good, man.

812
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 3: The playoffs. The playoffs really just color everybody's opinion on

813
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 3: how things happen, because you go back and look at it,

814
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 3: you're like, wait a second, Jamal Murray had his best

815
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,280
Speaker 3: season of his career from a scoring and shooting perspective,

816
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 3: Wait a second, they won more games than the year

817
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 3: they won the championship. The Nuggets did. Yeah, but it

818
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 3: feels like such a disappointment because they blew a twenty

819
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 3: point lead in the fourth quarter of a game seven.

820
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it does, it does, it does.

821
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

822
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 2: I mean, and Jamal Murray missed a good chunk of

823
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 2: the regular season and they still were good without him.

824
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 2: As you said, they won fifty seven games. I'm not mistaken.

825
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 2: That's that's a lot of wins. But yeah, the playoffs matter,

826
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 2: especially with Jamal Murray. Especially with Jamal Murray because the

827
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 2: guy who hasn't made an All Star Game, but he

828
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 2: gets max contract because he turns it on in the playoffs.

829
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 2: He's even better in the postseason. So's see that again, Denver.

830
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 2: I will be hoisting a stan Lee that's not a

831
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 2: Stanley Cup in your honor if it happens.

832
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 3: I don't have one. Apparently the Florida Panthers are the

833
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 3: most recent.

834
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 2: Stanley stack zippers.

835
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 3: I knew that Matthew could Chuck and Jason Tatum high

836
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,879
Speaker 3: school classmates. They both won a championships in the same year.

837
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 3: I remember that storyline.

838
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 2: Could Chuck left my Calgary Flames because he wanted to

839
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 2: go win and he did in Florida. My Calgary Flames,

840
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 2: I don't own them.

841
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 3: It's been a while since they've lifted the Stanley Cup,

842
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 3: isn't it. Yeah. I mean they're a Canadian team. I

843
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:38,240
Speaker 3: know it's been a while. Maybe maybe, yeah, maybe. Anyways,

844
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 3: another twenty twenty one draft guy, the Warriors, Jonathan Kaminga,

845
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 3: also wants a big contract, but Shoums is reporting that

846
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 3: the two sides are quote far apart on a deal taster.

847
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 3: Are you up or down on the Warriors extending Jonathan

848
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 3: Kaminga today, I suppose.

849
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:55,280
Speaker 2: But you extend them absolutely. I think the the camp

850
00:40:55,400 --> 00:41:00,839
Speaker 2: of the Warriors and Cominga's camp are baiting the number,

851
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 2: and Kaminga wants a heck of a lot more than

852
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,760
Speaker 2: the Warriors want to give, and that makes sense. Kamiga

853
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 2: shouldn't get the max. Although it's fun to talk about,

854
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 2: he hasn't been an incredible player, So yeah, they have

855
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 2: to find a number. If we're talking about these thirty

856
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:19,720
Speaker 2: MILLI numbers for Jonathan Kaminga, I could see it happening

857
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:23,359
Speaker 2: around there because you're paying for potential with jonath Minga,

858
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:28,280
Speaker 2: not what he's done, but the future and that's that's

859
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 2: worth it on both sides. I do believe because Kaminga

860
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 2: is a really good player, but you can't say, as

861
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:38,240
Speaker 2: the front officer of the Golden State Warriors, we're giving

862
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 2: this guy the MAX.

863
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 3: It doesn't make sense.

864
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 2: They're still trying to find a way to support Stephen

865
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 2: Curry and give him one more shot.

866
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 3: And I do appreciate that.

867
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 2: I do like watching that, and they've done good to

868
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 2: have a bunch of supporting guys around Steph Crey. I

869
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 2: think this team is solid around him. The great thing

870
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,720
Speaker 2: about all the guys that they signed, they could package

871
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,320
Speaker 2: those eyes and go get a MAX player or somebody

872
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 2: like they tried to get. They tried to get lowry marketing,

873
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 2: they tried to get Paul George. So I I all

874
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 2: that to be said. All that's a John Thainkaminga is

875
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 2: a damn good player, but he's not a MAX player.

876
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 2: He shouldn't be a MAXX.

877
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 3: Oh definitely not.

878
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 4: No.

879
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I actually don't think the Warriors will extend him

880
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 3: just because the entirety of his tenure there in Golden State.

881
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 3: It feels like the Warriors aren't totally convinced of his

882
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 3: fit with the team. You know we talked about with

883
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 3: Klay Thompson. The Warriors are a ball movement system, quick reads,

884
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 3: quick decisions. Everybody touches the ball. Kaminga is definitely more

885
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 3: of a deliberate player, more of an ISO player. Sometimes

886
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 3: the Warriors need that somebody else who can get to

887
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 3: the rim play some bullyball, but it's not always in

888
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 3: harmony with what they prefer to do, giving the ball up,

889
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 3: getting it back, switching side to side, that kind of stuff.

890
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 3: Cominga can be a bit of a black hole, which

891
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 3: I think is helpful at times. But he's also the guy.

892
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:58,240
Speaker 3: He's twenty two years old. He's still a young player.

893
00:42:58,520 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 3: Last year he had to go to the media and

894
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:01,879
Speaker 3: base say I should be playing more. Steve Kerr played

895
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 3: a more. He produced, but it felt like kind of

896
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 3: rubbingy and Steve's Kerr's face, you know, He's like, you

897
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:10,359
Speaker 3: were playing me, but look how good I am now.

898
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 3: I don't know that. I think Kaminga is a long

899
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 3: term Warrior. He seems another guy that like would be

900
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 3: perfect for restricted free agency. I think a team would

901
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 3: probably pay him. Some other team I don't know, like

902
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 3: a Detroit would love to bring in a talent like

903
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 3: that or something. But I wouldn't be surprised if Kaminga

904
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:31,879
Speaker 3: stays unsigned into the season and they get him into

905
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 3: restricted free agency. You're even using as trade bait because

906
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 3: it gets a little bit harder to trade him once

907
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 3: he signs an extension. But the Warriors did get one

908
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 3: deal done Moses Moody and the Warriors Moody also at

909
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 3: twenty twenty one Drafty, they agreed to a three year,

910
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:49,320
Speaker 3: thirty nine million dollar extension. You like this deal, Tassy,

911
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 3: I do.

912
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 2: And it's funny because Moses's Moody has not been a

913
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 2: lock to the rotation ever as a member of the

914
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 2: Golden State Warriors.

915
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 3: But he's a talented player. He can shoot it.

916
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 2: Apparently Steve Kerr has been talking to him, or Anthony

917
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 2: Slater reported that you go into the practice and Steve

918
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:11,760
Speaker 2: Kerr's there one on one with him at talking about

919
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,760
Speaker 2: releasing that three point shot. Faster do it, and apparently

920
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 2: he is. Apparently it's happening. He's just he's very talented guy.

921
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 2: And again that thirteen million dollars now in this scenario

922
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 2: is funny because of where we are with NBA salaries.

923
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 2: This guy has not been part of a rotation. But

924
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 2: he's making thirteen million dollars for the next three seasons,

925
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 2: and that's good. That's good money because you can trade

926
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 2: it as combined with I don't know, a Heel that

927
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 2: they have or a Kyle Anderson or d Anthony Melton

928
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 2: or a Kaminga. They can package those guys for a

929
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 2: bigger player. But he can also play. And so there's

930
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 2: just a.

931
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:50,240
Speaker 3: Lot of guys.

932
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:54,359
Speaker 2: Now with the Warriors, it's little rockets like where they

933
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 2: have so many guys and not enough minutes to go around.

934
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,879
Speaker 2: So that's the interesting thing about Moses Moody. He ain't

935
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,800
Speaker 2: guaranteed to be playing with the Rocket or excuse me,

936
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 2: the Warriors night in, night out, and that's just the

937
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 2: way the rotation goes. But he seems like.

938
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 3: I'm like, this seems like a good deal for a

939
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 3: good player. But then you read Anthony Slater's article over

940
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 3: at the Athletic and it mentions, yeah, he's probably still

941
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:21,240
Speaker 3: the ninth or tenth man because he's battling for minutes

942
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 3: with all the guys you mentioned, Kamingo, Wiggins, Buddy Heal, Pods,

943
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 3: d Anthony Melton, Gary Payton. The second he's still there,

944
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,240
Speaker 3: like there's a lot of guys that Moody needs to jump.

945
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 3: He hasn't been able to stick in a Steve Kerr rotation.

946
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 3: I would just like to see him play a little

947
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 3: more because it feels like he's good. It feels like

948
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 3: when they've called his number in big leverage situations, he's produced.

949
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:44,760
Speaker 3: But for whatever reason, he's always having a battle for minutes.

950
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 3: And then they brought in what another two three wings

951
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 3: this summer.

952
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 2: I don't know.

953
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 3: It just seems like he gets squeezed a little bit,

954
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:55,320
Speaker 3: But I don't know. I think another team would be

955
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 3: smart to try and trade for Moody down the line

956
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 3: if he can't become a rotation guy for the Warriors

957
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 3: just because of the numbers scrunch.

958
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm sure the Golden State Warriors will be

959
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 2: looking at acquiring a big name player throughout this postseason

960
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 2: or throughout this regular season, because that's what they did

961
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 2: for Steph and signing him to an extension. They basically

962
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 2: promised him another shot at the championship, and so this team.

963
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 2: As much as I am a Warrior lover, as our

964
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 2: stream teamers like to say and our YouTube commenters like

965
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 2: to say, that's true. I am not saying they are

966
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 2: a championship team, but I do think they're solid, and

967
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 2: they aren't. They aren't yet a championship contender. We didn't

968
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 2: have them in that tier, not even close. I think

969
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 2: they are a playoff lock. I do think as the

970
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 2: forty six and thirty six team win last winning team

971
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 2: last year. I think Draymond Green will play more and

972
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 2: they have just have signed a bunch of good players,

973
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 2: but they want to go get a really, really good one.

974
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, one team in the middle of the West is

975
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 3: going to pop. One team is going to disappoint. Which

976
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 3: one will it be? Maybe the pop, maybe the disappoint.

977
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 3: The only time will tell. A Bull is back. Last week,

978
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 3: Lonzo Ball played his first game since January twenty twenty two. Wonderful.

979
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 3: It's only the preseason task, but in fifteen minutes, Alonzo

980
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 3: went for ten points, three rebounds, and three or cysts.

981
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 3: Up or down on Lonzo Ball's return to the Bulls.

982
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:21,359
Speaker 2: Well, I love it, and I can't wait to hear

983
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 2: you talk about it, you guys. I guess I'm a

984
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 2: fan of the moment and I have forgotten how good

985
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 2: this guy is. He's just a really talented ball handler,

986
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 2: obviously passer, and the shot is going down. It is

987
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:40,280
Speaker 2: unfortunate that he has a minute's restriction of sixteen minutes,

988
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 2: because that's what his body is restricting him to play.

989
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 2: But to get that replacement in your knee, which has

990
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:51,280
Speaker 2: never been done by an athlete in professional sports history.

991
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 2: From reading Evan Sidery's comment on it, it's awesome in general.

992
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 3: That's it. Yeah, just cool to see Lonzo playing on

993
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 3: the court again. I saw the House of Highlights called

994
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 3: his return solid in the Hall Cats. Usually it's like sick, dual,

995
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 3: exquisite play, intoxicating action. Lonzo just got a straight up

996
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 3: solid He was solid out there, and he was It

997
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 3: was his first game in one thousand and six days.

998
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 3: Like you said, he shot the ball pretty well. It's

999
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 3: funny to think about Mikhale Bridges and him trying to

1000
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 3: fix his hitch. Lonzo is a guy who came into

1001
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:31,839
Speaker 3: the league with a hitch. He shoots completely different. It

1002
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 3: goes in now. He's still a super smart player, so

1003
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 3: he passes the ball well, He's controlling the pace, never

1004
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 3: in the lane like Lonzo was rarely in the lane

1005
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 3: in this game. So to me, I'm watching it, watching

1006
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 3: the highlights back. He plays exactly like old Jason Kidd,

1007
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 3: as in Jason Kidd when he came back to the

1008
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 3: Mavericks even his time with the Knicks, where it's like,

1009
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,879
Speaker 3: you can knock down open three pointers just like Jason

1010
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 3: Kidd did, and you're gonna make super smart passes from

1011
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 3: the perimeter, moving the around, getting the ball to the

1012
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 3: right guy. I like to see him hooking Zach Levine

1013
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 3: up for some layups and made me transport back to

1014
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:08,240
Speaker 3: twenty twenty one when they were running the full court breaks.

1015
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 3: Oh great stuff tasks.

1016
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, the uh you see him obviously, he just dribbles up,

1017
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 2: he gets to the corner. That's where he shoots it

1018
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 2: from that.

1019
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 3: I get you.

1020
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:17,319
Speaker 2: I just had a flashback. Yeah, Jason Kid, that's where

1021
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:20,839
Speaker 2: he shot his shruts from the corner. It is hilarious though.

1022
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 2: How the people in the media now, they've got to

1023
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 2: say something. It's fantastic, that's amazing. That's great because you

1024
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:28,879
Speaker 2: even heard it with Adam Amin, the great great play

1025
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 2: by play guy of the Chicago Bulls say, Lonzo Paul

1026
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 2: dove into the crowd and I saw the headline and

1027
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:40,359
Speaker 2: I clicked he didn't dive into the crowd, and the

1028
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 2: ball was kind of going out of bounds and he

1029
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 2: grabbed it and he made it beautiful behind the back pass,

1030
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 2: but he stopped. He was able to stop before running

1031
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 2: into the bench. So everybody, just everybody's got to be

1032
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 2: a little bit more extreme. We haven't gotten to that

1033
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:58,280
Speaker 2: point yet. I don't think as a as that media

1034
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 2: company or whatever we are, you know, haven't gone all

1035
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 2: the way.

1036
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 3: Like we get excited, for sure, but we don't. You're

1037
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 3: saying that every over emphasizing things, so over selling them. Yeah,

1038
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:10,359
Speaker 3: I think I'm okay saying that. We don't oversell it.

1039
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 3: And that's why people like us because we're somewhat realistic.

1040
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:16,879
Speaker 3: You know, sometimes we do sometimes.

1041
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 2: We do want to make the Instagram or YouTube highlights

1042
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 2: or whatever.

1043
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 3: But anyway, yet you think we should start drop dropping

1044
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:28,919
Speaker 3: tast Mellis visceraates Dallas Mavericks, great word things like that.

1045
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 3: I agree with you. I like this solid return, solid man.

1046
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 3: He was just solid. If a guy has eleven three

1047
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 3: and three, you can't do much more than give him solid, right,

1048
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:40,879
Speaker 3: You're like, whoa check it out. But it was cool

1049
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:44,959
Speaker 3: to see Lonzo ball. He's playing again sixteen minutes per game.

1050
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 3: Maybe that's fine because the Bulls have a lot of

1051
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 3: guys who handle the ball and he's another one. That's

1052
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:50,399
Speaker 3: a good point. But it would be cool to see

1053
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:52,320
Speaker 3: him come back and be like, you know, Sean Livingston

1054
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:53,839
Speaker 3: was out of the league for a long time dealing

1055
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 3: with his injuries, came back, extended his career. So cool

1056
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 3: that Lonzo is back. Fun article from Joe Vartin at

1057
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 3: they have on JB. Bickerstaff working to change the culture

1058
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 3: in Detroit and one of his big changes nowhere in

1059
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 3: hoodies in practice to clarify tasks. You can wear a hoodie,

1060
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 3: but you better have it on your shoulders and not

1061
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 3: on your head. Well, bicker Staff just the last shred

1062
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 3: of that old school mentality growing up with my dad,

1063
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 3: longtime NBA coach Bernie Bickerstaff. You don't wear anything on

1064
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 3: your head during the game. You don't wear jewelry. You

1065
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 3: practice how you play. Are you up or down on

1066
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 3: the pistons banning hoodies in practice? I am up on it.

1067
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 2: I am up on it because it is more about

1068
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 2: the routine, the discipline, working hard. So that gets that

1069
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 2: point across to all the players. The Detroit Pistons organization

1070
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 2: has been laughable unfortunately the last few years.

1071
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:53,279
Speaker 3: But JB.

1072
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:56,800
Speaker 2: Bickerstaff wants to just say, hey, this is about hard work.

1073
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 2: That's all he's saying. That's all he's saying. He's not

1074
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 2: banning the hoodie, just can't wear it. It's more I

1075
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 2: think just a you know, a mental trigger. This is

1076
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 2: what we have to do. My name is JB. Bickerstaff.

1077
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 2: The B stands for business.

1078
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 3: That's it. That's it. Yeah.

1079
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 2: I don't know if he's going to say that, but

1080
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 2: that would would.

1081
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 3: Be an awesome first speech to the team. Yeah, you

1082
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 3: come in, my name is J. B. Bickerstaff. Just business.

1083
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 3: Take your hood off, kde Oh yeah, just that's good. Yeah,

1084
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 3: justin work. You know, very great team. We're the shng

1085
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:32,799
Speaker 3: Goon and Thompson of today's podcast. We can't shoot.

1086
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 2: Sometimes yeah sometimes true. Yeah, Shank, you can shoot a

1087
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 2: little bit. You're the big guy. You can do it.

1088
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think that's totally fine for mister J. B.

1089
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:46,239
Speaker 2: Bickerstaff to come in here and to create some headlines

1090
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 2: for your Bleacher Reports or whoever you know that's they

1091
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:52,360
Speaker 2: can take our just business, bicker.

1092
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 3: Staff, just business.

1093
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's what this headline should be from Joe Harden.

1094
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 2: Just change it. It's all about bicker Staff just want

1095
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 2: to just being a fit. I didn't know that he was.

1096
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:06,400
Speaker 2: He allows the hoodie to just be a hook. You

1097
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 2: can let it flap, you can let it flap. You

1098
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 2: just can't wear it on your head cape.

1099
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, he said, crew necks are fine. Is this is

1100
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:15,720
Speaker 3: good for now? You got us at the culture early.

1101
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 3: I'd kind of forgotten that the Calves were in such

1102
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 3: a bad spot when JB. Bickerstaff became the coach and

1103
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 3: he got them back to a respectable spot. So it's

1104
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:27,839
Speaker 3: kind of Scott skilesy to me. The problem is that

1105
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 3: if the team sucks again this year, if they've got

1106
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 3: ten wins in March, we're saying, uh, maybe they should

1107
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 3: be wearing the hoodies. You know, it becomes a joke

1108
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:38,800
Speaker 3: if the team stays bad. But if you're increasing the

1109
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 3: professionalism whatever, then if you're just sending signals like, hey,

1110
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 3: we're taking things a little bit more serious this year,

1111
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:47,360
Speaker 3: we're trying to do the things that win. We're trying

1112
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:50,959
Speaker 3: to become a normal basketball team. So it's a great

1113
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 3: October story, but it can become a joke if things

1114
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:57,919
Speaker 3: go poorly. I'm thinking of Ben Wallace not being able

1115
00:53:57,920 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 3: to wear a headband for the Bulls. I'm thinking of

1116
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:03,360
Speaker 3: Jim Boyle and putting a punch clock outside of the

1117
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 3: practice facility for the Chicago Bulls. That's cute in October, yeah,

1118
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 3: but in December when the team is bad, do you

1119
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 3: like those things being out? Not always, but whatever. I

1120
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 3: think the Pistons will be better this year, even if

1121
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 3: their heads are colder.

1122
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Pistons. Seriously, they've been laughable. Yeah, there is

1123
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 2: one organization where if you watch any sort of commentary

1124
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 2: from former players, even they're always laughing about the Pistons.

1125
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 2: It was since the was it John Schuster? You know

1126
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 2: that they walked out of his practice on it was Shuster?

1127
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 3: I mean was seeing is it John? Is there a

1128
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 3: John Schuster? A former Detroit head coach? But I do

1129
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:44,839
Speaker 3: know that JB.

1130
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 2: Bickerstaff replaces another JB in John Bline. That was that

1131
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 2: was a little bit of a tumultuous run for him.

1132
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 2: That was the words that he said were not cool,

1133
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:01,759
Speaker 2: and so he was exited, uh, done and done. John

1134
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 2: Bee lion out of the Cavs job.

1135
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:04,320
Speaker 3: So JB.

1136
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:07,840
Speaker 2: Took over way back, and they're just looking for something

1137
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 2: solid in Detroit because it hasn't been good since Shuster.

1138
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:16,839
Speaker 3: Well, I forget it. I think it's Custer. Damn.

1139
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:20,479
Speaker 2: I think that's what you're saying, John Custer, Custer. That's

1140
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 2: that was a big mistake.

1141
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:27,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're convincing, confusing him with Canadian hero Joe Schuster. No,

1142
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:33,720
Speaker 3: creator of Superman, namesake of a street by a soccer field.

1143
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:38,439
Speaker 3: Oh Custer, John Custer sees a John B. Lion type.

1144
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 3: He was there for just a little bit. Schuster.

1145
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:44,840
Speaker 2: Thank you for the Canadian shout out. I don't know

1146
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:46,320
Speaker 2: if it was trying shan.

1147
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 3: Isn't that what you call him? Who? Canadian heritage moments?

1148
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:53,839
Speaker 3: Can you say something famous from Canadian history? Absolutely? Thank you,

1149
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 3: Thank you, Peach Baskets and and all that. Yeah. Man,

1150
00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:01,720
Speaker 3: you guys got basketball and Superman. I guess that's amazing.

1151
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 3: That's amazing. Okay, So that's all I've got for topics tasks. Yeah,

1152
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:11,280
Speaker 3: but I heard you and Skeets were answering these burning

1153
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:15,280
Speaker 3: questions last week, so I've got my rapid fire answers

1154
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 3: to the questions. Okay, corect most likely to make their

1155
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 3: first All Star Game. I'm with young Wemby. Yeah, I mean,

1156
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 3: come on, will he start is the question? If anybody

1157
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 3: I think he could pass Jokic seems weird, but Luca

1158
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 3: fan favorite, Lebron fan favorite for twenty years. Maybe that

1159
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:33,399
Speaker 3: third spot is open if people are Wemby pilled.

1160
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 2: We shall see, Yeah, we shall see. Also, the West

1161
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 2: is tough, so West is top tough.

1162
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:40,359
Speaker 3: Definitely for first player to score fifty points in a game.

1163
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 3: John Morant, I'm.

1164
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 2: Back, yeah, nice, Sure he could easily.

1165
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 3: Star player under the most pressure this season. Jimmy Butler interesting,

1166
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 3: I'm in on the heat this season, but Jimmy Butler

1167
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:54,239
Speaker 3: is playing in a contract year. He got called out

1168
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 3: by pat Riley, So you put up or shut up,

1169
00:56:57,560 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 3: is what I say. Jimmy Butler, which off the radar

1170
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 3: player will make a big impact this season? Give me

1171
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:05,399
Speaker 3: Derek Jones Junior. I think we've talked a lot more

1172
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:08,720
Speaker 3: about the MAVs losing Derek Jones Junior than the Clippers

1173
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:11,800
Speaker 3: actually getting him. Kawhi Leonard might be missing time this season,

1174
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 3: will certainly be resting some back to backs. He's still

1175
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 3: unknown if he's going to start the season, so I

1176
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:18,920
Speaker 3: think there will be an opportunity for Derek Jones Junior,

1177
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 3: and he played pretty well next to Luca, who plays

1178
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 3: very similarly to James Harden, who will be running the show.

1179
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 3: There we Go. Lottery team from twenty three twenty four

1180
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:29,439
Speaker 3: best chance of making the playoffs the Grizzlies. They didn't

1181
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:32,440
Speaker 3: really feel like a lottery team. They got injured up. Yeah, no,

1182
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 3: that's a good pat though they can do it. Team

1183
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:38,440
Speaker 3: most likely to disappoint everyone. I got the Suns. I

1184
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 3: have the Sons over. I think that they're a team

1185
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 3: that I would even consider elevating to the championship contender stratosphere.

1186
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 3: But then I also think back they're real changes are

1187
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 3: They brought in a couple of backup point guards and

1188
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 3: Tias Jones and Monte Morris, and they're still a team

1189
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 3: that could get hurt. They still got their big three

1190
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 3: in Booker, Beal and Durant. We know that Beal and

1191
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 3: Durant miss some time. Not a paragon of health though

1192
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 3: he was last season. And also they got swept out

1193
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 3: of the playoffs. But all of us sickos watched the Olympics.

1194
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 3: So now we're one hundred percent in on the Suns

1195
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 3: because we love what Devin Booker was doing. We love

1196
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 3: what Kevin Durant was doing. It could go poorly, is

1197
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 3: all I'm saying. That's a good point now. Lots of

1198
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 3: injuries there for sure. Final one. Which key player will

1199
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 3: be traded first?

1200
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:20,920
Speaker 2: Zach Lavine? Oh, who's taken?

1201
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the problem. Gotta have a slow start for

1202
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 3: the Lakers. I believe would be the key there. It's

1203
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 3: always the Lakers. Hopefully we got an early season trade,

1204
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 3: though they don't have been to all that often. James

1205
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 3: Harden was a big one. I'm trying to remember who else.

1206
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 3: James Harden again was a big one. I guess it

1207
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 3: happened a couple of times with this guy Houston and

1208
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 3: Brooke or Houston and Philadelphia, and then I guess the

1209
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 3: brandon Ingram question is still to be questioned. But those

1210
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 3: are my answers. You got to give a great podcast.

1211
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 3: I really enjoyed listening to it.

1212
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 2: I thought O jan Anobi was early, but that was

1213
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 2: December thirtieth that he was trater that early enough.

1214
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 3: I agree, before the new year good one. I agree. Yeah,

1215
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 3: you got anything else? No want to just hop on

1216
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 3: Twitter and see if anybody's signed an extension.

1217
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, we should just wait it out Jalen Green.

1218
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 3: I mean that is kind of surprising that the number

1219
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 3: two pick doesn't have his extension because Jalen Green was

1220
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 3: drafted very high.

1221
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 2: This is a fair point. I know, yes, And you

1222
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:19,160
Speaker 2: look back and it's easy to say the guy was

1223
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 2: amazing last year.

1224
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 3: It wasn't the whole year. It wasn't the whole year.

1225
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 2: But they're making the smart move and trying to figure

1226
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 2: out what they have because they have a lot of

1227
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 2: talented dudes, a lot of talented dudes. People didn't pick

1228
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:37,080
Speaker 2: Cam whitmore so they got him at twenty, they got

1229
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 2: whatever that So they have lots of they have decisions

1230
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 2: to make, and I think that's the smart thing to do.

1231
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:45,040
Speaker 2: Got to wait it out here and make sure Shangkon's healthy.

1232
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 3: I guess also true. They did none of the last season.

1233
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 3: It was on the bench.

1234
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 2: Lots of things, lots of things to watch. The boys

1235
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 2: are back though, absolutely five days a week. We'll be

1236
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 2: here tomorrow Tuesday. NBA season starts until night time, not

1237
00:59:58,960 --> 00:59:59,520
Speaker 2: untill night time.

1238
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 3: I figure something to talk about. We will those extensions

1239
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:05,200
Speaker 3: will come in. Yeah, that's two part episode. Watch today's

1240
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 3: watch tomorrow. It's done and done. See if we're smarter idiots?

1241
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:10,000
Speaker 3: What do you think? What you got?

1242
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 2: Smarter brilliant idiots?

1243
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:16,040
Speaker 3: So you want to you want to take idiots, it'd

1244
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:20,440
Speaker 3: be pleasantly surprised if they're smart. Guys, Clipper bros, you.

1245
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 1: Heard it here first, have a great time, turn up,

1246
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:24,320
Speaker 1: love you guys awesome.

1247
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:26,480
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, and remember, if you want to

1248
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 2: get in on fantasy basketball, you better have your draft now.

1249
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 3: You don't have many hours.

1250
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 2: You did a draft yesterday, I did. I stayed up late.

1251
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 2: My wife was mad. I picked Kawhi Leonard.

1252
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 3: Aha. It was late, but Kawhi Leonard.

1253
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 2: Was around till the twelfth round I think or eleventh round.

1254
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:47,280
Speaker 3: Okay, I did that late. I'm excited. Even if he

1255
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 3: plays sixty games, you're loving it. Yeah, sixty.

1256
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:53,160
Speaker 2: Who was your first song for Anthony Davis? I was

1257
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:55,960
Speaker 2: last in the first round and I had a sneaker.

1258
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:59,040
Speaker 3: So back to back picks Anthony.

1259
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:00,560
Speaker 2: Davis and Tree Young Huh.

1260
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 3: I'm excited excited for Trey. Imagine them together on the Lakers.

1261
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:08,040
Speaker 3: Man that great point. Give us Austin Reeves here in Atlanta.

1262
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:11,720
Speaker 3: We want to see those two reunited on Tassa's fantasy team,

1263
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:15,000
Speaker 3: but we're back tomorrow. Skeets is back as well. Take

1264
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 3: it easy, hot and cheesy.