1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: This is the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: with our radio. Hey guys, and welcome to the Almost 3 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 1: Famous Podcast. It's the finale recap episode. Oh my goodness 4 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:18,119 Speaker 1: is right. Wow. I've never been so heart working for 5 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: a runner up in my life. So there's there's man 6 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:25,599 Speaker 1: tears all across the US last night, just men and 7 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: women crying for Brandon or guy. Um, do you have 8 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: anything to like? Any life updates before we jump into 9 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:38,240 Speaker 1: the pod, like the recap, I mean the big stuff 10 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: right now is obviously the holidays are coming up. When 11 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: we've got to we've got to take a second. Just 12 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 1: wish everybody the best family time, friend time. If you're 13 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: stuck at home, uh and you're just hanging out because 14 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: of for whatever reasons this year, I hope you can 15 00:00:56,880 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: find some joy in that, some celebration that the culture 16 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: on a Christmas So you can watch him and I 17 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 1: got a tattoo last night. That's a big deal. That 18 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 1: is a big family update. Why didn't I write that down? 19 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 1: So your your husband L O L. Your dad has 20 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 1: been married for thirty eight years, okay, but he's never 21 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: worn a ring. I'm like, okay, don't tell your dad. 22 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 1: But I'm not down for that. Okay, I like it 23 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 1: when a man wears a wedding ring. I get it. 24 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 1: I do. Uh yeah, you know he has these like 25 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:33,839 Speaker 1: little like you know the people that have like little 26 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 1: sausage fingers. Well, he's got that. He's got a weird knuckle, 27 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:39,960 Speaker 1: and I have never known him to wear a ring. 28 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 1: And I've also never known a man who loves his 29 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 1: wife more. And so after a while, I honestly just 30 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 1: think my mom was like whatever, Like I'm it's not 31 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: even an issue to argue with this because I'd like 32 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: he I know she would like she just needs it's cool. Um. 33 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 1: But after thirty eight years, you know, some things go 34 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 1: out the window and just kind of get And so 35 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 1: I don't like the idea of a ring, not because 36 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 1: I don't like the idea of a symbol wearing. I 37 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 1: get really like fidgety with rings. I've never been a 38 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: little wear a ring. I've never been like fine, I 39 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 1: always take it off, I flip it. I would get 40 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: super nervous of losing it. And so I always knew 41 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: I want to get a tattoo. Even when Jess and 42 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 1: I started dating, I was like, I would like to 43 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: get a ring tattoo, and then I have a ring 44 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 1: to wear on special occasions. And then I thought, well, 45 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:26,119 Speaker 1: why don't I do this with my dad. I think 46 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:27,639 Speaker 1: he'd be down for it. My dad doesn't have any 47 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:32,679 Speaker 1: tattoos now, and so I asked him and he immediately 48 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: said yes, he's like that's a great idea. And then 49 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: my mom like got emotional about it. She's like, he's 50 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 1: never wear a ring and now he's gonna get one 51 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 1: tattooed on. This is so special. So yeah, well yesterday 52 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:44,639 Speaker 1: he got tattoos. It was it was great. How do 53 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 1: he tolerate it? I don't have a tattoo, so I 54 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 1: don't know how it feels. Uh, the fingers like super easy. 55 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: The finger really like doesn't hurt at all. There's like 56 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: very little nerves there. And so he just sat there. 57 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:57,519 Speaker 1: He he was funny, He acted real tough. He kind 58 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 1: of like had a little swagger walking at a tattoo 59 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: parlor because he's tatted up. It was pretty good. Hey, 60 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:05,959 Speaker 1: can we get our producers in here for a second. 61 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 1: Just as like a pole, do you guys look out 62 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 1: for wedding rings when you look at just anyone, like 63 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: I know that, well, some of you guys are married, 64 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 1: some of you are single. Do you look for wedding bands? 65 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: Does it say anything about a human? I think it. 66 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 1: I think it does. I mean, I'm so old school, 67 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: but when I see a ring on a guy's finger, 68 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:30,920 Speaker 1: I definitely think like, oh, somebody um wants to be 69 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: with him. You know, he must be like a kind 70 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 1: of a stand up guy, reliable, loyal, committed. I think 71 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: it says a lot. Um. Danielle, our producer says, definitely 72 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 1: looks out for one um, and then one of our says, 73 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: I look out and judge. Apparently they all look. So 74 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: my question now is like, do people look at people 75 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 1: like your dad who haven't warn a ring and been like, oh, 76 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: that man is single. Do they automatically assume he's single? 77 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 1: Or do they think, oh, he could be married and 78 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 1: doesn't wear a ring. It does that matter? Doesn't matter 79 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 1: what's wrong with me? I don't know if it matters. 80 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 1: I really don't. I mean, I you know, I think 81 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:16,719 Speaker 1: I think it's a good pull to take. However, here's 82 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: what the guy told me that was giving me the 83 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 1: tattoo last night. He goes, sometimes it's more dangerous to 84 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 1: wear a ring out for a guy and a girl 85 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: because some people like that too. People like the challenge, 86 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 1: right challenge, and that's messed up. Yes, I'm not okay 87 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:35,720 Speaker 1: with any part of that, but uh, you know, I 88 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 1: just don't think it's that big of a deal because 89 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:40,480 Speaker 1: here's the truth, ring or not. I'm a married man. 90 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 1: I'm a happily married man. I'm a committed married man 91 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 1: that won't change, like, um, even if life goes sideways 92 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: and we have a really hard season, that's not going 93 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 1: to change for me. But that's the commitment I made 94 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 1: when I stood at the altar, and so yes, a 95 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 1: ring is a really good way to like publicly show that. 96 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:58,839 Speaker 1: And I think that would just throw with the listeners. Listeners, 97 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: what do you think? Did I make a tear a decision? 98 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 1: You know, I love your tattoo ring. Your tattoo ring 99 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: counts just as much if not, you know, if not more, 100 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 1: that is temporary. That is not that's not temporary, That 101 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 1: is not temporary, that is super permanent. You can't take 102 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 1: it off like talk about commitment. You can't have anyone 103 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 1: come up to you like you could never like go 104 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: out and not wear your ring and be like, oh, 105 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 1: I'm not wearing my ring. Let's see if any girls 106 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 1: come up to me like, no, you got it there? 107 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 1: I love it. And last night last night, Michelle got 108 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 1: a ring, a beautiful real lane ring. Oh, we're gonna 109 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 1: talk all about it here. Coming up, Let's take a break. 110 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 1: We come back with the Almost Fous podcast. We're gonna 111 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 1: break down the finale episode for Michelle's season. It was 112 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 1: an emotional one. We'renna talk about Caitlin Bristow uh kind 113 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: of shockingly with surprise hosting the finale alone. We're also 114 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 1: gonna talk about Ashley's reactions and did she cry last 115 00:05:57,560 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 1: night watching the episode. Will be back with the Almost 116 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 1: series pot guests. All right, let's start off by talking 117 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 1: about Caitlin. Because Caitlin, I guess last minute, got word 118 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:18,799 Speaker 1: that she was going to have to host the finale herself. 119 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 1: Tasia had been exposed to COVID wasn't able to be 120 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 1: up there with her. It was Caitlin's first live show. 121 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: She was already nervous about it being live because these 122 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 1: other um you know, mental alls and the other um 123 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:34,720 Speaker 1: after final rows that they did was pre taped, so 124 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 1: she was already more nervous about this one. And I 125 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 1: just got to say, I think she did the most 126 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 1: amazing job, Like given all the extra pressure, I think 127 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 1: that it was her best performance as a host. I agree. 128 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: I mean, and there's so many things about that live show. 129 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 1: It's difficult, you know, reading from a teleprompter and making 130 00:06:56,680 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 1: it seem natural, so hard, harder than you ever and 131 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 1: what people don't know what many people do, but what 132 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: you know, what I was surprised by when I was 133 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: the show is mental. All is not live. It's in 134 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 1: front of a live audience, but there stops, their starts, 135 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: It takes eight hours to film. There's there's stuff that 136 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: they cut out after Funnel Rose is completely live and 137 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 1: she is on. If she messes up, it's on her. 138 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: If she gets nervous and loses her train of thought. Me, 139 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: how many times and and I think most listeners can 140 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 1: relate with this, How many times have you been doing 141 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: something that you're super familiar with it, you're super confident 142 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: and you just like have a brain fart, like you 143 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 1: just totally blank out. Like Caitlin did great. Um, she 144 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: really showed off how good she is at this and 145 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 1: how naturally good as she is at this, because like 146 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 1: you were saying, it's not like Caitlin had a week 147 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 1: to prep knowing this was coming up, Like she just 148 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 1: had to jump into and be like, I'm gonna give 149 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 1: it my best shot. And she did awesome. She also 150 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: like made it her own. You know, you can tell 151 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 1: like the little things that she added to make it 152 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 1: her own, and she got a lot of warmth, especially 153 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: when talking to Brandon. I loved her performance. Good job, bravo, Caitlin. 154 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 1: She should be so proud. We are so proud of her. Alright, yes, Ben, 155 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 1: And if you want to listen more of Caitlin, we 156 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: just recorded an episode with her last week that's out 157 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 1: that you should go back and listen to. This is 158 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: before she knew she was going to be the live 159 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 1: host alone, but she did talk a lot about hosting 160 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 1: kind of her philosophy going into it. So they sure 161 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 1: you go back and check that out. The alright, so 162 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: let's start out with the first you know, big moments. 163 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 1: We see that you know, you know, Brandon is meeting 164 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:38,439 Speaker 1: the family again. We already had Brandon meet the family 165 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago, back when they're filming in Minnesota. 166 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 1: I thought, you know, they thought he was a sweet guy. 167 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 1: Then I don't know that they were overwhelmed with love 168 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 1: for him. Then, um they were. It seemed like his 169 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 1: dad was her dad was a little bit shy around him. 170 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 1: Then um didn't have a lot to say. And this 171 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 1: time it was like the family was just in love 172 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 1: with Brandon. They the dad gave his blessing. Um. Brandon 173 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: says that he would move to Minnesota, which is of 174 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:16,439 Speaker 1: course they loved her. Mom said that they would be 175 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:19,559 Speaker 1: so happy if Brandon was part of the family, said 176 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 1: that she could just see in Brandon's eyes that he 177 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 1: really loves her. Like everybody was just like I want 178 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:26,559 Speaker 1: to I want you to be part of the family. 179 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:28,559 Speaker 1: And then Brandon was like I really want to be 180 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: part of this family, and you're like, okay, this poor 181 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 1: Nate has like just no chance now. Oh. I mean 182 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: it was really a turning point for us too, is 183 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:42,559 Speaker 1: when Brandon started to just become another character and then 184 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 1: actually started to be a front runner. I mean he 185 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 1: was always a front runner, but we were like, oh 186 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:51,719 Speaker 1: my gosh, like this guy, he connects. They like him. 187 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 1: And then last week, after she got rid of Joe 188 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:56,959 Speaker 1: kept Brandon around. I was really like, I think this 189 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 1: might be the dude he might be a shocker toes. Yeah, 190 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 1: I thought last week that last week was the first 191 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:07,319 Speaker 1: week I started thinking, like, Okay, I think they're like 192 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:11,719 Speaker 1: is unequal, Like I feel like he is so in 193 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 1: love head over heels with this girl, and I think 194 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,839 Speaker 1: she she likes him and loves him, you know what 195 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: I mean, she really likes him and she loves him 196 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: as a person. And this week he was saying, was 197 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:26,559 Speaker 1: so much certainty, I can't wait to marry her. Just 198 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 1: was like I'm spending the rest of my life with her. 199 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 1: It was with such certainty. And then at the end 200 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 1: of the night because you know, oh no, no, whoops, 201 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: I forgot. First we meet, Nate meets to the families, 202 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 1: and then they have the one on one day. It's okay, 203 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: so let's go into Nate meeting the family. He does 204 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 1: not exactly show up the way that Brendan does. He's 205 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 1: obviously far more nervous. He has less like flowy, flowery language, right, 206 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 1: and it seems like the family likes the flowery language. 207 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 1: They like how open and invulnerable he is, which, of course, 208 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 1: like every family is going to want to hear all 209 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 1: those amazing things like I think your daughter is the 210 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:09,719 Speaker 1: most incredible person that can't want the rest of my 211 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 1: life with her. Like every family wants to hear this, 212 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:15,199 Speaker 1: but Nate's like not really good at verbalizing it. But 213 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:19,319 Speaker 1: at the same time, like, how weird is it to 214 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 1: say that stuff to a family that you're meaning for 215 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 1: the very first time. Yeah, it's it's a different philosophy 216 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 1: now to kind of go on Nate side for a second. 217 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:35,079 Speaker 1: We saw it with his own family. It's not like 218 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 1: he's putting on a show here and not like he doesn't. 219 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:41,719 Speaker 1: He doesn't. He doesn't have the it doesn't seem like 220 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 1: he has that family dynamic where he knows what to 221 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 1: say because there hasn't been that openness in that vulnerability. 222 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 1: We saw that and can kind of draw the parallels 223 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 1: now between Michelle's family and how he felt with his family. 224 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:56,839 Speaker 1: Never say I love you to his own dad, Like 225 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 1: he's not going to be like saying like I love 226 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 1: your daughter. This can that they meet No, And I mean, 227 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 1: my biggest not criticism of Brandon, to go back to 228 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 1: Brandon for a second, has always been that I felt 229 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 1: like he's always chasing after like he's trying really hardness. 230 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: It's disingenuous. I mean, obviously we now we see like 231 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:17,839 Speaker 1: how much he does care about her. But like I 232 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 1: was always like, you know, I just want this dude 233 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 1: to relax a little bit, Like I want to see 234 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: him just be him and like not be not say 235 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 1: the right thing and not be always like super excited, 236 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:28,679 Speaker 1: just like be him. And they, you know, was the 237 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 1: guy that definitely was a little bit like more calm 238 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 1: and collected to this whole season. Um. But but he 239 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 1: lost his fitting here. He definitely wasn't like he wasn't 240 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 1: collected here. You can see that he was at a 241 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 1: loss for words. He was visibly nervous. But it's okay. 242 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: You Like, I wanted to keep defending him because, like 243 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: I think, meeting the parents is already a nerve racking thing, 244 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 1: let alone in this environment. And they didn't let him 245 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 1: down easy at all. They were asking tough questions. They're 246 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 1: talking about moving to Minnesota. He was kind of vague 247 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 1: about that. Uh, they didn't they didn't like that. Um. 248 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 1: Then even his her mom said, like, we didn't get 249 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 1: like the warm vibes from him right off the bat 250 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 1: like we did with Brendan. The mom initially says that 251 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: Brandon was a warmer personality right off the bat. She 252 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:31,439 Speaker 1: then tells Michelle that she doesn't think that Nate is 253 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 1: ready for engagement, and Michelle gets really emotional about this. 254 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 1: She faces Nate afterward, you know, they leave the family, 255 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 1: and she tries to reassure He says he's very much 256 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 1: ready to get down on one knee. Um, he just 257 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:51,680 Speaker 1: doesn't like like being basically, I totally understand what he's 258 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 1: going through. He doesn't want to count his eggs before 259 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 1: they hatch. Right, So the family is like, well, what 260 00:13:57,320 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 1: about this? Like what about that? Like what if you 261 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 1: aren't the last one, the last guy standing? And he's like, 262 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 1: I don't really want to think about that. Like I'm 263 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 1: trying not to put any negativity out there, and me, 264 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 1: as somebody who like is all about the power of positivity, 265 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 1: I also wouldn't want to put that out there. You 266 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 1: want to project what you want, and like, I don't know. 267 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 1: So I feel like he just gets awkward about talking 268 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 1: about certain things because he's just like, um, I am 269 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 1: just hoping that that's not how it goes. Uh, So 270 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 1: like he just yeah, I don't know. I mean, Ashley, 271 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 1: here's the thing. I know it's confusing, but and I'm 272 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 1: not like not understanding where rene comes from, because I 273 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 1: do get it, and it's a weird circumstance. But when 274 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 1: you fall in love, you do throw all your eggs 275 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 1: in one basket, like you're ready to do anything to 276 00:14:56,520 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: make that happen. Okay, you're right, Ben, darn it, you know. 277 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 1: I mean you would, just I was just expecting, well, 278 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 1: you can. And I'm not saying like I don't trust 279 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 1: the dude or believe in him or think it's real. 280 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 1: I hope they work, and I'm like, I'm super happy. 281 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 1: But I liked all these guys that were down in 282 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 1: the final couple of weeks, like I think they're all 283 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 1: like good dudes, but like when you fall in love, actually, 284 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: when you fall in love, like you throw all your 285 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 1: eggs in one basket. When you fall in love, you 286 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 1: commit to whatever the good and the bad is going 287 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 1: to be that comes to you. And so I was 288 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 1: a little surprised with Nate and still his reservations around 289 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 1: the family and around this week, because in my mind, 290 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 1: and not everybody is going to handle love the same way, 291 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: but in my mind, Brandon just was so all in 292 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 1: in that it made me nervous for where Nate stands, 293 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 1: and that's it. I'll say, you're just right. You're right, 294 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 1: because I'm thinking about how I've handled my experiences on 295 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 1: the show, and I have been like I was more 296 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 1: out there than ever when it came to like me 297 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 1: being like I need this, I want this, like I'm 298 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 1: not going to give up on this, even though like 299 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 1: in real life, I probably would have been a little 300 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 1: bit more reserved. So this process, in my experience, made 301 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 1: me more vocal about everything. It looks like it made 302 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: Brandon more vocal about everything, and it made Nate well, 303 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 1: maybe just stay the same. I didn't see a lot 304 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 1: of and you can listeners, please are you that's part 305 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 1: of this. But I didn't see a lot of advancement 306 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 1: emotionally or romantically from Nate from the start of the season. 307 00:16:57,040 --> 00:17:00,080 Speaker 1: To be it well, Michelle says that she did, and 308 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 1: then she says, we didn't see it. Okay, we didn't 309 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:07,920 Speaker 1: see it. No, we didn't see much. We didn't see much. 310 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:10,400 Speaker 1: I do think that, like at the proposal, we did. 311 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 1: The proposal was a turning point. And then she says 312 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 1: on after the final rows that now like he's just 313 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 1: as vulnerable and communicative as she has been, if not 314 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 1: more so, that's that's great, and you would hope the 315 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 1: proposal would be a really good romantic, emotional stamp place 316 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 1: where you would say, Hey, I love you and I 317 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:36,719 Speaker 1: want to commit to you. I trust her, I mean 318 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 1: I always have. Michelle, I think is one of been 319 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 1: one of the best all around leads this show has 320 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 1: ever seen. I think she did it really well. I 321 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 1: think she handled the controversy well, the drama well. I 322 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:50,119 Speaker 1: think she asked good questions. So I do trust her 323 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: obviously with this, and I have to believe that I'm 324 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 1: just saying as a viewers standpoint, because that's the only 325 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 1: place I could come from is I didn't see it. 326 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 1: And that why I was more reserved on date than 327 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:04,159 Speaker 1: I was with Brandon when it came to how they 328 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: felt about Michelle. I completely concur All right, let's get 329 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 1: into Brandon and Michelle's last date. The big thing is 330 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 1: that Michelle starts out by saying that she is really 331 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:19,239 Speaker 1: falling for Brandon, but doesn't want to go into an 332 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:21,640 Speaker 1: engagement falling in love. She wants to be in love, 333 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:27,120 Speaker 1: and the big moment is that she legitimately tells Brandon 334 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 1: while sitting down on the couch during like their final 335 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 1: you know alone moments together, says I'm not falling with 336 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 1: for you, I love you, and we in that moment, 337 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:44,879 Speaker 1: I think as an audience, we were like, okay, so 338 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 1: she's gonna pick him or she's gonna pull Ben Higgins 339 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 1: and say I love you to two people, which so 340 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 1: many people have done since, which so many I mean, 341 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 1: it just seems like it's became a good, a really good, 342 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 1: like at least people now are saying it. Uh. This 343 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 1: this was intense because I think you can make a 344 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:10,119 Speaker 1: lot of parallels with this in my experience where you 345 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:12,440 Speaker 1: don't know. I think she was conflicted. I think she 346 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:16,439 Speaker 1: was confused. I think there was a lot of emotions 347 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:18,680 Speaker 1: running around, and I think she had two incredible people 348 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:21,879 Speaker 1: standing in front of her. She had really strong feelings 349 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:25,359 Speaker 1: from both uh, and so I get it. I have. 350 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:27,920 Speaker 1: I saw you know, Twitter last night, and I saw 351 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 1: the not they hate. I don't think Michelle has got 352 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 1: a lot of hate, but I saw the differences of 353 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 1: opinions on what she did and why she said it. 354 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 1: But when you're in the moment, you feel like, hey, 355 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 1: if I'm going to at least for me saying goodbye 356 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 1: to somebody, and I don't know quite who, and that 357 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 1: feels weird to be I at least want to to 358 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 1: know how much I care. That's pretty much what she 359 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 1: says on after the final rest, She's like, I just 360 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 1: didn't want to hold back, like that's how I was feeling, 361 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: and I wanted you to know that's how much you 362 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:03,639 Speaker 1: meant to me. I think in five years, you know, 363 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 1: hopefully she's still with Nate, thinks are great. She can 364 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 1: take a second breathe and look back and say that 365 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 1: maybe it wasn't the wisest thing. That's what I would 366 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 1: say about myself, wasn't it wasn't the wisest thing. I 367 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:17,680 Speaker 1: was definitely letting my emotions speak from my mind. But 368 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:22,879 Speaker 1: in the moment, it's so hard to know what the 369 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 1: right thing to do is. You really just have to 370 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 1: start saying I'm gonna say whatever I feel and whatever 371 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,400 Speaker 1: I do it is true, and I'm just gonna say 372 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 1: it and hopefully it works out, and if it does, 373 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 1: it I don't know what to do about it. Yeah, yeah, 374 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 1: I understand. I wonder if Michelle knew though in that moment, 375 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 1: that she was going to pick Nate, Like I wonder 376 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 1: how long she knew because you know, it's just one 377 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 1: of them. It's another one of those first impression Rose things. 378 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 1: You know, we have a long list. I think at 379 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 1: the end of the episode, we're going to talk about, um, 380 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 1: all the leads that have picked their first and shown 381 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 1: and it's like love at first sight. Right, Well, I 382 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 1: think you're gonna have the opportunity to talk to Michelle, 383 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 1: aren't you. Pretty soon you can be asking this question, Yes, 384 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: let's do I'll do that. Um. But that reminds me 385 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 1: of just like I'm thinking maybe going off of the 386 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 1: family date, the you know, the family meeting, maybe Michelle 387 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 1: was like, I really should be with Brendan Brandon. I 388 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 1: wonder if she felt a lot of pressure from that. 389 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 1: That is something I'm going to ask her to And 390 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:34,640 Speaker 1: how relatable is that on this Uh when we watch 391 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 1: the show. For those that are listening that have been 392 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:40,479 Speaker 1: fans of the show and the podcast for years, how 393 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 1: many times it really stands out to me? Was the 394 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:48,400 Speaker 1: Peter and one that almost says well yeah, but laughable 395 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:52,400 Speaker 1: now is the Jojo season with Robbie. Uh in Jordan's 396 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 1: where the family loved Robbie. They did Eileen remember that 397 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 1: oh my, yes, you know, sometimes the family doesn't always 398 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:05,680 Speaker 1: know the whole story or that, you know, they just 399 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 1: get to get some pieces when somebody can turn it 400 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,440 Speaker 1: on for a couple of minutes and really be likable. 401 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 1: So I don't look too far into that. But yeah, 402 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:19,680 Speaker 1: I this one was hard because unlike you know, I 403 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:23,399 Speaker 1: would like to think this, but unlike maybe Jojo season Brandon, 404 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,120 Speaker 1: I think is as really through the whole episode two 405 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 1: and through the live showing, he drew out of fans 406 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,159 Speaker 1: because they can tell he was ready and he was open, 407 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 1: and he was just being himself the best he could 408 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:36,440 Speaker 1: and he didn't want anything out of this other of 409 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 1: the Michelle. And that's why I think so many people 410 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:43,920 Speaker 1: react so strongly emotionally, a lot of people to his 411 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 1: conversation with Caitlin and then his conversation with Michelle. Yeah, 412 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 1: and he continues to call Michelle like his future wife 413 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 1: with certainty throughout the episode, throughout the date, but to 414 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 1: the next day Michelle has her last date with Nate 415 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 1: in which he really does have like that conversation for 416 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,919 Speaker 1: the first time where it's probably that scene when they 417 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 1: were on the bench. So let's take a break here 418 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:13,880 Speaker 1: then and when we come back, we're to talk about 419 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 1: that conversation on the bench because it is one that 420 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,640 Speaker 1: seems to be at turning point for Michelle and Nate 421 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:21,920 Speaker 1: and for so many watching, So we'll come back with 422 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 1: all the sus podcasts. Before this bench conversation, we see 423 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 1: him super awkward with a shaman and the shaman's like, 424 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:42,359 Speaker 1: you have walls up, and I'm like, oh gosh, Nate's 425 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 1: really like in the bed here. I feel like Brandon 426 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 1: is the shoe in. Michelle is not gonna be able 427 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 1: to like go into finale day with with this guy 428 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:57,399 Speaker 1: that just seems like too uncertain about everything. Um. But 429 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 1: then they have this bench conversation him and he goes like, 430 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 1: I came on this show with two suits thinking I 431 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:06,920 Speaker 1: was not going to make it to the end, and 432 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 1: now here I am. I'm madly in love. This could 433 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 1: be like that. You could be like the person I'm 434 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 1: going to be with for the rest of my life. 435 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:16,880 Speaker 1: He says that he's scared that he's gonna get heartbroken. 436 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 1: Michelle is like, this is what I wanted you to 437 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 1: be saying the entire time. She's like I'm scared as well. 438 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:27,680 Speaker 1: And then he was like this could be like my 439 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 1: last conversation before proposal. He worries if he's expressing himself enough, 440 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 1: like I think he's like, I keep trying, like I've 441 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 1: never wanted to be more expressive in my life. Michelle 442 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,879 Speaker 1: says that she's really stressed out, and Nate says that 443 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: he's happy that the conversation with her mom. You know 444 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 1: that the conversation with her mom in which she said, 445 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 1: I don't think that he's ready to get engaged, was 446 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 1: actually what started this ben conversation. So therefore he's happy 447 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: that it like they had it so like now they 448 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 1: can really hash this out. But he says that he's 449 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 1: now never been more certain about somebody. He's ready for 450 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:16,200 Speaker 1: a proposal. Um. He all he does all day long 451 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 1: is think about the rest of his life with her, 452 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 1: and he's scared that if he walks away tomorrow and 453 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 1: then when when he wakes up tomorrow, it could be 454 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 1: the last day that he ever gets to see Michelle. 455 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 1: And then they tell each other that they love her, 456 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 1: that you know that they love each other, and it's 457 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:39,680 Speaker 1: anoint it is it is it's it's something that was needed. 458 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 1: I think leading up to that last proposal, it was 459 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,159 Speaker 1: a turning point for us. Can I pause you for 460 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 1: a second and get your feedback on something this shaman deal? 461 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 1: Why do they love saman so much? Yeah? That's that 462 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 1: was My thing is like this seems helpful, it seems cool, 463 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 1: but it comes up every season? Is this little like 464 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 1: either intimacy coach or shaman? Uh? You know it just 465 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 1: it doesn't do much for me as as a date 466 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 1: idea because typically in my memory, maybe somebody can correct me, 467 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 1: the shaman usually just brings up insecurities or negativity around 468 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 1: the relationship for the person. That's usually what happens here 469 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 1: is like the thing we all expect this person by 470 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 1: the way, I'm sitting outside, I'm sorry, it's the only 471 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 1: place I have in the house, but that you can 472 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 1: hear mower going why. But uh, typically the only the 473 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 1: only thing that comes up as negativity and it doesn't 474 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 1: ever seem helpful for relationship. Maybe here it was because 475 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 1: it did allow them to start talking. But I don't 476 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 1: know if I'm a fan of them, of those dates, 477 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 1: of those dates, I know it's probably just the producer's 478 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 1: way of a topic being brought up that maybe it 479 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 1: wouldn't have been natural for either one of the couple 480 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:03,200 Speaker 1: to bring up. Okay, So then they get back from 481 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 1: their date and Michelle has a note from Brandon. It's 482 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 1: like the most over the top thing. It makes me 483 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:15,640 Speaker 1: just cringe now thinking that she's going to pick Nate 484 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 1: because at the end of their date she says something like, 485 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,680 Speaker 1: my heart is telling me that Nate is my person. 486 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 1: And now she just has to get hit with this 487 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 1: guilt in a way. You know, just this guy who 488 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,719 Speaker 1: just is talking so much about his love for her 489 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 1: now and forever and even if it's not him, that 490 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 1: she needs to follow her heart and that like he's 491 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:44,639 Speaker 1: never loved like this ever, and like it's such a 492 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 1: selfless love and it's just like, oh my god, this 493 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:52,920 Speaker 1: guy is like he's gonna be broken, and I can't 494 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,400 Speaker 1: watch this guy be so broken. I all I want 495 00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 1: is that is like, well, guess this is this is 496 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 1: the Bachelor lead in right, like his future Bachelor application. 497 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 1: But it's just like all I want is this guy 498 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 1: to find somebody who loves him the same way that 499 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 1: he is capable of loving another. Um. Yeah, yeah, both 500 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 1: he's not I mean not that not that it couldn't 501 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 1: happen down the road, but still it just seems like 502 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,399 Speaker 1: it would have made a lot of sense. But I 503 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,720 Speaker 1: guess it would have if it was spoiled, you know, 504 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 1: like if Brandon was the bachelor. There's no way if 505 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 1: I understand why, I understand why this has happened. You know, 506 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:47,240 Speaker 1: you can't hide the filming of Clayton, you know, like 507 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,480 Speaker 1: you just can't hide it. So they couldn't have had 508 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 1: Brandon be the bachelor because then the entire season of 509 00:28:54,680 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 1: Michelle's would have been totally ruined and spoiled. Anyway, both 510 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 1: guys picked their Neil Lane rings and this is the 511 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 1: moment that Michelle meets Brandon at the altar with the 512 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 1: ocean waves way too loud, way way too loud. Couldn't 513 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:23,560 Speaker 1: hear her? Couldn't hear mis tweeted last night and apologized 514 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 1: about it. Yeah, he's like, sorry, there's nothing we could do. 515 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 1: The waves are a lot louder than expect that. They 516 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 1: owed up to it. Yeah, like you couldn't hear Michelle 517 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 1: at all. But you know it's fine. That makes it 518 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 1: kind of like real life, you know, it's like, oh, 519 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 1: they kind of messed up. They were really close to 520 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 1: the water anyway, So um, Brandon, well, Brandon later that 521 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,479 Speaker 1: after final Rose says, like, you can't lie with your 522 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 1: eyes like I can see. I can tell everything you're 523 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 1: feeling through your eyes, Like I knew when I got 524 00:29:55,440 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 1: up there that it wasn't me. Yeah, which is pretty heartbreaking, 525 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 1: but at least like you had a little warning. He 526 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 1: says he found his missing piece with her, and they 527 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 1: have something special that he will never find again. Please Brandon, 528 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 1: go find it again. You must find it. Um. He 529 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 1: says he doesn't want to spend another second without her, Um, 530 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 1: that he hasn't met anyone that she and she says like, 531 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 1: I've never met anyone like you, and I do love you, 532 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 1: but I promise myself to follow my heart, and my 533 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 1: heart is pushing me in a different direction. They both 534 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 1: start crying. She says, I love you again as walking 535 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 1: him out, which you know, I think it's actually like 536 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 1: quite nice. She really does love him as a person, 537 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 1: And then we just continue to see him sob and 538 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 1: sigh and oh, it was really one of the most emotional, 539 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 1: you know, finale exits I can ever remember, because a 540 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 1: lot of people get defensive and a lot of them 541 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 1: get angry in that final moment, but he was just 542 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:07,560 Speaker 1: straight up sad. Some people you're like, oh, you know, 543 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 1: they're gonna be fine. Just with Brandon, I did not. 544 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 1: I know he's gonna be fine, but there wasn't that 545 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 1: like that sense there he loves her. He does, he does. 546 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:25,200 Speaker 1: I mean that's very obvious. But you gotta feel for 547 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 1: the guy. You got his heartbroken, and we all none 548 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 1: of us like to see that. I mean, it happens 549 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:31,960 Speaker 1: on this show, it happens in life, but it's just 550 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:37,000 Speaker 1: always hard. Uh. He's he's gonna be fine, but I 551 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 1: do feel with Brandon, it's going to take him a while. 552 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 1: I've never uh, meeting with a runner up a few 553 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 1: years ago Ashley and I won't say who, but I 554 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 1: remember meeting with the runner up and he had very 555 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 1: similar feelings to this. He was heartbroken. This was months 556 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 1: after the break up, months and he was heartbroken. He 557 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,560 Speaker 1: really was. He was crying on make how uh and 558 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 1: he didn't know how to navigate life. I get it 559 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 1: now they're fine, right, it's been a few years, but 560 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 1: there's still this. Yeah, you know, love is love and 561 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 1: it's it's it's a it's a hard thing, but it's 562 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 1: not worth it if you don't, you know, if you're 563 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,760 Speaker 1: not willing to taking some pain, so feel for Brandon there. 564 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 1: It's one of those moments that, like, it kind of 565 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 1: sucks because sometimes I feel like these finales are overshadowed 566 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 1: by the breakup. U like the engagements get overshadowed by 567 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 1: the breakup beforehand, where you're left thinking more about that 568 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,840 Speaker 1: than you were the engagement in the Happy Couple. I 569 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:44,080 Speaker 1: think this is one of those seasons. Yeah, yeah, because 570 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 1: more people are gonna be talking about Brandon today than 571 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,080 Speaker 1: Michelle and Nate. I feel like even though Michelle and Bates, 572 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 1: do you think so? Yeah, I think it happens most seasons. Yeah, 573 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 1: I think it just does. I think it's part of 574 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 1: the beast. So well, let's uh, let's move on now 575 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 1: to celebrate the happy couple. Uh, Michelle and Date they 576 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:07,240 Speaker 1: want to wish the best here because I think this 577 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:11,240 Speaker 1: top four that Michelle had was some of the best 578 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,680 Speaker 1: top four we've seen a long time. I thought these 579 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:18,200 Speaker 1: guys were all charismatic, they all had incredible storylines, they 580 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 1: all connected at some level with Michelle, and so for 581 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:26,400 Speaker 1: Nate to rise above those guys and too have Michelle's 582 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 1: heart and for Michelle to have his heart something we 583 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 1: got to celebrate, so we're super excited for the minute. 584 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 1: Here's the deal. I thought, I feel for this couple, 585 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 1: even though they won't be the ones talked about. There's 586 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:37,680 Speaker 1: been some seasons as of recent where you and I 587 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 1: are like, this is just weird. The ending felt odd, 588 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 1: it fell off, It felt like we didn't connect with it. 589 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,880 Speaker 1: This season, we you know, really felt like, at least 590 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,080 Speaker 1: for me, I connected with this couple. Just to go 591 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 1: back a few seasons Katie and Blake, we fell off 592 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,360 Speaker 1: with that for sure, and then we with Matt and Rachel, 593 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,760 Speaker 1: We're also like, where is this gonna go? But here 594 00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 1: I feel like they are truly happy. Uh. They are 595 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 1: like really glowing together. There's no issues. I thought that 596 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,759 Speaker 1: because of the teasers there was gonna be some sort 597 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 1: of twist. There really wasn't. No. I thought that maybe, yeah, 598 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,120 Speaker 1: I thought maybe that would be evident at after the 599 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,399 Speaker 1: final rows, like that's where the twist would be. But nope, 600 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,719 Speaker 1: they like showed up. They were so happy together, and 601 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:25,400 Speaker 1: I'm just excited to hopefully get a bachelor couple that 602 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:29,880 Speaker 1: lasts a while, if not forever. Now I think I 603 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:31,759 Speaker 1: think they're being a shot with them. I really do. 604 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,800 Speaker 1: I think, and I just feel, you know, like I said, 605 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 1: with Michelle being as good at this whole process issue 606 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,600 Speaker 1: was leading. I think she made a decision that she 607 00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:44,640 Speaker 1: knew was right and it seemed like it just was 608 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:48,520 Speaker 1: solidified on the final episode and on the live show. 609 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:52,120 Speaker 1: But again, for as much you want to celebrate them too, 610 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,200 Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, you know, Caitlin Bristow handling 611 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:59,359 Speaker 1: this whole thing so well, uh and really helping us 612 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,879 Speaker 1: connect with this couple as we want to celebrate them 613 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,799 Speaker 1: on after the final rose, I think she I think 614 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,879 Speaker 1: she crushed it and she did a great job. Thinks 615 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:13,680 Speaker 1: so too. All right, Well, I'm going to um have 616 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:19,120 Speaker 1: Michelle on the podcast later today another episode, and I'm 617 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,000 Speaker 1: going to ask her a whole bunch of things that 618 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,799 Speaker 1: came up at after the final rows, including that down 619 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:32,040 Speaker 1: payment on a house lucky duckies, Yeah, and how she 620 00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:36,600 Speaker 1: felt about choosing somebody that her family was not as 621 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:40,480 Speaker 1: down for her to choose. Wow. All right, well, hey, 622 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,040 Speaker 1: we're coming back with a resident expert. There are some 623 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,880 Speaker 1: Bachelor headlines this week, even though it was the finale 624 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,800 Speaker 1: of Michelle's season. We're going to talk to Ashley Kennetie 625 00:35:49,160 --> 00:36:03,520 Speaker 1: about these headlines coming up after the break. Okay, headlines 626 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,520 Speaker 1: this week in Bachelor Nation. This is a wild one. 627 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,000 Speaker 1: Hannah Brown's brother. I had no clue this is even 628 00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:13,439 Speaker 1: happening or going on. Patrick is engaged to Jed Wyatt's ex, 629 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:18,160 Speaker 1: Haley Stevens. Dude, he my best friend. Disaccording to US 630 00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:23,320 Speaker 1: Weekly at this is the weirdest thing ever. Okay, Hayley Stevens, 631 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,879 Speaker 1: if you guys don't remember, is the girl that Jed 632 00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:30,759 Speaker 1: was apparently with up until the moment that like he 633 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,880 Speaker 1: landed in l A to be on the Bachelorette, And 634 00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:41,200 Speaker 1: somewhere in the mix, Hannah's brother met Haley and now 635 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:45,840 Speaker 1: they're engaged. I don't remember when they started dating, but 636 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:49,160 Speaker 1: never what I have thought that they would have gotten engaged. 637 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,800 Speaker 1: And now Hannah is going to spend the rest of 638 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:55,400 Speaker 1: her life being related to the girl that like was 639 00:36:55,600 --> 00:37:00,799 Speaker 1: dating her fiance. This is a whole bunch of craziness. Um. 640 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:05,399 Speaker 1: Hannah did share her approval though. Last month. She said, 641 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,000 Speaker 1: I love my brother and I'm just so thankful for 642 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,320 Speaker 1: all the changes that he's made in his life. Because 643 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:15,360 Speaker 1: of that just really impacted the way our family dynamic 644 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,239 Speaker 1: as both of us have kind of gone on our 645 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,839 Speaker 1: own journey of healing. He had an overdose last year. 646 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,120 Speaker 1: Um about his love life, I don't choose who my 647 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,160 Speaker 1: brother loves and who he wants to be with, but 648 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,480 Speaker 1: I love him and I want him to be happy. 649 00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:37,120 Speaker 1: So it still sounds like she doesn't like this. I mean, 650 00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:41,239 Speaker 1: it's gotta be weird for right, But I'm sure she's met, 651 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,200 Speaker 1: you know, Haley most of the times. Now, I'm sure. 652 00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,600 Speaker 1: I'm sure they have had their time. And I actually 653 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,359 Speaker 1: feel like not that any of this is a one up, 654 00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:53,880 Speaker 1: but you know, for for Hannah and Haley and and Patrick, 655 00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,120 Speaker 1: you know, the one that kind of gets the shaft 656 00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:00,800 Speaker 1: to get his jed. Which is fine because you know, 657 00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,840 Speaker 1: Haley and and Patrick gard love and you can't really do. 658 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,240 Speaker 1: But I feel like it's more weird for Jed probably 659 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,480 Speaker 1: where he's like I just like I got hated on, 660 00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:13,120 Speaker 1: kicked out, booted up, and then she ends up married 661 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,239 Speaker 1: the brother of the girl that like I didn't get with. 662 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:20,000 Speaker 1: I don't know it just this is like a wild storyline. 663 00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,920 Speaker 1: That is, it's a weird, weird storyline. All right, what's 664 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:29,279 Speaker 1: the next headline? Batchel Nations, Astrid and Kevin's newborn hospitalized 665 00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,840 Speaker 1: after testing positive for COVID. This according to E I 666 00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:37,759 Speaker 1: saw this. Oh no, I did not know this. Okay um. 667 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,560 Speaker 1: Kevin captioned a series of photos on Instagram saying, tough 668 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,520 Speaker 1: week for the Went Gang. This is an appreciation post 669 00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:46,800 Speaker 1: for the best mother and teammate there is. Our family 670 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,680 Speaker 1: has COVID and it's not taking it easy on any 671 00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:53,520 Speaker 1: of us. Astrid has a terrible flu, followed by Aggie 672 00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:58,480 Speaker 1: getting a fever which he's also tested um for COVID 673 00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:02,080 Speaker 1: as well as was admitted to the hospital and seeing 674 00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,319 Speaker 1: him sick and in pain at just four weeks old 675 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:08,160 Speaker 1: breaks our hearts. He got very sick yesterday and today 676 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:10,360 Speaker 1: is the worst yet. So I couldn't go to the 677 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,400 Speaker 1: hospital and not even bring astro dinner because of the 678 00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:17,879 Speaker 1: new variant and unknown um and the unknown around the transmission. 679 00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:20,840 Speaker 1: I've been staying clear of my little man until my 680 00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,880 Speaker 1: symptoms are gone. We aren't isolation until after Christmas. Uh. 681 00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,319 Speaker 1: He also said the asterroids being such a champ um 682 00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:31,279 Speaker 1: she is. She snapped into mama bear mode and and 683 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:37,920 Speaker 1: never skipped a beat. That is so sad. Yeah, it's uh. 684 00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,120 Speaker 1: It is. It's it's a hard story to read. I 685 00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,800 Speaker 1: wish the best for that family because this cannot be easy. 686 00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,680 Speaker 1: But no doubt Astro that did jump into mom and 687 00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,880 Speaker 1: bear mode is incredible. Mother. Well, the next headline is 688 00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:56,080 Speaker 1: this transitioning to Tasha Adams calls out Colton Underwood says 689 00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:59,600 Speaker 1: he lied about sleeping in sweatpants during Fantasy Sweet Date. 690 00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:04,000 Speaker 1: That's to us Weekly, Oh, this was interesting, especially after 691 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,920 Speaker 1: you and Nick last week said that both of you, 692 00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:11,680 Speaker 1: in addition to other Bachelor Nation members did reach out 693 00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:15,840 Speaker 1: to Colton after he came out on Good Morning America. 694 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,319 Speaker 1: When he denied that anyone did, he said that Chris 695 00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,040 Speaker 1: Harrison was the only person in the Bachelor family who did. 696 00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:25,080 Speaker 1: And now Tasia comes out and says he was not 697 00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:29,680 Speaker 1: wearing sets in bed with me as he claims during 698 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:35,960 Speaker 1: his in his Netflix show. She says he She says 699 00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:39,640 Speaker 1: that he was way too hot for that and he 700 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,719 Speaker 1: I don't even think had he didn't have a shirt on. 701 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:46,680 Speaker 1: She also hates the fact that she made it seem 702 00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:51,480 Speaker 1: like he was like pitying her. So these are the 703 00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,960 Speaker 1: exact quotes. Says, I don't know if this was in 704 00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,000 Speaker 1: his book, which I haven't read or his show, which 705 00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:00,200 Speaker 1: I haven't seen, but obviously everyone in Bachelnation talks. He 706 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,960 Speaker 1: had said, you know, he went in to the you 707 00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,160 Speaker 1: know Becca Cooper and is on the podcast and which 708 00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,440 Speaker 1: she just says these things, and she goes, well, he 709 00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:13,200 Speaker 1: said that you guys went into the fantasy suite and 710 00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,680 Speaker 1: that he's kept his sweatpants and a sweatshirt on, and 711 00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:17,680 Speaker 1: then you guys talked and that was it, and then 712 00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:22,759 Speaker 1: he felt bad. And then Tassia goes. Taia calls that 713 00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:26,839 Speaker 1: extremely rude. She said, he felt It's like he felt 714 00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:28,440 Speaker 1: bad for me. It's like, don't make me seem like 715 00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:32,160 Speaker 1: this like a pity case. He felt bad for me. Anyway, 716 00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,240 Speaker 1: if I'm not the only person you should be feeling 717 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,120 Speaker 1: bad for, there were other women that were trying to 718 00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:40,080 Speaker 1: fall in love with you, and they're really putting their 719 00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:42,960 Speaker 1: house their hearts there on the line. So if you 720 00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,279 Speaker 1: feel bad for sleeping, if you if you feel bad 721 00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:49,080 Speaker 1: in that regard, then sure, um. But no, to answer 722 00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:53,400 Speaker 1: the blatant question here, he did not actually sleep in 723 00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:58,680 Speaker 1: sweatpants and a sweatshirt that night. Yeah, well, uh we did. 724 00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,560 Speaker 1: I ended watch the clip that I don't think Colton's 725 00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:06,680 Speaker 1: responded to any of it. But that's that's that's fine. Well, 726 00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:10,120 Speaker 1: the next headline is this. Greg Grippa recalls quitting The 727 00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:14,360 Speaker 1: Bachelor a calling producers left and right to get Katie 728 00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:18,239 Speaker 1: Thurston update Disaccording to US Weekly, he does say that 729 00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,200 Speaker 1: the feelings that they that they did have for each 730 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:25,480 Speaker 1: other were real, but he actually truly believes that she 731 00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:30,840 Speaker 1: had stronger feelings for Blake when he quit. And he 732 00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,920 Speaker 1: said after he left, he was calling producers d m 733 00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:40,080 Speaker 1: NG Caitlin Burstow. He said nobody was answering, but he 734 00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:43,759 Speaker 1: was truly wanting to know is she with him? Did 735 00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:47,320 Speaker 1: they end up together? Is she coming back to New Jersey? Like? 736 00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,080 Speaker 1: I think that maybe a little bit in his head 737 00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,640 Speaker 1: he was like, oh, is she gonna follow after me? Um? 738 00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,680 Speaker 1: He said yeah, Colin producers left and right. I was 739 00:42:55,760 --> 00:43:00,480 Speaker 1: telling my family, I think there's a better chance than 740 00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:04,440 Speaker 1: not that we get back together. I thought that she 741 00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:06,960 Speaker 1: was going to go after him, um in New Jersey too. 742 00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:09,120 Speaker 1: I definitely thought she was going to halt the season 743 00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,040 Speaker 1: and just be like, all right, well, if if I 744 00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,759 Speaker 1: can't get him back, then the other the other two, 745 00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:20,120 Speaker 1: like the feelings aren't aren't on par with so then 746 00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:23,880 Speaker 1: I'll have to leave alone. But we all know how 747 00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:27,560 Speaker 1: this story ended. It was with Blake and then it 748 00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:32,239 Speaker 1: was with John. And actually, speaking of John, Katie said 749 00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:36,600 Speaker 1: this week um that she did not give Blake a 750 00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:41,040 Speaker 1: heads up about her relationship with John. When asked about 751 00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,399 Speaker 1: why she didn't give Blake a heads up, she said, 752 00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,640 Speaker 1: people are always like, well, you should have told Blake. 753 00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,920 Speaker 1: We talked about giving Blake a heads up. But here's 754 00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:53,160 Speaker 1: the thing that people forget. We're just normal people trying 755 00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:56,319 Speaker 1: to live normal lives. And when have you ever had 756 00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,880 Speaker 1: to tell an X that you're seeing someone new? I 757 00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:03,719 Speaker 1: feel that. I feel that, Um, But in Bachelor world 758 00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:05,560 Speaker 1: is a little bit different, just because, like all the 759 00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:10,839 Speaker 1: relationships are so public. Yeah, fair enough. Well, actually that's 760 00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,040 Speaker 1: all the headlines we got for today. It's another season 761 00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:17,480 Speaker 1: in the books. Michelle Young season is over. We want 762 00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:20,680 Speaker 1: to was her in the absolute best? Uh? Into all 763 00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:23,759 Speaker 1: the contestants that were on this season. Uh, what a 764 00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:27,279 Speaker 1: great season, what a great uh thing we got to watch. 765 00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,600 Speaker 1: Now we head into Clayton's season of The Bachelor. We 766 00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:35,200 Speaker 1: did see him, uh come to the the after the 767 00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,799 Speaker 1: final rose. He read through some mean tweets, which felt 768 00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:43,000 Speaker 1: really uncomfortable for me to watch. But I am going 769 00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:46,479 Speaker 1: to be excited to see him as the Bachelor because 770 00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,000 Speaker 1: there is a lot of speculation around it and if 771 00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:52,040 Speaker 1: you remember right, a lot of the leads that we've 772 00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:55,600 Speaker 1: gone on to u leading into their season with the 773 00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:58,160 Speaker 1: most like confusion about I would say Hannah Brown was 774 00:44:58,200 --> 00:44:59,600 Speaker 1: one of those. I think we were all like, what 775 00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:04,920 Speaker 1: in the where did this come from? Except for me? Yeah, Well, 776 00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:08,240 Speaker 1: I was gonna help finding some of the most daring, 777 00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:13,040 Speaker 1: some of the most positively rated. So we'll we'll be 778 00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:16,239 Speaker 1: excited for this next season of The Bachelor with Clayton. Yes, 779 00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,719 Speaker 1: that'll be. It'll the previews give me hope. I'll say that. 780 00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,319 Speaker 1: There we go. Well, that's all we got through today 781 00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:26,560 Speaker 1: with the Almost Famous podcast. We'll be back very soon. 782 00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:31,359 Speaker 1: Next week you can break down the girls. That's right. Oh, 783 00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,080 Speaker 1: let's do it. One of my favorite episodes every year 784 00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,560 Speaker 1: is when we just get to talk about these people 785 00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:39,520 Speaker 1: without ever knowing him. Uh and uh so we'll do 786 00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:43,600 Speaker 1: that next week. Here, I'm almost say this podcast with 787 00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:47,560 Speaker 1: that I've been been Ashley. Bye, guys. 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