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Speaker 4: Let's move on to Bill Burr who was on Club

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Speaker 4: Random with Bill Maher and they obviously why not, got

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Speaker 4: into a conversation about the pro Palestinian demonstrations on campuses

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Speaker 4: around the country. Lest you think we weren't watching Aaron

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Speaker 4: Rodgers on Joe Rogan or on Tucker Carlson's show yesterday,

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Speaker 4: he did weigh in on the Cuba policy of Alan

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Speaker 4: Dulles inaccurately. By the way, this was a historic first,

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Speaker 4: I think the first former Green Bay Packers quarterback to

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Speaker 4: go after Alan Dulles.

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Speaker 5: Triumph for him.

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Speaker 4: So the podcast universe is thriving and Bill Burr is

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Speaker 4: is a part of that wonderful ecosystem and Bill Maher

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Speaker 4: this went pretty viral.

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Speaker 5: I think got kind of owned by Bill Burr. Here,

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Speaker 5: let's take a watch.

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Speaker 6: You don't realize that college campus is erupted with the

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Speaker 6: kids demonstrating for hamas they are in with the terrorists

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Speaker 6: they were for the Palestinians. Well, it's sort of the

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Speaker 6: same cause.

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Speaker 3: Why are you.

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Speaker 6: I'm on the side of the kids. Yeah, that's easy

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Speaker 6: to say. You know, no one wants to see kids dead. Uh,

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Speaker 6: this is a war. Is very brave of you to

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Speaker 6: say this is a this is a ward. No, I'm

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Speaker 6: the one who's actually brave on this.

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Speaker 7: It's at yourself on the bed. Easy to say I'm

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Speaker 7: for the kids. Who's not for the kids? It comes

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Speaker 7: down to real hard nosed decisions like a country. I'm

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Speaker 7: talking like your general country got attacked. Israel got attacked.

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Speaker 8: I'm not saying that they didn't have a right to

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Speaker 8: go back. I'm just sitting there going like, how do

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Speaker 8: I look at the.

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Speaker 6: Well, the only country in the world that they get

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Speaker 6: attacked and then as soon as they counterattack, it's like, well,

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Speaker 6: we got to stop this ship.

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Speaker 3: Now, don't attack them.

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Speaker 6: Is a very simple solution to all this problem in

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Speaker 6: the Middle East.

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Speaker 3: Stop attacking Israel. Hey, you stop attacking Israel, which I do.

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Speaker 6: I actually think that's fantastic anyway, all right, we don't

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Speaker 6: need to get that.

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Speaker 3: Let let's go to Russia and the Ukraine. How do

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Speaker 3: you solve that one?

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Speaker 1: Bill?

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Speaker 3: Let me hear your hard.

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Speaker 8: Knows decision about that. Well, let me ask you a question,

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Speaker 8: how is war still legal? All the shit that's been

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Speaker 8: canceled legal? Why is that still fucking legal?

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Speaker 3: Would you like a real answer to that?

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Speaker 6: Because for something to be illegal, you have to have

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Speaker 6: the capacity to enforce it, and you can't enforce against

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Speaker 6: war or else you have to go to war with

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Speaker 6: to go to war with Russia over Ukraine. What would

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Speaker 6: be the sense of making it illegal that's really going

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Speaker 6: to stop putin? No, to stop people from going to war,

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Speaker 6: you have to also put down and talk it out.

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Speaker 8: Why can't putent do a podcast with the head guy

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Speaker 8: like you just solve the Middle East on a podcast.

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Speaker 8: Why can't they solve what they're doing on a podcast?

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Speaker 8: Makes why this is not yours? Makes makes some hard

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Speaker 8: nice just not your thing?

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Speaker 5: It's what you need?

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Speaker 3: It is it isn't.

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Speaker 8: You're like that guy that has a fantasy football team

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Speaker 8: and thinks he's a fucking GM. No, that's exactly what

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Speaker 8: it is, Like, why am I fucking listening to you?

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Speaker 3: Like like you've done something? What have you done in Washington? Nothing?

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Speaker 3: That is a great point, Bill Martin, this thing that's

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Speaker 3: your thing, just getting high like mouthing off.

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Speaker 4: I was just saying, yes, which is really your thing.

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Speaker 3: But it would be like me saying that I'm some

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Speaker 4: I mean you you regularly have covered that, You've been there,

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Speaker 5: It qualifies.

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Speaker 4: But I feel like Bill mahert here really has celebrity

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Speaker 4: when he's sort of like in this very patronizing way

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Speaker 5: My thing.

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Speaker 4: Your opinion counts as less because I'm.

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Speaker 5: A talk show host.

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Speaker 3: There was an interesting window into his mind in Bill

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Speaker 3: Maher's mind for a moment there where Bill Burr says,

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Speaker 3: I'm with the kids. Bill Maher had just said the

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Speaker 3: kids are supporting Hamas or whatever, and they're protesting. He

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Speaker 3: was Bill Burr was referring to the college kids. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: because Biller had just said the kids, right, Bill Maher's mind,

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Speaker 3: in his mind, he thinks he's saying that I'm with

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Speaker 3: the kids who are being slaughtered by Israel.

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Speaker 5: That's what I Yeah, that's how I interpreted to.

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Speaker 3: Bill Maher's mind went to the kids being slaughtered and

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Speaker 3: then said I'm the courageous one because I'm okay with

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Speaker 3: all these kids. Was fascinating, and it was really high. Well, yeah, clearly,

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Speaker 3: but that's a window into like I mean, he's high

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Speaker 3: philosophical question about which Bill maher mind exists. And I

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Speaker 4: I also found that interesting because he was they were

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Speaker 4: They had both used the word kids in relation to

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Speaker 4: he jumped on Bill Burr from oh you you say

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Speaker 4: back and just driving the knife further with that last

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Speaker 3: Yeah, why am I listening to you? It is a

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Speaker 3: very good question, Like why on earth? I mean, because

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Speaker 3: it's funny, I guess to watch these two people hopefully,

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Speaker 4: I actually think one of the great one of the

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Speaker 4: been the ascension of like the everyman take on politics.

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Speaker 4: That's like amplified more than it had been.

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Speaker 3: In the way Aaron Rodgers and Joe Rogan yesterday.

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Speaker 4: Great Tucker Carlson, but Aaron Rodgers is like a great

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Speaker 4: But it's I mean, like again, part of the problem

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Speaker 4: always right, but sometimes those casual conversations are actually pretty

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Speaker 4: interesting because you get Bill Maher then to like almost

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Speaker 4: I think he did even lean over and like touch him,

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Speaker 3: I got this and so. And nobody's actually in their

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Speaker 3: heart against gatekeeping. They just want to let different people

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Speaker 4: So yeah, I say, I'll let Aaron Rodgers to the

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Speaker 5: There you go, I'm on through.

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Speaker 4: Let's do it. We'll have that conversation. But anyway, it's

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Speaker 5: It is all right.

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Speaker 4: Well, we're moving on now to an incredible interview that

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Speaker 4: you set up. I am excited to talk to Monica Johnston.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, stick around. Monica is a Canadian nurse who now

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Speaker 3: lives in Oregon. She's in a hospital in Conunis called

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Speaker 3: still trapped there. She's going to tell us what it's

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Speaker 3: like in the European Hospital. Stick around for that. We

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Speaker 3: are joined now from the European Hospital in conmunist Gaza

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Speaker 3: by Monica Johnston Johnson from Canada currently lives in Oregon,

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Speaker 3: but is in Conunis at the moment. Monica, thank you

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Speaker 1: Thank you for having me so.

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Speaker 3: We reported earlier this week about the situation for you

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Speaker 3: Conunis is Israel. By taking over the Rafa border and

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Speaker 3: Yesterday when we spoke, you said the un was going

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's exactly right, how you said that.

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Speaker 9: So the UN did make their trial run on Monday,

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Speaker 3: And you would also told me that they were going

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Speaker 3: describe why that is? And how do these how do

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Speaker 9: Absolutely, I really don't understand the reasoning. I know there's

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Speaker 9: not sure if it's the IDF for who's limiting the

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Speaker 9: amount of people in each convoy.

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Speaker 1: But and then the prioritization.

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Speaker 9: So when we did get word that our convoy was

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Speaker 9: going to be leaving on when Sorry, it's.

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Speaker 1: Hard to keep track of the days here. This is

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Speaker 1: why we need.

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Speaker 9: Relief on Tuesday that none of our team members were

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Speaker 9: selected for that convoy based on some kind of priorities

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Speaker 9: that the WHO.

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Speaker 1: Has which we're not privy to. So the reason we

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Speaker 1: do need that relief is because you know, we're exhausted,

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Speaker 1: but we can't just leave and abandon the people here.

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Speaker 9: Many units are working with only nursing students. Many units

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Speaker 4: And speaking of the you know, actually kind of shifting

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Speaker 3: And so I noticed in a video that you had

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Speaker 9: Any of us have just been hit with gastroentritis, so

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Speaker 9: So lots of tragic amputations, so explosions and they lose

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Speaker 9: Very simply what they have access to is nothing, you know,

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Speaker 1: That no one can survive.

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Speaker 9: On that, let alone someone who has an extensive injury.

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Speaker 9: Our patients back in America, you know, they fight with

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Speaker 1: You just physically can't consume that amount of calories.

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Speaker 3: And somebody from your mission sent us video and control

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Speaker 9: This morning at six point thirty am was the largest

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Speaker 3: I assume that some of the medical staff who were

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Speaker 9: So some of the other hospitals, you know, it's just infrastructure.

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Speaker 1: This one there's been just so much chaos.

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Speaker 9: But I think it's you know, you think of all

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Speaker 3: As you're thinking about the possibility of leaving, Like how

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Speaker 9: Now, this team has been so so amazing.

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Speaker 9: Everybody cares so much about the Palestinian people here. We're

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Speaker 1: But that does mean replacement of not only personnel, but supplies.

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Speaker 9: Like you see them and they have nothing, and they're

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Speaker 9: So, yeah, the understaff we've we've gone into the ICU

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Speaker 9: And I eventually got out from or that. When the

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Speaker 9: People are dying, and things aren't getting caught. Just a

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Speaker 1: I know it needs to be done, but I have

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Speaker 1: nothing to do it with.

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Speaker 3: What's the prospect for you before we let you go?

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Speaker 3: What's when? When? When do you expect that you, you

448
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Speaker 3: and your team will be able to get out and

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Speaker 3: get swapped in with a new mission.

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Speaker 9: You know, we have our next team sitting in Egypt waiting.

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Speaker 9: I personally have just kind of settled in.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 9: You know, we're promised daily that tomorrow we'll get a

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Speaker 9: convoy out.

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Speaker 1: I can't think about that, you know.

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Speaker 9: I'm just taking care of the people here and taking

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Speaker 9: care of my team.

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Speaker 1: And myself right now.

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Speaker 3: Well, if and when you do get on that convoy,

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Speaker 3: we we all desperately hope that the IDF does not

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Speaker 3: fire on it. I hope that the attention that is

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Speaker 3: finally being paid to this at least helps a little bit.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well, Nurse Johnson, thank you so much for everything you're doing.

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Speaker 3: Deeply appreciate it, Appreciate your time. All right. That was

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Speaker 3: Nurse Monica Johnston, who's volunteering at the European hospital and

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Speaker 3: stranded there by Israel siege. Meanwhile, here in the United States,

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Speaker 3: if you can put up this next element, the Wall

469
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Speaker 3: Street Journal broke the news that President Joe Biden is

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Speaker 3: moving forward with another billion dollars in new weapons for

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Speaker 3: the very military that is besieging American medical staff in

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Speaker 3: Gaza at the moment, to be spent mostly on tank shells, mortars,

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Speaker 3: and other offensive weapons, not just for Gaza presumably, but

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Speaker 3: also for the saber rattling that Israel is doing worth

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Speaker 3: with Lebanon. So this comes after, you know, Biden and

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Speaker 3: the White House made big news by saying that they

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Speaker 3: were stopping a shipment of three thousand, five hundred bombs

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Speaker 3: in retaliation basically for Netanyahu rebuffing every American public attempt,

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Speaker 3: I say public attempt rather than private attempt to stop

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Speaker 3: them from launching this rafa invasion that is killing all

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Speaker 3: of the people that that nurse Johnson just described to us. Afterwards,

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Speaker 3: Young Kirby said, look, Israel's getting all the weapons that

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Speaker 3: it needs. I don't understand what everybody's so upset about,

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Speaker 3: because we stopped these this one shipment of three thousand,

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Speaker 3: five hundred bombs. There are other reports that Israel was saying, look,

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Speaker 3: we already have all the weapons we need to invade Rafa.

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Speaker 3: Now doesn't mean it's not a symbolic shift perhaps, but

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Speaker 3: that doesn't help the people who are going to be

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Speaker 3: on the receiving end of these tank shells. I don't think.

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Speaker 4: And so Acxios has this morning as well that Yahoo

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Speaker 4: has been ranting that Israel quote isn't a vassal state

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Speaker 4: of the United States, which.

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Speaker 3: I meant this point.

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Speaker 5: It's so he says.

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Speaker 4: According to one of his aids, he said, we are

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Speaker 4: not a vassal state of the United States. According to

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Speaker 4: three people of his remarks, including with knowledge of his remarks,

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Speaker 4: including one of his aids, this was in on a

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Speaker 4: rant in a meeting with his security cabinet. So obviously

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Speaker 4: the relationship has actually put it here is quote strained

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Speaker 4: at the moment, and Biden is trying to deal with

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Speaker 4: that in different ways that I have that are amounting

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Speaker 4: to this is nothing new but a completely inconsistent hodgepodge

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Speaker 4: policy towards this war that makes absolutely no sense.

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Speaker 3: And this is what I don't get. Okay, you're not

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Speaker 3: a vassal state. Fine, then arm yourself.

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Speaker 4: Well, they arm yourself in don't repeatedly say over and

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Speaker 4: over again that we could not fight this war without

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Speaker 4: the Americans. And so if you can't fight a war

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Speaker 4: that is existential, And I agree, I think this is

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Speaker 4: I think Israel faces existential threats from people around it,

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Speaker 4: And we may disagree in that, but I think that's true.

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Speaker 4: But you know Netanyahu, his security cabinet that said the

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Speaker 4: stakes of this war are existential, and we can't do

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Speaker 4: it without the Americans.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I think also destiny. Actually a good

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Speaker 3: point that he made in that debate that we had

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Speaker 3: was it's no longer existential that they are an industrial economy,

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Speaker 3: like they're powerful enough on their own.

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Speaker 5: That American supports not existential.

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Speaker 3: That in general, like Lebanon's not going to overrun them.

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Speaker 3: Hamas with whatever ten thousand fighters it's got left, is

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Speaker 3: not going to overrun them. Jordan's certainly isn't in any

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Speaker 3: mood to go to war with Egypt is not invading

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Speaker 3: Saudi Arabia, and the UAE just want to do business

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Speaker 3: like their place is secure. In that sense, It's not

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Speaker 3: like nineteen seventy three where you have Arab states who

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Speaker 3: are actually like will willing to like launch a military

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Speaker 3: invasion that that's over, Like that's done even without I

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Speaker 3: think American military support anymore. And a mass just doesn't

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Speaker 3: have the potential. And the Palestinian authority is a subcon

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Speaker 3: contractor of the Israeli government, So I've been many subcontracts,

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Speaker 3: subcontractors who have kind of taken over government. So that's

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Speaker 3: that's unlikely. Yeah, but yeah, tactical vehicles, mortar shells, tank shells,

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Speaker 3: all of the weapons that they're using to just annihilate RAFA,

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Speaker 3: and that we're going to send a billion a billion

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Speaker 3: dollars more, nice round number.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's the same thing with the Biden Do you

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Speaker 4: care about what are defined internationally as war crimes or not?

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Speaker 4: I mean they care about it when it's putin, they

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Speaker 4: don't care about it. It's just obviously everyone knows at

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Speaker 4: this point that it's bullshit. But it's a Biden administration

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Speaker 4: that continues to enforce these like bullshit ideas about how

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Speaker 4: the war is being prosecuted and what international law is

545
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Speaker 4: supposed to look like when it's convenient and again not

546
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Speaker 4: new in American politics, not new in world politics, but

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Speaker 4: to maintain that posture and to have it, you know,

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Speaker 4: informing armshipments and very specific policy details in such an

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Speaker 4: uneven and inconsistent way just politically even for Biden a

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Speaker 4: disaster let alone, you know what it's actually doing in

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Speaker 4: the war.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and the American Medical Mission is an interesting proxy

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Speaker 3: on this. Hn Kaudrey and I over at the Intercept

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Speaker 3: broke this news on Monday that was that this was happening,

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Speaker 3: and it's it's an interesting proxy. Not in the sense

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Speaker 3: that American lives are inherently worth more than Palestinian lives.

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Speaker 3: They aren't. And I spoke previously with Nurse Johnson and

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Speaker 3: she was saying the same thing that she can tell

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Speaker 3: just that politically that everybody just acknowledges that American lives

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Speaker 3: are more valuable than Palestinian lives, including the Palestinians. That

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Speaker 3: the Palestinians will say, we really hope that if you leave,

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Speaker 3: that other Westerners come in and replace you, because otherwise

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Speaker 3: we're all going to be slaughtered like we need like

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Speaker 3: those are that's those are actual human shields, like Americans

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Speaker 3: shielding other civilians because the thinking is that the IDF

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Speaker 3: is not willing to kill in mass American citizens but

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Speaker 3: that thinking is even being challenged, like the UN convoy

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Speaker 3: was fired on Monday, killing a foreign driver of that vehicle.

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Speaker 3: Now they're having intense difficulties. So we broke this on Monday,

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Speaker 3: Washington Post, and we see others have since followed up

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Speaker 3: in the reporting. Yeah, so it's it's a global story

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Speaker 3: at this point. People know that there are these American

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Speaker 3: citizens and Canadian citizens trapped in this hospital. If netnya

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Speaker 3: who cared, he could do he could easily resolve this situation.

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Speaker 3: They control this area. Okay, seven minute drive from that

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Speaker 3: hospital to Rafa, they control the border crossing Monica could

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Speaker 3: be out within the next hour. If Netnah who cared

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Speaker 3: and net Yah who knows that they're trapped there, they

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Speaker 3: don't have the supplies they need, that the American citizens

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Speaker 3: and Canadian citizens are themselves facing serious health complications, and

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Speaker 3: instead she's woken up by the biggest shelling that she's

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Speaker 3: ever heard since being there at six thirty this morning.

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Speaker 3: He knows they're there, and they're shelling right nearby. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: they're being told to stay away from windows, and it

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Speaker 3: really does upend this assumption that your American passport or

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Speaker 3: your Canadian passport gives you any protection even as we're

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Speaker 3: sending them another billion dollars in weapons, and.

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Speaker 4: You know, just as we're because you have been an interesting,

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Speaker 4: more interesting reporting to talk about. But as we're wrapping

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Speaker 4: this up, there are how many American hostages about five

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Speaker 4: American hostages that are still remaining and barely even talk

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Speaker 4: about that. But you know, speaking of on that point,

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Speaker 4: a producer, Max sent a tweet from Dennis Ross yesterday

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Speaker 4: where he says, one thing is clear, the fact that

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Speaker 4: the idea of has to go back into Jibalia and

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Speaker 4: other places in zuman units.

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Speaker 5: Actually, speaking of what we were just talking about with Nurse.

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Speaker 4: Johnston is a reminder that no plan existed for what

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Speaker 4: would replace Hamas. Yes, Hamas is weakened, but without an

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Speaker 4: alternative to it, it will fill the vacuum. And Israel

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Speaker 4: needs an answer. So from the interest of the United States,

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Speaker 4: the American hostages that are still being held, American aid

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Speaker 4: workers that you reported on shouldn't.

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Speaker 3: Held hostage being how should more American hostages in that

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Speaker 3: hospital than being held by Hamas.

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Speaker 4: Now And just from the pure perspective of again the

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Speaker 4: interests of actual Americans over there, But how has Biden

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Speaker 4: handled this situation. How does the Biden administration advanced American

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Speaker 4: interests in this situation?

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Speaker 5: Pretty damning.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, as Biden said, if you harm an American, we'll respond. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: terms and conditions apply, Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: All right, Ray, you have some more reporting on a

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Speaker 4: PAK in the United States in the campaign atmosphere as

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Speaker 4: recreding into November.

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Speaker 5: What have you got?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I'm all worked up about this. Let's talk

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Speaker 3: about APAX influence in the third Congressional District out in Oregon.

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Speaker 3: About two weeks ago, two candidates in an Oregon congressional

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Speaker 3: race held a rare joint press conference where they leveled

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Speaker 3: a charge against a third candidate. Take a listen to

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Speaker 3: the local news coverage.

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Speaker 11: Moving on, we wanted to bring you an update now

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Speaker 11: to a story we told you about last night, the

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Speaker 11: heated three way race for the third congressional district in

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Speaker 11: Oregon that's Earl Blumenauer's seat in Congress. Last week, two

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Speaker 11: of the candidates, Shushila Jayapaul and Eddie Morales, held her

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Speaker 11: a press conference accusing the candidate, Maxine Dexter, of taking

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Speaker 11: dark money washed through a super pac called three fourteen Action.

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Speaker 11: They claimed without any evidence that three fourteen Action could

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Speaker 11: be a front for far right donors looking to take

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Speaker 11: them out of the race.

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Speaker 3: The candidate getting all that dark Bunny support is Maxine Dexter,

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Speaker 3: a state representative and local doctor. At a debate, she

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Speaker 3: was pressed by her opponent Eddie Morales to name the

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Speaker 3: source of the funding. Take a listen.

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Speaker 12: I want to spend the last second of mine asking Maxine, MAXI,

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Speaker 12: will you look at the camera until Auction three, one, five,

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Speaker 12: three or four Action to disclose their donors before May twentieth?

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Speaker 5: Do you yes? I observedly answer the question.

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Speaker 10: It is absolutely They are legally obligated to.

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Speaker 5: Disclose there before the day before the election.

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Speaker 10: Eddie, you understand as well as I do.

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Speaker 12: This is the public forum. You can tell them and

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Speaker 12: this is.

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Speaker 10: It is a public forum. And I believe in discussion

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Speaker 10: and deliberation.

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Speaker 11: Enom funding.

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Speaker 5: You absolutely not.

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Speaker 3: I've not taken Okay, I have to there, but I

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Speaker 3: need to let Nextine have a final word here.

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Speaker 10: I will just say that this entire thing is frankly absurd.

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Speaker 10: I have put my values on record. I have four

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Speaker 10: years of voting records on progressive values. I have stood

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Speaker 10: firm with people who have supported me, and against people

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Speaker 10: who have supported me. I took an oath of office,

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Speaker 10: and I've taken an oath as a physician to keep

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Speaker 10: people at the center and do no harm. My integrity

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Speaker 10: is frankly being questioned here, which is absolutely offensive.

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Speaker 3: All right, Well, we don't want to offend anybody, and

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Speaker 3: of course anybody accused of anything without evidence ought to

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Speaker 3: have a chance to defend themselves. So let's take a

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Speaker 3: closer look. And to be fair to accusers, it did

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Speaker 3: look off random. State representatives don't generally find themselves on

666
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Speaker 3: the winning end of millions of dollars of super pac

667
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Speaker 3: spending for no reason. And Soshilajyapaul the candidate in the middle.

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Speaker 3: There is the older sister of Promilagia Paul, one of

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Speaker 3: apacs most concerted adversaries on Capitol Hill and the powerful

670
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Speaker 3: chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus. APAC had been unsuccessfully

671
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Speaker 3: recruiting a challenger to Primilagiapoul in her Seattle district. Now,

672
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Speaker 3: looking for clues as to who might be funding the

673
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Speaker 3: dark money operation, you could turn to the news outlet

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Speaker 3: Jewish Insider, which does a great job covering congressional primaries

675
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Speaker 3: through an Israel Palestine prism. In early December, Jewish Insider

676
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 3: flagged Sushila Jyapaul's candidacy as alarming to Israel advocates, elevating

677
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Speaker 3: the potential candidacy of Dexter as a strong opponent. So

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Speaker 3: after a few days of reporting, I confirmed it was

679
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 3: indeed APAC, and I found two sources who had knowledge

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Speaker 3: of how specifically APAK had begun playing in the race

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Speaker 3: without disclosing its role. It was routing money indeed through

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Speaker 3: the Pro Science quote unquote Pro Science superPAC called three

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Speaker 3: fourteen Action Fund. So I published that story on May

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Speaker 3: tenth at the Intercept. Now here's our friends at the

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Speaker 3: local TV station again. Three Fourteen's response.

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Speaker 11: Jaiapaul and Morales are demanding that Dexter tell three fourteen

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Speaker 11: Action to reveal the donors. Now they say they think

688
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,839
Speaker 11: they could be related to pro Israel group APAK, and

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Speaker 11: some recent reporting from the news outlet The Intercept supports

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Speaker 11: that claim. We reached out to three fourteen Action Group

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Speaker 11: yesterday and they did respond to us. We asked if

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Speaker 11: MAGA Republicans are among their donors. They didn't outright say no,

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Speaker 11: but they did say that they've spent tens of millions

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Speaker 11: of dollars backing other Democrats to defeat mega Republicans in

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Speaker 11: other states. They also said there's no evidence to support

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Speaker 11: a claim that APAK is among their donors, and that

697
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Speaker 11: they disclose their donors every reporting cycle and follow the

698
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Speaker 11: letter of the law. So again not outright denying that

699
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Speaker 11: APAC is involved, just there's no evidence there yet.

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Speaker 3: So the Portland Mercury did some strong follow up reporting

701
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Speaker 3: on the race midweek, but Maxine Dexter continued to profess

702
00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 3: ignorance even in the face of that reporting. But then

703
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 3: undeniable pieces of evidence began to emerge. While the Superpacks

704
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 3: aren't required to disclose their donors until the day before

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Speaker 3: the election, the candidate herself has to disclose regularly down

706
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Speaker 3: the campaign stretch, so she had to produce what's called

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Speaker 3: a forty eight hour report after a May seventh fundraiser.

708
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 3: Now at that fundraiser, of the nearly eighty donors who

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Speaker 3: gave that day, nearly ninety percent are also donors to

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Speaker 3: a pack. In other words, it was an Apack fundraiser,

711
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Speaker 3: which you can find out just by searching the names

712
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Speaker 3: of those donors on the site there. The next day,

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Speaker 3: Dexter disclosed having raised nearly six hundred thousand dollars in

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Speaker 3: the month of April, after raising just about three hundred

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Speaker 3: thousand dollars during her entire campaign before that. Doubling or

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Speaker 3: tripling your fundraising in the last few weeks of the

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Speaker 3: race is not typical. That is not normal. And inside

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Speaker 3: that six hundred thousand dollars were scores of additional Apack donors.

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Speaker 3: Of the ones we checked, we gave up after while

720
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Speaker 3: because it was it was pointless. It was very obvious

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Speaker 3: what was going on. But Okay, maybe it's a huge

722
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Speaker 3: coincidence that Apack donors are giving to her campaign, but

723
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Speaker 3: it's not a packed donors who are behind the super

724
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Speaker 3: Pac spending. How do we know Apak actually organized all this? Well.

725
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Speaker 3: I called one of the donors on the list and

726
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Speaker 3: got through to her. This is Jney Dallisman. At first

727
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Speaker 3: she said she didn't remember giving to Dexter at all.

728
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Speaker 3: When I told her the three thy three hundred dollars

729
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Speaker 3: donation of hers was in the FEC records, it clicked

730
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Speaker 3: for her. She said, quote, I give all of my

731
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Speaker 3: contributions through a pack whenever I am asked to give

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Speaker 3: to their endorsed candidates. I give so Dexter is an

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Speaker 3: endorsed candidate, even though that's not public. If that wasn't

734
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Speaker 3: enough to put the pieces together, a staffer at three

735
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Speaker 3: fourteen Action Fund, angry that a pack ostensibly dedicated to

736
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Speaker 3: electing candidates with a science background was having its mission

737
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Speaker 3: distorted to support pro Israel candidates, reached out to me

738
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Speaker 3: to share inside information. They told me directly about the

739
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Speaker 3: nature of the APACK driven operation. It was a pack.

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Speaker 3: Three fourteen took to Twitter to respond to my article,

741
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 3: but did so four minutes before I even published it,

742
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Speaker 3: and they accidentally denied the wrong thing they wrote here.

743
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Speaker 3: Ryan Graham from The Intercept is once again making up

744
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Speaker 3: stories out of thin air. His latest accusation that three

745
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Speaker 3: fourteen Action is a front group, or that three fourteen

746
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 3: will be spending against Representative Corey Bush as a complete fabrication.

747
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Speaker 3: But I had not, in fact reported that three fourteen

748
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Speaker 3: Action was expanding its campaign to target Bush directly. I

749
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 3: reported that three fourteen, with the heat on them, was

750
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Speaker 3: planning to set up a shell pack they could funnel

751
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Speaker 3: APAC money through, and so Emily, I think what's going

752
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Speaker 3: on here. So if you're trying, here's the question people

753
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 3: would ask, like, if you try to put together this

754
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 3: plan that you're that voters are not going to find

755
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 3: out that it's a PAC money until May twentieth, and

756
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:58,280
Speaker 3: the election is May twenty first, and Oregon is mail balloting,

757
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 3: so everybody basically will voted by that's late enough. Why

758
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 3: would you schedule a May seventh fundraiser when you know

759
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Speaker 3: you're going to have to disclose those donors forty eight

760
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 3: hours later? And from what I've heard from people involved

761
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 3: in this is that they thought they would get away

762
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Speaker 3: with it, that nobody would notice that it's Oregon, it's

763
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Speaker 3: a small race, it's a small race. Who cares not

764
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Speaker 3: even an incumbent. It's an incumbent sister, but it's not

765
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Speaker 3: an incumbent.

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Speaker 5: Presumably has nothing to do with foreign policy.

767
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like the race is about homelessness, basically, Like

768
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 3: that's the big issue that they're that they're running their

769
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Speaker 3: ads on. The APAC funded ads are hitting Giapaul because

770
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Speaker 3: she was on the County Commission, and the County Commission

771
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 3: did a legitimately terrible job when it comes to a homelessness.

772
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Speaker 3: So actually that's like, that's a clean hit. It's just

773
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 3: let's not pretend that APAC cares like that's not their mission.

774
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:52,760
Speaker 3: Their mission is not to eradicate homelessness in Portland.

775
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Speaker 5: Why does APAC care about this?

776
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Speaker 3: Seriously, from everything I've been able to gather, a Giapaul

777
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:04,760
Speaker 3: is no a It supports an immediate ceasefire and is generally,

778
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 3: you know, sympathetic with the pill Palst and cause and

779
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 3: critical of apacad. She doesn't want a PAC money, et cetera.

780
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 3: But it's it's it's to get at Pramila Giapaul, I

781
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 3: see because Pramila that makes more sense. So the Squad

782
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 3: are their most outspoken kind of opponents that are elevated

783
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 3: in the press. But Giapaul has more power in the

784
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:30,280
Speaker 3: caucus itself, ninety to one hundred members of Progressive Caucus.

785
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 3: She shares that caucus. She has a direct line to

786
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 3: the White House's She can make things happen in ways

787
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 3: that members of the Squad can't. They and according to

788
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 3: my reporting, they very much tried to recruit an opponent

789
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,959
Speaker 3: to her. They ran polling in Seattle trying to find

790
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 3: ways that that she would be soft. They would have

791
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:53,800
Speaker 3: been willing to spend I'm sure million, many millions of dollars.

792
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 3: They're spending twenty plus million to take out Jamal Bowman.

793
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 3: They could spend millions to take out Giapoul, but they

794
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 3: couldn't find a challenger. They have, she got one challenger

795
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 3: at the very last minute. But the person seems like

796
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 3: a bit of a crank, like running in like four

797
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 3: different races. Is the very outspoken pro is real person

798
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 3: in that But it's I don't think that's an APAC recruit.

799
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:18,359
Speaker 3: And so if you can't go after Giapaul directly in Seattle, hey,

800
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 3: here's her sister who I should have played audio of her.

801
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 3: You saw she looks just like her. She also sounds

802
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 3: just like her. You're like, there's no way that's a

803
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 3: different person.

804
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 4: It's got to be the same person. Once agains are wrong.

805
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 3: Right, sources are wrong. So but I think the reason

806
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 3: that they held the APEC fundraiser on the seventh is

807
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 3: that they knew they'd have to disclose, but they didn't

808
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 3: think anybody care by that point, right, and then okay,

809
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 3: maybe somebody flags it in the by May ninth. At

810
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 3: that point it takes a week to report it out. Now,

811
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 3: it's towards now it's basically election day, and because you

812
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 3: need the reporting early enough that the candidates can then

813
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 3: get it out to voters not all watching counterpoints and

814
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 3: reading the intercept, but they should be. But believe or not,

815
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 3: they're not, so you have to so there has to

816
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 3: be the local news has to pick it up, which

817
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 3: is which is now starting to happen. Uh. The sheer

818
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 3: amount of money being spent probably is enough to overwhelm

819
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 3: and elect Dexter.

820
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:19,240
Speaker 5: It's a crazy amount.

821
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Speaker 3: I mean, it might blow back now that it's now

822
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 3: that it's out and the local press is finally starting

823
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 3: to cover it in a in a better way. You

824
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 3: saw that one because they that that news outlet had

825
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 3: done some dismissive reporting in the past, saying like, oh

826
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 3: this is there's nothing to this, but now they're But

827
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 3: now when they got three fourteen's response, they're like, hmm.

828
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Speaker 5: Maybe Ryan Groom sources.

829
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Speaker 3: Are right, Maybe are right, this is this is actually

830
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 3: not a denial, because that's the funny thing. Just disclose

831
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Speaker 3: your donor Yeah, of course. And I think three fourteen

832
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 3: went so aggressive in its public response because they didn't

833
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 3: know that I had an internal source of theirs, and

834
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:59,399
Speaker 3: so just a note for the organizations, like wait until

835
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:02,879
Speaker 3: the article comes out, or call me like I emailed them,

836
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:05,839
Speaker 3: like gave my number, call me then you can find

837
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 3: out what I've got and then you can shape your

838
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 3: response instead. I've never seen a more desperate and guilty

839
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 3: looking response.

840
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 4: I like how they responded to the wrong thing too. Yeah,

841
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 4: it's just great all around.

842
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 1: Right.

843
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 3: And the other reason they wouldn't endorse directly through three

844
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 3: fourteen action with Bush is that Bush's opponent is Guy

845
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 3: Wesley Bell, who's a prosecutor. He's not a scientist, like

846
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 3: they're supposed to only endorse scientists and doctors, So they'd

847
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 3: have to set up a different pack. There's one in

848
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 3: Portland called Americans for Responsive Government No No Voters for

849
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:45,720
Speaker 3: Responsive Government. That they registered it on April first, because

850
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 3: if you registered it on March thirty first, then they

851
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 3: would have to disclose by the end of the month.

852
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 3: April first means they don't have to disclose until May twentieth. Now,

853
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 3: let's give APEC credit where it's due. They beat the

854
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 3: Capitol police officer, Harry Dunn. They did in Maryland's third

855
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 3: district last night for some reason, and people still to

856
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 3: this day do not know why they decided to spend

857
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:13,439
Speaker 3: millions of dollars backing local state legislator Sarah Elfreth. Harry

858
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 3: Dunn had never really said anything critical of Israel. Why

859
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 3: they decided to make a January sixth Capitol police officer,

860
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:26,800
Speaker 3: the guy that they spent millions of target is actually

861
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 3: unknown at this point. They also try to beat this Democrat,

862
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 3: Dave min in a primary in California, who also had

863
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 3: not said anything. Both of them non white, and there's

864
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 3: some suspicion that like, if you are non white, APAC

865
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 3: believes APAK is suspicious of your politics when it comes

866
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 3: to Palestinians until otherwise, until proven otherwise. They've done a

867
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 3: trip there and you know, done your I would be

868
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 3: nice if they would tell us. They don't they they

869
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:04,720
Speaker 3: don't tell us. But the most fun news out of Maryland,

870
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 3: as we talked about at the top of the show,

871
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 3: is that David Trone, Yeah it was a good one,

872
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 3: lost to Angela also Brooks. David Trone is the owner

873
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 3: of Total Wine, which great store. Terrible person. He's famously

874
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 3: spent like something like fourteen million dollars trying to win

875
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 3: Jamie Raskin's seat.

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Speaker 5: I thought it was more than that.

877
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 3: It might have been he, but this is a primary,

878
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 3: a House primary. Not only did he lose to Raskin,

879
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 3: he lost to Chris Matthews's wife, who got finished second,

880
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 3: who was a famous local news anchor in her own

881
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 3: right in DC. He finished third, not only spending the

882
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 3: most money to lose a House primary in history, didn't

883
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 3: even finish the second. So then he switched and he

884
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 3: moved out to western Maryland and John Delaney left office,

885
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 3: so he was able to buy his way into that seat.

886
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 3: Tried to spend sixty plus million dollars to win the

887
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 3: Senate seat. Everybody thought it was his to win, but

888
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 3: Angela also Brooks beat him. She won with basically basically

889
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 3: Baltimore City PG and Charles County in Maryland, but she

890
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 3: also take a little Kent County prerogative. She's currently tied,

891
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 3: so I'm from king went to Kent County High School.

892
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 3: Kent County is a small county over on the very rural,

893
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:27,359
Speaker 3: small county over on the eastern Shore. I haven't checked

894
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 3: the very latest. When I checked this morning, she was

895
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 3: tied seven two to seven twenty two in the in

896
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 3: Kent County with Trone, So I don't even have to

897
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 3: ask my mom. I'm sure she was also Brooks.

898
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, so they're now fifty four to forty one point nine,

899
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:49,759
Speaker 4: So fifty four to forty two roughly overall, and then

900
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 4: in Kent.

901
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 5: It's forty eight forty eight right now.

902
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:57,360
Speaker 3: Do they have the vote totals? It was flairity.

903
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 4: We've see about fifteen hundred total votes right now. Okay, yeah,

904
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:04,320
Speaker 4: so it's dead. He high ballgame in Kent County.

905
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 5: As a wise woman once said.

906
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:07,360
Speaker 3: There's no Total Wine in Kent County.

907
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 5: Money can't buy you class.

908
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 3: Money can't buy you class. It's true, It's it's awesome.

909
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 3: It's great to see Trone beaten.

910
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 5: It's always good to see money.

911
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 3: Yes, not win the day the stole, like the Stoller's

912
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 3: anti monopoly crowd went after Trone and a super pack

913
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:29,799
Speaker 3: basically launched a campaign hitting him on anti trust stuff.

914
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 5: Because anti trust super.

915
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:36,799
Speaker 3: Pack, Yeah, because Total Wine is engaged in all sorts

916
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:40,840
Speaker 3: of anti trust violations allegedly and is in the process

917
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 3: of getting prosecuted basically, and so and Trone politically is

918
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 3: like an anti anti trust. He's a pro trust. He's

919
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:52,720
Speaker 3: for trusts because he is a he is a trust owner,

920
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 3: he owns a trust and so allegedly, basically, what the

921
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 3: Total Wine does is it suppressed, is it it punishes

922
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 3: supple and it gets better, It gets better deals on

923
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:06,279
Speaker 3: booze than the mom and pops do. And it was

924
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 3: allegedly enforcing that in a pretty kind of ruthless way.

925
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:17,320
Speaker 3: And what's amazing is during this campaign, David Trone's company

926
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:24,320
Speaker 3: sued the Biden administration in relation to this fight that

927
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 3: they're having. So a Democratic senator running for a Democratic

928
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 3: Senate seat sued the Democratic president over anti trust policy

929
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 3: while he was running for Senate. Democratic voters said no,

930
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 3: so good for them.

931
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 4: I was going to say that this segment was peak Portland,

932
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:45,840
Speaker 4: but it has now become peak Ryan Grimm because what

933
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 4: started as a deep investigation into the various meddling of

934
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 4: a pac turned into a rant about the pro trust

935
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:59,879
Speaker 4: organization structurally of Total Wine.

936
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 3: I'm not sure how we got there, but you.

937
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 5: Didn't see it coming. That was a Shamalan style.

938
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 3: But here it's all about big money.

939
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:11,839
Speaker 5: All about big money. Yeah, that's the overhanging.

940
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:14,360
Speaker 3: And so the election is May twenty first in Portland

941
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 3: we'll see, like if they lose this despite spending millions

942
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 3: of dollars against Jaya Paul, that would be a huge

943
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 3: blow to them because that would leave them with just

944
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 3: Harry Dunn so far as the person they beat. They

945
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 3: and the January sixth protesters are the only ones that

946
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:36,479
Speaker 3: have beaten Harry done and nobody else.

947
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 4: Well, best of luck to Apak going forward. And that

948
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 4: does it for us on today's Wednesday edition of Counterpoints.

949
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 4: But of course we now do a wonderful Friday show

950
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 4: and that will be this week conversation with betto Work.

951
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 4: I imagine they'll be some debate back and forth. We

952
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 4: haven't taped it yet, but a conversation with Betoo Work

953
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 4: on the border, and that's really exciting.

954
00:52:58,520 --> 00:52:59,279
Speaker 5: I really appreciate you.

955
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:03,320
Speaker 3: Setting that up right, Yeah, love Betto. I uh first

956
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:07,840
Speaker 3: interviewed Beto when he was a El Paso City councilman

957
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:15,360
Speaker 3: because he was pushing a pot legalization initiative referendum in

958
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 3: like not a reference, just a little resolution in like

959
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:21,319
Speaker 3: two thousand and nine. I interviewed him for that and

960
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:25,279
Speaker 3: I interviewed the sitting congressman at the time, and the

961
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 3: congressman said, if this passes the El Paso City Council,

962
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:31,320
Speaker 3: like federal funding is going to be at risk. Beto

963
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 3: took that as a threat that how dare you threaten

964
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:38,280
Speaker 3: federal funds over my pot resolution? And Beto ran against

965
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 3: him for Congress after reading that and beat him in

966
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:45,400
Speaker 3: the primary. He was a border patrol guard, so he

967
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:47,360
Speaker 3: beat a border patrol guard to get the Congress.

968
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:49,319
Speaker 5: You guys are just jen X.

969
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, brothers, we are yea brothers and the brothers in

970
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 4: the plant.

971
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly.

972
00:53:56,120 --> 00:54:00,160
Speaker 4: You got a clubhouse because this is a treehouse. You

973
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 4: just like smoke weed and skateboard and listen to Nirvana.

974
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're not going to sell out man, but really

975
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:11,799
Speaker 3: looking forward. Yeah all right, So come back Thursday night

976
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 3: Friday for Counterpoints Friday with Beto o'rourk. Otherwise Crystal Sograby

977
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 3: here tomorrow.

978
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 4: And stay tuned of course to your inbox for just

979
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 4: updates on the greater Breaking Points universe going forward.

980
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 5: And we'll see you next week. Ryan will see you

981
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:26,799
Speaker 5: early next week.

982
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 3: That's right, I'll be there Tuesday. Also, you get a

983
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:30,959
Speaker 3: lot of me next week. All right, see you guys later.