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Speaker 2: This is straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. What is up

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Speaker 2: straight Fire? Fam, It's me Jason McIntyre, Straight Fire for Thursday,

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Speaker 2: January fourth, twenty twenty four. I just like the rig

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Speaker 2: of that. Twenty twenty four. The calendar turns. It's wacky, man.

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Speaker 2: The NFL season ends this weekend, the regular season obviously,

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Speaker 2: and then we get the playoffs. I mean, here's how

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Speaker 2: you know it's basketball season, right. NBA had a great night.

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Speaker 2: My kids' youth basketball league tips off this weekend, and

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Speaker 2: college basketball gambling is starting to pick up, getting close

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Speaker 2: to March Madness. I know nobody cares. We'll do some

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Speaker 2: NBA in a little bit, but I just listen. This

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Speaker 2: is one of the dangerous topics that I don't want

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Speaker 2: to just jump into. And it's one of those topics.

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Speaker 2: Maybe Rob will feel more comfortable than I am on

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Speaker 2: this one, but it's one of those that I started

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Speaker 2: like five or six tweets on a response to this,

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Speaker 2: and then I stopped and deleted and was like, I'm

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Speaker 2: not gonna get involved. I can't. No, no, wait, I

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Speaker 2: want to say this, and no, no, I better not.

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Speaker 2: And it involves the quarterback of the New York Jets,

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Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers. It involves Pat McAfee, the former punter, and

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Speaker 2: Jimmy Kimmel, the comedian talk show host. I'm pretty sure

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Speaker 2: he hosts like the Oscars or whatever. I've been. Jimmy

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Speaker 2: Kimble's a big deal. And Aaron Rodgers. We know he's

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Speaker 2: getting paid I think north of a million dollars this

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Speaker 2: season to go on the former punter's radio show, which

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Speaker 2: is also televised on ESPN, and Aaron Rodgers thus is

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Speaker 2: incentivized to say inflammatory shit. We have never paid one

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Speaker 2: guess that I'm aware of on Straight Fire? What is

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Speaker 2: this year? Three, year four? I don't know. Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 2: is paid north of a million dollars. Obviously, a contract

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Speaker 2: like that and money figures like that, you're expecting an ROI.

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Speaker 2: You're expecting something Aaron Rodgers going on and talking about

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Speaker 2: the Jets. That's not moving the needle. They stink. He

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Speaker 2: could try, as he did most of the season, to

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Speaker 2: I'm coming back. He was trying to like get everybody invested,

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Speaker 2: get them to tune in, see what he's gonna say next.

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Speaker 2: Is he gonna try to come back. It was all

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Speaker 2: a pipe dream. It was never gonna happen. He was

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Speaker 2: just stringing everybody along. So here we are week eighteen.

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Speaker 2: The coaches have a vote of confidence, not Hacket, but

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Speaker 2: he's Rogers's guy because from the owner in the New

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Speaker 2: York Post. And there's really no drama around the Jets.

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Speaker 2: So what does Aaron Rodgers do. Well, let me create

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Speaker 2: drama where I know the media will lap it up.

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Speaker 2: Let me come out and say, oh yeah, Jimmy Kimmel. Now,

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Speaker 2: remember this is televised on ESPN, which is the sister

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Speaker 2: property of ABC. Jimmy Kimble's late night show is on ABC. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: when the Epstein list comes out, a lot of liberals

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Speaker 2: really nervous about it, including Jimmy Kimmel, who I hear

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Speaker 2: is on that list. And listen, I'm not gonna get

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Speaker 2: into Jeffrey Epstein, a pedophile who was arrested and sent

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Speaker 2: in I don't even I'm not like looking up his

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Speaker 2: Wikipedia like makes me sick, Like that guy's a bad Now.

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Speaker 2: I know at this point, a lot of people on

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Speaker 2: me to weigh in on Epstein and all the guys

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Speaker 2: he used to hang out with back in the day

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Speaker 2: and who he was flying on private jets with. I'm

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Speaker 2: not I'm not gonna go there, like, are we gonna

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Speaker 2: hold everybody to who they're flying on private jets with? Obviously,

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Speaker 2: anybody connected to Epstein does not look great. But here's

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Speaker 2: the thing. Jimmy Kimble's never been connected to Jeffrey Epstein,

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Speaker 2: and so what the hell is an NFL quarterback wing

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Speaker 2: in on Jimmy Kimmel and a convicted pedophile who's dead. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 2: the Kelsey Brothers have a podcast and they're ranking serials. Okay,

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Speaker 2: we'll talk about an NBA guy who goes on podcasts

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Speaker 2: now and is hyping up NBA players. Aaron Rodgers is

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Speaker 2: talking about a dead pedophile and a comedian, a talk

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Speaker 2: show host. Just think about what is the agenda here

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Speaker 2: for Aaron Rodgers? And I think it's pretty clear. Instead

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Speaker 2: of going on social media and doing this, you know,

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Speaker 2: you go on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter or whatever. They're not

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Speaker 2: paying you to talks back. You're helping their business by

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Speaker 2: generating impressions and retweets and whatever. All that. The crap

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Speaker 2: is Aaron Rodgers is straight up profiting and using ESPN

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Speaker 2: and Pat McAfee as a vehicle to settle scores, take

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Speaker 2: shots while he's getting paid, which obviously puts ESPN and

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Speaker 2: ABC in a dicey, very ugly situation because next thing

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Speaker 2: get involved in a lawsuit. Like you can't just go

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Speaker 2: on a national platform and accuse somebody of being linked

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Speaker 2: not A. That's not funny, and B like what are

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Speaker 2: you even doing? You're an NFL quarterback. I'm not sitting

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Speaker 2: it's like, really, Aaron Rodgers, what's the game plan here?

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Speaker 2: So well, you know what happened next. Jimmy Kimmel, of course,

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Speaker 2: a national figure. He has kids who go to school.

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Speaker 2: He quickly replies on Twitter deer and instead of Aaron

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Speaker 2: AA r o n, he put a A S S

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Speaker 2: h o elie at dear asshole. For the record, I've

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Speaker 2: never I've not met, flown with, visited, or had any

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Speaker 2: on any list other than the clearly phony nonsense that

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Speaker 2: soft brain wackos like yourself can't seem to distinguish from reality.

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Speaker 2: Here we go. Your reckless words put my family in danger.

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Speaker 2: Keep it up and we'll debate the facts further in court.

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Speaker 2: And he tagged Aaron Rodgers and again, is it not

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Speaker 2: one that I want to weigh in on like heavily?

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Speaker 2: Obviously I have thoughts. If I see you in public

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Speaker 2: and you say, Jay, what about that, I'll go off.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you about it. But there are some things

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Speaker 2: better not in the public spear. I don't need to

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Speaker 2: put this out there, So I'm gonna turn it to

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Speaker 2: Rob here and say, Rob, listen, I know we don't

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Speaker 2: want to go too hard at ESPN. I think they're

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Speaker 2: collateral damage in Aaron Rodgers settling a score. But it's

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Speaker 2: at the point where you have to wander this McAfee situation.

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Speaker 2: He's going on and saying reckless stuff, and he's like

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Speaker 2: constantly pushing the envelope. I don't know, man, Remember this

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Speaker 2: is under the Disney umbrella. Disney, And I cannot imagine

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Speaker 2: or ESPN are happy. McAfee went on his show on

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Speaker 2: Wednesday and gave some half ass apology. Hey, he was

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Speaker 2: talking shit to Jimmy Kimmel, Like what, how do you

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Speaker 2: talk shit by linking them to a pedophile who's dead?

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Speaker 2: That's not funny. Hey, hey, Rob, you know you and

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Speaker 2: the UNI bomber Remember when you guys used to hang out.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, I was just talking shit, Like, come on,

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Speaker 2: that's not funny. I don't know, Rob. I don't want

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Speaker 2: makes it really easy to not root for this guy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is disappointing, right because Aaron Rodgers, for

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Speaker 1: my money, is the best quarterback I've ever seen play football.

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers was the best quarterback I've ever seen. And

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Speaker 1: then something happened with him, you know, four or five

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Speaker 1: So people think that you automatically come again, and that's

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Speaker 1: not what I'm trying to do. What I'm saying is

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Speaker 1: for weeks on end and so on and so forth.

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Speaker 1: And that's the same thing to happen with Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 1: So it's disappointing that. I mean, you can have your

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Speaker 1: sauce in that regard. So that's discipline number one. Number two.

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Speaker 1: I've been very vocal for a couple of years now

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Speaker 1: that I thought that whatever Pat McAfee. This was even

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Speaker 1: before it was reported that he was paying Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 1: But I said two years ago, whatever he's paying Aaron

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Speaker 1: Rodgers to do these appearances, it's worth it. I don't

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Speaker 1: but I don't think that I am. I've worked in

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Speaker 1: sports media for over a decade. I know which shows

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Speaker 1: holst her I understand how this game works. And Pat

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Speaker 1: McAfee put out of a very good show his YouTube

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Speaker 1: And Aaron Rodgers at the time was providing insight into

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Speaker 1: and again, I think it's worth it because Pat McAfee

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Speaker 1: without those Aaron Rodgers interview. Pat McAfee is not doing

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Speaker 1: College Game Day. Pat McAfee is not on the Worldwide

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Speaker 1: So I understand that where he's getting into a tricky

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Speaker 1: situation now is that he's almost so indebted to Aaron

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Speaker 1: you know what, dude, that's not cool like for you

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Speaker 1: to that what you're saying is not talking shit, that's

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Speaker 1: you know, borderline of crime.

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Speaker 2: What do you think do you think he's gonna do

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Speaker 2: that to us? No?

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Speaker 1: And that's the thing is that he's put himself in

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Speaker 1: this situation where he's benefited so much from Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 1: that you can't put the toothpaste back in the Tube

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Speaker 2: So Rob, what happens if ESPN goes to McAfee and says,

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Speaker 2: we don't care. That's fine. I'm not an Embid hater.

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Speaker 2: Joel Embid's averaging thirty four point eight points per game.

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Speaker 2: He's having an unbelievable season. He's first in scoring, fifth

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Speaker 2: having he's having an awesome, awesome season. Like it's impressive

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Speaker 2: Like the Indiana Pacers are this season, are I believe,

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Speaker 2: tremendous season. He does not lead the league in double doubles.

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Speaker 2: That would be Jokic, Hell, Lebron, No Ad. I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: We don't even have to look that far to find

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Speaker 1: Yannis in twenty nineteen, twenty twenty okay average twenty nine

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Speaker 2: Did you honest win the title that year? Which year

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Speaker 2: Like Lamar Jackson right now could win the MVP. And

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Speaker 2: I'm telling you, right now, people are gonna forget how

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Speaker 2: good he was if they lose in or the first

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Speaker 2: or second playoff game, Like I'm in the postseason, Like

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Speaker 2: that's really all that matters, right right, But even if

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Speaker 2: we're just looking at the individual regular season accomplishments, what

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Speaker 2: Joel Embiid is doing scoring.

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Speaker 1: The basketball is fantastic, right the way that he's doing it,

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Speaker 1: the efficiency that he's doing. He's currently on pace to

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Speaker 1: have more points than minutes, which would be the first

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Speaker 1: guys is Wilt Chamberlain to ever do that in the

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Speaker 1: regular season.

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Speaker 2: So that's a hold up.

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Speaker 1: But I'm saying that's incredible. But the game of basketball

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Speaker 1: is more than just scoring. I don't think Joel Embiid

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Speaker 1: is going to be the first team All Defensive player,

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Speaker 1: even though he's a good defender. I don't think he's

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Speaker 1: going to be defensive players.

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Speaker 2: First team All Defensive center BAM.

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Speaker 1: Probably, I mean.

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Speaker 2: Normally definitely not defensive player.

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Speaker 1: Know, but like Giannis would normally have a spot locked up.

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Speaker 1: But because their defense taking a step back of the season,

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Speaker 1: maybe that works against him. Anthony Davis is having an

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Speaker 1: all World defensive season, right. Draymond Green when he's on

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Speaker 1: the court is still a great defender. Problem is he's

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Speaker 1: always suspended. So but like, look, I it sucks because

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Speaker 1: I don't mean to take down with Joel Embid's a

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Speaker 1: college and he's having a great season. But when you

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Speaker 1: throw out these hyperbolic statements that is the greatest season ever,

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Speaker 1: and you know the best players is Michael Jordan, it's

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Speaker 1: like that's where we got to pump the brakes, and

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Speaker 1: that's where we turn what should be a positive almost

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Speaker 1: into a punching baby because it's an negative.

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Speaker 2: But that's also why we're talking about it. Like that's

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Speaker 2: a good point, right, I mean if he if if

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Speaker 2: he stopped short and said greatest season in six Ers history,

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Speaker 2: it's like, oh, probably like Moses Malone, doctor j Iverson, Yeah, Okay, sure, indeed,

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Speaker 2: I don't know, Rob, it's weird. We don't. We don't

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Speaker 2: do this in the NFL, do we during in the

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Speaker 2: middle of the season. We don't get hyperbolic and make

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Speaker 2: these reaches like, well, so brock Purty statistic of his

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Speaker 2: number one in every category, he's having the greatest season

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Speaker 2: any quarterback has ever had. We don't do that. I

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Speaker 2: don't what. Why do you think that is what? For

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Speaker 2: some reason, in the NBA, it's it's not enough to

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Speaker 2: talk about the moment the now. You've got to put

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Speaker 2: it in historical context. And I saw someone ranting about

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Speaker 2: this on social media, saying, you know, Okac is right

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Speaker 2: there by the way, your call on Okac was maybe

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Speaker 2: your best call of uh, it looks amazing and and

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Speaker 2: and it's like the second they lose a game, oh,

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Speaker 2: we need to make one more trade. We're one piece away,

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Speaker 2: and it's like, okay. Nobody's really ever satisfied in the NBA.

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Speaker 2: It's always what's like, what's next, or what can we

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Speaker 2: add or how can we get better? Like the Knicks

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Speaker 2: trade for Ognobe. We haven't even talked about that. We're

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Speaker 2: not gonna get into it. Now. Let's let this let's

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Speaker 2: see how this plays out. But it's like Knicks fans instantly, Okay,

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Speaker 2: what are we gonna do next? We could we have

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Speaker 2: we could we got one more, we could do one

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Speaker 2: deal for a Max guy. Do we do it now?

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Speaker 2: Do we do it in the off season? Who's the guy?

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Speaker 2: It's never And I guess I'm guilty of this. Sometimes

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Speaker 2: it's always we want to be next. But I don't know. Fans,

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Speaker 2: they're just nobody's ever happy, right, Nobody ever seems content

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Speaker 2: with where they are. They're always looking for something more.

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Speaker 2: And I definitely this was a problem with me. And

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Speaker 2: then the wife got all my case about this a

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Speaker 2: while ago, and she's like, like, you know, uh, stuff

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Speaker 2: at Fox, Like, for instance, I lose when I came

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Speaker 2: out here and I was doing the big lead and Fox,

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Speaker 2: and I'd lose the big lead and I was devastated.

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Speaker 2: And then I gained Fox Digital and then I get

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Speaker 2: a Fox podcast. I've dropped the radio show, and it's like, okay, okay,

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Speaker 2: so I've got this, this and this, what can I

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Speaker 2: do next? And my wife's like, hold on, dude, you've

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Speaker 2: got three jobs. You're writing for Fox, you're on the Heard,

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Speaker 2: and you have a podcast. What do you need more?

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Speaker 2: Aren't you happy with this? And I was like, oh,

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Speaker 2: I need a thanks for the reality check, Okay, let

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Speaker 2: me go back. We'd like to shoot some hoops, but

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Speaker 2: I don't know, Rob. Do you see fans are thinking

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Speaker 2: totally differently these days, maybe because of social media.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I can tell you with full disclosure that

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Speaker 1: this kind of conversation only really happens in the NBA.

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Speaker 1: Just like you mentioned, some of our most popular podcasts

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Speaker 1: in the history of this show have been NBA related,

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Speaker 1: and they're almost never what actually happened in the game,

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Speaker 1: what actually happened in the playoff series? Just off the

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Speaker 1: top of my head, some of the more popular ones.

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Speaker 1: You comparing or saying Steph curR was better than Magic

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Speaker 1: Johnson was a popular episode for us. You Going Scorched

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Speaker 1: Earth on Kyrie Irving when he was still with the

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Speaker 1: Brooklyn Nets was one of our most popular podcasts. To me,

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Speaker 1: I don't think either one of those has been your

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Speaker 1: best podcast. I've seen you, you know, create different storylines and

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Speaker 1: unique angles on other topics that I think, as a

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Speaker 1: producer are much more interesting and show much more of

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Speaker 1: the talent that you have I've seen you do podcast

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Speaker 1: reacting to just like most recently Suns Lakers on a

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Speaker 1: regular sea like on a Tuesday, and you broke down

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Speaker 1: that game and what it looked like and what it

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Speaker 1: meant for the season in a way that not a

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Speaker 1: lot of national hosts can do. Those noes didn't track

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Speaker 1: the same number as what does it mean for this

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Speaker 1: guy's legacy? What will it mean in the historical sense,

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Speaker 1: what does this mean for you know, the future of

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Speaker 1: the NBA and the future of this Like everything NBA specific,

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Speaker 1: is almost always big picture rings culture, Top fifty, the

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Speaker 1: Goat conversation, and in the NFL, maybe because it's a

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Speaker 1: week to week league, maybe because maybe that audience is

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Speaker 1: smarter and they understand that the way the game was

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Speaker 1: played in the eighties and nineties is different than the

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Speaker 1: way it is the twenty tens and twenty twenties. But

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Speaker 1: we are much more focused on what happens on the

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Speaker 1: football field between the lines versus the NBA. It's always

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Speaker 1: the bigger grand proclamation historically.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would like to say we could do better,

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Speaker 2: but it's gonna be tough because I'm guilty of that,

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Speaker 2: and I know you guys are yelling right now, Well, Jay,

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Speaker 2: why do you always bring up Lebron and Michael Jordan? Yes, yes,

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Speaker 2: I like to debate, I like to discuss. I'm a

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Speaker 2: sports fan anyways. All right, that's a lengthy pod for today.

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Speaker 2: We are back tomorrow with an NFL guest previewing Week eighteen,

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Speaker 2: where apparently every single NFL player is gonna be resting.

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Speaker 2: I don't even know what to make of Week eighteen.

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Speaker 2: I don't know that I'm gonna have I haven't bet

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Speaker 2: one game aim in Week eighteen yet, but maybe that'll change.

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Speaker 2: Uh later today, talk to you soon.