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Speaker 1: This is the Bloomberg Business of Sports podcasts, where we

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Speaker 1: cover the big money issues in the world of sports,

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Speaker 1: and today we are bringing in Bloomberg's Jason Kelly and

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Speaker 1: Vanessa Perdomo. They're the hosts of a new series called

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Speaker 1: Next in Sports, which is available on Bloomberg Originals, on

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Speaker 1: Bloomberg dot Com, and on Bloomberg Television. And this all

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Speaker 1: comes back to sports that you know are kind of

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Speaker 1: taking the country by storm or are on the cusp

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Speaker 1: of doing so. You've covered pickleball, You've covered Formula one,

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Speaker 1: and your third episode in this series, Vanessa and Jason

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Speaker 1: is on tech ball spelled te q ba l, which

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Speaker 1: I'd never heard of.

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Speaker 2: It's not a sport that a lot of people have

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Speaker 2: heard of, which I think is what we really wanted

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Speaker 2: for this series. We wanted this series to be a

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Speaker 2: mix between sports you have definitely heard of, pickleball, Formula one,

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Speaker 2: or even chase tag. These things that look a little

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Speaker 2: business is there and two the athletes, you know, tech

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Speaker 3: And by the way, like when you hear that, you're like,

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Speaker 1: There's a big difference in the ball size between soccer

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Speaker 2: Yes, is there's quite a big difference, and the ball

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Speaker 3: I mean, I had never really heard of it, and

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Speaker 3: It really is one of these things. And of course,

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Speaker 2: And I think that it shows it's able to showcase,

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Speaker 2: into that, and they send tables to that not only

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Speaker 2: coming up later, they had a techball table.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: There, it's there. They have them, They use them sometimes.

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Speaker 2: Some people are more into it, others. Messi has put

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Speaker 4: It's very social. But at the same time, soccer players

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Speaker 2: That is one of the skills they use when you

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Speaker 2: It's one of the only things you can do by yourself, right,

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Speaker 2: So it's kind of competitive, making that competitive, right, right, right, Juggling.

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Speaker 1: Competitive something that people already incorporate into their daily training exactly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think that whole it's a really important

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Speaker 4: She was quite impressed. I think, I mean, you know,

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Speaker 4: I think I would like to.

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Speaker 3: Give that listen.

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Speaker 2: I will say that Carly Lloyd and I made better

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Speaker 1: I didn't let her down famous words.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, wow, that's like, that's the best flex I've heard.

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Speaker 3: That's that's pretty that's pretty amazing. No, it was. It

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Speaker 3: is really cool to watch, especially I mean not to

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Speaker 3: but I mean it is cool to watch someone who

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Speaker 2: It is interesting for me because I was a goalkeeper,

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Speaker 4: You know, I'm not necessarily the one who's juggling in

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Speaker 2: Really so very different, and so it's not a skill

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Speaker 2: that I necessarily have. But again, just being a soccer

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Speaker 2: I mean, much more natural. I would say it would

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Speaker 2: of my teammates, showed them and all of them were like,

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Speaker 2: why did we not have this in college?

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Speaker 3: Right? Right, right?

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Speaker 1: This would have been a great training tool and something

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Speaker 1: to do on the side to mix up your regiment. Right. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: Vanessa Perdomo and Jason Kelly, great job. I'm looking forward

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Speaker 1: to the release of more episodes of Next and Sports

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Speaker 1: and tech Ball was a new one. I mean I

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Speaker 1: never heard of it. It's difficult to play, but it

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Speaker 1: sounds really exciting and sounds like somebody could take off.

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