Speaker 1: Jake Paul has silently stalled his opponents, but his next
Speaker 1: test against Combat Sports legtion of Tyron Woodley, and he's
Speaker 1: his toughest yet. Now the fight critics that Jakecole shouldn't
Speaker 1: never take, He's here. He wants it more. Jake Coole
Speaker 1: versus Tyron Woodley Sunday, August nine at eight Eastern fought
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Speaker 1: and partnership with Showtime. Welcome back to a special edition
Speaker 1: of All the Smoke. Jack, what's going on out there
Speaker 1: in Atlanta? My brother? What's going on? And standing? The
Speaker 1: weather are getting kind of bad out of him? Man,
Speaker 1: I gotta come back to the West Coast and get
Speaker 1: some of the sun and shine. You know what it's
Speaker 1: like one or two out here today. Man, you can
Speaker 1: have this ship. It's too hot. Man. We got a
Speaker 1: special guest today. Man, some of we've been wanting to
Speaker 1: get on for a while. It's finally worked. It finally
Speaker 1: worked him uh into the program. Man, Welcome Tyron Woodley
Speaker 1: to the show today. You shot down to Miami. You
Speaker 1: get that one on two and you feel like you're
Speaker 1: in the oram pit, the humidity. Take it out, take
Speaker 1: it out right quick. Ship out there. So you just
Speaker 1: mentioned so you're out there training in Miami for your
Speaker 1: training camp. How long have you been out there working? Man,
Speaker 1: I've been, I heard ship since I saw y'all at
Speaker 1: the Floyd fight. I've been since you Getting it in man,
Speaker 1: l A was really comfortable for me. You know, that's
Speaker 1: what was my second home. All my friends out there,
Speaker 1: the entertainment, the glares of women, the movies and TV
Speaker 1: shows and music, and um, I really want to just
Speaker 1: lock in. I know it's some kind of worried that
Speaker 1: Miami would be a place to lock in at, but
Speaker 1: for me, it was unfamiliar, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And I just didn't take the time to really get
Speaker 1: to know the city for all of you know, all
Speaker 1: the evening and you know, the weekend festivities. I just
Speaker 1: came to her to get it in. Absolutely. So what
Speaker 1: has been different? I mean, you've been in the fight
Speaker 1: game for a long time. You're actually our first martial
Speaker 1: lost artist on the show Turn Boxer. But what's been
Speaker 1: different about this training camp? Um? From training camps in
Speaker 1: the past. I mean, off, they jump just to the love,
Speaker 1: you know, to be honest, like, um, you know, I
Speaker 1: had a I had a great mixed martial career, you know,
Speaker 1: especially winning five world titles. But it got to the
Speaker 1: point where it became mature and it became something that
Speaker 1: I really didn't like at certain points in my life.
Speaker 1: And it was just the politics to being the bullshit,
Speaker 1: the drama. And then you know, you know, I thought
Speaker 1: the rubric to becoming the great was finding that the
Speaker 1: equal opposite that ship talk compressed conference, the big super
Speaker 1: fire and really getting the bag. You know, you know,
Speaker 1: it's kind of weird. Like in basketball, if you guys
Speaker 1: win the NBA Finals, you the fucking the champion. It
Speaker 1: don't matter if you've got a fire ass suit on.
Speaker 1: It don't matter if you can talk trash, don't matter
Speaker 1: if you driver Rose Royce. But it became more of
Speaker 1: an entertainment than it was a sport, and I was
Speaker 1: trying to juggle both of them. And then, you know,
Speaker 1: part of my career I kind of got lost. All
Speaker 1: I got lost into the bills and whils that went
Speaker 1: with it. And then you know, boxing gave me a
Speaker 1: fresh start, and I've always wanted to box. It's really
Speaker 1: the reason why I win in m m A. Because
Speaker 1: I was too in my opinion, too old to start
Speaker 1: boxing at three. But this gave me just new life,
Speaker 1: a new wind, and uh man, I'm having a blast
Speaker 1: training my ass off. I putting weight back on now, man,
Speaker 1: because I got so lean out here in freaking Miami.
Speaker 1: I'm out here looking like a Julian Salah. Okay, you've
Speaker 1: seen You've seen Bro face to face, you know, a
Speaker 1: couple of times. But what were you thinking when you
Speaker 1: first look into his eyes? Y'all did that first? Dad out?
Speaker 1: What was you thinking? He was just nervous, he was scared,
Speaker 1: he was shaking. He was doing what he thought he
Speaker 1: needed to do. Base up on watching us like that's
Speaker 1: to be real, you know. And when I say us,
Speaker 1: I mean professional athletes, I mean people that really do
Speaker 1: this ship for a living. I've been doing this before
Speaker 1: it was legalized. I've been doing it before actually it
Speaker 1: was gloves involved. So at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: it's in my DNA. I'm a fighter, That's what I do.
Speaker 1: I've been fighting my whole life. I've been knocking people
Speaker 1: off since I was in the elementary and middle school.
Speaker 1: So at the end of the day, he's walking around
Speaker 1: like a BT and cut video, you know, wearing what
Speaker 1: the culture tells him he should wear, saying what the
Speaker 1: culture tells him he should you know say, and you know,
Speaker 1: even all his antics and beating and streaming and yelling,
Speaker 1: you're watching the old ripped off m M A promo kids.
Speaker 1: So at the end of the day, when I got
Speaker 1: into his face, I felt a lot of uncertainty. Um,
Speaker 1: he's gonna come to fight. He's an athlete, he's gonna
Speaker 1: be in shape. It's gonna look like a boxer fight.
Speaker 1: But when you talk about what it means to be
Speaker 1: a fighter, what it means to come up against adversity
Speaker 1: and overcoming, what it means to be told you wanted
Speaker 1: to make it and you make it when it means
Speaker 1: to be you know, predicted and kind of you know,
Speaker 1: molded out to be a statistic and you overcame. All
Speaker 1: that's a fighter. He hasn't had to do that. So
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, all things constant, even
Speaker 1: if he's equal speed, equal power, equal technique, great coaching,
Speaker 1: great training partners, no injuries, and mentally ready to go
Speaker 1: to war. When you get down to the bare assensions
Speaker 1: of what would mean to be a fighter. He's gonna
Speaker 1: get his asked with on the corner, on the side,
Speaker 1: the back of the head, the elbow, the chest, the neck,
Speaker 1: you know, mean anything it takes. I'm willing to go there,
Speaker 1: and I don't think he is. You came into this
Speaker 1: sport with a heavy wrestling background, but by the time
Speaker 1: you climbed to the top of the mountain in the UFC,
Speaker 1: you were known as knockout artists, someone to do hands.
Speaker 1: So this transfer over to you. Uh, you know, I
Speaker 1: didn't think it would be as big of a deal
Speaker 1: as for someone else. You know, the last guy he
Speaker 1: fought wasn't really known for throwing hands. That's something you're
Speaker 1: known for. So you know, with that said, we got
Speaker 1: a chance to interview him a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 1: Gave you a lot of respect, you know, saying he's
Speaker 1: training hard, this is gonna be his biggest fight. Outside
Speaker 1: of that, What have you thought about the back and forth?
Speaker 1: I mean, I think he's a great to me. I
Speaker 1: think he's like the fifty cent of this kind of
Speaker 1: era as far as going to push buttons and talk
Speaker 1: ship and promote and get a bunch of hype around
Speaker 1: different situations. What have you thought about just the back
Speaker 1: and forth. You've been in there for a long time,
Speaker 1: like you said, but it's kind of a new age
Speaker 1: of ship talking now when you you know, when you're
Speaker 1: dealing with the YouTuber that kind of does it for
Speaker 1: you know, for a living, you know, I mean, you're
Speaker 1: get him a little bit more credit than you know
Speaker 1: he's worth giving him. Theftft was a street guy and
Speaker 1: he was a stick up kare like he really really
Speaker 1: lived that life. And he because he knows he's from
Speaker 1: that background, because he probably not scared, he controlled the ship.
Speaker 1: Out of everybody, I would compare him more to a
Speaker 1: Takashi six nine, somebody that did you know the code,
Speaker 1: don't know the values, don't have nothing to lose, and
Speaker 1: he can he can. He can do whatever you want
Speaker 1: to and still come out inside arena. I think it's
Speaker 1: important for the sport. I think it's important for the entertainment.
Speaker 1: And at the end of the day, you gotta see
Speaker 1: it for what it is. This is entertainment. This is
Speaker 1: we're entertainers. You know, this is not even really athletics anymore.
Speaker 1: Mixed martial art. It's not really athletics anymore when you
Speaker 1: really think about it, like it don't matter who's the best,
Speaker 1: It don't matter, like think about it. You know, like
Speaker 1: the sport, and I'm not knocking the sport. You know.
Speaker 1: That's that's what made me great, That's what made me
Speaker 1: the legend. That's what made me in a position right now,
Speaker 1: I can even fight a fight like this. But when
Speaker 1: the bells and whistles are gone and all the press
Speaker 1: conferences are gone, and you're left with people that are
Speaker 1: actually still gotta fight and win fights. Look at our champions,
Speaker 1: most of which you're that are non ship talkers, most
Speaker 1: of what should are non um us citizens that weren't
Speaker 1: born here. So when you really think about it, for instance,
Speaker 1: GHANDU is not gonna cell a fight like Conor McGregor.
Speaker 1: Neither is. You know, the guys fight against Brian Artega.
Speaker 1: Brian is like, you know you corny dude, you got
Speaker 1: weak energy, Like I can't even talk ship to you,
Speaker 1: like think about to look at look at the Moreno.
Speaker 1: I call him McK lovn. He's the nicest kid. He's
Speaker 1: doing hearts. It's gonna come up point in time where
Speaker 1: the motherfucker still gotta win the fight. And when you
Speaker 1: try to pose a fight against this guy, he said
Speaker 1: this about him. You're gonna end up with a Dustin Courrier,
Speaker 1: whether you're gonna end up with a Brandon Moreno, whether
Speaker 1: you're gonna end it with a frances and Galald, when
Speaker 1: you're gonna end up with people you know, like a
Speaker 1: kmarow Oostman that these guys may not have sauce, they
Speaker 1: may not have the ability, but it was never formulated
Speaker 1: to be just a sport. If it was, everybody who's
Speaker 1: the best would be accepted like a Steph Curt. It's
Speaker 1: not like that. You gotta be everything. And if you
Speaker 1: if you for one second think that this Jake Paul
Speaker 1: kid don't belong in boxing because he didn't start a
Speaker 1: shout of boxing the eight years old, you're sadly mistaken.
Speaker 1: Because guess what, who's gonna push his need on the
Speaker 1: pay per view. It's gonna be the biggest pay per
Speaker 1: view to you. This is the first time in UFC
Speaker 1: has ever said, oh, the biggest pay per view of
Speaker 1: the year. They have to do that. We're gonna do
Speaker 1: numbers on this fight. And I think you know the
Speaker 1: entertainment aspect is going to meet the actual sport aspect.
Speaker 1: He's he's gonna he's going to salute me. He better
Speaker 1: he probably played me on the video game, you know,
Speaker 1: growing up. He's going to he's going to he's going
Speaker 1: to talk about how great of a champion, how great
Speaker 1: of a striker, and he's going to reduce himself down
Speaker 1: to a Disney YouTuber. I didn't watch the interview, but
Speaker 1: I'm I kind of write what he said. I'm just
Speaker 1: his YouTuber and I'm just gonna this is my toughest match,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna put him away and that because guess
Speaker 1: what if he does it now, he's beat this person
Speaker 1: he's built up. If he doesn't do it, well, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna try again. And you know what I mean That
Speaker 1: Dad and I took off. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It was a great try, and you know I'm going
Speaker 1: back after it. So I'm not playing those games. I
Speaker 1: know he out there training in his ass off from
Speaker 1: Puerto Rico. Unfortunately, got a whole bee hive with the cheerleaders.
Speaker 1: You a line to this motherfucker telling him he can
Speaker 1: do it, Tell him he can beat me. Tell them
Speaker 1: it's enough and it ain't It ain't enough. You don't
Speaker 1: have enough time. You need years. You need you need
Speaker 1: years to to gain ground of what I got in
Speaker 1: my mind and the in and the amount of violence
Speaker 1: I'm willing to produce in a ring like so, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm gassed up. I mean, obviously you gained the status
Speaker 1: UFC Champion, UFC legend. The one knock I've always had
Speaker 1: on the UFC because I'm a big UFC fan, is
Speaker 1: the amount of money you guys make. And if I'm
Speaker 1: not mistaken, this will be your biggest um purse. And
Speaker 1: it's really kind of outside of actual like real this is,
Speaker 1: you know, this is an entertainment. Still a fight, but
Speaker 1: it's more entertainment. Talk to me about what you think about,
Speaker 1: you know, hate him and love him Dana White in
Speaker 1: the way he kind of controls the money and certain
Speaker 1: guys eat and most guys really got to grind throughout
Speaker 1: their career, really really even kind of touch any real
Speaker 1: money in that sport. I mean, it's not really ground
Speaker 1: outside of your career. If you will, and to kiss
Speaker 1: the pinky ring, you know your your your life can
Speaker 1: change very quick. And then I just never was that guy.
Speaker 1: I never will be that guy too. I'm too expensive.
Speaker 1: The industry can never afford me. So at the end
Speaker 1: of the time, at the end of the um, at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, you know, I don't compare
Speaker 1: myself to Mohammad al Leave. But when I look at
Speaker 1: Muhammad Ali and I look what he's still for. He
Speaker 1: didn't do what was cool at the moment. He did
Speaker 1: what he believed in. People didn't like the way he
Speaker 1: talked about him and being the greatest. They didn't like
Speaker 1: the way he you know, he taught in and he
Speaker 1: went after the guys or show up the house and
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. He didn't like what he's
Speaker 1: still for, And you're like people. Some people didn't like
Speaker 1: when he changed his name to Muhammad Ali. But at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, people love him, and they
Speaker 1: worshiped him afterwards, and they're gonna worship him probably for
Speaker 1: the for the rest of our existence. We'll always know
Speaker 1: him as the greatest because of what he did in
Speaker 1: and what he did outside of the ring. In my mind,
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, I'm never gonna succumb to
Speaker 1: something I don't believe in. I'm never gonna be silence.
Speaker 1: And if I'm silent is because I'm being violent. I
Speaker 1: mean I'm brewing up. I mean I'm cooking up up
Speaker 1: and me know, whipping up. And when I come out
Speaker 1: from that silent corner, You're gonna see so many different
Speaker 1: baths created. There, so many different avenues made for my
Speaker 1: people and my family. And you know, when I say
Speaker 1: my people, don't get a confused black, white, green purple.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about people with substance, people that stand for something,
Speaker 1: people that believe in treating people right because it's the
Speaker 1: right thing to do, not because it's a cute thing
Speaker 1: to do for a little pr So at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, Dana White not you know, we made
Speaker 1: millions of dollars together. Don't get that twisted. Don't think
Speaker 1: that I didn't make a fortune in the UFC. But
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, God willing, it is
Speaker 1: this time where I'm gonna actually get paid, where I
Speaker 1: feel like, at this moment of my life, I'm deserving
Speaker 1: to get paid. I'm gonna get paid a handsome person.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get paid crazy on pay per view points
Speaker 1: because it will be the biggest payer view And y'all,
Speaker 1: motherfuck is better tune in August any night. I'm talking
Speaker 1: about gonna be there as listeners and viewers, which is
Speaker 1: me by the way too. I'm a big fan of
Speaker 1: the show. I watch it, you know, I take um
Speaker 1: inspiration something. You guys are are really finding a way
Speaker 1: to get great messages. I would be yourself. There's so
Speaker 1: many people that walk around every single day and there's
Speaker 1: something that they're not there's something that the nine and
Speaker 1: five told them to be. And I really respect you
Speaker 1: too because you did it your own way and people
Speaker 1: recognize real and real people funk with authentic and you know,
Speaker 1: I'm blessed to be on this show and blessed to
Speaker 1: you know, be able to use your platform to talk
Speaker 1: to these people. So I know y'all gonna be there.
Speaker 1: But I'm talking about people that's watched August twenty nine.
Speaker 1: If you're in Cleveland, Ohio, slide if you want to
Speaker 1: see a blood bath, if you want to watch them
Speaker 1: and TV where you can pause and pause and look
Speaker 1: away and go to the bathroom and you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, send them to the ambalance with
Speaker 1: a nice lip prayer. Then you can do that too,
Speaker 1: but make sure you're tune it because it's gonna be
Speaker 1: something different than what you expect. It's not it's it's
Speaker 1: not the YouTube versus to TikTok's not the celebrity. This
Speaker 1: is a real motherfucker fight. It's gonna look like one.
Speaker 1: I promise you it's gonna look like a real fight.
Speaker 1: It is a real fight. And when it's done and
Speaker 1: it's over with, they're gonna be like Tyrant's gonna be
Speaker 1: a world champion in boxing. That's what Floyd said. I'm
Speaker 1: not training you so you can go out here and
Speaker 1: I know we're gonna get to that next and they
Speaker 1: have been saving that one. But he said, I'm not
Speaker 1: training you so you can beat this guy. As long
Speaker 1: as your mind is there and as long as you
Speaker 1: in shape, you're gonna beat this guy. But I want
Speaker 1: people to look at you. And your first flight said, no,
Speaker 1: this kid is gonna be a world champion. And my
Speaker 1: training camp has been nothing short of it. Love it. Uh.
Speaker 1: You're upbringing Ferguson, Missouri. Uh, the eleventh of thirteen children
Speaker 1: raised by your mother talked to us about your upbringing
Speaker 1: A little bit. Man. You know, I'm from Ferguson and
Speaker 1: and and normally I would say St. Louis until you know,
Speaker 1: Mike Brown got shot and you know it was killed.
Speaker 1: You know, I I dated a girl that lived in
Speaker 1: that building where he dropped that. And I'm with the
Speaker 1: many many late nights, you know what I mean. That courtrip,
Speaker 1: that courtrip was walking distance from my house. That was
Speaker 1: my streets. So it's not my neighborhood is not. The
Speaker 1: roundabouts is not. The subdivision like West Florison is what
Speaker 1: that courturip is. And I lived on the chambers of
Speaker 1: West Florence and I walked there, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: When Tims was rough, I had to I had to
Speaker 1: pumping blast out one time, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: when it was when it was when it was rough
Speaker 1: for me like that. So to see that that that
Speaker 1: type of thing happened in my city, to grow up,
Speaker 1: you know, gang banging from a family. You know, my
Speaker 1: entire family is you know e gross into the street life,
Speaker 1: and many of them still are. That's all I knew.
Speaker 1: That's all I saw. And you know I actually didn't
Speaker 1: take the right way. I didn't, you know, go and
Speaker 1: turn up the cheek. I was all about it. That
Speaker 1: was my life. I glorified the biggest deboy, that the
Speaker 1: person that had the most credit, that beat the most
Speaker 1: people up, that knocked people out. It's just always since
Speaker 1: I was a kid. You know, my big homie man,
Speaker 1: he was just known knock a police officers out, knocking
Speaker 1: out you know, anybody that he touched, they went down,
Speaker 1: and he had so much juice, and everybody loved him.
Speaker 1: They was scared of him. They feared him, and I
Speaker 1: always wanted that. And for me, I'm just a real
Speaker 1: blessing because when I was trying to get into the
Speaker 1: life and I was trying to sell drugs and I
Speaker 1: was trying to do things that I didn't mean for
Speaker 1: me to do. These people said, no, you're gonna go
Speaker 1: to college, You're gonna do something different. I'll take care
Speaker 1: of you. You may have to collect a little money
Speaker 1: here and there, claim my shoes, wash the clothes, and like,
Speaker 1: get done cooking. You know you gotta do this, but
Speaker 1: we're not letting you get involved. And there was many
Speaker 1: times where I tempted and each time the same message
Speaker 1: which told me it was guys and no, you're gonna
Speaker 1: be different. How wrestling going. When you're next wrestling match,
Speaker 1: who you wrestling against, and they will always push me
Speaker 1: in the direction, which I felt like at that time,
Speaker 1: I didn't want to hear that. Man, I was wearing
Speaker 1: hand me down close for my sister. I had holes
Speaker 1: in my shirt. I had to earn all my clothes
Speaker 1: for the whole week. But that's all the clothes I had.
Speaker 1: So I'm rotated T shirts. Monday, I wear this, Thursday,
Speaker 1: I wear that, flipped the jeans over, dout of it out,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, while I stole my cousin
Speaker 1: clothes just so you know, I mean, I didn't have
Speaker 1: to wear the same ship. So I didn't want to
Speaker 1: hear that. And I'm trying to I'm trying to actually
Speaker 1: look fly, you know what I mean, these girls at school.
Speaker 1: So at the end of the day, I'm just more
Speaker 1: blessed and I look up to those people way more
Speaker 1: or than the Dana White, way more than you know,
Speaker 1: another celebrity person now, because these people took care of
Speaker 1: me when I was evicted, They took care of me
Speaker 1: when we was homeless, and took care of me when
Speaker 1: I was broke and I didn't have a means and
Speaker 1: I had to turn up for him, and I did it,
Speaker 1: and I went out there and I broke every high
Speaker 1: school record. I broke every collegiate record. I went to
Speaker 1: the University of Missouri when it was garbage, and I
Speaker 1: put them on the map, and I brought my dogs
Speaker 1: with me. My my Homian was supposed to go to
Speaker 1: Northern I was number one recruiting the country, and I
Speaker 1: told him, let's go over there and let's make a difference.
Speaker 1: Missouri is terrible. Out of ninety two schools were wrestling,
Speaker 1: it was seventy seventy second. They were the fucking doormatted
Speaker 1: the Big Twelve. And I brought home the first ever
Speaker 1: Big Twelve championship in the University of Missouri history, two
Speaker 1: time All American, and I went on and try to
Speaker 1: make an Olympic team. So you know, we created to
Speaker 1: I've been a trail blaser. This ain't new to me.
Speaker 1: So for me, growing up in Ferguson is everything to me.
Speaker 1: So you know, if if somebody got something to say
Speaker 1: bad about fergus and they really like saying your mama
Speaker 1: to me, and then we have a problem. Your first
Speaker 1: professional fight, I mean, you kind of took us where
Speaker 1: we're going next. We were gonna talk about college, but
Speaker 1: you took us already, but your first fight February seven,
Speaker 1: two thousand nine, you won't buy submission. What was it
Speaker 1: like when when when you finally step in the ring
Speaker 1: in your first real fight. You've been, like you said,
Speaker 1: you've been fighting since you came out the womb, got
Speaker 1: on the right path. People kept you on the right path.
Speaker 1: And when you finally make it to the top of
Speaker 1: the top and you're in that first match, what's going
Speaker 1: through your head and you finally and you and you
Speaker 1: end up winning in the first round as well? What
Speaker 1: was that like? What? I appreciate the research, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, you're my homie. You could have just we
Speaker 1: could have had a casual conversation. Um, somebody called me
Speaker 1: Earliday for an interview, and I was offended because don't
Speaker 1: ask me bullshit that you don't let you could have
Speaker 1: just googled that, like don come on now, Um, But
Speaker 1: but you made that sound way more sophisticated. And what
Speaker 1: it was because we're not like you guys. There ain't
Speaker 1: no draft. It needs to be a draft. If a
Speaker 1: motherfucker right now from down the street and said hey,
Speaker 1: let me jump into this pro fight, they're a pro fighter.
Speaker 1: So the first fight that I fought on actually was
Speaker 1: promoted by being asking and a guy named Way. I
Speaker 1: thought this, he mean to cut you out, But I
Speaker 1: think I could have been asked. The way he went there,
Speaker 1: that was terrible, but but he he promoted the fight,
Speaker 1: and then, um, you know, I went out there. It
Speaker 1: was two years into making. All the fights got canceled.
Speaker 1: It's very difficult for a two time All American wrestler
Speaker 1: to get a fight against anybody. So you know, I
Speaker 1: had opponent's council, fights council, and it was really like
Speaker 1: when I'm not exaggerated, took two years for me to
Speaker 1: get to that moment, and when I got to that moment,
Speaker 1: it was nothing that's gonna stop me from one of
Speaker 1: that fight. You know, I hit that man so hard.
Speaker 1: I partially it wasn't a tap out through the due
Speaker 1: the arm or choke. I was punching this man out.
Speaker 1: He said, funck this. He started hitting the mask and
Speaker 1: I'm up, Now you ain't paying me enough. I told
Speaker 1: me he was a wrestler, and this dude hit me
Speaker 1: with the Holy Ghost. So it just felt good and
Speaker 1: I at that moment in time, my family was like,
Speaker 1: why are you doing this? Are you going through identity crisis.
Speaker 1: Why are you fighting? Why don't you just be a
Speaker 1: wrestling coach? And I'm like, nah, but I felt like
Speaker 1: I can kill somebody with my bare hands, and I
Speaker 1: feel like I start praying about it, like God, is
Speaker 1: this right? Is this? Am I doing the right thing?
Speaker 1: Is it's wrong? And and they were quickly reminded that
Speaker 1: we've been warrant since the beginning of time. David was
Speaker 1: a warrior, you know what I mean. Think of Samson,
Speaker 1: he was a warrior. God created us. I'm not I'm
Speaker 1: not claiming off into being the next Bible coming out,
Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, war is a
Speaker 1: part of our blood. And I'm fighting for my family.
Speaker 1: I'm fighting for what I believe, and I'm fighting for
Speaker 1: people that grew up in Ferguson. I don't think it's possible.
Speaker 1: I'm fighting for people that's been taking advantage of manipulated,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And it really passed over
Speaker 1: and and someone told you you couldn't do it. That's
Speaker 1: what I'm fighting for. So it is right, and that's
Speaker 1: why I'm gonna chosen one m So you make your
Speaker 1: strike debut a few months after that at the Crib
Speaker 1: in Missouri two June six, two thousand nine one by submission.
Speaker 1: Now you're on the biggest stage. After you won that fund,
Speaker 1: you signed a six six fight deal with Strike Force.
Speaker 1: Did you kind of feel like at that point you
Speaker 1: had made it or what was your thought process when? Uh?
Speaker 1: When when you won year of Strike Force debut. You
Speaker 1: know what's funny is, um I went out to San
Speaker 1: Jose and then um I was at a gym called
Speaker 1: a k and um I didn't know who that gym was.
Speaker 1: I think I had my pro debut that we talked
Speaker 1: about a minute ago. I went out there and I
Speaker 1: was training, and I was like, everything to me was
Speaker 1: a tryout. So I'm like, these motherfucker's trying. They trying
Speaker 1: to test me. So I'm gonna ham every chance I got.
Speaker 1: And when I got out there, it was Bob Cook,
Speaker 1: it was Javier Mendez. You know, these are the guys
Speaker 1: that coach Dane Cormier. These are guys that coached you know,
Speaker 1: um you Kabib Domanga made off h Daniel CREMI wouldn't
Speaker 1: even didn't even want to fight then because he was like, man,
Speaker 1: you crazy. But they ain't new the animation man left,
Speaker 1: so like this, this was like literally the infant stage
Speaker 1: of my career. And I went out there and I
Speaker 1: turned up. I was rough, I was green, but they
Speaker 1: saw I had it in me. So we get to
Speaker 1: the fight and I'm weighing in. And the way it's
Speaker 1: set up is the undercard of all the Strike Force
Speaker 1: fights were basically a local promotion. It wasn't like strike
Speaker 1: Force or Showtime picked us and shout out the Showtime
Speaker 1: because guess what, that's where I started. That's from back in.
Speaker 1: But anyway, I'm at the way in, and um, I'm
Speaker 1: at the way in. And Bob Cook is a matchmaker
Speaker 1: as well. He remembered me from the gym and he
Speaker 1: came up with Scott Coker and he said, who do
Speaker 1: we need to talk to about a six fight deal?
Speaker 1: Which now we're at the way ins, Like I said,
Speaker 1: with ship my manager right here, in my coach right here,
Speaker 1: let's get a cracking right down. We stayed up to
Speaker 1: three o'clock in the morning. I waited in three o'clock
Speaker 1: in the morning, I ake my deal. The next day
Speaker 1: I went out there. They put all the cameras on.
Speaker 1: You can go and look at it right now as
Speaker 1: God is my witness, Google rise and start tiring with
Speaker 1: the that's before that's before I signed the deal officially.
Speaker 1: That's before they even knew about me. I was an
Speaker 1: undercard fighter, and I promised you historically that was the
Speaker 1: first time in the history of combast words that somebody
Speaker 1: from a locally promoted undercard. They were in the meeting
Speaker 1: and Scott Cooper said, is there anybody that that we
Speaker 1: should be looking at it on the undercar And Bob Cook,
Speaker 1: because he remembered the way I turned up at a K,
Speaker 1: he said, it's one kid. This kid right here is
Speaker 1: gonna be the Nick Diaz killer. Nick Diaz was a
Speaker 1: chap at the time. He said, he's special, He's different.
Speaker 1: If is anybody who ever look at you need to
Speaker 1: look at this one kid. I was doing this contract.
Speaker 1: My lawyer was doing the most. I said, let me
Speaker 1: tell you something, God or construed this dog. I'm not
Speaker 1: no damn fad or a mainly and Milianko Federal was
Speaker 1: a good at the time. I said, we're signing this
Speaker 1: fucking deal at three o'clock in the morning. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: whoop this motherfucker, asked tomorrow, and then I'm going on
Speaker 1: and we're gonna turn up. And that's exactly what happened.
Speaker 1: I went ten fights in a row with strike for us.
Speaker 1: Everybody was getting stopped, everybody was getting finished, and they
Speaker 1: coined me as the best athlete in the sport, the
Speaker 1: one to watch out, the rising star. He's the number
Speaker 1: one person that you need to look out with. He
Speaker 1: will be a champion, they said the local ago two
Speaker 1: thousand nine. What do you are you twenty eight at
Speaker 1: that point? Yeah, I'm twenty eight at that point. Okay,
Speaker 1: just according to biologically, but as far as body, youth
Speaker 1: and just you know, being green in sport, I was.
Speaker 1: I was a baby. I didn't you ever beer yet,
Speaker 1: but you were. You might have been a little, you know,
Speaker 1: a little late to start, but I mean that's really
Speaker 1: when you hit your athletic prime as an athlete. Though
Speaker 1: was a nine range, so you're right in prime for him,
Speaker 1: So it's not surprised at all. Go ahead, Jack, So
Speaker 1: what would you just Okay, I know you we bought
Speaker 1: from the hood, and it's a it's an old term
Speaker 1: of I'm like a pit bull ready to scratch. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I know you know what that means when uh,
Speaker 1: a young T. Woodley. How could you best describe him?
Speaker 1: Was he a young people boy ready to scratch. I
Speaker 1: never scratched, always big. I never scratched, like from the beginning,
Speaker 1: like like when I came out, you know what, you
Speaker 1: know what scratched me? Scratched me to scratch out the corner,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying to the next dog. But
Speaker 1: but I was always little though, So I was always little,
Speaker 1: so I couldn't scratch. I had to I had to
Speaker 1: go out to the biggest person always and had the
Speaker 1: bikes or I had to send a message. When I
Speaker 1: grew up, I was tiny. I was a hundred and
Speaker 1: twelve pounds with my freshman in high school. And people
Speaker 1: always tried me, and I'm like, you can try me,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna suck you up. And people were looking
Speaker 1: because I was so little, but I still my ground.
Speaker 1: I meant it, and I was not losing no street
Speaker 1: fights to nobody. So at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: like you know, the young tyrant that he came out
Speaker 1: blazing like everybody used to always be like just weather
Speaker 1: the storm, but nobody could actually weather the storm. You
Speaker 1: look at all my beginning fights. When he said, are
Speaker 1: you ready or you ready go the second he'd do
Speaker 1: like that, you see somebody spread across the cage, octagon
Speaker 1: or whatever the hell they call it, and you see
Speaker 1: somebody just swinging. It may have been technical and may
Speaker 1: have may have not been the fanciest Floyd Mayweather, you know,
Speaker 1: razzle dazzle, but it can't even augusta wind. It was
Speaker 1: enough to make him off from holdong hol on, Now
Speaker 1: what's going on right now? And I and I just
Speaker 1: came out with that tenacity, and then I learned the
Speaker 1: skill and then I learned the technique, and then I
Speaker 1: had the i Q, and then I had the skill sets,
Speaker 1: and then I had the game plan and the coach
Speaker 1: and the training partner and the mentality and I put
Speaker 1: that in there. But it came a time where I
Speaker 1: kind of buried a little pit bull for a little
Speaker 1: bit because I saw, you know, you started getting good technically,
Speaker 1: and you're like, I just want to make everything a
Speaker 1: chess match. Now. My coaches brought it out. Floyd said, no, Doc,
Speaker 1: He said, hit this bag with them UFC punchers. He said,
Speaker 1: you boxed the myths, but you fight this damn back.
Speaker 1: Exert yourself, exert yourself, exert yourself and he's still there,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, what I'm gonna do, not exert myself
Speaker 1: before in front of Floyd Mayweather? Like no dog, Like
Speaker 1: all I found it and guess what that pit bo
Speaker 1: had to scratch and I found and I dug it.
Speaker 1: So this whole training camp we kept that thing. And UM,
Speaker 1: that's gonna be the difference from my my, my last
Speaker 1: few lessons you guys may have view in the UFC
Speaker 1: versus this session. I'm about the T shirt in this
Speaker 1: boxing mesh. I got a question. So, I mean you
Speaker 1: mentioned early on a dog maybe not as technically sound
Speaker 1: as you learned to be. I kind of feel like
Speaker 1: in the NBA, as talented as you are, it takes
Speaker 1: you about three, four, maybe even five years to understand
Speaker 1: how to play the NBA game. You could be a
Speaker 1: super athlete. But until you kind of you you get
Speaker 1: those years under your belt, you know, around your four
Speaker 1: you start seeing you know, you start really seeing the
Speaker 1: light as a fighter. What is it? How long do
Speaker 1: you feel like that process? How many fights did you
Speaker 1: feel like you you know, kind of had to get
Speaker 1: under your belt until you really started figuring out, like,
Speaker 1: I know, what the funk this is all about now.
Speaker 1: Our sport tastes long agough to be honest, because you
Speaker 1: think about the sport of person jiu jitsu, eight year
Speaker 1: old man doing that, it's you know, it's it's not
Speaker 1: so much about how much you weigh in the force
Speaker 1: you can apply. It's about if he wants to go
Speaker 1: this way, let them go that way, but let me
Speaker 1: have three or four things for him wants to get
Speaker 1: on that side. So our score, Um, the guys are
Speaker 1: really peeking between the ages of thirty five and probably
Speaker 1: my ages when you go. That's what Anderson Sylvia was
Speaker 1: as best. That's when Daniel Cormier was his best. Because
Speaker 1: you have the equal part of that pitboard that you
Speaker 1: started with. You gain the skills heet, you've got the
Speaker 1: experience now because you've been in there with the grades.
Speaker 1: The older you get, the better you get, the higher
Speaker 1: the competition. So the more complex of training camp is
Speaker 1: and the tougher the fight is. Once you actually get
Speaker 1: in there, you don't lose that experience. Jake doesn't have that.
Speaker 1: He's never been in there with the Robbie Lawlers, the
Speaker 1: that your born killers, the fucking guerrillas, the Darren Tills,
Speaker 1: the up and coming fighters, the legendary fighters, the Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame fighters. I've been in there with all of
Speaker 1: them and now on one of them. So at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, our sport, I believe that if
Speaker 1: you started young as a freestyle fighter, meaning that you
Speaker 1: don't come in with a base, it's gonna take you
Speaker 1: ten years in my opinion, to really get to that
Speaker 1: point where I'm looking at you like I will look
Speaker 1: at a Max Holloway or something like that. If you
Speaker 1: come in with a very very you know, great amateur
Speaker 1: wrestling career or a very high level boxing career, only
Speaker 1: those two because those boxers drill all the time. So
Speaker 1: when it comes down to drill and wrestling and jiujitsu,
Speaker 1: there you send the custom to drilling a football player.
Speaker 1: And if you a heavyweight, that's different, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. I feel like the heavyweights to do better
Speaker 1: coming from other professional sports. But in general, I would
Speaker 1: say ten year mark is the mark where you really
Speaker 1: really started to like, you know, become untouchable. And then
Speaker 1: if you can take care of your body, don't flows
Speaker 1: your body with fucking p ds and sterborates and all
Speaker 1: this other stuff, and you actually maintain a good humble mindset,
Speaker 1: and you're learning skill sets as you go prior to
Speaker 1: your twelve and fourteen markets when you're gonna go to
Speaker 1: That's what I feel like. So you mentioned it earlier,
Speaker 1: shout out Showtime. Obviously they pay because they pay us.
Speaker 1: But you made your Showtime debut in two thousand nine,
Speaker 1: almost a twelve years later, you're back on Showtime in
Speaker 1: the biggest fight of the year in boxing. How does
Speaker 1: that feel? It feels amazing, because you know they really
Speaker 1: they give you a chance to be a star. If
Speaker 1: you're a star, you'll start. If you're not, you're not.
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, you gotta be
Speaker 1: a lot of that chance to show. And I feel
Speaker 1: like the promotion, I feel like all the even just
Speaker 1: the posters, even just the like I don't know if
Speaker 1: you guys saw the promo, but if you haven't got
Speaker 1: a chance of thirty seconds, you know me will sh
Speaker 1: It's scrolling on I g so you look at it's
Speaker 1: just like he's selecting somebody. He selected me. I can't
Speaker 1: see him. I'm on the other side. I graphically, motherfucker,
Speaker 1: I select you too, and then we're going to wore
Speaker 1: a boom. He's this a polarizing figure out of YouTube
Speaker 1: sensation Boom Tyron Woodie. Now now they're making it known
Speaker 1: that this is a motherfucking fight. Y'all said, oh, you'll
Speaker 1: want to do but at least this kid he stepped up.
Speaker 1: Let's be real. He didn't have to pick me. He
Speaker 1: could have paid Tyson Fury because they could have picked
Speaker 1: the other little belt or dude, he could have picked
Speaker 1: some other person. Boxing usually builds up. This motherfucker's stepped
Speaker 1: in front of a real person that is going to
Speaker 1: try to knock his head off his neck, and you
Speaker 1: gotta give him credit. Forward. So now the promo was
Speaker 1: shown us this is a fight. So you spent three
Speaker 1: years oh nine to two thousand twelve and Strike Force.
Speaker 1: What was that transition like to the UFC. Uh? You know,
Speaker 1: obviously if UFC is at the top of the game
Speaker 1: or you know, the top of the pyramid when it
Speaker 1: comes to m M A fighting, What was it like
Speaker 1: when you finally made that transition? It was? It was?
Speaker 1: It was it like a high school to college jump.
Speaker 1: You know, we kind of say sometimes that college to
Speaker 1: the league jump is serious. Like, what kind of difference
Speaker 1: did you see in fighters from the UFC opposed to
Speaker 1: the Strike Force. No, I mean we blessed. We blessed
Speaker 1: the UFC. They're lucky to have us. We we came
Speaker 1: and we put swag into the organization. Our belt was better,
Speaker 1: Our walk Toway division was way deeper. Our championshi were better.
Speaker 1: Like you gotta do your math. Came Alaska's strike for us.
Speaker 1: Day Cremier strike for us, the Man, the new strike
Speaker 1: for us, Rhonda Rossy strike for us. Mr Strike for us.
Speaker 1: We can him over and every took named. Robbie Lawler,
Speaker 1: strike for Syrol Woodley, strike for us. All of the
Speaker 1: champions at one point in time were from Strike for US,
Speaker 1: and we came over. We had the best year in
Speaker 1: two thousand and ten, were the best heavyweight division. We
Speaker 1: had fighter and the ankle. Daniel Cormian was the alternate pick.
Speaker 1: He wasn't even in the tournament. He got in because
Speaker 1: somebody got injury. He had Josh Barnett, you had, you know,
Speaker 1: everybody could think of. Dan Henderson was strike for us.
Speaker 1: All these different people were in Strike for us. So
Speaker 1: at that time that we came over, the UFC they
Speaker 1: bought us because we were too big of a competitors
Speaker 1: they had a lot of injuries, that had a lot
Speaker 1: of fight cars go out. They had a lot of
Speaker 1: lackluster fights, and we was lit. We was cracking. It
Speaker 1: was the craziest year ever so for us and for
Speaker 1: me particular, I had one tended. Oh, I was undefeated.
Speaker 1: I never saw myself losing in the sport. And um,
Speaker 1: I got knocked out in the world title fight, my
Speaker 1: first world title fight. I got knocked out, first and
Speaker 1: only fight by kids came to already had a shelf
Speaker 1: in the gym for the belt. I never thought I
Speaker 1: was gonna lose, and I got crushed, and I was
Speaker 1: kind of depressed, and you know what I mean. I
Speaker 1: went in a little corner for a minute, but I said,
Speaker 1: fun that man. I came out and I had to
Speaker 1: show people. So my first UFC fight, and never forget it,
Speaker 1: I fought against Jay Heron, which was my dog by
Speaker 1: the way, I knocked him out in thirty six seconds
Speaker 1: and this to the day, one of the fastest, most
Speaker 1: electrifying blitzers across the octagon. I pushed them so many
Speaker 1: times and I had to let people, I say, guess
Speaker 1: what wealth the way So I'm here now and everybody
Speaker 1: data pulled me into the back. He said, that's how
Speaker 1: you do it. That's how you show two million people
Speaker 1: what it's all about. We're gonna take care of you
Speaker 1: at the UFC. Love your tenacity, love your your abilities. Man.
Speaker 1: You everybody's talking about showing the internet out of all.
Speaker 1: So I had to let my fucus know. And that's
Speaker 1: that's kind of what I did in my first fight.
Speaker 1: So I was already coined is as someone to look
Speaker 1: out for. And then I took a bump my last
Speaker 1: fight and strike for us. I lost and then they
Speaker 1: got bought out. I didn't get a chance to redeem myself.
Speaker 1: So when I came to the UFC, I had to
Speaker 1: turn up mm hm. So fast forward three years later.
Speaker 1: You know, you have a chance to become the walterweight champion.
Speaker 1: You defeat Robbie Lawler and UFC two oh one. What
Speaker 1: do you remember about that special night? I just remember
Speaker 1: about the night that. Um. I feel like I had
Speaker 1: been in this position before, and you know, I didn't
Speaker 1: want to I didn't want to shoot down my leg
Speaker 1: this time. I want to make sure I got it done.
Speaker 1: You know, UM, I always used to imagine the n
Speaker 1: C double A's and wrestling, and they got that one
Speaker 1: mat to one stage. You come in there and get
Speaker 1: everybody came running from one corner, stumped on the mats,
Speaker 1: and I just knew I was gonna see that at
Speaker 1: least by my senior year and win the n C
Speaker 1: Double A title. And I never got that. So this
Speaker 1: was my version of that. And when I got to
Speaker 1: that point where I was in there, I'm like, it's nothing,
Speaker 1: It's nothing that's gonna stop me from when there's nothing
Speaker 1: that's gonna stop me from, when there's nothing that's gonna
Speaker 1: stop me from whinning. And I just remember being so determined.
Speaker 1: I just remember that that the thought of defeat was
Speaker 1: not even in my mind. It was like, what Ron
Speaker 1: and I gonna do it in? That's all. I kept thinking,
Speaker 1: what round am I gonna do it in? And um,
Speaker 1: you know, I got the opportunity. I sensed a little
Speaker 1: fear in him. I did a couple of things that really,
Speaker 1: you know, I saw a showcasing on the wrestling and Robbie,
Speaker 1: remember we should be training partners, We were teammates. He
Speaker 1: was a buddy, and my kids loved him, my ex
Speaker 1: wife loved him. They we were fans of him, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, because it's such a humble guy,
Speaker 1: and I saw a level changing, like I was going
Speaker 1: for a shot. He dropped his hands like overly compensated
Speaker 1: because he remember those hours in those days when I
Speaker 1: throw him around like a rag doll and wrestling, and
Speaker 1: he was really scared of it. So I said, oh,
Speaker 1: so I shook it off, circled around to the right,
Speaker 1: came back right in front of him. I did that
Speaker 1: same lovely change. He dropped them hands and I went
Speaker 1: outside his head, bob and he was down. Then I
Speaker 1: just do a couple of extra on hers, just in case,
Speaker 1: because he was tough. And then at that point, like
Speaker 1: the just a lion jumped out my body. And it
Speaker 1: was like everybody that said I couldn't do with everybody
Speaker 1: that thought he was just gonna knock me out. I've
Speaker 1: been down for eight months. I was injured, and everybody
Speaker 1: has so much to say. And I didn't deserve this fight,
Speaker 1: and I was gonna lose. And I was a fucking speedbag.
Speaker 1: I was easy walk. He was just gonna mark me,
Speaker 1: and I was just really like I said, let me
Speaker 1: show you, motherfucker's how great I am. And that's probably
Speaker 1: why I like that Mohammad Ali quote the most. What
Speaker 1: was the biggest difference from training from boxing to from
Speaker 1: m m A to UFC. What's the biggest difference, I
Speaker 1: think the biggest. The biggest differences in MM may we
Speaker 1: get a lot, we get away with a lot. So
Speaker 1: when I boxed, some coaches are working with us. They
Speaker 1: don't want to one. They don't want to lose as
Speaker 1: a card too. They don't want to, you know, change
Speaker 1: what we've done and our stances are a little bit
Speaker 1: more wider. You know, we're able to throw punches, more
Speaker 1: sharp punches and make noise and it look cool. But
Speaker 1: they're more on extending your punches. Everything has to has
Speaker 1: defense before defense afterwards meaningful punches. Where are you putting
Speaker 1: and why are you throwing that? You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Every time somebody throws something, don't just make a miss,
Speaker 1: make them pay. So I think the suicidens of boxing.
Speaker 1: For me, it's been great to learn. I love it,
Speaker 1: but it's also been the most difficult because I got
Speaker 1: so many years conditioned and allowed to throw techniques with
Speaker 1: one hand down, not pivot in the lead, narrow being
Speaker 1: on why target, because I could always tell my coach
Speaker 1: Brown coach Eric Brown in l A, Well, I'm set
Speaker 1: up this way because if he kicks my leg, I
Speaker 1: can just turn out and check. Or if I need
Speaker 1: to get a take down, I can take him down.
Speaker 1: Or if he comes for a shot, I'd need to
Speaker 1: be squared to to to defend him. Or you know
Speaker 1: he made through an elbow instead of this, So this
Speaker 1: is why my hands position like. We got to make
Speaker 1: a lot of excuses and box him. You don't like
Speaker 1: when I when I get off here, I'm gonna take
Speaker 1: a nap and I gotta go spar pro boxing. And
Speaker 1: the last time I coach had you lost two of
Speaker 1: these rounds. This is why this is what you did.
Speaker 1: You were winning this round. This is where you gave
Speaker 1: it away. This is where you let him look like
Speaker 1: he was more regressor. So I gotta I gotta compartmentalize
Speaker 1: that when I go onto the night, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: lose one around to night. Yea, So Floyd was giving
Speaker 1: you advice, obviously, it kind of made it seem like you.
Speaker 1: You mentioned earlier that he wanted to kind of prepare
Speaker 1: you to be a champion. So is he training you?
Speaker 1: Did he give you advice, like, how is Floyd helped
Speaker 1: you prepare for this fight? Yeah, we I checked in
Speaker 1: with Floyd weekly. His his trainer on G teams. You
Speaker 1: guys may know his trained and Floyd Mayweather. He trains
Speaker 1: Javonte Davis. He trains Adrian Browner, and he's one of
Speaker 1: the top trainers. You know, he was one of the
Speaker 1: top boxes at the time when he was competing. So
Speaker 1: the first time I trained with with Floyd, he was there,
Speaker 1: he was one of the facilitate most of the mint.
Speaker 1: They both was evaluating my technique, my shot of box
Speaker 1: and my bag work and just making notes. And then
Speaker 1: I trained with both of those guys again, and then
Speaker 1: Floyd told him, he said, I want you to stay
Speaker 1: here in Miami. I don't need you traveling. I don't
Speaker 1: need you moving around. I need you to be here
Speaker 1: for him every day. Everything he need I needed him
Speaker 1: to have in like Clockwart every morning, he run with me.
Speaker 1: Every day we're working out. He's calling him a Sean cool.
Speaker 1: He was a part of the reason why I didn't
Speaker 1: go out to l A said, can you do this remotely?
Speaker 1: I want you to stay put. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I haven't been home to see my kids. I missing
Speaker 1: it out of my daughter and my son's so at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, Um, you know, I had
Speaker 1: a conversation with Floor which I can't share yesterday. But
Speaker 1: Floyd don't sunk around man when you when he feels
Speaker 1: like you his people, he don't play like he makes
Speaker 1: it happy. He moves mountains. And it was something small,
Speaker 1: but he turned up as if it was like something
Speaker 1: fucking ginormous, and I'm like, man, this is motherfucker. Don't
Speaker 1: working around about me. So he I think he. I
Speaker 1: think he respects how professional I am, how hard I'm working,
Speaker 1: and just from the reports back from GT how how
Speaker 1: good I'm getting to be honest, I don't know how
Speaker 1: to have supput it in such a sharp period of time.
Speaker 1: Switching lanes a little bit. Uh, you do a little
Speaker 1: acting in your spare time. Tell us how you came
Speaker 1: up on that straight out of Compton role, and how
Speaker 1: how was that experience working in such a legendary movie.
Speaker 1: You know, my my Homilynoing was doing some in the
Speaker 1: Stone choreography for and I was kind of joking when
Speaker 1: I find out he got it. You know, he's also
Speaker 1: sistered and directed Cobra Kai you know as a phenomenal
Speaker 1: director now, but he started as a stunt performer and
Speaker 1: stunt coordinator, second Union director, and then he moved up
Speaker 1: to director. So I remember sending them pictures are like
Speaker 1: me dressed up as a gang banger and media red
Speaker 1: flying on me in blue and I was like, well, fuck,
Speaker 1: you better put me in this movie or I'm beating
Speaker 1: your ass. Like that's that's literally what I thought. And
Speaker 1: then I was I was kind of like, of course
Speaker 1: I wanted to be in a movie. But then I
Speaker 1: actually kind of was sending into him kind of like funny.
Speaker 1: But he started sending those pictures to Ice Cube and
Speaker 1: f Gary Gray, and then f Gary Gray and Cube said,
Speaker 1: I like his look, we want to pick They picked
Speaker 1: me for the for the movie. It wasn't based on
Speaker 1: M M A. It wasn't based on you know, who
Speaker 1: I was, because I wasn't really nothing at that time,
Speaker 1: to be clear. So they picked me because I had
Speaker 1: a very convincing look. And then actually once I got there,
Speaker 1: I was supposed to do a different role and I
Speaker 1: was like, they wanted me to cut my beard off,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh ship, I long a Doug, come
Speaker 1: my beard off and then at the very last minute,
Speaker 1: Cube said no, I want him to play t Bone
Speaker 1: from the Lynch Mob right, keep his beard. So I
Speaker 1: went from a couple of days to six weeks with
Speaker 1: a supporting role. I got my little bars under my lines.
Speaker 1: But I was in so many different seas in the movie,
Speaker 1: so that's kind of how that came about. And I
Speaker 1: don't do acting on the side. I'm a artists all around.
Speaker 1: I do everything on the top um. The sport and
Speaker 1: mixed martial arts is the art that I started first,
Speaker 1: so of course I'm gonna be further along. But music, movies, producing, podcasts,
Speaker 1: and television show writing, all those forms of art I participated.
Speaker 1: And I don't allow people to to minimize or to
Speaker 1: try to make me stay and just punch or staying
Speaker 1: just due to work behind the desk, you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: anything that God gave me, any gift that he gave me,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pursue. And I'm good at all of them,
Speaker 1: but it's gonna take more time for some of these.
Speaker 1: It's like an equalizer. You don't kick them all up
Speaker 1: at the same time, you know what I mean. The
Speaker 1: dial for wrestling was there first, and then it was
Speaker 1: mixed martial arts and then after I smoked Jake on
Speaker 1: the twenty ninth of August and Cleveland, Ohio. You're gonna
Speaker 1: see that one jumped up real quick just because of
Speaker 1: the platform that is given. But musically as an actor,
Speaker 1: as a writer, as a producer, and soon I probably
Speaker 1: end up directing. Um, you're gonna see all those things
Speaker 1: go to the top and to the point where you
Speaker 1: just give me credited as an artist performing art. And
Speaker 1: I picked the canvas. You don't pick the canvas, you know,
Speaker 1: And that's that's that's what I want the fans to
Speaker 1: know about me. How did you get the nickname that
Speaker 1: was on one? Uh? It came from just basically, you know,
Speaker 1: I was t Wood and you know, my my, my
Speaker 1: guys just call me hot Sauce. Ain't because I joked
Speaker 1: him and I was like when Ben Aston was a
Speaker 1: wrestler and all these other guys like, what's your nickname?
Speaker 1: I said, well, don't call me coach because I was
Speaker 1: just your teammate five minutes ago. I said, if you're
Speaker 1: gonna call me something, to call me coach Hot Sauce.
Speaker 1: I was joking, and they started calling me hot sauce,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm not from another damn hot sauce
Speaker 1: because at that time it was and one cat, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So I was like, no, I
Speaker 1: can't do that. You know. Then when I right before
Speaker 1: I switched from Strike Force to UFC, I wanted and
Speaker 1: I wanted a new slate. I wanted. I wanted to
Speaker 1: I didn't want to be t Wood the more. And
Speaker 1: then um, I saw thinking about my life and diversity
Speaker 1: and why I came from and how many times I
Speaker 1: was never supposed to make it. I was never supposed
Speaker 1: to be here. I was never supposed to, you know,
Speaker 1: make it out of why I even lived at let's know,
Speaker 1: graduated high school, college or do anything. And I feel
Speaker 1: like God chose me for this. He chose my life,
Speaker 1: He chose my body as a vessel to use. So
Speaker 1: when people see me run across this cage or knock
Speaker 1: somebody out or you know the capitate Jake Paul, they're like, man,
Speaker 1: how And I'm always say him. So I feel like
Speaker 1: he shows me for this. You know, he put me
Speaker 1: in position to do this. He gave me the right resources,
Speaker 1: the family, everybody in my family. But like you said,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna liven or thirteen. They didn't go to no
Speaker 1: band camp, they didn't go to the track and field camp.
Speaker 1: They couldn't do basketball, we couldn't go to the movies.
Speaker 1: We showed on each other in the live room. That
Speaker 1: was our apollo. So they invested it to me. And
Speaker 1: when they did that, I felt obligated to turn up
Speaker 1: for our last name. And I did so. And and
Speaker 1: now my family model for my kids, just make your
Speaker 1: name great. My son is a four parte students senior
Speaker 1: in high school um recruited by Yale, Harvard, Stanford, North Korea,
Speaker 1: North Carolina, North Dakota State, Kansas State. He's gonna go
Speaker 1: to Vision one for football and he's made his name great.
Speaker 1: And my other sons a soccer player ten years old
Speaker 1: on the select team. My daughter is a recording artist.
Speaker 1: She's also just you know, a whole personality. She's the
Speaker 1: one that really shot a camera in front of her.
Speaker 1: And my other son is the fifth fastest running back
Speaker 1: in the entire country at thirteen years old. So my
Speaker 1: kids have made their name great. And they learned from me.
Speaker 1: They learn from my mistakes, they learn from what I
Speaker 1: did well. But one thing they never seen me do
Speaker 1: is quick ever fact alright, quick hitters. Now we're coming
Speaker 1: down to the end of the interview. So first thing
Speaker 1: to come to mind. Let it go, Jack, go ahead,
Speaker 1: you got him top five rappers of all a time.
Speaker 1: Oh we gotta go with number one. I gotta go
Speaker 1: with tupac Um. Nobody moved moved my spirit and just
Speaker 1: made me really listen to him like that, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: jump around a little bit. These are not like in order.
Speaker 1: After that he number one for me always, Like Kendrick Lamar,
Speaker 1: he was so creative, almost introverts to the point where
Speaker 1: he was almost a genius where he just couldn't even
Speaker 1: socialize normally. Um. And then she just because not so
Speaker 1: much about the lyrical he was. He was lyrically phenomenal.
Speaker 1: But what he's still for he actually gave away and
Speaker 1: showed people how to get to the bag and how
Speaker 1: to uplift the community. He showed it. Um, joining the
Speaker 1: Lucas is a home of mine. But also I just
Speaker 1: love his consistency and his persistence as a MC, his
Speaker 1: ability to change his flow, how fast he can wrap,
Speaker 1: how slow he can wrap, what he can talk about
Speaker 1: the beats, the concept of visuals. He's he's an artist. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, he should really consider acting. I don't know
Speaker 1: if he has or not, but he's a phenomenal artist
Speaker 1: and here recently, to be real honest, like, I've just
Speaker 1: been listening to a lot of drill music because my
Speaker 1: mind has just been kind of you know, in that position,
Speaker 1: just the one that just fuck him up. So, um,
Speaker 1: when I think about drill music, you gotta just go
Speaker 1: ahead and go one of the ogs, like the locks,
Speaker 1: because I don't know if y'all saw what happened the
Speaker 1: other day with Jada. Kiss is a whole other dude,
Speaker 1: And I want to say, oh, another something else, but
Speaker 1: I really he was that, and he was that as
Speaker 1: something so I want to he wasn't. He was always
Speaker 1: someone I looked up to and I thought he was phenomenal.
Speaker 1: He's never had a bad verse in my mind, but
Speaker 1: the way he handled that, the way he performed that,
Speaker 1: his tone, his delivery, he didn't forget one line of
Speaker 1: no Worse, and his mixtape Ship was on the on
Speaker 1: the heads of most people's deluxe albums. I really now
Speaker 1: think that he's now on the top five there a lot,
Speaker 1: so Jenny Kiss gotta get in there and we got
Speaker 1: to say shout out to Marathon clothes and I got
Speaker 1: my box and you see i'm fitted today. I ain't
Speaker 1: open my box. Yes, shout out Marathon, but also too
Speaker 1: we had a chance to have We had Jada a
Speaker 1: week before the the verses at the garden and he
Speaker 1: was excited. I thought it was dope because if you
Speaker 1: look at everyone had Dip set, everyone had Dip set on.
Speaker 1: Dip Set's gonna do this, Dip said, it's gonna do that.
Speaker 1: Jada really came throughing fucked all that ship up, yeah,
Speaker 1: Dip said. Dip said, I mean, I'm a fan of
Speaker 1: different They're great entertainers, but they're not better wrappers. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Not not only that, Like this is the thing if
Speaker 1: I was, if I was, then which I'm not them,
Speaker 1: there them come out off the gate. I really mean it, um,
Speaker 1: Dip said at them. You know, hey, mab From the
Speaker 1: beginning they waited until the end was too late that
Speaker 1: there was so many nails in the casket by time
Speaker 1: they got to them songs, and it was like it
Speaker 1: was to the point where I felt like had they
Speaker 1: did that, maybe it would have been different. But I
Speaker 1: still don't think it was enough. It was. It was
Speaker 1: when when they were DJ Tech shout out to him.
Speaker 1: I don't even know him to shot him out, but
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, every time they wanted to change the
Speaker 1: direction and to order the sequence, he was right there.
Speaker 1: Um Santanna said something about do they even like the ladies? Said,
Speaker 1: do I like the ladies? Boom? Mary J Blige booms,
Speaker 1: j Low boom. He was like, we got Grammys. What
Speaker 1: you talking a carry? Yeah, Like like there was instant
Speaker 1: like oatmeal, and I just feel like that level of
Speaker 1: entertainment and entertainers and real bars matters and just styles
Speaker 1: peple Like I was, I was kind of want to
Speaker 1: see how people we're gonna deal with Jim Jones balling
Speaker 1: songs versus I get high. They could have lot. They
Speaker 1: should have just let them go heads up because they
Speaker 1: was gonna head up on I g anyway. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Jada Kiss and Cameron, But you can't really put Cameron
Speaker 1: on the same level Jada Kiss because at the time
Speaker 1: Cameron came out, we didn't hear before and he had
Speaker 1: he was super drippy, super crafty. But um, like Jada's iconic,
Speaker 1: He's legendary, he's classic, he's Timeless. You can go back
Speaker 1: and grab some of those records from twenty years ago
Speaker 1: and they can go head some with a lot of
Speaker 1: records now. So overall, I like the band. So I
Speaker 1: liked it back and forth. I like what it did
Speaker 1: for the for hip hop, for for you know, New
Speaker 1: York City in particular, but in general. Jada Kiss just
Speaker 1: as a different monster man. He came out like crazy,
Speaker 1: crazy shout out Jada Kiss. Episode dropping soon. You can
Speaker 1: go back to one sporting event and watch it live.
Speaker 1: Which one would it be and why any sporting event? Hey,
Speaker 1: Mike Tyson against Holy Few when he beat his here,
Speaker 1: I want to see his face and when he was
Speaker 1: thinking when he did that, Like what went through his mind?
Speaker 1: That saut I'm black blacked out off, like not not
Speaker 1: nibble my man, he beat that motherfucker off. So I
Speaker 1: gotta be that one, like I wanted to say, I
Speaker 1: was there and I saw it. Soundtrack to the lead
Speaker 1: up to Your Big Fight three songs and three all
Speaker 1: the that same rotation to this ask whipping You're about
Speaker 1: to give Jake Um ambitious of a Rider, tupac Um.
Speaker 1: It's a song, Yeah, Kilmo, Kilmo is a song pop
Speaker 1: smoke new album called thirty. It's basically somebody if you
Speaker 1: think it's weep all up. Um in my track, I
Speaker 1: gotta track called Go Big and I can't announce the
Speaker 1: feature on it. We're about to shoot this video Monday. Um,
Speaker 1: but the dude. The dude only make kids only platinum songs.
Speaker 1: But it's a song called Go Big, produced by Hitmaker
Speaker 1: and Chris Sewn. Those guys are phenomenal. Shout out to them.
Speaker 1: Make a sound. Um, but it's really an anthem song.
Speaker 1: It's really a license songs and it's encouraging everybody. Fuck
Speaker 1: winning the title, fuck being this and being good. Let's
Speaker 1: go big and everything. Let's go big on the podcast
Speaker 1: Let's Go Big, Yeah, go big on Big And it's
Speaker 1: a really motivated song. This last two years has been
Speaker 1: shitty for a lot of people, pandemic politics, and we've
Speaker 1: been down now with timeing to level of Let's go big.
Speaker 1: It's trillions out here if people, if anybody can put
Speaker 1: a big toe on them more, I can. So the
Speaker 1: god Big song is gonna be an anthem. You're gonna
Speaker 1: hear the lock onoms, You're gonna hear it on your speaker,
Speaker 1: You're gonna hear it everywhere, So that's gonna be dropping
Speaker 1: right before the fight. It's going to be the walkout
Speaker 1: to the fight. I'm gonna save the feature for for
Speaker 1: later on. You guys, mean, y'all see it. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be very very sooner for the moment, and I'm excited
Speaker 1: about that. So yeah, go big. We're going to season three,
Speaker 1: so we're gonna go big on big two. Boom boom,
Speaker 1: there we go. Top five Dinner guests Debt or Alive?
Speaker 1: So at dinner Debt or Alive? Who who you plus
Speaker 1: five at that table? Oh? Debt? A live wiz, never
Speaker 1: been in a bad mood around him. Wis Khalifa shout
Speaker 1: out to him. He gave me my first super cool,
Speaker 1: super super super great at business, but also good at
Speaker 1: keeping all money and bringing his homies up, bringing his
Speaker 1: family forth, and it's teaching them way to make money legally. Um,
Speaker 1: Jamie Fox, because he's a comedian, he's an actor, he's
Speaker 1: a singer, he's just a fire ass homie. So definitely him.
Speaker 1: Who else? I gotta get some females in here. I'm
Speaker 1: trying to pick somebody that ain't brewed up because I
Speaker 1: don't want to disaffect nobody. Um, Nil Long, I know
Speaker 1: she got a man, but she's just so classic. She
Speaker 1: just get better with time. And um, you know, she's
Speaker 1: been in some remarkable films and she's just really made
Speaker 1: culture shift in a whole different way. So Nil Long, Um,
Speaker 1: let me see, let me get some athletes in this mug.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna just invite my tool armies right here we're doing.
Speaker 1: That's fine, barns and stack. Now we up. We're gonna
Speaker 1: medicate again. Yeah, the person, the person that we've been
Speaker 1: attitude that so we gotta hold up. There we go,
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm hold myself to that minus the others.
Speaker 1: I can't vounce with others I get with and Jamie.
Speaker 1: But Nil Long, maybe out we put enough. We definitely
Speaker 1: pull it up for sure. Celebration. If you can have
Speaker 1: one guest on all the smoke, who would it be?
Speaker 1: But before you answer, you have to help us with
Speaker 1: your answer. All right, all right, I have to help
Speaker 1: you get the person on there that that's smart. You
Speaker 1: guys are real smart for that. Um, you see, who
Speaker 1: can I get on your show that I think will
Speaker 1: be dope? I would say Floyd Maywell? Has he been
Speaker 1: on there. Yere good call my dog Floyd. Hey tell
Speaker 1: Floyd will come wherever he's at. Two were in there.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do my best to try to make that happen.
Speaker 1: Appreciate it. Closing thoughts, Man August twenty night, Ohio. Lights on,
Speaker 1: bells about to ring. What could we expect that night
Speaker 1: from you? Closing thoughts August twenty nights, Cleaveland, Ohio. You're
Speaker 1: gonna see Tyron. Would look up at the sky. He's
Speaker 1: gonna take a deep breath, then free it in that
Speaker 1: fresh wind. The Holy Spirit will into my body and
Speaker 1: it would be lights on and would very very quickly
Speaker 1: be lights out and nothing that. You may not see
Speaker 1: any celebration. Let me see Stone Cold walk off. Because
Speaker 1: I am a champion, and champions wins fights. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go out there. I'm gonna do what I'm supposed to do.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna salute my coaches, I'm gonna hug up my family,
Speaker 1: and this is the beginning of my new reign. You
Speaker 1: will see me at the top for a very long time. Biologically,
Speaker 1: I can give a funk less about what the a say.
Speaker 1: My mind, my spirit, my body, everything is in tune.
Speaker 1: I'm excited about the opportunity. I'm blessed to get a
Speaker 1: second chance. This time, I will do it the right way.
Speaker 1: I would get glory where it goes, and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: let people know what's possible. Pretend your solo cameras, Jake,
Speaker 1: we gave him the same opportunity. What you want to
Speaker 1: say to him, I ain't got nothing to say to you.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna show you. I'm from the show Me stay
Speaker 1: m M M. August Showtime pay per View, Cruiserweight Boxing
Speaker 1: Mega event Time and would leave versus Jake. Paul Sunday
Speaker 1: will be front row everyone, all of our fans. Make
Speaker 1: sure you tune in Showtime pay per View. Best of
Speaker 1: luck to you, Bro. Appreciate you. When you get back
Speaker 1: to l A, I got something waiting on you. We're
Speaker 1: gonna get up burnt until then, Bro, best of luck.
Speaker 1: Appreciate you. I appreciate it. Appreciate it. Good luck. Take
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