Speaker 1: We all take take VALI. We are the authorities all
Speaker 1: things R and B. Ladies and gentlemen, what's going on.
Speaker 1: My name is Tank and this is the R and
Speaker 1: B Money Podcast, the authority all things R and B. M.
Speaker 1: It's one of those days. Um, we got somebody in
Speaker 1: the building that has been doing it, been doing it
Speaker 1: high level, high level, high level, not just not just
Speaker 1: in one space, not just in one area, as I
Speaker 1: say from from the d n B, in all areas.
Speaker 1: But it's thing was, we're trying to teach you artists
Speaker 1: to be able to do it all so that your
Speaker 1: creativity is in the palm of your hands. You control
Speaker 1: your own destiny. She's gonna be around for a long time.
Speaker 1: It's a great use of words. She's making a lot
Speaker 1: of money. Yeah, bring it on, Bring it Citi. That
Speaker 1: was amazing introduction. You're doing it. He's really good at that.
Speaker 1: You're doing it. Thank you, Thank you, Thank you for
Speaker 1: being good at your craft, taking your craft seriously, perfecting
Speaker 1: it and and and taking whatever time you've needed in
Speaker 1: whatever space you've been in to do it the right way. Successfully.
Speaker 1: Success speaks to it. But as people who actually do it,
Speaker 1: we hear the difference outside of it being amazingly successful,
Speaker 1: it is is it is rich in the hours that
Speaker 1: you've put in. I see what you did working yea't
Speaker 1: be money. So thank you, um, thank you. Well. First,
Speaker 1: I have to tell this story before. I know you
Speaker 1: didn't ask for it, but uh, this is a full
Speaker 1: circle moment for me, because I don't know if you
Speaker 1: remember this. There was a friends and family Grammy party
Speaker 1: years ago when I first first came to l A
Speaker 1: before I knew about stylists and makeup and looked very country, right. Um.
Speaker 1: I come in and I'm overwhelmed. Immediately, it's all these lights.
Speaker 1: I'm seeing, you know, people I recognize. I'm like, you know,
Speaker 1: And I walked to the back and you and you
Speaker 1: are standing there, and I just remember saying out loud,
Speaker 1: I don't feel like I'm supposed to be here, and
Speaker 1: you turned around immediately was like no, you put your
Speaker 1: hands on my shoulders like you're supposed to be everywhere
Speaker 1: you are, And I just remember that. That stuck with
Speaker 1: me forever. That's crazy. And then I spent the rest
Speaker 1: of the night like joking and laughing, dancing with you guys.
Speaker 1: That was my first Hollywood party. Two eight, a long
Speaker 1: time ago. I remember what I had on. I hadn't
Speaker 1: like this purple play was very ugly outfit. I was like,
Speaker 1: nineteen or twenty is very you know, green to know anything,
Speaker 1: and that was my first experience in Hollywood. Good thing.
Speaker 1: You're not an asshole, but you know what it is though,
Speaker 1: it's like, why be that? There's no reason to be.
Speaker 1: And You've always been the same every time I see you,
Speaker 1: even if I'm just like in the corner, you know,
Speaker 1: being quiet in the room, because I know how to
Speaker 1: do that. A lot of people don't know how to
Speaker 1: just Lady Bart, I've been in many rooms. You've always
Speaker 1: been the same. I just like I enjoy what I
Speaker 1: do and I want the people around me, whether I
Speaker 1: know them or not, to have a good time at
Speaker 1: least in that moment, because all of this can get
Speaker 1: as you're in this room, can get overwhelming, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. And I learned that from Jamie Fox
Speaker 1: of always making sure people feel important involved, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. And so you know that that's that's
Speaker 1: something I had to learn, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And that is crazy. Isn't that a trick? That's a
Speaker 1: trick to stay in around for a long time. Is
Speaker 1: is that you are kind and you make people feel
Speaker 1: warm and they always remember. I mean, I remember that
Speaker 1: people have to change you sometimes in spite of you know,
Speaker 1: your gift right, and in spite of the record selling
Speaker 1: and the records playing and all these people showing. Sometimes
Speaker 1: it's like, you know what, I actually I like them.
Speaker 1: Let's get it. A long way goes a long long.
Speaker 1: I have not always had the best record, chart topping record,
Speaker 1: the million records sale first we got man, none of that.
Speaker 1: But I love people. And so if it's if it's
Speaker 1: your it's your daughter's birthday, call on FaceTime. I'm sinking
Speaker 1: happy birthday. You know what I'm saying. If it's if
Speaker 1: it's your grandma's birthday, I'm gonna give her a lap dance.
Speaker 1: Like it's all. I mean, listen, I do different things
Speaker 1: to make sure that this money keeps coming in. Understand
Speaker 1: saying booked me at okay, I'm just playing anyway. Um.
Speaker 1: First of all, shout out to you, Thank you for
Speaker 1: coming through, Thank you for rolling through. I know you
Speaker 1: are busy. I know this because I know the people
Speaker 1: you know and I know your business. I could not
Speaker 1: miss being a part of this. You know, it's important
Speaker 1: culturally and that's being part of the girl. Yeah, you're
Speaker 1: creating a space for R and B to like flourish,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna keep growing it with your health and
Speaker 1: so you know what we love to do here is
Speaker 1: we're about the origin. We're about the beginning. We're about
Speaker 1: the moment where someone said to you, baby, you got something,
Speaker 1: or you realize yourself in awakening at a moment like
Speaker 1: this could be something. Take us back to Florida. Let's
Speaker 1: go back to Florida. That's going on back. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think I had like a moment. Everybody in my family,
Speaker 1: my mom is saying, you know, it's very musical household.
Speaker 1: So I didn't realize that it wasn't normal, you know.
Speaker 1: Um I think I still have challenges with that sometimes
Speaker 1: just being like nothing, you know. Uh. But it was
Speaker 1: always singing. It was like we used to have singing competitions.
Speaker 1: I didn't have a choice. I had to sing at
Speaker 1: the funerals, the weddings, to you know, anthem, at the
Speaker 1: basketball games, at the whatever. Um My mom used to
Speaker 1: always volunteer me. You were being prepared for your moment.
Speaker 1: That's a nice wave. That's a very nice way of
Speaker 1: looking at it. I used to hate it, Just being honest,
Speaker 1: I didn't like it. Um. You know, if you're from
Speaker 1: the South, you know as you come to church on Sunday,
Speaker 1: you're gonna get that look. As you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: come on up here. Um. I was very sheltered, so
Speaker 1: I didn't get to do nothing. I couldn't go like
Speaker 1: pass the mailbox. It was like you you have the alarm.
Speaker 1: It's like you do when you open the door. Who
Speaker 1: is that? Yes? I could not go out the yard,
Speaker 1: so I didn't go anywhere. I couldn't do nothing. So
Speaker 1: I was reading. I was in my room with my
Speaker 1: little Cassio. I was composition note book, writing the songs um.
Speaker 1: And that's what I did as a kid. And so
Speaker 1: when I finally did leave or no, what happened was
Speaker 1: the internet. The Internet happened and I started uploading videos
Speaker 1: of myself singing on YouTube. Um, two thou four, what's
Speaker 1: the first one? And I developed a following from two
Speaker 1: thousand four to two thousand and six and blew up
Speaker 1: on the internet before it was a thing. So did
Speaker 1: you were you doing it from? Did you understand you
Speaker 1: start to find an algorithm in a sense. Or did
Speaker 1: were you just like, uh, I'm just gonna post right now,
Speaker 1: or did you start having like this is okay, I'm
Speaker 1: gona post at two o'clock. You know you could, you could,
Speaker 1: You could make literally, I like sent an email to
Speaker 1: YouTube and made my video go viral like it didn't exist.
Speaker 1: What are you saying? Yes, I sang the dictionary. I
Speaker 1: sang the first five pages like ard Vark, error A
Speaker 1: B A b ebba, like literally, and I started getting
Speaker 1: some traction, a couple hundred thousand views. So I sent
Speaker 1: an email, went to the bottom where it says like
Speaker 1: contact of course that you have to dig to find
Speaker 1: that now today probably doesn't even exist anymore. But I
Speaker 1: went found an email and pretended to be my assistant
Speaker 1: and was like, there's this girl. You know, she's saying
Speaker 1: the dictionary. You should put it on the front page.
Speaker 1: And this is back when YouTube used to have ten videos.
Speaker 1: That was the front page of you, right, I know
Speaker 1: exactly what you're talking about. And then I woke up
Speaker 1: the next day it was on there, off that email.
Speaker 1: It was that easy back then. Oh yeah, so I
Speaker 1: didn't you know it wasn't a thing like influencer, viral.
Speaker 1: That was not a thing. It was just you know,
Speaker 1: word of mouth, just like we in this room right now,
Speaker 1: Oh have you seen that video? And then the next
Speaker 1: room you go and you show that room. You know,
Speaker 1: That's how things got spread back then. So I started
Speaker 1: uploading videos and me singing, and people started talking to it.
Speaker 1: Was it a thing where that response said to you that,
Speaker 1: you know, well I could be a I could be
Speaker 1: RB superstar. I mean, remember I couldn't go outside. You
Speaker 1: still could. I moved out my parents house and I
Speaker 1: was nineteen. I graduated high school at seventeen, moved out
Speaker 1: when I was nineteen. So for those two years two
Speaker 1: thousand and six, two thousand and four, two thousand and
Speaker 1: six to two thousand and eight, when I first came
Speaker 1: out here, for four years, um, the Internet was my
Speaker 1: friends like I was. I would upload videos and I
Speaker 1: would literally make friends with the people who would leave comments.
Speaker 1: I still talk to some of them today. You really
Speaker 1: couldn't go outside. So was there a reason for that church? No?
Speaker 1: I think my mama knew what she was doing when
Speaker 1: she was younger. I don't know my mom just saying
Speaker 1: what were they having in the church. No, no, my
Speaker 1: mama was just very strict, like she was like, you're
Speaker 1: not about to go outside and bring home no babies
Speaker 1: and you have her family trick. I've heard this song.
Speaker 1: I've heard the song. I've heard the song. I heard
Speaker 1: I heard it. We gotta get into it, but I
Speaker 1: heard it. She just was very prospective. And then also
Speaker 1: my stepdad is a police officer, so it's like you
Speaker 1: come from the police too. Oh yeah, you're not on
Speaker 1: that door. You're not knocking on that door. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: couldn't do it. I couldn't do nothing. They they literally
Speaker 1: when I went to prom my mom was in the passenger,
Speaker 1: my dad was in drivers. They drove me to the door,
Speaker 1: opened the door, my dad got out, opened the door
Speaker 1: when they came and picked me up, took me to
Speaker 1: I Hop, came got me from IHOP, took me in
Speaker 1: my day home, my day tried to been down to
Speaker 1: give me a kids. My dad was like, like it
Speaker 1: was that, I couldn't do nothing, Like I'm with all
Speaker 1: that very sheltered, so no idea, You're you're just looking
Speaker 1: for an outlet and some type of connection to the
Speaker 1: outside world. That was exactly what it was. It was
Speaker 1: my little secret thing. I mean, my best friend at
Speaker 1: the time, he's a he's a twin and so and
Speaker 1: his brother is a pastor. So it's like he used
Speaker 1: to come to me be like Priscilla. It's really embarrassing.
Speaker 1: You know, you're online singing and people would come up
Speaker 1: to me and be like your friend post videos, you know.
Speaker 1: It was it was a thing like my own little
Speaker 1: secret identity, I guess, and my friends didn't like it.
Speaker 1: This is your friends didn't like it because I was
Speaker 1: popular on the internet. Were you making money because YouTube wasn't. No,
Speaker 1: I had about fifteen million streams. This is just for
Speaker 1: pure for the love at this point. I mean, nobody
Speaker 1: knew in two thousand six that the internet so much,
Speaker 1: so I didn't know what was going to happen to
Speaker 1: where when I got a deal. I got signed to
Speaker 1: Capitol Records in two thousand and eight, which is what
Speaker 1: the internet here. Off the internet, they used to delete
Speaker 1: my videos. So I would post something and they would
Speaker 1: delete it because they couldn't monetize who would deleted YouTube?
Speaker 1: The label would delete it. Yeah, because they didn't understand
Speaker 1: it either. Yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about
Speaker 1: because at that time, I had done a new deal
Speaker 1: right around that same time and the same thing because
Speaker 1: I got it started off of a street record, and
Speaker 1: they were like, now we gotta pull this because we
Speaker 1: can't make money off of you know, they didn't look
Speaker 1: at it as a promotional tool. They didn't look at
Speaker 1: as a promotional tool. It was a season because everything
Speaker 1: because everything was one on one track minded back then
Speaker 1: in order for it's no well, I mean now it's
Speaker 1: like everything contributes to the pop right once they once
Speaker 1: they started, you know, once they got into the three
Speaker 1: sixty space, then it became like, okay, all things can
Speaker 1: kind of pour into this. But even like when I
Speaker 1: had the shot to Fire record and we're going into
Speaker 1: T G T, yeah, we gotta shut that down because
Speaker 1: the focus has to be not thinking that all of
Speaker 1: that can add to. But yeah, I'm just saying to
Speaker 1: understand the time, he just wanted to turn out. Nigga
Speaker 1: wanted to be in the club. First of all, shout
Speaker 1: out of christ Brown. We were turning up. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: I was in the clubs. I was trap, trap trapping, right,
Speaker 1: I was respected in the trap. You didn't stand what
Speaker 1: I'm saying I was the older, the older, oldest person
Speaker 1: in the trap, but I was having a good time. Yeah. Still,
Speaker 1: I've never had that experience. Still at the club, I
Speaker 1: could go outside. I don't even know what I'm listen.
Speaker 1: My friends right now are like, girl, you need to
Speaker 1: go outside. I'm okay with being at home. So I'm listening.
Speaker 1: You already know we ship. I went on breakfast club
Speaker 1: talking about how I had never been an even on vacation.
Speaker 1: So I'm all with that. Inside. Just come to my
Speaker 1: turn the house up there and it's like too much
Speaker 1: to try to get inside. I was like, it's fine.
Speaker 1: I was a kid of that. When I can't get that,
Speaker 1: you know what you want? No parking? Where's that? I
Speaker 1: see you all later. I don't get it. I'm chasing cracking.
Speaker 1: If it's a line outside called me, called me, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna being a line. But I can't wait till we
Speaker 1: get in here. Oh yeah, I just the thought of
Speaker 1: people and sweat and it just doesn't So when you
Speaker 1: got when you you know what, you have to throw
Speaker 1: sweat in there because it beat you know, it's it's
Speaker 1: a liquid excitement. Uh So you so you you kind
Speaker 1: of get out of the house. I guess in a sense,
Speaker 1: at this point you get signed the capitol and now
Speaker 1: you're in l A L A. First two years I
Speaker 1: went crazy because you know what happens like you know,
Speaker 1: you don't get nothing, and then now all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: it's like, so I had that did you buy Rams?
Speaker 1: Because he bought Rams. I bought a lot of stuff
Speaker 1: in it that I don't have nothing to show for.
Speaker 1: How about rims? And and I tipped well at the
Speaker 1: strip club? I did really well. They knew my name.
Speaker 1: I would walk into the strip club and Michelle triple
Speaker 1: X in the building, Michelle triple X and Trish will
Speaker 1: say that boy is in here, that man is in here,
Speaker 1: and they carve out a space for me at the
Speaker 1: front and we lift this offering he had. He had
Speaker 1: no idea he was being scammed. Yeah. I don't know
Speaker 1: about strip club culture. I don't know anything. I could no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: she got enough money. She's a little offering. Dances and
Speaker 1: it's just your times in office. The dances and would
Speaker 1: make this world go around, whether they be professional or
Speaker 1: whether they be underground. This is we talk we're talking about,
Speaker 1: and it is listen. I wrote my first probably honey songs.
Speaker 1: When I came in l A. What's that one strip club?
Speaker 1: It's called food. Okay, Now see this is what I
Speaker 1: do know. L A strip club is not the same
Speaker 1: as they were. They were different. They had a different vibe.
Speaker 1: They had LA had a time when there was peanuts
Speaker 1: and legs there. These are names of These are names
Speaker 1: of strips. Peanuts was the strip club that you couldn't
Speaker 1: get it. You couldn't get into. Men couldn't women. You
Speaker 1: had to be literally someone to get into. If you're
Speaker 1: a man, nuts, if you're a man, women, all women.
Speaker 1: It was a blessed It was a blessed thing only
Speaker 1: God himself could have curated. All good and perfect things
Speaker 1: come from the Lord made these women, and he said,
Speaker 1: what do you say on the seventh day? It is good?
Speaker 1: He did, Thank you, Thank you. Somebody to hit it, working,
Speaker 1: somebody get the organ For two years while in UM,
Speaker 1: working though and writing well, because so what happened? Um?
Speaker 1: I got signed to Capitol and I'm just like, you know,
Speaker 1: doing whatever and assigned to this management company. Long story short,
Speaker 1: I end up doing this very very pop Katie Perry
Speaker 1: two point oh song and it went top forty and
Speaker 1: I went on this whole crazy radio tour UM, and
Speaker 1: I'm just happy to be here. Like I had no
Speaker 1: idea that I had a voice as an artist that
Speaker 1: I could say no, I wrote the record, you know,
Speaker 1: so I'm just like, well, of course it's me because
Speaker 1: I wrote it. UM horrible. The backlash was that when
Speaker 1: it didn't do what everybody thought it was gonna do,
Speaker 1: immediately it was like, you know, throw her in the trash,
Speaker 1: she's no good. One song. So I never got a
Speaker 1: second single. UM. The album came out, which please don't
Speaker 1: go look it up. You know they are what it
Speaker 1: was my freaking video all the time. I just tried
Speaker 1: to give him not to the it's just so cringe.
Speaker 1: It's curringe. It's like, UM, but we'll just you know,
Speaker 1: fast forward past this part. And so the record didn't
Speaker 1: do what they thought I was gonna do, and I
Speaker 1: was faced with having to possibly go back to Florida
Speaker 1: and I really didn't want to do that. So UM
Speaker 1: randomly ended up on tour on the MG tour with
Speaker 1: a con and I was supposed to be writing in
Speaker 1: the Akin had like a UM like a attachment to
Speaker 1: his tour bus that was a studio and so I
Speaker 1: was supposed to be in there writing but it only
Speaker 1: worked for like a week and then it was broken.
Speaker 1: It was supposed to be getting fixed and studios don't
Speaker 1: be worked. Yeah, I just ended up being his second assistant.
Speaker 1: So it's like me and his sister Haadi uh and
Speaker 1: we were just on tour all summer, and so that
Speaker 1: summer I decided, yeah, I don't want to go home
Speaker 1: after this. I want to keep doing this. And um,
Speaker 1: this is back when p rros were given out advances.
Speaker 1: So I got an advance from my p r oh,
Speaker 1: which is like as cat being mine, and I started
Speaker 1: writing songs and sorry, sorry, you know they're getting left out.
Speaker 1: They're getting left out to do more of it. People,
Speaker 1: you know, listen to Brian Michael Cox Evince. He stands
Speaker 1: in front of me, shout him up, sitting me personally. Listen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say who I am because you know,
Speaker 1: highest bidder, go ahead, go ahead. So I get, I
Speaker 1: get a check, I come out here and I started writing,
Speaker 1: so immediately I get like, who says Selena Gomez? Um
Speaker 1: California King be Rihanna, don't wake me up? Chris Brown
Speaker 1: like my dad yeah, I'm telling the story talk your ship,
Speaker 1: keep going, keep going, so basically as you do or something,
Speaker 1: keep going, come on, keep going. So I wrote more
Speaker 1: than that. I did, Yeah, I have, you know, but
Speaker 1: it's because my ratio was so crazy. I will go
Speaker 1: to the studio. Uh. I was going doing five sessions today,
Speaker 1: writing at least two songs in every session every day.
Speaker 1: I was doing it for how long? For about two
Speaker 1: years straighten every day every single day. From y'all say,
Speaker 1: y'all really want this ship, y'all say you're working home,
Speaker 1: M do the math two souls in five sessions a day,
Speaker 1: every single tree sixty working times too a working every
Speaker 1: day every day not working, and then I wanna come home.
Speaker 1: I was so broke that I would put the tissue
Speaker 1: in like the fruit from the fruit bow in my
Speaker 1: backpack and come home at the studio. Yeah, but I
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. That's how I was grocery shopping
Speaker 1: at the studio, at the studio, and I did that
Speaker 1: for two years, living at the oak Woods over So
Speaker 1: you hadn't done a publishing deal at all, Yes, I had.
Speaker 1: So you had a publishing deal, and you had done
Speaker 1: a deal with the p r O two. I had
Speaker 1: a publishing deal and a record deal that we're together.
Speaker 1: Never do that. Come on, come on, give me the the information,
Speaker 1: Give the information fast. First of all, I've been doing
Speaker 1: this in two thousand and eight, so that just lets
Speaker 1: you know. I've been doing this for long enough to
Speaker 1: have like renegotiated my deals several times. But my first
Speaker 1: deal was horrible, and I had a production company and
Speaker 1: my my production company's lawyer made more money than me
Speaker 1: on my first deal. Most people do, Yeah, most people do.
Speaker 1: I mean you know, you don't know any better. Um,
Speaker 1: so yeah, that was I have. I've been renting out
Speaker 1: of money, like renting out of money in the first
Speaker 1: six months. So tell me this in all transparency. Did
Speaker 1: you read the contract? Yeah, but I don't know lawyers
Speaker 1: are giving because some people don't. Some people you read
Speaker 1: it to understand it. I read it, yeah, but also
Speaker 1: I read it at two am and the Kinks. You
Speaker 1: show me where the money part? That just just highlight
Speaker 1: the money part. The production company dud sitting there, like,
Speaker 1: let me know. If you want me to explain something,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. It's like, clearly you know
Speaker 1: that I can't understand this and I don't know that
Speaker 1: you know that. I'm just excited. Um, so you know, hey,
Speaker 1: it was nineteen. But we like we like to we
Speaker 1: like to paint that full picture. We like people to
Speaker 1: have an understanding of how these things work. And hopefully
Speaker 1: the Priscilla that's coming, the money that's coming, sees this
Speaker 1: and says, you know what, I'm not gonna sign it
Speaker 1: at two am, wake up tomorrow because in hindsight, right
Speaker 1: to me today now understands that I would not be
Speaker 1: here if it wasn't out those moments. And I think, honestly,
Speaker 1: to be real, there's unknown, unknown things that you have
Speaker 1: no clue that you don't know. There's things that you
Speaker 1: know you don't know, and there's things you know you
Speaker 1: know most times when you're nineteen, like I'm still learning
Speaker 1: every day how the music business works and how and
Speaker 1: the if when you know like which is basically like
Speaker 1: until a situation happens, you don't understand how it can
Speaker 1: apply to you. So there's just certain things that time
Speaker 1: and experience cannot You can't cheat it, you know. And
Speaker 1: also I'm not condoning it. It's wrong to take advantage
Speaker 1: of people. But you have to look at it like
Speaker 1: now on the other side of it, doing what we
Speaker 1: did independently and being owning the label and paying for
Speaker 1: everything and hiring people. I understand the business side when
Speaker 1: I pay for something you did, I'm right out on it. Yes,
Speaker 1: I do. Yeah, And you want to know what the
Speaker 1: r I is. You want to know what your return
Speaker 1: of investment is, and you want to put yourself in
Speaker 1: a more advantageous spot when you're willing to put up
Speaker 1: your money. And then you understand where the labels are
Speaker 1: coming from. But the thing that is lost is the
Speaker 1: human factor, and people start looking at you as product
Speaker 1: and not living, breathing, you know, essence, And that's the problem.
Speaker 1: It's like we never want to make people feel like
Speaker 1: you know, a common struggle that as black people, we
Speaker 1: understand you want what I can offer you, but you
Speaker 1: don't want me m so we don't want to keep
Speaker 1: doing that. That's the pattern that I would like I
Speaker 1: would like to break. I refused to sign people if
Speaker 1: I can't really take care of them, you can't really
Speaker 1: invest in them heartedly. I think that, you know, I
Speaker 1: think that the sensitivity part in that aspect kind of
Speaker 1: went out the window when there were no longer creatives
Speaker 1: in charge, because creatives have a certain sensitivity two two artists,
Speaker 1: two producers, as two writers, as the human beings that
Speaker 1: they are, and how personal this is to them, because
Speaker 1: this is I mean, we operated from a business standpoint,
Speaker 1: because we know the business now, but in in in reality,
Speaker 1: this is personal. This is what I have to do.
Speaker 1: I was born designed to do this, and anybody trying
Speaker 1: to take this away from me in any way shap performed.
Speaker 1: We have a problem. It does begin to feel a
Speaker 1: little invasive, like you know, you're trying to get in
Speaker 1: between me and source. Like you know, I was reading
Speaker 1: this book I believe it's called It's either it's called
Speaker 1: The Secretive Secrets or The Magic in Your Mind, but
Speaker 1: it's the same author you l s Anderson and uh.
Speaker 1: It talks about your talent in a way that really
Speaker 1: resonated with me. It says that the talent is God
Speaker 1: and his opportunity. You using your talent is God's opportunity
Speaker 1: to shine through you. So it's like when other people
Speaker 1: try to manage that, you're trying to control God, you know,
Speaker 1: and you can't do that. That's why it feels so wrong.
Speaker 1: It's like I'm channeling I'm just freeing, you know, free
Speaker 1: flowing whatever you know. Sometimes don't even make it to
Speaker 1: my brain. It just comes out of my mouth. Um,
Speaker 1: and you come in trying to tell me what to
Speaker 1: do with it. I don't even know what's about to happen.
Speaker 1: How can you tell me what to do with this
Speaker 1: that I'm just the vessel for you know, it's weird. Um.
Speaker 1: And I don't think people really respect what we do,
Speaker 1: like the gift because it is a gift. It's like
Speaker 1: they don't respe acted another. There's not enough reverence for it,
Speaker 1: because if there were, you wouldn't judge, Like I don't
Speaker 1: judge people's expression. I might not like it, but you know,
Speaker 1: who am I to say that it's whack? Right? But
Speaker 1: I think that it goes into the position that you
Speaker 1: play in it because we all understand as creatives that
Speaker 1: we can't do the business of it by ourselves. We
Speaker 1: can create, we can make the song, we can sing
Speaker 1: the song, we can produce whatever, all of those parts,
Speaker 1: but to actually do the business side of it and
Speaker 1: help it become I and I use the word help
Speaker 1: very very strongly because that that is what we do
Speaker 1: need in our business. We do need people's help. We
Speaker 1: do need business minds. We need their help. We don't
Speaker 1: always need their opinions and all the other things that
Speaker 1: go into that, but we need their help to get
Speaker 1: it to where we we ultimately wanted to be. And
Speaker 1: I think what happens is what comes along with that
Speaker 1: help is if I can give my opinion, they feel more,
Speaker 1: they feel more vested, they feel more like they were
Speaker 1: a part of it. Then just I just grabbed it
Speaker 1: with something you already had and I did a little bit.
Speaker 1: And people like to be able to say no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: you know what I told him to turn this word
Speaker 1: and that word or you know what I mean, I
Speaker 1: helped them create this. Father's failure is an orphan. If
Speaker 1: I could make a list of all the people who
Speaker 1: made hours an hour successful, I'm finding out new names.
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's so crazy. But then you know my
Speaker 1: verg on mine and I'm like, well, maybe you did
Speaker 1: do something, and thank you, but I know what I did,
Speaker 1: and I know, like you know, I mean another I
Speaker 1: have a knowledge of all the time. It's like, okay,
Speaker 1: if I plant the seed, I harvested the fruit that
Speaker 1: the seed came from my planet, the seed I till
Speaker 1: the soil, I watered it, I fertilized it. I went
Speaker 1: out there intended to feel. I can't take get away
Speaker 1: from the sun that the sun shined on it, like
Speaker 1: helped it grow. And I can't take away from the
Speaker 1: rain and the clouds that they rained. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna take that from you. But if I didn't
Speaker 1: put it down there, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 1: it's kind of like that. It's like it all works together,
Speaker 1: it's all symbiosis. I'm not mad, but it do be
Speaker 1: kind of be corny sometimes, like you didn't help me,
Speaker 1: didn't help It's a form of currency for them. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a form of currency to be able to you know,
Speaker 1: when you are the conversation, to be able to be
Speaker 1: a part of that conversation. It's so frustrating, though, man,
Speaker 1: because it's like, like you said, I've been doing this
Speaker 1: since two thousand, begging literally begging people like please, like
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, just let me just give me a shot.
Speaker 1: You know, I got these songs, and I wasn't ready.
Speaker 1: I didn't have the vision that I have now. Um,
Speaker 1: but I've seen people help people with less of cour
Speaker 1: so I just didn't understand why why not me? Like,
Speaker 1: you know, it took for me to step outside, go
Speaker 1: find people who weren't even working in the business anymore.
Speaker 1: And she's like, hey, would you come back and like
Speaker 1: help me out, Like let's start, let's do this thing together.
Speaker 1: January started the label my husband, two old friends of mine.
Speaker 1: We're shot. He knows, like I mean, I know him
Speaker 1: since I was seventeen. I had to go outside the
Speaker 1: business to find help because for ten years, every time
Speaker 1: I would get the balls to try to make a
Speaker 1: pro jack, I write these songs and I get a
Speaker 1: phone called, oh blank, artists wants the song? Why are
Speaker 1: you blaming my records? So you didn't they weren't You
Speaker 1: weren't even sending them out for people to get them
Speaker 1: that work on your stuff on you don't have to gas.
Speaker 1: But also there's the part that people really don't know
Speaker 1: is that the producer, for some reason, has the right
Speaker 1: to move your records without the writer's Well, I'll say this,
Speaker 1: they don't really have the right. What they have is
Speaker 1: the piece the master. There's a copyright. There's a copyright
Speaker 1: which is the top line, and the writer is not
Speaker 1: a part of the master. The artist is, so the
Speaker 1: masters was being sold. So that's where the powalyzed. That's
Speaker 1: what the producer has. But they don't have permission to
Speaker 1: take my song. You don't they technically do well if
Speaker 1: you have some I'll say this as as a songwriter,
Speaker 1: you don't have the nuts to go and tell a
Speaker 1: list artist, yeah, you pay for that beat, I'm taking
Speaker 1: my song and I'm something else with it. You don't
Speaker 1: have the nuts to do that because if you do that,
Speaker 1: you will never get called again. And the peanut is
Speaker 1: some so scraps what you're making that you just be
Speaker 1: happy to get a chicken wing, you know. But technically, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no. If he gets full technically you're absolutely right.
Speaker 1: You don't have technical you didn't have. Everybody has to
Speaker 1: be in line because think about it. I think about
Speaker 1: it though, if I, if I, if you say, if
Speaker 1: you say, like he what does he owe? He owes you?
Speaker 1: Your he owes you? You're publishing right, okay? If he
Speaker 1: to take away payment, you gotta pay me nothing. If
Speaker 1: you get a sync license, don't you gotta get it cleared,
Speaker 1: don't you? What's the split? Who's gonna prove the split?
Speaker 1: You approve of my split. You don't have a mution
Speaker 1: to do that. It gets tricky, it does, but in
Speaker 1: more time and more times more more times than not,
Speaker 1: a producer has moved the song without a writer even
Speaker 1: knowing it, way more so than a writer moving a song,
Speaker 1: I think, without a producer. And this is also you know,
Speaker 1: psychology comes into play here because most of the time,
Speaker 1: I'll say it this way, there aren't a lot of
Speaker 1: female producers. It's a lot of female songwriters. There's male
Speaker 1: songwriters too, but there's a lot of female songwriters that
Speaker 1: dynamic plays apart. And I think it's also how you
Speaker 1: identify it because you take somebody like Ms Elliott, she's
Speaker 1: but she ain't recording on your ste but when Elliott
Speaker 1: steps in the room, she's automatically a producer. But she
Speaker 1: also had the protection of her co writers to make
Speaker 1: sure that she could be established like that. It's it's
Speaker 1: a partnership. Well it was her. It was also her
Speaker 1: success and her under understanding the power imbalance or balance
Speaker 1: and creating. Like think about this, like we always talk
Speaker 1: about how do you make a record? Who's singing the
Speaker 1: record from top to bottom and making it what it is? Right?
Speaker 1: And so some producers. Some beat makers aren't producers most
Speaker 1: beat makers, right, and then someone like money Along comes
Speaker 1: in and takes that beat and turns it into an
Speaker 1: entire song from top to bottom where you line for
Speaker 1: line with the artists and this. Don't do it that way,
Speaker 1: make it like this. Can you drop the beat out
Speaker 1: and put that here? Okay? Yeah? If you could just
Speaker 1: make the base do something really crazy right here when
Speaker 1: we get to the bridges, and now you've pre produced
Speaker 1: the song, which I think more songwriters as they start
Speaker 1: coming to the table and sitting down at that front
Speaker 1: desk need to be mindful of well, I'm just going
Speaker 1: to speak from my seat. Is that doing all of
Speaker 1: that and doing all the backgrounds and arranging and vocal producing,
Speaker 1: and the artist leaves all my vocals on and I'm
Speaker 1: not getting a sound exchange all these things right? The issue,
Speaker 1: my issue is that I did not have the support
Speaker 1: of my co writers to make sure that when the
Speaker 1: business goes down, because they're not calling me, they're calling
Speaker 1: you producer. When the business goes down, you make sure
Speaker 1: I'm straight business affairs telling me I'm not a producer
Speaker 1: even though I produced. That was my struggle, like that
Speaker 1: It happened to me so many times where I would
Speaker 1: wake up and I'm gonna have a top ten song
Speaker 1: on iTunes and didn't even know it just happened. It
Speaker 1: just happened. We're not gonna talk about it. Literally woke up.
Speaker 1: My name is in the credits. So in that, like
Speaker 1: you said, because at the at the space you at, now,
Speaker 1: how for you personally? How do you get in front
Speaker 1: of it? I just stop. I'm not going to allow
Speaker 1: myself to be taking advantage of that way anymore, meaning
Speaker 1: you won't do any writing friends, now, I'm not because
Speaker 1: if this is my superpower, why am I sharing my
Speaker 1: superpower with people who don't respect me, who don't care
Speaker 1: about me, who um are essentially you know, the villains
Speaker 1: in my story? Why am I going to keep complaining
Speaker 1: about it? Just stop showing up. Just use the superpower
Speaker 1: for people who are willing to bar in to me.
Speaker 1: And I've all I've ever wanted was to be respected
Speaker 1: and to like enjoy my gift. So I would say,
Speaker 1: why not create you're super team with your superpower? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's in the process, that's you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: instead of you know, because I would personally because I'm yes,
Speaker 1: you're my friend. I've known you for years. But I'm
Speaker 1: also a fan of what you do as an artist
Speaker 1: but also as a songwriter. So to hear you say
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna stop, that's disheartening to me to you mean,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, because I'm a songwriter too.
Speaker 1: We're all songwriters when we stop doing those things. Like
Speaker 1: I've had people tell me this when it comes to
Speaker 1: me and being an artist, they're like, well, nigga, you
Speaker 1: don't want to sing. I feel that way about songwriters too. Well,
Speaker 1: just it's just raw, you know, from my heart. There
Speaker 1: are a lot of people who have been in my
Speaker 1: story over the years. Not one person has made sure
Speaker 1: that I was protected. But now you're the protector. Yes,
Speaker 1: so if it continues, it's my fault. I'm not blaming anybody.
Speaker 1: I'm not mad at anybody, but there are people who
Speaker 1: are in position. You don't have a publishing deal. I
Speaker 1: had lawyers, I had managers. Yeah, you know, it can't
Speaker 1: be mad at that's a business. But I'm a human. Absolutely. First,
Speaker 1: I have PTSD. I'm not gonna lie you have. You
Speaker 1: definitely have it. But I think you know people who
Speaker 1: are are damaged in such a way. Only really have
Speaker 1: two options. They can either either repeat the cycle and
Speaker 1: find a better way to do things because you've earned
Speaker 1: we've earned your spot. Now you've earned your spot, like
Speaker 1: we've we can we can go down the list of
Speaker 1: our own experiences or other people's experiences of that first
Speaker 1: bad contract, that first whatever, these these situations, somebody saying
Speaker 1: they wrote a song, you don't even remember them being
Speaker 1: in the room with you. You know what, It's just,
Speaker 1: it gets tricky. We've we've seen it all. And what
Speaker 1: we understand is that our talent kept us here, our
Speaker 1: gift kept us here. Are you know, um our personalities
Speaker 1: and just like you said, you've been you starting off
Speaker 1: this episode the way you did. I would have never
Speaker 1: expected you to say that. I never expect you to
Speaker 1: say that, and it just it already. It was just
Speaker 1: a good feeling for us even to be that person
Speaker 1: or to be one of the people there that made
Speaker 1: you feel welcome. So we look at it like, Okay,
Speaker 1: when we get our shot, mm hmm, we will do
Speaker 1: it differently. And I feel like you're at the space
Speaker 1: now for sure, Well you can do it differently. There's
Speaker 1: a responsibility that comes along with that and it's gonna
Speaker 1: be and I'm gonna tell you because we deal with
Speaker 1: it some headaches that come along with trying to do
Speaker 1: right and help people out and because some people they
Speaker 1: don't get it. Not even if they don't get it,
Speaker 1: some people like getting beat on. Yeah, unfortunately, just I
Speaker 1: just had this conversation last night. I had I had
Speaker 1: a moment yesterday morning where I was like, am I
Speaker 1: really ready to accept that I don't have to have drama?
Speaker 1: Am I ready to accept that I could live a
Speaker 1: soft life and have like luxury and like have success.
Speaker 1: And I'll be like I just am I? Am I
Speaker 1: really okay? With're not feeling guilty that I bust my
Speaker 1: ass and did it? And like because I had some
Speaker 1: people literally quit like two months before my song gole
Speaker 1: up quit? Am I okay with that? Like you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like I really am okay, Like I'm fine.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't have any grudges um, And it's
Speaker 1: like I'm breaking this cycle of you hurt me, you
Speaker 1: did me wrong because I did tell those stories like
Speaker 1: wanting somebody to just be like dang, you know, pat
Speaker 1: me on the back. But now it's like, well, what
Speaker 1: is the next ten years look like for me. And
Speaker 1: it started with me just deciding to invest in myself.
Speaker 1: And then you know, I'm still before we started filming,
Speaker 1: I said, I'm recal I'm still recalibrating to what life
Speaker 1: means now after you know, the song blew up in
Speaker 1: six days. It only took six days. It took me
Speaker 1: about ten seconds of listening to Mike J sing it
Speaker 1: because I was completely and listen, we'll tell the story,
Speaker 1: but I was completely in the dark. I'm it goes
Speaker 1: from me going on Mike J's page and him singing,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, what the fuck is that? Maybe ten second?
Speaker 1: I mean what I called him, I'm like, hey, nigga,
Speaker 1: what the fund is this? Like? Heard this record? This
Speaker 1: is money? Long? Wait wait what sore? Like yes, thinking
Speaker 1: like no, fucking that's a reaction that because everyone knew
Speaker 1: you are, I mean from from our within our industry,
Speaker 1: you are you. You had already established yourself as such
Speaker 1: a force and had so many great records that it
Speaker 1: was already like oh yeah, but no, I hadn't heard it,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean it and me calling you
Speaker 1: and being like, listen, you got something. This this is
Speaker 1: whatever you do with it. You got it. It's special
Speaker 1: in ten seconds. It's crazy too, because at that particular moment,
Speaker 1: we were fatigued. I'm so fatigued. We have been doing
Speaker 1: it for two years, and we were just like, you
Speaker 1: need another deposit how much I was trying to decide
Speaker 1: if we were going to go to radio, and it
Speaker 1: was just like, so, you were funding all of this
Speaker 1: through your songwriting? Yes, did the money you've made song
Speaker 1: right for? He said for? You said so a decade?
Speaker 1: A decade though, for like ten straight years though, because
Speaker 1: you're putting out you were putting out projects. In those times.
Speaker 1: There was only one year that I didn't have any placements,
Speaker 1: but I had a hit song every year for like
Speaker 1: nine years. God was making sure you was all right, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's definitely more champagne. I'm sure they got some more.
Speaker 1: Tank keeps some champagne she keeping in the row. Record.
Speaker 1: People understand that that's not normal. That is not normal.
Speaker 1: That is not normal, that's not normal drinking. And I
Speaker 1: definitely feel less to be able to say that because,
Speaker 1: like you know, even I still haven't celebrating ceting. I know,
Speaker 1: you know, how about R and B. So I I
Speaker 1: want to what you really do, see what you really are.
Speaker 1: In this new segment called Top five, we're gonna have
Speaker 1: theme music soon. I can't afford it right now, we're
Speaker 1: still getting that your top five R and B artists
Speaker 1: male or female from any time. Oh it's my guy.
Speaker 1: I love about man. I'm gonna say Faith, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: had that cassette. I had to cassette my X to
Speaker 1: talk about. Other people bought me the cassette. It's a
Speaker 1: gift to keep going Heliah m M. I don't even
Speaker 1: do that to me. M. And this might cause some
Speaker 1: up for because a lot of people and not consider
Speaker 1: it R and B. But Destiny's Child. Why wouldn't they
Speaker 1: because they're I mean selling girls group of all times?
Speaker 1: Right I am I saying this correctly. My favorite from
Speaker 1: my Novelce the R and B album is destiny Fulfilled.
Speaker 1: Look over there so proud. Like listen, one of my
Speaker 1: friends that thinks he is beyont loves um. Yeah so
Speaker 1: that so I said what I say, uh Faith, Aliyah,
Speaker 1: Destiny's Child. I'm gonna say Whitney. Great way to round
Speaker 1: it out. YEA love Whitney, okid me. I love that
Speaker 1: you said of someone writing is crazy I love that
Speaker 1: you play list full of vibe just mastered. He mastered
Speaker 1: his vibe early mocked in. He's really like an incredible
Speaker 1: song right now. I didn't get it for a long
Speaker 1: time because we were you know, we're rivals, were all
Speaker 1: on the same shows together. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And I'm taking my shirt off and doing the most
Speaker 1: and he's not. You know what I'm saying, But his
Speaker 1: song is still getting great reactionally, What is going on?
Speaker 1: What is he doing? Why is it working? And I
Speaker 1: just had to stop and really listen to what he
Speaker 1: was doing, and I was like, uh, you nice, da nice?
Speaker 1: He nice. He just got the captions before it was
Speaker 1: a thing. Yet you know stupid and yes he's nice.
Speaker 1: Shout out to my brother. Um, okay, here we're coming
Speaker 1: to five? Is still here? Top five R and B
Speaker 1: songs at your best? The version contagious, Me and my
Speaker 1: sister sing that everything everything what I've seen a multiple parts.
Speaker 1: Have you seen have you seen that? The little white
Speaker 1: man and the black ladies singing it at like a
Speaker 1: gas stations, acting it out and everything. I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: say what they own, they own something. It's definitely been
Speaker 1: to okay, okay, so it's contagious. Um and I didn't
Speaker 1: know that was heard that shut? Yes shut. Don't you
Speaker 1: see too, man, it's talking m contagious. Yes, okay, at
Speaker 1: your best contagious. I'm gonna say butterflies, m amazing record.
Speaker 1: Michael shout out to Marsha Masha. I'm gonna say officially
Speaker 1: missing you, m M Yeah. And one last one. You
Speaker 1: don't have to call wow. I don't know what it
Speaker 1: is about that song, but every time that song comes
Speaker 1: can say that I have to be in the car.
Speaker 1: I was I gonna say superstar, but I just you
Speaker 1: know I'm into jams right now? Have you been? Have
Speaker 1: you been to the show? Yeah? You gotta go up.
Speaker 1: He's turning up. This is this is this is homework team.
Speaker 1: Take her to the show. Isn't it about to be over? No?
Speaker 1: You are going to the Usher show. Sit on the
Speaker 1: couches in the middle or the section right above the couches.
Speaker 1: Sound guy, he's mixing right there above you. That's what
Speaker 1: it sound is. Well, we are going to Vegas next week.
Speaker 1: I think this week. I don't think they're I don't
Speaker 1: think they're there right now, are they not? I don't
Speaker 1: think they're but you got alright you yeah, we got
Speaker 1: get up on you now, Okay, we're the phone police.
Speaker 1: We're gonna okay, so that's that's okay. And to build
Speaker 1: R and B voltron Okay, we're gonna build your the
Speaker 1: best R and B singer you can build from the vocals,
Speaker 1: from the performance style, to the styling to the passion
Speaker 1: of the artists. Who are you getting the vocals from
Speaker 1: to build your R and B artist? Who am I
Speaker 1: going to take? Who the least singer? Who is the
Speaker 1: least Kelly Price? Yeah? Yeah, you're trying to whoop a
Speaker 1: nigga taking Kelly's vocals for sure, because you knows how
Speaker 1: to stack. She knows how to stack. If you even
Speaker 1: just talked to Kelly Price. Um No, I did work
Speaker 1: with her though before. She's so smart. She's very, very
Speaker 1: tuned into her gift. Like I've watched her lead background
Speaker 1: singers into a special place that they weren't at until
Speaker 1: she started talking and leading them, and it just got
Speaker 1: special real fast. I don't know why. I just want
Speaker 1: to scream out, Kelly take this home. But okay, keep going. Okay,
Speaker 1: we got the vocal from Kelly Price, good Lord Almney Okay.
Speaker 1: Performance style on stage vocals is Kelly Price, the performances
Speaker 1: Janet mm hmm. Nobody, she's talk about talking about it,
Speaker 1: she's it. They're gonna stab you in the car. Fiance
Speaker 1: came from somewhere. Yeah, so Jeri Prize with Janet okay
Speaker 1: um styling. What you want the artist to look like?
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Sierra but Cierra Wilson mm hmm. Okay, I
Speaker 1: see what you see what you did there? Yeah? I
Speaker 1: see what you like? What you did there? Very fly,
Speaker 1: very fly, very very refined. Okay, he still do a
Speaker 1: leg if let's still do a little leg if you
Speaker 1: need to see it because it's in shape lay exclusive pieces.
Speaker 1: Well that is good. The money is long, money is long. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I see what you did see? I see who are
Speaker 1: you getting the passion from the heart of the arts?
Speaker 1: Did he yeah? Yeah, not wrong you talking about don't
Speaker 1: get to get to it? He got different type passion
Speaker 1: Kelly Voice, Janet performing Stage Presents, Cierra Wilson styling. Did
Speaker 1: he's passion? Listen, I'm gonna tell you something he wants something,
Speaker 1: can't get it going after get it period and everybody
Speaker 1: ryand you might as well, get on board. I like
Speaker 1: what you did. Then that's a function. I like what
Speaker 1: you did that, ain't it though? You got through that,
Speaker 1: You got through that, but you know we hit it up. Yeah.
Speaker 1: This segments are saying the names very important. The story
Speaker 1: can either be funny, are fucked up. Are funny and
Speaker 1: fucked up. The only rule is you can't say no names.
Speaker 1: Get your ship off. Okay, get your off, um, introduce it.
Speaker 1: This is money loans. I ain't saying the names. Okay. Well,
Speaker 1: this particular person uh grew up Levin superhero to me,
Speaker 1: and so when I met them, uh, highly disappointed, highly disappointed.
Speaker 1: This person really just wanted me for my songs. I
Speaker 1: wanted to, you know, get the mentor like you know,
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, several runnings where we just did not jail.
Speaker 1: At one point, you know, I walk into this room
Speaker 1: and they started screaming, you're a fake bit like Wiling,
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, everybody knows who this person is.
Speaker 1: So it's very embarrassing. So I just tend to stay
Speaker 1: away every time I see this person outside. Stay away.
Speaker 1: So fast forward to this Grammy party, we have similar team. Um.
Speaker 1: Without saying too much because it will give it away,
Speaker 1: but we have a similar team. We're at this place
Speaker 1: and I feel these eyes. I feel like I'm being
Speaker 1: stared at. I'm standing in my circle, I'm talking and
Speaker 1: I look sure enough grilling me, Ice grilling me just
Speaker 1: so are kind of like how you know, behind the
Speaker 1: person that I was talking to, And I'm like, is
Speaker 1: this really happening? You know what? So I'll do it again,
Speaker 1: look sang thing, Ice grilling me. And that's how the
Speaker 1: night went, you know. You score from here to here. Literally,
Speaker 1: I'm moving around the room and I keep feeling the
Speaker 1: eyes until it got to a place where you know,
Speaker 1: there's some people in this business or in the world
Speaker 1: really who just cannot stand not being recognized like that.
Speaker 1: Don't you know who I am? Energy, It's very much
Speaker 1: that it was like, Okay, well, I followed you around
Speaker 1: this whole party. You're not going to acknowledge me, even
Speaker 1: though I'm looking at you dead in your eyes. Now
Speaker 1: I'm going to stand right in front of you, you know,
Speaker 1: and I'm not going to speak to you. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say nothing to you. I'm just gonna look at you.
Speaker 1: And yeah, it was very, very very awkward. I didn't
Speaker 1: say nothing either. I was just like, this cannot be real.
Speaker 1: All night stare off. The entire party literally followed me
Speaker 1: around the first floor. I go upstairs, follow up me
Speaker 1: chair like yeah, and this is one of my heroes.
Speaker 1: This business will do that to you sometimes. Very disappointing.
Speaker 1: So now I just don't even want to meet nobody. No,
Speaker 1: I just I don't go to meet Remember how nice
Speaker 1: that guy was when you met him? There a people
Speaker 1: like yeah, but I mean I feel like you met me,
Speaker 1: like you know what I'm saying. You you offered your
Speaker 1: energy first. People like you know what I mean a
Speaker 1: lot of people like us. Like imagine if I would
Speaker 1: have went up to you and like and you was
Speaker 1: like not right now, then I would have had off
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