1 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 1: We all take take VALI. We are the authorities all 2 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: things R and B. Ladies and gentlemen, what's going on. 3 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: My name is Tank and this is the R and 4 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 1: B Money Podcast, the authority all things R and B. M. 5 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:38,239 Speaker 1: It's one of those days. Um, we got somebody in 6 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: the building that has been doing it, been doing it 7 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 1: high level, high level, high level, not just not just 8 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: in one space, not just in one area, as I 9 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 1: say from from the d n B, in all areas. 10 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: But it's thing was, we're trying to teach you artists 11 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 1: to be able to do it all so that your 12 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: creativity is in the palm of your hands. You control 13 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: your own destiny. She's gonna be around for a long time. 14 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:12,320 Speaker 1: It's a great use of words. She's making a lot 15 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 1: of money. Yeah, bring it on, Bring it Citi. That 16 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: was amazing introduction. You're doing it. He's really good at that. 17 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 1: You're doing it. Thank you, Thank you, Thank you for 18 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: being good at your craft, taking your craft seriously, perfecting 19 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 1: it and and and taking whatever time you've needed in 20 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: whatever space you've been in to do it the right way. Successfully. 21 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: Success speaks to it. But as people who actually do it, 22 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: we hear the difference outside of it being amazingly successful, 23 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: it is is it is rich in the hours that 24 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:13,639 Speaker 1: you've put in. I see what you did working yea't 25 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: be money. So thank you, um, thank you. Well. First, 26 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:20,800 Speaker 1: I have to tell this story before. I know you 27 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: didn't ask for it, but uh, this is a full 28 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 1: circle moment for me, because I don't know if you 29 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 1: remember this. There was a friends and family Grammy party 30 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: years ago when I first first came to l A 31 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: before I knew about stylists and makeup and looked very country, right. Um. 32 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 1: I come in and I'm overwhelmed. Immediately, it's all these lights. 33 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 1: I'm seeing, you know, people I recognize. I'm like, you know, 34 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:52,839 Speaker 1: And I walked to the back and you and you 35 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 1: are standing there, and I just remember saying out loud, 36 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 1: I don't feel like I'm supposed to be here, and 37 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: you turned around immediately was like no, you put your 38 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 1: hands on my shoulders like you're supposed to be everywhere 39 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 1: you are, And I just remember that. That stuck with 40 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 1: me forever. That's crazy. And then I spent the rest 41 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 1: of the night like joking and laughing, dancing with you guys. 42 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:25,359 Speaker 1: That was my first Hollywood party. Two eight, a long 43 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 1: time ago. I remember what I had on. I hadn't 44 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 1: like this purple play was very ugly outfit. I was like, 45 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: nineteen or twenty is very you know, green to know anything, 46 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 1: and that was my first experience in Hollywood. Good thing. 47 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: You're not an asshole, but you know what it is though, 48 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 1: it's like, why be that? There's no reason to be. 49 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 1: And You've always been the same every time I see you, 50 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 1: even if I'm just like in the corner, you know, 51 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 1: being quiet in the room, because I know how to 52 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 1: do that. A lot of people don't know how to 53 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: just Lady Bart, I've been in many rooms. You've always 54 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: been the same. I just like I enjoy what I 55 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 1: do and I want the people around me, whether I 56 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 1: know them or not, to have a good time at 57 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: least in that moment, because all of this can get 58 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 1: as you're in this room, can get overwhelming, you know 59 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 1: what I mean. And I learned that from Jamie Fox 60 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 1: of always making sure people feel important involved, you know 61 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 1: what I mean. And so you know that that's that's 62 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:43,160 Speaker 1: something I had to learn, you know what I mean. 63 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 1: And that is crazy. Isn't that a trick? That's a 64 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 1: trick to stay in around for a long time. Is 65 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: is that you are kind and you make people feel 66 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: warm and they always remember. I mean, I remember that 67 00:04:56,040 --> 00:05:02,039 Speaker 1: people have to change you sometimes in spite of you know, 68 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 1: your gift right, and in spite of the record selling 69 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:10,039 Speaker 1: and the records playing and all these people showing. Sometimes 70 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:15,039 Speaker 1: it's like, you know what, I actually I like them. 71 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: Let's get it. A long way goes a long long. 72 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 1: I have not always had the best record, chart topping record, 73 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 1: the million records sale first we got man, none of that. 74 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 1: But I love people. And so if it's if it's 75 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 1: your it's your daughter's birthday, call on FaceTime. I'm sinking 76 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 1: happy birthday. You know what I'm saying. If it's if 77 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: it's your grandma's birthday, I'm gonna give her a lap dance. 78 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 1: Like it's all. I mean, listen, I do different things 79 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 1: to make sure that this money keeps coming in. Understand 80 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: saying booked me at okay, I'm just playing anyway. Um. 81 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 1: First of all, shout out to you, Thank you for 82 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 1: coming through, Thank you for rolling through. I know you 83 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:59,839 Speaker 1: are busy. I know this because I know the people 84 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 1: you know and I know your business. I could not 85 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:08,159 Speaker 1: miss being a part of this. You know, it's important 86 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: culturally and that's being part of the girl. Yeah, you're 87 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: creating a space for R and B to like flourish, 88 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 1: and we're gonna keep growing it with your health and 89 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 1: so you know what we love to do here is 90 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 1: we're about the origin. We're about the beginning. We're about 91 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 1: the moment where someone said to you, baby, you got something, 92 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 1: or you realize yourself in awakening at a moment like 93 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 1: this could be something. Take us back to Florida. Let's 94 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 1: go back to Florida. That's going on back. I don't know. 95 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 1: I think I had like a moment. Everybody in my family, 96 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 1: my mom is saying, you know, it's very musical household. 97 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 1: So I didn't realize that it wasn't normal, you know. 98 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 1: Um I think I still have challenges with that sometimes 99 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 1: just being like nothing, you know. Uh. But it was 100 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: always singing. It was like we used to have singing competitions. 101 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: I didn't have a choice. I had to sing at 102 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: the funerals, the weddings, to you know, anthem, at the 103 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 1: basketball games, at the whatever. Um My mom used to 104 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 1: always volunteer me. You were being prepared for your moment. 105 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: That's a nice wave. That's a very nice way of 106 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: looking at it. I used to hate it, Just being honest, 107 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 1: I didn't like it. Um. You know, if you're from 108 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 1: the South, you know as you come to church on Sunday, 109 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 1: you're gonna get that look. As you know what I'm saying, 110 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 1: come on up here. Um. I was very sheltered, so 111 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: I didn't get to do nothing. I couldn't go like 112 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 1: pass the mailbox. It was like you you have the alarm. 113 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 1: It's like you do when you open the door. Who 114 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: is that? Yes? I could not go out the yard, 115 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 1: so I didn't go anywhere. I couldn't do nothing. So 116 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 1: I was reading. I was in my room with my 117 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 1: little Cassio. I was composition note book, writing the songs um. 118 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 1: And that's what I did as a kid. And so 119 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: when I finally did leave or no, what happened was 120 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 1: the internet. The Internet happened and I started uploading videos 121 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 1: of myself singing on YouTube. Um, two thou four, what's 122 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 1: the first one? And I developed a following from two 123 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:39,079 Speaker 1: thousand four to two thousand and six and blew up 124 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 1: on the internet before it was a thing. So did 125 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: you were you doing it from? Did you understand you 126 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 1: start to find an algorithm in a sense. Or did 127 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 1: were you just like, uh, I'm just gonna post right now, 128 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 1: or did you start having like this is okay, I'm 129 00:08:53,600 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 1: gona post at two o'clock. You know you could, you could, 130 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 1: You could make literally, I like sent an email to 131 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 1: YouTube and made my video go viral like it didn't exist. 132 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 1: What are you saying? Yes, I sang the dictionary. I 133 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: sang the first five pages like ard Vark, error A 134 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:24,559 Speaker 1: B A b ebba, like literally, and I started getting 135 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 1: some traction, a couple hundred thousand views. So I sent 136 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 1: an email, went to the bottom where it says like 137 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: contact of course that you have to dig to find 138 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 1: that now today probably doesn't even exist anymore. But I 139 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:42,599 Speaker 1: went found an email and pretended to be my assistant 140 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: and was like, there's this girl. You know, she's saying 141 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 1: the dictionary. You should put it on the front page. 142 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 1: And this is back when YouTube used to have ten videos. 143 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 1: That was the front page of you, right, I know 144 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 1: exactly what you're talking about. And then I woke up 145 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: the next day it was on there, off that email. 146 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 1: It was that easy back then. Oh yeah, so I 147 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 1: didn't you know it wasn't a thing like influencer, viral. 148 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 1: That was not a thing. It was just you know, 149 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 1: word of mouth, just like we in this room right now, 150 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: Oh have you seen that video? And then the next 151 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: room you go and you show that room. You know, 152 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:24,439 Speaker 1: That's how things got spread back then. So I started 153 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 1: uploading videos and me singing, and people started talking to it. 154 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:36,680 Speaker 1: Was it a thing where that response said to you that, 155 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 1: you know, well I could be a I could be 156 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 1: RB superstar. I mean, remember I couldn't go outside. You 157 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 1: still could. I moved out my parents house and I 158 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: was nineteen. I graduated high school at seventeen, moved out 159 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 1: when I was nineteen. So for those two years two 160 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: thousand and six, two thousand and four, two thousand and 161 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 1: six to two thousand and eight, when I first came 162 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 1: out here, for four years, um, the Internet was my 163 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: friends like I was. I would upload videos and I 164 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 1: would literally make friends with the people who would leave comments. 165 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 1: I still talk to some of them today. You really 166 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: couldn't go outside. So was there a reason for that church? No? 167 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:23,439 Speaker 1: I think my mama knew what she was doing when 168 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: she was younger. I don't know my mom just saying 169 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 1: what were they having in the church. No, no, my 170 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:30,679 Speaker 1: mama was just very strict, like she was like, you're 171 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 1: not about to go outside and bring home no babies 172 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 1: and you have her family trick. I've heard this song. 173 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 1: I've heard the song. I've heard the song. I heard 174 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 1: I heard it. We gotta get into it, but I 175 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 1: heard it. She just was very prospective. And then also 176 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 1: my stepdad is a police officer, so it's like you 177 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:50,559 Speaker 1: come from the police too. Oh yeah, you're not on 178 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:53,839 Speaker 1: that door. You're not knocking on that door. Yeah. I 179 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 1: couldn't do it. I couldn't do nothing. They they literally 180 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: when I went to prom my mom was in the passenger, 181 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 1: my dad was in drivers. They drove me to the door, 182 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 1: opened the door, my dad got out, opened the door 183 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 1: when they came and picked me up, took me to 184 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 1: I Hop, came got me from IHOP, took me in 185 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 1: my day home, my day tried to been down to 186 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 1: give me a kids. My dad was like, like it 187 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 1: was that, I couldn't do nothing, Like I'm with all 188 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: that very sheltered, so no idea, You're you're just looking 189 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 1: for an outlet and some type of connection to the 190 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 1: outside world. That was exactly what it was. It was 191 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 1: my little secret thing. I mean, my best friend at 192 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 1: the time, he's a he's a twin and so and 193 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: his brother is a pastor. So it's like he used 194 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 1: to come to me be like Priscilla. It's really embarrassing. 195 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 1: You know, you're online singing and people would come up 196 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 1: to me and be like your friend post videos, you know. 197 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:07,439 Speaker 1: It was it was a thing like my own little 198 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 1: secret identity, I guess, and my friends didn't like it. 199 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:13,440 Speaker 1: This is your friends didn't like it because I was 200 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 1: popular on the internet. Were you making money because YouTube wasn't. No, 201 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 1: I had about fifteen million streams. This is just for 202 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:29,479 Speaker 1: pure for the love at this point. I mean, nobody 203 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:34,960 Speaker 1: knew in two thousand six that the internet so much, 204 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 1: so I didn't know what was going to happen to 205 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 1: where when I got a deal. I got signed to 206 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 1: Capitol Records in two thousand and eight, which is what 207 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 1: the internet here. Off the internet, they used to delete 208 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 1: my videos. So I would post something and they would 209 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 1: delete it because they couldn't monetize who would deleted YouTube? 210 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 1: The label would delete it. Yeah, because they didn't understand 211 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:03,079 Speaker 1: it either. Yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about 212 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: because at that time, I had done a new deal 213 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 1: right around that same time and the same thing because 214 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 1: I got it started off of a street record, and 215 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 1: they were like, now we gotta pull this because we 216 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 1: can't make money off of you know, they didn't look 217 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: at it as a promotional tool. They didn't look at 218 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 1: as a promotional tool. It was a season because everything 219 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 1: because everything was one on one track minded back then 220 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 1: in order for it's no well, I mean now it's 221 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 1: like everything contributes to the pop right once they once 222 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 1: they started, you know, once they got into the three 223 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 1: sixty space, then it became like, okay, all things can 224 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 1: kind of pour into this. But even like when I 225 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 1: had the shot to Fire record and we're going into 226 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 1: T G T, yeah, we gotta shut that down because 227 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 1: the focus has to be not thinking that all of 228 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 1: that can add to. But yeah, I'm just saying to 229 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 1: understand the time, he just wanted to turn out. Nigga 230 00:14:57,080 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: wanted to be in the club. First of all, shout 231 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 1: out of christ Brown. We were turning up. Okay, Okay, 232 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 1: I was in the clubs. I was trap, trap trapping, right, 233 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 1: I was respected in the trap. You didn't stand what 234 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 1: I'm saying I was the older, the older, oldest person 235 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 1: in the trap, but I was having a good time. Yeah. Still, 236 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 1: I've never had that experience. Still at the club, I 237 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 1: could go outside. I don't even know what I'm listen. 238 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 1: My friends right now are like, girl, you need to 239 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 1: go outside. I'm okay with being at home. So I'm listening. 240 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 1: You already know we ship. I went on breakfast club 241 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 1: talking about how I had never been an even on vacation. 242 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 1: So I'm all with that. Inside. Just come to my 243 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 1: turn the house up there and it's like too much 244 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 1: to try to get inside. I was like, it's fine. 245 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 1: I was a kid of that. When I can't get that, 246 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 1: you know what you want? No parking? Where's that? I 247 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 1: see you all later. I don't get it. I'm chasing cracking. 248 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 1: If it's a line outside called me, called me, I'm 249 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 1: gonna being a line. But I can't wait till we 250 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 1: get in here. Oh yeah, I just the thought of 251 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 1: people and sweat and it just doesn't So when you 252 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 1: got when you you know what, you have to throw 253 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 1: sweat in there because it beat you know, it's it's 254 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 1: a liquid excitement. Uh So you so you you kind 255 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 1: of get out of the house. I guess in a sense, 256 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 1: at this point you get signed the capitol and now 257 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: you're in l A L A. First two years I 258 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 1: went crazy because you know what happens like you know, 259 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 1: you don't get nothing, and then now all of a sudden, 260 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 1: it's like, so I had that did you buy Rams? 261 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 1: Because he bought Rams. I bought a lot of stuff 262 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 1: in it that I don't have nothing to show for. 263 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 1: How about rims? And and I tipped well at the 264 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 1: strip club? I did really well. They knew my name. 265 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 1: I would walk into the strip club and Michelle triple 266 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 1: X in the building, Michelle triple X and Trish will 267 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:15,399 Speaker 1: say that boy is in here, that man is in here, 268 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: and they carve out a space for me at the 269 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 1: front and we lift this offering he had. He had 270 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 1: no idea he was being scammed. Yeah. I don't know 271 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 1: about strip club culture. I don't know anything. I could no, no, no, no, 272 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 1: she got enough money. She's a little offering. Dances and 273 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 1: it's just your times in office. The dances and would 274 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 1: make this world go around, whether they be professional or 275 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 1: whether they be underground. This is we talk we're talking about, 276 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: and it is listen. I wrote my first probably honey songs. 277 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 1: When I came in l A. What's that one strip club? 278 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:07,119 Speaker 1: It's called food. Okay, Now see this is what I 279 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:08,959 Speaker 1: do know. L A strip club is not the same 280 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:13,680 Speaker 1: as they were. They were different. They had a different vibe. 281 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:17,640 Speaker 1: They had LA had a time when there was peanuts 282 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:21,640 Speaker 1: and legs there. These are names of These are names 283 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 1: of strips. Peanuts was the strip club that you couldn't 284 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:30,959 Speaker 1: get it. You couldn't get into. Men couldn't women. You 285 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:37,160 Speaker 1: had to be literally someone to get into. If you're 286 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 1: a man, nuts, if you're a man, women, all women. 287 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 1: It was a blessed It was a blessed thing only 288 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:52,119 Speaker 1: God himself could have curated. All good and perfect things 289 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 1: come from the Lord made these women, and he said, 290 00:18:57,480 --> 00:18:59,479 Speaker 1: what do you say on the seventh day? It is good? 291 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:09,720 Speaker 1: He did, Thank you, Thank you. Somebody to hit it, working, 292 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 1: somebody get the organ For two years while in UM, 293 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:32,920 Speaker 1: working though and writing well, because so what happened? Um? 294 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:37,679 Speaker 1: I got signed to Capitol and I'm just like, you know, 295 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 1: doing whatever and assigned to this management company. Long story short, 296 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 1: I end up doing this very very pop Katie Perry 297 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:53,639 Speaker 1: two point oh song and it went top forty and 298 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:57,199 Speaker 1: I went on this whole crazy radio tour UM, and 299 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 1: I'm just happy to be here. Like I had no 300 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 1: idea that I had a voice as an artist that 301 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:03,359 Speaker 1: I could say no, I wrote the record, you know, 302 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:05,120 Speaker 1: so I'm just like, well, of course it's me because 303 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 1: I wrote it. UM horrible. The backlash was that when 304 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 1: it didn't do what everybody thought it was gonna do, 305 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 1: immediately it was like, you know, throw her in the trash, 306 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:23,639 Speaker 1: she's no good. One song. So I never got a 307 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 1: second single. UM. The album came out, which please don't 308 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:33,159 Speaker 1: go look it up. You know they are what it 309 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:35,440 Speaker 1: was my freaking video all the time. I just tried 310 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:37,159 Speaker 1: to give him not to the it's just so cringe. 311 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:41,919 Speaker 1: It's curringe. It's like, UM, but we'll just you know, 312 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 1: fast forward past this part. And so the record didn't 313 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 1: do what they thought I was gonna do, and I 314 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: was faced with having to possibly go back to Florida 315 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 1: and I really didn't want to do that. So UM 316 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 1: randomly ended up on tour on the MG tour with 317 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 1: a con and I was supposed to be writing in 318 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:10,639 Speaker 1: the Akin had like a UM like a attachment to 319 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:14,199 Speaker 1: his tour bus that was a studio and so I 320 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 1: was supposed to be in there writing but it only 321 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 1: worked for like a week and then it was broken. 322 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:22,680 Speaker 1: It was supposed to be getting fixed and studios don't 323 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,360 Speaker 1: be worked. Yeah, I just ended up being his second assistant. 324 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 1: So it's like me and his sister Haadi uh and 325 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:30,439 Speaker 1: we were just on tour all summer, and so that 326 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:34,399 Speaker 1: summer I decided, yeah, I don't want to go home 327 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 1: after this. I want to keep doing this. And um, 328 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:42,119 Speaker 1: this is back when p rros were given out advances. 329 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 1: So I got an advance from my p r oh, 330 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 1: which is like as cat being mine, and I started 331 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:55,360 Speaker 1: writing songs and sorry, sorry, you know they're getting left out. 332 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 1: They're getting left out to do more of it. People, 333 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 1: you know, listen to Brian Michael Cox Evince. He stands 334 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 1: in front of me, shout him up, sitting me personally. Listen. Yeah, 335 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say who I am because you know, 336 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 1: highest bidder, go ahead, go ahead. So I get, I 337 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 1: get a check, I come out here and I started writing, 338 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 1: so immediately I get like, who says Selena Gomez? Um 339 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: California King be Rihanna, don't wake me up? Chris Brown 340 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 1: like my dad yeah, I'm telling the story talk your ship, 341 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 1: keep going, keep going, so basically as you do or something, 342 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:49,680 Speaker 1: keep going, come on, keep going. So I wrote more 343 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 1: than that. I did, Yeah, I have, you know, but 344 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:57,919 Speaker 1: it's because my ratio was so crazy. I will go 345 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:03,439 Speaker 1: to the studio. Uh. I was going doing five sessions today, 346 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 1: writing at least two songs in every session every day. 347 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 1: I was doing it for how long? For about two 348 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 1: years straighten every day every single day. From y'all say, 349 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:19,920 Speaker 1: y'all really want this ship, y'all say you're working home, 350 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 1: M do the math two souls in five sessions a day, 351 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 1: every single tree sixty working times too a working every 352 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:36,880 Speaker 1: day every day not working, and then I wanna come home. 353 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 1: I was so broke that I would put the tissue 354 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:43,679 Speaker 1: in like the fruit from the fruit bow in my 355 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 1: backpack and come home at the studio. Yeah, but I 356 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. That's how I was grocery shopping 357 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 1: at the studio, at the studio, and I did that 358 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,119 Speaker 1: for two years, living at the oak Woods over So 359 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 1: you hadn't done a publishing deal at all, Yes, I had. 360 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 1: So you had a publishing deal, and you had done 361 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,120 Speaker 1: a deal with the p r O two. I had 362 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 1: a publishing deal and a record deal that we're together. 363 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,879 Speaker 1: Never do that. Come on, come on, give me the the information, 364 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 1: Give the information fast. First of all, I've been doing 365 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 1: this in two thousand and eight, so that just lets 366 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:20,919 Speaker 1: you know. I've been doing this for long enough to 367 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: have like renegotiated my deals several times. But my first 368 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,880 Speaker 1: deal was horrible, and I had a production company and 369 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,879 Speaker 1: my my production company's lawyer made more money than me 370 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:36,919 Speaker 1: on my first deal. Most people do, Yeah, most people do. 371 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 1: I mean you know, you don't know any better. Um, 372 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,400 Speaker 1: so yeah, that was I have. I've been renting out 373 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,400 Speaker 1: of money, like renting out of money in the first 374 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 1: six months. So tell me this in all transparency. Did 375 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 1: you read the contract? Yeah, but I don't know lawyers 376 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 1: are giving because some people don't. Some people you read 377 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 1: it to understand it. I read it, yeah, but also 378 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 1: I read it at two am and the Kinks. You 379 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 1: show me where the money part? That just just highlight 380 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:15,159 Speaker 1: the money part. The production company dud sitting there, like, 381 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 1: let me know. If you want me to explain something, 382 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,160 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. It's like, clearly you know 383 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: that I can't understand this and I don't know that 384 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 1: you know that. I'm just excited. Um, so you know, hey, 385 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,119 Speaker 1: it was nineteen. But we like we like to we 386 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,639 Speaker 1: like to paint that full picture. We like people to 387 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 1: have an understanding of how these things work. And hopefully 388 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 1: the Priscilla that's coming, the money that's coming, sees this 389 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,680 Speaker 1: and says, you know what, I'm not gonna sign it 390 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:53,920 Speaker 1: at two am, wake up tomorrow because in hindsight, right 391 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,879 Speaker 1: to me today now understands that I would not be 392 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 1: here if it wasn't out those moments. And I think, honestly, 393 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:08,199 Speaker 1: to be real, there's unknown, unknown things that you have 394 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 1: no clue that you don't know. There's things that you 395 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 1: know you don't know, and there's things you know you 396 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 1: know most times when you're nineteen, like I'm still learning 397 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 1: every day how the music business works and how and 398 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 1: the if when you know like which is basically like 399 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 1: until a situation happens, you don't understand how it can 400 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 1: apply to you. So there's just certain things that time 401 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 1: and experience cannot You can't cheat it, you know. And 402 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 1: also I'm not condoning it. It's wrong to take advantage 403 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 1: of people. But you have to look at it like 404 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 1: now on the other side of it, doing what we 405 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 1: did independently and being owning the label and paying for 406 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 1: everything and hiring people. I understand the business side when 407 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:59,640 Speaker 1: I pay for something you did, I'm right out on it. Yes, 408 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:01,919 Speaker 1: I do. Yeah, And you want to know what the 409 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,439 Speaker 1: r I is. You want to know what your return 410 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,399 Speaker 1: of investment is, and you want to put yourself in 411 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,719 Speaker 1: a more advantageous spot when you're willing to put up 412 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 1: your money. And then you understand where the labels are 413 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,159 Speaker 1: coming from. But the thing that is lost is the 414 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 1: human factor, and people start looking at you as product 415 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 1: and not living, breathing, you know, essence, And that's the problem. 416 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,440 Speaker 1: It's like we never want to make people feel like 417 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 1: you know, a common struggle that as black people, we 418 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,680 Speaker 1: understand you want what I can offer you, but you 419 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,880 Speaker 1: don't want me m so we don't want to keep 420 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,199 Speaker 1: doing that. That's the pattern that I would like I 421 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 1: would like to break. I refused to sign people if 422 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,880 Speaker 1: I can't really take care of them, you can't really 423 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 1: invest in them heartedly. I think that, you know, I 424 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:53,160 Speaker 1: think that the sensitivity part in that aspect kind of 425 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 1: went out the window when there were no longer creatives 426 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 1: in charge, because creatives have a certain sensitivity two two artists, 427 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,679 Speaker 1: two producers, as two writers, as the human beings that 428 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:13,200 Speaker 1: they are, and how personal this is to them, because 429 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 1: this is I mean, we operated from a business standpoint, 430 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:21,440 Speaker 1: because we know the business now, but in in in reality, 431 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 1: this is personal. This is what I have to do. 432 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 1: I was born designed to do this, and anybody trying 433 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 1: to take this away from me in any way shap performed. 434 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 1: We have a problem. It does begin to feel a 435 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 1: little invasive, like you know, you're trying to get in 436 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 1: between me and source. Like you know, I was reading 437 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 1: this book I believe it's called It's either it's called 438 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 1: The Secretive Secrets or The Magic in Your Mind, but 439 00:28:55,400 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 1: it's the same author you l s Anderson and uh. 440 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 1: It talks about your talent in a way that really 441 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 1: resonated with me. It says that the talent is God 442 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 1: and his opportunity. You using your talent is God's opportunity 443 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 1: to shine through you. So it's like when other people 444 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 1: try to manage that, you're trying to control God, you know, 445 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 1: and you can't do that. That's why it feels so wrong. 446 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 1: It's like I'm channeling I'm just freeing, you know, free 447 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 1: flowing whatever you know. Sometimes don't even make it to 448 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 1: my brain. It just comes out of my mouth. Um, 449 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 1: and you come in trying to tell me what to 450 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 1: do with it. I don't even know what's about to happen. 451 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 1: How can you tell me what to do with this 452 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 1: that I'm just the vessel for you know, it's weird. Um. 453 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 1: And I don't think people really respect what we do, 454 00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 1: like the gift because it is a gift. It's like 455 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 1: they don't respe acted another. There's not enough reverence for it, 456 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 1: because if there were, you wouldn't judge, Like I don't 457 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 1: judge people's expression. I might not like it, but you know, 458 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 1: who am I to say that it's whack? Right? But 459 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 1: I think that it goes into the position that you 460 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:22,600 Speaker 1: play in it because we all understand as creatives that 461 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 1: we can't do the business of it by ourselves. We 462 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 1: can create, we can make the song, we can sing 463 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 1: the song, we can produce whatever, all of those parts, 464 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 1: but to actually do the business side of it and 465 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,960 Speaker 1: help it become I and I use the word help 466 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 1: very very strongly because that that is what we do 467 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 1: need in our business. We do need people's help. We 468 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 1: do need business minds. We need their help. We don't 469 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 1: always need their opinions and all the other things that 470 00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 1: go into that, but we need their help to get 471 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,120 Speaker 1: it to where we we ultimately wanted to be. And 472 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 1: I think what happens is what comes along with that 473 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 1: help is if I can give my opinion, they feel more, 474 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 1: they feel more vested, they feel more like they were 475 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,479 Speaker 1: a part of it. Then just I just grabbed it 476 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 1: with something you already had and I did a little bit. 477 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 1: And people like to be able to say no, no, no, no, no, 478 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 1: you know what I told him to turn this word 479 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 1: and that word or you know what I mean, I 480 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 1: helped them create this. Father's failure is an orphan. If 481 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,840 Speaker 1: I could make a list of all the people who 482 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 1: made hours an hour successful, I'm finding out new names. 483 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,719 Speaker 1: I'm like, that's so crazy. But then you know my 484 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 1: verg on mine and I'm like, well, maybe you did 485 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,720 Speaker 1: do something, and thank you, but I know what I did, 486 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:03,480 Speaker 1: and I know, like you know, I mean another I 487 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 1: have a knowledge of all the time. It's like, okay, 488 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,240 Speaker 1: if I plant the seed, I harvested the fruit that 489 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 1: the seed came from my planet, the seed I till 490 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 1: the soil, I watered it, I fertilized it. I went 491 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 1: out there intended to feel. I can't take get away 492 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 1: from the sun that the sun shined on it, like 493 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 1: helped it grow. And I can't take away from the 494 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 1: rain and the clouds that they rained. You know, I'm 495 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 1: not gonna take that from you. But if I didn't 496 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 1: put it down there, you know what I mean. So 497 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 1: it's kind of like that. It's like it all works together, 498 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:42,240 Speaker 1: it's all symbiosis. I'm not mad, but it do be 499 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 1: kind of be corny sometimes, like you didn't help me, 500 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 1: didn't help It's a form of currency for them. Yeah, yeah, 501 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 1: it's a form of currency to be able to you know, 502 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:54,520 Speaker 1: when you are the conversation, to be able to be 503 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 1: a part of that conversation. It's so frustrating, though, man, 504 00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 1: because it's like, like you said, I've been doing this 505 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 1: since two thousand, begging literally begging people like please, like 506 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 1: I'm telling you, just let me just give me a shot. 507 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:12,360 Speaker 1: You know, I got these songs, and I wasn't ready. 508 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 1: I didn't have the vision that I have now. Um, 509 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 1: but I've seen people help people with less of cour 510 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 1: so I just didn't understand why why not me? Like, 511 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,680 Speaker 1: you know, it took for me to step outside, go 512 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 1: find people who weren't even working in the business anymore. 513 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 1: And she's like, hey, would you come back and like 514 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:38,840 Speaker 1: help me out, Like let's start, let's do this thing together. 515 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 1: January started the label my husband, two old friends of mine. 516 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,440 Speaker 1: We're shot. He knows, like I mean, I know him 517 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 1: since I was seventeen. I had to go outside the 518 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 1: business to find help because for ten years, every time 519 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,720 Speaker 1: I would get the balls to try to make a 520 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:01,880 Speaker 1: pro jack, I write these songs and I get a 521 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:06,160 Speaker 1: phone called, oh blank, artists wants the song? Why are 522 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:10,000 Speaker 1: you blaming my records? So you didn't they weren't You 523 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,239 Speaker 1: weren't even sending them out for people to get them 524 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:19,720 Speaker 1: that work on your stuff on you don't have to gas. 525 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 1: But also there's the part that people really don't know 526 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:28,040 Speaker 1: is that the producer, for some reason, has the right 527 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:33,480 Speaker 1: to move your records without the writer's Well, I'll say this, 528 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:37,759 Speaker 1: they don't really have the right. What they have is 529 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:43,920 Speaker 1: the piece the master. There's a copyright. There's a copyright 530 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:47,000 Speaker 1: which is the top line, and the writer is not 531 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,719 Speaker 1: a part of the master. The artist is, so the 532 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:53,799 Speaker 1: masters was being sold. So that's where the powalyzed. That's 533 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,360 Speaker 1: what the producer has. But they don't have permission to 534 00:34:56,400 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 1: take my song. You don't they technically do well if 535 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:05,280 Speaker 1: you have some I'll say this as as a songwriter, 536 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,320 Speaker 1: you don't have the nuts to go and tell a 537 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:12,520 Speaker 1: list artist, yeah, you pay for that beat, I'm taking 538 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,239 Speaker 1: my song and I'm something else with it. You don't 539 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,000 Speaker 1: have the nuts to do that because if you do that, 540 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,600 Speaker 1: you will never get called again. And the peanut is 541 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:23,920 Speaker 1: some so scraps what you're making that you just be 542 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:29,120 Speaker 1: happy to get a chicken wing, you know. But technically, no, no, no, 543 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,560 Speaker 1: no no. If he gets full technically you're absolutely right. 544 00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,480 Speaker 1: You don't have technical you didn't have. Everybody has to 545 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 1: be in line because think about it. I think about 546 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:40,440 Speaker 1: it though, if I, if I, if you say, if 547 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,880 Speaker 1: you say, like he what does he owe? He owes you? 548 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,279 Speaker 1: Your he owes you? You're publishing right, okay? If he 549 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:51,120 Speaker 1: to take away payment, you gotta pay me nothing. If 550 00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,240 Speaker 1: you get a sync license, don't you gotta get it cleared, 551 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,560 Speaker 1: don't you? What's the split? Who's gonna prove the split? 552 00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:58,879 Speaker 1: You approve of my split. You don't have a mution 553 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:05,400 Speaker 1: to do that. It gets tricky, it does, but in 554 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,960 Speaker 1: more time and more times more more times than not, 555 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:13,279 Speaker 1: a producer has moved the song without a writer even 556 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,160 Speaker 1: knowing it, way more so than a writer moving a song, 557 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,680 Speaker 1: I think, without a producer. And this is also you know, 558 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,200 Speaker 1: psychology comes into play here because most of the time, 559 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:26,040 Speaker 1: I'll say it this way, there aren't a lot of 560 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:31,239 Speaker 1: female producers. It's a lot of female songwriters. There's male 561 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,319 Speaker 1: songwriters too, but there's a lot of female songwriters that 562 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,960 Speaker 1: dynamic plays apart. And I think it's also how you 563 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:41,640 Speaker 1: identify it because you take somebody like Ms Elliott, she's 564 00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,440 Speaker 1: but she ain't recording on your ste but when Elliott 565 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:49,719 Speaker 1: steps in the room, she's automatically a producer. But she 566 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:53,560 Speaker 1: also had the protection of her co writers to make 567 00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,680 Speaker 1: sure that she could be established like that. It's it's 568 00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,319 Speaker 1: a partnership. Well it was her. It was also her 569 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:05,120 Speaker 1: success and her under understanding the power imbalance or balance 570 00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:10,200 Speaker 1: and creating. Like think about this, like we always talk 571 00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:12,080 Speaker 1: about how do you make a record? Who's singing the 572 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,480 Speaker 1: record from top to bottom and making it what it is? Right? 573 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:21,800 Speaker 1: And so some producers. Some beat makers aren't producers most 574 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:27,319 Speaker 1: beat makers, right, and then someone like money Along comes 575 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:31,600 Speaker 1: in and takes that beat and turns it into an 576 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:35,200 Speaker 1: entire song from top to bottom where you line for 577 00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,560 Speaker 1: line with the artists and this. Don't do it that way, 578 00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:39,359 Speaker 1: make it like this. Can you drop the beat out 579 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,040 Speaker 1: and put that here? Okay? Yeah? If you could just 580 00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:42,759 Speaker 1: make the base do something really crazy right here when 581 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,320 Speaker 1: we get to the bridges, and now you've pre produced 582 00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:50,480 Speaker 1: the song, which I think more songwriters as they start 583 00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,680 Speaker 1: coming to the table and sitting down at that front 584 00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:56,560 Speaker 1: desk need to be mindful of well, I'm just going 585 00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,279 Speaker 1: to speak from my seat. Is that doing all of 586 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:04,680 Speaker 1: that and doing all the backgrounds and arranging and vocal producing, 587 00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:06,920 Speaker 1: and the artist leaves all my vocals on and I'm 588 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:12,120 Speaker 1: not getting a sound exchange all these things right? The issue, 589 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,920 Speaker 1: my issue is that I did not have the support 590 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,200 Speaker 1: of my co writers to make sure that when the 591 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,200 Speaker 1: business goes down, because they're not calling me, they're calling 592 00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:26,439 Speaker 1: you producer. When the business goes down, you make sure 593 00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:31,799 Speaker 1: I'm straight business affairs telling me I'm not a producer 594 00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:36,440 Speaker 1: even though I produced. That was my struggle, like that 595 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,719 Speaker 1: It happened to me so many times where I would 596 00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:41,640 Speaker 1: wake up and I'm gonna have a top ten song 597 00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:45,239 Speaker 1: on iTunes and didn't even know it just happened. It 598 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:50,000 Speaker 1: just happened. We're not gonna talk about it. Literally woke up. 599 00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:56,719 Speaker 1: My name is in the credits. So in that, like 600 00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:58,799 Speaker 1: you said, because at the at the space you at, now, 601 00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:03,879 Speaker 1: how for you personally? How do you get in front 602 00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,400 Speaker 1: of it? I just stop. I'm not going to allow 603 00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,600 Speaker 1: myself to be taking advantage of that way anymore, meaning 604 00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:13,840 Speaker 1: you won't do any writing friends, now, I'm not because 605 00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:17,360 Speaker 1: if this is my superpower, why am I sharing my 606 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,879 Speaker 1: superpower with people who don't respect me, who don't care 607 00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:25,320 Speaker 1: about me, who um are essentially you know, the villains 608 00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,960 Speaker 1: in my story? Why am I going to keep complaining 609 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,320 Speaker 1: about it? Just stop showing up. Just use the superpower 610 00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,719 Speaker 1: for people who are willing to bar in to me. 611 00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:35,920 Speaker 1: And I've all I've ever wanted was to be respected 612 00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:41,600 Speaker 1: and to like enjoy my gift. So I would say, 613 00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:48,399 Speaker 1: why not create you're super team with your superpower? Yeah, 614 00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,080 Speaker 1: that's in the process, that's you know what I mean, 615 00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:53,239 Speaker 1: instead of you know, because I would personally because I'm yes, 616 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,319 Speaker 1: you're my friend. I've known you for years. But I'm 617 00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,240 Speaker 1: also a fan of what you do as an artist 618 00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:01,600 Speaker 1: but also as a songwriter. So to hear you say 619 00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:05,960 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna stop, that's disheartening to me to you mean, 620 00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,920 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, because I'm a songwriter too. 621 00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:13,480 Speaker 1: We're all songwriters when we stop doing those things. Like 622 00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:15,239 Speaker 1: I've had people tell me this when it comes to 623 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,320 Speaker 1: me and being an artist, they're like, well, nigga, you 624 00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:21,479 Speaker 1: don't want to sing. I feel that way about songwriters too. Well, 625 00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:27,279 Speaker 1: just it's just raw, you know, from my heart. There 626 00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,040 Speaker 1: are a lot of people who have been in my 627 00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:34,440 Speaker 1: story over the years. Not one person has made sure 628 00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:40,680 Speaker 1: that I was protected. But now you're the protector. Yes, 629 00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:45,719 Speaker 1: so if it continues, it's my fault. I'm not blaming anybody. 630 00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:50,239 Speaker 1: I'm not mad at anybody, but there are people who 631 00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,120 Speaker 1: are in position. You don't have a publishing deal. I 632 00:40:53,200 --> 00:41:01,600 Speaker 1: had lawyers, I had managers. Yeah, you know, it can't 633 00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:06,000 Speaker 1: be mad at that's a business. But I'm a human. Absolutely. First, 634 00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,440 Speaker 1: I have PTSD. I'm not gonna lie you have. You 635 00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:13,239 Speaker 1: definitely have it. But I think you know people who 636 00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,200 Speaker 1: are are damaged in such a way. Only really have 637 00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:24,560 Speaker 1: two options. They can either either repeat the cycle and 638 00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,000 Speaker 1: find a better way to do things because you've earned 639 00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,040 Speaker 1: we've earned your spot. Now you've earned your spot, like 640 00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:34,280 Speaker 1: we've we can we can go down the list of 641 00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:38,800 Speaker 1: our own experiences or other people's experiences of that first 642 00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:43,120 Speaker 1: bad contract, that first whatever, these these situations, somebody saying 643 00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:44,960 Speaker 1: they wrote a song, you don't even remember them being 644 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,000 Speaker 1: in the room with you. You know what, It's just, 645 00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:51,160 Speaker 1: it gets tricky. We've we've seen it all. And what 646 00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:57,480 Speaker 1: we understand is that our talent kept us here, our 647 00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:01,920 Speaker 1: gift kept us here. Are you know, um our personalities 648 00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,439 Speaker 1: and just like you said, you've been you starting off 649 00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:08,160 Speaker 1: this episode the way you did. I would have never 650 00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:11,960 Speaker 1: expected you to say that. I never expect you to 651 00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,759 Speaker 1: say that, and it just it already. It was just 652 00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:18,680 Speaker 1: a good feeling for us even to be that person 653 00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:21,200 Speaker 1: or to be one of the people there that made 654 00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:24,280 Speaker 1: you feel welcome. So we look at it like, Okay, 655 00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:28,040 Speaker 1: when we get our shot, mm hmm, we will do 656 00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:32,400 Speaker 1: it differently. And I feel like you're at the space 657 00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:36,879 Speaker 1: now for sure, Well you can do it differently. There's 658 00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:38,959 Speaker 1: a responsibility that comes along with that and it's gonna 659 00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,680 Speaker 1: be and I'm gonna tell you because we deal with 660 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:46,080 Speaker 1: it some headaches that come along with trying to do 661 00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:49,520 Speaker 1: right and help people out and because some people they 662 00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:51,320 Speaker 1: don't get it. Not even if they don't get it, 663 00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:56,680 Speaker 1: some people like getting beat on. Yeah, unfortunately, just I 664 00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,799 Speaker 1: just had this conversation last night. I had I had 665 00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:04,400 Speaker 1: a moment yesterday morning where I was like, am I 666 00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:09,720 Speaker 1: really ready to accept that I don't have to have drama? 667 00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,279 Speaker 1: Am I ready to accept that I could live a 668 00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:16,600 Speaker 1: soft life and have like luxury and like have success. 669 00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:25,680 Speaker 1: And I'll be like I just am I? Am I 670 00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:29,880 Speaker 1: really okay? With're not feeling guilty that I bust my 671 00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:33,719 Speaker 1: ass and did it? And like because I had some 672 00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,040 Speaker 1: people literally quit like two months before my song gole 673 00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:43,239 Speaker 1: up quit? Am I okay with that? Like you know 674 00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:47,960 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like I really am okay, Like I'm fine. 675 00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:52,040 Speaker 1: You know, I don't have any grudges um, And it's 676 00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:56,160 Speaker 1: like I'm breaking this cycle of you hurt me, you 677 00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:59,719 Speaker 1: did me wrong because I did tell those stories like 678 00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:05,359 Speaker 1: wanting somebody to just be like dang, you know, pat 679 00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,279 Speaker 1: me on the back. But now it's like, well, what 680 00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:13,000 Speaker 1: is the next ten years look like for me. And 681 00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,640 Speaker 1: it started with me just deciding to invest in myself. 682 00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:20,680 Speaker 1: And then you know, I'm still before we started filming, 683 00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:24,240 Speaker 1: I said, I'm recal I'm still recalibrating to what life 684 00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:28,640 Speaker 1: means now after you know, the song blew up in 685 00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:32,160 Speaker 1: six days. It only took six days. It took me 686 00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:36,480 Speaker 1: about ten seconds of listening to Mike J sing it 687 00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:40,560 Speaker 1: because I was completely and listen, we'll tell the story, 688 00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:44,720 Speaker 1: but I was completely in the dark. I'm it goes 689 00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:48,560 Speaker 1: from me going on Mike J's page and him singing, 690 00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:52,960 Speaker 1: and I'm like, what the fuck is that? Maybe ten second? 691 00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,600 Speaker 1: I mean what I called him, I'm like, hey, nigga, 692 00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,719 Speaker 1: what the fund is this? Like? Heard this record? This 693 00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:07,240 Speaker 1: is money? Long? Wait wait what sore? Like yes, thinking 694 00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:16,520 Speaker 1: like no, fucking that's a reaction that because everyone knew 695 00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:18,920 Speaker 1: you are, I mean from from our within our industry, 696 00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:22,839 Speaker 1: you are you. You had already established yourself as such 697 00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:27,080 Speaker 1: a force and had so many great records that it 698 00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:31,680 Speaker 1: was already like oh yeah, but no, I hadn't heard it, 699 00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,279 Speaker 1: you know what I mean it and me calling you 700 00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,080 Speaker 1: and being like, listen, you got something. This this is 701 00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:39,920 Speaker 1: whatever you do with it. You got it. It's special 702 00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:45,600 Speaker 1: in ten seconds. It's crazy too, because at that particular moment, 703 00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:49,239 Speaker 1: we were fatigued. I'm so fatigued. We have been doing 704 00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,360 Speaker 1: it for two years, and we were just like, you 705 00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:56,760 Speaker 1: need another deposit how much I was trying to decide 706 00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:58,640 Speaker 1: if we were going to go to radio, and it 707 00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:04,160 Speaker 1: was just like, so, you were funding all of this 708 00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:07,200 Speaker 1: through your songwriting? Yes, did the money you've made song 709 00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:12,320 Speaker 1: right for? He said for? You said so a decade? 710 00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:14,719 Speaker 1: A decade though, for like ten straight years though, because 711 00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,280 Speaker 1: you're putting out you were putting out projects. In those times. 712 00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:19,960 Speaker 1: There was only one year that I didn't have any placements, 713 00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:23,799 Speaker 1: but I had a hit song every year for like 714 00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:29,200 Speaker 1: nine years. God was making sure you was all right, yeah, 715 00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:32,040 Speaker 1: it's it's definitely more champagne. I'm sure they got some more. 716 00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:37,479 Speaker 1: Tank keeps some champagne she keeping in the row. Record. 717 00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:40,320 Speaker 1: People understand that that's not normal. That is not normal. 718 00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,319 Speaker 1: That is not normal, that's not normal drinking. And I 719 00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:47,200 Speaker 1: definitely feel less to be able to say that because, 720 00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:56,799 Speaker 1: like you know, even I still haven't celebrating ceting. I know, 721 00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,600 Speaker 1: you know, how about R and B. So I I 722 00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:03,160 Speaker 1: want to what you really do, see what you really are. 723 00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:11,520 Speaker 1: In this new segment called Top five, we're gonna have 724 00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:15,480 Speaker 1: theme music soon. I can't afford it right now, we're 725 00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:23,640 Speaker 1: still getting that your top five R and B artists 726 00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:32,160 Speaker 1: male or female from any time. Oh it's my guy. 727 00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:38,520 Speaker 1: I love about man. I'm gonna say Faith, Yeah, I 728 00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:43,120 Speaker 1: had that cassette. I had to cassette my X to 729 00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:46,480 Speaker 1: talk about. Other people bought me the cassette. It's a 730 00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:51,200 Speaker 1: gift to keep going Heliah m M. I don't even 731 00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:58,759 Speaker 1: do that to me. M. And this might cause some 732 00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:01,920 Speaker 1: up for because a lot of people and not consider 733 00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,680 Speaker 1: it R and B. But Destiny's Child. Why wouldn't they 734 00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:11,120 Speaker 1: because they're I mean selling girls group of all times? 735 00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:14,040 Speaker 1: Right I am I saying this correctly. My favorite from 736 00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:17,640 Speaker 1: my Novelce the R and B album is destiny Fulfilled. 737 00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:23,880 Speaker 1: Look over there so proud. Like listen, one of my 738 00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:30,680 Speaker 1: friends that thinks he is beyont loves um. Yeah so 739 00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:36,239 Speaker 1: that so I said what I say, uh Faith, Aliyah, 740 00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:48,960 Speaker 1: Destiny's Child. I'm gonna say Whitney. Great way to round 741 00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:55,080 Speaker 1: it out. YEA love Whitney, okid me. I love that 742 00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:58,680 Speaker 1: you said of someone writing is crazy I love that 743 00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:03,880 Speaker 1: you play list full of vibe just mastered. He mastered 744 00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:08,239 Speaker 1: his vibe early mocked in. He's really like an incredible 745 00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:09,640 Speaker 1: song right now. I didn't get it for a long 746 00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,560 Speaker 1: time because we were you know, we're rivals, were all 747 00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:14,439 Speaker 1: on the same shows together. You know what I'm saying. 748 00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:17,120 Speaker 1: And I'm taking my shirt off and doing the most 749 00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:19,000 Speaker 1: and he's not. You know what I'm saying, But his 750 00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:22,000 Speaker 1: song is still getting great reactionally, What is going on? 751 00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:25,560 Speaker 1: What is he doing? Why is it working? And I 752 00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:27,920 Speaker 1: just had to stop and really listen to what he 753 00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:31,680 Speaker 1: was doing, and I was like, uh, you nice, da nice? 754 00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:34,600 Speaker 1: He nice. He just got the captions before it was 755 00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:40,279 Speaker 1: a thing. Yet you know stupid and yes he's nice. 756 00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:43,799 Speaker 1: Shout out to my brother. Um, okay, here we're coming 757 00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:49,560 Speaker 1: to five? Is still here? Top five R and B 758 00:49:49,960 --> 00:50:00,759 Speaker 1: songs at your best? The version contagious, Me and my 759 00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:07,240 Speaker 1: sister sing that everything everything what I've seen a multiple parts. 760 00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:11,399 Speaker 1: Have you seen have you seen that? The little white 761 00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:14,640 Speaker 1: man and the black ladies singing it at like a 762 00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:22,319 Speaker 1: gas stations, acting it out and everything. I'm not gonna 763 00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:26,200 Speaker 1: say what they own, they own something. It's definitely been 764 00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:29,319 Speaker 1: to okay, okay, so it's contagious. Um and I didn't 765 00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:35,080 Speaker 1: know that was heard that shut? Yes shut. Don't you 766 00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:45,080 Speaker 1: see too, man, it's talking m contagious. Yes, okay, at 767 00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:53,000 Speaker 1: your best contagious. I'm gonna say butterflies, m amazing record. 768 00:50:53,160 --> 00:51:03,799 Speaker 1: Michael shout out to Marsha Masha. I'm gonna say officially 769 00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:13,759 Speaker 1: missing you, m M Yeah. And one last one. You 770 00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:19,080 Speaker 1: don't have to call wow. I don't know what it 771 00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:22,160 Speaker 1: is about that song, but every time that song comes 772 00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:25,360 Speaker 1: can say that I have to be in the car. 773 00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:32,600 Speaker 1: I was I gonna say superstar, but I just you 774 00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:35,120 Speaker 1: know I'm into jams right now? Have you been? Have 775 00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:39,520 Speaker 1: you been to the show? Yeah? You gotta go up. 776 00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:44,799 Speaker 1: He's turning up. This is this is this is homework team. 777 00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:53,360 Speaker 1: Take her to the show. Isn't it about to be over? No? 778 00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:01,160 Speaker 1: You are going to the Usher show. Sit on the 779 00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:05,480 Speaker 1: couches in the middle or the section right above the couches. 780 00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:09,920 Speaker 1: Sound guy, he's mixing right there above you. That's what 781 00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,080 Speaker 1: it sound is. Well, we are going to Vegas next week. 782 00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:15,160 Speaker 1: I think this week. I don't think they're I don't 783 00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:17,160 Speaker 1: think they're there right now, are they not? I don't 784 00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:23,399 Speaker 1: think they're but you got alright you yeah, we got 785 00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:25,720 Speaker 1: get up on you now, Okay, we're the phone police. 786 00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:32,560 Speaker 1: We're gonna okay, so that's that's okay. And to build 787 00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:36,560 Speaker 1: R and B voltron Okay, we're gonna build your the 788 00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:40,040 Speaker 1: best R and B singer you can build from the vocals, 789 00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:42,840 Speaker 1: from the performance style, to the styling to the passion 790 00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:45,319 Speaker 1: of the artists. Who are you getting the vocals from 791 00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:50,600 Speaker 1: to build your R and B artist? Who am I 792 00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:56,600 Speaker 1: going to take? Who the least singer? Who is the 793 00:52:56,719 --> 00:53:05,400 Speaker 1: least Kelly Price? Yeah? Yeah, you're trying to whoop a 794 00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:10,239 Speaker 1: nigga taking Kelly's vocals for sure, because you knows how 795 00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:13,560 Speaker 1: to stack. She knows how to stack. If you even 796 00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:17,160 Speaker 1: just talked to Kelly Price. Um No, I did work 797 00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:22,560 Speaker 1: with her though before. She's so smart. She's very, very 798 00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:26,840 Speaker 1: tuned into her gift. Like I've watched her lead background 799 00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:30,360 Speaker 1: singers into a special place that they weren't at until 800 00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:33,600 Speaker 1: she started talking and leading them, and it just got 801 00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:37,520 Speaker 1: special real fast. I don't know why. I just want 802 00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:47,160 Speaker 1: to scream out, Kelly take this home. But okay, keep going. Okay, 803 00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,480 Speaker 1: we got the vocal from Kelly Price, good Lord Almney Okay. 804 00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:59,840 Speaker 1: Performance style on stage vocals is Kelly Price, the performances 805 00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:07,040 Speaker 1: Janet mm hmm. Nobody, she's talk about talking about it, 806 00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:20,880 Speaker 1: she's it. They're gonna stab you in the car. Fiance 807 00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:25,240 Speaker 1: came from somewhere. Yeah, so Jeri Prize with Janet okay 808 00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:30,560 Speaker 1: um styling. What you want the artist to look like? 809 00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:42,080 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Sierra but Cierra Wilson mm hmm. Okay, I 810 00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:43,600 Speaker 1: see what you see what you did there? Yeah? I 811 00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:46,719 Speaker 1: see what you like? What you did there? Very fly, 812 00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:52,680 Speaker 1: very fly, very very refined. Okay, he still do a 813 00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:54,040 Speaker 1: leg if let's still do a little leg if you 814 00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:57,800 Speaker 1: need to see it because it's in shape lay exclusive pieces. 815 00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:05,640 Speaker 1: Well that is good. The money is long, money is long. Yeah, 816 00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:09,160 Speaker 1: I see what you did see? I see who are 817 00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:11,840 Speaker 1: you getting the passion from the heart of the arts? 818 00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:21,879 Speaker 1: Did he yeah? Yeah, not wrong you talking about don't 819 00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:26,000 Speaker 1: get to get to it? He got different type passion 820 00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:34,080 Speaker 1: Kelly Voice, Janet performing Stage Presents, Cierra Wilson styling. Did 821 00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:37,920 Speaker 1: he's passion? Listen, I'm gonna tell you something he wants something, 822 00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:45,520 Speaker 1: can't get it going after get it period and everybody 823 00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:50,400 Speaker 1: ryand you might as well, get on board. I like 824 00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:52,560 Speaker 1: what you did. Then that's a function. I like what 825 00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:57,239 Speaker 1: you did that, ain't it though? You got through that, 826 00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:01,920 Speaker 1: You got through that, but you know we hit it up. Yeah. 827 00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:09,800 Speaker 1: This segments are saying the names very important. The story 828 00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:12,960 Speaker 1: can either be funny, are fucked up. Are funny and 829 00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:17,640 Speaker 1: fucked up. The only rule is you can't say no names. 830 00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:23,279 Speaker 1: Get your ship off. Okay, get your off, um, introduce it. 831 00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:32,240 Speaker 1: This is money loans. I ain't saying the names. Okay. Well, 832 00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:39,279 Speaker 1: this particular person uh grew up Levin superhero to me, 833 00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:47,640 Speaker 1: and so when I met them, uh, highly disappointed, highly disappointed. 834 00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:53,279 Speaker 1: This person really just wanted me for my songs. I 835 00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:55,680 Speaker 1: wanted to, you know, get the mentor like you know, 836 00:56:55,719 --> 00:57:03,440 Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, several runnings where we just did not jail. 837 00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:07,920 Speaker 1: At one point, you know, I walk into this room 838 00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:13,000 Speaker 1: and they started screaming, you're a fake bit like Wiling, 839 00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:17,920 Speaker 1: and I'm just like, everybody knows who this person is. 840 00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:21,600 Speaker 1: So it's very embarrassing. So I just tend to stay 841 00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:25,400 Speaker 1: away every time I see this person outside. Stay away. 842 00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:33,280 Speaker 1: So fast forward to this Grammy party, we have similar team. Um. 843 00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:35,440 Speaker 1: Without saying too much because it will give it away, 844 00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:38,600 Speaker 1: but we have a similar team. We're at this place 845 00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:45,800 Speaker 1: and I feel these eyes. I feel like I'm being 846 00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:50,360 Speaker 1: stared at. I'm standing in my circle, I'm talking and 847 00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:55,160 Speaker 1: I look sure enough grilling me, Ice grilling me just 848 00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:02,280 Speaker 1: so are kind of like how you know, behind the 849 00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:06,040 Speaker 1: person that I was talking to, And I'm like, is 850 00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:10,000 Speaker 1: this really happening? You know what? So I'll do it again, 851 00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:14,240 Speaker 1: look sang thing, Ice grilling me. And that's how the 852 00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:18,120 Speaker 1: night went, you know. You score from here to here. Literally, 853 00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:21,520 Speaker 1: I'm moving around the room and I keep feeling the 854 00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:25,040 Speaker 1: eyes until it got to a place where you know, 855 00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:28,360 Speaker 1: there's some people in this business or in the world 856 00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:33,000 Speaker 1: really who just cannot stand not being recognized like that. 857 00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:36,600 Speaker 1: Don't you know who I am? Energy, It's very much 858 00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:40,280 Speaker 1: that it was like, Okay, well, I followed you around 859 00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:43,720 Speaker 1: this whole party. You're not going to acknowledge me, even 860 00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:45,920 Speaker 1: though I'm looking at you dead in your eyes. Now 861 00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:48,400 Speaker 1: I'm going to stand right in front of you, you know, 862 00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:51,240 Speaker 1: and I'm not going to speak to you. I'm gonna 863 00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:52,560 Speaker 1: say nothing to you. I'm just gonna look at you. 864 00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:56,760 Speaker 1: And yeah, it was very, very very awkward. I didn't 865 00:58:56,760 --> 00:59:01,440 Speaker 1: say nothing either. I was just like, this cannot be real. 866 00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:07,640 Speaker 1: All night stare off. The entire party literally followed me 867 00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:10,680 Speaker 1: around the first floor. I go upstairs, follow up me 868 00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:14,440 Speaker 1: chair like yeah, and this is one of my heroes. 869 00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:19,480 Speaker 1: This business will do that to you sometimes. Very disappointing. 870 00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:24,240 Speaker 1: So now I just don't even want to meet nobody. No, 871 00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:27,600 Speaker 1: I just I don't go to meet Remember how nice 872 00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:30,320 Speaker 1: that guy was when you met him? There a people 873 00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:32,280 Speaker 1: like yeah, but I mean I feel like you met me, 874 00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:35,680 Speaker 1: like you know what I'm saying. You you offered your 875 00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:40,320 Speaker 1: energy first. People like you know what I mean a 876 00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:42,720 Speaker 1: lot of people like us. Like imagine if I would 877 00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:44,760 Speaker 1: have went up to you and like and you was 878 00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:46,480 Speaker 1: like not right now, then I would have had off 879 00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:50,880 Speaker 1: totally different story would have been the same energy. Okay, 880 00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:54,000 Speaker 1: but you're you're you. You know what I'm saying. Everybody's 881 00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:57,600 Speaker 1: not like that. Be open to people being like us 882 01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:07,440 Speaker 1: Na Champ, I'm good. We're gonna make sure we outside 883 01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:11,160 Speaker 1: when you are outside, we help. We're gonna start making 884 01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:14,080 Speaker 1: sure we outside of you outside are outside. And they 885 01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:28,400 Speaker 1: started staring with yeah, very awkward. Well, listen, you are 886 01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:32,320 Speaker 1: doing a thing. You are you are living out a 887 01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:38,080 Speaker 1: real dream and and not just yours, all the people 888 01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:42,400 Speaker 1: UM that are connected to that are cheering for you, 889 01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:46,000 Speaker 1: that are being inspired by you, by you, UM that 890 01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:49,360 Speaker 1: will eventually want to not even just buy a ticket, 891 01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:53,040 Speaker 1: but want to beat you at some point. You are 892 01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:55,840 Speaker 1: You are living a dream. You are a living dream. 893 01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:59,960 Speaker 1: And we salute you. We give you flowers, we give 894 01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:04,360 Speaker 1: you ammunition, we give you encouragement, we give your brotherhood 895 01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:09,960 Speaker 1: anything you need. We we we got you. We got you. 896 01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:14,280 Speaker 1: Thank you for having me on. Now, Ladies and gentlemen, 897 01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:18,280 Speaker 1: my name is Tanker, I'm Jay Valentine, and this has 898 01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:20,880 Speaker 1: been the arm by Money podcast, the authority on all 899 01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:28,880 Speaker 1: things R. We're gonna have some fun, Ladies and gentlemen, Money, 900 01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:44,160 Speaker 1: Long and Money, R and B Money is a production 901 01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:47,880 Speaker 1: of the Black Effect Podcast Network. 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