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Speaker 1: What if you guys were the same age. What if

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Speaker 1: you came in because you came in ninety eight, Lebron

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Speaker 2: If we were the same age, I don't believe he

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Speaker 2: would have had four championships. He wouldn't have kept him

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Speaker 2: or he wouldn't have got those two in Miami. You know,

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Speaker 2: I was at an older age then a lot of

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Speaker 2: keep up with him. I'm looking at I'll be looking

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Speaker 2: at that tape shit, and I'm like.

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Speaker 3: Damn, I couldn't even move all my life, grinding all

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Speaker 3: my life, sacrifights, hustle, p price Wan, slice the bro

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Speaker 3: all my life. I'd been grinding all my life, all

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Speaker 3: my life, grinding all my life, sacrifics, hustle, p prison one, slicector.

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Speaker 4: Bron all my life.

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Speaker 3: I've been grinding all my life.

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Speaker 1: Hell on, Welcome to another episode of Club Sha Shay.

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Speaker 1: I am your host. Shannon sharp Up, also the propride

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Speaker 1: of Club Sha Sha s opping by for conversation on

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Speaker 1: the drink today, is one of the greatest small forwards

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Speaker 1: in NBA history.

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Speaker 4: He's an NBA legend, an NBA champion.

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Speaker 1: The Finals MVP, ten time All Star, four time All

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Speaker 1: NBA selections, A member of the very prestigious seventy fifth

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Speaker 1: Anniversary team signified he's one of the greatest seventy five

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Speaker 1: players in NBA history. NBA Scoring Champ, NBA Three Point

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Speaker 1: Contest Champ Seth Proclaim Best scorer in NBA Pure Score,

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Speaker 1: in NBA Pure.

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Speaker 4: Hall of Famer.

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Speaker 1: His jersey is retired by two story franchises, the Boston

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Speaker 1: Celtics and the Kansas Jayawks. He's a McDonald's All American

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Speaker 1: Mister Basketball in the state of California government name is Paul.

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Speaker 4: Pierce, but you know him as the truth here. He

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Speaker 4: is true.

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Speaker 1: I'm always like, when I read off people's accolades, I'm

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Speaker 1: always I'm anxious to hear when you hear everything that

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Speaker 1: I read off. And it's not that you deserve that,

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Speaker 1: you earn that when you hear all the things that

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Speaker 1: I read, what's going through you mad?

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Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm like, damn, I ain't heard it. Like

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Speaker 2: minute career. I'm like, man, I really did left my

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Speaker 2: mark on the game. Yeah, you know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 2: And it's come from childhood, you know, coming from here

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Speaker 2: in Inglewood and and going through every stage and being

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Speaker 2: one of the top from like high school to college

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Speaker 2: to making it to the league. I mean, it's I've

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Speaker 2: been blessed. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. That's just

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Speaker 2: a testament. I think of my hard work, my dedication

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Speaker 2: to everything, and and it's showing, you know, based on

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Speaker 2: what you what you read off right, Man.

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Speaker 4: Let's toast that then.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, it's great to have your own man for shure,

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Speaker 1: you did break the internet. You said you're the best

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Speaker 1: pure score in NBA history. I want to because when

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Speaker 1: people think of scores, having followed the game as long

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Speaker 1: as I follow, people talk about Kobe, people talk about Jordan,

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Speaker 1: they talk about Kevin Durant, they talk about James Harden.

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Speaker 1: You said you are a better a pure score? What

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Speaker 1: if what is your definition of a pure score? All right?

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Speaker 2: This is this is I'm gonna say because when I

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Speaker 2: like this is I said, like this, if you just

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Speaker 2: took everybody's greatest scoring strength or just say the athletics,

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Speaker 2: let's just say the athleticism and put me in that

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Speaker 2: round with them. That's how I feel. But Paul, you know,

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Speaker 2: people don't look at you as being athletic. Paul, you

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Speaker 2: don't jump high. You don't know what I'm saying. That's

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Speaker 2: why I feel if you take that, lets about it.

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Speaker 4: Okay, okay, okay, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 5: Take take you.

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Speaker 2: Jordan's athleticis about where he can't just jump over you

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Speaker 2: score and we just do everything on the floor. I

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Speaker 2: feel like my skill level is better than cobD Man.

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Speaker 2: Cob is close.

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Speaker 5: No, no, look.

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Speaker 2: You because if you ever watched Coke interviews by me,

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Speaker 2: you know he always talked about my foot Yes, and

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Speaker 2: their athleticism. Well, so if there is anybody he's he's

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Speaker 1: Well, Harden is not the most athletic, but Harden can

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but looks at this when you look at how

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Speaker 2: about this, I could come up like today's game, namely

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Speaker 2: one player that can come off a down screen and

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Speaker 2: off the pick and roll, we're not talking about nothing

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Speaker 5: I feel like post.

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Speaker 1: So when you said that statement, how many how many

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Speaker 4: The true man? What you talking about?

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Speaker 2: I mean they thought I was on something, but I'm liken't.

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Speaker 2: They don't think like how I was thinking, And like

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Speaker 2: how am I explaining? And now I think it'll make

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Speaker 2: but even that, take all the top scores, take their

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Speaker 2: even tell me what's the best thing I do offensively,

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Speaker 2: because I think I do all of them.

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Speaker 5: This SI, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: Like you can say, Curry take a shooting ability away, Jordan,

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Speaker 2: what his his fade away or whatever? Like you like,

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Speaker 2: what do you take away from me? Like I can do?

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Speaker 2: Like what's my greatest scoring strength? Nobody can even tell

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna push you to the three point last.

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Speaker 2: I won a three point championship context I want a

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Speaker 2: three point contenttion that ain't nobody to guard you. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I've dominated games from the three, like you know what

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Speaker 1: But I'm like, I'm right there, right, you did you

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Speaker 5: That right, And so I always tell you, but that's

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Speaker 5: the thing, it's not.

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Speaker 1: Just winning this three point competition, it is who you

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Speaker 2: The three point competition. I said, I Steph Curry was

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Speaker 2: it was still Steph. It was still Steph Curry.

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Speaker 2: That's all I need to know Steph Curry was in

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Speaker 4: I don't know how old he was. I don't know

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Speaker 4: was there. Hey, we ain't talking.

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Speaker 1: Hey, we're not talking about ten years still, we're not

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Speaker 5: See the greatest shooter ever.

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Speaker 1: He's the greatest shoot ever. Well, I beat him. That's

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Speaker 1: all I'm saying. Kevin Durant responded and say, you know

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Speaker 1: what I really do. I really didn't see any weakness

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Speaker 1: in Paul's game. I understand where his confidence comes from.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned I ain't have no holes. I can post you.

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Speaker 1: I can hit the minuti, I could shoot the three.

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Speaker 1: I could drive the basketball. I could drive and pull up.

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Speaker 4: So when you look at it, it.

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Speaker 5: Ain't really That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: What, like, what can they do that I can't except

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Speaker 2: jump over somebody, right, you know what I'm saying, Like,

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Speaker 2: I got I can shoot the three, I can shoot

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Speaker 1: The efficiency in which he does, efficiency in which someone

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Speaker 2: Now, that's what they're looking at. But if we just

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Speaker 4: And that's what he does in today's game.

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Speaker 1: Who do you when you watching today's game, you're like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I see a little bit of my game in him.

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Speaker 4: And yeah, I definitely see Tatum more.

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Speaker 4: And people like flash. Yeah, that's what Jordan because we

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Speaker 1: Hanging out, the way he got the ball in the head,

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Speaker 4: In your face.

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Speaker 1: He elevating over people, you know, Connie Hawkins and and

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Speaker 4: Have flash with it. Now.

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Speaker 1: If Greatest Shay is I don't think he gets the

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Speaker 4: We don't need it, we don't want you.

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Speaker 1: You know, we come from the air shinnon to where

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Speaker 2: A culture, we flashy, yes, you know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 2: way you hear me before you yeah, looking, that's how

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Speaker 2: I heard about him in high school. NBA cast was

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Speaker 1: Baron Davis said, you're the greatest player to come out

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Speaker 4: I mean, Surey Miller is.

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Speaker 1: Not from LA She's from a suburbs, but we're gonna

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Speaker 4: You the best athlete come out of the LA.

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Speaker 2: Oh, not the best athlete. He probably meant more like

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Speaker 2: give it to Lisa. Okay, I give it to Lisa Lastlie.

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Speaker 2: I've always had admiration from she from Inglewood, Like, okay, okay,

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Speaker 4: When you're young, you're like, let me go check out

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Speaker 4: everybody talking about Lisa. She scored one hundred points like

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Speaker 2: Right right, she was cold. Man, I'm telling you, I

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Speaker 5: And so I give I give it to her, give

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Speaker 2: I'll probably be in the top three or four maybe

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Speaker 2: what's your fondest memories of growing up in Inglewood?

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Speaker 1: What did what did about? Seven year old ten year

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Speaker 4: Man?

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Speaker 2: I think as a as a young black kid growing

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Speaker 2: I was born in East Oakland, Okay, you know, and

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Speaker 2: it's just like to be a sports or rap you know.

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Speaker 2: You know, you know, that's just what it was in

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Speaker 2: We didn't feel like we can be doctors or the Huxtables,

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Speaker 5: You know, So my dream was always to be in

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Speaker 2: Man. It was like it was it was all or nothing.

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying if I didn't make any hoop that

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Speaker 4: You're gonna find a way to figure it out. You

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Speaker 1: It's not that you couldn't have been better and and

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Speaker 4: But right now it's all eight man.

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Speaker 2: And then you don't realize how hard you really work.

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Speaker 2: Her Like people say it, yeah, but they don't do

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Speaker 2: you know, like me when everybody going out. Man, I'm

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Speaker 1: My grandfather used to tell me and my brother now

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Speaker 1: He said, never mistake habit for hard work. And it

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Speaker 1: doing that out of habit, Yeah, for sure. So people

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Speaker 4: Right, Man, coach messed over me. Man, I was spoke.

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Speaker 4: I was spoke. Hey, hey, Paul, why not better than

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Speaker 4: you in the eighth grade? Paul? Why not better than you?

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Speaker 5: Sure was?

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Speaker 4: Hey, you was dog, but you showed complation exactly got complacent.

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Speaker 4: But it's funny to hear other athletes say it.

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Speaker 1: And if you've been a professional athlete, you understand what

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Speaker 4: Man, Coach, just like you, coach, ain't putting no ball

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Speaker 2: Coach, ain't catching no passes people as excuse makers. Yes,

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Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. Like whenever my mom was

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Speaker 2: like you know, she always told me, like listen, you

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Speaker 2: but you got to put into work. But like, don't

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Speaker 2: make excuses for this shit. Yeah, like you you it's

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Speaker 2: on you. If something happens, it's on you.

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Speaker 4: Correct.

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Speaker 2: Don't stop blaming everybody else because you're gonna spend the

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Speaker 1: For your failures. Yes, I blame me for every time

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Speaker 1: I mess up something. That's the only person and then

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Speaker 1: I can get over it better. Yes, so it's easy.

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Speaker 1: But you grew up in you started your first nine

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Speaker 1: years with in Oakland, then you come to Inglewood. The

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Speaker 1: gang culture was heavily in both areas. How did you

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Speaker 2: That's a that's a story we don't document enough, Like

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Speaker 2: the way sports and gang culture came up, especially for

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Speaker 2: like inner city kids. It kind of went hand in hand. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and so it's like you can easily get caught up

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Speaker 2: because I've seen guys that was great at basketball, but

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Speaker 2: they were still in the streets, you know. And and

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Speaker 2: that comes from, like I think, having like the right

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Speaker 2: people around you, the right friends, you know, and the

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Speaker 2: right parents. I saw my mom struggle. I come from

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Speaker 2: you know to this day. Well, I've seen pictures of

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Speaker 2: but I don't have a memory of them. And so,

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Speaker 2: you know, the one thing I always preached, like, don't

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Speaker 2: That's what you know. The gangs is all about just

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Speaker 4: The build.

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Speaker 1: I've heard people say it's the only family I know.

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Speaker 1: It's the only family I had. They made me feel

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Speaker 1: You know, you're supposed to feel the love. And I

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Speaker 1: this group. But like, if this is love, then why

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Speaker 1: y'all beating my ass?

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Speaker 5: Like to get on.

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Speaker 2: If this is love, why are you asking me to

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm getting in the car and there's a

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Speaker 2: I've been calling one of them cars. Share man, I've

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Speaker 5: Nigga.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know it's gonna happen, right, But I was

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Speaker 2: just like, I can't put myself in this situation no more.

438
00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:39,840
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, because I see a lot

439
00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:43,680
Speaker 2: of my young friends get killed. I've seen a lot

440
00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:46,639
Speaker 2: of my young friends, Like it's it's crazy, Like as

441
00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:48,040
Speaker 2: a kid, you don't really think about it because we're

442
00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:49,720
Speaker 2: so used to it growing up. And they're like, like,

443
00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:52,480
Speaker 2: it's traumatizing now, like when you think about it, like.

444
00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:55,560
Speaker 4: What could have been or what could have been lost?

445
00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:58,720
Speaker 2: But we taught to be tough. When I just lost

446
00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,119
Speaker 2: my friend, I was with up them movies. Yesterday I

447
00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:05,960
Speaker 2: went to life three funerals in high school. That's not normal, right, No, absolutely,

448
00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:06,600
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying.

449
00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:07,280
Speaker 5: But we looked at it.

450
00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:10,280
Speaker 2: It's like, man, deal with it, right, you know, this

451
00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:14,160
Speaker 2: is what happens. You know, like today, you know you're

452
00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:16,159
Speaker 2: gonna have to see or see somebody and talk about it.

453
00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:18,720
Speaker 2: Whereas like you gotta deal with it. But I'm like, man,

454
00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,480
Speaker 2: just don't stay up, stay from this area, right, watch

455
00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:24,840
Speaker 2: you know, watch it. And that's not normal the mindset,

456
00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:26,800
Speaker 2: because like my mindset was like, man, I just want

457
00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:27,640
Speaker 2: to make it to twenty one.

458
00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:30,399
Speaker 1: Yes, wow, you know, like damn what you want to

459
00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:31,000
Speaker 1: be when you grow up? Now?

460
00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:32,600
Speaker 4: I want to just be twenty one, twenty one.

461
00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:36,040
Speaker 2: Because you know, the statistics was most young black kids

462
00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:38,199
Speaker 2: before the age of twenty one would be dead or

463
00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:40,560
Speaker 2: in jail. Correct, And you hear that all the time.

464
00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:43,639
Speaker 2: Growing up, and I was just like, get to twenty one.

465
00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:45,120
Speaker 4: Paul, What theever a situation?

466
00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:48,199
Speaker 1: I remember when, like when I was in college and

467
00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:50,639
Speaker 1: then I got to the league. I had guys that

468
00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:52,639
Speaker 1: I went to high school with. I knew what they

469
00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:54,960
Speaker 1: were doing, but they would never put me in harm way.

470
00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:56,880
Speaker 1: I would be somewhere else, like, hey man, I'm head

471
00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:59,560
Speaker 1: back downtown. Anybody want to ride with me? They like, nah, shop,

472
00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:01,760
Speaker 1: I got that stuff on me. I ain't gonna because

473
00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:03,800
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna even put you in home harm's way.

474
00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:06,639
Speaker 1: You get stopped. They already know I'm dirty.

475
00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:07,120
Speaker 4: Now.

476
00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:09,560
Speaker 1: If they ain't gonna talk about me, they're gonna talk

477
00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:11,280
Speaker 1: about Sharp's homeboy in the NFL.

478
00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:13,560
Speaker 4: So for the song whether the City, because it used

479
00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:14,240
Speaker 4: to be like that.

480
00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,040
Speaker 1: Guys would not let guys bro you got some may

481
00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:18,080
Speaker 1: get your ass out of here.

482
00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:19,960
Speaker 4: You got stuff going on, you get them help them

483
00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:20,400
Speaker 4: around here.

484
00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:22,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's what gang cultures are. Once you started

485
00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:26,800
Speaker 2: getting good in your neighborhood, that's the thing about the

486
00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:29,919
Speaker 2: gang culture and sports. They started rallying around that. So

487
00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:32,040
Speaker 2: they were just like, Nah, you can't come over here

488
00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:34,240
Speaker 2: today or now. We gotta make sure you get home

489
00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:36,080
Speaker 2: because if anybody gonna make it a hood, we're gonna

490
00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:38,080
Speaker 2: make sure you make it. Yes, you know, and that's

491
00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:39,760
Speaker 2: the story. Don't get talked about.

492
00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:40,159
Speaker 4: You know what.

493
00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:42,240
Speaker 2: We're gonna go to the games. Ain't nobody gonna do nothing.

494
00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:45,040
Speaker 2: It was like your your your security.

495
00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:45,600
Speaker 5: You know.

496
00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:46,200
Speaker 4: Nobody.

497
00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:49,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, security way back there, like don't mess up.

498
00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:51,080
Speaker 2: He you know, he gonna make it out right, you

499
00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:52,520
Speaker 2: know because if he make it out we feel like

500
00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:53,240
Speaker 2: we all made it.

501
00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:53,760
Speaker 4: We do.

502
00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:56,960
Speaker 1: And that's that was the culture, and that's what it was.

503
00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:58,119
Speaker 1: I did have that. You know.

504
00:21:58,119 --> 00:21:59,760
Speaker 2: It would be times like you know, I'm over there.

505
00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:02,080
Speaker 2: They they smoking weed and everything like, man, you gotta

506
00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:03,760
Speaker 2: go home, man, you know, get go home, Get home.

507
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,040
Speaker 2: I'm just outside around the corner. But this is what

508
00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:09,440
Speaker 2: I live around. You know, they all standing outside. Man,

509
00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:10,760
Speaker 2: go home, Man, get ready to get to get you

510
00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:12,560
Speaker 2: go go go to the gym or go shoot some hoops.

511
00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:15,280
Speaker 1: All right, get out of here. You know what I'm saying.

512
00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:17,640
Speaker 1: Is it true that you got cut from your high

513
00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:21,399
Speaker 1: school basketball team as a freshman Msidemore sophomore? Yeah, I

514
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:22,040
Speaker 1: got demoted.

515
00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:26,000
Speaker 4: So you tried out for barcity put you on JV.

516
00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,440
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, But then he brought me back up.

517
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,720
Speaker 2: He brought me back up because look, we was missing

518
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:36,200
Speaker 2: some players. He brought me back up because we was

519
00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:38,320
Speaker 2: missing some players. I think we only had like seven

520
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:41,080
Speaker 2: players for this tournament, you know what I'm saying. Because

521
00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:44,240
Speaker 2: over Christmas, break right going everywhere. So I was there.

522
00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 1: So he had no choice but to play, and so

523
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:48,560
Speaker 1: I started ball. I took advantage of the.

524
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,119
Speaker 4: Open opportunity, you know.

525
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,320
Speaker 2: And that's what people got to realize. When your window

526
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,240
Speaker 2: was there, you gotta seize it. That was my window,

527
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,000
Speaker 2: because like maybe I wouldn't have gained the confidence I

528
00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:02,119
Speaker 2: gained if I didn't take advantage of my window. And

529
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 2: from that point on, it just my confidence grew.

530
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:05,280
Speaker 4: Yeah.

531
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 2: I was the youngest on the team, and then they

532
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:08,800
Speaker 2: were just like, man, you know what, We're gonna keep

533
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:10,440
Speaker 2: him up on varsity and he gonna start the rest

534
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,520
Speaker 2: of the year. Wow, Like the last sixteen games started.

535
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 2: And from that that was it, And that was it.

536
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:19,320
Speaker 2: I started gaining confidence. I was getting stronger, and I

537
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 2: was just like, man, I can be good. So now

538
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 2: I'm like, shoot, I'm I'm in a gym, Like I'm

539
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,199
Speaker 2: getting better, right, I'm starting I'm growing into my my

540
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,400
Speaker 2: little grown man face. Now I'm just like, oh okay,

541
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 2: because you know when you get that confidence and you

542
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:35,679
Speaker 2: just see everything when you start seeing shots going and

543
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 2: you getting better and you growing, and you're like, oh man,

544
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:40,399
Speaker 2: I can do it. And then I got the people

545
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 2: around me saying, man, you can, you can do it.

546
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 4: You're like, I don't know who job I took, but

547
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:45,880
Speaker 4: he ain't getting it back.

548
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 1: You coming back, you know, coming you by st chriss

549
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 1: break bro, Yeah, yeah, en'd up coming back from this?

550
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 4: The reason why you moved to La? Did you burn

551
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:56,440
Speaker 4: the house down?

552
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 1: I did have a situation like that, man, What you

553
00:23:59,119 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 1: mean a situation?

554
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:00,680
Speaker 4: Man?

555
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:02,960
Speaker 1: I was a kid, you know.

556
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:06,880
Speaker 2: Something like a lot of people don't know this story,

557
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,159
Speaker 2: and thank god social media wasn't now because I was.

558
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,879
Speaker 1: I was playing with matches as a like eight year old.

559
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 5: Just we had a.

560
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 2: Little small two bedroom house and three boys in it

561
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:20,680
Speaker 2: and I was playing them. I'll never forget it either.

562
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 2: I'm whiting up the quilt, blowing it out, like you

563
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 2: know we caught it quilt then, yeah, quilt. Kids don't

564
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,359
Speaker 2: know about that, the quilt that was hand made. So

565
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 2: I'm blowing it out, seeing how matches worked and it

566
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:37,679
Speaker 2: lit it and it said and I looked and and

567
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:39,880
Speaker 2: it was so out of control, and my mama bedroom.

568
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 1: I ran out and.

569
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:41,359
Speaker 5: Sat on the couch.

570
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 2: You ain't yell, nobody saying nothing. Next thing you know,

571
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 2: it's smoke. And next thing you know, man, we we man.

572
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 2: I'm in front of the house, the whole neighborhood outside firetrucks.

573
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 4: Did you tell them what happened?

574
00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, Eventually I got my ass whipped a lot.

575
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 4: They beat it out your yard.

576
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:03,919
Speaker 1: You know.

577
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,119
Speaker 2: And that's why I'm so proud that I made it

578
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 2: and I was able to reward my mom with a house.

579
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 1: When I got to the league.

580
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 4: And said, this is the house I burnt. Mama did

581
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 4: for the one I burned down.

582
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 2: This is true story, man. I got relatives to this

583
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 2: day that I'll tell you this story. Man, I'm telling

584
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 2: you it's like and then so as a kid when

585
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:23,880
Speaker 2: I get back to the neighborhood. A year later, we

586
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 2: moved back in the house. I guess a year later

587
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:26,880
Speaker 2: we moved back.

588
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 1: In the house.

589
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 2: I'm going around the neighborhood. They're like arsen The older

590
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,439
Speaker 2: kids is calling me arsonists. I don't even know what

591
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 2: that is I have no clue what the arsonist is

592
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 2: at the age of eight, you know what I'm saying.

593
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,639
Speaker 2: So I'm like, why are they calling me that? You

594
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. I was like, damn. Then later

595
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 2: I found out, Oh you you know you said so

596
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,159
Speaker 2: fires he said, fire man. You didn't get that smokey

597
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,879
Speaker 2: the baron. Yes, don't play.

598
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:53,680
Speaker 4: With me, man.

599
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 1: Things happen for a reason. You know.

600
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 4: Did you ever try you ever try football?

601
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 5: Yeah? Was good at football?

602
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 4: You was good at what was it?

603
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:02,440
Speaker 5: Play?

604
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,679
Speaker 2: I was a quarterback and then I played d N. Also,

605
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 2: I started in football and baseball like no, but I

606
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 2: broke my leg. I was playing, uh with older kids.

607
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:14,639
Speaker 2: So I was like eight nine years old playing with

608
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 2: like thirteen fourteen year olds because I was a big kid.

609
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 2: Broke my leg and then I broke my leg again

610
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 2: when I turned twelve.

611
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 4: Okay, so I broke my.

612
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 2: Leg twice before I was even even a teenage heyo.

613
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 2: And so Mom's was like, you're gonna snatch your growth.

614
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 4: You can't play for Yeah, they thought you were gonna

615
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 4: break your growth.

616
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's the stories we got told. Don't lip

617
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,119
Speaker 2: weights and don't you broke some you can't play no more.

618
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 2: But I was originally football and baseball before I even

619
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 2: thought about basketball.

620
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:45,399
Speaker 4: Right, So so in high school, you turn it out,

621
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:49,639
Speaker 4: you go to the McDonald's All American Game. Yeah, and

622
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 4: you recently named one of the thirty five greatest McDonald's

623
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 4: All American players in the history of the game. So

624
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 4: what was it like?

625
00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 1: Okay, you finish up your senior year, you get the

626
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 1: car Paul, you're McDonald's All America. Obviously, if you played basketball,

627
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 1: there's no higher arnor or a high school basketball player.

628
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,880
Speaker 1: You missed the basketball in the state of California, and

629
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,640
Speaker 1: you get to invite McDonald's All America.

630
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 2: That was everything because I remember my sophomore year I

631
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 2: told everybody I want to be in that game. I

632
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 2: remember watching Jason Kidd in that game. When I was

633
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 2: I said, I'm playing that game. I'm telling one of

634
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,239
Speaker 2: my best friends and he was like, man, shut up.

635
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 2: I said, watch, I'm play in that game. That's when

636
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 2: my con started growing. And so when I got that invitation,

637
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,880
Speaker 2: I was like, man, this is it. This is the

638
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 2: top of the top.

639
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 1: Yes, you know what I'm saying.

640
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 2: And then I got kg there because the summer before

641
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 2: me and KG played together AU. He stayed at my house.

642
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,400
Speaker 2: Uh so me and KG history go way back.

643
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,360
Speaker 1: That ex Dad explained it now because I was one

644
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,880
Speaker 1: that's slay with damn how they I mean, they didn't

645
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: come out together. And then the researching, I'm like, okay,

646
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 1: they was in the McDonald's All American Gamefore I didn't

647
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 1: know the AAU story though. How many people know that

648
00:27:58,080 --> 00:27:58,879
Speaker 1: AAU story.

649
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 2: It's it's out there. So our AU coach flew Kevin

650
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 2: out the La Okay summer or eleventh grade going to

651
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 2: twelfth grade year, he was like, I got this kid,

652
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,159
Speaker 2: Paul Pierce, because then.

653
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 4: You have to read about cats. Yeah, you didn't know

654
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,160
Speaker 4: saw picture that you couldn't see. So he flew him out.

655
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 2: He actually stayed at my place for a whole week

656
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 2: and we practiced at Inglewood High School and we drove

657
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:23,880
Speaker 2: out to Vegas and we played in the tournament, won

658
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 2: the tournament. And so that year KG was in South Carolina,

659
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 2: was gonna move just getting out of South Carolina because

660
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:30,639
Speaker 2: he was dealing with some issues.

661
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:32,199
Speaker 4: Correct, So I was.

662
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 2: Trying to get him to move out to Ingwood. You

663
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 2: can stay with me. So he was filling either coming

664
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 2: out to Inglewood or going to Chicago. Wound up going

665
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 2: to Chicago, and and you know the rest is history.

666
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 2: Left out of high school and all that. But that's

667
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 2: when we started our relationship. The summer before.

668
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 1: I'm looking at that game KG Vince start of Stephi Maulberry.

669
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 4: You're like, okay, because Vince won the MVP.

670
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 1: Who won the All Star Game MVPD KG KG won,

671
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 1: Vince won the dunk contest. Yeah he embarrassed men, Now what.

672
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 4: High fly?

673
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 2: I know, and you know, and you know it's okay.

674
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 2: He said, I was so excited to be at the

675
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 2: McDonald's game. I participated in the three point contest dunk contest.

676
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 2: I just said, sorry, Yeah, I knew I had no

677
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 2: business being in that, but I was just like, sorry, up,

678
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 2: you missed six dunks, I know. And then I seen

679
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 2: Vince for the first time, and I was just like.

680
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 4: Wha, Yeah, he gonna win.

681
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 5: He gonna win a lot of these for years to come.

682
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 2: He could have won the NBA Dunk Contest as a

683
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 2: sayer in high school.

684
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: Because he was I mean, uc old footage and it's

685
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 1: headed at the real in high school. Man, That's what

686
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I just was happy to beat her, and

687
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: I want to participate. I'm trying to help me understand this.

688
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 1: A kid from California, Inglewood, California. How the hell you

689
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 1: end up in Lawrence, Kansas? Only drothy wanted to go

690
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 1: back home, right Kansas?

691
00:29:58,320 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 4: No beaches, yeap.

692
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 1: I ain't a whole lot of people that look like

693
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 1: you out there, not at all. And you like, yeah,

694
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 1: this wild need to go.

695
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 2: Hey that listen, when you grow up in the streets

696
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 2: out there, you seeing what's going on. I need to

697
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 2: get you try to get a far way. And I

698
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 2: came away from this and I'm not coming back. I'm

699
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 2: not I'm gonna come back for a week to see

700
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 2: my mama. You know it's crazy. I took my visit.

701
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 2: You said, like, you know, you know you can take

702
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 2: your visit party yuh us see us fun.

703
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 1: It's fun.

704
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 4: Colison as fun fun.

705
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 2: When I went to Kansas, there was nothing going on.

706
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 2: I was like, this is where I need to be focus,

707
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 2: locked in.

708
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 1: I ain't got to worry about because see if you

709
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 1: and U c l a UNC every week you go

710
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 1: be hands.

711
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 2: They gonna be like, hey, you want to go to

712
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 2: the game. They want to go back into the neighborhood.

713
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 2: I came out there. I was like, you know what,

714
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 2: this is just nothing going on out here. They got

715
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 2: a long John Silvers to eat. I'm cool with that.

716
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 2: You know, I'm coming here right. And that was it

717
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 2: because I was I was mature. I knew what I need,

718
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 2: you know, and I knew. I was like, man, I'm

719
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 2: I'm not coming back to the wood because it's too much, too.

720
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 4: Much going on.

721
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you look at Kansas players, where does Paul

722
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 1: Price rank himself. You got Wilt Chamberlain, and you got Embiid,

723
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: you got Wiggins, you got Danny Manning. I mean, you

724
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 1: got some great Kansas Jayhawk players.

725
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 5: I put myself in the taphive.

726
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say Wilt is the greatest player to ever

727
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 2: come out of Kansas. And then you know it's everything's

728
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 2: up for debate. You know, mb was the number one pick,

729
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 2: Wiggins was a number one pick.

730
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: You know.

731
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 2: But if we just talk about your Kansas career, yeah,

732
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 2: you know you gotta put.

733
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 1: Like Danny Manning, say, yeah, I remember Daddy in the Miracle.

734
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 4: Ain't no way he's supposed to one. Matthew Chapmans.

735
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 2: You gotta put Danny man and I never went to

736
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 2: a Final four. I was the first team All American

737
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 2: and I had some good statistics. But you know, it's

738
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,239
Speaker 2: guys that really had great college career. Mario Chalmers get

739
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 2: in there, National Championship, buy the most Standing Player or Twins.

740
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, Thomas Robinson, he was National Player of the Year.

741
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 2: I think, so we have some great players come out.

742
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 2: I put myself in the top five because of what

743
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 2: I was able to accomplish from college all the way through.

744
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 2: You look at at the end of the story, Oh.

745
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 4: Wait, well you number two. Will Yeah, I probably the

746
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 4: man day and the band days.

747
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 1: So now you come out, you have a great college career,

748
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: you come out in your draft, Vince Carter, you got

749
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,479
Speaker 1: Dirt no Bisky, you got Mike Bibby and Dwine, James

750
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: and Jason Williams used So if they were to redraft,

751
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 1: so you know what we know, we know now and

752
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: they redraft, where you're going in the draft.

753
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 2: I'll probably go number two. It'll probably be Dirk yeah,

754
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 2: and then me, yeah, yeah, I would say that. Uh,

755
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:57,719
Speaker 2: you redraft, then you probably go Vince yeah, Dirk me Vince.

756
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 1: Then uh, it's it's close.

757
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 2: From then, I mean, you could say Mike Bibbie or

758
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 2: Antoine Ja something like that.

759
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 5: Uh yeah, but that'll be the top three right there.

760
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 4: Do you believe he should have won Rookie of the Year?

761
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 1: Man?

762
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 2: As much as I was after the first month on one,

763
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 2: but then I sprained my ankle.

764
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 5: And let me tell you this story.

765
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 1: Share.

766
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 2: I was saying, my boy was living with me my

767
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 2: rookie year. He came out from the wood and he

768
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 2: was like, I was sprained my ankle. He came in like,

769
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 2: did you see what Vince did last night? I was like, man,

770
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 2: I don't care what Vince did, like because we come

771
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 2: pep from Rookie of the Year and I'm like, damn,

772
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 2: you know what he is killing all these dunks, And

773
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 2: so I couldn't. I couldn't deny what Vince was doing

774
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 2: this rookie year. He was crazy, man, he was going crazy.

775
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 2: I mean he was dunking on everybody.

776
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 4: Man. He got Zold, he got Rick's man, he got.

777
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 2: Everybody as a rookie too. I mean he's himself, He's

778
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:58,719
Speaker 2: coming out party. And I was just like I couldn't

779
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 2: deny that. So I deserve a second because I miss

780
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 2: because I was hurt and I was if I didn't

781
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 2: get hurt.

782
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 1: It's been a closer quo. Vest has heard that as

783
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 1: a rookie, What are someone tell you? Because I think

784
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: every league has what rookies have to go through. Some

785
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:20,240
Speaker 1: people call it hazing or initiation. You gotta bring donuts,

786
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 1: so you gotta get chicken or or for the flight.

787
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,240
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. It's a it's a ritual.

788
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,919
Speaker 1: It's an initiation that you know. I was like, man,

789
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 1: I can't wait to my I was like, I will

790
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:32,800
Speaker 1: make the team next year just because I want somebody

791
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: to bring me ish. Then I got to bring everybody else.

792
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 1: That's the sole reasons. So whatever, rookie, what do they have?

793
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 1: You do it?

794
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 2: You know you have to bring that care package to

795
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 2: the events. Should put it in the bag. Got to

796
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 2: go on the road. You know what that care package was.

797
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,760
Speaker 2: You know you're gonna have a little bit of everything.

798
00:34:54,960 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 4: Yeah you want hold on, man, y'all, put y'all put

799
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 4: me at risk. Yeah you're on, man, Come on that risk.

800
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:09,879
Speaker 5: You you played at the highest level.

801
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 2: You look at that care of package and put that

802
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 2: in the luggage when we get to the airplane day off.

803
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 2: And then I got to take the package back when

804
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 2: we lay whatever's left of the packets and dispose of it.

805
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: So you get this, you get drafted, You going to

806
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 1: the Boston Celtics. What were you thinking? Like, damn, where

807
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 1: did you want to go? Did you work out for

808
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: the Celtics.

809
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 2: I didn't work out for the scam, That's what I'm saying.

810
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 2: I was projected to go number two in the draft.

811
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 2: So the number one pick was the Clippers at the time,

812
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,800
Speaker 2: and number two is Vancouver. Vancouver had a need for

813
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 2: my position, but the Clippers did too, and so I

814
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 2: asked elgend Baylor let me work out again because I

815
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 2: wouldn't have mind caming home, coming home to the Clippers

816
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 2: my first year. Uh, they took all of a Candy

817
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 2: and then number two was Mike Bibbie. Three was right

818
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:06,399
Speaker 2: from the France. Then it was like Antoine Jamison, Vince

819
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,919
Speaker 2: Carter and you know the crazy part when they picked

820
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 2: Jason Williams White Chocolate. I didn't even know who that

821
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 2: was at the time. He went to Yes, but I

822
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 2: didn't even know who he was because apparently he went

823
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 2: to the floor. I didn't even know what college he went to.

824
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 2: Apparently he got suspended for something to play, and I

825
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 2: was just like I was sitting there, like who is that?

826
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 5: You know?

827
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 2: And then when Boston called me my name, I was

828
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 2: just like I didn't even work out for them, you know.

829
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 2: And then like a good friend of mine is Chauncey Billups.

830
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 2: I remember talking to him while he was in Boston

831
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 2: and he was telling me how I was like, I

832
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 2: was like, how the league is?

833
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 3: Man?

834
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 2: You know, this is before I got drafted, and he

835
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:47,439
Speaker 2: was like, man, you know, training camp was tough.

836
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 1: Dog. I got Ray Petino.

837
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,280
Speaker 2: He had like five or six of us on IVS

838
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 2: And I was like, what, like we running like y'all

839
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 2: run like that in the league. He was like yeah.

840
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,320
Speaker 2: So when he called when they called him, ain't Boston.

841
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:00,040
Speaker 2: That's all that.

842
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 4: That's all we going through.

843
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 5: He gonna kill us.

844
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 1: Oh man, he gonna kill us.

845
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,439
Speaker 2: It's gonna be on the IVY. So I'm going hard

846
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,280
Speaker 2: this summer like I ain't about to be on no IVY.

847
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 2: I didn't running in sales, but it was just it

848
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 2: was a shock. Truthfully, I didn't know whether to smile.

849
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 2: I was smiling, but I wasn't happy.

850
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,280
Speaker 1: Because you understand, Boston Celjans was one of the premier

851
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 1: franchises in basketball. Man at the time, you talk about

852
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 1: nickt you talk about the Lakers, you talk about the

853
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 1: Celtics and the Bulls. At the time, because Jordan had reinvigorated,

854
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: everybody was talking about the Bulls. So you go into

855
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 1: a story a historically great franchise although they had been

856
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:36,720
Speaker 1: on some lean years.

857
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 4: Did you look at like man, man, the history.

858
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 1: It's hard to say an NBA team got more history

859
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 1: than the Boston Celtics. All those championships, all those great

860
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: those great names, and those jersey retired.

861
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 4: You see six and thirty.

862
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: Two and thirty four, I mean, excuse me, thirty three,

863
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 1: and you got double zero, and you got cooling number retiring.

864
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 4: You know, all the the KC and Sam Jones.

865
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's crazy.

866
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 2: When I first got there, one of the first persons

867
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 2: I met with Red Allback, you know, because he throw

868
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 2: a charity golf tournament before the season, so I had

869
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 2: a chance to sit with him. He was like, Paul,

870
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 2: come here, and I look and I didn't think he

871
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 2: was talking to me. I didn't even think he knew

872
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 2: who I was. So I had a chance to sit

873
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 2: down with him. But then it was such a blessing, Shannon,

874
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 2: because think about this. I'm a kid from Los Angeles

875
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:28,839
Speaker 2: area going to the Boston Celtics. I'm really gonna find

876
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,720
Speaker 2: out who my friends are. You know what I'm saying.

877
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 2: You know, let me see who's rocking with me now?

878
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:37,839
Speaker 2: You know, because we as LA as a black kid,

879
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 2: we Hatedsted, we hated Boston. Ye I'm a Laker fan,

880
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,800
Speaker 2: and you know it was that whole magic bird black white.

881
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 2: That was a thing, you know what I'm saying. So

882
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 2: it was just like, let me see who the homies

883
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 2: is now. Yeah, but like I had a homie I

884
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 2: invited to the game. We played the Lakers man he

885
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 2: wore a whole Laker uniform, so me in the back.

886
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 1: You know my mom my mom didn't play that. Yeah,

887
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 1: she was like, who is this right?

888
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:11,839
Speaker 4: He with you?

889
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 2: You can't be we ain't doing that because my mama,

890
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 2: whole family gonna have my jersey off, you know, my

891
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,280
Speaker 2: sex yard old. He standing next to all the selfish

892
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 2: jersey with a Laker jersey. Yeah, with a Laker jersey.

893
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 2: This is all like, come on, I know we all

894
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 2: from LA, but it's time to switch up, y'all. See

895
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 2: you yeah, that's cool. Yeah, but like damn, you know,

896
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 2: so I found out who the real homies was fast.

897
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 1: You get that first check, obviously, all the things that

898
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 1: you like, I'm going to the NBA, I'm gonna be

899
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:44,280
Speaker 1: a professional athlete, and all the things that you wanted

900
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,919
Speaker 1: to be able to accomplish and you always wanted to do.

901
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: Now you have that opportunity when you got that first

902
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 1: million dollars. What's going through your mind? Man? It took

903
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: a while to get that million ship people think, because look,

904
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 1: let me tell you this. When I got drafted number ten, my.

905
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 2: Check for the year was a million, right, we had

906
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 2: a lockout, so cut that in half.

907
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 5: Ooh, so then it's five hundred thousand taxes.

908
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 4: Cut that in half.

909
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: Yeah. So really all I had was about like two hundred,

910
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 1: but you get it three percent, yep.

911
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 2: So knock that down. I needed me an apartment to

912
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 2: rent and probably three thousand that time in l A

913
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 2: two and Boston. So I just had, like you gotta have,

914
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 2: you gotta get around whimp man. When I tell you

915
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 2: I had about like my first year, I probably had

916
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 2: about like ten thousand left.

917
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 4: Were you able to get mom anything?

918
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 1: Man?

919
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 5: Mom's I hardly gave her anything.

920
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 1: At first.

921
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 2: I had to sign cards, you know, and I you know,

922
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 2: and I retired, and I was like, it's gonna come in, my.

923
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 1: Man.

924
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 5: I didn't even get her a house my first year.

925
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 1: Wow. No, I don't think I got her house till

926
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:03,359
Speaker 1: like my third year.

927
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 5: Right.

928
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 1: So, you know when you got that first big check, though,

929
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 1: when you looked at it, you resigned. You re up

930
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 1: and you're like, damn, man, this more money. I mean

931
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 1: when I was dreaming, I don't know if the money.

932
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:19,760
Speaker 1: I don't know if the check was this big even.

933
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:20,280
Speaker 4: To my dreams.

934
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 2: But now this is a reality, right. That's when Mom's

935
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 2: got that house. Were driving around Beverly Hills up in there. Yes,

936
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 2: you know, so I got her something nice. That was

937
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 2: that It was just so special for me to just

938
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 2: see the look on her face, you know.

939
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 1: And you know my mom all school.

940
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 2: I got her a Cadillac, right, you know she was

941
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 2: It was the new version of the Cadillac.

942
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 3: No.

943
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, because we were always dreaming, like, my mom, I

944
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 2: want that Cadillac, you dog. I was like, you know,

945
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 2: in the black, the Cadillac was like Ben's today. You

946
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. The Cadillac.

947
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 4: Was that black damn near save Cadillac, because that's all blacks. Guy.

948
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 1: They ain't getting on sad be able to BMW. They

949
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: wanted to Caddy Caddy all they wanted that that ill doll,

950
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:04,360
Speaker 1: that Coop Deville.

951
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:10,919
Speaker 5: That Coop Deville. Man, they want that long boy. Put

952
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 5: you in.

953
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 2: But it was the new body style at the time,

954
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 2: around late you know, early two thousands, because we grew

955
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 2: up looking at that long thing with the couch seats.

956
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, But I got her Cadillacs.

957
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 5: She was happy to get. You know.

958
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 2: She just wanted to get her good outfits to go

959
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 2: to church in and her Cadillac, get her nice hat.

960
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 2: Just to have mom looking like that in church. I

961
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 2: was like, man, you pulling there with a hat on, and.

962
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: With the hat on. Just to go in there with

963
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,359
Speaker 1: her sit next to her. That was everything for her.

964
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: Paul were talking a little bit this off off of

965
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:50,839
Speaker 1: camera about guys making so much money and do through.

966
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 1: Maybe it's a bad investment, maybe it's a divorce. Maybe

967
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 1: it's even if it's a kid. You had kids in

968
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 1: the marriage and you're not divorced. If you have kids

969
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 1: outside the marriage, you can imagine what it costs. I

970
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 1: mean private schools and you know all that other stuff, insurance, know,

971
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:10,839
Speaker 1: things like that, and guys going Billy up and now.

972
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:12,280
Speaker 4: It happens in a lot of sports.

973
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 1: But you know, football players, even though they're making great money,

974
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,839
Speaker 1: now them money is not guaranteed. Basketball players, you see

975
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: one hundred million, they're gonna get one hundred million dollars

976
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 1: minuster taxes, two hundred million, they're gonna get two hundred million,

977
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 1: minuster taxes three hundred. I think Luca can be the

978
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 1: first guy to make four hundred million and twenty eight.

979
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 1: Having been around and seeing guys like, how does a

980
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 1: guy lose that kind of money? Man?

981
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,839
Speaker 2: I think people don't understand, like because when people see

982
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 2: you saying, like today, the number is so ridiculously high,

983
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 2: it has to be hard to lose that.

984
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:44,359
Speaker 4: Yeah.

985
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 2: So like my maximum contract, my first contract was eighty million, right,

986
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 2: so let's cut that in.

987
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 1: That's forty forty thirty five percent for the age agent fee. Boom.

988
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 2: You talk about that, then you talk about your You

989
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:00,320
Speaker 2: want to get a house, Yeah, now I got a

990
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 2: big deal. I want to get a house now. So

991
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 2: I spent like four or five million on the house. Yes,

992
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 2: stay taxes on that. Now, I got you know, the

993
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 2: family on payroll.

994
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: Boom.

995
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 2: So now that's about another like half a million, which

996
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 2: every half a million costs you a million million, and

997
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 2: so it can go faster than you think, you know,

998
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 2: and then everybody ain't making my money, right, you know,

999
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 2: majority of the league is making lower than that.

1000
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 1: But here the problem that they're run into half the

1001
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: league ain't making your money, but that same half spending

1002
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 1: your money.

1003
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 2: Now you want now, yeah, right now, I want to

1004
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 2: go stunt at the club, have nice meal.

1005
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: Yet I want to go. I want to go to

1006
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 1: get that bottle service five thousand every time I go

1007
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:39,720
Speaker 1: out to the club.

1008
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 2: Man all right, now, shoot, oh damn, I got Let

1009
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 2: me take care of this girl over here.

1010
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 1: Let me throw her two thousand a month on rent.

1011
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:48,320
Speaker 1: It's my girl.

1012
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 2: You know, I don't want to live with me, but

1013
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 2: I'll make sure she You know that that.

1014
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 4: Get get a nice little car, get a little call.

1015
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 4: Get this my girl.

1016
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 2: You know, I got her a little something. That's my girl,

1017
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 2: and I don't want her, you know. So that's what.

1018
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:02,800
Speaker 4: About the homies.

1019
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:04,760
Speaker 1: You got, you flying the homies out, You got thrillful

1020
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 1: homie you bring them out. They first class, they stayed

1021
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:09,240
Speaker 1: at it. If they not stay with you, they're stayed

1022
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 1: at the hotel. You paying for everything, paying for everything,

1023
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 1: and they got that reflective shine, so they hey that's Paul.

1024
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 2: Pi Oh boy, yeah, yeah, that's me. Then you're gonna

1025
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 2: go on at least one trip one at least one

1026
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 2: when they got about four or five of them, and

1027
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 2: you paying for everything. We're going to where we're gonna

1028
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 2: stay at the rints?

1029
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 5: Well, what will pete? What's your room?

1030
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 4: Oh?

1031
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 2: I got to fit out sweet you right, I'm gonna

1032
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 2: get the rents. The regular rooms is eight hundred the

1033
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 2: night right, right.

1034
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 4: And you out there weak your room twenty five hundred.

1035
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 2: The night right man. And then you're constantly doing that

1036
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 2: right up. Man, people don't know if you ain't got

1037
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 2: them endorsements. I was worshing enough to have some endorsements,

1038
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:49,839
Speaker 2: so I used to use my endorsement. But I'm that

1039
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:52,359
Speaker 2: pay for that. Put my NBA money over here, right,

1040
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:53,320
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying.

1041
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 1: But like for the.

1042
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 2: Guys who ain't making max deals, Man, you look up

1043
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 2: after five six years, you look up and like, man,

1044
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 2: I'm checked the check.

1045
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, that happens a lot.

1046
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 1: It does and is gambling because you know, we were

1047
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 1: very competitive. We comparitive everything. Man, lets you let's shoot

1048
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 1: for five fulbum lets shoot for ten thouble, let's play,

1049
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 1: let's play bout ray, Let's play guts.

1050
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:19,439
Speaker 4: You know you're not fit for free.

1051
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:23,399
Speaker 2: The black culture is built around gambling when you got

1052
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 2: money and you successful. Yeah, you see it everywhere with us.

1053
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 2: You know, you see it in the music videos, shooting dice,

1054
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 2: you see the card games on the planes. Uh. You know,

1055
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 2: guys want to be you know, they want to impress

1056
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 2: their girls high road go to you know, and I

1057
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 2: was a victim of that. I was going gambling. You know, you.

1058
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 4: Did casino gambling.

1059
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 2: I was going to the casinos and stuff and doing

1060
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 2: all that black game. You played black jack. I played

1061
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:50,359
Speaker 2: black jack. Uh, and it's easy when the money rolling in.

1062
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:53,439
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. But I had a lot

1063
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 2: of examples around me to say, like, you know, you

1064
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 2: better slow down right like they losing money.

1065
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 1: You you can end up like this. You know.

1066
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 2: My teammate, you know, Antoine Walker, was a victim of gambling.

1067
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 1: And he told the story that you know, hey, story,

1068
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 1: I'm bringing all my homeboys I'm taking five ten homeboys

1069
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 1: with me. I'm gambling five ten, fifteen thousand a hand.

1070
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I never did that. My living is like

1071
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 2: three hundred a head. That's a lot.

1072
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 1: But see what happens there if you get around somebody

1073
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 1: that got that kind of money and they playing like that,

1074
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 1: you want to press feet? Yeah I seen that?

1075
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 4: Okay, nahin't I see that?

1076
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 1: I'm watching that. Damn.

1077
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 4: I like this.

1078
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:35,840
Speaker 2: Why, Like I had a chance to watch you know,

1079
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 2: Michael Jordan and Charles Barklin and them, and I was.

1080
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 1: Like, yes, he might might he might be trying to

1081
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 1: he know, he want to bed enough to make you uncomfortable. Bro,

1082
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:48,840
Speaker 1: I'm not going to lose my house fooling with you

1083
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:50,919
Speaker 1: trying to impress Nah.

1084
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 4: Hell nah? You know.

1085
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 2: And now you know what a lot of guys get

1086
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 2: caught up with taking the credit lines. Yeah you know

1087
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:58,399
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. So I don't take the credit.

1088
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:00,120
Speaker 4: So I bring once you got what?

1089
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 2: Once?

1090
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 4: You got what I came with.

1091
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:06,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm good, I'm good. This is this and this entertainment.

1092
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 1: You took this all right, I'm gonna.

1093
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 4: In Boston. You had a situation you got stabbed Nick back. Uh,

1094
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 4: you got hit over the head.

1095
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 1: Had you ever had any issues in Boston before that incident?

1096
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 2: I never had no issues before that. You know, I

1097
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 2: was in my third year. Yes, I have had no

1098
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:36,840
Speaker 2: problems in the streets. Wasn't nobody. I really believed that

1099
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 2: it was an isolated incident. And you know, I think

1100
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 2: egos got involved in Yes, okay, you know what I'm saying.

1101
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 2: And it shouldn't have happened. You know, it's a situation

1102
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,240
Speaker 2: to where I tell the story. You know, we played pool,

1103
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:55,800
Speaker 2: We ended up the pool game, went over to the club.

1104
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 4: You know.

1105
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:59,359
Speaker 2: It happened so fashion and it was so crazy because

1106
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 2: we literally just got there. It was me, the Tony Batt,

1107
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 2: Derrick Bat, maybe a few other guys, and it was

1108
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 2: just like, man, I'm young, I'm going to have a

1109
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:14,879
Speaker 2: talk to some girls or whatever. I mean, what I'm

1110
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 2: under league? Am I doing something wrong? No, I'm not

1111
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 2: doing nothing wrong. I want to meet some girls that's attractive.

1112
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 2: I'm you know, I'm young, successful and you know, and

1113
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 2: I get into a situation and it's it's still blurry,

1114
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 2: like I like, I don't remember completely because I was

1115
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 2: like I had a concussion from it and everything. But

1116
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 2: the only thing I really remember was three girls and

1117
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 2: one guy, you know, And it was just like a

1118
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:48,799
Speaker 2: situation where I wasn't disrespectful, you know. I never want

1119
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 2: to disrespect somebody that I in a situation of town.

1120
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 4: Where I don't know, you don't really know what's going on.

1121
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 2: But my fault where I messed up at was we

1122
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 2: walk in as a group and I tell off, I

1123
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 2: don't go to the section with them. I walked this

1124
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 2: way instead, like when you together, y'all supposed to stick together,

1125
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:12,919
Speaker 2: you know, And that's that's a lesson I heard learned.

1126
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 2: It was a hard lesson, you know, because if something escalated,

1127
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 2: at least if my guys was there, they could have

1128
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 2: de escalated it, and you know, I would they end

1129
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 2: up in that situation, and you know, it happened. It

1130
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:27,360
Speaker 2: was just like I guess, it went from talking to

1131
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 2: some girls to an argument pursuing and then next thing,

1132
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 2: you know, I'm feeling attacked. So I'm just like it

1133
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 2: was one guy. Man, it looked like one guy right here,

1134
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 2: but like after it was all said and done, it

1135
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:42,359
Speaker 2: was like three or four guys. And I'm a big dude,

1136
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. So you ain't gonna just

1137
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 2: take me down. And so you know the reports that

1138
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 2: came out from the people who was like, man, if

1139
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 2: you didn't fight for your life, you would have been dead.

1140
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 2: They was like you was fighting, but they was jumping

1141
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 2: on you and everything. But you were still fighting back

1142
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 2: and everything. And you know when three guys were three

1143
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 2: not three knives, Wow, you know what I'm saying. It

1144
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 2: wasn't just one.

1145
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:06,840
Speaker 5: It was like three. It was like based on the

1146
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 5: puncture wounds, it was three different knves.

1147
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 4: Wow.

1148
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:13,320
Speaker 5: So they all was boom boom, poking. And I'm just

1149
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 5: so blessed that, like damn, they said that.

1150
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:17,840
Speaker 1: You didn't have that leather coat on, it would have

1151
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 1: been much worse than what it was. You possibly could

1152
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 1: have lost your life.

1153
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:20,879
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1154
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:24,800
Speaker 2: I had a leather a tough leather averas jacket. I

1155
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:27,400
Speaker 2: wish I had a picture of it because it was shredded, right.

1156
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:29,840
Speaker 2: And then when I came out of all of it,

1157
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 2: I just remember the end of it. You know, I'm

1158
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 2: looking at myself like I'm like bloody. I just remember

1159
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 2: wiping the blood. I couldn't. It was like profusely bleeding profusely.

1160
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 2: And then they were just like damn, I need to

1161
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:46,280
Speaker 2: go to the hospital, you know, because it's small clothes

1162
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:49,320
Speaker 2: and soaked right and blood. And unfortunately I made it

1163
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 2: down the stairs because I got pulled into like a

1164
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 2: black room over here to go downstairs. And the hospital

1165
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 2: was literally one block away, like literally I could have

1166
00:51:58,000 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 2: walked there, but we drove there and got it. And

1167
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 2: if it, man, who knows if I if the hospital

1168
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 2: wasn't right there, I couldn't be sitting here talking to

1169
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:07,359
Speaker 2: you today. And you know that that right there really

1170
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 2: changed my life?

1171
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 4: It did it?

1172
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 1: Did it change where you go? Did it change how

1173
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 1: you moved? Did it change how you talk to people?

1174
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 1: Did it change how you assembled the women? You know, like, okay,

1175
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 1: you got somebody, because you got somebody.

1176
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 4: I don't want to hear this. I just broke up.

1177
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 1: Me and my man broke up last week, or you know,

1178
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 1: I'm getting a divorce but we still together. How did

1179
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 1: it change the way Paul Piers interacted moving forward?

1180
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 5: Man?

1181
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 2: It just changed, like like you said, a lot of it.

1182
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 2: It changed how I went out because after the incident,

1183
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 2: I didn't go out for a couple of years. Yeah,

1184
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 2: I could imagine. It took a couple of years. So

1185
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 2: we to step into a club again. You know, it

1186
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 2: just changed my whole mindset because I didn't realize how

1187
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 2: many people it affected. You know, I'm sitting in the

1188
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:58,800
Speaker 2: hospital and I'm seeing stacks of letters and I'm seeing, no,

1189
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 2: my mom's my brother.

1190
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 1: Mom word to death because your mom in the church.

1191
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 1: So he's a woman of faith.

1192
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,439
Speaker 5: Man, woman of faith, pray every day.

1193
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 2: Like and I'm just like, damn, I'm looking at how

1194
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,879
Speaker 2: it affected everybody around me, and it was just like, man,

1195
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 2: I put myself in a situation to where I affected

1196
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 2: all these people that loved me, and I was like,

1197
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,760
Speaker 2: I can't do that again. I can't do that again.

1198
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm too valuable to the family right now.

1199
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 2: You know, I'd have made it this far not to

1200
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 2: throw it away like this on some on some bullshit. Yep,

1201
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. I don't have to go

1202
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 2: to the club, like. You know, I came out here

1203
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 2: to hoop, you know, and I ain't even signed my

1204
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 2: deal yet. I ain't even got my big deal.

1205
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:46,399
Speaker 1: What am I doing?

1206
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 2: You know?

1207
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:50,360
Speaker 1: And I know you young and have fun and but

1208
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 1: but everybody, truth, I tell guys all the time, I said,

1209
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 1: there are a lot of guys that are excited and happy.

1210
00:53:57,760 --> 00:53:58,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, man, that's true.

1211
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 1: That's sharp, man, a man, how you doing, Matt love

1212
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 1: le broncos I love the Celtics. But there's another group

1213
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 1: that feels some type of way because of who you are.

1214
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 1: Oh you think you could talk to my lady?

1215
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 4: Oh you can? You know your lady choosing me? Bro.

1216
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 4: I didn't say anything, but it's that way.

1217
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 1: And so for me, that's one of the reasons why

1218
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 1: I was very very how I moved and how they

1219
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 1: really go out. And I only went out want this

1220
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 1: one teammate when I was in deavor. If he wasn't

1221
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:29,400
Speaker 1: going I wasn't going right. And we always we walked

1222
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 1: in together. We never left separate. When he walked in,

1223
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 1: I walked in. When I walked out, he walked out,

1224
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:40,320
Speaker 1: and I look, and I would tell the guys, you

1225
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 1: know a lot of times, because a lot of guys

1226
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:44,720
Speaker 1: do feel this way of truth is that they see somebody,

1227
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:47,440
Speaker 1: their football player, and they touching somebody.

1228
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 4: I said, bro, do that.

1229
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:51,319
Speaker 1: I said, you gotta understand a man gonna fight really

1230
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 1: really hard in front of his lady because he's not

1231
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:54,440
Speaker 1: gonna let you plunk it, right.

1232
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 4: I say, and you don't know what he got on it,

1233
00:54:57,640 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 4: so just let that go.

1234
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 1: Let it go a you know, at a situation man

1235
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 1: I had, Man, I about to fight my own teammate.

1236
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 4: He's like he's touching the girl. He's like, oh you

1237
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 4: got someone on your back. Oh he with you. I said,

1238
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:15,320
Speaker 4: We're not fit to do that, right. But you have

1239
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:17,920
Speaker 4: to understand, did you ever go back to that club again? No?

1240
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 1: Never again?

1241
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 2: You know, And if there was some advice that I

1242
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:24,840
Speaker 2: can give to the young professionals coming to the NBA

1243
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:27,759
Speaker 2: or coming to the NFL, whatever sports you play with

1244
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 2: you at a high level, I would say, like, you know,

1245
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 2: I was on a young team. I should have got

1246
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:35,359
Speaker 2: with a vet. Yes, you know right away, Like, man,

1247
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 2: you know, I want to go out with you. I

1248
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 2: want to kind of see how you how you move

1249
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 2: and everything, because I don't know how to move. I'm

1250
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:43,880
Speaker 2: still learning how to you know, make the money and

1251
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 2: what to do with it when I go out. I'm

1252
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 2: twenty one, twenty two years long. I don't know how

1253
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:51,759
Speaker 2: to move like that. Yeah, I'm not knowing that. Like

1254
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 2: maybe I should get a security guard or a table

1255
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:56,719
Speaker 2: and got them escort me in a certain different way,

1256
00:55:57,320 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 2: you know, and stay with the group, like you know

1257
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:01,759
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. So for the young players and the

1258
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:05,720
Speaker 2: young hoopers or whoever you are a successful black athlete

1259
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 2: who are in the line, like, you know, get with

1260
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 2: somebody who's been there, done that, who've been around for

1261
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 2: a minute though not no, four or five years, like

1262
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 2: somebody ten years in the game or something like understanding

1263
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 2: that understand like you gotta do it like and talk

1264
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:17,920
Speaker 2: to them, you know.

1265
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 5: So that's what I would say.

1266
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:23,359
Speaker 1: From that point on, did it change like the type

1267
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 1: of woman that you dated or the type of woman

1268
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 1: that you would like interested in because you know, sometimes

1269
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 1: you know, you like, we like what we like, but

1270
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 1: sometimes what we like get us in trouble through that. Yeah,

1271
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 1: but you can't go to the places where they're gonna

1272
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 1: be it. They ain't gonna be you know, I.

1273
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 2: Can't like, I know, I like what I like, but

1274
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 2: if she kicking there and I probably don't either like her,

1275
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 2: you know, but if she time problem, yeah exactly, And

1276
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 2: it's just like you never.

1277
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 4: Know, right you don't. You don't know, And that's why

1278
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:04,880
Speaker 4: you need to get with the bet because the they

1279
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 4: can pull your coat tail. Hey bro, I know she

1280
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 4: look good, but hey, she'd have been around blah blah

1281
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 4: blah blah.

1282
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 1: Blah, so forth and so so. Not put you in

1283
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 1: harm's way because you know how guys are. You get

1284
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 1: with somebody, they're gonna let you. They ain't gonna tell

1285
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:21,760
Speaker 1: you at first. They're gonna clown you. Yeah, they gotta

1286
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 1: get they're gonna clown you. I'm just telling you how

1287
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:26,920
Speaker 1: to be real. Have a bilter professional athlete and see

1288
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 1: young guys come in and see this young lady that

1289
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 1: has dated several guys on the team and maybe one

1290
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 1: of the nuggets. You know what I'm saying, But I

1291
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 1: don't know because I'm not out there like that. So

1292
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 1: I don't know until you bring around. And then when

1293
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 1: I see I'm like, bro, bro, what you doing? No man,

1294
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 1: I got a good girl. Yeah, no you don't.

1295
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 4: But at that point in time, no matter what I

1296
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 4: think of her or know what she's done, I gotta

1297
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 4: respect that man's choice because he chose her. Yeah, and

1298
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 4: the last thing I want to do is call friction

1299
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 4: between he and I.

1300
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 2: Right, but you can't let outside interference ruin the locker room.

1301
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 1: I done seen that, man, for absolutely, it's absolutely so.

1302
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 2: You gotta have their talk, you know, like, come on, man,

1303
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 2: it'll ruin the locker room if you go that route,

1304
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 2: you know. And I don't want to have to break

1305
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 2: the news to you later, you know, because I didn't

1306
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 2: see that having. But the bottom line, you just gotta

1307
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 2: be careful who you with, where you go, there is you,

1308
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 2: and what time you in and out.

1309
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 1: So you know, I never stay to the end. No, no, no, no,

1310
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 1: no no, they never stay to the end. I'm never

1311
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:46,439
Speaker 1: gonna hear last call. Now, you're not gonna be They're

1312
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 1: not gonna be putting the stools on the bar. All

1313
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 1: the lights come on so you can really see everybody

1314
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 1: before if you too late, if you stay too long,

1315
00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 1: if they're doing if they saying last call, if they

1316
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 1: putting the stools on, if the lights come on, you

1317
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 1: stayed too long.

1318
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 4: Bro Yep.

1319
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's a lesson to be learned. I'm happy

1320
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 2: that the lesson that I learned that I'm still here,

1321
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 2: that I can get in the game to the future and.

1322
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:13,760
Speaker 1: The young John. I'm not saying not to go out

1323
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:14,439
Speaker 1: and not have fun.

1324
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:16,919
Speaker 2: Enjoy it, you know what I'm saying, because it comes

1325
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 2: in golf, yes, but be careful and be smart.

1326
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 1: Be smart, Boston. We have a lot of different stories.

1327
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 1: I mean, mister Russell. Bill Russell wrote a book about

1328
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 1: what they did to him. He's the winnes.

1329
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 4: Sports I mean, eleven championships in thirteen seasons and everything

1330
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:40,920
Speaker 4: that he had done. He had fought for the civil rights.

1331
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 4: I think it was the sixty seventh summit that he

1332
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 4: was there and.

1333
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:46,920
Speaker 1: All those guys, and he did that. And I've heard

1334
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 1: a lot of people come from the outside and say, well,

1335
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:52,400
Speaker 1: the Red Sox fan and Boston fans, they yelled this,

1336
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 1: and they yelled that. I don't know if I've ever

1337
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 1: talked to a player that actually played for the Boston team,

1338
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 1: what is it like playing in Boston?

1339
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 4: Did you see any of the racism? Did you feel

1340
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 4: any any tension.

1341
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 2: I never had a chance to experience that shunning. I

1342
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:13,760
Speaker 2: think you know, as fans, sometime when opposite teams come in,

1343
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:15,920
Speaker 2: you feel like you feel a certain type of way,

1344
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:18,120
Speaker 2: feel a certain type of way. You know, Boston is

1345
01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 2: a sports city, and it's hate amongst our fans toward

1346
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 2: anybody else who ain't Boston. You know what I'm saying

1347
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:28,040
Speaker 2: that you might have a guy in there liquored up

1348
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 2: and you know, might get outside hisself and say the

1349
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:34,480
Speaker 2: N word or something or whatever. You know, it's probably

1350
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:37,640
Speaker 2: has happened. It's never happened to me, you know, being

1351
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:39,840
Speaker 2: that I was a player there, I was loved there

1352
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 2: in the city. You know, it's times I went to

1353
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:45,440
Speaker 2: the restaurant, got a stand in ovation, just like I mean,

1354
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:47,920
Speaker 2: it's a real sports town. But like, I've never felt

1355
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:50,680
Speaker 2: like the racism and you know, but you know, you

1356
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:53,440
Speaker 2: go back in the day. You know, a lot of

1357
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:56,120
Speaker 2: the Irish migrated to Boston and a lot of them

1358
01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:58,840
Speaker 2: was you know, racist, and so I'm sure there was

1359
01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:01,960
Speaker 2: a lot of parts of the city where you're still

1360
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 2: like that.

1361
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 5: I just never.

1362
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 4: Experienced, right, and you didn't go to those parts to

1363
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 4: try to figure it out if.

1364
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:08,960
Speaker 5: They was not an Irish pubs, right right, right, You

1365
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:09,920
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying.

1366
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 4: You're not going to Charlestown, You're not South Nah to.

1367
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:15,680
Speaker 1: Give them opportunity to get to it up and call

1368
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:15,920
Speaker 1: me in.

1369
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:22,480
Speaker 4: How tough was it you get to the Celtics. You

1370
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:24,440
Speaker 4: understand the tradition of the Celtics.

1371
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:28,680
Speaker 1: Sixties they won all the time, the seventies, they won,

1372
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:29,840
Speaker 1: the eighties, they won.

1373
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:32,960
Speaker 4: Now you get there and you guys are struggling. How

1374
01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:34,360
Speaker 4: tough was that to deal with?

1375
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:37,760
Speaker 1: Because, like you said, the Boston fans, they're used to

1376
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:40,480
Speaker 1: winning championships. They won eight in the sixties, and then

1377
01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:42,480
Speaker 1: they won what they want in the seventies, and they

1378
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:44,720
Speaker 1: won what they want in the eighties, and now you're

1379
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:47,320
Speaker 1: in the nineties, in the early two thousands, you guys

1380
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:48,560
Speaker 1: aren't winning championships.

1381
01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:53,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you understand. The support system is amazing from

1382
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:54,040
Speaker 2: the former players.

1383
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:56,200
Speaker 1: Yes, man, that kept my head up.

1384
01:01:56,400 --> 01:02:00,760
Speaker 2: Just Red Araback coming in town, going to dinner with him, him, like,

1385
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:03,240
Speaker 2: keep your head up, giving me a cigar. Bill Russell

1386
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:05,560
Speaker 2: going to dinner with him. You know what I'm saying.

1387
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:07,120
Speaker 2: Hanging out with Cedric Maxwell.

1388
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 5: You know they can.

1389
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:12,920
Speaker 4: You behating.

1390
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:14,919
Speaker 1: My man?

1391
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:18,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, great dude. Man, Man, that's that's like my

1392
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:23,280
Speaker 2: big brother. I used to tell him everything, and you know,

1393
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:25,600
Speaker 2: just having them around, just like, man, what do I

1394
01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:28,360
Speaker 2: gotta do? You know, I'm talking to Bill having dinners

1395
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:30,640
Speaker 2: with him, and just like, man, you just gotta stay

1396
01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:33,000
Speaker 2: on the path and everything. And you know, they kept

1397
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:36,160
Speaker 2: my sanity and not wanting to get traded or go

1398
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:38,960
Speaker 2: somewhere else, you know, just having those guys around.

1399
01:02:39,080 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 5: Jojo White, Yeah, yeah, you know, he lived there.

1400
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:45,520
Speaker 2: He was instrumental to me just keeping my sanity going

1401
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:48,080
Speaker 2: through all the losing years. It's just like the family

1402
01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:51,920
Speaker 2: of the Celtic culture kept everything together. And so you know,

1403
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:54,080
Speaker 2: that's what I try to bring now with this generation.

1404
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:56,160
Speaker 2: You know, I try to be there at the games

1405
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:59,640
Speaker 2: and go to practices and call Jason time and time

1406
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:04,080
Speaker 2: and see if they're good or you know. So you know,

1407
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:06,000
Speaker 2: I tried to just carry on what they was able

1408
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:06,520
Speaker 2: to do for me.

1409
01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:08,240
Speaker 4: Man, That's that's awesome.

1410
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:11,160
Speaker 1: Did you ever think in those years you got drafted

1411
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:14,200
Speaker 1: in ninety eight and then it was a long time

1412
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:15,600
Speaker 1: before you won that championship?

1413
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:17,919
Speaker 4: Did you ever think you was gonna win a ring? True?

1414
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:19,560
Speaker 1: Man?

1415
01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:22,080
Speaker 4: Cause you see Coch like damn Kobe is.

1416
01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:26,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you see the spurry with Tim Duncan and

1417
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:29,760
Speaker 1: and and Manu and Tony Parker, they'll win it.

1418
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:31,680
Speaker 2: Man, I'm gonna tell you, I didn't think it was

1419
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:34,360
Speaker 2: gonna happen. Share like this two thousand and six seventh

1420
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:39,600
Speaker 2: season when I broke my foot thirty games in, I believe,

1421
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:43,000
Speaker 2: and we lost eighteen games in a row. I was

1422
01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:46,200
Speaker 2: just like, damn, we farther off than I thought we was.

1423
01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:49,760
Speaker 2: We we more than one piece away. Yeah, So I

1424
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:51,120
Speaker 2: was like, I didn't think it would happen.

1425
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:51,400
Speaker 4: You know.

1426
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:58,919
Speaker 2: So I'm having meetings with ownership Danny Dog like, you know, man,

1427
01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:02,560
Speaker 2: this is the year Kevin Durant coming out. I'm telling

1428
01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:05,280
Speaker 2: you this, dude. We looking at Kevin like ooh, y'all

1429
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:07,520
Speaker 2: need to yell. When we got young Perkins, we got

1430
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:12,240
Speaker 2: young Al Jefferson, young Tony Allen. Then guys was out

1431
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:15,400
Speaker 2: of my range, you know for winning. You know, I

1432
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:16,640
Speaker 2: gotta wait for them to develop.

1433
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:17,280
Speaker 5: In four years.

1434
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:19,680
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be on my tenth year or twelfth year.

1435
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:22,040
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be like out of my prime or something.

1436
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:25,400
Speaker 2: So I didn't think it was gonna happen. But that

1437
01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:28,960
Speaker 2: was the That was the crossroads. That was the crossroads thing.

1438
01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:31,280
Speaker 2: It was like a blessings in the skies that I

1439
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:33,439
Speaker 2: broke my foot that we lost that minute games because

1440
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:35,200
Speaker 2: we was a meeting. We was at least middle of

1441
01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:37,720
Speaker 2: the road team would be healthy. We was like hovering

1442
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:40,600
Speaker 2: around five hundred. But when I broke my foot and

1443
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:42,439
Speaker 2: we was able to get that draft pick, that led

1444
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:44,840
Speaker 2: to Ray and Kevin. It was like a blessing in

1445
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:47,320
Speaker 2: the skies because I was ready to I was ready

1446
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:49,520
Speaker 2: to go wow, yep, it.

1447
01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:52,160
Speaker 1: Was because you was You was not good enough to

1448
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:54,400
Speaker 1: win the championship, but you wasn't bad enough to lose

1449
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:56,840
Speaker 1: the tank and get getting it, get the top three,

1450
01:04:56,960 --> 01:04:57,600
Speaker 1: top four feet.

1451
01:04:57,720 --> 01:05:00,200
Speaker 2: I'm on losing teams and I'm still ma in the

1452
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:04,560
Speaker 2: All Star Game. You know, every year losing teams, and

1453
01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:08,760
Speaker 2: that's hard to do on a losing team. Still they like, man,

1454
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:13,400
Speaker 2: yeah he's in, but we losing, and so I was

1455
01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:15,400
Speaker 2: just like, man, it ain't gonna happen. But that was

1456
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:18,280
Speaker 2: the crossroads of the summer to where we stay supposed

1457
01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:21,120
Speaker 2: to be favored to get the number one pick, the

1458
01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:24,200
Speaker 2: fifth pick. I had a watch party for the draft.

1459
01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, I'm thinking, like we get Kevin Duran.

1460
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:30,840
Speaker 2: I can stick around. This kid gonna turn a franchise around.

1461
01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:33,400
Speaker 2: I could see that we didn't get it. I was

1462
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:35,360
Speaker 2: I thought that was it. I thought I was out

1463
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:38,280
Speaker 2: of there. Then they maneuver got Ray. I was like, oh,

1464
01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:41,440
Speaker 2: hold on, they just traded for Ray. I know I'm

1465
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:44,360
Speaker 2: sticking around. You ain't gonna trade for older player to

1466
01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:48,480
Speaker 2: not have me, so we must be in rumors Kevin coming, y'all,

1467
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:50,760
Speaker 2: we're trying to get Kevin. Oh man, That's all I

1468
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:55,919
Speaker 2: ever wanted. Man, all I ever wanted was just a chance.

1469
01:05:56,880 --> 01:06:00,320
Speaker 2: Just give me a chance, you know, Like you look

1470
01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:03,440
Speaker 2: at the great players, like even look at Lebron.

1471
01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:06,160
Speaker 5: He needed Wade in Bosh. I don't care how.

1472
01:06:06,120 --> 01:06:09,240
Speaker 1: Great Lebron was, Helf, you ain't. It's tough to win

1473
01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:13,400
Speaker 1: by yr you need you can win, but winning a championship.

1474
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:15,800
Speaker 2: Win a championship, right, you could get you gotta have

1475
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:19,400
Speaker 2: another great player, you know. And so it was a

1476
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:21,760
Speaker 2: blessing in the skies and you know, the rest was history.

1477
01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:23,840
Speaker 4: Is it true that you demanded to be traded to

1478
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:24,360
Speaker 4: the Mavericks.

1479
01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:29,880
Speaker 2: I actually was in the club that summer and ran

1480
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:35,280
Speaker 2: in the Mark Cuban and dirt partying get to they section,

1481
01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:37,840
Speaker 2: and I was like telling my agent, I want to

1482
01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:41,040
Speaker 2: go play them because that year. Oh yes, so that

1483
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:44,480
Speaker 2: year they was a fifty win team. I think there

1484
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:46,440
Speaker 2: was the number one seed in the West and they

1485
01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:47,479
Speaker 2: lost the first round.

1486
01:06:47,560 --> 01:06:51,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I was just like this is perfects the Warriors. Yes,

1487
01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:53,640
Speaker 1: So I was like I thought it was lined up.

1488
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:56,600
Speaker 1: I was like, ooh, they primed. They can win it.

1489
01:06:56,840 --> 01:07:00,480
Speaker 2: They need if they get me because they already really yeah,

1490
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:03,480
Speaker 2: we can win it. So my mind was like, ooh,

1491
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:05,959
Speaker 2: I'm all dirty need Yeah. So I'm like I'm trying

1492
01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:08,040
Speaker 2: to line that up, like, oh, if I can get

1493
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:10,720
Speaker 2: to Dallas, they're already good, I can give them that

1494
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:11,880
Speaker 2: extra dog they need.

1495
01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:15,200
Speaker 1: But it didn't work out, and then the Celtics deal

1496
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:15,680
Speaker 1: what they did.

1497
01:07:17,160 --> 01:07:18,640
Speaker 4: Is it true that you and Kobe had a bet

1498
01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:19,720
Speaker 4: that who's gonna get traded for?

1499
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:20,160
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1500
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:20,520
Speaker 1: We did.

1501
01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:21,600
Speaker 5: Then how you know about that?

1502
01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:23,400
Speaker 4: He was?

1503
01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:27,480
Speaker 2: He was like, you playing pickup game and this is

1504
01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:30,160
Speaker 2: the same year we both garbage, we both in the lottery,

1505
01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:34,280
Speaker 2: were playing against each other. Then it was like the

1506
01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:36,640
Speaker 2: runs was over. So you know, he sit on the sideline.

1507
01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:39,520
Speaker 2: I was like, man, we we He was like, yeah,

1508
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:40,800
Speaker 2: I'm trying to get out of there. I think he

1509
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:43,120
Speaker 2: was talking about Chicago. Yeah, you almost got delt that

1510
01:07:43,160 --> 01:07:43,400
Speaker 2: you got.

1511
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:44,160
Speaker 5: I think he was talking.

1512
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:45,960
Speaker 2: That's how men was talking because we used to play

1513
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:48,280
Speaker 2: in the summer and he was like, man, I'm gonna

1514
01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:50,080
Speaker 2: give y'all. He's like, I'm out of here. I said,

1515
01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:51,840
Speaker 2: I'm out of there too, and then it was like,

1516
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:53,880
Speaker 2: I bet I'll get out of there before you. He

1517
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:55,840
Speaker 2: was like on the sideline, chopping and up like that

1518
01:07:55,880 --> 01:07:58,360
Speaker 2: because we were so bad the year before. And then

1519
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:00,360
Speaker 2: the crazy part about it that next year we in

1520
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:01,800
Speaker 2: a championship against each other.

1521
01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:05,200
Speaker 4: Ain't that crazy because that's what they got power? Right?

1522
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:05,640
Speaker 5: Yep?

1523
01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:06,360
Speaker 1: Yep?

1524
01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:10,000
Speaker 5: The summer before we both start we was out there

1525
01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:10,600
Speaker 5: out of there.

1526
01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:11,000
Speaker 4: Yep.

1527
01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:13,760
Speaker 1: Do you believe had they not gotten powered, had you

1528
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:16,120
Speaker 1: not got Ray and Ticket, you the left.

1529
01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:19,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was.

1530
01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:22,519
Speaker 2: It was the marriage would have been over. It was

1531
01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:24,559
Speaker 2: just too It would have been too frustrated. I wasn't

1532
01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:25,240
Speaker 2: gonna be happy.

1533
01:08:26,400 --> 01:08:27,840
Speaker 1: It was a would have got to the point to

1534
01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:30,960
Speaker 1: where I probably would have forced my way boiling over.

1535
01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:35,519
Speaker 1: But you get Ticket, you get Ray. How were you

1536
01:08:35,600 --> 01:08:38,280
Speaker 1: guys able to blend it? Because it normally it takes normally,

1537
01:08:38,360 --> 01:08:40,280
Speaker 1: it takes time for a team.

1538
01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:42,000
Speaker 4: You guys have never played together.

1539
01:08:42,479 --> 01:08:45,959
Speaker 1: Uh, maybe you played with Ray when he was in Milwaukee.

1540
01:08:46,040 --> 01:08:48,240
Speaker 1: Y'all was in the All Star Game together, but Ticket

1541
01:08:48,360 --> 01:08:50,040
Speaker 1: was always in the West. I know you had a

1542
01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:52,519
Speaker 1: relationship with Ticket when he was at the McDonald's All

1543
01:08:52,560 --> 01:08:55,120
Speaker 1: American Game, But you guys have never played together. How

1544
01:08:55,320 --> 01:08:57,800
Speaker 1: was Doc able to mess you guys, those a lot

1545
01:08:57,840 --> 01:08:59,960
Speaker 1: of big personalities. Now that you got to mess together,

1546
01:09:00,400 --> 01:09:01,720
Speaker 1: that's a lie. You got to break it to a

1547
01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:02,240
Speaker 1: locker room.

1548
01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:04,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll tell you one thing. Doc is great at that.

1549
01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:07,599
Speaker 2: Man, what Doc first did when they when we first

1550
01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:09,639
Speaker 2: did the press conference. Man, we went on the Doug

1551
01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:14,639
Speaker 2: Bowt ride, just us three. We went around the city

1552
01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:17,120
Speaker 2: and we was just talking to Doc like, how we

1553
01:09:17,240 --> 01:09:19,880
Speaker 2: gonna make this work? You know, because everybody it was

1554
01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:22,000
Speaker 2: a lot of speculation that I was gonna be the

1555
01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:25,120
Speaker 2: eye man, that I was gonna be the egotistic go one. Yeah,

1556
01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:27,839
Speaker 2: out of everybody, and Paul is he's gonna be selfish,

1557
01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:29,559
Speaker 2: he ain't gonna work with them. It was a lot

1558
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:31,640
Speaker 2: of a lot of people saying that I was just

1559
01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:36,000
Speaker 2: like all ever wanted was another opportunity, opportunity. But I

1560
01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:39,479
Speaker 2: will tell you, like Kevin, he was the lead dog

1561
01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:42,000
Speaker 2: and all this, you know, to be honest, because Kevin

1562
01:09:42,080 --> 01:09:46,040
Speaker 2: is the most selfless superstar ever in history.

1563
01:09:46,120 --> 01:09:49,080
Speaker 1: Wow. He came in and was just like, Paul, this

1564
01:09:49,280 --> 01:09:52,519
Speaker 1: is your team. I just hear the help. I was

1565
01:09:52,600 --> 01:09:54,719
Speaker 1: just like, damn, because I was thinking, like, man, Kevin

1566
01:09:54,840 --> 01:10:00,000
Speaker 1: is the manv.

1567
01:09:58,479 --> 01:10:00,720
Speaker 2: He just was like, pee this your squad. I just

1568
01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:04,599
Speaker 2: want to help win a championship. Man, I ain't trying

1569
01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:07,040
Speaker 2: to step on those toes. Everybody drop their egos at

1570
01:10:07,080 --> 01:10:09,840
Speaker 2: the door. But the thing is, we all have previous relationships,

1571
01:10:09,880 --> 01:10:12,320
Speaker 2: whether it's me with Kevin, Kevin with Ray, Kevin with

1572
01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:15,600
Speaker 2: both of us, and that whole summer we talked on

1573
01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:17,639
Speaker 2: the phone every day.

1574
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:22,280
Speaker 1: W called Kevin this book, Gray Boom. Man, let's get

1575
01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:23,760
Speaker 1: the Boston early. Man, We're gonna do this.

1576
01:10:24,439 --> 01:10:28,240
Speaker 2: Man, we was making We was making summer plans to

1577
01:10:28,360 --> 01:10:32,240
Speaker 2: win the championship the summer before. That's how we was talking. Say, Man,

1578
01:10:32,240 --> 01:10:33,800
Speaker 2: we're gonna win it together. And then we win it,

1579
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:36,960
Speaker 2: we're gonna go to Italy. That's the conversation.

1580
01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:40,000
Speaker 5: I'm telling you. We was already seen it.

1581
01:10:40,160 --> 01:10:42,880
Speaker 4: Yeah like that, man, we seen it.

1582
01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:44,479
Speaker 5: We was like, man, we're gonna win this.

1583
01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:47,640
Speaker 2: And of course everybody we on to cover every magazine

1584
01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:51,360
Speaker 2: I'm talking about people hated that. Oh man, the teams

1585
01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:53,559
Speaker 2: across the league like they ain't won nothing yet. Why

1586
01:10:53,680 --> 01:10:57,439
Speaker 2: y'all crowning it? But it just it was like the

1587
01:10:57,479 --> 01:11:00,800
Speaker 2: Holy Trinity. It just came together right away.

1588
01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:02,960
Speaker 1: So man, it was just.

1589
01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:06,760
Speaker 2: It was crazy. I couldn't believe when you look back

1590
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:08,920
Speaker 2: at it now, it do take time to come together.

1591
01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:12,120
Speaker 2: It came right together like day one. We got out

1592
01:11:12,160 --> 01:11:14,360
Speaker 2: the gate like seven and oh like came out left.

1593
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:16,800
Speaker 2: It didn't have no issues. You know what our first

1594
01:11:16,840 --> 01:11:20,360
Speaker 2: issue was the first round of the playoffs were like

1595
01:11:20,479 --> 01:11:22,439
Speaker 2: when we went to Game seven with the Hawks. That

1596
01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:26,080
Speaker 2: was our first adversity. We had no adversity throughout the

1597
01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:28,920
Speaker 2: whole year. We came out just smacking teams like out

1598
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:31,760
Speaker 2: the gate. First adversity was in the playoffs. That's when

1599
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:35,360
Speaker 2: we started learning more. Game seven, first round, second round,

1600
01:11:35,400 --> 01:11:39,280
Speaker 2: a Game seven again versus Lebron Like, man, we like,

1601
01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:40,120
Speaker 2: oh damn.

1602
01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:43,439
Speaker 4: So what you guys got past that? You like, we

1603
01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:44,360
Speaker 4: win the championship.

1604
01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:47,960
Speaker 2: Once we got past that, young bull, I was like,

1605
01:11:48,439 --> 01:11:50,760
Speaker 2: it was all downhill then. But then you think that

1606
01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:52,559
Speaker 2: like you get Detroit, but then you got to run

1607
01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:56,439
Speaker 2: into the bamba. That's why we tell people is hard

1608
01:11:56,520 --> 01:11:59,599
Speaker 2: to win. Yes, it's hard to win a chip, Shannon.

1609
01:11:59,680 --> 01:12:02,280
Speaker 1: You know, for sure, the hardest thing to do is

1610
01:12:02,360 --> 01:12:06,240
Speaker 1: win in professional sports and didn't win consistently because you

1611
01:12:06,280 --> 01:12:08,759
Speaker 1: didn't have a little success and sometimes a little success

1612
01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:11,200
Speaker 1: goes to people ahead because the hardest you know. I

1613
01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:16,960
Speaker 1: remember we won the first Super Bowl. Gary Kobe at

1614
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:19,360
Speaker 1: who was our offensive coordinator. He called me off. He'said

1615
01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:21,960
Speaker 1: eighty four. He say, you know what, congratulations, He congratulated

1616
01:12:22,040 --> 01:12:24,120
Speaker 1: his life. He said, you know, the hardest thing to do.

1617
01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:27,479
Speaker 1: He says, to repeat, said while you say that, cool,

1618
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:30,920
Speaker 1: he says, because everybody thinks they're the reason why they won.

1619
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:34,680
Speaker 1: He said, the people that cut the grass out there,

1620
01:12:35,160 --> 01:12:36,680
Speaker 1: the reason why you want is we got to look

1621
01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:38,960
Speaker 1: at who we cut that grass, the people the craft

1622
01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:41,800
Speaker 1: services that bring the food. It's them. It's the people

1623
01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:47,360
Speaker 1: that clean, it's them. Everybody thinks they're the reason why. Yes, yes,

1624
01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:49,320
Speaker 1: and that's not it.

1625
01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:52,760
Speaker 2: We saw that when our team, you know, and you

1626
01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:56,760
Speaker 2: see it like once you win it, people think they

1627
01:12:56,800 --> 01:13:00,439
Speaker 2: can do more. Yes, didn't do more before. You know

1628
01:13:00,479 --> 01:13:04,240
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like you saw that. We saw that too,

1629
01:13:04,240 --> 01:13:06,920
Speaker 2: because people wanted more of a role. Now yes, they

1630
01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:09,120
Speaker 2: went from like nah I want to no, I want

1631
01:13:09,160 --> 01:13:11,439
Speaker 2: to you know, I'm making the fries. I want to

1632
01:13:11,479 --> 01:13:14,800
Speaker 2: make the burgers. Now he like, nah, I don't want

1633
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:16,120
Speaker 2: to make no prime, I don want to be cash here.

1634
01:13:16,280 --> 01:13:17,040
Speaker 2: I don't need to be mad.

1635
01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:20,439
Speaker 4: They can't it on me right I want to be

1636
01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:21,840
Speaker 4: and who was at the cash here? Now?

1637
01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:24,720
Speaker 1: They want to be a manager right now? You like,

1638
01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:28,400
Speaker 1: come on, man, absolutely, this is why it worked. This

1639
01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:31,840
Speaker 1: is why this you know, this is why this system worked.

1640
01:13:31,880 --> 01:13:32,640
Speaker 1: Right he was doing that.

1641
01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:37,519
Speaker 4: The super team you guys were.

1642
01:13:37,680 --> 01:13:39,200
Speaker 1: People don't want to say it, but you guys were

1643
01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:42,479
Speaker 1: a super team because Ray was a parenial All Star

1644
01:13:42,600 --> 01:13:45,040
Speaker 1: for sure, Ticket was a perennial All Star and an MVP.

1645
01:13:45,479 --> 01:13:48,840
Speaker 1: You were a perennial All Star. I would I would

1646
01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:53,200
Speaker 1: consider that a super team. Did you consider it a

1647
01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:58,080
Speaker 1: super team at the time? The way we was.

1648
01:14:00,160 --> 01:14:03,439
Speaker 5: In these cities, in our hotels, it was packed outside like.

1649
01:14:07,200 --> 01:14:08,000
Speaker 4: We're a super league.

1650
01:14:08,200 --> 01:14:08,880
Speaker 5: Look that's what I do.

1651
01:14:09,240 --> 01:14:11,360
Speaker 2: I didn't know at first, but when we landed in

1652
01:14:11,439 --> 01:14:13,880
Speaker 2: certain cities that that crowd be out there in front

1653
01:14:13,880 --> 01:14:14,519
Speaker 2: of that hotel.

1654
01:14:15,080 --> 01:14:15,280
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1655
01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:19,760
Speaker 1: Super You know what. What what hurts me is that

1656
01:14:20,120 --> 01:14:23,439
Speaker 1: I'm old enough to remember is that seems like fans

1657
01:14:23,479 --> 01:14:26,320
Speaker 1: are okay, if a team put a super team together,

1658
01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:28,360
Speaker 1: they've always been super team.

1659
01:14:28,439 --> 01:14:30,760
Speaker 4: What the hell you think that eighty Lakers were? What

1660
01:14:30,920 --> 01:14:34,599
Speaker 4: do you think that eighty Celtics work? That was super teen.

1661
01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:37,280
Speaker 1: They took had Burn. I mean, think about it. Burn

1662
01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:41,160
Speaker 1: is a fifty anniversar routine. So is Kevin, Kevin McHale,

1663
01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:45,200
Speaker 1: and so is Robert Parry. They had Dennis Johnson, they

1664
01:14:45,280 --> 01:14:50,439
Speaker 1: had Tidy Archibald, they had Bill Walton. Look at look

1665
01:14:50,479 --> 01:14:56,519
Speaker 1: at the Lakers, Kareem, Magic, Worthy, Wilts, Bob McAdoo. I

1666
01:14:56,560 --> 01:14:58,840
Speaker 1: don't know if y'all notice anything, all those guys in

1667
01:14:58,920 --> 01:15:01,240
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. So they they were a super team.

1668
01:15:01,280 --> 01:15:03,720
Speaker 1: They've always been super team. Rich go back and look

1669
01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:06,799
Speaker 1: at the sixty Celtics. They had eleven Hall of Famers

1670
01:15:06,840 --> 01:15:10,679
Speaker 1: of thirteen guys. Look at the Lakers. So they've always

1671
01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:11,200
Speaker 1: been that.

1672
01:15:11,720 --> 01:15:14,560
Speaker 4: It's just that guys now have better relationships.

1673
01:15:14,840 --> 01:15:17,599
Speaker 1: They grew up like you. They played aau ball together.

1674
01:15:17,840 --> 01:15:20,479
Speaker 1: They're comfortable player. What Bird would have never wanted to

1675
01:15:20,479 --> 01:15:21,160
Speaker 1: play with Magic?

1676
01:15:21,439 --> 01:15:23,920
Speaker 4: What Bird didn't have a relationship since he was nine

1677
01:15:23,960 --> 01:15:25,120
Speaker 4: ten years old with Magic.

1678
01:15:25,800 --> 01:15:27,439
Speaker 1: So the only time they saw each other maybe was

1679
01:15:27,479 --> 01:15:30,320
Speaker 1: the McDonald's All America or once they got to the NBA.

1680
01:15:31,320 --> 01:15:33,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think the problem what people have with

1681
01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:38,040
Speaker 2: the super teams today or or whenever, you know, Kevin

1682
01:15:38,479 --> 01:15:41,280
Speaker 2: and Lebron It's how they came together, right, you know,

1683
01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:44,680
Speaker 2: like ours was manufactured. It wasn't like, hey, cav come

1684
01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:48,320
Speaker 2: play with me, Ray. You know, it was Danny maneuver

1685
01:15:48,439 --> 01:15:50,519
Speaker 2: in the trades and hopefully things happened.

1686
01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:51,760
Speaker 4: Everybody ain't got Danny age.

1687
01:15:52,120 --> 01:15:54,800
Speaker 2: They had to have the right pieces and all of that,

1688
01:15:55,040 --> 01:15:57,960
Speaker 2: and so I think people kind of frown upon, like

1689
01:15:58,200 --> 01:16:02,040
Speaker 2: you know, Bron going there and Durant going you know

1690
01:16:02,120 --> 01:16:04,120
Speaker 2: where he went. But you know, you got to have

1691
01:16:04,240 --> 01:16:05,280
Speaker 2: other great players to win.

1692
01:16:05,400 --> 01:16:08,240
Speaker 4: You got to you got to. Just think about it.

1693
01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:12,160
Speaker 1: The Lakers won the NBA title and got the number

1694
01:16:12,160 --> 01:16:15,320
Speaker 1: one pick in the draft. So just imagine if y'all

1695
01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:16,880
Speaker 1: have won the title and you get the next year,

1696
01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:18,960
Speaker 1: y'all get the number one pick in the draft they wanted.

1697
01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:22,000
Speaker 4: They won the NBA title and got James Worthy.

1698
01:16:22,240 --> 01:16:23,040
Speaker 5: How is that fair?

1699
01:16:23,400 --> 01:16:28,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, room, back then, Jerry Busten and read all back,

1700
01:16:28,439 --> 01:16:28,760
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1701
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:32,800
Speaker 4: They was running the league, huh, Because you know, back

1702
01:16:32,880 --> 01:16:37,080
Speaker 4: then you could like declare for the draft and then

1703
01:16:37,280 --> 01:16:40,599
Speaker 4: and go Larry Bird declared for the draft and went back. Yeah,

1704
01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:43,400
Speaker 4: So that's how I felt that kept the Celtics keptin's rights.

1705
01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:45,000
Speaker 4: So just think about it.

1706
01:16:45,800 --> 01:16:48,320
Speaker 1: But then nah, I'm going back to school, and they

1707
01:16:48,400 --> 01:16:51,960
Speaker 1: still got your rights, right, So it was and back then,

1708
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:54,200
Speaker 1: you know, they had territorial rights. So you come out,

1709
01:16:54,439 --> 01:16:56,240
Speaker 1: you was going to a city that was close by you.

1710
01:16:56,520 --> 01:16:58,760
Speaker 1: There's a lot of things that was that. If they

1711
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:01,800
Speaker 1: were to do that now, people lose their mind.

1712
01:17:02,439 --> 01:17:04,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, there doing some things now. There was some chests

1713
01:17:04,920 --> 01:17:07,519
Speaker 2: going on back then for sure. Yeah, and that's why

1714
01:17:07,560 --> 01:17:09,120
Speaker 2: the lead grew to what it grew into.

1715
01:17:10,160 --> 01:17:13,040
Speaker 1: This concludes the first half of my conversation. Part two

1716
01:17:13,160 --> 01:17:15,320
Speaker 1: is also posted and you can access it to whichever

1717
01:17:15,680 --> 01:17:18,840
Speaker 1: podcast platform you just listen to part one on. Just

1718
01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:21,760
Speaker 1: simply go back to Club Shay profile and I'll see

1719
01:17:21,800 --> 01:17:22,080
Speaker 1: you there.