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Speaker 1: coming to you on November eighteenth, this Tuesday evening at

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Speaker 1: We've made a lot of progress politically, and when I

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Speaker 2: Well, for my father, because you know, he grew up

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Speaker 1: And so when the French withdrew after dnbn Fool, they

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Speaker 2: What do you say they the French, The French did,

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Speaker 1: Why wouldn't they do it? I mean, you're making me

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Speaker 2: It's like, uh, working with the CIA is difficult because

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Speaker 2: They they did, And my father sort of sensed that

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Speaker 1: And funded by the Sea CIA were funded funded by.

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Speaker 2: The THEA paid through the US Air Force Air America

433
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Speaker 2: Air America.

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Speaker 1: For those of you that liked to do a little

435
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Speaker 1: bit of historical research, you go look up Air America

436
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:29,359
Speaker 1: and you're going to find out that things are not

437
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,880
Speaker 1: always as they seem to be. But going along with this,

438
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:37,640
Speaker 1: so the monk found themselves caught in a game. Uh

439
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,440
Speaker 1: they didn't understand all the players. They couldn't see because

440
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:44,199
Speaker 1: the water was muddy, right, But they were fighting an

441
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,680
Speaker 1: implacable foe, and they hated each other. I think there

442
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 1: was true hatred going on here. I mean, this was

443
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Speaker 1: serious combat, wasn't it. It was? And a very significant portion

444
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Speaker 1: of that gorilla army gave their lives in that war.

445
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Speaker 2: We lost about thirty five thousand people. That was about

446
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:09,360
Speaker 2: ten percent of our total population Laos. So if you,

447
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 2: you know, extrapolate that to Americans, you know that you'd

448
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 2: talk millions of soldiers lost if you lost ten percent

449
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 2: of your population.

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Speaker 1: And the mon acquitted themselves fantastically on the field of battle.

451
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Speaker 1: As I remember.

452
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Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely, the Mong kept seventy thousand of the top

453
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Speaker 2: North Vietnamese troops inside Laos from nineteen sixty to nineteen

454
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Speaker 2: seventy five in the virtual standstill and fighting. He was

455
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Speaker 2: back and forth.

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Speaker 1: But my memory, you know, I was alive during this time, Okay,

457
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Speaker 1: I mean I was a witness to this. Did President

458
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Speaker 1: Nixon secretly bomb Louse? Wasn't there some city? Was it

459
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Speaker 1: Cambodia or Lows? I can't remember, but I think our

460
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Speaker 1: US government because you know, it had a limited in

461
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Speaker 1: those days. In those days, Tanner, there was a little

462
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 1: bit more rule of law, like when there was a war,

463
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 1: it had an objective, and you know there was some limits,

464
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Speaker 1: some guardrails. And then I remember Nixon secretly bombed was

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Speaker 1: it Cambodia or was it Laos?

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Speaker 2: It was Cambodia, Laos. They publicly bomb Laus, okay, although

467
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 2: they weren't supposed to be on that. And and the

468
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 2: reason why they called the Secret War because of you know,

469
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Speaker 2: all this.

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Speaker 1: War, this war that your people were involved in, it's

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Speaker 1: called historically the Secret War, the Secret War of which

472
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 1: your father was the head of the Gorilla units that

473
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 1: were funded by the US government through the CIA through

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Speaker 1: its Air America subsidiary. Do it?

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Speaker 2: Does that correct? That's correct? And and and you know

476
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Speaker 2: what they called Laos, They called it the land of Oz,

477
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 2: the land of Oz, the land of because so many

478
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 2: weird things happened there, even though the world knew about.

479
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 2: For instance, the Commnist forces and the low and the

480
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 2: Free forces all lived in the capital. In the morning,

481
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,719
Speaker 2: they went shopping at the open market ten o'clock, they

482
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 2: started shooting at each other. That's how weird that that

483
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 2: conflict was.

484
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Speaker 1: Were the communities intermarried or were they separated?

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Speaker 2: They were intermarried, because you gotta understand, Laos was a monarchy,

486
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 2: and the crust of the conflict was there was a

487
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 2: pro Western prince and then there was a commonest prince

488
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,360
Speaker 2: called the Red Prince, and that's what started the whole thing.

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Speaker 1: Inside laws, there was a white prince and a Red

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Speaker 1: prince more or less, yeah, more or less, yeah, White

491
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Speaker 1: and red, and they were brothers, they're related, okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: And so they had their own battle going on for

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Speaker 1: control of the Laotian government.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 1: And then the mon were there. And how did the

496
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Speaker 1: mok relate to the Laotian government.

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Speaker 2: Well, the moment didn't really relate directly to Laotian government.

498
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 2: The moment had always been a fierce fighting for up north,

499
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 2: but they were mostly different bands. But my father was

500
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Speaker 2: the glue that brought all the clans. We have eighteen

501
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 2: different clans, so my father was the glue that brought

502
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 2: all the clans together to be an armed force. And

503
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 2: the French knew that. And then when the French were

504
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 2: driven out, the United States came in and the United

505
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 2: States asked the French for advice, who can we work

506
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 2: with if we want to do something inside Laus and

507
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,479
Speaker 2: they pointed at my father, Bang Powell.

508
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Speaker 1: And so when was your father's first trip to the

509
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Speaker 1: United States?

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Speaker 2: He met the first CIA operative Bill Air in early sixties,

511
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Speaker 2: and I think it was toward the mid sixties that

512
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 2: he or the other sixty five or sixty seven that

513
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 2: he made his first trip. Okay, yep. So he's met

514
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 2: with you know, Nixon, he's met with Johnson, and back

515
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 2: then there was only two or three real generals in

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Speaker 2: Southeast Asia, and he was one in Vietnam. It was

517
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Speaker 2: not hold you in it with a general job. And

518
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 2: then my my father in laws and uh in Cambodia.

519
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 2: I forget that Cambodia in general, but those were the

520
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 2: main actors militarily.

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Speaker 1: So the United States do we say they lost that war?

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Speaker 1: I mean, what do you say about I mean, as

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Speaker 1: a as a as a family member, clan leader, whose

524
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 1: people had to leave. Did the United States lose that war?

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Speaker 2: This is the way my father told him. For the

526
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 2: people that are looking from the outside and that don't understand,

527
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 2: you know, military warfare or politics, the United States lost

528
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 2: the war because they left. But for the people that

529
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 2: really understand how the world works, whether it's through politics

530
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 2: or militarily, the United States decided to lose the short

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Speaker 2: game for long term gains because, like my father said,

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Speaker 2: if the United States took it, no, they could do

533
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 2: it in day or a week, let's say week, Bomb

534
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 2: the hell out of Hanoi, and you know, the North

535
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 2: needs would give up. But if the United States took

536
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Speaker 2: out Hanoi, kicked out communism, where would the new line

537
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 2: of communism be. It would be the southern Chinese border.

538
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 2: And it's not the Layocean in the in the pro

539
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 2: democracy Vietnamese forces that are going to protect that border.

540
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 2: The United States would have to be there to protected.

541
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Speaker 1: So just like Korea, what you're what you're saying, what

542
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: what this is evoking in me is which is a

543
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: little strange with this Ukraine war. I mean, but what

544
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: you're saying is is that there's been proxy wars fought

545
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 1: since World War Two, avoiding the real conflict. Correct, And

546
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 1: then the real players, the ones that make the water

547
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: murky pour resources in demand, tribute, operate things with strings, right,

548
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 1: and these wars go on with no solution, no end.

549
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 1: Thirty five thousand people died in your community. And it

550
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 1: sounds to me and you correct, maybe you don't want

551
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 1: to say it, but it sounds to me very.

552
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 2: Like a script.

553
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I've never really connected it in my head

554
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: because this was very close to the n of World

555
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: War Two. So my generation of Americans we viewed America

556
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 1: as with whatever we did, top notch, whatever we did,

557
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: we're the good and the truth. What we used to

558
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: say it was you ever heard mom apple Pie and Chevrolet? No, okay, see.

559
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 2: He's really young's tether. You don't get out, You very

560
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 2: get out more.

561
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: No, Mom apple Pie and Chevrolet. We grow up really

562
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: in the profound sense of self righteousness. But I see

563
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: in this conflict now, the way you're describing it, it's

564
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: very similar to what's happened in the Middle East, and

565
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 1: it's very similar to what's happening in the Ukraine, where

566
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 1: a lot of people get killed and a lot of

567
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: money gets made, and there's all kinds of things that

568
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 1: are going on moving the puzzle pieces around, which nobody

569
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 1: really understands.

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00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 2: David, it's the same scenario, but different years, in different generations.

571
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 2: And I'll give you another piece too, so you can

572
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 2: see how this whole thing worked out. In nineteen seventy two,

573
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 2: Richard Nixon secretly went to China. I went to China secretly.

574
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 2: I remember it, YEP. That was mal dumbshell, pickyep. And

575
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 2: then after he came back from that trip, supplies were

576
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 2: not coming in. My father would call in bombing raids.

577
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 2: All of a sudden, planes were breaking down. Whether it

578
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 2: was bad, it wasn't the same fight before. And my

579
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 2: father consentsed that things are changing. They cut a deal,

580
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 2: and so hindsighted twenty twenty so after we lost the war,

581
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 2: we figured out he cut a deal, whatever that deal was,

582
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 2: with the Chinese, to pull them away from the Soviet Union,

583
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 2: conquering divide. We were just small ponds in that game.

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Speaker 1: And then your relatives are sitting there at war, and

585
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the previous support is withdrawn pawns

586
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 1: in the game, right, Okay, what happens next? What happens

587
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: next is Henry Christinger is in Paris. I think it

588
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:38,359
Speaker 1: was Lee doc To. They were negotiating a and this

589
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 1: peace talk took years. They kept meeting and meeting and

590
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 1: meeting because I think what was happening is what they

591
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 1: were really doing is working out the terms with the

592
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:51,280
Speaker 1: Chinese exactly, And so we were all focused in Paris.

593
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 1: That was a diversion. It was the behind the scenes

594
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: thing that was going on exactly. And your people are

595
00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:00,240
Speaker 1: bleeding out, being killed in mass numbers.

596
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 2: In the South. Vietnamese also, and.

597
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 1: The war ends right, cease fire's right?

598
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 2: Yep?

599
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 1: Okay, Now you can tell, because Tanner doesn't know this history,

600
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,479
Speaker 1: how many Vietnamese people are living in Minnesota.

601
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 2: In Minnesota, I think the Vietnamese are around forty to

602
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 2: fifty thousand.

603
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,439
Speaker 1: So the Monk community is much larger.

604
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 2: Yeah up here, oh, but nationwide the Vietnamese are a

605
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 2: couple of million.

606
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: So these two communities, the South Vietnamese in the Mong community,

607
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 1: which had been allied with the United States. Right, no

608
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 1: longer important in the game, right, chips to be dealt out? Yep,

609
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 1: there's a new game. Okay, we're moving on from Southeast Asia.

610
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: What happens to these communities? Well, Southeast let me just

611
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: comment on what you were talking about. Chips that have

612
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 1: no more value and this what's coming directly from the XCIA.

613
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 2: A director of Bill co. He was a personal friend

614
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:01,840
Speaker 2: of my dad.

615
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: Bill Cob. He disappeared in Montana, didn't.

616
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 2: He He died supposedly kayaking, Yeah, supposedly, Yeah, well disappeared. Well,

617
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 2: we weren't there, so we don't know. Yeah, nobody knows. Yeah.

618
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 1: So he was very involved in all kinds of.

619
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Speaker 2: Especially with ye especially you know, in Laus and he

620
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 2: had a personal relationship with my father. He was a

621
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 2: very good man. My dad liked him a lot. But

622
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:32,280
Speaker 2: he visit us in Orange County and this was probably

623
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Speaker 2: in the eighties and I still remember him tell me

624
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 2: this and at times, you know, I had to think

625
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,359
Speaker 2: about it. A couple of times. He said, hey, jod,

626
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 2: just remember one thing. If you don't remember anything about

627
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 2: you know, the US politics. To be a enemy of

628
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 2: the United States can be dangerous, but to be a

629
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 2: friend of the United States can be deadly. I had

630
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 2: to think about that a couple of times, like, what

631
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,919
Speaker 2: the heck? You know, if you're friends with the dates,

632
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 2: how can be deadly? And if your enemy, how can

633
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:56,720
Speaker 2: you know it be dangerous?

634
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 1: I'm going to respond to that. Just give me a sidebark.

635
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: This is because the people that run the country, because

636
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: we the citizens, are not involved, it's more danger It's

637
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: deadly to be a friend of the net, which means

638
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: we use people exactly. That's what it means. That's means,

639
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 1: and I, as an American citizen, want to end that. Now.

640
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 1: I recognize I'm just one guy in front of a mic. Here.

641
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:27,320
Speaker 1: What's the date, November eighteenth, Tener. Yes, we're just talking

642
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 1: to American citizens. But you know, if millions of us

643
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 1: understood that there are people that run this government that

644
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: will use millions of people like pawns and sacrifice their communities,

645
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 1: you know that's not all of us here. I mean,

646
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 1: we don't. We don't understand that in America, that the

647
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 1: blood is on everybody's hands. And to change that requires

648
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 1: a change of consciousness amongst the people I was just

649
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 1: looking in the Federal Register today. Register every day of

650
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 1: the US government prints everything that's not secret that it

651
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 1: did yesterday. And they printed up the arm sales over

652
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 1: the last month because you know the government was closed down,

653
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 1: so the Federal Register. Oh my, I'm gonna play this

654
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 1: a week from Tuesday when I get my next solo podcasts.

655
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 1: They sold so many arms around the world. I'm talking

656
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 1: about billions and billions and billions. That's the backbone of

657
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 1: our economy, of course. But what we don't understand is

658
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: there going to kill people with those weapons. Okay, a

659
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:39,439
Speaker 1: righteous war, I'm okay with the warrior. A righteous war,

660
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:45,399
Speaker 1: let's get it done. Righteous means principle. Sometimes you gotta

661
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:50,800
Speaker 1: fight right, You're absolutely right, But to fight and be used.

662
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 1: Tell me how it feels, and tell me what happened,

663
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 1: What happened after that war, what was the result when

664
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,959
Speaker 1: the using was over? And to cut you all loose

665
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: and you're on your.

666
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 2: Own, I'll tell you this. And I came over here

667
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 2: in sixty nine. My father was a visionary and he said,

668
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 2: you know, we're gonna win this thing, because he believed

669
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 2: the United States was gonna you know, and at the

670
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 2: end went out militarily, so he sent a couple of

671
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 2: us over to be educated in sixty nine in preparation

672
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 2: of ay, after we went it, we need people to

673
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 2: come back that has some intelligence and education and rebuilt. Yeah, yeah,

674
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 2: and rebuilt. So that was his being the visionary he

675
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 2: was playing I had and even during the war he

676
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,720
Speaker 2: was a building hospital, teaching people how to farm, building

677
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,760
Speaker 2: roads to connect all the villages for communications, saying radio

678
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 2: stations to communicate. So he was building the infrastructure, but

679
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 2: he didn't see the end game that was being played on.

680
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 1: Well, they were telling him something completely different. Yeah, they

681
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 1: lied to him. Yeah, I mean basically, I'm sorry. I

682
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 1: can say things. I'm not asking you to say it. No, no,

683
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 1: but when I hear a story like this, it actually

684
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:00,040
Speaker 1: not easy to hear. No.

685
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 2: But so I I give you more information laying around

686
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 2: for what I'm going to say. My father felt betrayed,

687
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:13,240
Speaker 2: number one, not betrayed by the people that he fought

688
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 2: side by side with the soldiers, because those guys wanted

689
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 2: to win and they didn't know what the you know,

690
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 2: politicians and guys way up there were doing either. They

691
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 2: were just falling orders. But then you know, when things

692
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 2: turned south and you know, bullets weren't coming, food was

693
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 2: you know, running out, and medical supplies were being lost

694
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 2: or whatever, and he could see the riding on the wall.

695
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 2: So they felt betrayed. But like my dad said, what

696
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:42,439
Speaker 2: can you do. He's only one guy. He's only got

697
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 2: you know, sixty thousand troops dependent on you know, the

698
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 2: hand that for lack of better words, that feeds you

699
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 2: to survive. So you just gotta do what you can

700
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 2: and see what the opportunities are to get out of

701
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 2: this thing the best you can.

702
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 1: And what year was this? Uh?

703
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 2: Well, the war ended in seventy five, okay, so starting

704
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 2: from probably, my dad said, starting from probably, you know,

705
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 2: late seventy three, things were starting to the wall to speak,

706
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 2: so it was starting to drag out. So my dad

707
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 2: didn't tell anybody that, but he was preparing for that

708
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 2: himself without talking to his CIA advisors. I'm going to

709
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 2: do what's best for my people. If I'm not going

710
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 2: to tell you guys, because I don't know if I

711
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 2: can trust you guys. Trust you, yeah, yeah, so you know,

712
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 2: I'll shake my head and you know for whatever you say,

713
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,320
Speaker 2: say to me, order me to do. But I'm planning

714
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 2: my own stuff to help my people. So he felt betrayed,

715
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 2: and then he felt gravely sad because it's sad that,

716
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 2: you know, so many people died. Plan didn't work out

717
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 2: the way it was and it was all political, and

718
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 2: and he knew a long time ago that there was

719
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 2: too much politics involved because he was talking to a

720
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 2: lot of the Air Force guys that were flying sorties

721
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 2: into Hanois and they were telling him that, hey, general,

722
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,919
Speaker 2: our orders are this. We can fly in there full

723
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 2: or missiles and all that and bombs. We can only

724
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 2: hit targets that were allowed to hit, and if we're

725
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 2: not fired on first, we can't return fire. So my

726
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 2: dad was thinking, what the hell's kind of combat mission

727
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 2: of that? If you can't fire on the enemy. No,

728
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 2: those are the rules, that's what theyage. Yeah. Yeah, so

729
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 2: you know, when my father's starting to hear all this

730
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 2: other bs, like he said, then he knew that there's

731
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 2: something else going on. But like we were talking about,

732
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 2: he was only upon and he was on the chessboard already.

733
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 2: There's no getting off the chessboard unless you get eliminated.

734
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 2: Yeah there is a way out, Yeah, there is a

735
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 2: way out, but that wasn't a good way either, and

736
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 2: it went to help the people. Yeah. I think there

737
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,919
Speaker 2: was like at least four or five assassination attempts, one

738
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 2: for my father because he was a field general. You

739
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 2: take out the field general, there's not much left of

740
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 2: the army. Yeah. In fact, one time he and his

741
00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 2: soldiers were in a battle and they wiped out most

742
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 2: of the North Vietnamese troops there, and he was climbing

743
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 2: back up reaching. He liked to sit in the cold

744
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 2: pilot seat in the helicopters, so he always likes to

745
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,399
Speaker 2: fly up front. So he was reaching up to pull

746
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 2: himself up, and one Vietnamese soldier wasn't dead and he

747
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 2: shot my father. The bullet went through his armpit out

748
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 2: near his throat. Almost died. They thought he was gonna die.

749
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 2: They couldn't fix him in Thailand, so they flew him

750
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 2: to the military hospital in Honolulu. Wow, and so I

751
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 2: talked about field general in importance. The Vietnamese didn't know

752
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 2: that my father was injured. So the United States told

753
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 2: the Vitan hey, let's calm down, let's talk a little bit,

754
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 2: you know, let's figure this thing out. They didn't know

755
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 2: my father was injured, but the US didn't have a

756
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 2: field general, so they had to you know, play political

757
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 2: games and try to draw the Vietnamese back that they

758
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:57,800
Speaker 2: have some negotiations, give my father time to get healed

759
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 2: and at least know that he was guts survived.

760
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 1: Did he heal up, and did he have any post problems?

761
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:11,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna tell you that. The only they

762
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 2: had two soldiers one was black and one was Caucasian

763
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 2: that was watching him. You can imagine, you know, the

764
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 2: field general for the military Operation Lous being in the hospital,

765
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 2: you know, high security, so they couldn't find someone that

766
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 2: had blood that could donate to my father. But the

767
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 2: black marine there had all positive blood, so he don'tate

768
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 2: his blood to my father. After my father got that

769
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 2: blood transfusion, he couldn't eat red pepper anymore. He had

770
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 2: the allergy to it and he started growing here. Okay, yeah,

771
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 2: so that was the funny side effective. But so that

772
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 2: was only you know ailment that remains.

773
00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 1: Other than not having hot peppers anymore, he was okay, yeah, okay,

774
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 1: and he couldn't eat the hard people. People don't understand

775
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,280
Speaker 1: how much people in this region like hot food.

776
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 2: Oh you know, most people say, I die without you know,

777
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:09,760
Speaker 2: if I couldn't eat the spice.

778
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 1: Yes, I get it. I've been Yeah, I have to

779
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 1: say myself, I'm a fisionado of Southeast Asian hot and

780
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:19,320
Speaker 1: spicy food.

781
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 2: I like it. I do like it. You will fit

782
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 2: in perfectly with them on then.

783
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 1: Maybe I can have a meal with yourself. Well, we

784
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 1: will do that. I would love to do. I started

785
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 1: to invite myself, but I'm having such a good time

786
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 1: here in this history. It's an oral history, and I

787
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 1: want to say to everybody. You know, we got all

788
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 1: these PhDs writing books. Then they write books, and we go, okay,

789
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 1: these PhDs, well they're they're neutral, they're scholars, you know

790
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 1: what they're not. They get a perspective and then a

791
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 1: lot of time there's perspective comes from their teacher and

792
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:52,839
Speaker 1: the teacher before them, and we can go so far

793
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:56,320
Speaker 1: down range without knowing what really this is the actual

794
00:45:56,520 --> 00:46:01,359
Speaker 1: oral history of the Sun, of the Man, Grand the deal.

795
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,720
Speaker 1: So I mean, I I think oral histories are cool,

796
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 1: which is part of your tradition storytelling.

797
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 2: Right, everything for us is pretty much oral, and until

798
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,240
Speaker 2: we got here. Now we're starting to write books and whatnot,

799
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 2: but you still have the gift to tell an oral story.

800
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 2: I like it. But but you're right on, and that's

801
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 2: something that the even we were working on doing in

802
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 2: the future also is not so much telling the story

803
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 2: the war story, because you know that's been publicized and

804
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:31,240
Speaker 2: people sort of know that public information.

805
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 1: He doesn't. Yeah, well, yeah, we got a whole coal

806
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: heart of young people don't even know about your people.

807
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 1: We're going to change that today. Please continue.

808
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 2: But what we want to do is and and like

809
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 2: you said, you've got all these scholars out there that

810
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 2: supposedly did their research and know everything. But I can

811
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:49,839
Speaker 2: tell you one thing they don't know. They don't know

812
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 2: what my father was thinking throughout the whole thing and

813
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:56,439
Speaker 2: what he saw through his eyes. And these are first

814
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 2: hand accounts, and that's something that I've been blessed to

815
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 2: not only here, but being able to document because my

816
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 2: father had the eighteen sons, I'm probably the closest one

817
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 2: to him. Most people just said, I'm in shadow. I

818
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 2: used to just follow him around everywhere. So he taught me.

819
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 2: He trained me, and you say, he trained me to

820
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 2: be who I am, so that you know, in the future,

821
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 2: if he's not around, at least some of the sons

822
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 2: can carry forward his vision, his mission for the people

823
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 2: trained in sense of you know, understand more politics, clan politics,

824
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 2: understand like you were talking about, we're very oral loan

825
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 2: politics and discussion groups can go on for days and

826
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:43,359
Speaker 2: it's all centered around like a nice table like this,

827
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 2: lots of food and lots of alcohol. And my father

828
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 2: used to sit through these things and he'll sit there

829
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 2: twenty four hours a day. And that's why, you know,

830
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 2: a lot of the traditional younger moment, more modernized moment

831
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 2: don't understand more. Politics takes a lot of time. It's

832
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 2: not a nine five jobs and and you don't just

833
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:04,360
Speaker 2: come there with a policy book and say this is

834
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:06,959
Speaker 2: the way it is. It's based on relationship. It's based

835
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 2: on relationship.

836
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 1: But you know what, when I preach to my and

837
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 1: I do preach, this is kind of a pulpit for me.

838
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 1: I tell people, if they want to get in politics,

839
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 1: start by meeting your neighbors and start by knocking on

840
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:23,879
Speaker 1: the next door. And you don't have to pick some

841
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:27,319
Speaker 1: super polarizing issue. It could just be, hey, you want

842
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 1: to come over and have barbecue, and you don't have

843
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 1: to make What you're saying is you have to drink

844
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:35,439
Speaker 1: with people and make friends with people and build relationships

845
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 1: with people.

846
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 2: You're right, You're right on there. And then in your

847
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 2: preamble you were talking about how can you know the

848
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 2: more conservative UH political party like the Republicans reach out

849
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:49,879
Speaker 2: and embrace among people. You get it right on. It's

850
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:53,359
Speaker 2: all about relationship. Don't give me a policy paper.

851
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:58,399
Speaker 1: Don't use people, particularly people that were used by our

852
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:01,800
Speaker 1: government as a pond. Going to be very sensitive to

853
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 1: people showing up and just saying hey, can I get

854
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 1: your vote? I mean, that's kind of insulting in a way,

855
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 1: isn't it.

856
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,280
Speaker 2: It is, And we see through that because both parties

857
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 2: do it, so it's not just one party or the

858
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 2: other party, but both parties do it. But it comes

859
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 2: down to what you said, relationship. I want to see

860
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 2: you there, not when you need my vote or you

861
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:22,799
Speaker 2: need my money for your campaign, but I want to

862
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 2: see you there when I'm sick or my friends sick,

863
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 2: or when we have someone important dies, or we have

864
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 2: a big event. Even if you come for five minutes

865
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 2: and shake hand and kiss a few babies, I see you,

866
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 2: but be sincere about it and really care about me.

867
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 2: If you want to make a decision. Don't bring me

868
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:41,360
Speaker 2: to sit at your table as a token. So do

869
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 2: you see a round face, brown face, or color face,

870
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:47,319
Speaker 2: but have me, let me have a say if you

871
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:49,359
Speaker 2: want me. You want to see it at the table. Yeah, yeah,

872
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:51,399
Speaker 2: I want to see at the table, not just to sit.

873
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 2: Let me give you my input. Let me give you

874
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 2: some of my decisions too, and let me be part

875
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 2: of that decision process.

876
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:01,800
Speaker 1: How just to digress per second, how is that going

877
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 1: with the current leadership of the Republican Party in Minnesota?

878
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 2: You want all honesty, not good? Not good. And I'm

879
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 2: not saying anything bad about the Republican leadership. They're all

880
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 2: good people. I know some of them. They're good find people.

881
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 2: But I can tell you why, and even we've talked

882
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 2: about this too, why a lot of them, all in

883
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 2: the Twin Seas are sort of leaning left because the

884
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 2: left has better outreach they do. They're more mobilized at

885
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 2: the local, a local level. They're in their neighborhoods. They

886
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 2: show up. I'm not saying they're sincere all the time,

887
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 2: but they show up.

888
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: We're going to start somewhere.

889
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, So the Republicans don't have to, you know, recreate

890
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 2: something new the Republicans has a huge advantage. They got

891
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 2: to understand where we came from. We're patriots. We're all

892
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 2: about loyalty, We're all about sacrifice, family, faith, you know,

893
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:06,359
Speaker 2: small business, strong military, economic and economic freedom. So all

894
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 2: the Republicans have to do is, you know, reach out

895
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 2: to us, but be very sincere and first of all,

896
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,400
Speaker 2: the easiest thing they can do. And then this is

897
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 2: their advantage. Pay tribute and respect the elders and veterans

898
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:22,320
Speaker 2: that paid the price for all of us younger guys.

899
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 2: If you respect our elders, you respect us, you respect

900
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 2: our history. That's the bond that you know that will

901
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 2: strengthen over time and then show up.

902
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 1: You know. I just want to say about my American culture.

903
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:43,360
Speaker 1: I'm born Jewish in Judaism. The elders run the deal, right, Okay,

904
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 1: it's traditional culture. We have a youth culture. We have

905
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 1: a lack of respect for age, but the traditional cultures

906
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 1: age has its own weight, right. And I'm just going

907
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 1: to tell you myself personally, just so because we don't

908
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 1: know each other, I represent what I would call the

909
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 1: new Republicans. I'm not tied to the mistakes of the past.

910
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 1: In fact, I'm critical of it, and I have you here,

911
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 1: I'm invited to hear them. Think, Ava, can I use

912
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 1: your last name?

913
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 2: No.

914
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 1: Ava is someone that I know, and we talked and

915
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 1: she said, be great if to come on, and I

916
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: jumped at the opportunity because I want so much to

917
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 1: create a community. And I don't mean just the community

918
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 1: of Republicans. I mean a community of American citizens that

919
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 1: find things in common. Because both parties are corrupt. I mean,

920
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 1: we're just the corruption is obvious right now, so we

921
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 1: see it. So you know, you can't look at one group.

922
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 1: And I watched this in news. Oh they're going to

923
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:55,759
Speaker 1: throw bricks over at the Democrats. Hey, you know what, Republicans,

924
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 1: you were in that state House when all this corruption

925
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 1: got set up. Were the sheep dogs guarding the sheep,

926
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:06,840
Speaker 1: you know. So both parties have got their spear dipped

927
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 1: in the blood of this corruption. Now, there's good people

928
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 1: in both parties and we need them to step up.

929
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 1: We've got to support them. But what supports them is

930
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 1: when the citizens come together and tear down the walls that.

931
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 2: Exist.

932
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:27,800
Speaker 1: They still exist for the among community here in Minnesota. Okay,

933
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 1: So Ava's here and she's saying Frederick Douglas Project dot

934
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:38,319
Speaker 1: org is dedicated Fdproject dot org to tearing down the walls.

935
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 1: So what Ava is saying from the she's in the

936
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 1: cheap seats they've got, We've got an audience today. She's

937
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 1: saying that this Frederick Douglas Project is about supporting and

938
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:54,839
Speaker 1: growing relationships with these emerging constituencies. Do I get it?

939
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 1: Underserved communit these and so what we're trying, what I'm

940
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:04,400
Speaker 1: trying to do is I'm trying to make a relationship

941
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 1: with you. I mean, I hope you can feel No,

942
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:07,759
Speaker 1: I can feel it that. I I mean, I'm not

943
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 1: any that. That's why I'm that easy talking to you,

944
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 1: because you can feel it. Yeah, And this is not

945
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:15,279
Speaker 1: an interview. I don't send it as an interview or

946
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 1: anything like that. It's just two friends having a good discussion,

947
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 1: trying to become friends because and I very open open,

948
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 1: because what I'm seeking is new constituencies, because I want

949
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 1: to have a state that protects freedom and faith and

950
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 1: uh my well being. I want to have I want

951
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:39,280
Speaker 1: to have a politics in the state where we're focused

952
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 1: on community well being. You're an elder in your community.

953
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 1: What are you most concerned about that your people are

954
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:47,319
Speaker 1: well that that's a big, big part of.

955
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 2: It, right exactly. And then I want to go back

956
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:52,320
Speaker 2: to something you were talking about, like with the Jewish community,

957
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:56,759
Speaker 2: we're not so much different than Jewish community if you

958
00:54:56,800 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 2: really dig down deep into the among culture. In most

959
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:04,320
Speaker 2: society right now, even with the new generation, we still

960
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:07,400
Speaker 2: have an internal structure that most people don't see unless

961
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 2: they come and really stay with us. The elder still

962
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 2: play a lot of big role. I know, the ones

963
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:16,880
Speaker 2: that get publicity and get funding and all that for

964
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 2: whatever nonprofits or programs are the more younger, more articulate

965
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 2: ones like myself and others. But the ones that push

966
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 2: the buttons that solve the problems are the elders. And

967
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 2: I was talking to another gentleman American German the other

968
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 2: day and we were talking about homelessness. Mon didn't have

969
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:37,879
Speaker 2: homelessness for a long time. We do now. I think,

970
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:40,880
Speaker 2: you know, there's probably maybe one hundred and fifty homeless

971
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:44,719
Speaker 2: moments in twin cities. Wow, yep. So it's it's quite

972
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:47,360
Speaker 2: alarming for me because we never had it. And I

973
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 2: think the reason why we have it because the younger

974
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:58,799
Speaker 2: generation are being put into different roles of responsibility in

975
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 2: the broader For instance, if you have a psychologist degree,

976
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 2: he sits on this border, this committee that's supposed to

977
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 2: oversee all this funding to take care of all the

978
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:16,240
Speaker 2: social issues. So he has not only the authority given

979
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:20,239
Speaker 2: by policy or the laws and rules, but he also

980
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:24,760
Speaker 2: has the funding. But the real people that can solve

981
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:29,720
Speaker 2: homelessness are the elders because we had a collective responsibility

982
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 2: through clans. If a bang got sick or a bank

983
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:38,799
Speaker 2: committed crime, we don't go to authorities. We ask who

984
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:41,479
Speaker 2: is that guy related to in the bang. We bring

985
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 2: in that family or that cluster family, talk to them

986
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 2: and say, hey, how do we address this Because he's

987
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:48,279
Speaker 2: a bang, I'm a bang. We're going to take care

988
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:51,839
Speaker 2: of it. Same thing with homelessness before. If someone didn't

989
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:54,360
Speaker 2: have a place to stay and he's a bang related

990
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:57,800
Speaker 2: to me, I've got a basement, I've got ten couches

991
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 2: down there, I've got a bathroom down Come on in.

992
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 2: Whatever I eat, you eat with me, Okay, I'll help

993
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 2: you get back on your feet. But we don't have

994
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 2: that anymore because now we because of the way the

995
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:14,280
Speaker 2: system is in society is if I take that person

996
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 2: in something happens that person, I'm legally liable. Now. Now,

997
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:21,720
Speaker 2: I don't want to take on that responsibility. If he says, hey,

998
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 2: you know I assaulted him, I could go to jail.

999
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 2: So I don't want to take that risk either.

1000
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 1: So that being involved in an American life and the

1001
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 1: American system is changing, altering the nature of traditional.

1002
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 2: Culture exactly, because I tell you what, if the elders

1003
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 2: had more authority and they had the comfort that, hey,

1004
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:47,840
Speaker 2: you know, there's not going to be all these regulations

1005
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 2: that can lock us up. If this guy does something

1006
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 2: in my house and I get blamed for it, I'll

1007
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 2: tell you what, if there's a vang will take him in, Yeah,

1008
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 2: and I'll find out who he's really related to, and

1009
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 2: we'll work with those families. Because we have the BANG Council.

1010
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 2: I think we have like we're the largest clan here.

1011
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 2: I think we have like forty two district leaders in

1012
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 2: just the banks, and I think we're we're like fifteen

1013
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 2: twenty thousand people.

1014
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 1: So you have your own we have our own structure.

1015
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 1: You have your own structure. Yeah, it's an organizational structure.

1016
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. And in the past, in the past, the class

1017
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:28,400
Speaker 2: system has been our strength When we first got here,

1018
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 2: we didn't have credit, we didn't have collateral. We wanted

1019
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 2: to start a small, let's say, small grocery store. So

1020
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 2: the banks would all come together and say, hey, child's

1021
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 2: got a great idea. He needed to know fifty thousand dollars.

1022
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 2: They all pitch in five hundred, one thousand, whatever, I

1023
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 2: get my fifty thousand. It all came from the clans.

1024
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about coming here. What we I want

1025
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 1: to I really want to get into the story just

1026
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:55,080
Speaker 1: of what happened at the end of the war and

1027
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 1: then the migration, and what happened to the people that

1028
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 1: got left beyond. I think that the Americans said, let

1029
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 1: me just say as a predicate, there's a lot of

1030
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 1: really open hearted people in this country, you know. Oh yeah,

1031
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:10,680
Speaker 1: we got some people and in the Republican Party that

1032
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:14,960
Speaker 1: are not yet so open hearted for whatever reason. Some

1033
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 1: of them have their own reason, right, there's even legitimate

1034
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 1: reasons from their perspective it. But in the bigger picture,

1035
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 1: you're American. You're an American citizen, correct, I am? And

1036
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 1: among people that are here are mostly American citizens, mostly

1037
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 1: they are mostly How did that happen? What happened?

1038
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 2: After the war. Well, like we were talking about, you know,

1039
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 2: we we were allied with the United States during the

1040
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 2: Secret War. When the United States left, we obviously had

1041
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 2: to leave because the Commists would have wiped us out

1042
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:45,840
Speaker 2: because of our allegiance to the United States.

1043
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 1: So these are the Leotian Communists or the Vietnamese and

1044
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 1: the Laotian together because Laos went communists after the war.

1045
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:58,040
Speaker 2: Yep, and they still are commis, one party commist political

1046
00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:01,360
Speaker 2: system over there. So we had no choice, especially those

1047
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:06,720
Speaker 2: that were very closely aligned in my father's leadership structure.

1048
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:08,400
Speaker 2: We had them, Yeah, he had them flew out of

1049
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:10,360
Speaker 2: the country to to Thailand.

1050
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:13,120
Speaker 1: So he had he had Did he have his own

1051
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 1: air force or did was he? No, it's the United States,

1052
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:18,640
Speaker 1: So they the United States, even the United States had

1053
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:20,960
Speaker 1: a moral obligation. They knew it wasn't gonna look good.

1054
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 1: So they they had to do it, whether they have

1055
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:25,920
Speaker 1: a moral obligation or they did, or they did it

1056
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 1: because it wasn't going.

1057
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:29,919
Speaker 2: To look good. I think, uh more more, it wasn't

1058
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:30,560
Speaker 2: going to look good.

1059
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:34,560
Speaker 1: But is this after the genocide in Cambodia or before?

1060
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 2: It was uh a little bit before, Okay, because the

1061
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 2: genocide really happened after the United States pulled out. So

1062
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:46,040
Speaker 2: so we didn't come here with the economic refugees. We

1063
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 2: didn't want to leave. If you want me to be frank,

1064
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 2: if we had a choice, nobody was gonna kill us.

1065
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 2: We'd stay or my father would stay because you liked it. Yeah,

1066
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:57,000
Speaker 2: that was our home. Yeah. My father told me the

1067
01:00:57,040 --> 01:01:02,080
Speaker 2: story when he left. Yeah, and it breaks me down

1068
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 2: a little bit because he was on the airstrip, a

1069
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:11,880
Speaker 2: loan chain, the secrets, the ie base. So that was

1070
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:13,320
Speaker 2: the last time he saw his country.

1071
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:18,680
Speaker 1: He told you the story. Did you tell to you

1072
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 1: more than once all the time? Loved his country.

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Speaker 2: You've never seen it since he left. Yep. He's buried

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Speaker 2: in southern California. America's home for us now. Yeah, but

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Speaker 2: we didn't come here as uh, economic migrants looking for

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Speaker 2: economic opportunities. We came here. We came here because we

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Speaker 2: had too and we came here because we were American allies.

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Speaker 1: Were there people in your klan that left behind him

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Speaker 1: were killed?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: About how many people were could you know the number

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Speaker 1: of people that were left behind him were killed by the.

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Speaker 2: Commiss Nobody has an exact count, but it's more than one.

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Speaker 2: It's more than one. Oh, it's many thousands.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so listen now, I want everybody to listen to this. Now,

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Speaker 1: this is a man family fought. Just forget about all

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Speaker 1: the murky water. Let's just talk about the punchline at

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Speaker 1: the end. The communist one, right, they killed everybody that

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Speaker 1: was involved. You all are fighting communists. Do you understand

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Speaker 1: what's going on here in this country? Who? I can

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Speaker 1: ask you what happens if the communists get control of

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Speaker 1: the United States of America. What's going to happen?

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what. All the freedom fighters and freedom

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Speaker 2: loving people you ever leave? Or it's like Cambodia. The

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Speaker 2: cleansing Cambodia is because they wanted to clean out.

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Speaker 1: So do you know about the killing fields of Cambodia,

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Speaker 1: young man.

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Speaker 2: I've heard it. I don't know any of like b

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Speaker 2: ac Soul.

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Speaker 1: Well, this is all in one area that in fact,

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Speaker 1: one could say all these country borders are a little

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Speaker 1: bit arbitrary. Yeah, it's all one region. It's all right region,

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Speaker 1: and that's what it's called. The China and the people

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Speaker 1: in Cambodia that were go ahead, so.

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Speaker 2: They think gets the same model. The Communist one. They

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Speaker 2: wanted to wipe out all the intellectual people that were

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Speaker 2: in opposition to them because they didn't want that ideology.

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Speaker 2: And how many.

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Speaker 1: People died millions, millions of people, yah, millions. So when

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Speaker 1: people and I just you don't we don't know each

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Speaker 1: other well. And if you started listening, av, did you

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Speaker 1: listen to my podcast that I sent you? Okay, so

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Speaker 1: you know I'm a little strident. I'm a little strident,

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Speaker 1: a little bit, little bit. Ava says, I'm passionate. Why

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Speaker 1: am I passionate? Well, let me tell you. My grandfather

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01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:41,320
Speaker 1: told me how all his brothers and sisters were killed.

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Speaker 1: I know how they died. I'm getting a little emotional.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you're bringing it up because I don't think

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Speaker 1: about it because a long time ago for me. But

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Speaker 1: I mean he told me how this went down, and

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01:03:52,560 --> 01:04:05,360
Speaker 1: these were communists. Eva says, there are people that swam

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Speaker 1: across the Maekong River this is in Southeast Asia to survive,

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Speaker 1: to escape while people were while people were shooting at him,

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Speaker 1: and people were hiding in the jungle. It was a

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Speaker 1: it was a movie, but it was real life. It

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Speaker 1: was it was the real deal. And I have those

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01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:23,960
Speaker 1: stories and what I'm trying to say to the audience is,

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Speaker 1: you know, when I go off on some of these

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Speaker 1: people that are, how should we say, collaborating with the Marxists,

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Speaker 1: you know, like in the Republican Party. Okay, you know

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Speaker 1: a lot of Republican elected officials watch this. They won't

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Speaker 1: admit to it, but I know they're watching it, and

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Speaker 1: I'm hard on them. And I'm hard on them because

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Speaker 1: right here, and you know this in Saint Paul, Minneapolis,

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01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:48,360
Speaker 1: the Democrat Party of the Twin Cities is really under

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Speaker 1: the control of Democrats socialists now, and Mark said, socialism

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Speaker 1: is the gateway drug to communism. So when they are

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Speaker 1: conciliatory or try to govern with these people, it's just

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Speaker 1: pulling our whole government. And it's over to the kind

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Speaker 1: of ideology which slaughtered anybody that was left in your

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Speaker 1: home country, right exactly. So I'm fighting that because this

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Speaker 1: is what happened to my people. My people or anybody

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01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:16,880
Speaker 1: that was left was killed, killed because as you just said,

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Speaker 1: they didn't want that ideology around. We don't understand. This

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Speaker 1: is a part of my pulpit. We're a Republican country,

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01:05:25,240 --> 01:05:27,080
Speaker 1: and I don't mean we don't have a Democrat party.

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01:05:27,080 --> 01:05:30,760
Speaker 1: In the republic Party, I'm not talking about parties. We're Republican,

1148
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:35,120
Speaker 1: like the Republic of Mexico, which they're riding down there

1149
01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:39,720
Speaker 1: trying to reclaim the Republican governance. What is Republican governance.

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Speaker 1: You're a citizen of this country. You're a sovereign of

1151
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:44,880
Speaker 1: your own life. Nobody going to tell you how to

1152
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:47,360
Speaker 1: paddle your canoe. You're the king of your own life.

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01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:51,440
Speaker 1: I'm the king of my own life. But I respect you.

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01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:55,760
Speaker 1: I respect you. Your rights are your rights. I'm going

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Speaker 1: to respect that at all times. And as a Republican,

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01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:01,280
Speaker 1: I'm going to be involved in civic life. That's why

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01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:05,120
Speaker 1: I'm doing this. And I believe in the common good.

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01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:09,520
Speaker 1: So if your community is not participating in the common good,

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Speaker 1: we've had a breakdown of the philosophy of Republicanism exactly.

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Speaker 1: We got to fix that. That's the winning ticket for

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Speaker 1: the Republican Party is I tweeted this out this morning.

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Speaker 1: Let's quit looking at our four oh one case and

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Speaker 1: start thinking about the common good. And that's that's why

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to reach out to you to make a

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01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:33,160
Speaker 1: relationship because I believe in the common good. Now that

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01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:37,680
Speaker 1: doesn't mean we're communists. It means we have policy that

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Speaker 1: doesn't aggregate all the benefits and gains of the society

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Speaker 1: into a handful of folks' pockets. We got to spread

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01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:48,880
Speaker 1: it out or guess what's going to happen? Revolution, which

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Speaker 1: you've seen right then the pitchforks come out that which

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Speaker 1: is really if you go roll the history back to

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Speaker 1: a colonial enterprise, of course there was going to be

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Speaker 1: war because colonialism is a kind of feudalism. It makes

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01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:11,960
Speaker 1: people in the slaves right, absolutely, And there's two philosophies

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Speaker 1: we can choose from to overcome this. We can be

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Speaker 1: Republicans or we can be Marxists. Your community wants to

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Speaker 1: be Republicans. That's what I'm hearing you say. So how

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Speaker 1: did you get here? They had to come, Your father

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Speaker 1: had He had to make that decision. You had to

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Speaker 1: leave or you're gonna get slaughtered. So it's a no

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Speaker 1: brainer you leave. And so that's how we got here

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Speaker 1: to the United States, most of us. Some went to France,

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Speaker 1: some went to Australia, but mostly the United States. And

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Speaker 1: was the United States government supporting this migration? And yeah, yep,

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Speaker 1: they was this a CIA also.

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Speaker 2: They said it went through the State Department, so same thing, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean, same government, but yes, they they were. And

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Speaker 2: going back to what you said, America is the kindest

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Speaker 2: country in the world, the big hardest, not saying everybody,

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Speaker 2: but America overall. So I give credit where credit is due.

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Speaker 2: We're you know, my father, and the moment felt, you know,

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Speaker 2: be traded because of the military operations and how the

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Speaker 2: United States you know, cut deals for their own benefit

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01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:28,160
Speaker 2: long term, but bigger yeah, with with bigger plans. So

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Speaker 2: we in that sense, we felt betrayed. We're thankful that

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Speaker 2: we were allowed to come here. If we didn't come here,

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Speaker 2: we would not have the level of intelligence and education

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Speaker 2: we have and the opportunities we have because of the

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Speaker 2: freedom and opportunities in America, because we compare ourselves with

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Speaker 2: our relatives who still live in Laos and they're you know,

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Speaker 2: they still live very backward life. So now we have doctors, lawyers,

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Speaker 2: we've have engineers, we've got people work for NASA. We've

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Speaker 2: got two commercial airline pilots in two generations, yep, in

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Speaker 2: two generations. We've got yost Olympic gold medalists. So we've

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Speaker 2: come a long ways. I mean, we were at the

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Speaker 2: bottom of the social totem pole forever back in Laos.

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Speaker 2: So if we look at this way, like my father said,

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Speaker 2: you got wherever you're at, you got to look for

1209
01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:22,880
Speaker 2: silver lightning. So, yes, we lost the country. But if

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Speaker 2: we didn't lose the country, when we wouldn't have the

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Speaker 2: life we have now. Now we like Ron Reagan said,

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Speaker 2: we're the city on the shining Hill for the rest

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Speaker 2: of the moon world.

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Speaker 1: So the people that came here into the Minnesota, they're

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Speaker 1: mostly in the Twin Cities, mostly concentrat in Twin Cities,

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Speaker 1: and two generations. The first generation bore great suffering, didn't

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Speaker 1: speak the language in every resources the.

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Speaker 2: Way my father the analoga he used for first generations.

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Speaker 2: We came over here and we were thrown into this

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Speaker 2: one hundred yard dash race in this society. We're still

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01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:05,000
Speaker 2: when we got here, we're still trying to put our

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01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:08,160
Speaker 2: shoes on and you know, tied the shoelaces. Well, the

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01:10:08,160 --> 01:10:11,400
Speaker 2: rest of you know, the other racers are fifty yards

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Speaker 2: down the road. That's how it was when we got here.

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Speaker 2: Because we didn't understand language, we didn't understand the laws,

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Speaker 2: and we didn't understand the cultures. Some of the people,

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Speaker 2: and this is true. They went to the bathroom, they

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01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:27,960
Speaker 2: saw the toilet seed up, and they saw water in there.

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01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:30,880
Speaker 2: They thought that it was a well, this is true.

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Speaker 2: People may think, you know, hey, you know, you're just

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Speaker 2: making that. You got to understand, we had wells over there.

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Speaker 2: We didn't have and we had open toilets. We didn't

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Speaker 2: have the modern amenities that we have here.

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Speaker 1: So well, I mean, I grew up in Saint Paul's,

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Speaker 1: so I have to tell you I was here when

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Speaker 1: the monk community came to Saint Paul, and I remember

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Speaker 1: a lot of the difficulties that the traditional culture had

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Speaker 1: when it ran smack dab into nineteen seventies America and

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Speaker 1: took some time, didn't it.

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Speaker 2: It took them some time. And you know people talk

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Speaker 2: about cultural shock. This was more than culture shock.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think you said your father had eighteen sons, right,

1243
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:11,160
Speaker 1: that didn't all come from one wife.

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Speaker 2: No, he had he had six wife. Okay, And there's

1245
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Speaker 2: some politics to that too.

1246
01:11:15,160 --> 01:11:17,559
Speaker 1: I'm sure there is. But you know, the politics here

1247
01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:20,240
Speaker 1: is one man, one woman, or you're going to lose

1248
01:11:20,280 --> 01:11:24,639
Speaker 1: everything you got. So it's a very different kind of

1249
01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:27,360
Speaker 1: a culture and what we tend to do, and this

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Speaker 1: is a problem with America. We tend to be very judgmental.

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Speaker 1: And I'm sure that judgmental those that those judgments, you know,

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01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:41,320
Speaker 1: Christ said, judge not less to be judged, but that judgment,

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Speaker 1: those judgments probably are still to some degree at play

1254
01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:49,519
Speaker 1: holding these communities apart. Is that a reasonable statement?

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01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:50,840
Speaker 2: That a reasonable statement?

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01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:54,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, unnecessary statement because what I'm hearing you say is

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Speaker 1: is that your community wants economic freedom, once health for them,

1258
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:08,519
Speaker 1: wants religious freedom. I mean, really pretty much Republican values.

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Speaker 2: All Republican values. I know that may sound biased because

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Speaker 2: I'm Republican, but we've known nothing but you know, Republican

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01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:20,080
Speaker 2: values in our homeland. Like I said, I mentioned a

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Speaker 2: little bit.

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Speaker 1: Well, there's nothing more self governing than living on a mountaintop. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that is self governance. Yeah, we had no social programs.

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Speaker 1: You don't work hard or your your clan doesn't die.

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Speaker 2: Right, So we didn't know about you know, welfare, We

1267
01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:36,600
Speaker 2: didn't know about you know, free medication or anything that

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Speaker 2: until we got here and.

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Speaker 1: Then people went, wow, what's this? So what happened? People

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Speaker 1: showed up, came poor, I know, the Democrats showed up

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Speaker 1: because my mom was amongst them, and.

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Speaker 2: And and and we were talking about you know, you

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Speaker 2: and I weren't, but I was talking to someone else. Why. Uh.

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Speaker 2: People from the outside look at the Moan community here

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01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:04,360
Speaker 2: and they say, why are most of the moon leaning left.

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01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:09,320
Speaker 2: It's a systematic thing, because, like you were talking about,

1277
01:13:09,320 --> 01:13:12,439
Speaker 2: when we came here, we needed that assistant and where

1278
01:13:12,479 --> 01:13:16,080
Speaker 2: we got resettled with the inner urban core, that's where

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01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:18,800
Speaker 2: all most of the low housing, public housing are. So

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Speaker 2: we're putting to it. You come from. Now, you go

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Speaker 2: to the urban core, you're in low come, low income area.

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Speaker 2: The only people that help you out that you see

1283
01:13:27,880 --> 01:13:33,280
Speaker 2: day in day out are nonprofits, the social workers, the psychologists,

1284
01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:37,160
Speaker 2: and I hate to say it, most of the most

1285
01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:41,559
Speaker 2: of the democratic political people come because you know, they're

1286
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:44,080
Speaker 2: the ones that put those programs together. That's why they

1287
01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:48,719
Speaker 2: put them together. And exactly so if you see those

1288
01:13:48,720 --> 01:13:51,680
Speaker 2: people and these are you know, and you're the benefactor

1289
01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:56,640
Speaker 2: of all their helping hands, over time you get accustomed

1290
01:13:56,640 --> 01:14:00,000
Speaker 2: to seeing that, hey, these are my friends and therefore

1291
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:02,320
Speaker 2: or you know, that's why the system set up where

1292
01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:06,080
Speaker 2: we tend to lean left, because not not because of

1293
01:14:06,120 --> 01:14:11,360
Speaker 2: our tradition, but because of the system. But now you

1294
01:14:11,439 --> 01:14:15,439
Speaker 2: get Now, now when we talk about economic growth, now,

1295
01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:19,080
Speaker 2: all the home business people, they're very conservative.

1296
01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:21,880
Speaker 1: Going down University Avenue in Saint Paul, for.

1297
01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:25,200
Speaker 2: Example, who wants to pay more taxes? Who wants more regulations?

1298
01:14:25,200 --> 01:14:27,280
Speaker 1: People are working hard? Yeah, I mean, you know, you

1299
01:14:27,400 --> 01:14:29,240
Speaker 1: come from nothing, Suddenly you got a business.

1300
01:14:29,320 --> 01:14:32,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get that. I'll tell you what it and

1301
01:14:32,479 --> 01:14:35,799
Speaker 2: and you know this. If I'm if I'm low income

1302
01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:39,519
Speaker 2: and you're just giving me freebies, I'm getta raise my

1303
01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:42,040
Speaker 2: hand and thank you. But if I'm the guy paying

1304
01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:46,040
Speaker 2: the taxes that feeds all these programs, I have an

1305
01:14:46,080 --> 01:14:46,960
Speaker 2: issue with the program.

1306
01:14:47,080 --> 01:14:50,439
Speaker 1: Is now the clan system is very strong. Is there

1307
01:14:51,479 --> 01:14:54,240
Speaker 1: controversy about this issue within the klan or does the

1308
01:14:54,280 --> 01:14:57,519
Speaker 1: plan not take this up? They tend to not take

1309
01:14:57,560 --> 01:14:57,840
Speaker 1: it up.

1310
01:14:58,479 --> 01:15:01,040
Speaker 2: They know what they know. It's an issue they'll probably

1311
01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:05,520
Speaker 2: talk about privately behind closed doors, but not openly because

1312
01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:07,760
Speaker 2: it's family that its found.

1313
01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:11,920
Speaker 1: We miss that. See here in the United States, we

1314
01:15:11,960 --> 01:15:14,000
Speaker 1: don't even know who our neighbors are. I mean, we

1315
01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:17,559
Speaker 1: don't know the names of our neighbors. Most kids are

1316
01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:22,040
Speaker 1: not most but they move away in search of another life.

1317
01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:26,200
Speaker 1: The parents are on social security. They don't depend in

1318
01:15:26,240 --> 01:15:30,000
Speaker 1: your culture. Can the parents depend on their children for

1319
01:15:30,080 --> 01:15:34,639
Speaker 1: sustenance when they get older? For the most part, that's normal. Yeah,

1320
01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:37,800
Speaker 1: see that's not normal here. Yeah, we the government takes

1321
01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:39,760
Speaker 1: care of the parents. But you know, we're going to

1322
01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:43,840
Speaker 1: all criticize. See, now this is where it gets Dice.

1323
01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:46,360
Speaker 1: It's time to start taking these things apart. We have

1324
01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:52,000
Speaker 1: an entire social structure which breaks apart families in this

1325
01:15:52,120 --> 01:15:57,920
Speaker 1: country creates dependency, right, and we accept it because it's

1326
01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:00,799
Speaker 1: baked into the cake that the system lies. That's the system.

1327
01:16:01,120 --> 01:16:04,680
Speaker 1: Nobody ever talks about my parents or my aunt or

1328
01:16:04,680 --> 01:16:08,360
Speaker 1: my uncle or I'm soid security age. I'm not taking it,

1329
01:16:08,680 --> 01:16:11,760
Speaker 1: but I could. But then we're going to point our

1330
01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:15,240
Speaker 1: fingers over here. You know, this is a society wide

1331
01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:20,759
Speaker 1: dependency on government. It'd be nice if it a society

1332
01:16:20,760 --> 01:16:22,439
Speaker 1: wide dependency on each other.

1333
01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:22,920
Speaker 2: Right.

1334
01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:26,720
Speaker 1: However, the government takes so much carrying fees to run

1335
01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:29,720
Speaker 1: this giant behemoth of a government that the government's the

1336
01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:32,280
Speaker 1: one coming out and we're getting the crumbs off the table.

1337
01:16:32,600 --> 01:16:35,679
Speaker 1: But what I'm hearing you say is the monk community

1338
01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:41,639
Speaker 1: knows about this. Every monk knows about it. But doesn't

1339
01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:44,400
Speaker 1: want to talk about it. But what is the way

1340
01:16:44,520 --> 01:16:49,040
Speaker 1: out of this? How does the community move from dependency

1341
01:16:49,640 --> 01:16:53,360
Speaker 1: to self sufficiency? Is there an ampetus in those that

1342
01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:56,519
Speaker 1: are still in the government grasp to get out of there,

1343
01:16:56,720 --> 01:17:00,400
Speaker 1: or they acquiesced and they're just part of the system.

1344
01:17:00,160 --> 01:17:03,280
Speaker 2: I'm sorry to say that the ones that are in government,

1345
01:17:03,479 --> 01:17:08,960
Speaker 2: they're part of the system. Now it I won't say names,

1346
01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:11,280
Speaker 2: but you know, we only have like nine or ten

1347
01:17:11,400 --> 01:17:15,720
Speaker 2: in legislatures up at the Capitol, and if you look

1348
01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:17,880
Speaker 2: at how they vote and bills that they put together

1349
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:21,240
Speaker 2: and all that, you can tell they're part of the system.

1350
01:17:21,360 --> 01:17:23,800
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I find that's not unusual because like

1351
01:17:23,840 --> 01:17:28,479
Speaker 1: when I have meeting in the smaller community, they're willing

1352
01:17:28,520 --> 01:17:30,799
Speaker 1: to do things and work with people that I wouldn't.

1353
01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:32,479
Speaker 1: And then they said why are you doing that? And

1354
01:17:32,520 --> 01:17:34,960
Speaker 1: they said, well, you know, I'm a newcomer. You you've

1355
01:17:34,960 --> 01:17:38,360
Speaker 1: been here for generations, and I don't think we understand

1356
01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:42,240
Speaker 1: that well as American citizens to come here, get a

1357
01:17:42,280 --> 01:17:46,400
Speaker 1: citizenship and have nothing and then have to try to

1358
01:17:46,439 --> 01:17:49,680
Speaker 1: make something out of nothing, that's not a small not

1359
01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:53,920
Speaker 1: a small deal, particularly at a time when the system

1360
01:17:53,960 --> 01:17:56,960
Speaker 1: is so well developed when my family came here, there

1361
01:17:57,120 --> 01:18:00,240
Speaker 1: was no system. The only way to get over. Well,

1362
01:18:00,240 --> 01:18:05,360
Speaker 1: that's why my run, You're gonna laugh. My family gangsters

1363
01:18:05,640 --> 01:18:08,480
Speaker 1: because that was the only thing they could do, say, criminals,

1364
01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:11,439
Speaker 1: and then what they did was they were criminals. And

1365
01:18:11,479 --> 01:18:13,960
Speaker 1: then when they got money, the first thing they did

1366
01:18:13,960 --> 01:18:16,559
Speaker 1: with that next generation sent them all to college and

1367
01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:20,200
Speaker 1: they all became doctors. Right, because it was different to

1368
01:18:20,240 --> 01:18:22,880
Speaker 1: come in the seventies. I don't want to say that

1369
01:18:22,920 --> 01:18:26,680
Speaker 1: the government brought the Vietnamese among communities here to make

1370
01:18:26,720 --> 01:18:29,800
Speaker 1: them dependent on government, just to change the demographics of

1371
01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:34,559
Speaker 1: the voting in Minnesota, because there was a righteous part

1372
01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:40,360
Speaker 1: to it, because these people that came actually served and died, right,

1373
01:18:41,479 --> 01:18:45,639
Speaker 1: which is maybe different than some downstream groups. But hey,

1374
01:18:46,280 --> 01:18:50,400
Speaker 1: there was an aspect of that demographic voting thing, wasn't there.

1375
01:18:49,920 --> 01:18:53,120
Speaker 2: There is and there is today too. When you hear

1376
01:18:53,160 --> 01:18:57,519
Speaker 2: about all these you know, our immigration problem with the

1377
01:18:57,560 --> 01:19:00,960
Speaker 2: southern border. I mean you listened to to both sides.

1378
01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:04,880
Speaker 2: There's the reason why the policy was changed. It basically

1379
01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:09,800
Speaker 2: you can just walk across. I mean you look at you.

1380
01:19:09,880 --> 01:19:12,120
Speaker 2: A friend of mine was talking to me about, you know,

1381
01:19:13,120 --> 01:19:17,760
Speaker 2: the Moan community and immigration all that and he was saying,

1382
01:19:17,800 --> 01:19:22,960
Speaker 2: you know, why do you think that the moment are

1383
01:19:23,479 --> 01:19:27,840
Speaker 2: in all these nonprofit programs and they're not really graduating

1384
01:19:27,880 --> 01:19:31,839
Speaker 2: out of them because the nonprofits exists to serve people.

1385
01:19:32,040 --> 01:19:35,200
Speaker 2: And if you graduate them out where they don't need

1386
01:19:35,200 --> 01:19:37,920
Speaker 2: any more social service program there's no more funding for

1387
01:19:38,720 --> 01:19:42,000
Speaker 2: all these organizations. They have no more purpose. So the

1388
01:19:42,040 --> 01:19:45,160
Speaker 2: purposes and people dependent. Yeah, and that was from a

1389
01:19:45,200 --> 01:19:48,240
Speaker 2: guy that worked in the social service for over thirty years.

1390
01:19:48,439 --> 01:19:51,880
Speaker 1: You know, there's thirty thousand NGOs in Minnesota, just in

1391
01:19:51,960 --> 01:19:55,000
Speaker 1: one state, thirty thousand. I believe that thirty thousand. Well,

1392
01:19:55,120 --> 01:19:56,760
Speaker 1: let me tell you about the Republicans. They have no

1393
01:19:56,840 --> 01:20:01,960
Speaker 1: idea about this because the Republicans still, you know, they're

1394
01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:06,200
Speaker 1: just not part of that system. It's two alternative realities.

1395
01:20:06,720 --> 01:20:10,040
Speaker 1: And I think the Democrat side knows what's going on

1396
01:20:10,560 --> 01:20:15,439
Speaker 1: much more, much more wisdom in that Republicans are sitting

1397
01:20:15,439 --> 01:20:18,680
Speaker 1: out here. They just don't recognize. Well, they're starting to

1398
01:20:19,240 --> 01:20:22,040
Speaker 1: because they're seeing the corruption, but the depth of it,

1399
01:20:22,520 --> 01:20:26,160
Speaker 1: the way this dependency has integrated itself, and not just

1400
01:20:26,200 --> 01:20:29,479
Speaker 1: with the monk community. But I'm saying that people can

1401
01:20:29,479 --> 01:20:32,280
Speaker 1: get mad at me. Social security is no different it's

1402
01:20:32,280 --> 01:20:35,240
Speaker 1: the same thing. But see, we accept it because we

1403
01:20:35,320 --> 01:20:39,560
Speaker 1: earned it. So that's the story. We earned it. But

1404
01:20:39,560 --> 01:20:42,040
Speaker 1: it's still dependency on government instead of me depending on

1405
01:20:42,120 --> 01:20:44,960
Speaker 1: my children. You know, I'm married, I said to this.

1406
01:20:45,080 --> 01:20:48,479
Speaker 1: You know, I'm in the Chinese community. I am, and

1407
01:20:49,560 --> 01:20:53,080
Speaker 1: Chinese people they expect their children to take care of them.

1408
01:20:53,160 --> 01:20:56,040
Speaker 1: It would be a shame to have the government intervene.

1409
01:20:57,120 --> 01:21:04,360
Speaker 1: And you know in China, like hand loss seven dollars

1410
01:21:04,360 --> 01:21:07,080
Speaker 1: a month they get from the Chinese government, that's their

1411
01:21:07,080 --> 01:21:09,719
Speaker 1: social security. Try to live on seven bucks a mile,

1412
01:21:10,240 --> 01:21:13,519
Speaker 1: so they have to be self governing. So all their

1413
01:21:13,640 --> 01:21:16,160
Speaker 1: children kick into a pot every month to take care

1414
01:21:16,200 --> 01:21:18,680
Speaker 1: of their parents. Yeah, same thing. In your community, we

1415
01:21:19,080 --> 01:21:21,320
Speaker 1: do the same thing. Well, is it breaking down because

1416
01:21:21,320 --> 01:21:27,360
Speaker 1: of these Is that that respect for family breaking down

1417
01:21:27,439 --> 01:21:30,360
Speaker 1: because of these these government policies.

1418
01:21:30,439 --> 01:21:32,880
Speaker 2: It's starting to. It's starting to. And that's sort of

1419
01:21:32,880 --> 01:21:34,800
Speaker 2: what we were talking about the homeless. The issue for

1420
01:21:34,840 --> 01:21:38,439
Speaker 2: the moment is it's sort of breaking down the power

1421
01:21:38,479 --> 01:21:42,559
Speaker 2: structure and the responsibility of the clan system. That's why

1422
01:21:42,640 --> 01:21:45,040
Speaker 2: we have homelessess. If I tell you what, if you

1423
01:21:45,080 --> 01:21:48,000
Speaker 2: say no more programs to help homelessness for the moment,

1424
01:21:48,720 --> 01:21:53,639
Speaker 2: just let the elders handle will handle. I guarantee you say, hey,

1425
01:21:53,720 --> 01:21:57,080
Speaker 2: there's no more public benefits, social programs for more homelessness.

1426
01:21:57,400 --> 01:22:00,920
Speaker 2: So you eighteen clan leaders to go talk to your

1427
01:22:00,920 --> 01:22:03,360
Speaker 2: plans and figure it out for the banks.

1428
01:22:04,320 --> 01:22:06,320
Speaker 1: I guarantee you we'll handle it. You know, it sounds

1429
01:22:06,320 --> 01:22:09,120
Speaker 1: like a very rational political strategy to me. To me,

1430
01:22:09,920 --> 01:22:12,479
Speaker 1: I mean because I love the fact that in Asian

1431
01:22:13,040 --> 01:22:16,280
Speaker 1: culture I would be taken care of by my children.

1432
01:22:16,520 --> 01:22:19,200
Speaker 1: I love that. Now, of course, that requires me to

1433
01:22:19,200 --> 01:22:22,920
Speaker 1: be a better parent, you know, you know I don't.

1434
01:22:23,240 --> 01:22:25,680
Speaker 1: The benefit of social security is we don't have to

1435
01:22:25,680 --> 01:22:28,519
Speaker 1: be very good parents because the government is going to

1436
01:22:28,520 --> 01:22:31,639
Speaker 1: take care of us. This is so screwed up. This

1437
01:22:31,680 --> 01:22:36,559
Speaker 1: is the depth to which we've lost it here now,

1438
01:22:36,680 --> 01:22:43,000
Speaker 1: and so to get this back is going to require wisdom, courage, tenacity.

1439
01:22:44,080 --> 01:22:48,080
Speaker 1: There's a Chinese word of jina endurance, endurance.

1440
01:22:49,320 --> 01:22:53,120
Speaker 2: Most of all the operati bird that you said is courage.

1441
01:22:53,320 --> 01:22:56,160
Speaker 2: You're going to have courage first. All the other stuff

1442
01:22:56,160 --> 01:22:57,280
Speaker 2: will fall in line behind.

1443
01:22:57,520 --> 01:22:58,879
Speaker 1: Courage is the most important.

1444
01:22:59,640 --> 01:23:01,479
Speaker 2: If you don't don't have that courage to stand up

1445
01:23:01,560 --> 01:23:06,160
Speaker 2: or you know, speak up first, ain't nothing else again, well,

1446
01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:09,080
Speaker 2: you were raised by a courageous man. For my father,

1447
01:23:09,200 --> 01:23:12,800
Speaker 2: there was only right and wrong, white and black. You know,

1448
01:23:13,120 --> 01:23:15,320
Speaker 2: he was a simple guy. Well, let let's just talk

1449
01:23:15,360 --> 01:23:16,599
Speaker 2: because you live where you die.

1450
01:23:16,920 --> 01:23:19,759
Speaker 1: Let's just take a minute, and I want you to

1451
01:23:19,840 --> 01:23:22,639
Speaker 1: just if if you can talk about your brother's passing.

1452
01:23:23,200 --> 01:23:26,240
Speaker 1: Because your brother, as I understand it, was he not

1453
01:23:27,200 --> 01:23:29,320
Speaker 1: leading the clanet when he passed on.

1454
01:23:29,600 --> 01:23:33,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, when my father passed away fourteen years ago, Uh,

1455
01:23:33,760 --> 01:23:37,000
Speaker 2: the elders elected him to carry that mantle. So there

1456
01:23:37,040 --> 01:23:42,519
Speaker 2: is an election. Yeah. Well there wasn't raising hands or anything.

1457
01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:45,080
Speaker 2: They just it's a different kind of election. Yeah.

1458
01:23:45,120 --> 01:23:46,880
Speaker 1: I'm not going to be able to understand it unless

1459
01:23:46,880 --> 01:23:47,839
Speaker 1: I speak your language.

1460
01:23:47,880 --> 01:23:51,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, yep. So there is a process. But so

1461
01:23:51,240 --> 01:23:54,800
Speaker 2: he was elected and selected for that position, and he

1462
01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:56,840
Speaker 2: held that and you know, did that very well for

1463
01:23:56,880 --> 01:24:00,679
Speaker 2: fourteen years and he recently about two months ago. Yeah,

1464
01:24:01,160 --> 01:24:06,240
Speaker 2: so he passed on. But but going back to what

1465
01:24:06,280 --> 01:24:09,920
Speaker 2: you were saying, or what we were talking about, I

1466
01:24:09,920 --> 01:24:11,400
Speaker 2: have a black friend. I have a lot a bad

1467
01:24:11,479 --> 01:24:16,800
Speaker 2: black friends. And he was telling me when that's probably

1468
01:24:16,840 --> 01:24:19,920
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago, he said, child, be very careful.

1469
01:24:20,479 --> 01:24:24,520
Speaker 2: Used my community as an example, don't be like us.

1470
01:24:24,920 --> 01:24:27,400
Speaker 2: I don't want fifty years for you know you, if

1471
01:24:27,439 --> 01:24:29,800
Speaker 2: you're still alive, look back and say, hey, how come

1472
01:24:29,880 --> 01:24:32,400
Speaker 2: we're like the black community and what he was talking about.

1473
01:24:32,600 --> 01:24:38,240
Speaker 2: Don't get stuck in this system, this perpetual poverty system,

1474
01:24:38,360 --> 01:24:42,040
Speaker 2: or whatever system you want called. I see, I have

1475
01:24:42,080 --> 01:24:47,759
Speaker 2: a friend. I met him, I think in the mid nineties.

1476
01:24:48,720 --> 01:24:51,240
Speaker 2: I think he was in Mountain Airy public housing. He's

1477
01:24:51,240 --> 01:24:54,439
Speaker 2: still in public healthing. I talked to him like maybe

1478
01:24:54,439 --> 01:24:56,960
Speaker 2: two months ago, just to see how he's doing, and

1479
01:24:57,000 --> 01:25:00,559
Speaker 2: he said he's fine. He said, are you happy? I'm fine?

1480
01:25:00,600 --> 01:25:03,360
Speaker 2: You know, you know, I pay a little bit for howling.

1481
01:25:03,880 --> 01:25:06,240
Speaker 2: I get some you know, public selfided and all that,

1482
01:25:06,360 --> 01:25:11,040
Speaker 2: so I'm fine. So he's comfortable. That's the danger is

1483
01:25:11,080 --> 01:25:13,080
Speaker 2: when you get comfortable in the system like that.

1484
01:25:13,680 --> 01:25:16,559
Speaker 1: Do you have some thoughts for your community to move

1485
01:25:18,560 --> 01:25:20,400
Speaker 1: the people that are caught in the system to you.

1486
01:25:20,479 --> 01:25:23,000
Speaker 1: I'm trying to put you on the spot, and I'm

1487
01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:25,120
Speaker 1: not expecting you to have an answer, but maybe you

1488
01:25:25,200 --> 01:25:28,240
Speaker 1: thought about it. You have an answer. Is there some

1489
01:25:28,320 --> 01:25:33,040
Speaker 1: strategy within the Klan to move these people towards self governance?

1490
01:25:34,040 --> 01:25:36,720
Speaker 2: For those that have been in the system too long

1491
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Speaker 2: number one. They've been system till the number two. They're

1492
01:25:38,760 --> 01:25:42,920
Speaker 2: too old now to basically start start a new life.

1493
01:25:43,520 --> 01:25:47,080
Speaker 2: So but I'm not saying they can't improve their life.

1494
01:25:47,160 --> 01:25:48,680
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, they can go out and you know,

1495
01:25:48,760 --> 01:25:52,880
Speaker 2: study and learn new things and enrich themselves personally. So

1496
01:25:53,080 --> 01:25:54,680
Speaker 2: when the Good Lord takes them, at least you know

1497
01:25:54,840 --> 01:25:57,559
Speaker 2: they have the benefit. Hey, my eyes are wider open

1498
01:25:57,600 --> 01:26:01,280
Speaker 2: now and I see further are their children. It a

1499
01:26:01,320 --> 01:26:03,840
Speaker 2: lot of some of the children have been able to

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Speaker 2: get out of that system. I'd say fifty percent to

1501
01:26:09,160 --> 01:26:11,280
Speaker 2: get out. Fifty percent are still struggling.

1502
01:26:11,960 --> 01:26:14,040
Speaker 1: Well that's probably a higher percentage than some of the

1503
01:26:14,080 --> 01:26:17,160
Speaker 1: other Yeah, it is higher, but but fifty percent struggling

1504
01:26:17,240 --> 01:26:19,599
Speaker 1: is still a lot. And then of course, if you're

1505
01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:24,720
Speaker 1: electing people from the community and they join the dependency party,

1506
01:26:25,240 --> 01:26:27,960
Speaker 1: that doesn't help. I would presume. Do we have some

1507
01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:30,519
Speaker 1: people coming out from the among community that are running

1508
01:26:30,560 --> 01:26:31,360
Speaker 1: as Republicans?

1509
01:26:31,360 --> 01:26:34,280
Speaker 2: We do, don't We we do. But I tell you this,

1510
01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:40,040
Speaker 2: and you guys probably know, Baron I do. The inner core,

1511
01:26:40,760 --> 01:26:43,519
Speaker 2: not just Saint Paul Minneapois, but the intercour is mostly

1512
01:26:43,840 --> 01:26:48,120
Speaker 2: you know, a low income of folks, mostly because of

1513
01:26:48,479 --> 01:26:50,559
Speaker 2: and and they're in those systems, so they see the

1514
01:26:50,600 --> 01:26:53,840
Speaker 2: benefits of the systems. So if you're a Republican, you're

1515
01:26:53,880 --> 01:26:57,760
Speaker 2: talking about, hey, you know, self improvement, you know, pull

1516
01:26:57,800 --> 01:27:01,519
Speaker 2: yourself up by your boots, work hard, don't depend on

1517
01:27:01,560 --> 01:27:06,000
Speaker 2: the government that doesn't resonate so well with them compared

1518
01:27:06,040 --> 01:27:07,800
Speaker 2: to the guy who says, hey, he lect me, sort

1519
01:27:07,800 --> 01:27:10,840
Speaker 2: of like Mundami, right, you lect me free busses, free food,

1520
01:27:10,880 --> 01:27:16,640
Speaker 2: free healthcare. They're struggling in life. If they believe that

1521
01:27:16,680 --> 01:27:18,879
Speaker 2: I'm going to give them free, free, free, free stuff

1522
01:27:19,000 --> 01:27:21,360
Speaker 2: and make their life better, which they believe it will be,

1523
01:27:21,880 --> 01:27:23,360
Speaker 2: then of course they're going to vote for me. So

1524
01:27:23,479 --> 01:27:25,920
Speaker 2: in those districts it's hard for a Republican to win.

1525
01:27:26,720 --> 01:27:30,599
Speaker 2: And that's just I'm not saying it's impossible, but when

1526
01:27:30,640 --> 01:27:34,479
Speaker 2: you're on a campaign trail and you deliver your speech

1527
01:27:34,520 --> 01:27:36,000
Speaker 2: to them, say hey, you know, I'm going to build

1528
01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:37,880
Speaker 2: you guys a bear life. But you've got you know,

1529
01:27:37,920 --> 01:27:40,440
Speaker 2: you've got to be tough, you've got to go to school,

1530
01:27:41,280 --> 01:27:44,679
Speaker 2: you got to sacrifice, and maybe ten years from now

1531
01:27:44,840 --> 01:27:48,920
Speaker 2: you'll own the house. Or as the other guy says, yeah, listen,

1532
01:27:49,000 --> 01:27:51,360
Speaker 2: you know, the Republicans don't care about you. You know,

1533
01:27:51,800 --> 01:27:54,160
Speaker 2: he's got to try to cut the funding that's going

1534
01:27:54,200 --> 01:27:56,200
Speaker 2: to put food on your table or pay for your

1535
01:27:56,200 --> 01:27:58,200
Speaker 2: health care. That resonates.

1536
01:27:58,400 --> 01:28:02,599
Speaker 1: What do Republicans need to say? What would what would be?

1537
01:28:02,920 --> 01:28:05,680
Speaker 2: I don't think it's so much saying, because anybody can

1538
01:28:05,720 --> 01:28:09,799
Speaker 2: say anything, not words. Yeah, action speaks louder than the words.

1539
01:28:09,880 --> 01:28:11,519
Speaker 2: And it's got to be sincere, like you were talking

1540
01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:14,800
Speaker 2: about earlier. You you're not going to change, you know,

1541
01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:19,160
Speaker 2: change the course of this ship in one trip. It's

1542
01:28:19,160 --> 01:28:21,280
Speaker 2: got to be a long term strategy. And you gotta

1543
01:28:21,280 --> 01:28:24,479
Speaker 2: be sincere. You got to show up, show up, do

1544
01:28:24,640 --> 01:28:27,839
Speaker 2: clan meetings, show up to festivals. If there's a prominent

1545
01:28:27,840 --> 01:28:29,120
Speaker 2: person that dies, show up.

1546
01:28:29,680 --> 01:28:32,559
Speaker 1: There's a fifty year anniversary coming up. Isn't there speaking

1547
01:28:32,600 --> 01:28:34,400
Speaker 1: this festival the fifty year anniversary?

1548
01:28:34,439 --> 01:28:36,840
Speaker 2: And is there a big festival coming There is coming

1549
01:28:36,880 --> 01:28:38,560
Speaker 2: on the twenty ninth and thirtieth.

1550
01:28:38,439 --> 01:28:41,479
Speaker 1: Of November, YEP at the River Center in Saint Paul.

1551
01:28:41,680 --> 01:28:43,479
Speaker 2: Not this coming weekend, but the following weekend.

1552
01:28:43,800 --> 01:28:47,240
Speaker 1: There's going to be a fifty year celebration which every

1553
01:28:47,280 --> 01:28:48,720
Speaker 1: American citizen.

1554
01:28:48,280 --> 01:28:50,120
Speaker 2: Could go to. It's open to the pub, open to

1555
01:28:50,120 --> 01:28:50,599
Speaker 2: the public.

1556
01:28:50,640 --> 01:28:53,720
Speaker 1: It's at the River Center downtown Saint Paul, yep And

1557
01:28:53,800 --> 01:28:55,839
Speaker 1: I heard tell there's going to be some twenty thousand

1558
01:28:55,840 --> 01:28:56,760
Speaker 1: people going to attend this.

1559
01:28:56,800 --> 01:29:01,800
Speaker 2: Twenty thousand people. You're gonna see all the pageantry from

1560
01:29:01,880 --> 01:29:05,200
Speaker 2: the Moan community. We've got our cultural dances, cultural music.

1561
01:29:06,200 --> 01:29:10,920
Speaker 2: You've got the Missus Minnesota first time this year, MISSUS Minnesota,

1562
01:29:10,960 --> 01:29:14,240
Speaker 2: Moan Minnesota, and the missmone Minnesota. And then you have

1563
01:29:14,360 --> 01:29:18,840
Speaker 2: dance groups. And you can't have a festival without politicians.

1564
01:29:18,920 --> 01:29:19,680
Speaker 2: Have politicians coming?

1565
01:29:19,800 --> 01:29:21,160
Speaker 1: Is there going to be a booth there for the

1566
01:29:21,160 --> 01:29:23,360
Speaker 1: Republican Party of Minnesota. Did they get a booth?

1567
01:29:23,600 --> 01:29:24,559
Speaker 2: I don't think they're the booth.

1568
01:29:25,240 --> 01:29:27,559
Speaker 1: Is there a booth there for the Democrat Party of Minnesota? No,

1569
01:29:27,640 --> 01:29:30,160
Speaker 1: but no, no, no booth. But they're welcome to come.

1570
01:29:30,280 --> 01:29:32,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've got speakers from both sides of dial.

1571
01:29:33,920 --> 01:29:35,679
Speaker 1: You have candidates speaking at this deal.

1572
01:29:37,040 --> 01:29:38,519
Speaker 2: I don't know if the candidates they're coming.

1573
01:29:39,160 --> 01:29:40,960
Speaker 1: Oh, I know I can get some candidates there in

1574
01:29:40,960 --> 01:29:44,120
Speaker 1: the heartbeat. Boy, if I can get on, If I

1575
01:29:44,200 --> 01:29:46,600
Speaker 1: get some candidates on the agenda, I could put in

1576
01:29:46,640 --> 01:29:50,640
Speaker 1: a bunch of them. The point is what try is

1577
01:29:50,720 --> 01:29:55,160
Speaker 1: saying American citizens that live here in Minnesota. You know,

1578
01:29:55,320 --> 01:29:58,559
Speaker 1: self governance, you know what you can do. You can

1579
01:29:58,600 --> 01:30:01,599
Speaker 1: show up at the deal and get to know your neighbors. Yeah,

1580
01:30:01,680 --> 01:30:04,439
Speaker 1: wouldn't that be cool? What?

1581
01:30:04,840 --> 01:30:10,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's Saturday and Sunday. They have a ribbon

1582
01:30:10,640 --> 01:30:13,360
Speaker 2: cutting at ten thirty in the morning on Saturday, Okay,

1583
01:30:13,520 --> 01:30:15,439
Speaker 2: and that kicks off the whole thing and then it

1584
01:30:15,840 --> 01:30:19,679
Speaker 2: runs until like midnight every night. Does the Chinese community

1585
01:30:19,720 --> 01:30:21,639
Speaker 2: interact with the monk community in Saint Paul?

1586
01:30:22,439 --> 01:30:25,120
Speaker 1: That's not so much though, Yeah, and that's because of

1587
01:30:25,160 --> 01:30:27,960
Speaker 1: the traditional there's a traditional tension there.

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01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:30,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a little tension there. Yeah. Could that be

1589
01:30:30,920 --> 01:30:33,599
Speaker 2: healed here in the United States of America. I think

1590
01:30:33,640 --> 01:30:37,760
Speaker 2: it can be healed. You know, this sounds like a joke,

1591
01:30:37,800 --> 01:30:40,720
Speaker 2: but we reached across to them all time because we

1592
01:30:40,920 --> 01:30:43,639
Speaker 2: eat Chinese food all times. So we need to invite

1593
01:30:43,640 --> 01:30:44,639
Speaker 2: them to come eat monk food.

1594
01:30:44,960 --> 01:30:47,679
Speaker 1: Well, you know what, I'll bring the head man.

1595
01:30:48,040 --> 01:30:50,960
Speaker 2: Okay, we'll have it. We'll have a sit down. That'll

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01:30:51,000 --> 01:30:51,320
Speaker 2: be good.

1597
01:30:51,439 --> 01:30:52,400
Speaker 1: What are we going to drink?

1598
01:30:54,400 --> 01:30:57,280
Speaker 2: More? People drink everything?

1599
01:30:57,320 --> 01:30:59,400
Speaker 1: I mean, can we have a McCallan or do we

1600
01:30:59,479 --> 01:31:02,680
Speaker 1: have some like Bay Joe or I mean what is

1601
01:31:02,720 --> 01:31:06,360
Speaker 1: there a traditional moonshine that the monk people make in

1602
01:31:06,400 --> 01:31:07,480
Speaker 1: the mountaintops.

1603
01:31:07,560 --> 01:31:09,080
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know if we can talk about that

1604
01:31:09,120 --> 01:31:12,880
Speaker 2: on the air here, can we? Dam itated? I didn't

1605
01:31:12,880 --> 01:31:16,559
Speaker 2: say it, all right, I know nothing about anything like that.

1606
01:31:19,320 --> 01:31:21,759
Speaker 1: Well, we're going to try to what I'm all about,

1607
01:31:22,600 --> 01:31:27,439
Speaker 1: just to end the podcast. You know, I love my

1608
01:31:27,600 --> 01:31:31,160
Speaker 1: state and I love my community, But more than anything,

1609
01:31:31,200 --> 01:31:33,599
Speaker 1: I love the fact that I can have religious freedom

1610
01:31:33,880 --> 01:31:36,439
Speaker 1: in the United States of America. Why my people came

1611
01:31:36,479 --> 01:31:39,439
Speaker 1: here instead of going to Israel. They didn't want to

1612
01:31:39,439 --> 01:31:41,519
Speaker 1: go to a war zone, right, they didn't want to

1613
01:31:41,520 --> 01:31:44,000
Speaker 1: go hang on with a bunch of socialists, and that's

1614
01:31:44,000 --> 01:31:47,719
Speaker 1: who populated Israel back in the day. They wanted economic freedom,

1615
01:31:47,720 --> 01:31:49,840
Speaker 1: they wanted religious freedom. That's what they wanted.

1616
01:31:50,439 --> 01:31:50,920
Speaker 2: I grew up.

1617
01:31:51,040 --> 01:31:54,280
Speaker 1: I loved that idea. I don't want anybody to infringe

1618
01:31:54,320 --> 01:31:58,679
Speaker 1: on my religious freedom. And I know the Marxists, that's

1619
01:31:58,720 --> 01:32:01,320
Speaker 1: what their game is, right, they don't want me to

1620
01:32:01,360 --> 01:32:03,560
Speaker 1: have that right. They don't want me to be economically

1621
01:32:03,640 --> 01:32:07,679
Speaker 1: self sufficient. So because I have those desires, I want

1622
01:32:07,680 --> 01:32:12,120
Speaker 1: to break bread with all of the different communities and

1623
01:32:12,200 --> 01:32:17,439
Speaker 1: make one. It's a community of community of American citizens.

1624
01:32:17,520 --> 01:32:19,639
Speaker 1: Right when I look at you, I'm gonna tell you, frankly,

1625
01:32:20,240 --> 01:32:23,240
Speaker 1: I can see but that's not what I see. I

1626
01:32:23,320 --> 01:32:27,080
Speaker 1: just see another fellow American citizen of experience and of

1627
01:32:27,520 --> 01:32:30,559
Speaker 1: stature in this community. I'm very pleased to meet you.

1628
01:32:31,080 --> 01:32:33,639
Speaker 1: I welcome you back. We didn't even get we didn't

1629
01:32:33,680 --> 01:32:34,800
Speaker 1: even get to a lot of the stuff.

1630
01:32:34,840 --> 01:32:36,719
Speaker 2: I mean that bit. You've got stories you could tell

1631
01:32:37,439 --> 01:32:40,200
Speaker 2: fill up four hours easy. We're gonna need a lot

1632
01:32:40,240 --> 01:32:40,840
Speaker 2: of sessions.

1633
01:32:41,280 --> 01:32:45,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm you know what we're doing. We're laison

1634
01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:49,160
Speaker 1: with the smaller community. I got the Jewish community naturally

1635
01:32:49,160 --> 01:32:50,479
Speaker 1: that a lot of them don't like me, but a

1636
01:32:50,479 --> 01:32:53,040
Speaker 1: lot of them like me. Now, we got outreach with

1637
01:32:53,080 --> 01:32:56,680
Speaker 1: the Vietnamese community, I got outreach with Chinese community. Among community,

1638
01:32:57,400 --> 01:32:59,639
Speaker 1: I'm gonna work on getting in involved with the Native

1639
01:32:59,640 --> 01:33:04,200
Speaker 1: American community, which I have connections with. Why we're American citizens,

1640
01:33:05,120 --> 01:33:08,639
Speaker 1: they want to divide us so they can rule over us.

1641
01:33:09,000 --> 01:33:10,800
Speaker 1: That makes sense to you, as that makes that son

1642
01:33:10,880 --> 01:33:11,720
Speaker 1: of a military man.

1643
01:33:11,960 --> 01:33:14,160
Speaker 2: That makes sense. And I want to just applaud you

1644
01:33:14,200 --> 01:33:17,200
Speaker 2: for the work that you're doing. Like like you said,

1645
01:33:17,200 --> 01:33:19,840
Speaker 2: when I look at you, you know, I see you physically.

1646
01:33:20,280 --> 01:33:22,479
Speaker 2: But what more important is how I feel about you.

1647
01:33:22,920 --> 01:33:24,080
Speaker 2: And I feel good about.

1648
01:33:23,800 --> 01:33:26,240
Speaker 1: You well that that means a lot to me because

1649
01:33:27,000 --> 01:33:29,000
Speaker 1: I'm looking at you the same way. I didn't tell

1650
01:33:29,040 --> 01:33:34,799
Speaker 1: you how many years I spent studying self Chinese culture.

1651
01:33:34,960 --> 01:33:37,640
Speaker 1: I mean, you're Chinese, right pretty much. I mean, when

1652
01:33:37,680 --> 01:33:39,880
Speaker 1: it comes right down to it, That's why I thought

1653
01:33:39,880 --> 01:33:41,840
Speaker 1: you were going to pull out some by Joe or

1654
01:33:41,880 --> 01:33:45,599
Speaker 1: some kind. But I'm very glad you're here. I want

1655
01:33:45,600 --> 01:33:48,559
Speaker 1: to wish you good health and good luck and have

1656
01:33:48,640 --> 01:33:51,320
Speaker 1: a great festival. And I'm going to come over there

1657
01:33:51,360 --> 01:33:55,160
Speaker 1: myself because I want to see what this is about.

1658
01:33:55,240 --> 01:33:59,200
Speaker 1: And I'm going to show up Tanner. Yeah, we're going

1659
01:33:59,240 --> 01:34:00,960
Speaker 1: over to the fest of Are you going to be

1660
01:34:01,040 --> 01:34:01,479
Speaker 1: in town?

1661
01:34:01,640 --> 01:34:03,400
Speaker 2: I was looking at my schedule. I should be in town.

1662
01:34:03,479 --> 01:34:06,000
Speaker 1: Great, We're going cool. I'll meet you here on Sunday.

1663
01:34:06,040 --> 01:34:09,240
Speaker 2: We'll drive over. There's gonna be great food there. There's

1664
01:34:09,280 --> 01:34:11,400
Speaker 2: a lot of great foods. And I was just gonna say,

1665
01:34:11,439 --> 01:34:13,200
Speaker 2: you need to get Taner out more often.

1666
01:34:13,360 --> 01:34:16,439
Speaker 3: But I want to finish with a question because I

1667
01:34:16,479 --> 01:34:20,040
Speaker 3: realized that I do know something about the area, and

1668
01:34:20,160 --> 01:34:22,360
Speaker 3: I have a very interesting question.

1669
01:34:22,720 --> 01:34:25,559
Speaker 2: If you know anything about it the Plane of Jars.

1670
01:34:25,760 --> 01:34:26,880
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, what boy?

1671
01:34:26,920 --> 01:34:27,200
Speaker 1: Is that?

1672
01:34:27,240 --> 01:34:30,680
Speaker 2: What went right after? It didn't? Well, you know, they've

1673
01:34:30,720 --> 01:34:34,240
Speaker 2: got all these jars out there and the history of

1674
01:34:34,280 --> 01:34:37,679
Speaker 2: the story and it's probably not true is that there

1675
01:34:37,760 --> 01:34:39,760
Speaker 2: used to be giants out there and that's why there's

1676
01:34:39,800 --> 01:34:44,000
Speaker 2: those giant jars out there. But I think historically they

1677
01:34:44,040 --> 01:34:46,320
Speaker 2: said those are barrier barrier urns.

1678
01:34:46,479 --> 01:34:48,759
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I was just I had read it and

1679
01:34:49,120 --> 01:34:52,280
Speaker 3: actually glad you brought that up because my father gifted

1680
01:34:52,560 --> 01:34:55,040
Speaker 3: one of those jars just like almost two thousand pounds

1681
01:34:55,479 --> 01:34:56,360
Speaker 3: to the CIA.

1682
01:34:57,120 --> 01:35:00,679
Speaker 2: Wow. Wasn't that also a place of lots of fight? Yeah,

1683
01:35:00,760 --> 01:35:02,920
Speaker 2: because it was flat, so it was a grateg place,

1684
01:35:03,160 --> 01:35:09,240
Speaker 2: so that that jar is actually at the Smithfoli Spacephonium. Wow. Yeah.

1685
01:35:09,280 --> 01:35:11,240
Speaker 1: Well, it was great to have you in. I want

1686
01:35:11,240 --> 01:35:14,040
Speaker 1: to thank you for coming Ava, thank you for coming in.

1687
01:35:14,040 --> 01:35:17,120
Speaker 1: And also Tanner, thank you. It's great. We're going to

1688
01:35:17,120 --> 01:35:17,720
Speaker 1: see you soon.

1689
01:35:17,880 --> 01:35:18,080
Speaker 3: Yep.

1690
01:35:18,160 --> 01:35:19,800
Speaker 1: It was nice to meet you, sir. Pay Let's just

1691
01:35:20,000 --> 01:35:23,160
Speaker 1: watch out here. Thank you so much. Thank you, very

1692
01:35:23,240 --> 01:35:25,439
Speaker 1: nice to meet you. Tanner, Thanks very much.

1693
01:35:25,400 --> 01:35:27,760
Speaker 2: Of course, thank you Tanner, of course, appreciate it. Have

1694
01:35:27,800 --> 01:35:30,160
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1699
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