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Speaker 1: got the Giants Podcast Network. Welcome to the newest edition

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Speaker 1: have Dave Hellman from Dallas Cowboys dot Com, one of

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Speaker 1: of I'm Gonna get it right. The Washington Commanders, gentlemen, welcome.

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Speaker 1: It's good to see you. We are about two weeks away.

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Speaker 1: The excitement is building. How are you guys already jump in?

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Speaker 1: a couple of weeks. Absolutely. Um, it should be good, guys,

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Speaker 1: So let's get into it. Just to remind our folks,

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Speaker 1: All right, here we go, guys. It's an interesting draft.

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Speaker 1: Let's start here, I guess with me because we're the

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Speaker 1: we are. The Giants are at five and seven, and

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Speaker 1: I'll start here, and I think the Giants are pretty

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Speaker 1: And we'll start with you, bram as the strength of

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Speaker 1: speed for kuway Walker and Nakobe Dean, with all the intangibles,

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Speaker 1: pure raw range for Channing Tindal. But then you get

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Speaker 1: into the Chad Momas and the Christian harris Is of

431
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Speaker 1: the world. Uh, the Demon Clark from LSU would have

432
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Speaker 1: been in that discussion if not for the injury. He

433
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Speaker 1: had spinal fusion surgery just a couple of weeks ago.

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Speaker 1: So I think when you look at this linebacker group

435
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Speaker 1: on the whole, it's really fun, intriguing class. Now it's

436
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Speaker 1: just a matter of how teams value those players and

437
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Speaker 1: compare them to others. I know that John, you know

438
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Speaker 1: there's been a lot of talk with Joe Shane with

439
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Speaker 1: the prior already being placed on those those key positions,

440
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Speaker 1: you know, the high value positions of quarterback, tackle, pass rusher, corner.

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Speaker 1: You can throw a receiver in there as well. Linebacker

442
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Speaker 1: obviously not high up on that list for a lot

443
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Speaker 1: of teams, and so that's really what's going to affect

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Speaker 1: the value for some of them, but ultimately for those linebackers,

445
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Speaker 1: if you're gonna really hit that value to be a

446
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Speaker 1: first round pick, I think you've got to be what

447
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Speaker 1: Parsons was to a certain extent in terms of being

448
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Speaker 1: able to get after the quarterback, and that stack production

449
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Speaker 1: is really what helps you kind of reach that ceiling

450
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Speaker 1: from a value standpoint, you know. I think Dave brought

451
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Speaker 1: this up too. I mean that you guys have Jon Curse, right,

452
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Speaker 1: he's a safety, but he's basically your dime nickel linebackers.

453
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Speaker 1: So a lot of times one true linebackers on the

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Speaker 1: field on in passing situations now when games are won

455
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Speaker 1: a laws, So what type of player even do you

456
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Speaker 1: want in that role? Now? It's it's it's tough, yeah,

457
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Speaker 1: I mean I use the analogy all the time. Like

458
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Speaker 1: defense in the NFL is starting to remind me a

459
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Speaker 1: little bit of basketball, Like basketball has become this position

460
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Speaker 1: list sport where you've got you know, six eight, six

461
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Speaker 1: nine players playing point, then up into the paint shooting,

462
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Speaker 1: and that's what that's what this looks like in my opinion.

463
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Speaker 1: I mean, Steven Jones kind of did the work for

464
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Speaker 1: us when he was like, maybe linebacker is not a

465
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Speaker 1: huge need for us because that's basically what Curses, which

466
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Speaker 1: is totally true. Like he lived in the box last year.

467
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Speaker 1: Uh he came down and dealt with tight ends. He

468
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Speaker 1: was a dime linebacker uh Nicol as well, Like basically

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Speaker 1: any time they were in a passing situation, he was

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Speaker 1: down in the box and and let the free safety

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Speaker 1: handle the coverage duties. And so I think that applies

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Speaker 1: to a lot of stuff. Honestly, that's it's interesting to

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Speaker 1: think of Kyle Hamilton's in that way. I have no

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Speaker 1: idea how far he falls um, but people freak out

475
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Speaker 1: about his forty time and I do think that he

476
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Speaker 1: can He can play deep safety if that's what somebody

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Speaker 1: wants him to do, but he can also use him

478
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Speaker 1: nineteen other ways that make him valuable. He can be

479
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Speaker 1: in the box, he can be in the slot. He's

480
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Speaker 1: basically one of these Swiss Army knife types of players.

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Speaker 1: And I mean, fran you're totally right. I think you

482
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Speaker 1: get yourself in trouble looking for a guy like Mike

483
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Speaker 1: part since I mean, he was just made in a lab.

484
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Speaker 1: But I do think that ability to wear about six

485
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Speaker 1: different hats is what's gonna make guys valuable in the

486
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Speaker 1: draft process these next few years. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: I do think you know you talk about positions of value, right.

488
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Speaker 1: I do think having someone that can be that tight

489
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Speaker 1: end eliminator and zone guy in the middle of the

490
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Speaker 1: field now is really valuable. I think it's hard to find.

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Speaker 1: But if you can find that guy that can you know,

492
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Speaker 1: run support when you need to, can cover the tight end,

493
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Speaker 1: can cover on this slot and play that middle zone

494
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Speaker 1: like that is a premium spot, even if it's not

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Speaker 1: I think a traditional premium position, because frankly, those guys

496
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Speaker 1: with that multiple skill set are just really hard to

497
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Speaker 1: to find now, right, I mean, I think Hamilton's one

498
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Speaker 1: of those guys. You know, they're just aren't many of them,

499
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Speaker 1: Like God, you aren't not many two thirty five pound

500
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Speaker 1: guys that can you know, run a four or five

501
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Speaker 1: exist on this planet these days. It's just a it's

502
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Speaker 1: just a really hard spot to find. I think, all right,

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Speaker 1: let's go to wide receiver. We've all mentioned in it

504
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Speaker 1: in some way, shape or form here that that that

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Speaker 1: it's a need. But I think the question I'm wrestling

506
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Speaker 1: with now is you see these number one wide receivers

507
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Speaker 1: get traded because teams can't afford them. Other teams pay him.

508
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Speaker 1: You have eight or nine really good wide receivers coming

509
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Speaker 1: out in the draft each year. So, and I guess

510
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Speaker 1: brand will start with you when you calculate when you

511
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Speaker 1: attack the wide receiver positions and it's worth taking a

512
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Speaker 1: wide receiver in the first round when you can get

513
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Speaker 1: a good guy in the second round. When do you

514
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Speaker 1: pay one? How do you view and you know, you

515
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Speaker 1: guys are a great example. You found Terry mclauren on

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Speaker 1: Day two. He's a you know, top ten wide receiver

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Speaker 1: in the league, right, So, how are you guys weighing

518
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Speaker 1: wide receiver value when you attack them based on how

519
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Speaker 1: deep that classes every year? Now in the draft, Bran,

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Speaker 1: let's start with you. I mean, I think like one

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Speaker 1: of the most interesting storylines of this complete offseason is

522
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Speaker 1: what you just mentioned that people are paying, potentially overpaying, rechanging,

523
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Speaker 1: resetting the market, giving up massive amount of picks, especially

524
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Speaker 1: in the case of the Dolphins to Kansas City in

525
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Speaker 1: a draft for everybody universally believes this is one of

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Speaker 1: the deepest high end receiver drafts. So a lot of

527
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Speaker 1: these teams could have addressed this need and maybe not

528
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Speaker 1: gotten Tyree Killer Davante Adams, but could have gotten what

529
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Speaker 1: looks to be a very, very good high end receiver

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Speaker 1: at a rookie price without giving up the assets to

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Speaker 1: do it. So something's off with that market. It doesn't

532
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Speaker 1: really make a tremendous amount of sense to me. For Washington,

533
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Speaker 1: they're in a really interesting scenario, you know, for them, specifically,

534
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Speaker 1: they've got to pay Terry McLaurin. Now he's heading into

535
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Speaker 1: the last year of his deal. When you hit on

536
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Speaker 1: a mid round pick, it's awesome. The tough part is

537
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Speaker 1: he's making nothing against their cap and that's about to

538
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Speaker 1: change this summer. So they're going to they're not gonna

539
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Speaker 1: move him. They love him, he's a core guy. They're

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Speaker 1: going to give him probably something commensurate to twenty plus

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Speaker 1: million dollars a year, you know, starting um this summer.

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Speaker 1: That said, they don't feel like they're receiving corps is

543
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Speaker 1: dynamic enough. Um. The hope is Curtis Samuel will be

544
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Speaker 1: back and he'll be utilized in almost this position flex

545
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,639
Speaker 1: type running back receiver slot, that whole thing. That was

546
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Speaker 1: the plan with him. We'll see now if he can

547
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Speaker 1: get healthy and come back. And then they had drafted

548
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Speaker 1: Diammy Brown last year in the third round, and he

549
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Speaker 1: was supposed to be their classic deep threat that also

550
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Speaker 1: did not play out. So to your point of they

551
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Speaker 1: hit on a guy like McLaurin, and there's a lot

552
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Speaker 1: of good receivers. They were saying the same things about Brown,

553
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Speaker 1: but he didn't end up filling that role, at least

554
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Speaker 1: not as a rookie. Right. They're not giving up on him.

555
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Speaker 1: It's just that they recognize they need more weapons out

556
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Speaker 1: there and more explosiveness, and that's why wide receiver is

557
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Speaker 1: a prime target for them, especially at eleven, and if not,

558
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Speaker 1: they're then likely in the second round because there will

559
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Speaker 1: be good options. But you know, as you know, every

560
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Speaker 1: team likes their guy, and it appears that Crystal Lavy

561
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Speaker 1: has caught the attention of this staff and so I

562
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Speaker 1: think he's gonna be an interesting one for them to

563
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Speaker 1: pass up. And I think they're only going to pass

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Speaker 1: him up if there's a specific name or two that

565
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Speaker 1: are still on the board. Dave, I think you guys

566
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Speaker 1: are an interesting vision with wide receiver. Right, how much

567
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Speaker 1: different do you think the receiver is gonna be that

568
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Speaker 1: you can get it twenty four versus where you can

569
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Speaker 1: get with your second round pick at fifty six. That's um,

570
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Speaker 1: That's the thing that I keep wrestling with to be

571
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Speaker 1: honest with you, because honestly, the Cowboys are a fascinating

572
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Speaker 1: case study with this, and I mean, we can get

573
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Speaker 1: into a Mari if y'all want to. I struggle with

574
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Speaker 1: that because we had Will McClay on our podcast at

575
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Speaker 1: the Combine in Indianapolis, the Cowboys executive vice president player personnel,

576
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Speaker 1: the guy that puts their draft board together, and he

577
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Speaker 1: basically he said he was like five or six freaks

578
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 1: come out every year and you can kind of set

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Speaker 1: your watch to it. And so if NFL decision makers

580
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Speaker 1: feel that way, I think that gives you some great

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Speaker 1: insight into why you see them moving on from some

582
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Speaker 1: of these players. Having said that, do I think a

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Speaker 1: guy they're gonna find in the draft is better than

584
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Speaker 1: a Marie Cooper right away? Not? Not really, And you again,

585
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Speaker 1: you can kind of see a play out. Michael Gallup

586
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 1: is a fantastic example. Cowboys drafted him eighty first overall,

587
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Speaker 1: he's been an unquestioned success. They gave him a seventy

588
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Speaker 1: million dollar contract. He's still only caught thirty three passes

589
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Speaker 1: as a rookie. I mean, if you're not if you're

590
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 1: not that CD Lamb caliber of guy, the guy that

591
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Speaker 1: you know, the first round pick that can step in

592
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Speaker 1: and start right away. You're asking a lot of rookie

593
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:16,119
Speaker 1: to to contribute that much right away. Again, Michael Gallup,

594
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Speaker 1: he had a productive rookie season, not the type of

595
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Speaker 1: rookie season that's gonna carry an offense or even be

596
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 1: a big, big part of it. Um So that makes

597
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,880
Speaker 1: me wonder. Obviously, they do have Lamb who they expect

598
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Speaker 1: to step into that number one role, and Gallup will

599
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 1: eventually be recovered from his a c L surgery, but

600
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Speaker 1: it's hard for me to imagine that a guy they

601
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Speaker 1: draft outside the first round is going to be ready

602
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 1: to be a stud right away. I just think that's

603
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,199
Speaker 1: a high expectation to put on anybody. What hyper receiver

604
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Speaker 1: Dave with the Cowboys looked atar they're looking for a

605
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 1: slot guy in X, because you know, all these guys

606
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 1: come in all shapes and sizes. I don't really think

607
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 1: it matters, at least not that much. Michael Gallup is

608
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 1: is a pretty p prototypical X receiver. He's a great

609
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,160
Speaker 1: contestant ball catcher, CD can do a little bit of both.

610
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Speaker 1: He's fantastic in the slot, but he can play outside,

611
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 1: so I think that gives them the flexibility to draft

612
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Speaker 1: whoever they like the most. My personal opinion is Dak Prescott.

613
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 1: He likes guys that get open. And I mean, I'll

614
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 1: be like, that sounds elementary, but Dak Prescott got he is.

615
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: And I don't mean this as an insult, but I

616
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Speaker 1: think he's a cautious quarterback in the sense that he's

617
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 1: he doesn't want to just letter rip like he wants

618
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Speaker 1: a guy that is obviously open that can beat his man.

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Speaker 1: Dak Prescott doesn't want to put the ball in harms

620
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: in a way. That's how he's managed to keep his

621
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Speaker 1: interception total so low all these years. And so me personally,

622
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Speaker 1: I'm looking for route runners, That's what I mean. You know, Braham,

623
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Speaker 1: it pains me to hear how much Washington loves Chris

624
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Speaker 1: Olave because I think he would do wonders in this

625
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 1: offense just with his route running ability, the way that

626
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Speaker 1: he can create separation. That's a guy that I think

627
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 1: would fit really well in this offense. But don't get

628
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 1: me wrong. I mean with Ceedee Lamb, Dalton Schultz, and

629
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Speaker 1: Michael Gallup on the field, I think just about anybody

630
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 1: could could have success here. Trailing Burke's would be a

631
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 1: heck of a lot of fun to watch as well. So,

632
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Speaker 1: like I said, I don't think it really matters. Just

633
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 1: get somebody with some talent and someone question for you.

634
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: You guys have Davante Smith, who can play inside, play outside.

635
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: You have to pick a fifty one, you pick a

636
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Speaker 1: fifteen and eighteen? Do you wait? Do you just get

637
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Speaker 1: one of the top guys that you know, maybe your favorite?

638
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: You might guys might get the second or third wide

639
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 1: receiver off the board of fifteen. How do you think

640
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 1: the Eagles are viewing this wide receiver board given what

641
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: you guys have on your roster. Yeah, I think that

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Speaker 1: you know, it's similar to what Dave said. When you

643
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Speaker 1: listen to Nick Sirianni talk about the wide receiver position,

644
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Speaker 1: and he was a former wide receiver in college and

645
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 1: a former wide receiver coach in the NFL, and so

646
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,239
Speaker 1: he's very infested in that position. He's not a big

647
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Speaker 1: believer in like putting the labels on guys and this

648
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Speaker 1: guy's an X, this GUY'SZ, this guy's a slot. I

649
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 1: think it's very similar to the discussion we were having

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Speaker 1: earlier about defense with linebackers and safeties. They look at

651
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Speaker 1: their receivers as all movable pieces, and so I don't

652
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 1: know that they're gonna look at it and said, all right,

653
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Speaker 1: we need a pure x to put opposite DeVante Smith.

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Speaker 1: I think they lined up. They lined up Davante s

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Speaker 1: it as an ex receiver last year, and he showed

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Speaker 1: the ability to win. They moved him into the slot

657
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 1: they moved and they had him on the move as disease.

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Speaker 1: So I don't think that they look at and say, Okay,

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Speaker 1: we need a big body opposite Davante. By the way,

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Speaker 1: they also have Dallas Godder who also is very capable

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Speaker 1: of lining up as an extra receiver and winning, And

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Speaker 1: so I don't know that they necessarily look at it

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Speaker 1: that way. To me, when I look at the just

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Speaker 1: a wide receiver market in general, big picture, it goes

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Speaker 1: back to John one of the first things you said

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Speaker 1: in this part of the discussion, there's kind of like

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Speaker 1: two forces that play here, right. You've got number one,

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Speaker 1: the the idea of hey, look, we love the idea

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Speaker 1: of getting a blue chip wide receiver talent and getting

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Speaker 1: him for five years, getting that extra year of flexibility

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Speaker 1: with that option with that fifth year option and say, okay,

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Speaker 1: we can lock this guy down before we have to

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Speaker 1: pay him and hopefully not but eventually potentially deal him.

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Speaker 1: Uh what the steen here this offseason with Davante Adams,

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Speaker 1: with Tyreek Kill, what we've seen in the past with

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Speaker 1: Stefon Diggs. But then there's the other side of it

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Speaker 1: where you looking you stop me when you hear a

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Speaker 1: first round pick guys. But I'm just like looking at

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Speaker 1: the list here and it's like Cooper Cup, Davante Adams,

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Speaker 1: Stefon Diggs, Keenan Allen, dk metcal Adam, Feeling, Allen Robinson,

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Speaker 1: Michael Thomas, Courtland Sutton, Kenny Golladay to Terry McLaren and

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Speaker 1: Tyler Lockett, Deebo, samuel A. J. Brown. You go down

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Speaker 1: the list, all these guys were not first round picks.

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Speaker 1: And so I think there's there's both ends of that

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Speaker 1: argument where you say, all right, well what do where

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Speaker 1: let's have some fun here, guys. Um, how do you

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Speaker 1: think the top four picks in this draft they're going

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Speaker 1: to go? I forget one of you guys mentioned now

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Speaker 1: and I think frand it was you. How unpredictable this

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Speaker 1: draft is gonna look like in the top ten. So

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Speaker 1: let's start with you, friend, how do you think the

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Speaker 1: first four picks in this draft a're gonna go? I'm

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Speaker 1: starting to buy into the smoke about Trey Vault Walker

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Speaker 1: going number one. I think we'll go. Let's let's go

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Speaker 1: Walker one too to Jacksonville. I think eight. Hutchinson slam

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Speaker 1: dunk to being a hometown kid with Detroit at number

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Speaker 1: two Houston, I would say offensive tackle. Uh and, so

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Speaker 1: we'll plug in an offensive tackle there. We'll say that

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Speaker 1: they decided to go Evan Neil. Let's go uh ikey

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Speaker 1: a Quanta for the Giants at four, Jets four. That's right,

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Speaker 1: let's go um. Let's go kame On Thibodeaux for the

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Speaker 1: Giants are for the Jets at four. Okay, so brand

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Speaker 1: you think heavy defense early as well? Uh yeah, I do.

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Speaker 1: I think heavy defense. First two picks, probably those two

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Speaker 1: that he named. I would assume, uh maybe the NC

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Speaker 1: State tackle at three and then uh four Jets. That

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Speaker 1: could be a surprise. That could be Sauce Gardner. Um,

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Speaker 1: that could be Kyle Hamilton's. I think it's a defensive

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Speaker 1: player for Robert Solo. That's what I think. Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: with you, Dave. You can either go top four. Just

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Speaker 1: give me what do you think in a big surprise

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Speaker 1: might be in this draft that you can't have on

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Speaker 1: your mind. Well, I it's not so much a surprise,

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Speaker 1: And I don't think either one of you all are wrong.

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Speaker 1: But don't don't get me wrong at all. I just

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Speaker 1: I wonder if Jacksonville is overthinking this a little bit

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Speaker 1: like there was. It's been all edge Rusher this entire time,

725
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Speaker 1: and I get it. But with respect to those guys

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Speaker 1: like I don't think Hutchinson, Walker or even Thibodeau are

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Speaker 1: like Miles Garrett sort of slam dunk like this guy

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Speaker 1: is definitely gonna get fifteen sacks a year, and you

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Speaker 1: just you just drafted Trevor Lawrence. I would feel bad.

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Speaker 1: I feel safe for taking one of these tackles at

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Speaker 1: number one overall and knowing that he can protect Trevor Lawrence.

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Speaker 1: I know they spent money on it in free agency.

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Speaker 1: I've seen one an amazing offensive line can do for

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Speaker 1: a young quarterback. I mean, that's how Dak Prescott got

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Speaker 1: his feet wet in the first place, was not having

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Speaker 1: to worry about getting sacked for the first two years

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Speaker 1: of his career. Um So, like I said, I don't

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Speaker 1: think y'all are wrong. If I had to guess, I

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Speaker 1: bet the Jacks do go defense. But I think that

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Speaker 1: might be a mistake. I guess that's my opinion. No, well,

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Speaker 1: I'm with you. I think, look, Cam Robinson's a solid player,

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Speaker 1: but if he's the reason you're not picking a great

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Speaker 1: offensive tackle, you know, I'm not sure if you're really

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Speaker 1: making the right cat Damon with you. I think you

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Speaker 1: know you draft and Trevor Lawrence number one. He's the

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Speaker 1: most literally, the most important person in your building. You

747
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Speaker 1: should do everything you can to try to help that

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Speaker 1: guy succeed. I happen to agree with you. Now the

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00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: Giants are hoping they go defensive then, because they want

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Speaker 1: one of those offensive tackles to drop to him. But

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Speaker 1: I totally get where you're coming from. Brand You mentioned

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Speaker 1: this earlier with the quarterbacks. Let's have fun with this.

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Speaker 1: How many quarterbacks in the first round of the draft

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Speaker 1: and who picks them? Brammh we start with you, oh Man, Okay.

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Speaker 1: I I know this is an unpopular pick, but I

756
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Speaker 1: do believe that Malik Willis will go in the top ten.

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Speaker 1: I just don't know to who. And I don't know

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Speaker 1: whether it's Carolina, Atlanta, someone trading up to get him.

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Speaker 1: I just I feel like that is happening. Um. And

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Speaker 1: then I believe Kenny Pickett will be selected in the

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Speaker 1: bottom half of the round somewhere by somebody, maybe the

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Speaker 1: Steelers something like that. New Orleans is an interesting one

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Speaker 1: to watch with the up the picks there now to

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Speaker 1: take a quarterback potentially, and I'll go with there will

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Speaker 1: be a third and I don't know if it's Matt

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Speaker 1: Corral or Desmond Ritter, but one of them goes late

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Speaker 1: in the first round. Fran, what do you think I like,

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Speaker 1: pick it to the Panthers. Um. You know they've got

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Speaker 1: one pick in the top one hundred and so obviously

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Speaker 1: the desperation Will kind of breed that pick. But I

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Speaker 1: think when you look at the pickets to the Panthers, uh,

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Speaker 1: Malik Willis, I like to Detroit. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: it's a trade back up from because they've got two

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Speaker 1: picks right in the thirty range there, or if he

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Speaker 1: ends up in Pittsburgh that would be hit from me.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess ritter Is that would be

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Speaker 1: the next guy in there. And I don't know if

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Speaker 1: he maybe he ends up in Pittsburgh, if if Willis

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Speaker 1: ends up elsewhere, but those would be the three guys

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Speaker 1: I would look at, you know. For some reason, for me,

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Speaker 1: I feel like Malik Wills the Steelers will be good

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Speaker 1: for them and good for him. You know he is

783
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: this it's organizational um, you know, consistency. They have Rabitsky there,

784
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Speaker 1: they can be patient with him, and I feel like

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Speaker 1: that's the spot where he's not going to be put

786
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Speaker 1: out there too soon. So I don't know how that's

787
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Speaker 1: gonna happen. I think the Steelers will probably have to

788
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Speaker 1: move up to make that happen because this brand mentioned.

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Speaker 1: I think he is the highest upside of all the quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: But a lot of work to do for me, that

791
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 1: just kind of makes sense for me. I think there

792
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 1: will be two. I think it could you could get

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Speaker 1: a trade up late to get one of these guys

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Speaker 1: in a five year you know of of a fifth

795
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Speaker 1: year option. But I'm gonna say two, with Malik Wolves

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Speaker 1: to the Steelers being the one that I think makes

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Speaker 1: the most sense. How about you, Dave. I I mean,

798
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Speaker 1: you know, when when you talk about this for enough months,

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Speaker 1: there are just there are landing spots for prospects that

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Speaker 1: you kind of fall in love with. And I'm with you, Like,

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Speaker 1: if I could wave a magic wand and put Malik

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Speaker 1: Willis in Pittsburgh, I would do it because I just

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Speaker 1: think that would be that would be fun all around.

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Speaker 1: Um I I diend to agree he's going in the

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Speaker 1: top twelve. Like the talent is too enticing. He seems

806
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Speaker 1: like such a high character guy, you know, the guy

807
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Speaker 1: that you would want to be the face of your franchise.

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00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,720
Speaker 1: So when you combine that those two things, the natural

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Speaker 1: talent with that charisma, yeah, somebody's gonna fall in love

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Speaker 1: with him and make I'm a top fifteen pick. I

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Speaker 1: think France probably, I mean the Panthers just seemed so

812
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Speaker 1: desperate for a quarterback back that they're just gonna do

813
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Speaker 1: whatever they have to to get the guy they like.

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Speaker 1: So if it's pick it, sure, maybe it's Willis, I

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Speaker 1: don't know, but a quarterback. And then I think corral

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Speaker 1: Is probably just too I seely talented to slip out

817
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Speaker 1: of the first round. So I would say those those

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Speaker 1: three guys for me, would be the ones that I

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Speaker 1: would expect to hear about. You know what was really

820
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Speaker 1: interesting from from Carolina If you listen to their GM

821
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Speaker 1: Scott Fitterer, he was basically priming the fan base for

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Speaker 1: we're going to pick a quarterback. We know it's a reach,

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Speaker 1: and we know that Mel and Todd everybody are going

824
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Speaker 1: to criticize us. To just be prepared for it because

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Speaker 1: we feel like we need to. If you just listen

826
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Speaker 1: to him, you could hear him say it like, we're

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Speaker 1: going to do this even though we know everybody is

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Speaker 1: gonna come down on us for overdrafting somebody exactly. That

829
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Speaker 1: sounds like a great organizational philosophy. I don't know. All Right,

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00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 1: to more quickies before we say goodbye? Um, best chance

831
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Speaker 1: of a trade in the top ten, Either who's gonna

832
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Speaker 1: trade down or do you think Mike trade up. You

833
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 1: can go either direction your pick. Hellman, why don't we

834
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Speaker 1: start with you? I mean, it's just easy to look

835
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Speaker 1: at what the Saints did with Philly. I mean, that

836
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 1: would be it. Just it reminds me of what Philly

837
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: did to get Carson Wentz. Honestly, it's like you move

838
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 1: before the draft so that you can get closer into

839
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Speaker 1: that top five whatever picks, uh, to get the quarterback

840
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Speaker 1: that you really like, or maybe maybe it's another guy.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I saw their GM was trying to

842
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Speaker 1: play it off like, oh, maybe we'll just take three

843
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 1: players we love, and I was like, I don't know, man,

844
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Speaker 1: that feels like a lot to give up for somebody

845
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 1: that's not a QB. I don't believe you, um um.

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Speaker 1: And then I don't know that this is a cop out.

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00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 1: Sorry for him, but like Howie's Howie, Like he just

848
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: he loves that stuff too much to not do it. So,

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Speaker 1: I mean, would anybody be shocked if the Eagles are

850
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 1: part of a Draft night trade? I don't think so.

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Speaker 1: That's so that's that's my final answer. What do you think? Uh?

852
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Speaker 1: For me, I would say the Saints certainly as a

853
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 1: as a team to watch. I think they'll look if

854
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: you look at Carolina, um, and I do feel like, hey,

855
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 1: like it feels like we're gonna take a quarterback early,

856
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: like I mentioned earlier. But uh, look at where Fitterer

857
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 1: came from. And look what Fitterer did last year in

858
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 1: his first draft as the general management Carolina. They traded

859
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: a ton and so uh to me, like that that

860
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,359
Speaker 1: might be a prime spot. Now it's just a matter

861
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,399
Speaker 1: of who you're gonna get to move up to number six.

862
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny. I think the Giants actually gonna

863
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: try to trade down. It's funny, Dave, you said out

864
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 1: the Panther the Saints rather kind of did with the

865
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 1: Eagles did last year. I think the Giants would have

866
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: preferred the package the Saints sent to Philly for the

867
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 1: second one this year than the actual one that they got.

868
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 1: So I thought that was a possibility before that trade.

869
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 1: Now I don't know, baby, I I think that And

870
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: this is where all go. I think the Chargers are

871
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,359
Speaker 1: gonna move up. The a f C West has been

872
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 1: such an arms race this year. It's by far the

873
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 1: best division in football. It's a nightmare to play in.

874
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,240
Speaker 1: We all watched the Chargers in the storm Norton experienced

875
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 1: last year at right tackle. I mean, if they had

876
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 1: a better right tackle, I think they're in the playoffs.

877
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna do everything they can to move

878
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 1: up to try to get one of those top three tackles.

879
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 1: If they can, maybe even move up a few spots

880
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 1: just to get Trevor Penning, who I think will be

881
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,839
Speaker 1: off the board when they pick it seventeen. So I

882
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 1: think the Charters are a team that could move up

883
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 1: brand how about you. I mean, obviously the top two

884
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:20,359
Speaker 1: teams would trade down if they could, but I think

885
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: there's just there's nobody there that I think would be

886
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 1: enticing enough to get somebody to actually do that. Uh.

887
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 1: The two teams I would watch, I think pretty closely.

888
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 1: I agree about Carolina, but I think it's gonna have

889
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 1: to be strategic because I think they want to do something.

890
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 1: Um you know, I would watch it Land in Seattle

891
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,399
Speaker 1: at the bottom of the top ten. I think they're

892
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 1: both probably not unlike the way Washington calculated they better

893
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 1: go get a quarterback on the open market. This is

894
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: a team that needs a quarter Both those teams need quarterbacks. Now,

895
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 1: all of a sudden I think they calculated like we

896
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 1: either need to get it in free agency or we

897
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 1: need to punt down the road because we don't trust

898
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 1: that any of these particular rookies are there. And I

899
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 1: think that they're gonna have the same calculation. So does

900
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 1: it lant a bite and take Malik Willis? Does seattle

901
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 1: bite and take the lead Willis? If they don't, I

902
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: think they're prime candidates to move down, try to gather

903
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 1: more picks, get through this season, and hope that the

904
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 1: quarterback class next year looks different. So I would be

905
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,479
Speaker 1: looking at them as as teams that are probably trying

906
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 1: to move down, and they might be more enticing for

907
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: them to do it because those quarterbacks might be on

908
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 1: the board and there will be a name or two

909
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:19,760
Speaker 1: of people that are going I can't believe that person

910
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:21,359
Speaker 1: is still there, and I think so they'll have an

911
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,359
Speaker 1: opportunity to make that case. All right, finally we can

912
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: do We'll do predictions. You can do it either way.

913
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 1: Either give me the ideal scenario or give me the

914
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 1: scenario you think is going to happen. I'll leave it

915
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 1: to each to take in any direction you want, but

916
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 1: just let us know which you are in fact predicting Dave,

917
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 1: let's star with you. Because you pick last year the

918
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 1: division winner, you get first, though, you're gonna start with

919
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 1: the guy that has the hardest. Tell us what's gonna

920
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 1: happene picks, It'll be great. What's funny is like the

921
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 1: cow I mean, obviously they were picking much higher, but

922
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 1: they were in a similar situation last year, where like

923
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 1: all of the bread crumbs lead to cornerback, and that's

924
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 1: what what was going to happen until Carolina and Denver

925
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 1: stole those players out from underneath them. Um, and you

926
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: know nobody's complaining about winding up with Michael Parsons. I'm

927
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 1: sure this year. I think it's offensive line. I think

928
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 1: in an ideal scenario and an ideal scenario, I think

929
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 1: Zion Johnson is their pick. It's just a matter of

930
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: if he slips and uh if he doesn't. Honestly, I

931
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 1: think the need is big enough that they'll talk themselves

932
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 1: into Kenyan Green or maybe Tyler Linderbaum, either one of

933
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:30,479
Speaker 1: those three, with the ideal pick being Zion. I think,

934
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 1: um and I would imagine one of the three will

935
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 1: be there. It would be surprising to see all of

936
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 1: them go. Friend, you gotta tough. You have two picks

937
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 1: you gotta make here. Yeah, I think that Look, if

938
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 1: you look at and I'm a big believer, when you

939
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: look at the stuff is like fole the money, right,

940
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 1: And so you look at where is money tied up

941
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 1: and where is money not going to be tied up soon?

942
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: And obviously the Eagles have some a number of aging

943
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 1: defensive linemen and also some defensive linemen that are coming

944
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 1: off the books next year. So I think when you

945
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 1: look at how this class shakes out, obviously that's the

946
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: strength of this class is the defensive front. It's just

947
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 1: a matter of who goes and who doesn't. Like is

948
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 1: Jermaine Johnson there? Is George carl aftis there? Uh you know,

949
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 1: if either of those guys fault, that's great. Uh if not,

950
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 1: Like is Jordan Davis there is? Is Davante Wyatt there?

951
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 1: And I think when you start getting into that group,

952
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 1: I think that's ultimately where you're kind of looking. And

953
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:20,840
Speaker 1: ideally it's like in that Johnson carl aftis kind of

954
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 1: mold um. But that's that's gonna be a difficult thing

955
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 1: to be able to see pan out. And that's why

956
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 1: the Eagles, you kind of need a couple of those

957
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that it's kind to go high. You need some

958
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 1: of those surprises, uh to be able to happen. And

959
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 1: so we'll see. But I think that the D line

960
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: is definitely the area where the ideal scenario if you're

961
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,320
Speaker 1: just looking from a number standpoint, Braham, I think I

962
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 1: know where you're going with this, and I think he's

963
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:43,399
Speaker 1: a safety from Notre Dame. If he's there at a leven,

964
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be too hard to pass up.

965
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just an obvious need and and he

966
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: fits this kind of position flex idea that we've all

967
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 1: been talking about that Rivera really loves. And considering Landon Collins,

968
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 1: they did not come to terms on a restructured contract.

969
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just a gaping hole in the defense.

970
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:01,240
Speaker 1: If he is not the air, which at least initial

971
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:04,280
Speaker 1: projections didn't look like would be the case, I think

972
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,839
Speaker 1: it would be Derek Stingley Jr. Um And if he's

973
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: not there or they go a different direction, it would

974
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 1: be Crystal lave as a receiver. But you know, I

975
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 1: think in the end um them trading back it seems

976
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: to make a tremendous amount of sense because of all

977
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 1: of the different needs that they have and how deep

978
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 1: at those positions. This draft is all right, Giants, I

979
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 1: have it easy. I don't have to predict four picks.

980
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 1: So whichever one of the top three tackles are off,

981
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,479
Speaker 1: I'll go. Ideal scenario for me. The order is Neil

982
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 1: a KWANDU Cross. They need a right tackle that a

983
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:34,839
Speaker 1: left tackle, so I think that's the order. And then

984
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 1: if Sauce Gardeners there, I think that's a pretty easy

985
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 1: pick um. If he manages to say otherwise, whichever one

986
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 1: of the best pass rushers is left right fibideaux, great

987
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 1: Trayvon Walker. I'm not a sold on as everybody else is,

988
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 1: but if he's there at seven, I think you pick him.

989
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 1: You know, Joe Shane has picked size, speed, size a

990
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 1: defensive line before, so I think that's where you go. Gentlemen.

991
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 1: Great stuff. Enjoy the next couple of weeks. Thanks so

992
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:01,359
Speaker 1: much for being with us. Yep, it's the Giants Little

993
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,080
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994
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