1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:04,600 Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio, 2 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:08,879 Speaker 1: and we are back with upologists. Cryptozoologist Nick Redfern, the 3 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:12,719 Speaker 1: author of so many books on UFOs, cryptozoology, the paranormal 4 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: conspiracy theories, and he writes regularly for magazines and has 5 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 1: uncovered thousands of pages of previously classified Royal Air Force, 6 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:25,319 Speaker 1: Air Ministry and Ministry of Defense files on UFOs. And 7 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: here he is back on Coast to Coast. Nick, always 8 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: a pleasure. How are here, sir? Hey George, I'm good. Thanks. 9 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 1: You've been traveling a lot, Yeah, quite a bit of 10 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 1: lectures in conferences and a lot of research as well. 11 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:40,599 Speaker 1: Good for you. This latest, this book is a home 12 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: run Flying Saucers from the Kremlin. Tell me how long 13 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:46,599 Speaker 1: it took for you to do that research is probably 14 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 1: altogether sort of eighteen months to about two years, and 15 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: a lot of it was sort of getting material through 16 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 1: the Freedom of information acts of several nations like Australia, 17 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: over UK and of course the United States, and really 18 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 1: putting together a sort of fascinating story that hasn't sort 19 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 1: of really been told before now, namely the means and 20 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: which ways which the Soviet Union attempted to sort of 21 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: create hysteria and paranoia in the United States by fabricating 22 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 1: UFO stories. It's sort of very strange but fascinating lesser 23 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: known aspect of the whole UFO phenomenon. How did the 24 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: subject matter get to you, Nick, to the point where 25 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: you wrote a book on it? Well, actually, kind of ironically, 26 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 1: it came from the US government itself, the National Security Agency, 27 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 1: like a lot of US government agencies, have over the years, 28 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 1: collected information on UFOs, and some of those files have 29 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 1: been released under the terms of the Freedom Information Act. 30 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: One particular file that was declassified by the NSA references 31 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:10,799 Speaker 1: an alleged UFO crash just off the coast of Norway 32 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: in nineteen fifty two, and somebody in the NSA had 33 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 1: actually circled around that story in big letters written written 34 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: the letters plant PLNC PLANT, and it was clear that 35 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 1: this particular document was pointing out that this story of 36 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 1: a crashed UFO just off the coast of Norway was 37 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: a bogus story. And it turns out that the Soviets 38 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: that actually, if you like concoctive, this particular story as 39 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: a means to try and convince the United States that 40 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: Russia had acquired alien technology and you know there would 41 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 1: be far in ahead of us. So, in other words, 42 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: it was a strange story that I stumbled on and 43 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 1: which demon straight in how some of these early UFO 44 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 1: stories were bogus. They've been created by the Soviet Union 45 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 1: as a means to try and, as I said, create paranoia, 46 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: fear and worries that you know, they were going to 47 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: fabricate alien technology before we could understand it. And so 48 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 1: the more I looked into these stories, the more I 49 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:29,639 Speaker 1: found that there were numerous cases where the Soviets had 50 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 1: been sort of meddling and getting involved in our politics, 51 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: in our intelligence communities, and using the UFO subject as 52 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: a means to do that. Interesting, and the fact that 53 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 1: they would spread these bogus stories neck does not mean 54 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: that the UFO cases generally were wrong or not real correct. Yeah, 55 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: but that's one of the important things I note in 56 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: the introduction of the book. Just because you know the 57 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 1: Soviets were creating these bogus stories as a means to 58 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 1: create fear and so on, that doesn't take away the 59 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 1: fact that you know there is a genuine UFO phenomenon. 60 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: I think all of us are certainly the vast majority 61 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: of the people listening right now, you know, do accept 62 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: there was a genuine UFO phenomenon. I think you know too. 63 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 1: To deny that would be very, very stupid. So, you know, 64 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 1: I think what we're looking at, what I know, what 65 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:28,359 Speaker 1: we're looking at is the we've got on one side 66 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: of the coin, we have legitimate UFO encounters. Now, whether 67 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: the phenomenon is extraterrestrial multi dimensional time travelers, you know, 68 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, but I no doubt in 69 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:46,039 Speaker 1: my mind that there is a phenomenon. But what essentially 70 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:50,239 Speaker 1: happened in the late forties onward was that the Soviet 71 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 1: Union kind of hijacked this genuine, real phenomenon and then 72 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 1: started to use it for very different reasons. So I 73 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 1: think that we need to sort of look at both 74 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 1: sides of the story. One is that yes, there are 75 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 1: legitimate UFO cases, but there are also fabricated cases for 76 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:14,719 Speaker 1: very different reasons. And the challenge, if you like, is 77 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:18,160 Speaker 1: to try and figure out which are the true stories 78 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 1: and which are part of these counterintelligence disinformation programs put 79 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: out by the Russians. The subtitle of your book, Flying 80 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 1: Saucers from the Kremlin very equally important UFOs, Russian meddling, 81 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: Soviet spies, and Cold War secrets. But we'll get into 82 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: each area there. When Roswell hit in nineteen forty seven, 83 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 1: did the Russians get involved in that at all? Nick? 84 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:45,480 Speaker 1: In your work, Well, that's a good question, George, because 85 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 1: if you look at the FBI's files which have been 86 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: declassified from nineteen forty seven, and specifically the summer of 87 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 1: forty seven, when the whole UFO phenomenon kicked off in 88 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 1: June of that year with Kenneth Arnold, and then just 89 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:06,600 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks later with the FBI looking at 90 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 1: some of the other cases from from the summer of 91 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 1: forty seven. Now, certainly Roswell is the most famous case, 92 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:18,839 Speaker 1: and certainly also the most famous case from nineteen forty 93 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:22,840 Speaker 1: seven as well. Now, what's particularly interesting is that if 94 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: you look at the FBI's declassified files, they were also 95 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: talking in that period. Just weeks after the Kenneth encounter, 96 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: the FBI was talking to each other about how some 97 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: of these stories seem to be created stories in as 98 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 1: weird as it might sound, when the FBI went to 99 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 1: look into some of these cases, they could not find 100 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:53,479 Speaker 1: the people and the reason being because the stories have 101 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 1: been fabricated and now as we can't obviously place Roswell 102 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: into that category. But what we do know is that 103 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 1: the height of the summer nineteen forty seven encounters Roswell 104 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 1: being the primary one. We do know that the FBI 105 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 1: started to look into rumors in that period that there 106 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: were Soviet spies in New Mexico, trying to understand the 107 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: truth of the UFO phenomenon. So what this demonstrates is 108 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: that in the immediate aftermath of the Kenneth Arnold encounter 109 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 1: in June forty seven, what we have is a situation 110 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 1: where it seems that Russian spies clandestinely were smuggled into 111 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 1: the United States and we're looking into the UFO phenomenon. 112 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 1: And part of that agenda, if you like, was to 113 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 1: try and determine what the Soviet Union were doing, and 114 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: it seems to be there were two things. One was 115 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 1: to try and understand the nature of the real phenomenon. 116 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 1: Another one was to see how they could put a 117 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: plan into action, if you like, as a means to 118 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 1: create fake stories and really try and mess with the 119 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 1: minds of the US government. Nick Georgiadamski was one of 120 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: the first contactees back in the nineteen fifties, claimed that 121 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: you know, he was picked up, that he's been the venus. 122 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 1: Was he involved in this somehow? Yes, he actually was 123 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: a couple of chapters in the book about Adamski. Now, 124 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 1: for people who aren't sort of odly familiar with the 125 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 1: contact screamy contact team movements as it was known back 126 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 1: in the nineteen fifties, Judge Adamski, without any doubt whatsoever, 127 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 1: he was sort of the primary contact team, namely, someone 128 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: who claimed face to face contact with very human looking aliens. 129 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 1: And typically the contacts would meet these alleged aliens out 130 00:08:55,120 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 1: in desert locations such as Arizona, California, New Mexico and 131 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 1: so on, and typically the aliens would warn the contacts 132 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:09,680 Speaker 1: but you know, if you don't change your warlike ways, 133 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 1: then the world is going to be destroyed. And it 134 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 1: was almost like a friendly warning if you like that 135 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:22,079 Speaker 1: most of the stories that the contacts were talking about. Now, 136 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 1: Georgia Damski, without doubts, it was a very controversial figure, 137 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 1: but he really does kind of define the ultimate contact 138 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:35,079 Speaker 1: if you like. Now, a lot of people don't realize 139 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: that in his early lectures, Adamski was talking about how 140 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 1: the aliens that he allegedly met out in the California 141 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 1: desert were actually communists. And now that might kind of 142 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: sound almost laughable to some people, but if you bear 143 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 1: in mind that his first book, Flying Sources, have landed 144 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: in its first printing, it's sold just around one hundred 145 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 1: and twenty five thousand copies, which is an incredible number 146 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 1: of books on UFOs to sell, you know, today, you know, 147 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 1: the figures are nothing like that at all. And the 148 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:15,079 Speaker 1: FBI got concerned because here's this guy talking about how 149 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:18,559 Speaker 1: the aliens are communist and how we need to embrace 150 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:22,680 Speaker 1: communism and he's and he's telling essentially one hundred and 151 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:27,719 Speaker 1: twenty five thousand people that communism is a good government. 152 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:31,719 Speaker 1: Went nuts. Yeah. Now, if you know, if Adamski was 153 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: just speaking to groups of like ten or fifteen people 154 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 1: in a you know, a back room in a library 155 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 1: on a Sunday afternoon, I don't think the FBI would 156 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 1: have cared at all. But the fact that Adamski, you know, 157 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 1: was selling books in such massive amounts, and he was, 158 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 1: you know, heavily wanted on the lecture circuit and he's 159 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 1: you know, he's promoting communism, promoting Russia and so on. 160 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 1: That's why the FBI got concerned. And one of the 161 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 1: things that they found which was particularly intriguing that the FBI, 162 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 1: in the course of their surveillance of Adamski, they found 163 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 1: that on a number of occasions, Adamski had been meeting 164 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 1: apparently with Russian individuals in downtown Los Angeles in the 165 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:25,680 Speaker 1: nineteen fifties. And the story is a very intriguing one 166 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 1: where these meetings would occur on several occasions in nineteen 167 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 1: fifty two and nineteen fifty three, and the FBI came 168 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:38,440 Speaker 1: around to the idea that the entire goal, if you like, 169 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:43,839 Speaker 1: of some of the early contacts was to spread communism, 170 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:47,679 Speaker 1: but to do it under the guise of friendly aliens 171 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 1: who just want to help us. And another of the 172 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 1: early contact teas a man named Orfeo angel Lucci, who 173 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 1: was sort of like a second tier, if you like, 174 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:01,839 Speaker 1: of the Contact team movement. He went on record as 175 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: saying that a group of essentially like Russian individuals met 176 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 1: with him on the East Coast prior to a lecture 177 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:13,439 Speaker 1: in the early fifties, and he talked about how this 178 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 1: particularly mysterious group tried to convince him to slant his 179 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 1: lectures around communism, and fortunately Angelouci would not go with 180 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 1: that particular theory, and he actually told the FBI. He 181 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 1: approached the FBI, and again a file was opened on him. 182 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 1: And to give you an example of the concerns that 183 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: the FBI had about Adamski and he was Adamski a 184 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 1: plant in any way, Well, whether or not he was 185 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 1: a direct plant, he's something you know, we can debate upon, 186 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 1: but there's absolutely no doubt that he in his early 187 00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: lectures sort of fifty two to fifty five, he spoke 188 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 1: extensively about how communism, you know, was the way of 189 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 1: the future. He also said that, you know that a 190 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 1: Third World War was was looming and that the Russians 191 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: were going to win, and he said that the sort 192 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: of Soviet way of life, you know, was the one 193 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 1: for the future. Now this is not just sort of hearsay. 194 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 1: This is actually all mentioned in the now declassified FBI 195 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 1: files on a. Damski, which I've got hold of. And 196 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 1: to give you an idea of the depth of the 197 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 1: surveillance that went on Adamski's FBI file is now pushing 198 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: five hundred pages in length. Wow. And he died in 199 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty five, giving a U a full lecture in Maryland, 200 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:54,200 Speaker 1: of all places for him to die. And now, yeah, 201 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 1: I think you know the most important thing about this 202 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 1: was that again you know where the people buy into 203 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 1: the Contact Tea stories, and not because they are very controversial. 204 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 1: The fact is a lot of people were listening to 205 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:12,199 Speaker 1: Adamski and that was certainly one of the goals of 206 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:18,359 Speaker 1: the Russians was to try and ensure that the agenda 207 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 1: that they were trying to get across with actually getting 208 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 1: a cure. They didn't have social media then, and he 209 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 1: was getting a lot of newspaper publicity. He was getting 210 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 1: newspaper publicity, magazines. The conference circuit back then, I mean, 211 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 1: was again also much bigger than it is today. For example, 212 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: George van Tassel, another of the early Contact teas, put 213 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: on regular yearly events out at Giant Rock just outside 214 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 1: Landers in California, and at their height, those particular outdoors 215 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 1: conferences at Giant Rock had audiences in figures of like 216 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 1: nine to twelve and people. Wow, I think when you 217 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 1: have a couple thousand in contact in the desert that's huge. Yeah, yeah, 218 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 1: never mind twelve thousand. So in other words, the word, 219 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 1: if you like, was really getting out there in the 220 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 1: early years of Uphology that a communism is good. Be 221 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 1: the Russians feign advanced of us and see that the 222 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: contacts were spreading the word of the aliens. And I 223 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 1: think for the most part, the FBI was wasn't overly 224 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 1: concerned by the real phenomenon of UFOs because that was 225 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 1: being investigated by the Air Force. The FBI was deeply 226 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: concerned though, that people like Adamski were sort of molding 227 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 1: and modeling the mindset of the general public. Listen to 228 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 1: more Coast to Coast AM every weeknight at one am 229 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 1: Eastern and go to Coast to Coast am dot com 230 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: for more