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Speaker 1: It froze right. When Robert asked you a question and

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Speaker 1: I said. I was like you said edging, my Roberts.

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Speaker 1: I don't when people burn off huge chunks of their

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Speaker 1: buy out. Apparently he felt that Trudeau, and notorious fraudster

428
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 1: and scammer, had scammed him in buying his company, and

429
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 1: he wrote a book called mL M Fraud, which alleged

430
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 1: that he had been tricked by Trudeau um while tricking

431
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,920
Speaker 1: customers with his shitty m l M, which is very

432
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 1: funny and good. That is, that's the story you want

433
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 1: to hear right there. Yeah, yeah, There's nothing I love

434
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 1: more than a scammer getting scammed by a scammer in

435
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:22,160
Speaker 1: the process of committing a scam, trying to get better. Yeah,

436
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 1: it's great. So in the Midnight nineties, Greg had to

437
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 1: find a new grift and he found that grift in

438
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 1: black salve, and particularly a formulation of black salve known

439
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 1: as canciema. And the Cancima folks were the ones who

440
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 1: were insisting up at the top of the episode that

441
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:41,399
Speaker 1: they're burning paste. Did not burn anything, Um, which is cool.

442
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:51,200
Speaker 1: So uh yeah so canciema. Um absolutely so is okay.

443
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:53,880
Speaker 1: My whole thing Usually in these things, like I'm trying

444
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:57,360
Speaker 1: to get behind, like their mental motivation. Like when they

445
00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,879
Speaker 1: say are they just rebutting? People will be like that

446
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 1: ship burns people right now, they're not this one. It

447
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 1: doesn't burn because that because it's gonna burn. Yeah. Why

448
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:09,399
Speaker 1: they say that, is it just like a rebuttal or

449
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 1: they just decided like I'm just not gonna say just

450
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:16,159
Speaker 1: don't say it. Yeah. I think it's like, you know,

451
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 1: I don't think most of these companies have very sophisticated

452
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,359
Speaker 1: pr operations, right, Like it's it's a couple of people

453
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,719
Speaker 1: shipping out the poison and they also take shots at

454
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 1: it on the internet. And I think it's just one

455
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,159
Speaker 1: of those things where it's like, Okay, everybody is saying

456
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,680
Speaker 1: that our our death paste burns their skin off. Let's

457
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,879
Speaker 1: but it's not burning their skin off. We'll tell them it's, uh,

458
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 1: it's sucking out the toxins. And like, I don't know,

459
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 1: I think they just they've kind of realized that's the

460
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 1: one thing they have to convince people. Um, if you

461
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,200
Speaker 1: convince the people taking it, that it's gonna if they

462
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,199
Speaker 1: if they're the people taking it, are terrified that their

463
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 1: body is filled with toxins and think that this will

464
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 1: pull the toxins out. Um, that's all you really need

465
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 1: to sell them on, because they already don't believe doctors,

466
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, well it sounds like a lot of

467
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 1: these people are just improvisers with an actual product. Yeah. Yeah,

468
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 1: I think a lot of these people, if they had

469
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 1: gotten into U C. B Um might have might have

470
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:17,439
Speaker 1: scratched that which in their heads. God, but it sure is,

471
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 1: it sure is. But it's a scam that doesn't make

472
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:24,880
Speaker 1: people burn their faces off. So that's that I know of.

473
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: I mean, we'll see now that the internet age has

474
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 1: taken over improv um in the wake of the quarantine.

475
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:37,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe we'll see some faces burned off.

476
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 1: I think, as a general rule, the community of people

477
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 1: who are comfortable getting up to people and saying nonsense

478
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,440
Speaker 1: to them, which includes both like scam artists and stand

479
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:50,159
Speaker 1: up comedians and improvisers and actors, they're all kind of

480
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:54,439
Speaker 1: the same pool of people, and that the best of

481
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 1: them get careers entertaining people, and the worst of them

482
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 1: sell poison your exact the rat and then yeah, in

483
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 1: the middle they go to Washington, and in the middle

484
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 1: they go Yeah. When they're not good enough to do either,

485
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:14,119
Speaker 1: they get into politics. Uh So, in the midnineteen nineties, Yeah,

486
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 1: Greg starts selling Cancima and he basically takes in making

487
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,360
Speaker 1: this formulation. He takes this traditional blood root and zinc

488
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 1: chloride extract that Dr Fells had initially created, and he

489
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 1: just throws in a bunch of random herbs so he

490
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 1: can really lay in on the whole. This is native

491
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 1: American medicine aspect of it um and Cancima sells really

492
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 1: well and Greg makes like a million dollars in the

493
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 1: space of a couple of years. But the FDA grows

494
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 1: wise to his operation, particularly the part of it where

495
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 1: Greg starts claiming can siema has a success rate in

496
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 1: dealing with skin cancers regardless of the type or size

497
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 1: of cancer. Um. He also claims that his wonder pace

498
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 1: could intelligently discriminate between cancerous tissues and healthy ones, so

499
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 1: it only Greg is like, this only burns away cancerous tissue.

500
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: So if you put it on your skin and your

501
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 1: skin burns, that's cancer. God Jesus that terrible. He fucking

502
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 1: rules he does kind of. He just kept saying stuff

503
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 1: like you would say stuff and then read and you go, okay,

504
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,959
Speaker 1: you're with me on that. It's a great solution, because, like,

505
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 1: what's the problem. This thing burns off your skin anywhere

506
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: it touches. You just make people believe that it only

507
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: burns cancer. It's like the it's like a variant of

508
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 1: the Emperor is wearing no clothing of that story, but

509
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 1: with face burning paste. I was, oh, man, you're lucky.

510
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 1: You're lucky that whole nose was cancer. There's a lot

511
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 1: of pictures of people who lose their entire noses to

512
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 1: this stuff. So that's why I said that, oh man,

513
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: horrible pictures. Be glad that this is an audio medium,

514
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 1: because the pictures are fucking awful. You take noses are

515
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 1: read to, you see somebody without one, you know what

516
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 1: it's you know, oddly enough, a lot of these pictures.

517
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 1: You know, you spend a lot of time in very

518
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: poor parts of the globe and refugee camps, and you

519
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 1: see people with like horrible ailments that are like easily

520
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: treated with access to like modern nutrition and and even

521
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 1: like minimal health care. So like we just don't see

522
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 1: them often in the United States, um, and a lot

523
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 1: of them are like on the face and and really

524
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 1: terrible and clearly like very very uncomfortable for the people.

525
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 1: And there it's just like this horrible consequence of their

526
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 1: the unspeakable poverty and suffering. And here when people wind

527
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 1: up with like giant holes on their face, it's generally

528
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 1: because they've decided to like they've gotta self treat their

529
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 1: cancer um, which is sometimes also caused by a lack

530
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 1: of resources. But the fact that this takes off like

531
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 1: a fucking rocket in Australia, where they have national health

532
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 1: care is evidence that like sometimes people just like to

533
00:30:56,000 --> 00:31:00,120
Speaker 1: do it. It's really weird. There's that are Yeah, I

534
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 1: know a little bit better than most people. Yeah yeah,

535
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 1: I'm I'm smarter enough than everyone else that I can

536
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 1: take I'm the right one to deal with my cancer.

537
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: I didn't get to upper management at McDonald's for being

538
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 1: a dona. Give me something black set, Yeah, right on

539
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: them testicles there might be. I want to know if

540
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: there's cancer there. And since it only burns cancer, I'm

541
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 1: glad it hurts like yeah, so um yeah. Caton was

542
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 1: initially hard for the FDA to track He sold Cancima

543
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 1: through a company called the Lumen Food Corporation, but actually

544
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: shipped Canciema through another company, Alpha Omega Labs, which was

545
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: registered in of all places, the Bahamas. Yeah. By two

546
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 1: thousand three, the FDA had entangled this all and tracked

547
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: Caton down to a residence in an industrial site in

548
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 1: Lake Charles, Louisiana, which is is where you want to

549
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: headquarter your fake burn people's skin off operation. Yeah, So

550
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: the FDA rated his location and they found a huge

551
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: amount of cancima as well as a giant cash of

552
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 1: miss branded and unapproved drugs. Among that cash were sixteen

553
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 1: fifty five gallon drums of a liquid corrosive material eventually

554
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: identified as sulfuric acid. What what I mean, Billy, That's

555
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 1: not a whole lot of sulfuric acid, Like there's you know,

556
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: let's see here, sixteen times fifty five. That's just eight

557
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 1: and eighty gallons of sulfuric acid, Billy. Well, and it's

558
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: not highly corrosive. So no, And in fact, Capton had

559
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: labeled the acid non corrosive, which meant that his employees

560
00:32:50,800 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 1: didn't use proper safety. Michael Scott it's awesome. It's it's

561
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:05,239
Speaker 1: my selling face burning cream. And I one guess as

562
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 1: to what he was doing with the sulfuric acid. I

563
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: think this guy was watering down his blood root with

564
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: just straight up of acid. He's cool. I love him now.

565
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 1: In addition to the drugs in the acid, and and

566
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: I mean that in the way that is the least

567
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 1: fun way that that sentence can be read. Um. Yeah,

568
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 1: neither the drugs nor the acid are fun. Uh. The

569
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 1: FDA also turned up a small pile of weapons, three

570
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 1: semi automatic rifles, one bolt action rifle, two shotguns, a pistol,

571
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: several sets of body armor which had been concealed inside

572
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: a hidden compartment. Now, since Katon was already a convicted

573
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 1: felon due to prior schemes that had gotten him convicted

574
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: of felonies, uh, he was arrested on possession of firearms

575
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 1: because that was the most illegal part of the face

576
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: burning operation. You know, that went on the back burner

577
00:33:56,480 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 1: so well that you can even they're like, listen, yeah,

578
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 1: the face burning thing is like that's people are keep

579
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 1: david that. But the good Yeah, yeah, it's great. It's

580
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 1: just it's so American. It's the most American anything can

581
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: possibly be. Yeah. So he goes to prison for about

582
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: five years or so. Um, and he does his time.

583
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 1: He gets out and he moves immediately to Ecuador. Well

584
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 1: I will bet he is allowed to own guns again. Um. Yeah,

585
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 1: or at least he owns guns again. Uh. So he

586
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: continued to operate Alpha Omega Labs from Ecuador, and it

587
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 1: is in business to this day selling black save all

588
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: over the world with nary a care for the FDA.

589
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 1: Today you can buy twenty two grams of black save

590
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 1: for nine from Alpha Omega Labs his own website. Their

591
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 1: company tagline is the triumph of medical science over politics

592
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,839
Speaker 1: and greed. Uh And while I might quibble a little

593
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 1: bit with that, it is probably accurate to say that

594
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 1: the black sav makers have triumphed over the f D

595
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 1: A at least, yes they have. Yeah. I'm curious who

596
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 1: in prison told him about Ecuadoor. Yeah, I'm gonna guess

597
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: a lot of people. Yeah, because that's like it's so clear,

598
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: like he went in and there and he's like, you're

599
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: the last things. It burns people, but they love it.

600
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: And Ecuador. Yeah, that is the place for you, friend.

601
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 1: It's a moment in blow. Tell me what do you

602
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: know about cocaine? Tell me what do you know about Equador?

603
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 1: You go on, you go on. So uh yeah, So

604
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 1: he gets out of jail, he starts selling this stuff

605
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 1: from Ecuador, and you know, the first couple of years

606
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 1: it's it's pretty minimal, but it gradually starts to rock

607
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 1: it up and rock it up in the mid odds

608
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 1: after like especially two thousand twelve or so, uh and

609
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 1: the cuprit As to why Black Saves started to grow

610
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 1: in popularity again in the last few years, uh is,

611
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: of course Facebook. Over the last decade, Black sav has

612
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: leapt out of relative obscurity and into a prominent position

613
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 1: within the alt medical ecosystem. Numerous Facebook groups with names

614
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 1: like Black sav Healing Support Group provide opportunities for thousands

615
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: of sick people to urge each other to burn their

616
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: problems away with poison. I'm gonna quote now from a

617
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 1: BuzzFeed article on the matter. A Facebook spokesperson told BuzzFeed

618
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 1: that these groups don't violate its community guidelines. This summer,

619
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 1: it launched an initiative to address exaggerated or sensational health

620
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 1: claims and will downrank that content in the news feed.

621
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 1: Similar to how it handles clickbait, but it's not clear

622
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 1: how it defines what a sensational health claim is setting

623
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 1: user privacy. Facebook would not say whether or not it

624
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,240
Speaker 1: had downranked the black sav groups and the news feed.

625
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,439
Speaker 1: Other platforms have taken a different approach. When BuzzFeed News

626
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 1: asked Youthtube about several videos where people discussed using black

627
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: sav YouTube said the videos were in violation and remove them. Amazon,

628
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 1: which does not sell the sav itself, removed a book

629
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 1: about black Save when BuzzFeed News asked about it. So

630
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:05,399
Speaker 1: this is a case where like even normally really irresponsible people,

631
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 1: you can find so many books on Amazon right now

632
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 1: about the coronavirus um. But even they were like, we

633
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 1: we shouldn't let people, we shouldn't enable this, right, this

634
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 1: crosses a line. But fucking Facebook, they're on board with it,

635
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:25,839
Speaker 1: of course, or like our community gotlines strictly said if

636
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:30,359
Speaker 1: you get enough clicks, yeah, whatever you want exactly. And

637
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 1: one of the amazing things about the coronavirus outbreak, like

638
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 1: they just Facebook just cut um the live video stream

639
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: from the President of Brazil, Jay Bilsonaro, because he was

640
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 1: he was just lying, particularly about the same thing our

641
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 1: president was lying about that, um, that fucking quinine derivative

642
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,839
Speaker 1: medication that that he says as a cure, and they

643
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 1: just cut his feed. And we're also, I'm starting to

644
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: winder one of a couple of things finally happened. One

645
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:56,879
Speaker 1: of them is just that this was finally serious enough

646
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,399
Speaker 1: that it spooked them into acting like a respectable member

647
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 1: of the community. The other is that the large majority

648
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,879
Speaker 1: of Facebook employees, and I've known a number of them,

649
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 1: are are decent, perfectly decent, reasonable people who have a

650
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 1: lot of issues with certain things. Um, And maybe the

651
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 1: sheer fucked uppedness of the situation meant that that group

652
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 1: was finally able to push for some changes, and we'll

653
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 1: see more of them. I'm interested in whether or not

654
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 1: they change any of their other ways and get more

655
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 1: responsible from here on out, or if they're just panicked

656
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,359
Speaker 1: about coronavirus because they're worried that a lot of them

657
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,720
Speaker 1: are going to die. I don't know, we'll see. Well,

658
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 1: usually that should come from the top down, and I

659
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:47,879
Speaker 1: don't see marky Mark changing his white Yeah, I mean

660
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 1: it often does, but also like it's such a big company,

661
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: like I highly doubt Mark Mark Zuckerberg never got asked

662
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: about fucking black staff. That decision was made below him.

663
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: That's because it's not we're not talking about enough of

664
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 1: Like I think that when you talk about like right

665
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: wing disinformation. Mark has been in a number of those

666
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 1: calls where they've decided, no, we leave these people who

667
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: keep lying on But um, yeah, I don't think black

668
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 1: save is something he winds up getting consulted about. You know,

669
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 1: it's a problem, but it's not. There's billions of Facebook users, right, Well,

670
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:23,399
Speaker 1: I just made the cutting of the president's feet. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

671
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 1: that had to have been the final call. Was someone

672
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 1: at the top for sure? Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

673
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 1: And I'm saying like, just letting all most of the

674
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 1: ship go is probably still going to happen because he's

675
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 1: just a I think at this point of mego mania. Yeah,

676
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 1: I mean, we're all gonna learn a lot over the

677
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 1: next year. Well I should let me let me rephrase that,

678
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 1: those of us that survive are all going to learn

679
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: a lot. So uh. In their investigation into black Save

680
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 1: on Facebook, BuzzFeed found seven different Facebook groups for black

681
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 1: saff discussioned visible in search results. The largest of these

682
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 1: groups had twenty one members, which is too many members

683
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 1: for a burn your own face off fan group. Now,

684
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,399
Speaker 1: most of these are invite only groups, but the sort

685
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,399
Speaker 1: of people who use magical good to burn away their

686
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: cancer are not super great at vetting new members. So

687
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 1: Facebook was able to get into a number of these groups,

688
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 1: and once they were inside, they were able to collect

689
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 1: horrifying stories of black sav applications gone wrong. Quote. A

690
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 1: woman recently posted photos to a private group of a

691
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: spot on her cheek that she had applied black sab

692
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 1: seven times, asking if she should keep applying after it

693
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 1: used pus several times. The next post was from a

694
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 1: man and featured photos of a large wound on his

695
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 1: ribs and the scab that had fallen off, and the

696
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 1: comments someone wrote, impressive, you're really burned a hole in

697
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 1: your side there? Good job, that's good. Yeah, I mean

698
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:58,919
Speaker 1: it is a little bit like I've known some people

699
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: who are into like sort extreme like self torture kind

700
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: of stuff for erotic purposes and watched some like yeah,

701
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: I mean you are fucking you are. That's a lot

702
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 1: of holes in your back that you're hanging yourself. Good good.

703
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 1: I had a friend and good stand up. Yeah, I

704
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 1: mean from two hooks for fifteen minutes. Yeah. And one

705
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 1: of the difference is that those communities actually are incredibly

706
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 1: health and security conscious and are doing something that is

707
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:31,359
Speaker 1: fundamentally has some dangers in the safest way possible, as

708
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 1: opposed to ripping holes in their side with poison to

709
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 1: try to cure themselves. Uh. Yeah. So in two thousands seventeen,

710
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: a woman posted on that member Facebook group that she

711
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 1: had put black staff on her breast to kill a tumor.

712
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 1: When she bent over, She says she heard a popping

713
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 1: noise and blood and puss poured out. She went to

714
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 1: the emergency room, where she was put on ivy antibiotics.

715
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 1: Three months later, she wrote an update to say that

716
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 1: she was now being treated for her can here by

717
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:04,240
Speaker 1: a traditional oncologist. So these are the kind of tales

718
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: we find it popped billy fuck good stuff, awesome stuff like.

719
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:16,800
Speaker 1: So she went there before and then yeah, she found

720
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: out she had cancer, decided I can take care of

721
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 1: this cancer, and then did not take care of this

722
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:25,800
Speaker 1: cancer and decided I should consult a real doctor again.

723
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:30,359
Speaker 1: I mean, she's lucky. Yes, Well, we don't know if

724
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 1: she lived in the long run, but yeah, that didn't

725
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 1: kill her, that's yes, yes, absolutely. To make matters worse,

726
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,399
Speaker 1: recent investigations have shown that black SEV can actually make

727
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:46,320
Speaker 1: non deadly cancers into life threatening cancers. There is evident

728
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 1: like basil cell carcinoma, for example, is not does not

729
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 1: normally metastasize, um, but it does metastasize with some regularity

730
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: if you put a mutagenet compound on it. And black

731
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 1: SEV is a mutagenet compound which can cause is it

732
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 1: to go rogue in the words of one oncologists and

733
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 1: spread to other parts of the body. So this thing

734
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,720
Speaker 1: that like normally isn't going to be a life threatening cancer,

735
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:12,359
Speaker 1: blacks have actually makes into a life threatening cancer. So

736
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:16,399
Speaker 1: that's cool. I mean, I mean, it's just that thing

737
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:20,280
Speaker 1: is like you can hear somebody sailing it and they're like, wow, man,

738
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 1: I don't know if that steff will work on me,

739
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 1: and and the salesman's like, it can't make it worse.

740
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 1: It made it worse. Actually, yeah, you are going to

741
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 1: die now, um. And it's it's awesome, billy. I mean,

742
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:40,320
Speaker 1: what's good about this is that, um, you know, basil

743
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 1: cel carcinoma was in the old days kind of the

744
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 1: most common thing that black staff was applied to, but now,

745
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 1: thankfully because so many great grifters have put effort into

746
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 1: convincing people that it cures internal cancers. A lot of

747
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:59,720
Speaker 1: people use it for internal cancers. Um, so that's good, right, Yeah,

748
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 1: people aren't Yeah yeah, water No. In a Facebook group

749
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 1: named blood Root discussion group, BuzzFeed found a woman who

750
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:17,720
Speaker 1: in two thousand, fifteen and sixteen posted frequently about taking

751
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 1: black Saven pillform and topically to treat her ovarian cancer.

752
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 1: Her last post was in two thousand sixteen, asking if

753
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:27,720
Speaker 1: it was normal to pass lumps vaginally. Sometime later, another

754
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 1: member of the group posted to inform the others that

755
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: she had died. So that's good and cool. Don't you

756
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 1: shouldn't pass lumps that way. Also in two thou seventeen,

757
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 1: a woman named April started documenting her self breast cancer

758
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 1: treatments with black Save on YouTube. She claims to have

759
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 1: done some chemo, but declined surgery or radiation preferring and

760
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 1: said to treat herself with black sav. She posted fourteen

761
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 1: videos of the course of nearly two years, uploading her

762
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 1: last video in early two thousand nineteen. Four months after

763
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: that video was uploaded, her son commented on it to

764
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 1: tell her viewers that his mother had died. Now, those

765
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 1: videos had not been removed as of the publication of

766
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 1: the BuzzFeed article. They have since been taken down by YouTube,

767
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: but YouTube was perfectly happy to leave these this this

768
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:19,959
Speaker 1: whole trail of videos up. Um wow, so that's good.

769
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 1: Also taken down from YouTube in the wake of that

770
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,800
Speaker 1: article was a popular video titled I Removed four breast

771
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,839
Speaker 1: cancer tumors using black salve. So you can you can

772
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,280
Speaker 1: see the pattern here pretty well. When big media companies

773
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: expose this stuff, it gets taken down. But YouTube and Facebook, no,

774
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 1: they're pretty safe on waiting to take action until people

775
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 1: get angry, since their only obligation is to their shareholders

776
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 1: and not the health of their users or the health

777
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 1: of the broader society, which is a good way for

778
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: things to work. Yeah yeah, Now, Billy, you know who

779
00:45:52,040 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 1: does have a great responsibility to broader society and it's users. Yes,

780
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: McDonald's and all of the other products and services that

781
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:16,839
Speaker 1: support this podcast a lot of responsibility, Billy, We're back.

782
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: So the expansion of black saff through the well worn

783
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 1: tunnels of the global fake news ecosystem has opened up

784
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 1: a market that's now a lot larger than it was

785
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 1: in simpler times when Greg Katon was hoarding rifles and

786
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 1: sulfuric acid in Louisiana. I do miss those days. In

787
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 1: April of two seventeen, the FDA sent out warning letters

788
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 1: to a number of Black sav makers. They arrested an

789
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 1: Amish seller in Kentucky and sentenced him to six years

790
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 1: in prison. But companies like Alpha Omega based in countries

791
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 1: that don't extradite to the US keep a steady supply

792
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 1: flowing into the country, and Facebook groups provide a place

793
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 1: for users to discuss where they can still buy the

794
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 1: sav or make it for themselves. This is all just great,

795
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 1: and as awareness of black staff has spread, so too

796
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: have its non unprescribed prescribed uses. Black sav advocates now

797
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 1: used to self treat acne and moles, and they've even

798
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 1: formulated deluded versions to use his vaginal douches and enemas.

799
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 1: Because if there's anything that makes a good vaginal douche,

800
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 1: it's something that burns off layers of your skin. So

801
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 1: what if we made douching a worse idea? Yeah, it's awesome. God, Yeah,

802
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 1: I'm in pain just from here now. It's okay. I

803
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: support using this as an enema. You should all enimate

804
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 1: your stuff with as often as possible. That's just good

805
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 1: basic medical self. Yeah. It just pieces of it just

806
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 1: drop out and then you're good to go whenever. M hm.

807
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 1: You know. One of the best ways traditionally to lose weight, Billy,

808
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 1: is to have large sections of your colon and small

809
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 1: intestine removed surgically. Yeah. They're heavy, they're heavy exactly. Get

810
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 1: rid of those love handles. So uh yeah. People are

811
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:12,360
Speaker 1: now selling this as douches and enemas. And one example

812
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: of how this is marketed comes from the it's awesome Sophie.

813
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 1: Let's not be judgmental about a healthy and good thing.

814
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 1: I'm somewhere in between. You good, that's good. The middle

815
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 1: is always where the truth lies horrible. One example of

816
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 1: how this is marketed is the website for Two Feathers

817
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 1: Healing Formula, a popular Black sav variant. Here's how they

818
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 1: sell it on their website. Two Feathers Healing Formula is

819
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:40,839
Speaker 1: a unique American Indian herbal compound that has reached through

820
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 1: time over several hundred years to meet the needs of

821
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 1: an ailing civilization today. It is like a time capsule

822
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 1: sent to us from a distant past when knowledge was

823
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 1: more of the spirit than of the intellect. There's a

824
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 1: great sincerity in respect for this healing formula at every

825
00:48:55,040 --> 00:49:05,840
Speaker 1: stage of its preparation. That is that is impressive. Yeah,

826
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,839
Speaker 1: it's awesome. Like the writer in me is like, I'm

827
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 1: not mad at that. That's just beautiful. That's that's the

828
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 1: smart way. Yeah. They go on to note those of

829
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 1: us who handle this compound, including myself, feel blessed to

830
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 1: be part of an age old right that is indeed

831
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:23,760
Speaker 1: very special, still produced in the original Native American manner,

832
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 1: synergistically blended with spiritual intent. Wow. Native Americans big on synergy. Also, also,

833
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 1: they were healing people by the spirit, not yeah, it's like, no,

834
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 1: they were noticing worked and what didn't work. Yeah, they

835
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 1: were noticing that, boy, in this age, we don't have

836
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 1: any other options. Sometimes you can burn off in external cancer.

837
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:53,360
Speaker 1: And then white people were like, what if we mix

838
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 1: that thing they were using with nine other stuff that

839
00:49:56,760 --> 00:50:00,280
Speaker 1: just burns even more And we just light a people

840
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 1: and say it's the same thing and it's still going

841
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:05,800
Speaker 1: on today, and that rules Billy, Yeah, we play a

842
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 1: drum in the background. Yeah. Oh yeah, call it feather something. Yeah,

843
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 1: two feathers. Yeah, so two feathers. They have all this,

844
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:18,760
Speaker 1: like two paragraphs talking about how special an age old

845
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 1: and and why is this formula is And immediately below

846
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 1: all those lines on the website are the bolded words

847
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:38,320
Speaker 1: enema or douche. Uh. It's awesome, Billy, it is awesome.

848
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 1: I'm not even okay, here's I'm not mad at this

849
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 1: one because the information is there. The information is almost

850
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 1: always there though, and it never seems to matter. I know. Yeah,

851
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 1: my dad not talked about this too. He's like people

852
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 1: are He's like, it's a go. He's like, we have

853
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 1: all the answers to all our questions in our phones

854
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 1: in our pocket, and people are still walking around like

855
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 1: they know everything. And I was like, that's good stuff.

856
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:20,320
Speaker 1: So um. The the article on two Feathers that talks

857
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 1: about how this stuff is handed out or its talks

858
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 1: about how to use this stuff as as a douche

859
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 1: or an enema closes that section by noting, quote, if

860
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:35,880
Speaker 1: the wound has opened and a pus like substance is

861
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 1: being released, then the compound is left on the skin

862
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 1: until all the pus like substance has been released in

863
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 1: the compound falls off the skin of its own accord.

864
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:47,720
Speaker 1: When the releasing process is complete, nanosilver or colloidal silver

865
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:50,439
Speaker 1: can be sprayed over the open wound. Do not cover

866
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 1: an opening with compound that is releasing pus or toxins.

867
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 1: So that's good. I you see what they're doing there

868
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 1: is like, what's happening is that you've you're burning your

869
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 1: skin off and pus in all sorts of horrible things

870
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 1: are building up around it to try to protect this open,

871
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 1: burning wound and your body. And they're being like, no, no, no,

872
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 1: it's a releasing, it's a releasing of toxins. It's not

873
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 1: your body desperately trying to protect you from your own stupid,

874
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 1: like foolishness. Um. The only good thing about this is

875
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 1: that I guess spreading nano silver over a massive open

876
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 1: wound isn't the absolute worst thing you can do. But

877
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:35,280
Speaker 1: this is all just a bad idea, um, a horrible idea.

878
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 1: So two Feathers goes on to advise, Yeah, it's just crazy. Yeah,

879
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:49,439
Speaker 1: it's I think the first question they must ask any

880
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 1: of these people are like, did you quit school or

881
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:55,360
Speaker 1: did you stop paying attention in uh in science class

882
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 1: around fifth or sixth grade? And if they're like yes,

883
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 1: they're like come in, come on in. It seems to

884
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 1: be like a basic misunderstanding of basic science. Yeah, I

885
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 1: think it's and I think it's not a misunderstanding. I

886
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 1: think it's that a lot of people have like a

887
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 1: deeply inbred hatred of if not all science, then medical

888
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 1: science because of the things they read and the communities

889
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 1: they're raised in. And when there is no when you

890
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 1: you don't trust science, you only trust individuals who have

891
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:31,839
Speaker 1: convinced you their healers. Like those individuals can can get

892
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 1: you to buy into an awful lot of terrible things.

893
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 1: I think that really is where at all it all,

894
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: like all almost all of our modern problems that were

895
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 1: like all terrified with right now, from the reason people

896
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:47,760
Speaker 1: aren't taking the coronavirus things seriously to fucking incipient fascism,

897
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 1: like they all come from this root of the fact

898
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 1: that there's no shared acceptance of reality anymore amongst a

899
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 1: large chunk of the population. And that's also kind of

900
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 1: where this comes from. It is just like this this

901
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 1: stuff takes root in a community of people who have

902
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 1: stopped believing in a baseline level of the reality the

903
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:09,919
Speaker 1: rest of us believe in. Yeah, and on top of that,

904
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 1: schools stop teaching, thank you, And maybe I shouldn't have

905
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:20,879
Speaker 1: stopped that, And we're now we're in a society that

906
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 1: requires constant critical thinking to see what the truth is

907
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 1: and people aren't trained to do that. Yep. So Two

908
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 1: Feathers goes on to advise its users that their black

909
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:37,440
Speaker 1: Save may be used with a toothbrush for healthy teeth

910
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:42,320
Speaker 1: and gums. I can't. It's like, it's like two guys

911
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 1: being like, let's see how far we can get people

912
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:48,400
Speaker 1: to do this. What things can we convince them to burn?

913
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 1: Before the FDA came after Two Feathers in two thousand five,

914
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 1: they even hosted testimonials on their website where people would

915
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:58,879
Speaker 1: tout the efficacy of black sav at treating basil carcinoma,

916
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 1: which you may recall is the cancer that only metastasizes

917
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:04,839
Speaker 1: if you put something like black Save on it um

918
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 1: or not only, but is unlikely to unless. So you

919
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 1: can currently find Two Feathers healing formula all over Facebook.

920
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 1: So the FDA coming after them once again did not

921
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 1: stop them from doing their thing. It just cut down

922
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 1: on how they could advertise it. One page with the

923
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 1: misspelled name two Feathers Healing Formals Formulas has more than

924
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:29,760
Speaker 1: six hundred followers. Another page I found held an interview

925
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 1: with Robert Roy, who apparently runs the company. Roy claims

926
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:35,799
Speaker 1: to have treated more than sixty five thousand people with

927
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 1: his salve to date. The two Feathers website also has

928
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 1: links to a book, ha I Laugh in the Face

929
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 1: of Cancer by Susan Liberty Hall. I love the fucking

930
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:53,320
Speaker 1: names man, Susan Liberty Hall. I don't. The Buddhist in

931
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 1: me is like, you better stop cancer. Yeah. Yes, Susan

932
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:01,880
Speaker 1: Liberty Hall will teach you how to liberate your nose

933
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 1: from your face. Um. And, by the way, Susan Liberty

934
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:07,320
Speaker 1: Hall's book, How I Laugh in the Face of Cancer

935
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 1: is still available on Amazon dot Com as of the

936
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:14,920
Speaker 1: publication of this episode. Yeah, and Jeff Ross's grossed Cancer

937
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 1: Away is gonna be I mean that's just good sense.

938
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 1: You can burn cancer. I can cure anybody's metastasized cancer

939
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 1: with enough fire. There are additional consequences to the fire,

940
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 1: but the cancer will be dealt with. You know, some

941
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 1: side effects, Yeah, did he die of first degree burns? Yes?

942
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 1: Did he die of cancer? No? Nope? And you know what,

943
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 1: that cancer not growing no more. Didn't need to use

944
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:48,719
Speaker 1: any chemo. So if you have any available on your

945
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 1: way out, yeah, you can send me right now for

946
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:56,880
Speaker 1: a copy of my new book, Treat Your Cancer with

947
00:56:56,920 --> 00:57:02,200
Speaker 1: a Bonfire. There's one step jump in that bonfire, right, well,

948
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:05,240
Speaker 1: you gotta make the bonfire. But yeah, okay, two steps. Sorry,

949
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 1: you're right, billy. And it's pretty handy too, because you

950
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 1: have books with scary knowledge, you can also get rid

951
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 1: of them in the same part if the FDA actually

952
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 1: does something about our treat people's cancer with Bonfire's plan.

953
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 1: So as dumb as all of this black sav nonsense seems,

954
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 1: we do live in a country where cancer forces roughly

955
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 1: fort of people who get it to exhaust their entire

956
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 1: life savings paying to treat it. And with the stakes

957
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 1: that high, and trust in the medical establishment and any

958
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 1: kind of establishment so low, it's no wonder that people

959
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 1: prefer burning themselves to death to going broke using real medicine.

960
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 1: And I guess this isn't so surprising in the hell

961
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 1: world that we Americans have decided to live in for

962
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 1: some reason. But outside of the US, in the lands

963
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 1: where medicine is socialized, black save is still really fucking popular.

964
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 1: It is particularly well loved in Australia, despite being very

965
00:57:57,080 --> 00:58:00,680
Speaker 1: much illegal there. And this brings me to the unfortunate

966
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 1: story of Helen Lawson. And this is not you and

967
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 1: I's first story of a woman dying horribly in Australia

968
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 1: due to a quack doctor um and it will not

969
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 1: be the last. Billy are you? Are you ready for

970
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 1: this fun tale? Sure, good, good man? All right? So

971
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 1: Helen Lawson was not, on paper, the sort of person

972
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 1: you'd expect to fall for a grift like this. She

973
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 1: was an e R nurse and a competition cyclist. But

974
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 1: in January of two thousand seventeen, she found a lump

975
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:31,560
Speaker 1: on her pelvis. Unfortunately, Helen chose to ignore it and

976
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 1: hope for the best. By October of that year, it

977
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 1: had spread to her ovaries, so now she had ovarian cancer.

978
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 1: She was booked for surgery to remove it, but at

979
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:42,960
Speaker 1: the very last minute she canceled her appointment. The reason

980
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 1: she canceled this appointment to get an actual doctor to

981
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:49,959
Speaker 1: remove her cancer was that a natural medicine practitioner named

982
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:53,440
Speaker 1: Dennis Wayne Jensen had gotten his hooks in her. Helen

983
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 1: had gone to him after getting diagnosed, and he'd convinced

984
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:59,520
Speaker 1: her that the surgery would do nothing to help her. Fortunately,

985
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 1: Jin had already cured his own brain cancer and the

986
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 1: cancers of hundreds of other patients, and he was able

987
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 1: to assure Helen that he knew what she needed. Black Salve.

988
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 1: It's weird that you can't trust with the middle named Wayne. No,

989
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:20,439
Speaker 1: it is. It is that never happens. I will say.

990
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 1: One of the key things to note if you're trying

991
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:25,440
Speaker 1: to avoid grifters is anyone who says a variation of

992
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 1: the phrase cured my own brain and then blank, probably

993
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 1: something you have to back away from. Brain go on, okay,

994
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 1: then so um yeah yeah. Now. Helen's romantic partner of

995
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 1: twenty one years, Belenda Davis uh, claims that she was

996
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 1: kind of, uh really really skeptical of Jensen from the beginning,

997
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 1: and she later recalled this to the Age quote. She said,

998
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 1: Jensen said, the surgery is not going to work, and

999
00:59:57,560 --> 00:59:59,520
Speaker 1: I'm just a number to them, and the Black Save

1000
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 1: will draw the cancer, and the Black Save will do

1001
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 1: what the surgeons can't. I had a huge fight with her.

1002
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 1: I was just saying, this is insane. Give yourself a chance,

1003
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:11,600
Speaker 1: for God's sake, just give yourself a chance. And uh yeah.

1004
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:14,760
Speaker 1: The the the argument that this fake doctor was making, which

1005
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:18,440
Speaker 1: was that real doctors wouldn't treat her well and that

1006
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:20,920
Speaker 1: the cancer the black sav would would would draw out

1007
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 1: the cancer anyway, that that worked. And for weeks Belinda

1008
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 1: would drive her partner to Jensen's home outside of Melbourne

1009
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 1: and watches he put his hands on the gigantic sore

1010
01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:32,600
Speaker 1: left on her belly by the black salve, which ate

1011
01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 1: away at her flesh every single day. Quote, he put

1012
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:37,680
Speaker 1: his hands on her stomach and he would breathe out

1013
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:39,680
Speaker 1: like he was trying to blow away to cancer, telling

1014
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:41,400
Speaker 1: us that the cancer was gone and there was only

1015
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 1: a tiny bit still there. Belinda SAIDs and here she

1016
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 1: was so swollen and distended and just unbelievably ill. So

1017
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:52,280
Speaker 1: Jensen eventually had his patient applied black save all over

1018
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 1: her stomach, rotting the skin away and covering her belly

1019
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:57,840
Speaker 1: and the top part of her groin and what looked

1020
01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:01,320
Speaker 1: like third degree burns. It is impossible to say for

1021
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:04,760
Speaker 1: sure if surgery would have saved Helen's life, but we

1022
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:06,959
Speaker 1: can say to a point of certainty that black SAV

1023
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:09,920
Speaker 1: did not, and because of Jensen's treatment, Helen spent the

1024
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:13,640
Speaker 1: last month of her life rotting away in unspeakable agony.

1025
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:17,360
Speaker 1: And in the true tradition of bullshit medical scam artists

1026
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:19,920
Speaker 1: the world over, Jensen refused he even pretend to have

1027
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:24,760
Speaker 1: learned a lesson from this tragedy from the age quote. Jensen, however,

1028
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:27,440
Speaker 1: insists that black SAV works and is not an improved

1029
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 1: mainstream treatment because pharmaceutical companies can't make any money off

1030
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:33,439
Speaker 1: of it. They don't want black SAV on the market

1031
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:35,720
Speaker 1: because it cares cancer, he said. In an interview with

1032
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:40,440
Speaker 1: Fairfax Media on Monday, the self proclaimed healer said he

1033
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:42,720
Speaker 1: recently cared a man of terminal cancer in his neck

1034
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:45,920
Speaker 1: and had also healed a woman's ovaries. Actually put my

1035
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:47,840
Speaker 1: hand on her tully over the obaries, and I was

1036
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:50,080
Speaker 1: able to heal the ovaries so she could have a baby,

1037
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:52,560
Speaker 1: he said. He also said that he did not charge

1038
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:55,080
Speaker 1: for his services or ask for money, a claim disputed

1039
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:57,360
Speaker 1: by Belinda, who said he made it clear he expected

1040
01:01:57,360 --> 01:02:02,560
Speaker 1: a donation once Helen recovered. So I'm angry at a

1041
01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:05,720
Speaker 1: lot here. I'm angry at this guy Jensen for torturing

1042
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:08,400
Speaker 1: a sick woman to death. I'm agree at those newspapers

1043
01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:11,400
Speaker 1: for just like running those quotes of his, Like I'm

1044
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:14,080
Speaker 1: sure they thought that it would sound silly enough that

1045
01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:16,480
Speaker 1: people would would get that he was, but they don't.

1046
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:19,480
Speaker 1: And you shouldn't. You shouldn't just let him talk like

1047
01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:26,200
Speaker 1: that without you shouldn't know, you shouldn't. And so it's

1048
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:30,400
Speaker 1: it's wild to me, and I think it just kind

1049
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:34,120
Speaker 1: of shows like what where our brains go when we're

1050
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:41,400
Speaker 1: fighting for our lives that a registered nurse and a

1051
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:46,160
Speaker 1: competitive cyclist like like those people are very aware of

1052
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:49,240
Speaker 1: their bodies and to be like nah, no, I mean

1053
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:54,480
Speaker 1: it's also that putting away. It sounds like she was

1054
01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:56,120
Speaker 1: like I think I know what this is and I'm

1055
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 1: just gonna ignore it. Yeah, it does sound like she

1056
01:02:59,880 --> 01:03:03,720
Speaker 1: was like in denial about what she had and was like,

1057
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:09,240
Speaker 1: if I don't treat this normal, it's not really happening. Yeah,

1058
01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:12,880
Speaker 1: And I'm sure there's some aspect of that, and like, yeah,

1059
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:17,160
Speaker 1: it's yeah, it's just a sad story and a really

1060
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:21,600
Speaker 1: infuriating story, and it's a story where the bad guy

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01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:26,640
Speaker 1: in it uh, only gets the kind of minimal consequences

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01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:28,400
Speaker 1: that I think we've come to expect from these guys.

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01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:31,280
Speaker 1: And the wake of Helen's death, Jensen was temporarily forbidden

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01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:33,600
Speaker 1: from seeing any patients in August if he has an

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01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:36,720
Speaker 1: eighteen that was expanded to an indefinite prohibition against providing

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01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:40,560
Speaker 1: any medical advice or treatment. Um, I'm sure he's being

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01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:42,840
Speaker 1: more careful now, but I am a hundred percent sure

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01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:45,640
Speaker 1: he is still giving medical advice for money to some

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01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:50,040
Speaker 1: groups of people. Yeah, yeah, that's just what these people do.

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01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:53,400
Speaker 1: You unless you lock this kind of person away, like

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01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:56,080
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. There there's a tiny chunk of people who

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01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:59,680
Speaker 1: actually do need to be restricted from being around other people.

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01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:03,000
Speaker 1: And I don't think drug dealers and robbers, and I

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01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:05,520
Speaker 1: don't think most people who go to prison are but

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01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:07,800
Speaker 1: this kind of person. And it's the same kind of

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01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:11,760
Speaker 1: person Paul Maniford is. He's just not as smart or successful. Um.

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01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:15,120
Speaker 1: Where they will poison the people around them one way

1078
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:18,080
Speaker 1: or another, no matter what happens. If they are allowed

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01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:21,920
Speaker 1: to circulate in society, they will. They are incapable of

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01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:25,480
Speaker 1: doing anything but poisoning the people around them. Well, it's there.

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01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:29,640
Speaker 1: It's like a pure sociopath. Not necessarily a psychopath, but

1082
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:33,680
Speaker 1: like a sociopath. You're right, they need to be removed

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01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:38,880
Speaker 1: from society because they just keep you know. It's it's

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01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:42,280
Speaker 1: it's something because there's a lot of there's a lot

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01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:46,080
Speaker 1: of sociopaths who are perfectly capable of existing in society

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01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:51,400
Speaker 1: and not hurting people. Um, it's something. Yeah, there's something

1087
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:53,600
Speaker 1: about this need. It's like we talked about with with

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01:04:53,640 --> 01:04:58,080
Speaker 1: Old tree Head. Um are are essential oils doctor? This

1089
01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:02,480
Speaker 1: need to be seen as a doctor without actually learning

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01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:06,320
Speaker 1: anything about it. This like desire to practice medicine. That

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01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:08,600
Speaker 1: seems to be the most important thing to them, even

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01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:12,840
Speaker 1: above making money. Is they want to make medicine. I

1093
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:16,600
Speaker 1: don't describe what this is. It just hint me. Like

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01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:20,680
Speaker 1: I've especially in Hollywood, you deal with people that have

1095
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:23,960
Speaker 1: like inherited a ton of money, so now they want

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01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:27,880
Speaker 1: to be in this business person whatever. And they'll come

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01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:30,680
Speaker 1: in and be like I'm a producer on this and

1098
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:32,360
Speaker 1: you're like, no, you're just a guy with a lot

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01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:36,480
Speaker 1: of money, and they're like their whole thing is like

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01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:41,040
Speaker 1: if you point out that they don't know what they're doing,

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01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:46,600
Speaker 1: that's that'll route that makes them matter than not knowing

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01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:51,920
Speaker 1: what they're doing, because pointed out that this part, like

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01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:55,320
Speaker 1: their whole show, is like I just I need everyone

1104
01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:59,040
Speaker 1: to tell me on this thing. And if you tell

1105
01:05:59,080 --> 01:06:02,479
Speaker 1: me I'm not this thing, fuck, I don't care about

1106
01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:04,960
Speaker 1: the results going around me that the truth is, I'm

1107
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:08,720
Speaker 1: not this thing. I just need to feel and have

1108
01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:13,680
Speaker 1: this illusion that I'm a doctor or whatever, and I

1109
01:06:13,720 --> 01:06:16,920
Speaker 1: will never stop no matter any facts or results. I'll

1110
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:21,560
Speaker 1: just keep going. Yeah, that is my whole thing and

1111
01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:26,880
Speaker 1: it's awesome. So there's no upside to this story, Billy.

1112
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:28,680
Speaker 1: But to make it a little bit more palatable, I

1113
01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:31,320
Speaker 1: do have a picture of Jensen, and it is might

1114
01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:33,520
Speaker 1: be the only one of him, I guess because it's

1115
01:06:33,560 --> 01:06:36,600
Speaker 1: the picture that every single news article uses of him. Sophie,

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01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:39,600
Speaker 1: can you send it? And it's It is not the

1117
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:42,400
Speaker 1: kind of picture you normally see used as the picture

1118
01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:45,040
Speaker 1: for somebody in an article, which is why I think

1119
01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:46,960
Speaker 1: it might just be one of the only ones they have.

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01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:49,560
Speaker 1: It looks like the photo he took when he was

1121
01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:52,160
Speaker 1: like he had to take a photo for Skype and

1122
01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:55,680
Speaker 1: he just used his phone to click a shot of himself. Um,

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01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:59,160
Speaker 1: let me know when you get it. Oh wow, just

1124
01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:05,160
Speaker 1: think that's pretty great, right, Like, it looks like he

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01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:07,240
Speaker 1: took a picture of himself in the middle of like

1126
01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:10,760
Speaker 1: looking for sasquatch. He's this like bearded guy clearly in

1127
01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:13,480
Speaker 1: the woods taking a blurry picture of half of his

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01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:16,840
Speaker 1: face with a cell phone. Yeah, it's like he just

1129
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:18,720
Speaker 1: got his phone and he's trying to figure out what

1130
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:21,240
Speaker 1: it does. It looks like it was taken on a

1131
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:25,480
Speaker 1: razor phone. Yeah. And that is the photo of record

1132
01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:27,560
Speaker 1: for this man when he has covered in the news,

1133
01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:30,720
Speaker 1: which I do think is a good call. I think

1134
01:07:30,720 --> 01:07:33,360
Speaker 1: he's very I think he's way smarter than he's letting on.

1135
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:37,680
Speaker 1: So Black Save is still available all over the internet.

1136
01:07:37,720 --> 01:07:39,760
Speaker 1: You can you can't buy it on Amazon, but you

1137
01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:42,400
Speaker 1: can buy it from Alpha Omega and from two Rivers.

1138
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:45,360
Speaker 1: Amazon does, however, sell books that teach you how to

1139
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:46,920
Speaker 1: use it and make it. And of course, there are

1140
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:49,920
Speaker 1: numerous Facebook groups, closed and open, where rubes advise each

1141
01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:52,560
Speaker 1: other on the best ways to permanently scar themselves and

1142
01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:56,760
Speaker 1: metastasize their carcinomas. And as for Dennis Wayne Jensen, he's

1143
01:07:56,760 --> 01:07:59,480
Speaker 1: still forbidden from pretending to be a doctor. But don't

1144
01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:02,520
Speaker 1: you worry. By late two thousand eighteen, he'd moved on

1145
01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:05,840
Speaker 1: to getting in trouble, from impersonating a doctor to impersonating

1146
01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:11,840
Speaker 1: a lawyer. So he's he's he's he's still rolling right along,

1147
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:13,760
Speaker 1: and I have a feeling we'll be hearing from him

1148
01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:17,800
Speaker 1: more in the future without a doubt. Yeah. Yeah, he

1149
01:08:18,040 --> 01:08:23,840
Speaker 1: sounds like somebody's probably represent Carol Baskins or something. Yeah.

1150
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:26,759
Speaker 1: I think he's still looking for his real big grift

1151
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:29,840
Speaker 1: that justifies the whole episode. But I I have faith

1152
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:37,439
Speaker 1: in in him, Yeah, because they're not quitters. He doesn't. Yeah,

1153
01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:39,360
Speaker 1: and he does a little bit more, and he will

1154
01:08:39,400 --> 01:08:42,280
Speaker 1: be this podcast number two person with Wayne as a

1155
01:08:42,320 --> 01:08:48,320
Speaker 1: middle name. Ah mm hmm. I mean I've lived that

1156
01:08:48,439 --> 01:08:53,599
Speaker 1: my whole life. You're learning healing. Yeah, it's the three

1157
01:08:53,680 --> 01:09:02,720
Speaker 1: names thing. That's me so billy. Yeah, how are you

1158
01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:05,920
Speaker 1: feeling today? I mean this one was. Some of them

1159
01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:08,120
Speaker 1: are funnier, but this one was. I don't know why.

1160
01:09:08,240 --> 01:09:12,160
Speaker 1: I think it's because you can kind of understand why

1161
01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:17,320
Speaker 1: all these people keep doing this. Yes, well you mean

1162
01:09:17,320 --> 01:09:20,479
Speaker 1: that people who keep burning themselves, Yes, not the people

1163
01:09:20,479 --> 01:09:23,519
Speaker 1: that sail it. No, I don't. I can't. I can't

1164
01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:26,080
Speaker 1: keep behind. I mean I understand money, but this is

1165
01:09:26,120 --> 01:09:28,040
Speaker 1: more than money because some of them aren't making that

1166
01:09:28,160 --> 01:09:33,280
Speaker 1: much money at it. Yeah, but I understand that. Like

1167
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:36,240
Speaker 1: in the beginning, I was like, how are these dummies?

1168
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:39,240
Speaker 1: How could you ever get fooled like this? But then

1169
01:09:39,320 --> 01:09:43,360
Speaker 1: you just think you're just like you don't want it

1170
01:09:43,400 --> 01:09:47,280
Speaker 1: to be true. What's happening to you and the reality

1171
01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:50,719
Speaker 1: of like, well, I'm want to try all this before

1172
01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:56,520
Speaker 1: spending all my family's money. Yeah, Like cancer treatment generally

1173
01:09:56,600 --> 01:10:00,559
Speaker 1: sucks and is unpleasant, and it's also expensive. And if

1174
01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:03,760
Speaker 1: you can give yourself a treatment that feels like maybe

1175
01:10:03,800 --> 01:10:06,680
Speaker 1: it's working because it also sucks and is unpleasant, but

1176
01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:11,840
Speaker 1: it's cheaper. I yeah, you know, I I get white

1177
01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:15,160
Speaker 1: people make that call, even though it's objectively the wrong

1178
01:10:15,240 --> 01:10:18,240
Speaker 1: call and bad and like dumb, not in like the

1179
01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:21,120
Speaker 1: flippant sense of like being insulting, but just like, no,

1180
01:10:21,240 --> 01:10:23,720
Speaker 1: this is a horrible idea and a bad thing to

1181
01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:27,080
Speaker 1: do to yourself. But we all it's it's like an

1182
01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:31,040
Speaker 1: extension of I'm sure everybody and this happens more as

1183
01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:33,360
Speaker 1: you get older, has like weird little things they notice

1184
01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:35,960
Speaker 1: about their body that you're like probably out of talk

1185
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:40,200
Speaker 1: to a doctor about that. Huh, Like there's a there's

1186
01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:47,040
Speaker 1: a germ of that in all of us. Um. But yeah,

1187
01:10:47,080 --> 01:10:52,320
Speaker 1: boy hattie, Well it's because it's it's you're you've gotten.

1188
01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:57,479
Speaker 1: They're taking advantage of people with the death sense, which

1189
01:10:57,560 --> 01:11:00,640
Speaker 1: is the hardest part for me. Yeah, but like the

1190
01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:03,720
Speaker 1: essential oils and all that stuff, Like it's just some

1191
01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:06,400
Speaker 1: of its people being vain something, you know what I mean.

1192
01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:09,200
Speaker 1: So they're taking advantage of that part of human But

1193
01:11:09,320 --> 01:11:12,960
Speaker 1: this is like people who are like, you're gonna die

1194
01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:17,680
Speaker 1: if you don't do something, and this is like that's

1195
01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:22,400
Speaker 1: for whatever reason for me, that's like it's super fucked up. Yeah,

1196
01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:26,559
Speaker 1: like almost rather you go, you're selling one bullet to

1197
01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:31,160
Speaker 1: these people, you know what I mean? Yeah, it's it's

1198
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:37,519
Speaker 1: m speaking of selling a single bullet, Billy. Do you

1199
01:11:37,560 --> 01:11:40,920
Speaker 1: have any things you'd like to plug? I do. I've

1200
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:45,920
Speaker 1: been working on a cannabis podcast called Grown Local that

1201
01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:50,080
Speaker 1: is about the people and communities and not like you know,

1202
01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:52,519
Speaker 1: like the business part of it. It's like the people

1203
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:56,000
Speaker 1: have been growing it and the community it makes up,

1204
01:11:56,960 --> 01:11:59,559
Speaker 1: uh in these different The first the first place we

1205
01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:02,679
Speaker 1: go to is Eugene, Oregon, and it's coming out April

1206
01:12:04,520 --> 01:12:10,679
Speaker 1: which is pretty significant for we because it's Hitler's birthday.

1207
01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:14,759
Speaker 1: But it is and Hitler Hitler was a famous medical

1208
01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:17,200
Speaker 1: marijuana advoct. He loved it, he loved it. He was

1209
01:12:17,479 --> 01:12:20,160
Speaker 1: hyped up on math. Then just come right down, you know.

1210
01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:25,080
Speaker 1: Ye kind of thinking process. That's why I did make

1211
01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:30,720
Speaker 1: a mistakes, um, and that's yeah, famously, that's all. I've

1212
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:33,400
Speaker 1: always loved that four twenty thing when people like you

1213
01:12:33,479 --> 01:12:36,000
Speaker 1: can to celebrate for twenty and then other people are

1214
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:39,200
Speaker 1: like Hitler's birthday, and right, that is that's pretty funny.

1215
01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:45,200
Speaker 1: That is the day. Yeah. Well, well, you know what

1216
01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:50,360
Speaker 1: isn't Hitler's birthday is my presence on Twitter. You can

1217
01:12:50,360 --> 01:12:52,760
Speaker 1: find me there at I right, Okay, you can find

1218
01:12:52,760 --> 01:12:55,920
Speaker 1: this podcast in its sources behind the Bastards dot com.

1219
01:12:56,040 --> 01:12:57,920
Speaker 1: You can find us on t public, where you can

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01:12:57,960 --> 01:13:01,479
Speaker 1: buy shirts that are absolutely imp regnated with both nano

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01:13:01,560 --> 01:13:05,360
Speaker 1: silver and acid that only burns your cancer. So if

1222
01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:07,280
Speaker 1: you put on one of our shirts and it burns

1223
01:13:07,280 --> 01:13:10,160
Speaker 1: your skin away, all of that skin was cancer and

1224
01:13:10,200 --> 01:13:15,200
Speaker 1: you need to send us an extra ye. You can

1225
01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:18,879
Speaker 1: also find our sources by scrolling down under the episode

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01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:24,120
Speaker 1: description on all your apps. Yeah, you sure can there's

1227
01:13:24,160 --> 01:13:27,080
Speaker 1: tons of ways to find our sources, and there's tons

1228
01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:31,120
Speaker 1: of ways for you to stay sane well enduring the pandemic.

1229
01:13:31,439 --> 01:13:34,720
Speaker 1: But the only real way is by listening to the

1230
01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:39,680
Speaker 1: podcast that I produce, which are all medically guaranteed to

1231
01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:44,000
Speaker 1: keep you mentally. I don't know this bit. Robert is

1232
01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:46,960
Speaker 1: actually saying, it's over for this podcast. Wisten to worst

1233
01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:50,519
Speaker 1: you ever listen to the Women's War and um listen

1234
01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:52,960
Speaker 1: to Billy zero New Cannabis podcast when it when it

1235
01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:54,640
Speaker 1: comes out. That's what he was saying. That's really what

1236
01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:59,679
Speaker 1: you met, right, Robert, podcasts will say this and nothing

1237
01:13:59,720 --> 01:14:11,760
Speaker 1: else will. Now the episode is over. Fine, h m

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01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:12,080
Speaker 1: hm